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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Hut Media.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to another episode of Behind the Shadows. I'm your
host Harvigien aka Guillermo de la Cruse, the show where
we talk about all things Shadows with the cast, crew
and celebrity friends. Today's guest is the one, the only
miRNA Cabello who plays Guilletro Lacruz mom. On today's episode,
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we will read a letter from Guilletromo's mom to her
loving son and how important it is to support your
loved ones no matter who they are. Stay tuned. I'm
behind the Shadows.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Breathing this soul bewhelming heart by sars to tell me
why would anyone want to be alive?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Does might have a reputation before she arrives, but trust me.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We have way more.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Finally have the line a way off on the line.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh my gosh. Well we are back and I'm so
excited for today's guests because it is long overdue. It's
the one, the Onlyrna Gabo, So for the fans out there,
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we're putting this together. Actually, Myrna has played my mom
on What We Do in the Shadows for the last
couple of seasons, and this week's episode was very emotional
and very sweet and such a great just a great
introduction to what the life of the home feels like,
and with his family and with his aunt and cousin
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coming to visit, and and sometimes what we do is
we pretend to live a certain life because you want
to impress our family, and sometimes we're not honest with
our family. So this week's episode was very much that.
But before we get into that, I want to talk
about how was the process to auditioning for my mother Lacrouse.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, it was amazing. I
got the call to come into audition and they were saying,
you know, improv and stuff, and I love improv.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
So I was like, oh, this is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And I'd watched all the shows and so I was
super excited went in and.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yeah, I just didn't you know.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I tried to just like let go and like, I know,
you guys use the cameras and stuff, so it's trying
to be in the moment and here I am. It worked.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It worked.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It works to let go sometimes, right and just be
like I'm just let it be exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And the idea that I love your approach to playing
my mom from day one. If you recall the episode
where we meet Gimo's mom, is really sweet when he
goes back to live with her when he leaves the
household and she's in the kitchen and she's makinglos and
making you know, and she's making noise with the fridge
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as well because it's been acting up. And I just
love that we got to improvise that scene a little
bit and it was so organic to what it felt
like it would have felt me talking to my mom
and my Mexican household. And it was important to me
that the role of my mom feels authentic as possible,
you know, and and and and being that you know,
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uh and Marna, when you want to tell everyone a
little bit about yourself, your background, where you come from
and all of.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
That, well, I am originally from ostinthe Has and I'm
from Mexican immigrant parents. So I'm like really proud of that.
And I started acting, I mean since little Eddie Baty
doing school plays and stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So you know, you sing, You're beautiful, You have a
beautiful voice. Voice very much.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yes, my husband and I are singer songwriters together, so
we have a little our little duo that we do
Martin and the Bulldog. But yeah, so we have a
lot of fun with that, and it kind of you know,
ties in with the same thing performing, right, you perform,
It's all the same, right. But yeah, So my background is,
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you know, and I did a lot of theater. I
did a lot of I didn't really do TV or
anything until college. And that's when I decided. I had
a theater teacher tell me. He was like, you know,
I think you're more of a TV actor. And I
was like, oh, but I wasn't quite sure what that was,
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you know at the time, back in the day before
all the social media and everything. But so I ventured
into it, got an agent, and then just started uh
during college, and just yeah, it's been fair. I have
to say, being bilingual has helped me so much, so much.
I thank my parents for that every you know, every day.
It's like being able to speak two languages is just
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so amazing, and I know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'm so grateful. You're right, Like we have similar you know,
my parents are Mexican immigrants as well, and we live
in California, and I remember I was very adamant about
having my mom be played by an actress with Mexican descent,
Like I was just like, it's very important that I
feel that, you know, And I remember telling that to
Paul Sims and and him being open and listening to that,
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and because you could easily you know, sometimes Hollywood likes
to categorize Latine people into one category. Is like, yeah,
she's you know, she's she could be your mom, she's
a Mexican mom. Yeah, And I was like, well, she's subbulterranean,
I mean, still under the umbrella of you know, Latina
and whatnot, but different culture. Even the idea of like
the Bunuelos was the topic of conversation.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
I remember that. Yeah, yes, I remember that. I do.
