February 25, 2025 • 43 mins
The conversation weaves through the interconnectedness of our shadows and our ancestors, exploring how past traumas shape our current identities. We discuss the significance of shadow work, and express the need for healing not just personally, but collectively as a society.
• Importance of recognizing ancestral shadows in healing
• Importance of realizing ancestral gifts, too
• The complexity of personal identity and legacy
• Past lives and their influence on present experiences
• Encouragement to embrace one’s shadow for holistic well-being
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Granddaughter Crow (00:00):
Welcome to Belief, being and Beyond with
your host, granddaughter Crow.
Hi everybody, granddaughterCrow here for yet another
episode of Belief, being andBeyond Shadow Talk Series.
So let me kind of outline whatthe Shadow Talk Series is about.
Then I'll introduce who is onthe shadow talk series.
(00:23):
So if you go towwwgranddaughtercrowcom you'll
see it all together, or you canjust peruse through my YouTube
channel at granddaughter crow.
But basically, the first one isme interviewing Stephanie
Michelle on chakras and yourshadow shadow work.
Then it's Stephanie Michelleinterviewing me on my Shamanism
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and your Shadow.
And then Jeffrey Gray steppedin, and this one, he is my
beloved husband.
He also is the writer or theauthor of all of the Ingress and
Portal journeys that we do.
So he's that person, theIngress and Portal journeys that
we do.
So he's that person.
And we also have StephanieMichelle here, wonderful author,
educator, shadow worker, and sowe're going to be doing.
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Last time we did our personalexperience with the shadow.
This time we're going to bedoing more ancestral.
But before we do that, I reallylove to engage.
We really love to engage withthe listening audience and we
did get a wonderful commentbased on last week's
conversation.
It comes to us from Joelle andshe says oh, my goodness, I
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absolutely I'm paraphrasing.
I love that you guys brought upLucifer.
This I absolutely I'mparaphrasing.
I love that you guys brought upLucifer, because in Latin that
is the bringer of light.
In Greek, in Hebrew, it is thelight bearer.
And she said the correlationbetween the light bearer versus
what we've bastardized anddemonized Lucifer to be, the,
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and then enlightening yourshadow, was just unparalleled.
So I just wanted to say thankyou.
If you guys are listening tothis.
You have comments likes.
You want to hear about aspecific thing?
Leave it in the comments,message me on insta at
granddaughter crow, get incontact.
Text the show.
So, beyond that, we are doingthis series and so we've got the
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first one, the second one withthe interview last week with the
personal, we'll be doing twomore and then we're going live
on Saturday night at 3 pmPacific Time, 6 pm Eastern Time,
march 15th.
Mark your calendar.
Nevertheless, shadow Talk withStephanie, michelle, jeffrey
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Gray and granddaughter Crow.
Our last time we really lookedat our individual personalized
stories, but it goes beyond that, right.
So we're going to be talking alittle bit about the beyond with
the shadow more than justourselves.
So the question I'm going topose and then I'll answer it and
we will do the round robinagain with Stephanie after me
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and then Jeffrey Gray With doingshadow work.
Do you this first a yes or noquestion, and hopefully you
answer yes, because then thatleads on to the second part of
the question.
No, I just, I just I know weall agree.
Okay, so the first is a yes orno question.
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Comes through your ancestralline and or your DNA, or, if you
feel away from your ancestorsand your DNA, does it come
through maybe the family unitthat you had initially and their
shadows carried on like throughthe roots of a tree?
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I am going to go ahead andthrow it down.
My father was born in 1932, andsometimes I say approximately
1932, because he was born on thereservation, so he didn't need
a birthday until he went intothe governmental system that was
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laid out by the colonizers.
When he was taken from his home, out of the Hogan, put into
boarding school, they asked himwhen your birthday is, and so
they came up with this date.
He was placed into the boardingresidential schools that span
all across the America toinclude the United States as
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well as Canada, of colonizers orthinkers to get rid of the
Native American savage animallike not in a good way, like
granddaughter crow, I loveanimal like, but back then it
was more savage and I didn'trealize how much that ran
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through my blood until one daywe had a consultant.
I had a nonprofit and one of thepeople on the board said I have
a business consultant, I'll payfor him.
Let's just have a meeting.
Let him come over to your house.
He's been doing businessconsulting forever.
He's great, comes into thehouse.
I feel a little weird, but I'mlike maybe I just feel a little
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weird.
Sit down, not saying he's notsaying much.
You know, our mission is toinspire, to encourage, to
empower, you know, and toconnect the white body with the
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red body.
And I was drinking my water.
He didn't say anything.
My body started shaking,uncontrollably, tremors, and I
was like God, am I cold?
I'm not usually cold.
I'm holding my water glass andI'm.
My hand is just shaking.
I can barely get it up.
I'm like I've got a freakingdoctorate.
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Why am I intimidated?
I'm a business consultant.
Why am I intimidated At the endof me pouring out all of this
preciousness of the mission ofthe Eagle Heart Foundation and
how we're here to heal thewounds of the red and white body
and mend those relationshipswith all bodies, BIPOC, all of
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it.
You know he stood up, did anElon Musk salute in my dining
room and said I cannot be a partof it.
He said something to the effectof that we are diametrically
opposed that.
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I am a Christian white man thatgoes down to build houses and
to make the Native American getmore culture.
So basically, he was in myhouse.
He left, never, saw him again.
Maybe it was due to the spellsthat I did, maybe it was my
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ancestors winky face, not winkyface and I was just like my DNA
was traumatized.
I've never met this man before.
I've had my own persecution formy red body, but not like my
father had, not like myancestors had, but I do carry
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their blood and my body wastraumatized.
I did a lot of shadow work.
It brought up a lot of pain, tothe extent physical pain, where
I got an ailment.
I went down for the count.
I had to move it through mybody system in all ways shapes,
forms and colors.
Sorry for the visual, but it'sjust like there was a lot.
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And so sometimes when we arelooking at the shadow and having
these shadow talk dialogues.
Sometimes the shadow doesn'tnecessarily pinpoint it coming
from something that youpersonally have experienced
within your lifetime.
It could be something from yourancestors, from your DNA, from
your gender, from your firstcontact with a body of society
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that believes a certain way, andyou win in it.
So, mic drop, that's enough.
It's your turn, stephanie.
What do you think about that?
Stefani Michelle (08:35):
Well, I think that we are here for a reason
and the lightworkers right nowhave to resolve our own shadow.
We have to come into balancewith everything that you just
mentioned.
You had a physical response tothat man before he had his
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verbal response to you.
I believe that that is.
You may have heard that youresided in your grandmother, in
your great-great-grandmother.
Your eggs are you as an embryo,as an egg, were always in that
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lineage.
You know generational biology,you were there, you were
actually present in the feminineright.
So we're going to combine theancestor, the DNA, and the
female.
So, in my belief, as females,we are carrying the ancestors,
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we are carrying the generations,and so you had a visceral
response before.
You knew why, and part of thatis because you're psychic and
part of that is because you werethere with your grandmother and
your great-grandmother and youdid see it.
On a biological, you knowexperience because she, the eggs
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, carry the eggs, carry, theeggs, carry the eggs.
Now, another aspect of all ofthat is the reason why you and I
are writing.
The books that were written backin the 1940s created a
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structure, created a socialstructure.
The 1920s, the 1930s, the ofseduction, all of those um,
books on, essentially,manipulation and men being the
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patriarch, that we don't thinkabout those books.
Those books aren't advertisedsometimes you get them, you know
I'm mentioning right now butthey're so embedded.
