May 2, 2025 • 48 mins
Are you a highly sensitive person seeking to understand your gifts in a new light? Dr. Reverend Laura Palmer's groundbreaking book "Celebrating Sensitives" offers a fresh perspective that might just change how you see yourself. In this illuminating conversation with Granddaughter Crow, Palmer reveals how the trait of high sensitivity has shaped influential historical figures long before the term was coined in the 1990s.
Palmer takes us on a journey through history, showing how figures like Nikola Tesla, whose sensitivity was so acute he could hear a pocket watch ticking three doors down, channeled his gifts into world-changing inventions. She shares the surprising story of Eleanor Roosevelt, who created meditation spaces in both the White House and United Nations, demonstrating how sensitivity can enhance leadership rather than hinder it. Even Abraham Lincoln exhibited the classic traits of a highly sensitive person, using his empathy and emotional intelligence to guide the nation through its darkest hours.
What truly sets this discussion apart is Palmer's courage in addressing the "less than lovable" sensitives throughout history. With profound insight, she explores how figures like Stalin and Machiavelli began their lives with artistic and spiritual sensitivities before trauma led them down darker paths. This balanced view reminds us that sensitivity itself is neutral—it's what we choose to do with our gifts that defines us.
Whether you're a highly sensitive person seeking validation, someone who loves or works with HSPs, or simply fascinated by history through a new lens, this episode offers fresh perspectives that will expand your understanding of sensitivity as a powerful force throughout human civilization. Connect with Dr. Reverend Laura Palmer at www.sacredsciencenergy.com to discover her book, oracle cards, children's book, and energy work centered around empowering the sensitive souls among us.
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Granddaughter Crow (00:00):
Welcome to Belief being and Beyond with
your host, granddaughter Crow.
Hi everybody, granddaughterCrow here with yet another
episode of Belief being andBeyond and I brought someone
back to the show because theyhave a fantabulous new book out.
(00:22):
I think we might have mentionedit, but here it is in the flesh
.
I guess the book is in theflesh.
It is Celebrating Sensitives,and I have with me Dr Reverend
Laura Palmer, phd.
Say hello to everyone.
Palmer (00:44):
Laura, hi everybody, it's an honor to be here.
Granddaughter Crow (00:48):
Oh, thank you.
Let me give you guys a littlebit more background around Laura
.
Dr Reverend Laura Palmer sograduated from the University of
Sedona with a PhD in holisticlife counseling and a Reiki
master teacher.
That's some good energy.
(01:08):
That is some good energy.
She specializes in counselinghighly sensitive people highly
sensitive people, which I am andshe is, and I love highly
sensitive people.
She loves supporting highlysensitive people or HSPs,
however she can.
She does live in the foothillsof Colorado, so she's right up
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the road from me Okay, mayberight up the hill from me and
also so she lives west of Denverwith her mom and her rescue dog
, sophie.
Also, dr Laura Palmer is ahighly sensitive person herself
and has spent a better part ofthe last decade learning,
experimenting, practicing allthings metaphysical and
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combining her two greatinterests history which she's a
history buff and highlysensitive people.
And this is what she brings tous is this book.
If you want to read more andconnect with Dr Reverend Laura
Palmer, you can reach her atwwwsacredscienceenergycom and I
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will drop that in the notes.
But today we get to talk allthings sensitive, and I was.
I love talking all thingssensitive with you, laura,
because you do the research.
You don't just go well, I feellike this.
So it must be true, you knowyou get, you do all the research
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, and so for the listenersdefine highly sensitive person.
Palmer (02:49):
Just really briefly in case they don't know uh, briefly
, just buy the bookx of thecharacter trait, which that's
actually what I love about.
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It is a character trait.
It's not a good thing, badthing, it just is, and I love
the fact that we see itthroughout all cultures and all
history points, and we see itall over the place.
But the crux of it really isthe fact that we are sensitive
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to.
We are what is it?
We are sensitive to the subtleenergies of our environment.
Granddaughter Crow (03:36):
Oh yeah.
Palmer (03:37):
Right and everything, elaine Aaron and you taught this
to me, granddaughter Crowe wasthat that that acronym of does
right the deep, deep processing,over stimulation, emotional and
sensitive to the subtleenergies.
But if you kind of think aboutit and you reverse it, you can
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see how the oversensitizationand the emotions and the deep
processing all stems from beingable to read the room, being
sensitive to those environments.
So in my opinion, in myexperience, that's really the
key that makes us a littledifferent.
Granddaughter Crow (04:17):
I love that and it is very, very true.
So does I love that depth ofprocessing, overstimulation,
emotional and sensitive to thesubtleties of the environment,
you know.
So, celebrating Sensitives thisis interesting book that took a
long time to research and puttogether and I really want to,
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without further ado, I want tojump in.
It is celebrating thesensitives, what we can learn
from historical sensitivepersons and how they are and how
to be empowered like they were.
And so, like your book isbroken out into like three
points or three parts.
The first one talks in depthabout what is a sensitive and it
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goes into that does acronymthat you just spoke of, and it
does all this research and itexplains and gives examples and
it goes on so that by the timeyou're done with part one, you
got a pretty good handle on thetraits.
And I love to, because I thinkat first, when Dr Elaine Aaron
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coined the phrase highlysensitive person, that they were
kind of like is this acondition or is it a personality
trait?
And only to find out it's notlike a condition, it's not a
disorder, it's a trait, we wereborn like this.
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And the first part is reallypacked full of that and it's a
really good review for those whohave been studying being an
empath.
The beauty around this book iswhat you bring, which is the
history.
The beauty around this book iswhat you bring, which is the
history, showing us, throughouthistory, different historical
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figures that land in thesecategories, based on the traits
and what they did, and alsobased on you know, their lived
experience, their history,history, their personal
experience, as well as yourperception of them.
And I love how you break it outso like.
You have a part where it talksabout where I would actually see
religious figures and artists.
That's almost like a no-brainerfor me that highly sensitive
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people are going to be religiousfigures and artists.
But then you go into theinventors and you go into the
leaders, because a lot of timeswe think, oh, they're too
sensitive to be a leader.
Oh, no, not necessarilyno-transcript, just a eureka, or
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how did it happen?
Palmer (07:29):
Kind of actually it was a combination, it was COVID, and
as a history buff, with allthis kind of new open time, I
started watching even morehistorical documentaries and
even more.
And I think it was AbrahamLincoln that I started watching
even more historicaldocumentaries and even more.
And I think it was AbrahamLincoln that I was watching a
documentary on probably one ofKen Burns pieces and I went
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outside and I started walkingaround.
I'm like you know what?
Abraham Lincoln surprisinglyhad a lot of character traits
that matched up with the HSP.
And I'm like, well, it's not,like you know, hsp's were born
the minute that Elaine Aaronpublished this book.
Right, well, we've been aroundfor a long time and so that's
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what I started to kind ofresearch it more and more and I
did get the inkling.
And I did get the inkling.
So for a while now I've beenkind of searching my soul and
things to find the subjects towrite a book about, but
everything felt derivative andnot worthy of killing treats.
This idea of combining the twoand kind of explaining and
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potentially even extrapolatingout that character trait even
further really felt tree killingworthy.
And they all agreed with me.
They were like, yes, you may.
So I actually that's how Iactually got into the PhD
program, because, knowing myself, I knew that I wanted to do
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this.
But I also knew that if Ididn't have a reason to or
something to really push me,some kind of accountability,
that I would just drop it likeseveral other projects I've got
in my closet.
And so, um, I checked with myadvisor before I signed up and I
said this this is going to bemy doctorate, this is going to
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be my dissertation, whichprogram will get me the ability
to do that?
And so that's pretty much howwe went on, and then, about four
years later, we got it done.
Granddaughter Crow (09:39):
Love it.
Talk about begin with the endin mind.
I think that Stephen Covey saidthat Begin with the end in mind
.
I think that Stephen Covey saidthat Begin with the end in mind
.
And most people who have adoctorate, that's very difficult
to figure out what you wantyour dissertation to be about,
and you were just like I want mydissertation to be about this.
Let me go ahead and get adoctorate inside of a program
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that allows it to be so.
I love it.
Build it backwards, I love it.