I remember that.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
And you're saying and you and I came up. Was
so cool because I like came on set and you
were like these are not Mexican bove.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
And I was like, you're right.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
And immediately it was that connection and we're like, oh,
so cool. The authenticity that you like, you like want
it and that you you know, you got.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, And to be with the crew and creative team
that's open to that idea, to you know, to listen
to how representation does matter and the idea that you know,
not just only as you know, Latina characters, but as
Latina people who represent the culture, and and we want
to be seen in a certain light. How important do
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you think it is for that representation to to come through.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I think it's extremely important. You can't lump you know that.
You said it perfectly when you want to have an umbrella.
But I think that if you have the opportunity to
do that, I think it just makes it richer. Then
you have a little details of every culture that can
come out, you know, and then it's just for people
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to understand. Also, I mean because the media, you know,
people learn from that and learning the difference is I
think it's beautiful. It's like learning all these things about
different cultures.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And then for me as.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
An actor, having that, you know, that authenticity even more so, I.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Feel so at home, you know. I was like, yeah,
this feels good.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, And it's nice to like really be able to
voice that because I think for so long we're taught,
you know, to be grateful for a job and whatnot,
and we are and we're very hard working, but it's
also good to speak up and say, you know, hey,
this might be I don't think that's the right, you know,
or because you'd be surprised how many people come up
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to me like at different like cons or whatnot, and
they say that scene are seen together as as you know,
as son and mother that they say that's seen with
your mom. I cried and I was like, whoh my gosh,
why it's like because I felt like it was the
first time I saw like myself on screen. I could
be having that dialogue with my mom in the kitchen
and that's rarely done. Like it's really like a natural,
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organic just like dialogue happening. And thelos they bring up
the buelows a lot, and I keep thinking what if
I didn't speak up? What if I did? If I
gave up? And I was like, oh, well, whatever they
picked is fine, and someone would have noticed. Someone said
those aren't Mexican w uellos.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It takes you out. It takes you out of the
of what it does. We want to present it being
authentic and real, and it does take you out. And
that's unfortunate because there would have been a moment to
make it right and we did. I feel like we did.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yes, I know you did. You were like gangbusters. I
was like, you go, yeah, I'm totally behind them, But
you're right. It's when you bring up like, you know,
the whole inclusion. When you see that and you feel
like somebody cared enough to like do that, you know,
it's very special.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
It's thinking me like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It is special, Yeah, it is special. We're doing This
episode was even more special, I feel because of what's
happening with Guillermo. And so this episode this week, you know,
invites his mom and his family over for dinner and
pretends to live in this house which is the mansion
and they live in because he thinks that everyone's out
of town and unfortunately for him, Naja is still there.
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And we find out that at the last minute, he's
putting on this persona of of of more success than
he is and and uh and aspirational living where he's
wearing Versace you know shirts uh, and then the jeans,
the couture jeans, and the and the Louis Vuitton shoes,
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like he's putting on this whole because at this point
I started embezzling money from the club. And at this point,
because he was realized that he's committed himself to a
job for thirteen years that has never promoted him, has
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never seen him in a different light than a servant,
and he's starting to feel that he has to take
matters into his own hands, and he does. He's not
I always justifies because a question I had with the
creative team, I was like, I don't want to feel
like I'm stealing, you know, and it's like, well, you
know you're thinking about it. You're like, you're not stealing,
You're taking what's rightfully you've earned, Like you've earned this,
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you worked for this, but you just never got paid.
He doesn't get paid. So after thirteen years of service,
even with minimum wage, you would have gone something. Yeah,
So he's taking back matters into his own hands, and
it's so funny to find out that Naja is doing
the same, you know, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Weir, way more fun after light.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But the really sweet moment in the episode here was
when it's it's it's basically revealed that the family is
you know, vampire hunters. They're all you know. And that
was so cool to read because I always thought about, like,
you know, the family and the lineage of where did
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he get this from? Where did the van helsing side
come from? Which I think there's still more to tap
into with the family and I think we will, you know,
in the future. And but for this episode, it was
so nice to like see oh my gosh, even the grandma,
even the grandma I know rights, you know, like she's like.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
See I know. That was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And that scene where nausea finally is introduced and you
all send some things wrong and you're tingling and it's
getting warm and all that, and then you realize she's
a vampire and you chase her down the hallway and
I get in front of her and to save her life.