That belief system, that art ofmanipulation is so embedded now
, 90 years later, 80 years later, because of the ancestral DNA,
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because of the socializedexpectation of those books,
socialized expectation of thosebooks.
And so the reason why I believeshadow work is so important for
lightworkers, for us, isbecause we cannot fight fire
with fire.
We cannot go in and be and saywell, I'm a pagan, so I don't
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believe what you believe, mrChristian.
I don't.
You know, I have these beliefsystems and now I'm going to
rise up.
And, mr Christian, I don't, youknow, I have these belief
systems and now I'm going torise up and battle your belief
systems.
It doesn't work.
We've seen it fail over andover and over and over again,
and the only way we can come toa global balance is coming to a
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personal balance, which is whywe have to take and resolve and
heal all of that damage, all ofthat damage, everything that
pushed our characteristics intoa dark place, into a pain of
suffering, into a place of umanxiety-induced behavior that we
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don't know where it's comingfrom.
We don't have consciousconnection of it because we
weren't conscious at the timethat it was happening to our
ancestors.
We didn't have thought.
We just had a little bit ofbiology and a little bit of
energy and then it grew and itgrew, and it grew through social
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structures, through experiencesof our family members.
Whether you're in contact withyour families or not, you still
have that cord of energy becauseof the biology.
You were in your mother's womb,who was in her mother's womb?
Who was in her mother's womb?
Who was in her mother's womb?
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And biology has proven that youwere there as an egg.
I can't remember the name, butyou know what I mean.
So this work is extremelyimportant and doing ancestral
recovery or soul retrieval isvery important and it's
important for us personally toto forgive.
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Now, I mean that in it's for uskind of way, you know that man
was experiencing the same sortof societal input imprinted into
his brain.
He's just a little bit morestrict with his belief systems
and is not open.
You have to be open, in myopinion, in this day and age, to
have dialogue.
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We are missing dialogue.
The greatest minds in the worldbecame great because of
dialogue.
They sat around tables withglasses of wine or glasses of
whiskey and they hadconversations and they had
thoughts and they thought aboutideas and they created ways to
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move forward.
We don't have that anymore.
Our brains are shut down.
We are programmed instead ofexperiencing, and there's so
much that we have to resolvewithin that imprinting.
We've allowed the imprinting tostart a hundred years ago and
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people are starting to wake upand what I mean, you know?
Yeah, sure, it's a spiritualawakening, but it's also a
unplugging of the matrix.
We're getting, we're seeing,okay, we're being programmed by
everything.
We watch everything.
We listen to 99.9% of thepopulation globally.
We can't have conversationswith each other anymore because
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our opinions have been siphonedinto one way or the other and
it's really unfortunate and thatwas by design.
That was by design, and you andI and other lightworkers and
shadow workers have to come backinto balance with all of that.
We have to be open to say, okay, I understand what you're
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saying.
Can we discuss this further inan open dialogue or something
like that.
I had a when I was in education.
I had a woman ask me what mybelief system was, what my.
I've had a lot of people ask melike what's my belief system,
what do I believe in terms ofspirit and religion?
And my answer is always Ibelieve in love, but I believe
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what you believe is true for youand I'll always I'll.
That is what your truth is.
What you believe is true foryou and I'll always I'll.
That is what your truth is.
What you believe is true foryou, whatever gives you peace is
true for you and what gives mepeace is true for me.
And she looked at me and shesaid I think you're still lost.
And I said okay, I understandthat and thank you for your
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opinion.
And that was it.
She was not open to who I was.
And I believe in love and Ibelieve that what you, that what
brings you peace in your heart,is what's true for you and what
works for you.
Granddaughter Crow (16:37):
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Thank you so much.
It just kind of makes it evenbetter that we're having the
shadow talk to kind of showpeople what dialogue looks like.
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And we do come from threedifferent points of view but we
kind of end up in a broadersense and this is what I love
with Belief, being and Beyond.
Just a really quick plug isthat whether you subscribe to
every person that I bring on theshow like what they say, don't
like some of it it is a buffetTake what you wish, take what
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you wish, and I also stand withStephanie on the divine as it
reveals itself to you is whereit's at, but always look for
more, because there's alwaysmore beyond.
So, jeffrey, Gray out and thenwe'll kind of go around again to
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comment um around ancestors dna.
Do you believe that trauma andshadow work come through that?
Jeffrey Gray (17:52):
absolutely okay, cool yeah and what.
Granddaughter Crow (17:54):
What do you have to say about that?
Jeffrey Gray (17:56):
okay.
So, um, listen, listen to bothof of you speaking.
The female on earth, you know,female species are, you know,
you're absolutely right thatthat is is what is perennial, is
what is uh, um, even without, Imean, they're finding that,
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even without, you know, beingfertilized, there's a lot of
female species that reproduce,you know, on their own.
Reptiles can do it.
You know, um, insects do it,they're all I mean.
The female is the dominant,dominant uh thing that's needed
for the uh, for the perpetuationof our species right, yeah so,
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um, there's that, there's also,um, you spoke, uh, spoke of,
we're speaking of memories,right.
So, on my path, uh, there is,you know, I mean, there are two
ravens, hoogan and moonen.
One is thought and the other ismemory, and they sit on Odin's
shoulders, right.
So Munin is the female, hermemory is female, you know.
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So it just keeps going throughthere.
The Edda, which is all of thecombination of what was written
down, you know, in five, nine,76, and all of that old lore
that we pull from in the Northand on the North path, is the
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poetic Etta, and Etta meansgreat grandmother, grandmother,
you know.
So it's, it's all very truewhat you're saying and, as you
know, as a man, I see it, youknow, I mean, you can, you can
see it, if you, if you look.
The problem is, you know, um, uh, because I I consider myself a
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feminist, I mean very much so afeminist, and it is, uh, they
see a lot of empowered women, alot of empowered females.
I don't think that that's thebig issue.
I think the big issue is theseguys giving up that.
You know, that complete controlthat is prevalent in our
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society.
You know Western society, youknow Eastern society as well.
I mean, it's, uh, everything ismale dominated and it's become
that way.
And it's funny because, um andI don't want to go off on this
too much, but I've heard, so,you know, so many times that
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women are too emotional to lead,you know.
And then you look at this guy,all red-faced and screaming, you
know, screaming that at you andI always thought, really, who's
emotionally out of control here?
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Thank you so much.
The idea of the female carryingthe memory of the ancestors,
the memory of the DNA, you know,through it all, even in a
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spiritual way, in a biologicalway, and for me, in a very like
in a biological way, and for mein a very like that just
happened way.
So here's one out of left field.
How am I supposed to knowwhether part of my shadow comes
from my ancestors, my DNA orwhat?
Or does it even matter?
Do I just need to look at itand then, as it unfolds, I
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understand it more?
What do you think about that,stephanie?
Stefani Michelle (21:49):
You know, we get fixated on why and why has
its purpose.
You know, when you're thinkingabout being motivated or you're
thinking about moving forward,they always say find your why.
So finding why can absolutelyinspire you to move.
But, just like everything else,if we overindulge in why it can
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tip the scales.
It can become imbalanced notimbalanced.
So we get fixated on why andwhere.
Why do I feel this way?
Where did it come from?
And I don't think we need to dothat to such a degree.
Again, sometimes it's reallybeneficial, but sometimes we
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can't find the root cause,instead of saying, okay, here's
a face structure that doessomething to me viscerally, and
so let me just connect withthose emotions, let me connect
with how that feels.
