October 21, 2025 • 36 mins
Are you ready to strengthen your faith and activate the power of the Holy Spirit in your daily life?
In this inspiring episode, Ivelisse sits down with her dear friend, author, and spiritual coach Jordan Oliver, to talk about her book DRAFTED: You’ve Been Chosen for a War Already Won.
Jordan opens up about her personal health journey, her prophetic ministry Triple Braided Cord Company, and how joy and balance are key weapons in life’s toughest spiritual battles.
Together, Ivelisse and Jordan explore how to recognize the Holy Spirit’s voice, engage in spiritual warfare with confidence, and find practical ways to activate divine power in everyday moments.
Whether you’re walking through a season of uncertainty, facing illness, or simply longing for a deeper connection with God, this episode will uplift and equip you with the tools to stand strong in faith. You’ll walk away reminded that you were chosen—and that the battle has already been won.
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Ivelisse Page (00:06):
Hi, I am Ivelisse Page and thanks for listening to
the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders, and cancer thrivers
from around the globe.
(00:35):
Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page and Iam so thankful to spend this
time with you.
Today on the Believe Bigpodcast, we welcome my good
friend and author, JordanOliver.
Jordan is a 28-year-old author,speaker, and spiritual coach
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based in Baltimore, Maryland.
She graduated from High PointUniversity with a double major
in communications and religion.
After four years of working at aCatholic girls school in
Maryland, she became a certifiedspiritual coach through the I
Coach Life in Nashville,Tennessee.
Jordan, co-founded TripleBraided Cord Company, a
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prophetic ministry focused onintercessory prayer and healing
alongside her sisters, Madisonand Taylor.
The ministry aims to equipindividuals with knowledge about
the Holy Spirit, encouragingactivation through surrender,
obedience, and recognizing God'svoice in everyday life.
Man, we need that.
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We need more of that.
In addition to her ministrywork, Jordan is a freelance
writer and web designer.
She also hosts a weekly show,the Olive Press, where she
delves into topics likespiritual warfare and hearing
God's voice.
Her book DRAFTED (01:55):
You've Been Chosen for a War Already Won,
the Battle is to Believe It,serves as a call to action for
believers to recognize theirrole in the spiritual battles
and to activate the Holy Spiritwithin them.
The book emphasizes that everybattle has already been won
through faith.
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Jordan's passion lies in helpingothers discover their spiritual
purpose and empowering them tolive a victorious life through
faith.
Welcome to the show, Jordan!
Jordan Oliver (02:27):
Oh, hi ivelisse.
Thank you so much for having me.
I am just, it's truly an honorto be here.
I know we've talked about thisfor a while, going back and
forth with each other's shows,so to finally be here.
It's, uh, it's amazing.
I'm so excited.
Ivelisse Page (02:43):
Yeah.
Well this is a treat for us aswell.
I am so excited to talk aboutyour book and for anyone
listening, we will put a link inour show notes so that you can
gain access to it after theepisode.
So, but before we start our, uh,podcast, we always love to know
what our guest's favorite healthtip is, and so do you have one
that you can share with us?
Jordan Oliver (03:04):
Yes, I do Ivelisse, and for mine, I, this
tip is a little bit moreemotional slash spiritual, and
it's something that I really, Ireally learned when I was
actually going through aphysical health journey.
I've had such a journey withfood allergies.
I don't know, you might not evenknow that.
I don't know if I've ever toldyou that, but it has been for so
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many years of I didn't know.
I didn't know it at first, andthen I really started getting
sick and could never had theseproblems, so I couldn't pinpoint
it right away.
It has been about an eight yearjourney, and I'm so happy to say
that finally I feel like I'mcoming into the fruition of my
healing and have been able tofigure it out.
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But along the way it was verydifficult.
And one of the things that mysisters actually really, they
helped me and my family, I'dsay, uh, really my family, but
really help put emphasis on wasthe importance of fun.
Okay.
And this might sound really,some people might say, why to
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win the world does that mean?
But as we get older, andespecially being in ministry and
in the line of healing work andeven prayer with intercessor,
intercessory prayer, there's alot of heaviness to it.
And I know you, I don't need totell you Ivelisse, you get it.
But with that, I was really wasnot making a lot of time for fun
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things.
And my sisters would say,Jordan, you have to watch a show
that's just light at night.
Don't be in all of thisheaviness all the time.
And honestly, Ivelisse when Istarted intentionally doing
that.
I really came to know that versein Nehemiah, where it says The
joy of the Lord is our strength.
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And the joy, I really see thatnow as such a weapon that joy is
not just something that is justthis happiness.
Oh, oh, we get to be joy.
It's a weapon of warfare thatGod gives us to literally fight
battles that we're in.
And so I would say that's myhealth tip, is to make sure that
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you are being intentional aboutcreating space for joy and fun
things in your life thatultimately brings balance.
It's really about living abalanced life, and that's one of
the ways we can do that.
So
Ivelisse Page (05:24):
I love that.
And I don't think anyone hasever shared that before, and I
think that it's so important.
You know, I think one of thethings when I was going through
my cancer journey that I triedto do was to laugh, to eliminate
the heaviness of the noise fromthe news and other things that
were bringing me down, to focuson God's capabilities.
And, and he wants us to have joyand fun.
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And, uh, most recently though, Igot a rebounder, um, and I have
it here in my office.
So I'm on the phone a lot or youknow, talking and, and doing
work.
And so in between those callsI'll go and jump on the
trampoline and I'm laughing.
Okay.
'cause it's good for ourlymphatic system, but it's also
good to make you feel like a kidagain and just laughing and
smiling.
(06:05):
So I love that you shared thattip.
Jordan Oliver (06:08):
That is so neat, Ivelisse I just saw that pop up
on one of my Instagram, youknow, the reels.
They'd come up and I saw thisrebounding for the first time.
I didn't even know what that wasand I thought.
That looks awesome.
So I cannot believe you arebringing that up.
I think I might be trying thatout now.
You're helping me think maybethat's one thing I'm gonna try.
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It looks really fun.
Ivelisse Page (06:30):
Yeah, we actually, um, have them on our
store now, so if anyone'sinterested, they could go to the
Believe Big store.
And we have two professionalgrade ones because just a side
note, the ones on Amazon may becheaper.
But they have the metal springsand they might not be as good
for your joints and not as safe,um, as far as balance.
So ours have been proven to besafe and effective for not only
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personal training purposes, butalso for patients.
And we, you can even get ahandle for it if you feel like
you might lose your balance.
But it is fantastic for so manyhealth benefits.
Jordan Oliver (07:02):
Awesome.
Awesome.
I'm gonna go right on your storeand look for it there.
That makes it easy.
I know right where to go.
That's awesome.
Ivelisse Page (07:09):
Well, I'm so excited to talk about your book
today.
It, it just has so muchsignificance, not only for those
who are on their cancer journey,but, for everyone.
Yeah.
And so how did your ownspiritual battles shape the
message behind the book?
Jordan Oliver (07:24):
You know, what Ivelisse, what's so funny about
this and, and just so proof ofGod and just that the Holy
Spirit and his plans for us isthat, honestly, when I started
this I did not even think it wasreally gonna be an actual book.