Allows it to be so.
I love it.
Build it backwards.
I love it.
I also really enjoy thisbecause you make a good point in
that when Dr Elaine Aron wrotethis book, when did she write it
?
Like 1986 or 96?
96.
Okay, was the first yearpublished?
Was the first year published?
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And she coined the phraseearlier HSP, highly sensitive
person.
But we didn't just start beingborn when she coined the phrase.
We were here without not anidentity but a category, right?
Palmer (10:42):
And a lot of it.
You can see where, like even um,a lot of characters in in
literature.
You can see where that sensitivehistorically, we were the
nervous type, we were theartistic temperament, we were
the um ones that had the nervoustics or whatever.
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But when you actually look atit in a different way, you start
to see like, oh, I mean, thisis just start popping up all
throughout history and Iactually only I focus the ones
that are in the book I focusedon because there is so much rich
information about them, right,and so I could get those
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childhood stories, because thereis so much rich information
about them, right, and so Icould get those childhood
stories, I could get the littlequirks and all of those
wonderful things.
There are others that I have asuspicion were, such as Nero and
potentially Caligula andpotentially Caligula, but I
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don't, we don't have the recordsand I can't find the stories or
the proof to back that up.
So we really kind of,unfortunately, the historical
documents start to get reallygood around the 15th or 17th
century, 1600s, so it focuses onthe ones before, but we still
got them everywhere.
Granddaughter Crow (12:05):
Love it.
I absolutely love it.
Give us.
Can you give us like choose oneof them that you wrote about
and give us a little bit likemore of like what was it like a
religion?
We already know that one, butthis the inventors.
Like give us a little bit moreinformation about that.
(12:29):
Like choose one of theinventors.
Palmer (12:31):
OK, one of my favorite inventors is Tesla.
Nikola Tesla, not the car, notthe company of today, right, but
we're talking about the man.
Right, but we're talking aboutthe man, one of the things that
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inventors when you start tothink about it.
We know that Elaine Aronactually did a study with fMRIs
right, the functional MRIs anddiscovered that the neural
pathways of a sensitive aredifferent than a non-sensitive.
As a result, that means wethink differently, we think out
of the box and with that in mind, inventors become a natural
umbrella, a natural category.
For that we know that he wassome.
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Ocd is probably an easy, kindway to describe him.
In the book we document howsome woman at a party was
wearing pearl earrings and itjust drove him to madness.
There was one point actually,it was really interesting.
There was one point actually itwas really interesting About 18
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months before Tesla had hisvery first breakthrough with his
invention and I can't rememberthe invention, but he had to put
padding under the feet of hisbed Because the traffic going by
the front of the building wouldjust set him on edge.
He could hear a pocket watchticking across the hall three
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doors down.
Granddaughter Crow (14:28):
Yeah, that's , highly sensitive right.
Palmer (14:31):
Right and of course, we didn't have any techniques then.
His best known technique wasspending time in nature, which
we find a lot of these.
That's a big recurring pattern,for many of them is just go
walk around in nature, but TessaI also.
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I find it very interesting thathe had this breakdown and mere
months before he had abreakthrough Wow, which is very
telling for humanity and forsensitives.
Granddaughter Crow (15:07):
I love that, I absolutely love that.
So I broke down about sixmonths ago, so maybe I'll have a
breakthrough coming up here ina little bit.
You know what I'm sayingAbsolutely, I love that.
Okay.
So here's another question foryou what drove the different
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groups?
Like I said, you have thereligious figures and artists,
you have the inventors and allof that.
You also have leaders, and thenyou have the less than lovable,
highly sensitive people, whichwe will get to because I love
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that.
What?
How did you categorize that?
How did they finally find theircategory?
Palmer (15:55):
I really kind of fell into place, actually, just as I
was kind of going, oh what aboutthis one?
What about this one?
And it was really my ultimategoal was to get to those leaders
.
I wanted to show the examplethat sensitives make great
leaders.
The intuition, the empathy,high, highly intelligent, so
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that we can strategize and thinkout of the box those all our
qualities, beautiful, wonderfulleaders.
But I felt like I had to kindof walk us up to the, to the
concept of that, and so westarted with the softball of the
religious and the artistic, andthen the inventors, which is a
little bit out of the box, andthen the leaders, so that once
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we did get completely out of thebox, it wasn't so crazy.
Granddaughter Crow (16:44):
I love that because it's true.
I mean, especially in what Iwould say the left
hemisphere-centric meaning, ourbrain is very logical, it's
centered around logic in theUnited States in 2025 and has
been in the United States for awhile, and so this idea of being
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sensitive, it really is like,but that's different than logic,
because, you know, isn't thisperson who's like, highly
sensitive?
You know depth of processingand stimulation, over
stimulation and emotion?
How could they rise to be aleader?
And I think that you being ableto show us what that looks like
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, not only explain it, because,like you just did, they are
going to have that empathy, theyare going to have that depth of
processing, they are going tohave that intuition to go
something, that gut check orwhatever, and yet they rise to
leadership.
And then you give us primeexamples.
Could you give us one of thoseexamples of one that just pops
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into your mind?
One of the leaders?
Palmer (17:56):
There's several that want to talk.
Granddaughter Crow (17:58):
Let's go for it.
Palmer (18:01):
We always, we always love Eleanor Roosevelt.
She's one of our favorites um,um because she was the mother of
the country through thedepression and world war I and
she still maintained.
What I love about her is a lotof.
At the time people justgravitated.
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She was like a warm comfortblanket.
She was like a cozy blanket ofcomfort during some of the
really tough times of the 20.
For me, um, was that eleanorroosevelt had a meditation room
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in the white house and was veryadamant that when they were
developing and planning theunited nations, that they have a
meditation, prayer room, quietroom.
I love that.
Wow, I love her.
Yeah, she's one of my absolute.
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She's a strong one for me.
Granddaughter Crow (19:08):
I love that.
That's such a I mean.
Palmer (19:13):
And we were able to track down her meditative
process, and it is in the bookwell, you guys, let's all
meditate like elena luceval,let's do it, let's do it.
Granddaughter Crow (19:30):
I, I absolutely love that, because
meditation for me, um, Ipractice it off and on
throughout my life, but I'm intoit right now and have been into
it for the last, well, sincethe beginning of February.
So we're recording this at theend of April for the last three
months and I'm going to continuethis process of meditation and
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where it takes me and there'sall different forms and stuff,
but where it takes me is to myinner stillness, so I can hear
my voice.
And practicing it and doing adaily practice of that helps me
to return to that daily voicevery, very quickly and I don't
get lost.
And so the fact that the leaderand the female, you know first,
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all of it is like wow, let's.
Yeah, she's one of my favoritetoo.
Who else?
Who else is?
You said a few want to comeforward, so pick another one
well, we, we.
Palmer (20:28):
It's easy now to understand how abraham lincoln
was a sensitive right, now thatwe kind of are a little more
familiar with the, with thecharacter trait we can see.
Oh yes, of course what I lovemost about him is that we can
see the arc of his character gofrom.
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He was, he was always anabolitionist right, but there
are new documents that arecoming out that says, okay, he
does believe that all men shouldbe free, but he also believes
that there are only certainpeople that should be jurors and
government leaders.
And we see this arc.
He grows um and he changes andhe modifies and he opens up and
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he changes the country and hechanges our world.
And it's fun to see that kindof soul growth um in somebody
and to to watch it, read it,read back and really enjoy it
yeah, that's amazing.
Granddaughter Crow (21:35):
And you know that brings up another point of
that as a sensitive, our soulscontinue to grow.
And another thing, because I'mabout ready to shift into the
less lovable ones.
But what I love about this isthat it complements any
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sensitive collection or library,if you will, because it
actually goes back and reviewsvery well-known historical
figures and shows us what it waslike before and what tools they
had to create for themselvesbecause they didn't have a Dr
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Reverend Laura Palmer tellingthem oh, walk outside into the
natural world and you'll feel alittle better.
You know they had to figure allof that out by themselves and
that it also speaks to likesometimes when people find a
title or a label and theyidentify with it like I'm a
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highly sensitive person.
That doesn't mean that I amintroverted.
Hermit need to behave like this, and I probably have.