And now, even now, I want tosay well, why do I feel that way
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?
Sometimes it's just no, okay, Idon't know why I feel that way.
I don't remember what's goingon, I just know I don't want to
feel that way anymore.
There's no reason why this typeof face structure.
You know, when you see, for meit used to be the light brown,
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almost tinted red hair that hada lot of freckles Irish, but not
that type of Irish looking.
It used to.
If I saw somebody who fell intothat category, it would give me
a visceral response and I don'treally have a connection for it
.
But I worked on it and I saidthere is no longer, I'm safe,
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there's no longer.
Whatever happened, there's nolonger happening, it's in the
past.
So I had to really like talk myenergy and my consciousness out
of having that experience overand over again, even though I
couldn't find a reason for it.
And I've done a lot of pastlife journeys for myself and for
other people.
I've done a lot of soulcreations for myself and for
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other people that when Icouldn't find a source for but I
knew that it was a ridiculousthing, that I would just judge
for no reason.
And now in my life I see thatface structure, that type of
person, and I think they'regorgeous and I think they're
beautiful and I love them.
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And I definitely you know wehave talked a lot, not you and I
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, but us in general, meaningwhite workers have been talking
a lot for years about you knowcoming the female energy coming
back into the dominant position.
You know coming the femaleenergy coming back into the
dominant position, the matriarchcoming back online, and I do
think the matriarch is comingback online, but not necessarily
in the dominant position.
What I believe is happening iswe're coming into balance.
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I think a long time ago, youknow, when we started the age of
Pisces, 2,000 years ago,everything separated Males and
females separated, godsseparated, energies separated
and we became fragmented.
And there are some things innature, like you mentioned, you
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can still see as having male andfemale abilities.
Essentially, for me, I thinkI'm going to always stay in this
body as Stephanie, michelle, asa female, but I want to be able
to embrace my masculine sideand live in harmony with her.
We have aspects that enhanceeach other.
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We have things that bring theother alive, and I see it coming
back into balance.
I love that.
Granddaughter Crow (26:14):
I love that and I just also I'm going to
comment about that.
But I also kind of want to tossa question, because we talked
about ancestors, we talked aboutDNA.
The question because we talkedabout ancestors, we talked about
dna, maybe just a few minuteson past lives, and if people
believe in past lives, can yourtrauma and shadow bleed through?
And if you don't, you know, hitthe like, subscribe and comment
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and we'll see you next time.
No, I just played.
Yeah, you know, it's kind ofinteresting, because a lot of
times we need to redefine whatwe mean when we are using terms
such as male and female, in thatwe're not always talking about
your biological gender, yoursexual orientation.
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We're talking about an ancientunderstanding of giver and
receiver.
We're talking about thousandsof years of yin and yang energy.
We're talking about the balanceand equilibrium that you see
within the natural world.
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So don't get hung up on, youknow any of that.
But I 100% agree.
I don't see that it works foranybody to dominate or rule over
, except for one's own self.
And I see that if we balance,because the feminine energy and
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the masculine energy, when theycome together, creation is born.
And that can come togetherright here, in my practice, in
your practice, in your poetry,whatever it is.
Jeffrey Gray (28:01):
I agree.
I agree, you know with what,what Stephanie said about it
being balanced, and you knowwhat.
You agreed with her too.
We can't, and you know, you'reabsolutely right.
We speak of, you know this, Isee an age and and separation,
and you know we put, we have to,and we dissect.
I mean that's our science, isto dissect nature, and it will
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be so much, you know it is.
We need the new, the new age,you know I mean it needs to, it
needs to switch up and we needto start on a different,
different trajectory as as aspecies, as a species, to make
this thing work.
And I think you know I mean itcould be beautiful, it will be a
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beautiful world.
I don't know how we're exactlygoing to get there, but nothing
is permanent but change.
Stefani Michelle (28:56):
Great, don't worry, we're getting there.
Granddaughter Crow (29:00):
We've always got that.
So we did go from ancestral toDNA.
What about past lives?
And we're starting to come tothe end?
So maybe just a few minuteseach on past lives or an
experience that you've had.
Stefani Michelle (29:14):
Stephanie, go ahead and then, Jeff, and then
I'll give you the most recentyears, this amazing
transformation I saw workingwith a woman through her past
lives.
She came to me and she wasriddled with anxiety, you know,
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always in a panic, where it'snot like she couldn't leave her
house, she was still.
She was a nurse, she is a nurse, you know.
She had her life, she was doingher day but she always had, you
know, the shakes and was reallyskinny because she wouldn't eat
.
You know a functioning ahundred percent all the time
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anxiety, but functioning insociety, and she could not shake
it.
She had very well known traumato her right.
So her growing up experience,definitely she had these.
I know this trauma.
I know this trauma, Iunderstand this and therapy
worked for some of it, right,but there was something else
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that she just could not put herfinger on and I did a past life
regression with her and I'm veryvisual, so I sometimes can just
see everything without I can'teven interpret it.
I'm just going to give you whatI see, I see, I see, I see you
tell me what it all means, right, and so I saw her in a burning
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house and there was a lot moreto the meditation, the visual,
the visions.
It's an hour and a half session, but essentially she was in a
burning house and she was theonly one that survived burning
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house and she was the only onethat survived.
So we talked about it and whathappens.
In my experience with the peoplethat I've worked with, she's
not the only one, but this was avery big moment.
Even you have no consciousmemory of it, of course, but
your body does, and so her bodyjust started wailing and crying
and releasing all of that and it.
You know, I sat with her for awhile and we worked through it
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and, um, now I think it's beenthree years no anxiety, total
confidence has.
Uh, not only is she still anurse, obviously, but she's the
director now of this veryprivate, you know, medical
institute thing.
It was almost immediate whereher anxiety disappeared because
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we pinpointed something that shecouldn't consciously hold on to
or attribute her anxiety to,but she felt it.
She felt it on a very physicallevel and just let it go.
I love it.
Granddaughter Crow (32:09):
I absolutely love that and congratulations
to her and to you for doing thatwork.
So what about you?
Past life, trauma past do youhave anything to say?
Along shadow work with havingto do with even past lives or
just dna in general?
Jeffrey Gray (32:29):
well, you can go genetically, you know, with with
our dna, you can go far back it.
You know it's your ancestors,it's your pathway, direct
pathway to your ancestors.
Um, but what I, uh, we were,you know, I was thinking about
shadows and just generationally,uh, I was thinking about that
(32:54):
black sheep in the family youknow where you've got, you've
got this family thing going on,and there's one, you know
there's, there's one, you knowthere's one, always one black
sheep or this.
You know these things like, well, it skips a generation or it
skips two generations.
You know, and this is alwaysconsidered, you know a, you know
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black sheep, a shadowy figure,and you know the one that
listens to the beat of adifferent drummer.
You know, I mean, they're stilldancing.
You know, maybe better thaneverybody're still dancing.
You know, maybe better thaneverybody who's following the
other drummer and I just thoughtthat was.
You know, I think we have a lotof shadows that follow us
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within our DNA, but I don'tthink that they're all dramatic.
I think you know, I mean it andit only makes sense if that
trauma is going to follow you,then your joy and your bliss and
your individuality or whateveryour creativity is through your,
through your genetic, it's agood point uh is going to follow
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you as well you know, I thinkuh the trauma is stands out
because it, you know, I meanit's so paralyzing for us, but
you know there's a lot you canaccess through through working
with your ancestors, working,you know, working with your DNA.
Granddaughter Crow (34:21):
I love that, you know, and it's kind of
interesting.