And I say that because I startedthis back in 2013, the year I
graduated college.
And my bio, I should haveupdated my age in that'cause
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it's in, even in my bio on thebook says 28, I am now 33.
Just to, just to show how manyyears have gone by.
I never have updated that, but Ijust, I like to say that too,
and always emphasize the years,because this has been such a
long process that God keepscontinuing.
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And I think in our culturetoday, there's such, we are
known as the microwavegeneration because of how
quickly we get everything.
But this has been for a longprocess and God keeps unfolding
it, and unfolding it andunfolding it.
And so when I started writingthis book, it was 2013, the year
I graduated college and I had inmy mind that I was gonna just
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create a gift because I love towrite as a hobby always.
I was gonna write a book for mybrother, Cameron, my youngest
brother.
I'm the oldest of four.
My sisters, Madison and Taylorare the twins.
We're the ones who started theministry.
But we have a younger brother,Cameron.
And so.
I would make gifts as hobbies,and even for Madison and Taylor
when they graduated eighthgrade, I remember writing Inside
Scoop (08:52):
Only Things a Sister Could Tell, and it was like a
scrapbook with writings tosurvive high school.
And I always thought I would bemore inspirational.
Not really, always faith-based,but I never thought the
direction in ministry God'staken me.
I thought I'd be moreinspirational, motivational
speaker or writer.
So I did little books like that.
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And so when Cameron's turn cameto graduate eighth grade, I
said, well, I can't leave himout just because he's a boy.
And, but I thought, how am Igonna relate to writing for a
guy?
And honestly I think that iswhat God used to give me this
drafted army theme to the book.
And at first his book was gonnabe inspirational quotes of
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athletes, and he's really biginto surfing.
So surfers, I was trying torelate to him.
And then as I started writingand I remember, and you'll being
from Maryland living here for atime, you'll, you'll know this.
I remember really being drawn toRay Lewis from the Baltimore
Ravens, his story, and he isjust, he speaks so much about
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his faith and I was transcribingfor the, that was gonna be the
opening of my book.
I was transcribing one of histalks of when he came to know
God and then that is so comicalwhen I think back to that and
what God did over years.
That that began 2013 and forseven years I just I kept
writing and God just kept givingme, as I was really starting to
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dive into faith and getting inthe Word, then I would just get
more and more, and I realizedthis is becoming more of a
teaching book.
Not so much, it isinspirational, but it's more
teaching the word and really Godwas taking me to go back to your
question of my own spiritualbattles and my own spiritual
life, how it came into this.
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Honestly, as I was on my ownspiritual journey, I was writing
it and it was being captured inthis book.
It wasn't like I went throughthe battles and then wrote about
it.
This was being birthed as I waslearning myself and walking
through the spiritual journey,and I think that's why it took
seven years.
It took so long to get out, but,as I look back at it now, and
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this is what's so fascinating.
I remember when I, when I firstgot it in the mail, the
published version, I was, youwouldn't think this, but I, I
actually felt a littledisappointed because it looked
so small to me.
It's a thin book.
It's not big at all, and it is ashorter book, but I thought of
all the work and all the yearsand it looked so small.
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And to me, because it was moreof my beginning journey, it
seemed simple to me compared tosome of the experiences I
started having later on thejourney.
And my family said, Jordan, thisis exactly what it is supposed
to be, because you cannot speakto most people on their
spiritual journey when they'rebeginning.
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You can't start with all ofthese supernatural testimonies
and diving so deep into thespirit.
You have to begin at thebeginning, right at the
beginning.
And that is what, why I couldsee what, how God designed it,
why he had me capturingeverything from the beginning,
because I don't know if I couldreally go back and get it the
way I did as I was walkingthrough it.
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So.
I don't know if that, I hopethat answers your question,
Ivelisse.
But my battles in life, thedeeper battles actually started
coming a little later in my walkeven after this, even as I was
kind of taken deeper, but allthe foundation was set up.
I love that for, for thebeginning of it, if that makes
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sense.
Ivelisse Page (12:32):
A hundred percent.
And you know, it's funny becausesometimes, like you said, oh my
goodness, I was disappointed itwith such a small book, but I
think, the size, you know, andthe word count and all of that,
the impact, you never know howit's gonna affect others.
And, and I say that in the senseof Jimmy, my husband Jimmy's One
Word book, like you can read itin 45 minutes.
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And the impact that a smallconcept can have on a life.
So your concept of, you know,what is faith?
How, how do I practically engagewith the Holy Spirit?
Because those are things thatare, are things that people hear
about, but then to try andpractically explain that in a
simple version.
Yes.
I love that your book does that.
(13:16):
So for those who are listeningand who may have not read your
book yet, can you just brieflyshare the spiritual warfare may
be a new idea for them.
So how would you explain what itmeans to be in a spiritual
battle on a daily basis?
What does that mean for anindividual?
Jordan Oliver (13:32):
So I always, one of the founding verses behind
Triple Braided Cord, theministry.
So I set up this ministry,Triple Braided Cord Co with my
sisters'cause it's three of us.
And we were led to the versefrom Ecclesiastes 4:12, the
chord of three strands.
Many people may know that fromwedding verses, it's commonly
used there, but it's just reallytalking about the strength we
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get from unity and especiallyunity with God most importantly.
And so we learned as God washaving us form that and stepping
into the spiritual because weestablished that because the
Lord led us into healingministry through prayer,
prayerfully, people just startedcoming to us for prayer.
We started getting messages inour own prayer time through the,
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the Holy Spirit, just receivingmessages of healing for
individuals.
And we realized, oh, when we'resharing these things people are
experiencing, whether it'sphysical healings or emotional
healings, they're, they'reexperiencing this, so it must be
God at work.
And we really were led to theverse in the Bible that explains
to us that we do not fightthings of flesh and blood on
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this earth, but we fight rulersin the heavenly, the
principalities and forces in theunseen world.
And what this really summarizesis that life is not all what we
see it to be.
It's not all just physical, thatthere is very much a spiritual
component that parallels a lotof what we experience.
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A lot of the evil in the world,the good in the world, all of
it.
There is a spiritual componentand so that is really, when I
use the term spiritual warfare,what I mean is that we go, if we
look at a situation like illnesscan be one example.
And not all the time, I do wannamake this clear.
I do not believe that everysituation is spiritual because
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we live in a fallen world withchemicals and very real
imbalances in our, in our, thatcan happen in our body.
So there's very much a physical,real part of the physical, but
sometimes there's a spiritualcomponent of, of things in the,
in the spiritual world that wecan be dealing with.
And so when I say spiritualwarfare, that's what I mean for
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us in our ministry.
People will come to us a lot oftimes and what I've experienced
in my life is that when I'mfacing certain situations,
sometimes God will reveal to mehis perspective or a deeper
insight and say, you're notdealing with the physical thing.
This has to do in the spiritual,and I'm gonna help you through
the power of the Holy Spiritreveal to you strategies of how
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we conquer and use that power ofthe Spirit to fight these
things, so that they canmanifest in the physical.
Yes.
So I, I hope that's clear foranybody who may never have heard
this before, because it is anabstract concept and it's, it's
a little difficult'cause wecan't, when we talk about the
spiritual, it's not something wephysically see, but that's what
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it means.