You know, maybe I'm going tohave OCD in the future.
You know it's that there areall shapes and sizes and colors
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of different how we work withthis tool, this character trait
of being highly sensitive, andwe get to see examples of that.
I mean so for me you kind ofbroaden the scope where it's not
like oh, we're all church mice?
Oh no, we're not.
Did you get?
Palmer (23:31):
surprised at all.
As you were going through that,you kind of found some and
you're just like I had that makesense but I wouldn't have.
I was surprised and notsurprised to find so many HSPs
as American founding fathers.
It's a piece that I'm workingon an Oracle deck right now and
so they're going to be in thatone.
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So they're not all.
They're not in this one, Idon't think, but many, many of
our founding fathers were HSPs.
Wow, which I'm like.
Thank you, Can you come backand help us again?
Granddaughter Crow (24:09):
It actually makes a lot of sense because I
think I think you brought thisinformation to me there was a
study that Dr Elaine Aaron'sfriends she had biology friends
and they also did a study onover 100 other species and found
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out that there was the normal15%, 20% of those populations
that also held these traits.
And so then they believe thebiologists think that well,
they're here for the survival ofthe population because they are
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sensitive towards new stimuliwith the environment.
Palmer (24:58):
We're famous for being both either early adopters, like
Lincoln.
He was one of the reasons himwinning the presidency was an
absolute surprise.
Him getting the nomination washe just came out of nowhere at
the convention prize.
Him getting the nomination washe just came out of nowhere at
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the convention.
But his candidacy, his campaignwas, and throughout his entire
presidency was all because hecapitalized on new technology.
He was an early adopter of thenewspapers and the telegraph, so
he could clearly communicateand say, nope, nope, that's not
what my speech said, this iswhat it said.
So he was able to do that.
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So part of us are early adopters.
We get excited, we like newtoys, we play with them, another
.
But the opposite of that isalso true.
Where we're waiting seers right.
We're kind of like, okay, sothere's this new technology,
this brand new wrangled thingcalled the satellite, and we're
just going to wait and see andsee how it happens and how it
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develops, and so it's that waitand see that really kind of does
help the species.
We're like, okay, I know thisis cool and this is nifty and
everything, but let's, let'sjust kind of rein it back a
little bit and and just see howit flows and and and where it
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goes, before we go all hog wild.
So but I do.
I love the fact that it's beenpostulated that every species on
this planet, 20% of us, areHSPs, and I see it in dogs, I
see it in cats, I see it in alot of the domesticated, and
it's just thrilling to considerthat our planet is a sensitive
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one.
Granddaughter Crow (26:48):
Yeah, and it also is really interesting
because I think back in the dayin at least the business world,
when Dr Lynn Aaron was bringingthis book out, we were just then
going in with, like DanielGoldman and emotional
intelligence and all of thesebooks, kind of bringing to the
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forefront of the business world,of the business world that, you
know, emotions are good people.
We're not on, you know, on theline with a number in building a
Ford.
You know, team model Ford.
You know we are literallyindividuals and so this idea is
starting to come out and it'sstill shaping.
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And then you take us into thisunderstanding.
Oh yeah, and they were alwayshere, let's take a look.
So here's a, here's a questionfor you.
Um, I do enjoy the part whereyou say the less than lovable or
likable, highly sensit.
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And you actually put aprecursor in that chapter where
you're just like, if this getsyour gut wrong, skip it, you
know, because the idea, I thinkthat as a highly sensitive
person, it makes me feel like,oh well, I'm special and I'm
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good and I can do no wrong.
I have these gifts.
I might be clairvoyant, I havegood intuition.
So how could a person withthose gifts go to the dark side,
but it happens.
People Look at Darth Vader.
Look at Darth Vader.
I don't think Darth Vader is inthe book, but he could have
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been a highly sensitive.
No, I'm just playing.
So the idea I think that youare introducing, for the first
time I've ever seen it, the ideathat, yeah, you are gifted, but
what you do with your giftsreally matter.
So why did you write thatchapter and what did you find?
Palmer (28:53):
And give us an example you write that chapter and what
did you find?
And give us an example.
Um, I really did find that.
Um, it's straight up, acharacter, straight trait.
It is neither good nor is itbad and it is completely on you
and your soul and yourresponsibility as to what you do
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with that gift.
We do carry a lot of energy andpower and with that comes a lot
of responsibility.
So we need to be very aware ofand I think sensitives already
are.
Sometimes we become paralyzedby oh, is this going to be okay?
But some of us, the ego gets inthe way, and so it's really a
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matter of balance and noticingthat this is a trait, just like
me having brown gray hair andhazel brown, boring eyes.
It's the same kind of thing.
Somebody has blue eyes.
What are they going to do withit?
I've got pink eyes.
What am I going to do with that?
So, along with the, there's agreat it was a Netflix short
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lived series about with KathyBates, where somebody was doing
a podcast, where somebody wasdoing a podcast and the it was a
couple and she was like wow,you're so in psychic, you're so
intuitive.
And he's like yeah, it's a gift, it's a curse, it's a curse and
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I'm like right, and it's really.
It can be either way.
It's a matter of how you chooseto accept it, if you do, and a
matter of what to do with it andhow.
Either way, it's a matter ofhow you choose to accept it, if
you do, and a matter of what todo with it and how you do it.
Yeah, I'm not going to say theobvious one.
Granddaughter Crow (30:45):
Okay, we'll save it for the book.
If you guys want to know theobvious one, you got to pick up
the book.
Where can they really quick?
Where can people get your bookjust?
Palmer (30:55):
Well, it's available on my publishers.
It's Sunbury Press.
It's available on Amazon.
It's a free Kindle download.
Actually, if you have issueswith iSight or something like
that, the Kindle is an option.
It's on a lot of thrift books,a-books, those kind of places
and some local bookstores in theDenver metro area.
Granddaughter Crow (31:18):
Absolutely and basically.
I'm pretty sure that if youwalk into your favorite
bookstore, buy local and askthem to order this book, you
know, just ask them.
Say I would like to buyCelebrating Sensitive by Dr
Reverend Laura Palmer, please.
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This is what it looks like, andthen you will be off to the
races and be able to find outwho she's talking about when she
says the obvious one.
So go ahead and give us a lessthan obvious bad guy.
Quote, unquote bad guy or lesslovable one who chose their
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girst to be the curse.
Palmer (32:05):
Yeah right, um, I usually um, well, yeah, let's go
.
Oh, machiavelli okay, he okay.
So we're somewhat familiar withit.
The person has kind of beenlost through the work.
We now consider many cutthroatstrategies or actions to be
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Machiavellian Right or somebodyto have a Machiavellian
personality.
The book I found because, likeI said, there's a lot of
information on him, um, and I umit's she postulates that
Machiavelli wrote the prince,which is the book that his
theories are based on, as asatire and Oops, and as a
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handbook for sure, how tosucceed in without really trying
.
But also, eventually you willfail.
Machiavelli wrote more than justthe prints.
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He wrote plays, he wrote songs,he wrote humor.
He had a great sense of humorand my one thing from him that I
have worked with and it took mea while to find this from him
find this energy.
He was an observer, an observerand potentially clear audience.
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Actually, I almost know clearaudience.
Um, there's a, a story in one ofthe sources that I found, where
it was a combination.
There was a conversationbetween two people and I've
forgotten the names.
I think it's the Cardinal andBorgia.
(34:08):
Cardinal and Borgia Machiavelliwas present at the conversation
and he literally reports thathe stepped back from the
conversation, so he wasn'tinvolved in the conversation and
he consciously remembered everysingle word so that he could
(34:33):
faithfully and authenticallyreport the conversation back to
the leaders in Florence and I'mlike well, there you go.
Wow, so he's a really good oneto work with the observer.
He's also one that work withwhere, getting the clear message
(34:55):
out he wrote if this author isindeed true fact and he did
write in satire we need to makethat a little bit more clear the
next time.
Granddaughter Crow (35:09):
Right Oopsies, that's what I was like,
big oops.
Palmer (35:14):
Yeah, yeah.
But another one of my favorite,less than loving is Stalin.