I finally finally come out. And what what was that
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like for you when you're playing my mom?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Oh my god, it was the most beautiful moment.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, and like I started to get tear oh yeah,
because it was you, my son, like you know, I
I love you, right, And it's just like seeing you
except who you are and feeling, you know, brave enough
to face the family and say this is.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
What I am.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, And that was just to me, such a wonderful
moment for your character, because you keep so much kidden
in the show, you know, all the time, all the episodes,
it's always like your year second, you're oh, your secondary
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and you accept that and you're okay with it because
you have aspirations and you feel that this is what
I'm supposed to do to get what I want and
not be able to voice your voice, and so it
was really special for me. It was really on so
many levels. And yeah, of course you executing it so beautifully.
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There's I mean, I didn't have to do anything except
look at your face.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Just look at your face.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It was like so emotional. It was such I remember
shooting that, you know, and then looking at each other
and I was like, oh, this is really heavy. Because
we are making a comedy. We'd love to have fun
and make jokes and that's all great, and we find
the lightness in a really serious situation. But for some reason,
that's coming out episode for Gimo was so I don't
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know that it felt just heavier to but also a
moment of breath, a moment of space, and a moment
of relief where you know what I'm saying, it's just
like this weight was taken off and and it was
just this beautiful moment and we still made it fun,
you know, we still made it fun. And I think
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it was was it Uh Frankie who says, uh, yeah,
it was just like you don't work at the railroad
something like that. It's just like or no or what
he says. He says, oh, yeah, we knew, like he's
like or something like that. He like brushed it off
and we went back to like, you know, and there
was this moment we all hug and and it's really great.
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But that's not always a story, you know, usually that
ends that way. Especially, I feel like in many different
cultures and coming out is a huge deal, and you know,
a reminder that there's no expiration date to come out,
there's no You must feel comfortable in your own skin
when the time is right, and then one should pressure you.
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Unfortunately for in this moment, it was it just shows
how much love you for his you know, for his housemates,
that he you were about to kill Natchet like you
were about to kill her, and that's what he used
to be to reflect off and be like stop stop,
he's not you know, she's not blah because I get
you know, and saying it out loud and that's made
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everything pause for a really quick moment. And having that
power and how deathri Manto was that moment that I
needed to share, that really big secret at that at
that time, you know, yes.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yes, and how you'd been holding it too, you know, yeah,
holding it for so long. Yeah, and just for you
you know you could see it in your face.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The way that you like did it was just like
and you know how we do several takes, yeah, you
know all the time. Each time was just so powerful.
It's just was so powerful.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I think we must have done at least I mean,
they were all like different for me, they felt right
every time we did it, but in a different form.
There were some that were more emotional. There was some
tickets that were like I ID the one take that
I was, I couldn't. I just couldn't stop sobbing, you know,
I just couldn't stop. And it was cathartic in a way,
just because it was releasing all of this like energy
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that has carried for his whole life. And I think
because he couldn't. It starts with something, right, You want
to be honest about everything, but it starts with being
honest about who you are, and in this episode was
the perfect epitome of definition of that. Like, he's not
he's pretending to be someone he's not, He's pretending to
be this guy in this outfit. He's trying to put
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smoke in mirrors and he's trying to say, I live
in the house. You can't be comfortable in the home
you're living until you're comfortable in the body that you're living.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
And in your own physical home.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, and that was what it was. He finally opened
the window and let it out and it was just
like so beautiful and such a release. And I love
with the character and the writers, and this is the
year that it happens. So it's official. You know, Gilledo
is gay and he's come out and yes, yay, live
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your truth, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
So that's beautiful for you know, it's just me because
I was I was relating to you, not just as
your your mom TV mom, but as a person, you know,
having you know, gay friends, having you know, having every
spectrum you know in my family. And then I actually
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had someone come out to me, which I was so
special because they felt they couldn't someone in my family.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
But I don't want to, you know, that's their story,
that's about mine.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
So I just I'm just saying that it was such
a beautiful moment for me because I was like, oh
my god, you're so loved you know. It's like, and
I feel so happy for you that you're able to celebrate,
you know, and that's how I felt for you. I
felt that moment too. It's like, what do they.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Always tell us You're enough?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You're enough, You're enough, You're enough.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Everything that you are my love, You're enough. And you know,
and you just present yourself to the world.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
That's so beautiful and that someone felt so comfortable and
sharing that and opening it with you. But you do,
you do give that aura when you're on set, not
only as your character obviously, you know, playing my mom
is beautiful and I couldn't imagine anyone else playing my mom.