Ivelisse Page (16:35):
Yeah.
I feel like it's, it's somethingthat people hear a lot about
angels, right?
Yes.
And you.
And you.
We believe in angels.
Yes.
And many times it's harder forpeople to believe that there is
a demonic influence and that thedevil is real.
And yes, that there are demonsaround trying to make us fail
and discourage and throw thosearrows of doubt and
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discouragement.
Yes.
Especially going through acancer journey.
And I, Jordan.
I can give you a perfect exampleof that is I remember when I was
going through my first battlewith cancer and I was getting
ready for bed, and I would saythat this mental and spiritual
battle was harder than thephysical battle of cancer at the
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time.
And I remember I was washing myface and I heard this voice, not
audibly, but it, I just heard itin my spirit and it said, why
are you bothering?
You're not gonna survive thisyear.
Your dad didn't survive.
Why?
Who do you think you are?
That you're gonna survive?
Oh, you're not gonna see yourdaughters get married, or your
sons graduate, and all theseawful messages kept coming over
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and flooding my mind.
Yes.
And I just began to cry and Ijust became paralyzed with fear.
And thank goodness that Jimmysaw this.
And that's actually where the"IWill Have No Fear" prayer came
to be for Believe Big.
Jimmy compiled our favoriteverses of fear and he put it
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into that poem and it's now goesinto every single Believe Mug
that Believe Big distributes.
And I'm telling you that whenthose thoughts would return, I
would immediately pull out thatcard because sometimes you're
just frozen.
Yes.
Like I had been a Christiansince I had been 13 years old
and I was 37 at the time, and Icouldn't even think of how to
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pray to get rid of thatdiscouragement.
I, I was just like, Jesus, helpme.
That's the only thing I couldsay.
Yes.
And.
After that I pulled out Jimmy's,"I Will Have No Fear" prayer and
I would just start to read it.
Sometimes I would read it once aday.
Sometimes I would read it 10times a day.
But I will tell you that at themoment that I finish that
prayer,'cause it's all a hundredpercent God's word and I spoke
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it out loud.
It's important to speak it outloud.
Yes.
So they can hear.
Yes.
It's immediately the only thingthat removed that fear and
brought peace was his word.
Mm.
And so that was like an actualbattle that yes, I know many
cancer patients and other peopleface, whether it's illness or
discouragement or a marriageissue or whatever things with
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your children, um, God's wordhas the power to break those
strongholds from the enemy.
And, um, I would encourageeveryone to download it for
free.
If you just need a,"I Will HaveNo Fear" prayer.
It's on our website for freethat anyone can print off.
Jordan Oliver (19:25):
Oh, Ivelisse, I have chills hearing as you were
saying that I was gettingchills.
And you know what you're makingme think of.
When I was preparing afterwriting, Drafted, I had a
little, my first conference,this was, this must have been
back in 2022.
It was right after the COVID,you know, the outbreak of that.
And things were starting to openup.
So I said, all right, I'm gonnatry my first Drafted conference.
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And as I was preparing, God juststarted me taking me now even
deeper and share, you know,coming up with new thoughts that
aren't in the book.
And one of the things he showedme was the Armor of God.
And he said, look at this armor.
Only, there's only one offensivefor offense.
Peace.
And you may have heard this, andthe audience may, but it's the
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sword.
The sword, and it's the spiritagain, the Holy Spirit, the
sword of the spirit.
But then it says, what is thesword?
The word of God.
And this is exactly what you aresaying.
I mean, it goes with your storyusing that word.
This is why I feel such apassion for this topic of the
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Holy Spirit, and that's what Isay, I say in a nutshell,
Drafted is Holy Spirit 1 0 1,and I have come to love and
appreciate everything in thissince that time I opened it up
and thought it was too small.
I have really come to know, getoutta the way Jordan.
Let God do his thing because heknows what he's doing, of
course.
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It's so simple, but it is allthe power is in this message of
the spirit, and I think, Ireally believe Ivelisse, that
this is why I believe the enemy,Satan has had his greatest,
tactic has been to keep the HolySpirit away from God's people to
stifle knowledge of what it isbecause it is the power.
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The word is the power, and wehave Jesus.
It only comes from Jesus.
None of it's coming from us.
But when we gain understandingof the power and authority that
we have, when we believe ineverything he died to give us,
and that we know we are vesselsof that spirit and can live with
it, that death conqueringspirit.
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Well, the enemy's time is gonnabe done when, when the body
awakens to that power.
And that is why I think Satanhas worked over time to keep
people away from reallyunderstanding the depth of what
this is and what we carrybecause of what Jesus did for
us.
And it's that sword.
It is that offensive power thatliterally enables us to cut
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through, slice through thedoubts, the fears, everything
you just said in your story.
Because really, I, I do think alot of the battlefield is in our
mind and in our thoughts too,and that's what, you know, I, I
don't know.
Do you think that, that that'swhere most of the battle lies is
in our beliefs?
Yes.
And thoughts.
Ivelisse Page (22:18):
Yeah.
And, and what we're seeing withour eyes, you know, it's almost
like they say that our eyes arethe opening to our souls.
Yes.
And so it's really important to,to monitor what you're watching,
what you're reading, what you'relistening to.
Yes.
'cause it does affect our souls.
Jordan Oliver (22:32):
Yes it does.
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Ivelisse Page (23:30):
For someone who may not fully understand the
Holy Spirit, and you know, inyour book you call him the
helper in battle, how cansomeone begin to activate or
tune into the Holy Spirit moreintentionally.
Jordan Oliver (23:43):
So I always like to direct people to simplicity
and everyday lies.
And again, this is so comicalcoming from me because I am the
least, when I try to explainstuff, people's, oh, I will
just, my sisters or family willbe like, we don't understand a
thing you're saying, Jordan, youneed to bring this down.
But I've learned to simplifythings.
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That is Jesus tells us, make it,we should be making the the
gospel message, and when weshare his word as simple, that a
child can understand it.
And we have really overcomplicated this Holy Spirit, I
believe.
And I believe that's part of whyit's not as understood or we
don't know as much about it, butbasically, it's so simple that I
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look at the Holy Spirit as Godin us, and I write that I break
down the Trinity, Father, Son,and Spirit and just how God
shows it to me.
That God I kind of view ascreator of all.
He's the big God, the one who'sup, you know over everything.
Jesus is God on earth.
We have an example when we lookto Jesus of what God looks like,
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like a human living.
Basically what a person can looklike with a divine spirit
connected in them to a divinefather.
We have that example throughJesus of what we can look like.
And then the spirit is God inus.
And so really we just have torealize that, number one, when
we sincerely believe in Jesus asthat he is, when we make Him the
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Lord of our life and in ourheart, we're sincere in that
belief that Jesus, I believe inyou, as my king, my God, my
Lord.
The Bible tells us that hisspirit does come within us.
We get that gift from him, soit's in us.
So no one needs to be worried.
I have a lot of people come upand they're saying, I don't know
if I have the spirit.
And I say, whoa, okay.
This is nothing to be afraid of.
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Simple.