Actually, ok, he, when you,when you consider that the idea
he was right there at thebeginning of the Communist
Manifesto and in the whole ideaof of equal work and everyone
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should share right, equality,and all of that um, and so we
can see this sweet, loving um hewas, he loved to write poetry,
he was his poems were poet,published in a local newspaper.
He was a choir boy.
He was an award-winning umsinger for his choir and was on
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his way to become a priest andso then he got involved with the
New Thought and all of the boysthere and started working more
for socialism and communism andso it kind of got derailed from
the priesthood.
Can see where, um,philosophically there's not much
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difference really, um, with acouple of major minor
differences, um, but it's reallyum.
The most telling story that Ifound about stalin was um, he
was at the grave site of hisfirst wife and he said he was
(36:39):
burying his wife and he was soovercome with emotion that he
said this is where my empathyfor humanity ends, and that's
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when we start to see him take aturn and that's when we start
seeing him, the ego takes over,and that's when he becomes the
man that we know him for whoakilling right, my eyes are
watering and I'm I'm speechless,I know um, yeah, herbert,
herbert hoover, another one inthat in the book um did
(37:30):
basically the same thing.
Um cut off his emotions, but hiswas the death of his dog,
speedy, speedy bozo.
But he was like nope, this istoo much, I'm stepping out of
the emotional arena and I'lljust go machiavellian and do
what I gotta do.
And the end justifies the meat.
Granddaughter Crow (37:50):
So it's fascinating that is, and you
know, I mean these are big, likebig.
We all know these people andresearch these people.
But it also on that macro level.
But it also shows on a microlevel, like, if you follow my
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personal story, I was very, verysensitive and then I got ousted
by my family.
They kicked me out and thechurch kicked me out because I
questioned God and I kind of dida similar thing.
I didn't like say this is whereit ends, but I was just like I
am going to like, let's see whatthis.
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I'm going to go to school, I'mgoing to work my way up in the
corporate America.
It's a dog eat dog world.
The end justifies the means.
And I was, you know, I was areally good cold person when I
was in that role.
I didn't know it, except for,you know, like if I was
interviewing a new vendor orsomething like that, after a
(38:55):
while I'd get to know them andthey would be like you are
intimidating as F and I'm likewhat are you talking about?
I feel nice in the inside, no,so it's a really strange thing
that.
And then, and then, thankfully,I came back, you know, and you
know swung back around, took acouple of hits over you know,
(39:19):
spiritual hits in order for meto to reawaken, but I did, and
so that is a part of a sensitivestory too, that you know.
We say that it's a curse, butbecause we feel so deeply, it's
not that I don't think that theycould turn it off, I just think
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that they were like fine, thisis the world I'm living in, a
cold world and I think thatbeing an empath really does feel
like being a mirror, and youcan mirror positivity as much as
you can mirror, like the otherside.
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I hate to say it, but I've doneit.
Yep, I've done it, and it kindof makes these people a little
bit more human.
But it also helps me to look atmy life and open up my mind to
some of those times probablywere me, as a highly sensitive
being, so hurt and crushed Imean seriously when my family
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kicked me out and the churchkicked me out.
I was suicidal.
I was suicidal at the age of 17.
And it took me.
I had to shut it all down andgo.
That was all hogwash, that wasall hogwash and then move
forward and it took me.
What a good 17,.
I don't know.
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10 plus 7 plus a good 17 yearsto heal before I was ready to
open back up.
And I did open back up about 20some odd years ago and now I'm
here.
But that's also a really goodthing to look for that.
I never heard of Laura, I meanDr Reverend Laura Palmer.
(41:09):
I know her as Laura, so I takeadvantage of that.
Palmer (41:14):
Laura's good too, I like that I love it.
Granddaughter Crow (41:17):
I love it.
You can call me Crow, I'll callyou Laura, I love it.
But that you really did do alot of work with this book
because, as a sensitive yougotta, you had to have come into
it with a little bit of biasand then look at these people
and go no way and put your biasaside and actually look at the
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traits and everything was thedoctoral aspect of it I love it.
Palmer (41:50):
Yeah, we actually in the beginning.
It might be part one orsomewhere in there.
We actually apologize if wehave overstepped and are zeal to
make our case misrepresentedanybody, but we just love
sensitive so much that we seethem everywhere.
Granddaughter Crow (42:10):
Pretty sure that was the intro, Laura.
I think that was literally.
Maybe you say it a couple oftimes, but it really is.
Hey, by the way, I love youguys, but let's, let's go ahead
and and sit down and look at thebeauty around life without
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labeling it as good or evil.
In our own human world, becauseof you know certain things.
I don't want to be knownhistorically.
Well, I do want to be knownhistorically, but I don't want
to be known for the bad stuffthat I've done.
Laura, I don't want to.
I want to be known for thispodcast.
I want to be known for knowingpeople like you.
(42:52):
I want to be known for that,you know, and so it's kind of
like it all matters, you know,and so it's kind of like it all
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matters.
So what is in your future?
I know that we are putting thisout at the beginning of May and
we've got you and I have a booksigning that we're going to be
in the Denver metro area ortraveling through Colorado this
coming weekend, on Sunday, may4th, from two o'clock to four
o'clock in person book signingPlus.
We're just going to have a lotof chat.
Laura, dr Reverend, Laura Palmerand granddaughter Crow are
going to be sitting in the sameroom talking to and answering
questions.
So if you guys can, please,please, please, show up.
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If you can't, you're talkingabout other things that you're
doing.
You you said a deck of cards.
What are you?
How's that going?
I think you might havementioned that last time too.
We're keeping track.
This is your accountability.
This is your accountability.
Belief being and beyond is drreverend laura palmer's
accountability for her projects.
(44:05):
So, yeah, tell us how's thatgoing and what does it go.
Palmer (44:09):
The first 44 card deck is written and just this morning
we started on the second 44card deck and they're split, as
you um, into left brained andright brained, so the expected
hsps and the non-expected, andwe haven't worked out the terms
for that yet, um, but um, wehave an um an artist on board
(44:35):
and she's um chomping at the bitto get those images for the
deck ready and going.
But I have her very busy on achildren's book.
Granddaughter Crow (44:47):
What I want to hear more of this.
What is this?
Palmer (44:51):
So in the book, on page four I think, is a poem and it's
called the Weird Kids, and thiswas actually the very first
thing that I kind of channelwrote and I always saw it as
being a children's book.
To me, growing up sensitive andnot knowing about it was the
(45:18):
hardest most ugh, just ugh,right.
And so I wanted to write aletter to the sensitive kids of
today and tomorrow, and that'swhat this poem is, and my friend
and illustrator is turning itinto a children's book so we can
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have it out.
So that a lot.
So they can all find out thatthey are good, that they are
wonderfully crazy andbeautifully inventive and can be
very strong and impactfulleaders.
Granddaughter Crow (45:57):
Wow, I love that Again.
Wwwsacredscienceenergycom.
Reach out to Laura.
Is there anything else that youoffer on your website that you
would like to invite people todiscover?
Do you do one-on-ones or whatare you up to on your?
Palmer (46:18):
website.
Do you do one-on-ones or whatare you up to on your website?
We do remotes and actually oneof the fun things that we've
started working a lot with aboutI've forgotten what month it is
about a year and a half, maybetwo years now We've been working
with fairy energy Nice and thatfairy energy is really nice.
(46:42):
On a remote level it's actuallya lot more powerful.
Clients across the world,multi-continents, have been able
to feel the energy and it'sactually potentially more
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effective than in person.
We do in person in our office,but that distance, remote Reiki
with the fairy is a whole lot offun.
Granddaughter Crow (47:09):
I love it.
We might have to have you backon the show talking about the
fae and the fairies and all ofthat.
I think that that would belovely.
So thank you so much for takingthe time.
You guys, please take a look atthis book.
Like I said, if you have alibrary or a bookshelf full of
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HSP, empathic books, this one isa must, because it expands the
mind to reach back to what itcould look like in history.
It expands the mind to thinkthat we are leaders, not just
all psychics.
It expands the mind and artists.
It expands the mind tounderstand that we too can go
(47:58):
awry, you know.
But anyway, Laura, thank youfor being on the show.
Palmer (48:05):
Thank you for having me.