And it's just that you do. You know, you you
have this energy about you that's very warm and welcoming.
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Makes people feel like they can be completely open and
themselves around you, which is why I love you know
when I meet new people and actors and and and
you did something that was so special that no other
actor has done on the show that I really loved,
actually was when you got to set to get into character,
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to build this foundation between us you gave me hadn't
written letters, and I have those letters still right here.
And and they're they're really beautiful, and they're detailed, and
they're in Spanish, and which I really love. And as
I was reading them, and I won't necessarily read them
all out loud, but they're very beautiful, and they're just
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very like well connected to what these characters are and
using words that like you know, like you know, like proud,
like being proud, uh to be your mom, you know,
you know, and then making proud of your grandmother. You
said that in here, and it's just like you know,
giving me like animal and like you know, encouragement and
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you know, and then saying the backstory that's in here,
which is really great. And so there was a time
where you know you fell ill. Do you remember that
you wrote that, you know, like it's like when you
were little and we felt ill. You would help out
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me and your dad. You know, I know it was
difficult for you, you know, as you he said, which
translates to I'm so embarrassed. I know you just got
here but.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
To help me out again, baby.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But you managed to incorporate like real tenderness, sweetness, humor
into a letter that you didn't have to do that,
you know, you didn't have to go to a set
and do that, and most people could easily be like, oh,
thanks whatever, But it really was great to read this
because it gave me a sense of a bigger connection
to you, you know, not just as miRNA as like
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the actress, but like as the person is playing my mom.
And I think it really kind of resonates on screen
and I and it's because of things most people will
go out of their way to do something like that.
So you know that I still have that letter.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That it warms my heart.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I know it just I travel, I packed it safely
and I brought it up. So yeah, thank you for
this in the fashion know how absolutely how great you are?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Absolutely? Oh right back at you, right back at you.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I mean everything that you've just said, I'm just going, well, hello,
it's like you we have.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Way off on me after line.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Being on set, you know, and like some people don't
realize sometimes you come on set. We didn't get to.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Meet before that first seat, like we just meant like
right before we started working, right and the stuff. So
we don't get to meet like weeks before or anything.
So to me, it was important to bring that connection
with you, to have that from the very beginning. But
for it to be authentic again. With the authentic there's
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authenticity and culture. There's authenticity also in feelings and love.
You know, I really wanted that to come through and
I thought about it, and that's when I was like,
you know what, I don't really know a lot of
the backstory about us, but I can create what I
believe happens and how I feel about you.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
And that's how the letter all started. And then I
was like, I want to tell you. At first, I
was like, should I give it too?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
I don't know because it was like one thing, you
know when you're just like is this to what what
should I do with?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Is it for me? Or is it?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And then I was like no, because once I met you,
you know, you're such a loving, giving person and so
so open too. You made me feel like from the
very beginning when I came on said, I was like,
you were like right there, you were open, you were
like talking to me like we were connected, you know.
So so that's when you brought me in about that again.
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You brought me into that. You could have you know,
other actors could have easily said like that's I'm you know,
doing this on my own. No, you brought me in
because you wanted me to be a part of it.
And that, to me, that's like that's like gold on
the set, you know, because once you can have that,
it's easy to make that connection and to feel comfortable.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
But yeah, and then I was like, yeah, he needs
to get the letter.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well, I'm glad you did give it to me because
it really wore and it did set me in a
different mind space and connection with the character. And it's uh,
you know, and it's it's great, and I try to
do that. I try to be, like you said, thank
you for those kind words. It's very nice, like to
be as open and welcoming to you know, anyone who
comes to our set. Uh, just because we're building something
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here together and it's you know, all of us are
in it together, and so if we can just connect
us out and we're making a comedy, you know what
I mean, we're having fun. Yeah, but it's so grounded
that it's it's like, you know, yes we have vampires,
and yes we have all these you know, characters and
creatures and whatnot, but the humans in the show have
to feel real and they have to feel authentic, and
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they have to feel grounded. And I feel when we
do see Guillermo and his mom. Those are real people
with real emotions and real heartbeats and real you know,
aspirations and desires. And you know, the vampires are great.