If we believe in Jesus, thespirit is in you, but the
difference of what I'm talkingabout is now we're gonna try to
activate that spirit.
How do we go from keeping itdormant and just inside to
living a life where we're usingits active power?
And going back to the simpleways that, that we do this.
I remember one of the firsttimes that.
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God really started taking medeeper into hearing his voice
and activating that spirit.
I was at college and I waswalking back from my dorm room
and one night, and it wasnighttime and I was coming back
from the library and thisbutterfly flew next to me,
Ivelisse in the nighttime.
This is what was a littledifferent, but when it flew next
to me at night, I just had thisfeeling, and I don't know how to
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explain it, but it was a knowingthat the presence of God was,
was there.
And all he did from that momenton the Lord used that butterfly,
something that simple to get myattention.
And so from that moment on, whenI would see a butterfly or it
would come up to me somehow, youknow, you see a picture of one
or one flies, you know, in frontof you at a very particular
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moment in time, I would startrecognizing this is how God, God
is using this thing to get myattention to say, pay attention.
Wake up, I'm speaking to you.
So I started noticing I wouldjust use that, the butterfly
symbol when it would appear, I'dsay, all right, who am I talking
to right now?
What am I, what are my thoughtsright now?
Where am I?
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Is God trying to speak somethingto me?
And I, I love that examplebecause honestly, that was one
of the first things he used toreally get me into the practice
and discipline of recognizingthe pattern of his voice.
And it is gonna be in thesimplest everyday ways, right
where you're planted with thepeople who are around you.
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With a butterflies, it could beas simple as that, that these
are the ways that we start wherewe begin to just open our eyes
and our ears to say, okay.
Could God be communicatingsomething to me?
But honestly, Ivelisse, this isa journey.
Some people do have instantradical experiences with the
spirit, and they have radicalstories, but I think more of us
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than not, it's a journey Godwants to take and a
relationship, a personalrelationship Jesus wants to
establish with us and just likeall of our relationships.
It's not one way.
You can't, you can't be, haveone person doing all the talking
or that relationship is gonnadie the same as with God.
He doesn't want you just talkingat him all the time, treating
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him like a genie in a bottlewith our prayers, telling him
everything we want.
We need to stop and learn tolisten.
And this all happens, I believe,through the, the communication
line, the Holy Spirit.
He wants us to listen to him.
We have to develop that andpractice that.
And so that's what I encouragepeople with the beginnings of
stepping into activating thespirit is look at your everyday
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surroundings right where you'replanted, and ask God with the
most simple prayer.
Lord.
I don't understand all this.
I don't even know if you canspeak to me, be so honest with
him and just say, but would youspeak to me and would you open
my eyes so I can hear you in thesmallest way?
And he will, when you ask.
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It might not happen immediately,but I believe he will show up to
you and one step leads to thenext.
Ivelisse Page (29:05):
100%, and I think it's, I think what you shared is
very important is when we'reasking or when we're speaking to
him to take notice of thingsthat are happening.
Sometimes we're just movingthrough life so quickly.
Yes.
That we don't take the time toevaluate what's happening in our
lives.
And you know, an example of thatin my life has been when, uh,
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again, when I was going throughcancer and trying to decide the
avenue of treatment that, uh, Iwas gonna go through.
Jimmy and I laid everythingbefore the Lord, and we just
prayed.
Everyone was trying to give usadvice on all these things, but
you know, we have to be our ownadvocates.
You know, the Holy Spirit willspeak to us and will open the
doors that need to be opened andclose the doors that need to be
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closed when we ask.
But we have to take notice.
And I think that's one of theimportant things that you
shared.
And I'll never forget thatduring that week that I was
really praying for direction topeople from two different walks
of life.
Told me that I had to speak tothe same doctor, Dr.
Hinberger, who at the time wasmy mistletoe doctor, and I was
like.
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Okay, there's something there.
Yes.
I need to take note.
Yes.
Yes.
And, and so I made thatappointment and that's when I
found out about mistletoetherapy and changed the
trajectory of my life.
So yes, pray, but then listen,don't just speed through life.
I love that you shared that.
Jordan Oliver (30:27):
And and writing it down, Ivelisse, this is
something are, do you journal alot?
Ivelisse Page (30:33):
Yes.
Yes.
Jordan Oliver (30:34):
Okay.
You do too.
And I am the same way.
But what I realize this is, Itell people now, I really think
you have to, that this is whenwe are trying to learn God's
voice.
I think this is a necessary keyto doing it because I would
never even remember.
You think you're gonna rememberthings and you really do not.
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And I will go back in my journaland see certain things.
There are pieces to the puzzleand they, and when you write it
down, and especially writingdates and times, God
communicates through everything,time, numbers, he can use a lot.
And I remember starting tonotice a pattern in my journal
entries.
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That on days where I was gettingmessages from the Lord or
feeling just in tune that day,you know, with him.
A lot of my journal entries wereon days with sevens in them.
Yeah.
And seven is such a biblicalnumber of completion.
Yeah.
So another thing God used, andagain, not that we're worshiping
these things or putting ourfaith in these, you know,
objects, it's everything Goduses in our world to help us
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recognize his voice and pattern.
So I would know, okay, on dayon, you know, certain days with
sevens when, when they werecoming up 17th, the seventh, I
would just, I was attuned.
I just tuned in more andsometimes he just wants us to
tune in more, so he'll usesomething to help redirect our
focus to that.
And it really, it really is,it's like training, it's
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bootcamp.
If we're talking in our militaryterms.
You have to, and likeweightlifting, you lift the 10
pounds before you get to the 20to the 30.
It's all builds upon each other.
And so recognizing and beingaware, but journaling is, is a
way that we can do that.
So I encourage everyone towrite, write, write.
Even if you think it's a tinylittle thing.
Ivelisse Page (32:23):
Yeah, I love that.
You know, I can't believe our,our time has already, you know,
come to, come to an end.
But I would love for you toshare one final encouragement
for those people who arelistening today, who feel weary,
you know, in their currentcircumstances, uh, whether it's
cancer or not, in theirspiritual battle and unsure of
the strength to continue.
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What would you say to themtoday?
Jordan Oliver (32:46):
I would say that I, what I have found and a lot
through my health battles, thankGod I did not have to face
something like cancer.
So I cannot even fathom.
But some of the health issueswere definitely really deep,
really big things.
And so every time, what reallygot me through that was pushing
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in and pressing in, literallywarring with God.
I think the biggestmisconception is that the people
we see, like you, Ivelisse,you're such a, a pillar of
strength.
You're out there.
You're such an example foreverybody.
When you're, when we see peoplespeaking and looking confident
with their faith, it really,it's not just because you're an
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anointed person.
There, there are anointings, butGod wants to speak and have that
relationship with every singleone of us.
And it's honestly, I believe theones you see speaking, they have
fought the fear.
They have gone througheverything they've just pressed
through anyway.
They haven't let it stop them.
And so I, what got me throughwas battling, warring a lot and
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going to God and saying.
God, I'm not gonna leave here.
I'm not leaving this floorgetting on my knees until you
show me something from yourperspective.
Would you give me a revelation?