Granddaughter Crow (48:07):
Absolutely, and thank you, guys for
listening to yet another episodeof Belief, being and Beyond.
Like, subscribe, share.
This one is a really empoweringone.
Even if you have been 50 yearsin your craft, this is going to
expand your mind.
This is new informationcollected by a historian as well
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as a doctoral person whoresearches and works with highly
sensitive people.
And until next time.
I love you.
See you on the flippity flip.
Welcome to Belief being and Beyond with
your host, granddaughter Crow.
Hi everybody, granddaughterCrow here with yet another
episode of Belief being andBeyond and I brought someone
back to the show because theyhave a fantabulous new book out.
(00:22):
I think we might have mentionedit, but here it is in the flesh
.
I guess the book is in theflesh.
It is Celebrating Sensitives,and I have with me Dr Reverend
Laura Palmer, phd.
Say hello to everyone.
Palmer (00:44):
Laura, hi everybody, it's an honor to be here.
Granddaughter Crow (00:48):
Oh, thank you.
Let me give you guys a littlebit more background around Laura
.
Dr Reverend Laura Palmer sograduated from the University of
Sedona with a PhD in holisticlife counseling and a Reiki
master teacher.
That's some good energy.
(01:08):
That is some good energy.
She specializes in counselinghighly sensitive people highly
sensitive people, which I am andshe is, and I love highly
sensitive people.
She loves supporting highlysensitive people or HSPs,
however she can.
She does live in the foothillsof Colorado, so she's right up
(01:31):
the road from me Okay, mayberight up the hill from me and
also so she lives west of Denverwith her mom and her rescue dog
, sophie.
Also, dr Laura Palmer is ahighly sensitive person herself
and has spent a better part ofthe last decade learning,
experimenting, practicing allthings metaphysical and
(01:54):
combining her two greatinterests history which she's a
history buff and highlysensitive people.
And this is what she brings tous is this book.
If you want to read more andconnect with Dr Reverend Laura
Palmer, you can reach her atwwwsacredscienceenergycom and I
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will drop that in the notes.
But today we get to talk allthings sensitive, and I was.
I love talking all thingssensitive with you, laura,
because you do the research.
You don't just go well, I feellike this.
So it must be true, you knowyou get, you do all the research
(02:44):
, and so for the listenersdefine highly sensitive person.
Palmer (02:49):
Just really briefly in case they don't know uh, briefly
, just buy the bookx of thecharacter trait, which that's
actually what I love about.
(03:09):
It is a character trait.
It's not a good thing, badthing, it just is, and I love
the fact that we see itthroughout all cultures and all
history points, and we see itall over the place.
But the crux of it really isthe fact that we are sensitive
(03:30):
to.
We are what is it?
We are sensitive to the subtleenergies of our environment.
Granddaughter Crow (03:36):
Oh yeah.
Palmer (03:37):
Right and everything, elaine Aaron and you taught this
to me, granddaughter Crowe wasthat that that acronym of does
right the deep, deep processing,over stimulation, emotional and
sensitive to the subtleenergies.
But if you kind of think aboutit and you reverse it, you can
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see how the oversensitizationand the emotions and the deep
processing all stems from beingable to read the room, being
sensitive to those environments.
So in my opinion, in myexperience, that's really the
key that makes us a littledifferent.
Granddaughter Crow (04:17):
I love that and it is very, very true.
So does I love that depth ofprocessing, overstimulation,
emotional and sensitive to thesubtleties of the environment,
you know.
So, celebrating Sensitives thisis interesting book that took a
long time to research and puttogether and I really want to,
(04:42):
without further ado, I want tojump in.
It is celebrating thesensitives, what we can learn
from historical sensitivepersons and how they are and how
to be empowered like they were.
And so, like your book isbroken out into like three
points or three parts.
The first one talks in depthabout what is a sensitive and it
(05:06):
goes into that does acronymthat you just spoke of, and it
does all this research and itexplains and gives examples and
it goes on so that by the timeyou're done with part one, you
got a pretty good handle on thetraits.
And I love to, because I thinkat first, when Dr Elaine Aaron
(05:28):
coined the phrase highlysensitive person, that they were
kind of like is this acondition or is it a personality
trait?
And only to find out it's notlike a condition, it's not a
disorder, it's a trait, we wereborn like this.
(05:53):
And the first part is reallypacked full of that and it's a
really good review for those whohave been studying being an
empath.
The beauty around this book iswhat you bring, which is the
history.
The beauty around this book iswhat you bring, which is the
history, showing us, throughouthistory, different historical
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figures that land in thesecategories, based on the traits
and what they did, and alsobased on you know, their lived
experience, their history,history, their personal
experience, as well as yourperception of them.
And I love how you break it outso like.
You have a part where it talksabout where I would actually see
religious figures and artists.
That's almost like a no-brainerfor me that highly sensitive
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people are going to be religiousfigures and artists.
But then you go into theinventors and you go into the
leaders, because a lot of timeswe think, oh, they're too
sensitive to be a leader.
Oh, no, not necessarilyno-transcript, just a eureka, or
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how did it happen?
Palmer (07:29):
Kind of actually it was a combination, it was COVID, and
as a history buff, with allthis kind of new open time, I
started watching even morehistorical documentaries and
even more.
And I think it was AbrahamLincoln that I started watching
even more historicaldocumentaries and even more.
And I think it was AbrahamLincoln that I was watching a
documentary on probably one ofKen Burns pieces and I went
(07:56):
outside and I started walkingaround.
I'm like you know what?
Abraham Lincoln surprisinglyhad a lot of character traits
that matched up with the HSP.
And I'm like, well, it's not,like you know, hsp's were born
the minute that Elaine Aaronpublished this book.
Right, well, we've been aroundfor a long time and so that's
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what I started to kind ofresearch it more and more and I
did get the inkling.
And I did get the inkling.
So for a while now I've beenkind of searching my soul and
things to find the subjects towrite a book about, but
everything felt derivative andnot worthy of killing treats.
This idea of combining the twoand kind of explaining and
(08:44):
potentially even extrapolatingout that character trait even
further really felt tree killingworthy.
And they all agreed with me.
They were like, yes, you may.
So I actually that's how Iactually got into the PhD
program, because, knowing myself, I knew that I wanted to do
(09:05):
this.
But I also knew that if Ididn't have a reason to or
something to really push me,some kind of accountability,
that I would just drop it likeseveral other projects I've got
in my closet.
And so, um, I checked with myadvisor before I signed up and I
said this this is going to bemy doctorate, this is going to
(09:26):
be my dissertation, whichprogram will get me the ability
to do that?
And so that's pretty much howwe went on, and then, about four
years later, we got it done.
Granddaughter Crow (09:39):
Love it.
Talk about begin with the endin mind.
I think that Stephen Covey saidthat Begin with the end in mind
.
I think that Stephen Covey saidthat Begin with the end in mind
.
And most people who have adoctorate, that's very difficult
to figure out what you wantyour dissertation to be about,
and you were just like I want mydissertation to be about this.
Let me go ahead and get adoctorate inside of a program
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that allows it to be so.
I love it.
Build it backwards, I love it.
Allows it to be so.
I love it.
Build it backwards.
I love it.
I also really enjoy thisbecause you make a good point in
that when Dr Elaine Aron wrotethis book, when did she write it
?
Like 1986 or 96?
96.
Okay, was the first yearpublished?
Was the first year published?
(10:21):
And she coined the phraseearlier HSP, highly sensitive
person.
But we didn't just start beingborn when she coined the phrase.
We were here without not anidentity but a category, right?
Palmer (10:42):
And a lot of it.
You can see where, like even um,a lot of characters in in
literature.
You can see where that sensitivehistorically, we were the
nervous type, we were theartistic temperament, we were
the um ones that had the nervoustics or whatever.
(11:03):
But when you actually look atit in a different way, you start
to see like, oh, I mean, thisis just start popping up all
throughout history and Iactually only I focus the ones
that are in the book I focusedon because there is so much rich
information about them, right,and so I could get those
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childhood stories, because thereis so much rich information
about them, right, and so Icould get those childhood
stories, I could get the littlequirks and all of those
wonderful things.