The vampires are great because they you know, they're eternal,
they can live forever, so they don't have any consequences
really to the actions and don't really waste too much
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time with the mushiness of you know, of it all.
But humans do we kind of like, especially if you
are a soft human who carries their feelings, you know,
under your hurting, your sleeves and all that. So it's
really important to see that and to see that represented
on television was really important to me altogether, not just
because of you know, the storyline of being Guillermo coming
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out and being gay, which is the whole premise of
this episode and for him and his story arc, but
also representation and the family that we see in the
Grandma and the talking and the conversing dinner. It's so
how fun was the family, you know, the family was
so great.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Oh my god, that was so cool to meet them
and then to have that whole dinner thing and that
it was incredible and playing off everybody just everybody's little personality.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
You know, it was so cool.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
It's so fun for everybody, and it was so like
it was I'm sorry, I was just gonna say it
was so greatly cast too, because you've got just like
in every family, you've got like oh that cousin.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah you know what, I know you got that, or like.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Oh yeah, she's the thea that does this, she's you know,
everybody can relate because if we are we're all the same.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
You know, it wouldn't play.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But also the badass family that that the slaves together,
you know, vampires.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Oh my god, the family that slays together to baby, Yes,
I know they were. They were so they were so
amazing the energy that and that was that was about
I felt so bad ass.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah during that scene, I.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Feel Yeah, every time I did the animal scene where
he does get to like fight into combat, I feel
so bad ass. I don't know what it is about it,
but you're like, yes, and it's powerful. And and also
this family walking down the street to go to the
park would look like any other Mexican family with the
picnic basket. But the fun part is like you have
no idea, you have no idea who this magical family is.
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And and I love that because we're not assuming and
we're teaching don't don't. Don't judge a book by its.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Cover, you know, just by like absolutely, don't do it.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Don't you'll regret it.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Do.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Like, I know, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Growing up, you know, I like, I didn't see a
lot of you know, inspirations and American television anyways. Who
are some of your acting inspirations growing up that you
could see yourself or relate to at least.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Oh my gosh, Well of course you've got you know, hello,
you know that's like she's she's such a groundbreaker, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And I just got to meet her. Yeah, I'm just
going to meet her because she did Kell's show one
day at time, Yes, yes, yeah, and it was just
mind blowing. I was like, oh my gosh, I was like,
I mean, I'm a fan of Westside Story and it
was just like wow and just just the nicest and
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such a wonderful human being. But yes, Ria Mareno.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
What an icon?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah icon?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Right?
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Yeah. Well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
When I was growing up, there wasn't that much and
most of the times people this is so sad to
say that people would hide their ethnicity in order to
be able to to play you know, which is I
remember what was it the Tony's An actor came up
and said that I was pronouncing my name a certain
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way so that it would be anglicized. And it just
makes me very sad, right, And so there wasn't like
a whole lot of that, you know, for me, so
reap that sticks out. But now now, of course you've
got Eva Longoria. You know, we've got so many wonderful
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people that are coming out and telling their stories and
now there's more inclusion. It makes me really happy to
be able to see that it's true, to see it across.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And it's not that long ago that that. I mean,
that's you know, when I was growing up, I didn't
see myself represent it, you know, And and it became
hard because even when I was coming up, and that
was not long ago, I had one of my first
agents ever when I was in high school, was like,
well what do people call you? And I was like,
you know, because if you know me, you know that
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my legal name is Havier and Hovey is what everyone
called me. And I was like, havey havevey? And then
it's like, well, what do you think of like Harvey Harvey?