I like that you say we don'tneed a why.
We get to just experience.
A lot of times, when I write astory around, whatever I'm going
through, and try to find thewhy, I get lost in the why.
I too, whether you guys believein past lives or not, I do.
(34:43):
I have memory of some pastlives.
But I love what you said, thatyou don't only carry the trauma,
you also carry the joy, becausemy body will crave some.
You know fry, bread, mutton,you know on and on and on and on
.
And so another thing that Iwant to say so I agree and I
(35:07):
love what you said, stephanie,and I love how you're talking
about that.
Your beauty comes to because,people, as you think about the
shadow, let's not bastardize it,let's not demonize it.
What if you came from apowerful witch background but
you were raised in aChristianized household and your
shadow is hiding your power?
(35:30):
That's what I want to say aboutthat, to include DNA and all of
that.
As you work through these books, one thing and then I'll do a
really quick ground.
Drop in on what else do youwant to say?
These books, one thing and thenI'll do a really quick ground
drop.
And then what else do you wantto say?
But as you work through shadowwork, I really enjoy chakras and
shadow your shadow work becauseStephanie doesn't go oh, your
(35:55):
shadow work came from somethingelse.
Stephanie goes, it's here andyou can handle it here.
Let's take some responsibility,because ain't nobody's going to
do their work.
Let's go into each of thechakras and we do the same thing
.
It's kind of like, yeah, youcan say, well, that trauma
(36:15):
happened to me, this traumahappened to me, but at the end
of the day, the work that I needto do is right in here.
So I really love that's anothercorrelation that all three of
us encourage people to do innerwork in order to shine bright.
So, before we wrap it up,stephanie, do you have some last
(36:35):
words or points that you wantto share about this topic?
Then, jeff, and then I'll wrapit up.
Stefani Michelle (36:41):
I just love what you just said.
It is about the internal andgoing back to some, about being
fragmented.
Shadow work is pulling back inthose fragments and loving them
and being internal and beingwhole within yourself.
You know, shining the brightestlight from that wholeness,
including the shadow that isbehind you.
(37:04):
That wholeness, including theshadow that is behind you and
the shadow that you cast and thelight that you beam from your
heart, it's being whole and Ilove that and you have to do it
on the inside, you have to.
Granddaughter Crow (37:15):
Love that, I absolutely love that.
I also love that you mentionedsoul retrieval as well, and so,
before Jeff talks, I really wantto say listeners, you can go
through our books on your own orwith a group or with a licensed
therapist, wherever you are atis absolutely fine.
(37:35):
If you need somebody to holdyour hand with it, please reach
out and find somebody to holdyour hand with it.
So anyway, jeff, what do you?
Any final words that you wantto say around just this topic?
Jeffrey Gray (37:47):
Christian right, I think we have.
There were 13 colonies right inthe beginning.
Each one of those colonies werereligious.
(38:12):
You had to be going to, youknow, that church.
That's why there's Pennsylvania, you know that Dutch.
And you look at those oldcolonies and they were all like
that and they were all like that.
And, um, I was reading a book Ithink it's a god part of the
brain and they had.
The author had, you know, wastalking about how much in this
(38:34):
country especially, it is.
Um, we, you know, we have a lotof the spiritual beliefs of,
like a third world country.
It's crazy, but you look atwhat they're, you know what,
what the shame that they canthrow down on people.
You know, with this, with this,with their religious stance, I
(38:57):
don't even know if it's a beliefanymore, it's a stance.
You know it's, it's a, it's acudgel.
And you know realize that whenyou're working with your shadow
and realize where you are andwhat kind of shame you're
getting environmentally, thatit's not yours, you don't have
(39:17):
to own that.
You know.
You do not have to own that.
Granddaughter Crow (39:20):
I like that 100.
Because a lot of times, youknow, I mean shadow isn't just
the part of ourself that we hidefrom ourself, it's the part of
ourself that we hide from oursocial group in order to belong,
(39:40):
spiritually, on the same pageas you.
And you're still gettingpersecution from those inner
voices.
You know, recognize thatabsolutely recognize, absolutely
.
Jeffrey Gray (39:53):
I absolutely don't let them take your power don't
let them take your power.
Granddaughter Crow (39:56):
Who's the magician?
I am everybody with me.
Who's the magician.
Stefani Michelle (40:04):
Even those people who are arguing in the
stance are powerless to thebelief system they're
subscribing to.
They're.
They're giving away their powerto hyper focus on the agenda
they're trying to push and itstop.
Stop trying to push an agenda.
Be you, just be you, if that'swhat you want to believe.
Jeffrey Gray (40:28):
Fucking believe it .
Stefani Michelle (40:29):
Love it, be you have amazing conversations
across all categories.
Don't make me you.
I don't want to be a carboncopy of anybody else, and you
shouldn't want anyone else to bea carbon copy or subscribe to
your identity, because thenthat's where we all become.
(40:52):
The robots we're fearing aregoing to take over.
They're going to be us, we'regoing to be them, right?
So just allow each other tohave what they want to have and
believe what they want tobelieve.
Granddaughter Crow (41:07):
I love it and I really like that as far as
a point, because when I neededa shepherd, Jesus showed up.
When I needed a beautiful,powerful woman, Freya showed up.
When I needed to get out of myvictim stance, Lilith showed up.
When I needed to get out of myvictim stance, Lilith showed up.
That's why I say the divine asit reveals itself to you, and
(41:30):
but the whole key is is youdon't need to drink the Kool-Aid
and share it with everybodyelse because there's cyanide in
it.
I'm sorry.
We have to have another fiveminutes clearing up
granddaughter crow justeverybody's gonna have their own
Kool-Aid.
Stefani Michelle (41:46):
There's enough there's enough to go around.
I'm making my own, you makeyours, I'll make mine right,
it's like.
Jeffrey Gray (41:53):
It's like they say uh, you laugh at me because I'm
different, I laugh at youbecause you're all the same yeah
, it's a really good right,right, right well.
Granddaughter Crow (42:02):
Thank you all.
Just quick takeaways.
We shared about our personalexperience a little bit to kind
of open up our stories.
We also showed views about,beyond our stories, the history,
the memory that flows throughour DNA and the female body and
all of that kind of stuff.
Getting into past lives as wellas own your power, don't give
(42:28):
it away.
The shadow will help you getthere, and I had this really
cool thing that happened lastnight while I was falling asleep
I thought about a wolf, a fox,a bear.
When they get hurt, where dothey go?
They hide in the shadow, theygo be under a bush, they go into
(42:53):
their cave.
So if you are hurt and you needa cooling off period, the
shadow welcomes you.
It is natural and organic um.
Pick up chakras and your shadowwork, as well as shamanism and
your shadow um by granddaughtercrow and jeffrey gray, and I
(43:15):
really thank you guys for tuningin.
I just want to say you areloved and I actually love your
shadow too.
I love you being your greatnessas only you can be.
Be empowered, be empowered, beyourself.
Otherwise, thank you so much.
Like subscribe notification,all of it.
(43:37):
We'll love you.
See you on the flippity flip.
Welcome to Belief, being and Beyond with
your host, granddaughter Crow.
Hi everybody, granddaughterCrow here for yet another
episode of Belief, being andBeyond Shadow Talk Series.
So let me kind of outline whatthe Shadow Talk Series is about.
Then I'll introduce who is onthe shadow talk series.
(00:23):
So if you go towwwgranddaughtercrowcom you'll
see it all together, or you canjust peruse through my YouTube
channel at granddaughter crow.