There are others that I have asuspicion were, such as Nero and
potentially Caligula andpotentially Caligula, but I
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don't, we don't have the recordsand I can't find the stories or
the proof to back that up.
So we really kind of,unfortunately, the historical
documents start to get reallygood around the 15th or 17th
century, 1600s, so it focuses onthe ones before, but we still
got them everywhere.
Granddaughter Crow (12:05):
Love it.
I absolutely love it.
Give us.
Can you give us like choose oneof them that you wrote about
and give us a little bit likemore of like what was it like a
religion?
We already know that one, butthis the inventors.
Like give us a little bit moreinformation about that.
(12:29):
Like choose one of theinventors.
Palmer (12:31):
OK, one of my favorite inventors is Tesla.
Nikola Tesla, not the car, notthe company of today, right, but
we're talking about the man.
Right, but we're talking aboutthe man, one of the things that
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inventors when you start tothink about it.
We know that Elaine Aronactually did a study with fMRIs
right, the functional MRIs anddiscovered that the neural
pathways of a sensitive aredifferent than a non-sensitive.
As a result, that means wethink differently, we think out
of the box and with that in mind, inventors become a natural
umbrella, a natural category.
For that we know that he wassome.
(13:26):
Ocd is probably an easy, kindway to describe him.
In the book we document howsome woman at a party was
wearing pearl earrings and itjust drove him to madness.
There was one point actually,it was really interesting.
There was one point actually itwas really interesting About 18
(14:00):
months before Tesla had hisvery first breakthrough with his
invention and I can't rememberthe invention, but he had to put
padding under the feet of hisbed Because the traffic going by
the front of the building wouldjust set him on edge.
He could hear a pocket watchticking across the hall three
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doors down.
Granddaughter Crow (14:28):
Yeah, that's , highly sensitive right.
Palmer (14:31):
Right and of course, we didn't have any techniques then.
His best known technique wasspending time in nature, which
we find a lot of these.
That's a big recurring pattern,for many of them is just go
walk around in nature, but TessaI also.
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I find it very interesting thathe had this breakdown and mere
months before he had abreakthrough Wow, which is very
telling for humanity and forsensitives.
Granddaughter Crow (15:07):
I love that, I absolutely love that.
So I broke down about sixmonths ago, so maybe I'll have a
breakthrough coming up here ina little bit.
You know what I'm sayingAbsolutely, I love that.
Okay.
So here's another question foryou what drove the different
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groups?
Like I said, you have thereligious figures and artists,
you have the inventors and allof that.
You also have leaders, and thenyou have the less than lovable,
highly sensitive people, whichwe will get to because I love
(15:49):
that.
What?
How did you categorize that?
How did they finally find theircategory?
Palmer (15:55):
I really kind of fell into place, actually, just as I
was kind of going, oh what aboutthis one?
What about this one?
And it was really my ultimategoal was to get to those leaders
.
I wanted to show the examplethat sensitives make great
leaders.
The intuition, the empathy,high, highly intelligent, so
(16:19):
that we can strategize and thinkout of the box those all our
qualities, beautiful, wonderfulleaders.
But I felt like I had to kindof walk us up to the, to the
concept of that, and so westarted with the softball of the
religious and the artistic, andthen the inventors, which is a
little bit out of the box, andthen the leaders, so that once
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we did get completely out of thebox, it wasn't so crazy.
Granddaughter Crow (16:44):
I love that because it's true.
I mean, especially in what Iwould say the left
hemisphere-centric meaning, ourbrain is very logical, it's
centered around logic in theUnited States in 2025 and has
been in the United States for awhile, and so this idea of being
(17:08):
sensitive, it really is like,but that's different than logic,
because, you know, isn't thisperson who's like, highly
sensitive?
You know depth of processingand stimulation, over
stimulation and emotion?
How could they rise to be aleader?
And I think that you being ableto show us what that looks like
(17:30):
, not only explain it, because,like you just did, they are
going to have that empathy, theyare going to have that depth of
processing, they are going tohave that intuition to go
something, that gut check orwhatever, and yet they rise to
leadership.
And then you give us primeexamples.
Could you give us one of thoseexamples of one that just pops
(17:52):
into your mind?
One of the leaders?
Palmer (17:56):
There's several that want to talk.
Granddaughter Crow (17:58):
Let's go for it.
Palmer (18:01):
We always, we always love Eleanor Roosevelt.
She's one of our favorites um,um because she was the mother of
the country through thedepression and world war I and
she still maintained.
What I love about her is a lotof.
At the time people justgravitated.
(18:22):
She was like a warm comfortblanket.
She was like a cozy blanket ofcomfort during some of the
really tough times of the 20.
For me, um, was that eleanorroosevelt had a meditation room
(18:43):
in the white house and was veryadamant that when they were
developing and planning theunited nations, that they have a
meditation, prayer room, quietroom.
I love that.
Wow, I love her.
Yeah, she's one of my absolute.
(19:06):
She's a strong one for me.
Granddaughter Crow (19:08):
I love that.
That's such a I mean.
Palmer (19:13):
And we were able to track down her meditative
process, and it is in the bookwell, you guys, let's all
meditate like elena luceval,let's do it, let's do it.
Granddaughter Crow (19:30):
I, I absolutely love that, because
meditation for me, um, Ipractice it off and on
throughout my life, but I'm intoit right now and have been into
it for the last, well, sincethe beginning of February.
So we're recording this at theend of April for the last three
months and I'm going to continuethis process of meditation and
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where it takes me and there'sall different forms and stuff,
but where it takes me is to myinner stillness, so I can hear
my voice.
And practicing it and doing adaily practice of that helps me
to return to that daily voicevery, very quickly and I don't
get lost.
And so the fact that the leaderand the female, you know first,
(20:16):
all of it is like wow, let's.
Yeah, she's one of my favoritetoo.
Who else?
Who else is?
You said a few want to comeforward, so pick another one
well, we, we.
Palmer (20:28):
It's easy now to understand how abraham lincoln
was a sensitive right, now thatwe kind of are a little more
familiar with the, with thecharacter trait we can see.
Oh yes, of course what I lovemost about him is that we can
see the arc of his character gofrom.
(20:50):
He was, he was always anabolitionist right, but there
are new documents that arecoming out that says, okay, he
does believe that all men shouldbe free, but he also believes
that there are only certainpeople that should be jurors and
government leaders.
And we see this arc.
He grows um and he changes andhe modifies and he opens up and
(21:15):
he changes the country and hechanges our world.
And it's fun to see that kindof soul growth um in somebody
and to to watch it, read it,read back and really enjoy it
yeah, that's amazing.
Granddaughter Crow (21:35):
And you know that brings up another point of
that as a sensitive, our soulscontinue to grow.
And another thing, because I'mabout ready to shift into the
less lovable ones.
But what I love about this isthat it complements any
(21:57):
sensitive collection or library,if you will, because it
actually goes back and reviewsvery well-known historical
figures and shows us what it waslike before and what tools they
had to create for themselvesbecause they didn't have a Dr
(22:18):
Reverend Laura Palmer tellingthem oh, walk outside into the
natural world and you'll feel alittle better.
You know they had to figure allof that out by themselves and
that it also speaks to likesometimes when people find a
title or a label and theyidentify with it like I'm a
(22:38):
highly sensitive person.
That doesn't mean that I amintroverted.
Hermit need to behave like this, and I probably have.
You know, maybe I'm going tohave OCD in the future.
You know it's that there areall shapes and sizes and colors
(22:58):
of different how we work withthis tool, this character trait
of being highly sensitive, andwe get to see examples of that.
I mean so for me you kind ofbroaden the scope where it's not
like oh, we're all church mice?
Oh no, we're not.
Did you get?
Palmer (23:31):
surprised at all.
As you were going through that,you kind of found some and
you're just like I had that makesense but I wouldn't have.
I was surprised and notsurprised to find so many HSPs
as American founding fathers.
It's a piece that I'm workingon an Oracle deck right now and
so they're going to be in thatone.
(23:51):
So they're not all.
They're not in this one, Idon't think, but many, many of
our founding fathers were HSPs.
Wow, which I'm like.
Thank you, Can you come backand help us again?