Would you speak something to myheart or to my spirit, or to my
mind that is going to help mesee this situation in this
battle?
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Not as a victim, but as avictor, from your perspective?
And I believe there's a higherpurpose to this, that you're
trying to use it in my life.
To convey something to me that'sgonna be part of my purpose,
that I'm gonna be able to sharewith other people.
And that mindset, I trulybelieve is what enabled me to
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just walk through each battleand to ultimately you know, not
let it take me out.
Not let it take you out, butallows you to keep going with
hope.
And so press in.
Don't wait on God.
I guess the whole message isreally like, don't wait on God
to come to you.
Go to him and press in.
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And it's okay to to be, to beurgent about it and say, Lord,
I'm not leaving till I getsomething.
And we war for that.
I'm telling you, he, I, I, Ibelieve that when we go before
him, sincerely, he is gonnabreak through and, and show up
and reveal something to youthat's gonna give you that
endurance to keep believing andkeep standing.
Ivelisse Page (35:16):
100%.
Man, that was so well said.
Jordan, thank you so much fortaking time today to share about
Drafted and spiritual warfareand the activation of the Holy
Spirit, and how it canpractically be effective in each
of our lives whether we're goingthrough a difficult battle like
cancer or in an everyday life.
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So thank you for taking time outof your busy schedule to be with
us today, and we're just sograteful for you.
Jordan Oliver (35:43):
Oh, thank you Ivelisse.
Truly, it truly is an honor andI just am so grateful for the
opportunity.
So thank you.
I.
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Hi, I am Ivelisse Page and thanks for listening to
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from around the globe.
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Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page and Iam so thankful to spend this
time with you.
Today on the Believe Bigpodcast, we welcome my good
friend and author, JordanOliver.
Jordan is a 28-year-old author,speaker, and spiritual coach
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based in Baltimore, Maryland.
She graduated from High PointUniversity with a double major
in communications and religion.
After four years of working at aCatholic girls school in
Maryland, she became a certifiedspiritual coach through the I
Coach Life in Nashville,Tennessee.
Jordan, co-founded TripleBraided Cord Company, a
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prophetic ministry focused onintercessory prayer and healing
alongside her sisters, Madisonand Taylor.
The ministry aims to equipindividuals with knowledge about
the Holy Spirit, encouragingactivation through surrender,
obedience, and recognizing God'svoice in everyday life.
Man, we need that.
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We need more of that.
In addition to her ministrywork, Jordan is a freelance
writer and web designer.
She also hosts a weekly show,the Olive Press, where she
delves into topics likespiritual warfare and hearing
God's voice.
Her book DRAFTED (01:55):
You've Been Chosen for a War Already Won,
the Battle is to Believe It,serves as a call to action for
believers to recognize theirrole in the spiritual battles
and to activate the Holy Spiritwithin them.
The book emphasizes that everybattle has already been won
through faith.
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Jordan's passion lies in helpingothers discover their spiritual
purpose and empowering them tolive a victorious life through
faith.
Welcome to the show, Jordan!
Jordan Oliver (02:27):
Oh, hi ivelisse.
Thank you so much for having me.
I am just, it's truly an honorto be here.
I know we've talked about thisfor a while, going back and
forth with each other's shows,so to finally be here.
It's, uh, it's amazing.
I'm so excited.
Ivelisse Page (02:43):
Yeah.
Well this is a treat for us aswell.
I am so excited to talk aboutyour book and for anyone
listening, we will put a link inour show notes so that you can
gain access to it after theepisode.
So, but before we start our, uh,podcast, we always love to know
what our guest's favorite healthtip is, and so do you have one
that you can share with us?
Jordan Oliver (03:04):
Yes, I do Ivelisse, and for mine, I, this
tip is a little bit moreemotional slash spiritual, and
it's something that I really, Ireally learned when I was
actually going through aphysical health journey.
I've had such a journey withfood allergies.
I don't know, you might not evenknow that.
I don't know if I've ever toldyou that, but it has been for so
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many years of I didn't know.
I didn't know it at first, andthen I really started getting
sick and could never had theseproblems, so I couldn't pinpoint
it right away.
It has been about an eight yearjourney, and I'm so happy to say
that finally I feel like I'mcoming into the fruition of my
healing and have been able tofigure it out.
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But along the way it was verydifficult.
And one of the things that mysisters actually really, they
helped me and my family, I'dsay, uh, really my family, but
really help put emphasis on wasthe importance of fun.
Okay.
And this might sound really,some people might say, why to
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win the world does that mean?
But as we get older, andespecially being in ministry and
in the line of healing work andeven prayer with intercessor,
intercessory prayer, there's alot of heaviness to it.
And I know you, I don't need totell you Ivelisse, you get it.
But with that, I was really wasnot making a lot of time for fun
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things.
And my sisters would say,Jordan, you have to watch a show
that's just light at night.
Don't be in all of thisheaviness all the time.
And honestly, Ivelisse when Istarted intentionally doing
that.
I really came to know that versein Nehemiah, where it says The
joy of the Lord is our strength.
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And the joy, I really see thatnow as such a weapon that joy is
not just something that is justthis happiness.
Oh, oh, we get to be joy.
It's a weapon of warfare thatGod gives us to literally fight
battles that we're in.
And so I would say that's myhealth tip, is to make sure that
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you are being intentional aboutcreating space for joy and fun
things in your life thatultimately brings balance.
It's really about living abalanced life, and that's one of
the ways we can do that.
So
Ivelisse Page (05:24):
I love that.
And I don't think anyone hasever shared that before, and I
think that it's so important.
You know, I think one of thethings when I was going through
my cancer journey that I triedto do was to laugh, to eliminate
the heaviness of the noise fromthe news and other things that
were bringing me down, to focuson God's capabilities.
And, and he wants us to have joyand fun.
(05:45):
And, uh, most recently though, Igot a rebounder, um, and I have
it here in my office.
So I'm on the phone a lot or youknow, talking and, and doing
work.
And so in between those callsI'll go and jump on the
trampoline and I'm laughing.
Okay.
'cause it's good for ourlymphatic system, but it's also
good to make you feel like a kidagain and just laughing and
smiling.
(06:05):
So I love that you shared thattip.
Jordan Oliver (06:08):
That is so neat, Ivelisse I just saw that pop up
on one of my Instagram, youknow, the reels.
They'd come up and I saw thisrebounding for the first time.
I didn't even know what that wasand I thought.
That looks awesome.
So I cannot believe you arebringing that up.
I think I might be trying thatout now.
You're helping me think maybethat's one thing I'm gonna try.
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It looks really fun.
Ivelisse Page (06:30):
Yeah, we actually, um, have them on our
store now, so if anyone'sinterested, they could go to the
Believe Big store.
And we have two professionalgrade ones because just a side
note, the ones on Amazon may becheaper.
But they have the metal springsand they might not be as good
for your joints and not as safe,um, as far as balance.
So ours have been proven to besafe and effective for not only
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personal training purposes, butalso for patients.
And we, you can even get ahandle for it if you feel like
you might lose your balance.
But it is fantastic for so manyhealth benefits.
Jordan Oliver (07:02):
Awesome.
Awesome.
I'm gonna go right on your storeand look for it there.