But basically, the first one isme interviewing Stephanie
Michelle on chakras and yourshadow shadow work.
Then it's Stephanie Michelleinterviewing me on my Shamanism
(00:49):
and your Shadow.
And then Jeffrey Gray steppedin, and this one, he is my
beloved husband.
He also is the writer or theauthor of all of the Ingress and
Portal journeys that we do.
So he's that person, theIngress and Portal journeys that
we do.
So he's that person.
And we also have StephanieMichelle here, wonderful author,
educator, shadow worker, and sowe're going to be doing.
(01:14):
Last time we did our personalexperience with the shadow.
This time we're going to bedoing more ancestral.
But before we do that, I reallylove to engage.
We really love to engage withthe listening audience and we
did get a wonderful commentbased on last week's
conversation.
It comes to us from Joelle andshe says oh, my goodness, I
(01:40):
absolutely I'm paraphrasing.
I love that you guys brought upLucifer.
This I absolutely I'mparaphrasing.
I love that you guys brought upLucifer, because in Latin that
is the bringer of light.
In Greek, in Hebrew, it is thelight bearer.
And she said the correlationbetween the light bearer versus
what we've bastardized anddemonized Lucifer to be, the,
(02:01):
and then enlightening yourshadow, was just unparalleled.
So I just wanted to say thankyou.
If you guys are listening tothis.
You have comments likes.
You want to hear about aspecific thing?
Leave it in the comments,message me on insta at
granddaughter crow, get incontact.
Text the show.
So, beyond that, we are doingthis series and so we've got the
(02:27):
first one, the second one withthe interview last week with the
personal, we'll be doing twomore and then we're going live
on Saturday night at 3 pmPacific Time, 6 pm Eastern Time,
march 15th.
Mark your calendar.
Nevertheless, shadow Talk withStephanie, michelle, jeffrey
(02:47):
Gray and granddaughter Crow.
Our last time we really lookedat our individual personalized
stories, but it goes beyond that, right.
So we're going to be talking alittle bit about the beyond with
the shadow more than justourselves.
So the question I'm going topose and then I'll answer it and
we will do the round robinagain with Stephanie after me
(03:10):
and then Jeffrey Gray With doingshadow work.
Do you this first a yes or noquestion, and hopefully you
answer yes, because then thatleads on to the second part of
the question.
No, I just, I just I know weall agree.
Okay, so the first is a yes orno question.
(03:40):
Comes through your ancestralline and or your DNA, or, if you
feel away from your ancestorsand your DNA, does it come
through maybe the family unitthat you had initially and their
shadows carried on like throughthe roots of a tree?
(04:00):
I am going to go ahead andthrow it down.
My father was born in 1932, andsometimes I say approximately
1932, because he was born on thereservation, so he didn't need
a birthday until he went intothe governmental system that was
(04:22):
laid out by the colonizers.
When he was taken from his home, out of the Hogan, put into
boarding school, they asked himwhen your birthday is, and so
they came up with this date.
He was placed into the boardingresidential schools that span
all across the America toinclude the United States as
(04:44):
well as Canada, of colonizers orthinkers to get rid of the
Native American savage animallike not in a good way, like
granddaughter crow, I loveanimal like, but back then it
was more savage and I didn'trealize how much that ran
(05:09):
through my blood until one daywe had a consultant.
I had a nonprofit and one of thepeople on the board said I have
a business consultant, I'll payfor him.
Let's just have a meeting.
Let him come over to your house.
He's been doing businessconsulting forever.
He's great, comes into thehouse.
I feel a little weird, but I'mlike maybe I just feel a little
(05:32):
weird.
Sit down, not saying he's notsaying much.
You know, our mission is toinspire, to encourage, to
empower, you know, and toconnect the white body with the
(05:52):
red body.
And I was drinking my water.
He didn't say anything.
My body started shaking,uncontrollably, tremors, and I
was like God, am I cold?
I'm not usually cold.
I'm holding my water glass andI'm.
My hand is just shaking.
I can barely get it up.
I'm like I've got a freakingdoctorate.
(06:14):
Why am I intimidated?
I'm a business consultant.
Why am I intimidated At the endof me pouring out all of this
preciousness of the mission ofthe Eagle Heart Foundation and
how we're here to heal thewounds of the red and white body
and mend those relationshipswith all bodies, BIPOC, all of
(06:35):
it.
You know he stood up, did anElon Musk salute in my dining
room and said I cannot be a partof it.
He said something to the effectof that we are diametrically
opposed that.
(06:55):
I am a Christian white man thatgoes down to build houses and
to make the Native American getmore culture.
So basically, he was in myhouse.
He left, never, saw him again.
Maybe it was due to the spellsthat I did, maybe it was my
(07:15):
ancestors winky face, not winkyface and I was just like my DNA
was traumatized.
I've never met this man before.
I've had my own persecution formy red body, but not like my
father had, not like myancestors had, but I do carry
(07:36):
their blood and my body wastraumatized.
I did a lot of shadow work.
It brought up a lot of pain, tothe extent physical pain, where
I got an ailment.
I went down for the count.
I had to move it through mybody system in all ways shapes,
forms and colors.
Sorry for the visual, but it'sjust like there was a lot.
(07:59):
And so sometimes when we arelooking at the shadow and having
these shadow talk dialogues.
Sometimes the shadow doesn'tnecessarily pinpoint it coming
from something that youpersonally have experienced
within your lifetime.
It could be something from yourancestors, from your DNA, from
your gender, from your firstcontact with a body of society
(08:25):
that believes a certain way, andyou win in it.
So, mic drop, that's enough.
It's your turn, stephanie.
What do you think about that?
Stefani Michelle (08:35):
Well, I think that we are here for a reason
and the lightworkers right nowhave to resolve our own shadow.
We have to come into balancewith everything that you just
mentioned.
You had a physical response tothat man before he had his
(09:00):
verbal response to you.
I believe that that is.
You may have heard that youresided in your grandmother, in
your great-great-grandmother.
Your eggs are you as an embryo,as an egg, were always in that
(09:20):
lineage.
You know generational biology,you were there, you were
actually present in the feminineright.
So we're going to combine theancestor, the DNA, and the
female.
So, in my belief, as females,we are carrying the ancestors,
(09:44):
we are carrying the generations,and so you had a visceral
response before.
You knew why, and part of thatis because you're psychic and
part of that is because you werethere with your grandmother and
your great-grandmother and youdid see it.
On a biological, you knowexperience because she, the eggs
(10:06):
, carry the eggs, carry, theeggs, carry the eggs.
Now, another aspect of all ofthat is the reason why you and I
are writing.
The books that were written backin the 1940s created a
(10:28):
structure, created a socialstructure.
The 1920s, the 1930s, the ofseduction, all of those um,
books on, essentially,manipulation and men being the
(10:55):
patriarch, that we don't thinkabout those books.
Those books aren't advertisedsometimes you get them, you know
I'm mentioning right now butthey're so embedded.
That belief system, that art ofmanipulation is so embedded now
, 90 years later, 80 years later, because of the ancestral DNA,
(11:19):
because of the socializedexpectation of those books,
socialized expectation of thosebooks.
And so the reason why I believeshadow work is so important for
lightworkers, for us, isbecause we cannot fight fire
with fire.
We cannot go in and be and saywell, I'm a pagan, so I don't
(11:40):
believe what you believe, mrChristian.
I don't.
You know, I have these beliefsystems and now I'm going to
rise up.
And, mr Christian, I don't, youknow, I have these belief
systems and now I'm going torise up and battle your belief
systems.