So I was like havey and I was like, oh okay,
and they're like, what about the last name, let's change
And I was like, no, I don't want to change
your last name. And they're like, okay, well, how about
Harvey Havy Gey and Harvey Gee and Harvey Geen and
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sounds pretty good. And then weird enough when I was
in school because I went to in Orange County when
I was little, I went to school where the teacher
for some reason couldn't say my name, so.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
She what's the same with me?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And then she changed it, and so there was a
period of time when people could just call me Horvey
or Harvey and it kind of stuck. But a part
of me was always like I want to I want to, like,
you know, I wonder if I go back to just
for my because that's my legal name. But also the
fact that I got advice later in life where I
was talking to a friend of mine who was an
actor and he somehow had a connection to like Brad Pitt,
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and that the moms, the moms knew each other. Bratt
Pitt's mom and his mom knew each other, and that
mom for my friend asked Brett Pitt's mom and said, Hey,
my son's an actor too, do you have any advice
for him? And the one piece of advice that Brett
Pitt gave him was change your name. And I was like,
Brad Pitt wanted to change his name and he's like,
but it sounds like he got through the door. No,
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he said, change your name because once you get to
a certain level, your name belongs to everyone. And so
when you go into a room, everyone who says brat, brat,
and then you turn around you think you know them.
You're like, Hi, do I know you? And it's like, no,
I'm just a fan of your And I was like, oh,
you're a fan. I thought I knew you because the
name has now belonged to everyone, and so I thought
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about that. I was like, you know what, Wow, if
you know me by my legal name, your family and
your friends, so when you call it by my name,
I know how to turn and act and I know you.
And if you know me with Jesse's stage name, then
I know how you met me and how the introduction was.
And the introduction came from entertainment. And that's okay because
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I like to divide that my family and friends like
I'm very like protective, and so that's something for me
like special with my family my friends, I'm Hobby. And
then people have heard about the story recently and they
sometimes try it, like in publicly Hobby and it's like, I,
I don't know you, but you know, do not know you?
Like that you can call me her? You know, maybe
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after a while when I get to know somebody, it
becomes like a like a little bit of a okay,
you can call you like I know, like the director
on our show, Yanna, after working here for so many years,
and she's so lovely. She has nicknames for everyone, you know,
for Natasha and everyone. And she was talking to me,
She's like, what do people I was like, well, when
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I was little, they call me Hobby. And she's like,
oh why, and she goes like, oh, I wish I
could call you. And then she goes like, well, unless
you feel comfortable. And then after a while she she
was so sweet and wonderful and I just fell such
a connection with her, and she kept trying like she
would say it accidentally. She was like, oh have you sorry?
You said it again?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Sorry have you? Harvey? And I was like, you can
call me Hobby and then so now she calls me
Hobby because it's almost like a not everyone is in
that small bubble, you know, but it really stood out
to me. It really stood out to me that that
was that was that was great advice actually, because most
people would change and you would think that this male
whose Anglo Saxon would be fine with his name. You're like, great,
you're good to go. But even he was like, I
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wish I would have changed my name because it belongs
to everyone. And I never thought about that. I was, like,
it does because when I'm in a credit room, if
someone yells that, I know, that's like is that my
is that my brother's and my cousin that? I said,
you know what I mean, like it's not someone I know,
someone's in danger, like they know me by that name.
But if you know me as Harvey, that's great. You're
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you've met me through some kind of introduction through work, film,
TV show, which is great. That'll be in a compartment
in itself, and then I can still go home and
uh and know that's for me. So it makes me feel.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Oh, that's mind blowing, right because you never think about that,
like when your career is starting, you don't you don't
think about those things, right, like your guy's like once
you start blowing up, it's like there, I'm sure you
have a lot more considerations than I do when I.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Go, you know, to the store or something.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
You know, we have way off on me after line.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
But but it's so true about the name because I
started saying, well, actually, my dad, there's this weird story
in my family. My dad says, we named you after
Myrna loy Oh, And I was like what yeah, But
then it's like I'm trying to get but then my
dad my like my dad and my brothers saying Myrna.
My mom says miRNA, and so and so I know,
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you know, and so like i'd be on set and
I went through the same thing. I'm like, I could,
you know, and I too, because people were like, I
can't do Mina, I can't do I can't move, And
I'm like, all right, well, so it's true, it holds
a different place, you know, in the mouth. But so yeah,
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so I'd say, like, you know, in reality, my name
is both you know, and it's like, but if you
call me miRNA, I might be like a mine in trouble.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Mama.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I know, isn't that weird. It's just like because I mean, yeah,
like the whole idea of that, and that was an
agent who was a Mexican who recommended that, which later
I was like, that broke my heart because I was like, oh,
but I see what he was doing, because he was
part of a product of his time of being told like,
you want to work in this business, you got to
get a stage name, kid. And I was like wow.