That makes it easy.
I know right where to go.
That's awesome.
Ivelisse Page (07:09):
Well, I'm so excited to talk about your book
today.
It, it just has so muchsignificance, not only for those
who are on their cancer journey,but, for everyone.
Yeah.
And so how did your ownspiritual battles shape the
message behind the book?
Jordan Oliver (07:24):
You know, what Ivelisse, what's so funny about
this and, and just so proof ofGod and just that the Holy
Spirit and his plans for us isthat, honestly, when I started
this I did not even think it wasreally gonna be an actual book.
And I say that because I startedthis back in 2013, the year I
graduated college.
And my bio, I should haveupdated my age in that'cause
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it's in, even in my bio on thebook says 28, I am now 33.
Just to, just to show how manyyears have gone by.
I never have updated that, but Ijust, I like to say that too,
and always emphasize the years,because this has been such a
long process that God keepscontinuing.
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And I think in our culturetoday, there's such, we are
known as the microwavegeneration because of how
quickly we get everything.
But this has been for a longprocess and God keeps unfolding
it, and unfolding it andunfolding it.
And so when I started writingthis book, it was 2013, the year
I graduated college and I had inmy mind that I was gonna just
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create a gift because I love towrite as a hobby always.
I was gonna write a book for mybrother, Cameron, my youngest
brother.
I'm the oldest of four.
My sisters, Madison and Taylorare the twins.
We're the ones who started theministry.
But we have a younger brother,Cameron.
And so.
I would make gifts as hobbies,and even for Madison and Taylor
when they graduated eighthgrade, I remember writing Inside
Scoop (08:52):
Only Things a Sister Could Tell, and it was like a
scrapbook with writings tosurvive high school.
And I always thought I would bemore inspirational.
Not really, always faith-based,but I never thought the
direction in ministry God'staken me.
I thought I'd be moreinspirational, motivational
speaker or writer.
So I did little books like that.
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And so when Cameron's turn cameto graduate eighth grade, I
said, well, I can't leave himout just because he's a boy.
And, but I thought, how am Igonna relate to writing for a
guy?
And honestly I think that iswhat God used to give me this
drafted army theme to the book.
And at first his book was gonnabe inspirational quotes of
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athletes, and he's really biginto surfing.
So surfers, I was trying torelate to him.
And then as I started writingand I remember, and you'll being
from Maryland living here for atime, you'll, you'll know this.
I remember really being drawn toRay Lewis from the Baltimore
Ravens, his story, and he isjust, he speaks so much about
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his faith and I was transcribingfor the, that was gonna be the
opening of my book.
I was transcribing one of histalks of when he came to know
God and then that is so comicalwhen I think back to that and
what God did over years.
That that began 2013 and forseven years I just I kept
writing and God just kept givingme, as I was really starting to
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dive into faith and getting inthe Word, then I would just get
more and more, and I realizedthis is becoming more of a
teaching book.
Not so much, it isinspirational, but it's more
teaching the word and really Godwas taking me to go back to your
question of my own spiritualbattles and my own spiritual
life, how it came into this.
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Honestly, as I was on my ownspiritual journey, I was writing
it and it was being captured inthis book.
It wasn't like I went throughthe battles and then wrote about
it.
This was being birthed as I waslearning myself and walking
through the spiritual journey,and I think that's why it took
seven years.
It took so long to get out, but,as I look back at it now, and
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this is what's so fascinating.
I remember when I, when I firstgot it in the mail, the
published version, I was, youwouldn't think this, but I, I
actually felt a littledisappointed because it looked
so small to me.
It's a thin book.
It's not big at all, and it is ashorter book, but I thought of
all the work and all the yearsand it looked so small.
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And to me, because it was moreof my beginning journey, it
seemed simple to me compared tosome of the experiences I
started having later on thejourney.
And my family said, Jordan, thisis exactly what it is supposed
to be, because you cannot speakto most people on their
spiritual journey when they'rebeginning.
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You can't start with all ofthese supernatural testimonies
and diving so deep into thespirit.
You have to begin at thebeginning, right at the
beginning.
And that is what, why I couldsee what, how God designed it,
why he had me capturingeverything from the beginning,
because I don't know if I couldreally go back and get it the
way I did as I was walkingthrough it.
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So.
I don't know if that, I hopethat answers your question,
Ivelisse.
But my battles in life, thedeeper battles actually started
coming a little later in my walkeven after this, even as I was
kind of taken deeper, but allthe foundation was set up.
I love that for, for thebeginning of it, if that makes
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sense.
Ivelisse Page (12:32):
A hundred percent.
And you know, it's funny becausesometimes, like you said, oh my
goodness, I was disappointed itwith such a small book, but I
think, the size, you know, andthe word count and all of that,
the impact, you never know howit's gonna affect others.
And, and I say that in the senseof Jimmy, my husband Jimmy's One
Word book, like you can read itin 45 minutes.
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And the impact that a smallconcept can have on a life.
So your concept of, you know,what is faith?
How, how do I practically engagewith the Holy Spirit?
Because those are things thatare, are things that people hear
about, but then to try andpractically explain that in a
simple version.
Yes.
I love that your book does that.
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So for those who are listeningand who may have not read your
book yet, can you just brieflyshare the spiritual warfare may
be a new idea for them.
So how would you explain what itmeans to be in a spiritual
battle on a daily basis?
What does that mean for anindividual?
Jordan Oliver (13:32):
So I always, one of the founding verses behind
Triple Braided Cord, theministry.
So I set up this ministry,Triple Braided Cord Co with my
sisters'cause it's three of us.
And we were led to the versefrom Ecclesiastes 4:12, the
chord of three strands.
Many people may know that fromwedding verses, it's commonly
used there, but it's just reallytalking about the strength we
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get from unity and especiallyunity with God most importantly.
And so we learned as God washaving us form that and stepping
into the spiritual because weestablished that because the
Lord led us into healingministry through prayer,
prayerfully, people just startedcoming to us for prayer.
We started getting messages inour own prayer time through the,
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the Holy Spirit, just receivingmessages of healing for
individuals.
And we realized, oh, when we'resharing these things people are
experiencing, whether it'sphysical healings or emotional
healings, they're, they'reexperiencing this, so it must be
God at work.
And we really were led to theverse in the Bible that explains
to us that we do not fightthings of flesh and blood on
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this earth, but we fight rulersin the heavenly, the
principalities and forces in theunseen world.
And what this really summarizesis that life is not all what we
see it to be.
It's not all just physical, thatthere is very much a spiritual
component that parallels a lotof what we experience.
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A lot of the evil in the world,the good in the world, all of
it.
There is a spiritual componentand so that is really, when I
use the term spiritual warfare,what I mean is that we go, if we
look at a situation like illnesscan be one example.
And not all the time, I do wannamake this clear.
I do not believe that everysituation is spiritual because
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we live in a fallen world withchemicals and very real
imbalances in our, in our, thatcan happen in our body.
So there's very much a physical,real part of the physical, but
sometimes there's a spiritualcomponent of, of things in the,
in the spiritual world that wecan be dealing with.
And so when I say spiritualwarfare, that's what I mean for
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us in our ministry.