It doesn't work.
We've seen it fail over andover and over and over again,
and the only way we can come toa global balance is coming to a
(12:00):
personal balance, which is whywe have to take and resolve and
heal all of that damage, all ofthat damage, everything that
pushed our characteristics intoa dark place, into a pain of
suffering, into a place of umanxiety-induced behavior that we
(12:25):
don't know where it's comingfrom.
We don't have consciousconnection of it because we
weren't conscious at the timethat it was happening to our
ancestors.
We didn't have thought.
We just had a little bit ofbiology and a little bit of
energy and then it grew and itgrew, and it grew through social
(12:46):
structures, through experiencesof our family members.
Whether you're in contact withyour families or not, you still
have that cord of energy becauseof the biology.
You were in your mother's womb,who was in her mother's womb?
Who was in her mother's womb?
Who was in her mother's womb?
(13:07):
And biology has proven that youwere there as an egg.
I can't remember the name, butyou know what I mean.
So this work is extremelyimportant and doing ancestral
recovery or soul retrieval isvery important and it's
important for us personally toto forgive.
(13:42):
Now, I mean that in it's for uskind of way, you know that man
was experiencing the same sortof societal input imprinted into
his brain.
He's just a little bit morestrict with his belief systems
and is not open.
You have to be open, in myopinion, in this day and age, to
have dialogue.
(14:02):
We are missing dialogue.
The greatest minds in the worldbecame great because of
dialogue.
They sat around tables withglasses of wine or glasses of
whiskey and they hadconversations and they had
thoughts and they thought aboutideas and they created ways to
(14:25):
move forward.
We don't have that anymore.
Our brains are shut down.
We are programmed instead ofexperiencing, and there's so
much that we have to resolvewithin that imprinting.
We've allowed the imprinting tostart a hundred years ago and
(14:45):
people are starting to wake upand what I mean, you know?
Yeah, sure, it's a spiritualawakening, but it's also a
unplugging of the matrix.
We're getting, we're seeing,okay, we're being programmed by
everything.
We watch everything.
We listen to 99.9% of thepopulation globally.
We can't have conversationswith each other anymore because
(15:08):
our opinions have been siphonedinto one way or the other and
it's really unfortunate and thatwas by design.
That was by design, and you andI and other lightworkers and
shadow workers have to come backinto balance with all of that.
We have to be open to say, okay, I understand what you're
(15:35):
saying.
Can we discuss this further inan open dialogue or something
like that.
I had a when I was in education.
I had a woman ask me what mybelief system was, what my.
I've had a lot of people ask melike what's my belief system,
what do I believe in terms ofspirit and religion?
And my answer is always Ibelieve in love, but I believe
(16:00):
what you believe is true for youand I'll always I'll.
That is what your truth is.
What you believe is true foryou and I'll always I'll.
That is what your truth is.
What you believe is true foryou, whatever gives you peace is
true for you and what gives mepeace is true for me.
And she looked at me and shesaid I think you're still lost.
And I said okay, I understandthat and thank you for your
(16:22):
opinion.
And that was it.
She was not open to who I was.
And I believe in love and Ibelieve that what you, that what
brings you peace in your heart,is what's true for you and what
works for you.
Granddaughter Crow (16:37):
So if you're enjoying the Belief, being and
Beyond podcast and would like tosupport it, I'm on Patreon.
Just go to Patreon,granddaughter Crow or you can
find it at granddaughtercrowcom.
Thank you so much.
It just kind of makes it evenbetter that we're having the
shadow talk to kind of showpeople what dialogue looks like.
(17:01):
And we do come from threedifferent points of view but we
kind of end up in a broadersense and this is what I love
with Belief, being and Beyond.
Just a really quick plug isthat whether you subscribe to
every person that I bring on theshow like what they say, don't
like some of it it is a buffetTake what you wish, take what
(17:23):
you wish, and I also stand withStephanie on the divine as it
reveals itself to you is whereit's at, but always look for
more, because there's alwaysmore beyond.
So, jeffrey, Gray out and thenwe'll kind of go around again to
(17:44):
comment um around ancestors dna.
Do you believe that trauma andshadow work come through that?
Jeffrey Gray (17:52):
absolutely okay, cool yeah and what.
Granddaughter Crow (17:54):
What do you have to say about that?
Jeffrey Gray (17:56):
okay.
So, um, listen, listen to bothof of you speaking.
The female on earth, you know,female species are, you know,
you're absolutely right thatthat is is what is perennial, is
what is uh, um, even without, Imean, they're finding that,
(18:20):
even without, you know, beingfertilized, there's a lot of
female species that reproduce,you know, on their own.
Reptiles can do it.
You know, um, insects do it,they're all I mean.
The female is the dominant,dominant uh thing that's needed
for the uh, for the perpetuationof our species right, yeah so,
(18:47):
um, there's that, there's also,um, you spoke, uh, spoke of,
we're speaking of memories,right.
So, on my path, uh, there is,you know, I mean, there are two
ravens, hoogan and moonen.
One is thought and the other ismemory, and they sit on Odin's
shoulders, right.
So Munin is the female, hermemory is female, you know.
(19:14):
So it just keeps going throughthere.
The Edda, which is all of thecombination of what was written
down, you know, in five, nine,76, and all of that old lore
that we pull from in the Northand on the North path, is the
(19:35):
poetic Etta, and Etta meansgreat grandmother, grandmother,
you know.
So it's, it's all very truewhat you're saying and, as you
know, as a man, I see it, youknow, I mean, you can, you can
see it, if you, if you look.
The problem is, you know, um, uh, because I I consider myself a
(19:58):
feminist, I mean very much so afeminist, and it is, uh, they
see a lot of empowered women, alot of empowered females.
I don't think that that's thebig issue.
I think the big issue is theseguys giving up that.
You know, that complete controlthat is prevalent in our
(20:19):
society.
You know Western society, youknow Eastern society as well.
I mean, it's, uh, everything ismale dominated and it's become
that way.
And it's funny because, um andI don't want to go off on this
too much, but I've heard, so,you know, so many times that
(20:42):
women are too emotional to lead,you know.
And then you look at this guy,all red-faced and screaming, you
know, screaming that at you andI always thought, really, who's
emotionally out of control here?
Granddaughter Crow (20:57):
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Beyond podcast and would like tosupport it.
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Just go to Patreon,granddaughter Crow or you can
find it at granddaughtercrowcom.
Thank you so much.
The idea of the female carryingthe memory of the ancestors,
the memory of the DNA, you know,through it all, even in a
(21:23):
spiritual way, in a biologicalway, and for me, in a very like
in a biological way, and for mein a very like that just
happened way.
So here's one out of left field.
How am I supposed to knowwhether part of my shadow comes
from my ancestors, my DNA orwhat?
Or does it even matter?
Do I just need to look at itand then, as it unfolds, I
(21:45):
understand it more?
What do you think about that,stephanie?
Stefani Michelle (21:49):
You know, we get fixated on why and why has
its purpose.
You know, when you're thinkingabout being motivated or you're
thinking about moving forward,they always say find your why.
So finding why can absolutelyinspire you to move.
But, just like everything else,if we overindulge in why it can
(22:14):
tip the scales.
It can become imbalanced notimbalanced.
So we get fixated on why andwhere.
Why do I feel this way?
Where did it come from?
And I don't think we need to dothat to such a degree.