Granddaughter Crow (24:09):
It actually makes a lot of sense because I
think I think you brought thisinformation to me there was a
study that Dr Elaine Aaron'sfriends she had biology friends
and they also did a study onover 100 other species and found
(24:29):
out that there was the normal15%, 20% of those populations
that also held these traits.
And so then they believe thebiologists think that well,
they're here for the survival ofthe population because they are
(24:51):
sensitive towards new stimuliwith the environment.
Palmer (24:58):
We're famous for being both either early adopters, like
Lincoln.
He was one of the reasons himwinning the presidency was an
absolute surprise.
Him getting the nomination washe just came out of nowhere at
the convention prize.
Him getting the nomination washe just came out of nowhere at
(25:19):
the convention.
But his candidacy, his campaignwas, and throughout his entire
presidency was all because hecapitalized on new technology.
He was an early adopter of thenewspapers and the telegraph, so
he could clearly communicateand say, nope, nope, that's not
what my speech said, this iswhat it said.
So he was able to do that.
(25:40):
So part of us are early adopters.
We get excited, we like newtoys, we play with them, another
.
But the opposite of that isalso true.
Where we're waiting seers right.
We're kind of like, okay, sothere's this new technology,
this brand new wrangled thingcalled the satellite, and we're
just going to wait and see andsee how it happens and how it
(26:02):
develops, and so it's that waitand see that really kind of does
help the species.
We're like, okay, I know thisis cool and this is nifty and
everything, but let's, let'sjust kind of rein it back a
little bit and and just see howit flows and and and where it
(26:23):
goes, before we go all hog wild.
So but I do.
I love the fact that it's beenpostulated that every species on
this planet, 20% of us, areHSPs, and I see it in dogs, I
see it in cats, I see it in alot of the domesticated, and
it's just thrilling to considerthat our planet is a sensitive
(26:47):
one.
Granddaughter Crow (26:48):
Yeah, and it also is really interesting
because I think back in the dayin at least the business world,
when Dr Lynn Aaron was bringingthis book out, we were just then
going in with, like DanielGoldman and emotional
intelligence and all of thesebooks, kind of bringing to the
(27:11):
forefront of the business world,of the business world that, you
know, emotions are good people.
We're not on, you know, on theline with a number in building a
Ford.
You know, team model Ford.
You know we are literallyindividuals and so this idea is
starting to come out and it'sstill shaping.
(27:33):
And then you take us into thisunderstanding.
Oh yeah, and they were alwayshere, let's take a look.
So here's a, here's a questionfor you.
Um, I do enjoy the part whereyou say the less than lovable or
likable, highly sensit.
(27:54):
And you actually put aprecursor in that chapter where
you're just like, if this getsyour gut wrong, skip it, you
know, because the idea, I thinkthat as a highly sensitive
person, it makes me feel like,oh well, I'm special and I'm
(28:15):
good and I can do no wrong.
I have these gifts.
I might be clairvoyant, I havegood intuition.
So how could a person withthose gifts go to the dark side,
but it happens.
People Look at Darth Vader.
Look at Darth Vader.
I don't think Darth Vader is inthe book, but he could have
(28:36):
been a highly sensitive.
No, I'm just playing.
So the idea I think that youare introducing, for the first
time I've ever seen it, the ideathat, yeah, you are gifted, but
what you do with your giftsreally matter.
So why did you write thatchapter and what did you find?
Palmer (28:53):
And give us an example you write that chapter and what
did you find?
And give us an example.
Um, I really did find that.
Um, it's straight up, acharacter, straight trait.
It is neither good nor is itbad and it is completely on you
and your soul and yourresponsibility as to what you do
(29:14):
with that gift.
We do carry a lot of energy andpower and with that comes a lot
of responsibility.
So we need to be very aware ofand I think sensitives already
are.
Sometimes we become paralyzedby oh, is this going to be okay?
But some of us, the ego gets inthe way, and so it's really a
(29:38):
matter of balance and noticingthat this is a trait, just like
me having brown gray hair andhazel brown, boring eyes.
It's the same kind of thing.
Somebody has blue eyes.
What are they going to do withit?
I've got pink eyes.
What am I going to do with that?
So, along with the, there's agreat it was a Netflix short
(30:06):
lived series about with KathyBates, where somebody was doing
a podcast, where somebody wasdoing a podcast and the it was a
couple and she was like wow,you're so in psychic, you're so
intuitive.
And he's like yeah, it's a gift, it's a curse, it's a curse and
(30:27):
I'm like right, and it's really.
It can be either way.
It's a matter of how you chooseto accept it, if you do, and a
matter of what to do with it andhow.
Either way, it's a matter ofhow you choose to accept it, if
you do, and a matter of what todo with it and how you do it.
Yeah, I'm not going to say theobvious one.
Granddaughter Crow (30:45):
Okay, we'll save it for the book.
If you guys want to know theobvious one, you got to pick up
the book.
Where can they really quick?
Where can people get your bookjust?
Palmer (30:55):
Well, it's available on my publishers.
It's Sunbury Press.
It's available on Amazon.
It's a free Kindle download.
Actually, if you have issueswith iSight or something like
that, the Kindle is an option.
It's on a lot of thrift books,a-books, those kind of places
and some local bookstores in theDenver metro area.
Granddaughter Crow (31:18):
Absolutely and basically.
I'm pretty sure that if youwalk into your favorite
bookstore, buy local and askthem to order this book, you
know, just ask them.
Say I would like to buyCelebrating Sensitive by Dr
Reverend Laura Palmer, please.
(31:40):
This is what it looks like, andthen you will be off to the
races and be able to find outwho she's talking about when she
says the obvious one.
So go ahead and give us a lessthan obvious bad guy.
Quote, unquote bad guy or lesslovable one who chose their
(32:02):
girst to be the curse.
Palmer (32:05):
Yeah right, um, I usually um, well, yeah, let's go
.
Oh, machiavelli okay, he okay.
So we're somewhat familiar withit.
The person has kind of beenlost through the work.
We now consider many cutthroatstrategies or actions to be
(32:31):
Machiavellian Right or somebodyto have a Machiavellian
personality.
The book I found because, likeI said, there's a lot of
information on him, um, and I umit's she postulates that
Machiavelli wrote the prince,which is the book that his
theories are based on, as asatire and Oops, and as a
(32:58):
handbook for sure, how tosucceed in without really trying
.
But also, eventually you willfail.
Machiavelli wrote more than justthe prints.
(33:19):
He wrote plays, he wrote songs,he wrote humor.
He had a great sense of humorand my one thing from him that I
have worked with and it took mea while to find this from him
find this energy.
He was an observer, an observerand potentially clear audience.
(33:45):
Actually, I almost know clearaudience.
Um, there's a, a story in one ofthe sources that I found, where
it was a combination.
There was a conversationbetween two people and I've
forgotten the names.
I think it's the Cardinal andBorgia.
(34:08):
Cardinal and Borgia Machiavelliwas present at the conversation
and he literally reports thathe stepped back from the
conversation, so he wasn'tinvolved in the conversation and
he consciously remembered everysingle word so that he could
(34:33):
faithfully and authenticallyreport the conversation back to
the leaders in Florence and I'mlike well, there you go.
Wow, so he's a really good oneto work with the observer.
He's also one that work withwhere, getting the clear message
(34:55):
out he wrote if this author isindeed true fact and he did
write in satire we need to makethat a little bit more clear the
next time.
Granddaughter Crow (35:09):
Right Oopsies, that's what I was like,
big oops.
Palmer (35:14):
Yeah, yeah.
But another one of my favorite,less than loving is Stalin.
Actually, ok, he, when you,when you consider that the idea
he was right there at thebeginning of the Communist
Manifesto and in the whole ideaof of equal work and everyone
(35:37):
should share right, equality,and all of that um, and so we
can see this sweet, loving um hewas, he loved to write poetry,
he was his poems were poet,published in a local newspaper.
He was a choir boy.
He was an award-winning umsinger for his choir and was on
(35:58):
his way to become a priest andso then he got involved with the
New Thought and all of the boysthere and started working more
for socialism and communism andso it kind of got derailed from
the priesthood.
Can see where, um,philosophically there's not much
(36:18):
difference really, um, with acouple of major minor
differences, um, but it's reallyum.