(34:52):
But then looking back, it was like a like a
happy mistake, I guess, because now I'm like, actually, yeah,
I'm kind of great that I did that, because he
you know, a lot of like celebrities and stars and
actors have changed. They're not the names like Miley Syres,
you know what I mean, Like you go down on
the list everybody, everybody. So it wasn't that terrible, but
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because it doesn't change who I am and who I'm representing,
who I am to myself and what I mean to
my you know, family and the people that I love,
and so it just it blows my mind. But do
you think that the show itself does a good job
of representing the hustle of the LATINX people financially stability, general,
getting the fridge, wanting to provide for his family. Do
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you think that should do a good job with that,
because I think that's kind of in our nature, Like
it's like the hustle of that.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Oh my god, it just makes It's like it's like
how me and my brothers are with my parents. It's
like we want to give them everything. Yeah, it's like
you know what I mean, it's that same thing. It's
when I think it totally does, which is why I
felt like it. When I was on doing this part,
I was like, it just feels like so natural and
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so at home. It's just that wanting to, like, especially
being immigrants you know in the States, it's like and
you see how they struggled and my parents, you know,
my dad was a waiter all his life, you know,
and so he provided for us and everything, but there
were things we couldn't have.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
And so now it's like, oh, I.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Want to give you, you know, I want to you know,
we like talk about it. One of these days, I
was like, I'm going to buy you a house. And
to buy a house, I want to buy you a house.
You know, that would be like a huge, you know thing.
But it's it definitely definitely. Yeah, It's like I feel
it from you too. It's like, my mom needs this,
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I'm going to do what I you know, I'm going
to give it to her. She's going to get it, yeah,
you know, because she's my It's just that. Yeah, we
do that for each other. We fight for each other.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Absolutely, What do.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You think, you know, as my mom, would my mom
want for yet more as a job? What do you
think her original want for him for a career must
have been? As a parent, you want to protect your kids,
you know, and encourage your kids to pursue a career
that stable. I know that growing up. My mom would say,
you know, you know, like you're going to be a
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doctor or lawyer. And I was like I am, And
I was like it was decided, you know, I am.
But we do that because we're afraid that they won't,
you know, end up in a stable job and whatnot.
What do you think themo's mom wished for to be
if if she had to pick a profession for him.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Okay, I'm going to tell you something because yeah, just
when you said that my mine was secretary. My dad
was like, you need to be a secretary, honey, because
then you can make you know, that's a profession, that's right,
And so they didn't.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
I was like a weirdo scenographerographer like boo boo boo
boo boo boo boo.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
But so in even in that scene we were talking
about where you work, like the Baneta bread right, to me,
I feel that I was proud of you no matter
what you did. I really felt like like Guillermo's mom
(38:21):
wanted him to follow his path because me, you know,
and personally following my path. I think that's where I
felt that with you. And it was more like.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
But if I had to, if I had to, if
you were like, no, you got to pick.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Something I would say is that if you had ended
up in like management at Bunnett, I would have been like,
oh my.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
God, right, you know, he's like he's a manager, that
he's a manager.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
He's like you know what I mean, He's like he's
like he's up there, he has a voice, he has this,
you know.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
But I think at the end for the way I.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Chose her is that and at the end, which reveals
also when you come out, it's like none of that
matters to me. All of that is superficial to me.
What matters to me is you and my child being
happy and fulfilled and confident in this world. You know,
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like I really felt that protectiveness of you, and when
you came out, I'm like, of course, you know, yes, yes,
anything you want, because I know the love is there,
and I think that's what's most important.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
I'm not gonna say that all families are like that, That's.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
What I was gonna say. I'll see, that's a very
beautiful approach because that's not always a norm, you know,
it's not. It was a norm with a lot of families,
and so I'm glad that this episode we got to
show what it could be like if you just lead
with love and support your child and support what their
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choices and support who they are and when they actually
feel comfortable enough to share, you know, the true feelings
that you listen and that you accept and open heart.
So I'm really proud of this episode. This episode is
kind of go down in the books one of my
top favorites, and that's, you know, a big part because
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of you and how you presented Girma's mom. And I
just want to thank you for doing it.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Oh my god, thank you. This is like a dream
for me. It's so easy to play off of you.