Again, sometimes it's reallybeneficial, but sometimes we
(22:38):
can't find the root cause,instead of saying, okay, here's
a face structure that doessomething to me viscerally, and
so let me just connect withthose emotions, let me connect
with how that feels.
And now, even now, I want tosay well, why do I feel that way
(23:00):
?
Sometimes it's just no, okay, Idon't know why I feel that way.
I don't remember what's goingon, I just know I don't want to
feel that way anymore.
There's no reason why this typeof face structure.
You know, when you see, for meit used to be the light brown,
(23:23):
almost tinted red hair that hada lot of freckles Irish, but not
that type of Irish looking.
It used to.
If I saw somebody who fell intothat category, it would give me
a visceral response and I don'treally have a connection for it
.
But I worked on it and I saidthere is no longer, I'm safe,
(23:48):
there's no longer.
Whatever happened, there's nolonger happening, it's in the
past.
So I had to really like talk myenergy and my consciousness out
of having that experience overand over again, even though I
couldn't find a reason for it.
And I've done a lot of pastlife journeys for myself and for
other people.
I've done a lot of soulcreations for myself and for
(24:10):
other people that when Icouldn't find a source for but I
knew that it was a ridiculousthing, that I would just judge
for no reason.
And now in my life I see thatface structure, that type of
person, and I think they'regorgeous and I think they're
beautiful and I love them.
(24:31):
And I definitely you know wehave talked a lot, not you and I
(24:54):
, but us in general, meaningwhite workers have been talking
a lot for years about you knowcoming the female energy coming
back into the dominant position.
You know coming the femaleenergy coming back into the
dominant position, the matriarchcoming back online, and I do
think the matriarch is comingback online, but not necessarily
in the dominant position.
What I believe is happening iswe're coming into balance.
(25:17):
I think a long time ago, youknow, when we started the age of
Pisces, 2,000 years ago,everything separated Males and
females separated, godsseparated, energies separated
and we became fragmented.
And there are some things innature, like you mentioned, you
(25:41):
can still see as having male andfemale abilities.
Essentially, for me, I thinkI'm going to always stay in this
body as Stephanie, michelle, asa female, but I want to be able
to embrace my masculine sideand live in harmony with her.
We have aspects that enhanceeach other.
(26:05):
We have things that bring theother alive, and I see it coming
back into balance.
I love that.
Granddaughter Crow (26:14):
I love that and I just also I'm going to
comment about that.
But I also kind of want to tossa question, because we talked
about ancestors, we talked aboutDNA.
The question because we talkedabout ancestors, we talked about
dna, maybe just a few minuteson past lives, and if people
believe in past lives, can yourtrauma and shadow bleed through?
And if you don't, you know, hitthe like, subscribe and comment
(26:38):
and we'll see you next time.
No, I just played.
Yeah, you know, it's kind ofinteresting, because a lot of
times we need to redefine whatwe mean when we are using terms
such as male and female, in thatwe're not always talking about
your biological gender, yoursexual orientation.
(27:01):
We're talking about an ancientunderstanding of giver and
receiver.
We're talking about thousandsof years of yin and yang energy.
We're talking about the balanceand equilibrium that you see
within the natural world.
(27:22):
So don't get hung up on, youknow any of that.
But I 100% agree.
I don't see that it works foranybody to dominate or rule over
, except for one's own self.
And I see that if we balance,because the feminine energy and
(27:44):
the masculine energy, when theycome together, creation is born.
And that can come togetherright here, in my practice, in
your practice, in your poetry,whatever it is.
Jeffrey Gray (28:01):
I agree.
I agree, you know with what,what Stephanie said about it
being balanced, and you knowwhat.
You agreed with her too.
We can't, and you know, you'reabsolutely right.
We speak of, you know this, Isee an age and and separation,
and you know we put, we have to,and we dissect.
I mean that's our science, isto dissect nature, and it will
(28:27):
be so much, you know it is.
We need the new, the new age,you know I mean it needs to, it
needs to switch up and we needto start on a different,
different trajectory as as aspecies, as a species, to make
this thing work.
And I think you know I mean itcould be beautiful, it will be a
(28:49):
beautiful world.
I don't know how we're exactlygoing to get there, but nothing
is permanent but change.
Stefani Michelle (28:56):
Great, don't worry, we're getting there.
Granddaughter Crow (29:00):
We've always got that.
So we did go from ancestral toDNA.
What about past lives?
And we're starting to come tothe end?
So maybe just a few minuteseach on past lives or an
experience that you've had.
Stefani Michelle (29:14):
Stephanie, go ahead and then, Jeff, and then
I'll give you the most recentyears, this amazing
transformation I saw workingwith a woman through her past
lives.
She came to me and she wasriddled with anxiety, you know,
(29:40):
always in a panic, where it'snot like she couldn't leave her
house, she was still.
She was a nurse, she is a nurse, you know.
She had her life, she was doingher day but she always had, you
know, the shakes and was reallyskinny because she wouldn't eat
.
You know a functioning ahundred percent all the time
(30:01):
anxiety, but functioning insociety, and she could not shake
it.
She had very well known traumato her right.
So her growing up experience,definitely she had these.
I know this trauma.
I know this trauma, Iunderstand this and therapy
worked for some of it, right,but there was something else
(30:23):
that she just could not put herfinger on and I did a past life
regression with her and I'm veryvisual, so I sometimes can just
see everything without I can'teven interpret it.
I'm just going to give you whatI see, I see, I see, I see you
tell me what it all means, right, and so I saw her in a burning
(30:47):
house and there was a lot moreto the meditation, the visual,
the visions.
It's an hour and a half session, but essentially she was in a
burning house and she was theonly one that survived burning
(31:08):
house and she was the only onethat survived.
So we talked about it and whathappens.
In my experience with the peoplethat I've worked with, she's
not the only one, but this was avery big moment.
Even you have no consciousmemory of it, of course, but
your body does, and so her bodyjust started wailing and crying
and releasing all of that and it.
You know, I sat with her for awhile and we worked through it
(31:31):
and, um, now I think it's beenthree years no anxiety, total
confidence has.
Uh, not only is she still anurse, obviously, but she's the
director now of this veryprivate, you know, medical
institute thing.
It was almost immediate whereher anxiety disappeared because
(31:55):
we pinpointed something that shecouldn't consciously hold on to
or attribute her anxiety to,but she felt it.
She felt it on a very physicallevel and just let it go.
I love it.
Granddaughter Crow (32:09):
I absolutely love that and congratulations
to her and to you for doing thatwork.
So what about you?
Past life, trauma past do youhave anything to say?
Along shadow work with havingto do with even past lives or
just dna in general?
Jeffrey Gray (32:29):
well, you can go genetically, you know, with with
our dna, you can go far back it.
You know it's your ancestors,it's your pathway, direct
pathway to your ancestors.
Um, but what I, uh, we were,you know, I was thinking about
shadows and just generationally,uh, I was thinking about that
(32:54):
black sheep in the family youknow where you've got, you've
got this family thing going on,and there's one, you know
there's, there's one, you knowthere's one, always one black
sheep or this.
You know these things like, well, it skips a generation or it
skips two generations.
You know, and this is alwaysconsidered, you know a, you know
(33:15):
black sheep, a shadowy figure,and you know the one that
listens to the beat of adifferent drummer.
You know, I mean, they're stilldancing.
You know, maybe better thaneverybody're still dancing.
You know, maybe better thaneverybody who's following the
other drummer and I just thoughtthat was.
You know, I think we have a lotof shadows that follow us
(33:38):
within our DNA, but I don'tthink that they're all dramatic.