The most telling story that Ifound about stalin was um, he
was at the grave site of hisfirst wife and he said he was
(36:39):
burying his wife and he was soovercome with emotion that he
said this is where my empathyfor humanity ends, and that's
(37:05):
when we start to see him take aturn and that's when we start
seeing him, the ego takes over,and that's when he becomes the
man that we know him for whoakilling right, my eyes are
watering and I'm I'm speechless,I know um, yeah, herbert,
herbert hoover, another one inthat in the book um did
(37:30):
basically the same thing.
Um cut off his emotions, but hiswas the death of his dog,
speedy, speedy bozo.
But he was like nope, this istoo much, I'm stepping out of
the emotional arena and I'lljust go machiavellian and do
what I gotta do.
And the end justifies the meat.
Granddaughter Crow (37:50):
So it's fascinating that is, and you
know, I mean these are big, likebig.
We all know these people andresearch these people.
But it also on that macro level.
But it also shows on a microlevel, like, if you follow my
(38:11):
personal story, I was very, verysensitive and then I got ousted
by my family.
They kicked me out and thechurch kicked me out because I
questioned God and I kind of dida similar thing.
I didn't like say this is whereit ends, but I was just like I
am going to like, let's see whatthis.
(38:32):
I'm going to go to school, I'mgoing to work my way up in the
corporate America.
It's a dog eat dog world.
The end justifies the means.
And I was, you know, I was areally good cold person when I
was in that role.
I didn't know it, except for,you know, like if I was
interviewing a new vendor orsomething like that, after a
(38:55):
while I'd get to know them andthey would be like you are
intimidating as F and I'm likewhat are you talking about?
I feel nice in the inside, no,so it's a really strange thing
that.
And then, and then, thankfully,I came back, you know, and you
know swung back around, took acouple of hits over you know,
(39:19):
spiritual hits in order for meto to reawaken, but I did, and
so that is a part of a sensitivestory too, that you know.
We say that it's a curse, butbecause we feel so deeply, it's
not that I don't think that theycould turn it off, I just think
(39:43):
that they were like fine, thisis the world I'm living in, a
cold world and I think thatbeing an empath really does feel
like being a mirror, and youcan mirror positivity as much as
you can mirror, like the otherside.
(40:03):
I hate to say it, but I've doneit.
Yep, I've done it, and it kindof makes these people a little
bit more human.
But it also helps me to look atmy life and open up my mind to
some of those times probablywere me, as a highly sensitive
being, so hurt and crushed Imean seriously when my family
(40:28):
kicked me out and the churchkicked me out.
I was suicidal.
I was suicidal at the age of 17.
And it took me.
I had to shut it all down andgo.
That was all hogwash, that wasall hogwash and then move
forward and it took me.
What a good 17,.
I don't know.
(40:48):
10 plus 7 plus a good 17 yearsto heal before I was ready to
open back up.
And I did open back up about 20some odd years ago and now I'm
here.
But that's also a really goodthing to look for that.
I never heard of Laura, I meanDr Reverend Laura Palmer.
(41:09):
I know her as Laura, so I takeadvantage of that.
Palmer (41:14):
Laura's good too, I like that I love it.
Granddaughter Crow (41:17):
I love it.
You can call me Crow, I'll callyou Laura, I love it.
But that you really did do alot of work with this book
because, as a sensitive yougotta, you had to have come into
it with a little bit of biasand then look at these people
and go no way and put your biasaside and actually look at the
(41:42):
traits and everything was thedoctoral aspect of it I love it.
Palmer (41:50):
Yeah, we actually in the beginning.
It might be part one orsomewhere in there.
We actually apologize if wehave overstepped and are zeal to
make our case misrepresentedanybody, but we just love
sensitive so much that we seethem everywhere.
Granddaughter Crow (42:10):
Pretty sure that was the intro, Laura.
I think that was literally.
Maybe you say it a couple oftimes, but it really is.
Hey, by the way, I love youguys, but let's, let's go ahead
and and sit down and look at thebeauty around life without
(42:30):
labeling it as good or evil.
In our own human world, becauseof you know certain things.
I don't want to be knownhistorically.
Well, I do want to be knownhistorically, but I don't want
to be known for the bad stuffthat I've done.
Laura, I don't want to.
I want to be known for thispodcast.
I want to be known for knowingpeople like you.
(42:52):
I want to be known for that,you know, and so it's kind of
like it all matters, you know,and so it's kind of like it all
(43:23):
matters.
So what is in your future?
I know that we are putting thisout at the beginning of May and
we've got you and I have a booksigning that we're going to be
in the Denver metro area ortraveling through Colorado this
coming weekend, on Sunday, may4th, from two o'clock to four
o'clock in person book signingPlus.
We're just going to have a lotof chat.
Laura, dr Reverend, Laura Palmerand granddaughter Crow are
going to be sitting in the sameroom talking to and answering
questions.
So if you guys can, please,please, please, show up.
(43:44):
If you can't, you're talkingabout other things that you're
doing.
You you said a deck of cards.
What are you?
How's that going?
I think you might havementioned that last time too.
We're keeping track.
This is your accountability.
This is your accountability.
Belief being and beyond is drreverend laura palmer's
accountability for her projects.
(44:05):
So, yeah, tell us how's thatgoing and what does it go.
Palmer (44:09):
The first 44 card deck is written and just this morning
we started on the second 44card deck and they're split, as
you um, into left brained andright brained, so the expected
hsps and the non-expected, andwe haven't worked out the terms
for that yet, um, but um, wehave an um an artist on board
(44:35):
and she's um chomping at the bitto get those images for the
deck ready and going.
But I have her very busy on achildren's book.
Granddaughter Crow (44:47):
What I want to hear more of this.
What is this?
Palmer (44:51):
So in the book, on page four I think, is a poem and it's
called the Weird Kids, and thiswas actually the very first
thing that I kind of channelwrote and I always saw it as
being a children's book.
To me, growing up sensitive andnot knowing about it was the
(45:18):
hardest most ugh, just ugh,right.
And so I wanted to write aletter to the sensitive kids of
today and tomorrow, and that'swhat this poem is, and my friend
and illustrator is turning itinto a children's book so we can
(45:39):
have it out.
So that a lot.
So they can all find out thatthey are good, that they are
wonderfully crazy andbeautifully inventive and can be
very strong and impactfulleaders.
Granddaughter Crow (45:57):
Wow, I love that Again.
Wwwsacredscienceenergycom.
Reach out to Laura.
Is there anything else that youoffer on your website that you
would like to invite people todiscover?
Do you do one-on-ones or whatare you up to on your?
Palmer (46:18):
website.
Do you do one-on-ones or whatare you up to on your website?
We do remotes and actually oneof the fun things that we've
started working a lot with aboutI've forgotten what month it is
about a year and a half, maybetwo years now We've been working
with fairy energy Nice and thatfairy energy is really nice.
(46:42):
On a remote level it's actuallya lot more powerful.
Clients across the world,multi-continents, have been able
to feel the energy and it'sactually potentially more
(47:03):
effective than in person.
We do in person in our office,but that distance, remote Reiki
with the fairy is a whole lot offun.
Granddaughter Crow (47:09):
I love it.
We might have to have you backon the show talking about the
fae and the fairies and all ofthat.
I think that that would belovely.
So thank you so much for takingthe time.
You guys, please take a look atthis book.
Like I said, if you have alibrary or a bookshelf full of
(47:33):
HSP, empathic books, this one isa must, because it expands the
mind to reach back to what itcould look like in history.
It expands the mind to thinkthat we are leaders, not just
all psychics.
It expands the mind and artists.
It expands the mind tounderstand that we too can go
(47:58):
awry, you know.
But anyway, Laura, thank youfor being on the show.
Palmer (48:05):
Thank you for having me.
Granddaughter Crow (48:07):
Absolutely, and thank you, guys for
listening to yet another episodeof Belief, being and Beyond.
Like, subscribe, share.
This one is a really empoweringone.
Even if you have been 50 yearsin your craft, this is going to
expand your mind.
This is new informationcollected by a historian as well
(48:28):
as a doctoral person whoresearches and works with highly
sensitive people.
And until next time.
I love you.
See you on the flippity flip.
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