People will come to us a lot oftimes and what I've experienced
in my life is that when I'mfacing certain situations,
sometimes God will reveal to mehis perspective or a deeper
insight and say, you're notdealing with the physical thing.
This has to do in the spiritual,and I'm gonna help you through
the power of the Holy Spiritreveal to you strategies of how
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we conquer and use that power ofthe Spirit to fight these
things, so that they canmanifest in the physical.
Yes.
So I, I hope that's clear foranybody who may never have heard
this before, because it is anabstract concept and it's, it's
a little difficult'cause wecan't, when we talk about the
spiritual, it's not something wephysically see, but that's what
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it means.
Ivelisse Page (16:35):
Yeah.
I feel like it's, it's somethingthat people hear a lot about
angels, right?
Yes.
And you.
And you.
We believe in angels.
Yes.
And many times it's harder forpeople to believe that there is
a demonic influence and that thedevil is real.
And yes, that there are demonsaround trying to make us fail
and discourage and throw thosearrows of doubt and
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discouragement.
Yes.
Especially going through acancer journey.
And I, Jordan.
I can give you a perfect exampleof that is I remember when I was
going through my first battlewith cancer and I was getting
ready for bed, and I would saythat this mental and spiritual
battle was harder than thephysical battle of cancer at the
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time.
And I remember I was washing myface and I heard this voice, not
audibly, but it, I just heard itin my spirit and it said, why
are you bothering?
You're not gonna survive thisyear.
Your dad didn't survive.
Why?
Who do you think you are?
That you're gonna survive?
Oh, you're not gonna see yourdaughters get married, or your
sons graduate, and all theseawful messages kept coming over
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and flooding my mind.
Yes.
And I just began to cry and Ijust became paralyzed with fear.
And thank goodness that Jimmysaw this.
And that's actually where the"IWill Have No Fear" prayer came
to be for Believe Big.
Jimmy compiled our favoriteverses of fear and he put it
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into that poem and it's now goesinto every single Believe Mug
that Believe Big distributes.
And I'm telling you that whenthose thoughts would return, I
would immediately pull out thatcard because sometimes you're
just frozen.
Yes.
Like I had been a Christiansince I had been 13 years old
and I was 37 at the time, and Icouldn't even think of how to
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pray to get rid of thatdiscouragement.
I, I was just like, Jesus, helpme.
That's the only thing I couldsay.
Yes.
And.
After that I pulled out Jimmy's,"I Will Have No Fear" prayer and
I would just start to read it.
Sometimes I would read it once aday.
Sometimes I would read it 10times a day.
But I will tell you that at themoment that I finish that
prayer,'cause it's all a hundredpercent God's word and I spoke
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it out loud.
It's important to speak it outloud.
Yes.
So they can hear.
Yes.
It's immediately the only thingthat removed that fear and
brought peace was his word.
Mm.
And so that was like an actualbattle that yes, I know many
cancer patients and other peopleface, whether it's illness or
discouragement or a marriageissue or whatever things with
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your children, um, God's wordhas the power to break those
strongholds from the enemy.
And, um, I would encourageeveryone to download it for
free.
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Jordan Oliver (19:25):
Oh, Ivelisse, I have chills hearing as you were
saying that I was gettingchills.
And you know what you're makingme think of.
When I was preparing afterwriting, Drafted, I had a
little, my first conference,this was, this must have been
back in 2022.
It was right after the COVID,you know, the outbreak of that.
And things were starting to openup.
So I said, all right, I'm gonnatry my first Drafted conference.
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And as I was preparing, God juststarted me taking me now even
deeper and share, you know,coming up with new thoughts that
aren't in the book.
And one of the things he showedme was the Armor of God.
And he said, look at this armor.
Only, there's only one offensivefor offense.
Peace.
And you may have heard this, andthe audience may, but it's the
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sword.
The sword, and it's the spiritagain, the Holy Spirit, the
sword of the spirit.
But then it says, what is thesword?
The word of God.
And this is exactly what you aresaying.
I mean, it goes with your storyusing that word.
This is why I feel such apassion for this topic of the
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Holy Spirit, and that's what Isay, I say in a nutshell,
Drafted is Holy Spirit 1 0 1,and I have come to love and
appreciate everything in thissince that time I opened it up
and thought it was too small.
I have really come to know, getoutta the way Jordan.
Let God do his thing because heknows what he's doing, of
course.
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It's so simple, but it is allthe power is in this message of
the spirit, and I think, Ireally believe Ivelisse, that
this is why I believe the enemy,Satan has had his greatest,
tactic has been to keep the HolySpirit away from God's people to
stifle knowledge of what it isbecause it is the power.
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The word is the power, and wehave Jesus.
It only comes from Jesus.
None of it's coming from us.
But when we gain understandingof the power and authority that
we have, when we believe ineverything he died to give us,
and that we know we are vesselsof that spirit and can live with
it, that death conqueringspirit.
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Well, the enemy's time is gonnabe done when, when the body
awakens to that power.
And that is why I think Satanhas worked over time to keep
people away from reallyunderstanding the depth of what
this is and what we carrybecause of what Jesus did for
us.
And it's that sword.
It is that offensive power thatliterally enables us to cut
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through, slice through thedoubts, the fears, everything
you just said in your story.
Because really, I, I do think alot of the battlefield is in our
mind and in our thoughts too,and that's what, you know, I, I
don't know.
Do you think that, that that'swhere most of the battle lies is
in our beliefs?
Yes.
And thoughts.
Ivelisse Page (22:18):
Yeah.
And, and what we're seeing withour eyes, you know, it's almost
like they say that our eyes arethe opening to our souls.
Yes.
And so it's really important to,to monitor what you're watching,
what you're reading, what you'relistening to.
Yes.
'cause it does affect our souls.
Jordan Oliver (22:32):
Yes it does.
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Ivelisse Page (23:30):
For someone who may not fully understand the
Holy Spirit, and you know, inyour book you call him the
helper in battle, how cansomeone begin to activate or
tune into the Holy Spirit moreintentionally.
Jordan Oliver (23:43):
So I always like to direct people to simplicity
and everyday lies.
And again, this is so comicalcoming from me because I am the
least, when I try to explainstuff, people's, oh, I will
just, my sisters or family willbe like, we don't understand a
thing you're saying, Jordan, youneed to bring this down.
But I've learned to simplifythings.
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That is Jesus tells us, make it,we should be making the the
gospel message, and when weshare his word as simple, that a
child can understand it.
And we have really overcomplicated this Holy Spirit, I
believe.
And I believe that's part of whyit's not as understood or we
don't know as much about it, butbasically, it's so simple that I
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look at the Holy Spirit as Godin us, and I write that I break
down the Trinity, Father, Son,and Spirit and just how God
shows it to me.
That God I kind of view ascreator of all.
He's the big God, the one who'sup, you know over everything.
Jesus is God on earth.
We have an example when we lookto Jesus of what God looks like,
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like a human living.
Basically what a person can looklike with a divine spirit
connected in them to a divinefather.
We have that example throughJesus of what we can look like.
And then the spirit is God inus.