I think you know, I mean it andit only makes sense if that
trauma is going to follow you,then your joy and your bliss and
your individuality or whateveryour creativity is through your,
through your genetic, it's agood point uh is going to follow
(34:01):
you as well you know, I thinkuh the trauma is stands out
because it, you know, I meanit's so paralyzing for us, but
you know there's a lot you canaccess through through working
with your ancestors, working,you know, working with your DNA.
Granddaughter Crow (34:21):
I love that, you know, and it's kind of
interesting.
I like that you say we don'tneed a why.
We get to just experience.
A lot of times, when I write astory around, whatever I'm going
through, and try to find thewhy, I get lost in the why.
I too, whether you guys believein past lives or not, I do.
(34:43):
I have memory of some pastlives.
But I love what you said, thatyou don't only carry the trauma,
you also carry the joy, becausemy body will crave some.
You know fry, bread, mutton,you know on and on and on and on
.
And so another thing that Iwant to say so I agree and I
(35:07):
love what you said, stephanie,and I love how you're talking
about that.
Your beauty comes to because,people, as you think about the
shadow, let's not bastardize it,let's not demonize it.
What if you came from apowerful witch background but
you were raised in aChristianized household and your
shadow is hiding your power?
(35:30):
That's what I want to say aboutthat, to include DNA and all of
that.
As you work through these books, one thing and then I'll do a
really quick ground.
Drop in on what else do youwant to say?
These books, one thing and thenI'll do a really quick ground
drop.
And then what else do you wantto say?
But as you work through shadowwork, I really enjoy chakras and
shadow your shadow work becauseStephanie doesn't go oh, your
(35:55):
shadow work came from somethingelse.
Stephanie goes, it's here andyou can handle it here.
Let's take some responsibility,because ain't nobody's going to
do their work.
Let's go into each of thechakras and we do the same thing
.
It's kind of like, yeah, youcan say, well, that trauma
(36:15):
happened to me, this traumahappened to me, but at the end
of the day, the work that I needto do is right in here.
So I really love that's anothercorrelation that all three of
us encourage people to do innerwork in order to shine bright.
So, before we wrap it up,stephanie, do you have some last
(36:35):
words or points that you wantto share about this topic?
Then, jeff, and then I'll wrapit up.
Stefani Michelle (36:41):
I just love what you just said.
It is about the internal andgoing back to some, about being
fragmented.
Shadow work is pulling back inthose fragments and loving them
and being internal and beingwhole within yourself.
You know, shining the brightestlight from that wholeness,
including the shadow that isbehind you.
(37:04):
That wholeness, including theshadow that is behind you and
the shadow that you cast and thelight that you beam from your
heart, it's being whole and Ilove that and you have to do it
on the inside, you have to.
Granddaughter Crow (37:15):
Love that, I absolutely love that.
I also love that you mentionedsoul retrieval as well, and so,
before Jeff talks, I really wantto say listeners, you can go
through our books on your own orwith a group or with a licensed
therapist, wherever you are atis absolutely fine.
(37:35):
If you need somebody to holdyour hand with it, please reach
out and find somebody to holdyour hand with it.
So anyway, jeff, what do you?
Any final words that you wantto say around just this topic?
Jeffrey Gray (37:47):
Christian right, I think we have.
There were 13 colonies right inthe beginning.
Each one of those colonies werereligious.
(38:12):
You had to be going to, youknow, that church.
That's why there's Pennsylvania, you know that Dutch.
And you look at those oldcolonies and they were all like
that and they were all like that.
And, um, I was reading a book Ithink it's a god part of the
brain and they had.
The author had, you know, wastalking about how much in this
(38:34):
country especially, it is.
Um, we, you know, we have a lotof the spiritual beliefs of,
like a third world country.
It's crazy, but you look atwhat they're, you know what,
what the shame that they canthrow down on people.
You know, with this, with this,with their religious stance, I
(38:57):
don't even know if it's a beliefanymore, it's a stance.
You know it's, it's a, it's acudgel.
And you know realize that whenyou're working with your shadow
and realize where you are andwhat kind of shame you're
getting environmentally, thatit's not yours, you don't have
(39:17):
to own that.
You know.
You do not have to own that.
Granddaughter Crow (39:20):
I like that 100.
Because a lot of times, youknow, I mean shadow isn't just
the part of ourself that we hidefrom ourself, it's the part of
ourself that we hide from oursocial group in order to belong,
(39:40):
spiritually, on the same pageas you.
And you're still gettingpersecution from those inner
voices.
You know, recognize thatabsolutely recognize, absolutely
.
Jeffrey Gray (39:53):
I absolutely don't let them take your power don't
let them take your power.
Granddaughter Crow (39:56):
Who's the magician?
I am everybody with me.
Who's the magician.
Stefani Michelle (40:04):
Even those people who are arguing in the
stance are powerless to thebelief system they're
subscribing to.
They're.
They're giving away their powerto hyper focus on the agenda
they're trying to push and itstop.
Stop trying to push an agenda.
Be you, just be you, if that'swhat you want to believe.
Jeffrey Gray (40:28):
Fucking believe it .
Stefani Michelle (40:29):
Love it, be you have amazing conversations
across all categories.
Don't make me you.
I don't want to be a carboncopy of anybody else, and you
shouldn't want anyone else to bea carbon copy or subscribe to
your identity, because thenthat's where we all become.
(40:52):
The robots we're fearing aregoing to take over.
They're going to be us, we'regoing to be them, right?
So just allow each other tohave what they want to have and
believe what they want tobelieve.
Granddaughter Crow (41:07):
I love it and I really like that as far as
a point, because when I neededa shepherd, Jesus showed up.
When I needed a beautiful,powerful woman, Freya showed up.
When I needed to get out of myvictim stance, Lilith showed up.
When I needed to get out of myvictim stance, Lilith showed up.
That's why I say the divine asit reveals itself to you, and
(41:30):
but the whole key is is youdon't need to drink the Kool-Aid
and share it with everybodyelse because there's cyanide in
it.
I'm sorry.
We have to have another fiveminutes clearing up
granddaughter crow justeverybody's gonna have their own
Kool-Aid.
Stefani Michelle (41:46):
There's enough there's enough to go around.
I'm making my own, you makeyours, I'll make mine right,
it's like.
Jeffrey Gray (41:53):
It's like they say uh, you laugh at me because I'm
different, I laugh at youbecause you're all the same yeah
, it's a really good right,right, right well.
Granddaughter Crow (42:02):
Thank you all.
Just quick takeaways.
We shared about our personalexperience a little bit to kind
of open up our stories.
We also showed views about,beyond our stories, the history,
the memory that flows throughour DNA and the female body and
all of that kind of stuff.
Getting into past lives as wellas own your power, don't give
(42:28):
it away.
The shadow will help you getthere, and I had this really
cool thing that happened lastnight while I was falling asleep
I thought about a wolf, a fox,a bear.
When they get hurt, where dothey go?
They hide in the shadow, theygo be under a bush, they go into
(42:53):
their cave.
So if you are hurt and you needa cooling off period, the
shadow welcomes you.
It is natural and organic um.
Pick up chakras and your shadowwork, as well as shamanism and
your shadow um by granddaughtercrow and jeffrey gray, and I
(43:15):
really thank you guys for tuningin.
I just want to say you areloved and I actually love your
shadow too.
I love you being your greatnessas only you can be.
Be empowered, be empowered, beyourself.
Otherwise, thank you so much.
Like subscribe notification,all of it.
(43:37):
We'll love you.
See you on the flippity flip.
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