Just so you give. I'm not kidding, You're just you're
so loving and giving. It's not even like it's a
no brainer. I felt it immediately on set. So thank
you for giving me this, because I did hear I
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heard in wardrobe that you had like a large part
in like picking also as well, like making sure there
was on finne. Yeah, And they had said that to me,
and so they were like, oh, so like you're and
I'm like, oh so he like saw my taste.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Oh my god. And I was just like, you know,
like starstruck.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
But but just all of that, all of that to me,
and I lost my thought.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Where am I going with this? No, I don't know,
I'm a machine.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
We were just talking about how great it is to
just you know, be working on the show together and
do this episode, and and how easy and effortless it
is to to kind of bring these characters to live,
especially with's mom and in the same yea moment in
this episode was so special and sweet and and I'm
glad we everyone gets to see it now. So Gillermo
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is here he's queer, get used to it, and he's
a bad ass.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
That's right, maybe he is a bad ass.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
But before we go, we've been asking everybody. So this
season we obviously opened Najas the nightclub, and we're asking
everyone if you had a drink or if Germo's mom
had a drink at this bar, what would it be
called and what would be consist of? And a human
can drink it, not just a vampire but a human.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Well, oh okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
The first thing that pops into my head is a
Mama Sita, leave it?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
And what would that consist of?
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Oh my god, it's gotta be fruity.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Yeah, So I think we're gonna stick some like pineapple
in there, pineapple juice, mango, some coconuts. Yeah, a little
mango fruity like, yeah, maybe a little.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Rum and then maybe can you mix? Can you mix
rum and tequila?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I think you can you mix rum together? They're both Well,
it's it's a clear rum. Maybe you could do it. Yeah,
I'm sure you can't.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Whatever, it's your drink.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You could do whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
It's my drink. Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
So yeah, so you put a little a little rum
and tequila in there, and then you gotta have a cherry.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh yes, right, Oh what if you shot of tequila
as your starter and your chaser is the rum based
something like that?
Speaker 5 (43:07):
I like it? And then you said it on.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Fire, like you know, I love that. What would it be?
So it would be called? Okay, so we got the name,
we got the ingredients. That sounds delicious. I would totally
order that because you know, you get a shot and
you get like a chaser, so you could probably do both.
I don't think if Yeah, you can probably put both
rum and think together. I mean you might have a
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hangover the next day, but that's okay, it's part of
the fun. It's just you know, but what about if
you if MYRNA had a drink that wasn't the character drink,
what would that drink be or what's your go to drink?
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I love tea on the rocks, like sipping tequila like
the real like yeah, the very age with a line
on the side, like very simple. And then yeah, yeah yeah,
because I also heard like I got it.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
It helps you lose weight. So this lose weight.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
This is my diet. I'm going the diet right now.
I'm just Well, with that, we conclude this week's episode,
and thank you everyone for joining us. Thank you so
much to my Madma. Oh I love it. And if
you if you can come heavy You're from You're a
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part of the family. Now, if you want to say
anything to the audience who have fallen in love with
your portrayal of GM's mom with the show itself, what
would you like to tell the fans.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
I'm so grateful, Thank you so much for all your
love and support. I am like walking on clown nine
just even being a part of this.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
And go out there and just love.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Spread the love, spread the love and the acceptance. If
you love me that much, then follow my example.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Take it a following. Where can people follow you on
socials as well?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Oh, I've got Instagram, Uh, and I've got it Goby,
you all dot.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
Marna, and then I still have Facebook as I'm old.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
We'll start off with Instagram and then they can follow
you back to Instagram.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Right, yeah, you don't need to do anything.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Well again, thank you so much and we'll see you
next time, okay.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
Behind the Shadows is a production of straw Hut Media,
hosted by Harvey Gehan, produced by Ryan Tillotson, Amada Sanchez,
and Tyler Nielsen. Original music by Trevor Bumgar and Chris Hendricks.
Vocals by Maggie Glass. If you don't already, subscribe wherever
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the What We Do in the Shadow subreddit for an
AMA with Harvey and special guests.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Reading is so bewhelming, I'd bizarre. Have to tell me
why would anyone want to be alive.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
That might have a reputation before she arrives? But trust me,
we have way more fly after life. We have way
more funny after life.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
See you next week.