And so really we just have torealize that, number one, when
we sincerely believe in Jesus asthat he is, when we make Him the
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Lord of our life and in ourheart, we're sincere in that
belief that Jesus, I believe inyou, as my king, my God, my
Lord.
The Bible tells us that hisspirit does come within us.
We get that gift from him, soit's in us.
So no one needs to be worried.
I have a lot of people come upand they're saying, I don't know
if I have the spirit.
And I say, whoa, okay.
This is nothing to be afraid of.
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Simple.
If we believe in Jesus, thespirit is in you, but the
difference of what I'm talkingabout is now we're gonna try to
activate that spirit.
How do we go from keeping itdormant and just inside to
living a life where we're usingits active power?
And going back to the simpleways that, that we do this.
I remember one of the firsttimes that.
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God really started taking medeeper into hearing his voice
and activating that spirit.
I was at college and I waswalking back from my dorm room
and one night, and it wasnighttime and I was coming back
from the library and thisbutterfly flew next to me,
Ivelisse in the nighttime.
This is what was a littledifferent, but when it flew next
to me at night, I just had thisfeeling, and I don't know how to
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explain it, but it was a knowingthat the presence of God was,
was there.
And all he did from that momenton the Lord used that butterfly,
something that simple to get myattention.
And so from that moment on, whenI would see a butterfly or it
would come up to me somehow, youknow, you see a picture of one
or one flies, you know, in frontof you at a very particular
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moment in time, I would startrecognizing this is how God, God
is using this thing to get myattention to say, pay attention.
Wake up, I'm speaking to you.
So I started noticing I wouldjust use that, the butterfly
symbol when it would appear, I'dsay, all right, who am I talking
to right now?
What am I, what are my thoughtsright now?
Where am I?
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Is God trying to speak somethingto me?
And I, I love that examplebecause honestly, that was one
of the first things he used toreally get me into the practice
and discipline of recognizingthe pattern of his voice.
And it is gonna be in thesimplest everyday ways, right
where you're planted with thepeople who are around you.
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With a butterflies, it could beas simple as that, that these
are the ways that we start wherewe begin to just open our eyes
and our ears to say, okay.
Could God be communicatingsomething to me?
But honestly, Ivelisse, this isa journey.
Some people do have instantradical experiences with the
spirit, and they have radicalstories, but I think more of us
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than not, it's a journey Godwants to take and a
relationship, a personalrelationship Jesus wants to
establish with us and just likeall of our relationships.
It's not one way.
You can't, you can't be, haveone person doing all the talking
or that relationship is gonnadie the same as with God.
He doesn't want you just talkingat him all the time, treating
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him like a genie in a bottlewith our prayers, telling him
everything we want.
We need to stop and learn tolisten.
And this all happens, I believe,through the, the communication
line, the Holy Spirit.
He wants us to listen to him.
We have to develop that andpractice that.
And so that's what I encouragepeople with the beginnings of
stepping into activating thespirit is look at your everyday
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surroundings right where you'replanted, and ask God with the
most simple prayer.
Lord.
I don't understand all this.
I don't even know if you canspeak to me, be so honest with
him and just say, but would youspeak to me and would you open
my eyes so I can hear you in thesmallest way?
And he will, when you ask.
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It might not happen immediately,but I believe he will show up to
you and one step leads to thenext.
Ivelisse Page (29:05):
100%, and I think it's, I think what you shared is
very important is when we'reasking or when we're speaking to
him to take notice of thingsthat are happening.
Sometimes we're just movingthrough life so quickly.
Yes.
That we don't take the time toevaluate what's happening in our
lives.
And you know, an example of thatin my life has been when, uh,
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again, when I was going throughcancer and trying to decide the
avenue of treatment that, uh, Iwas gonna go through.
Jimmy and I laid everythingbefore the Lord, and we just
prayed.
Everyone was trying to give usadvice on all these things, but
you know, we have to be our ownadvocates.
You know, the Holy Spirit willspeak to us and will open the
doors that need to be opened andclose the doors that need to be
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closed when we ask.
But we have to take notice.
And I think that's one of theimportant things that you
shared.
And I'll never forget thatduring that week that I was
really praying for direction topeople from two different walks
of life.
Told me that I had to speak tothe same doctor, Dr.
Hinberger, who at the time wasmy mistletoe doctor, and I was
like.
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Okay, there's something there.
Yes.
I need to take note.
Yes.
Yes.
And, and so I made thatappointment and that's when I
found out about mistletoetherapy and changed the
trajectory of my life.
So yes, pray, but then listen,don't just speed through life.
I love that you shared that.
Jordan Oliver (30:27):
And and writing it down, Ivelisse, this is
something are, do you journal alot?
Ivelisse Page (30:33):
Yes.
Yes.
Jordan Oliver (30:34):
Okay.
You do too.
And I am the same way.
But what I realize this is, Itell people now, I really think
you have to, that this is whenwe are trying to learn God's
voice.
I think this is a necessary keyto doing it because I would
never even remember.
You think you're gonna rememberthings and you really do not.
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And I will go back in my journaland see certain things.
There are pieces to the puzzleand they, and when you write it
down, and especially writingdates and times, God
communicates through everything,time, numbers, he can use a lot.
And I remember starting tonotice a pattern in my journal
entries.
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That on days where I was gettingmessages from the Lord or
feeling just in tune that day,you know, with him.
A lot of my journal entries wereon days with sevens in them.
Yeah.
And seven is such a biblicalnumber of completion.
Yeah.
So another thing God used, andagain, not that we're worshiping
these things or putting ourfaith in these, you know,
objects, it's everything Goduses in our world to help us
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recognize his voice and pattern.
So I would know, okay, on dayon, you know, certain days with
sevens when, when they werecoming up 17th, the seventh, I
would just, I was attuned.
I just tuned in more andsometimes he just wants us to
tune in more, so he'll usesomething to help redirect our
focus to that.
And it really, it really is,it's like training, it's
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bootcamp.
If we're talking in our militaryterms.
You have to, and likeweightlifting, you lift the 10
pounds before you get to the 20to the 30.
It's all builds upon each other.
And so recognizing and beingaware, but journaling is, is a
way that we can do that.
So I encourage everyone towrite, write, write.
Even if you think it's a tinylittle thing.
Ivelisse Page (32:23):
Yeah, I love that.
You know, I can't believe our,our time has already, you know,
come to, come to an end.
But I would love for you toshare one final encouragement
for those people who arelistening today, who feel weary,
you know, in their currentcircumstances, uh, whether it's
cancer or not, in theirspiritual battle and unsure of
the strength to continue.
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What would you say to themtoday?
Jordan Oliver (32:46):
I would say that I, what I have found and a lot
through my health battles, thankGod I did not have to face
something like cancer.
So I cannot even fathom.
But some of the health issueswere definitely really deep,
really big things.
And so every time, what reallygot me through that was pushing
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in and pressing in, literallywarring with God.
I think the biggestmisconception is that the people
we see, like you, Ivelisse,you're such a, a pillar of
strength.
You're out there.
You're such an example foreverybody.
When you're, when we see peoplespeaking and looking confident
with their faith, it really,it's not just because you're an
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anointed person.
There, there are anointings, butGod wants to speak and have that
relationship with every singleone of us.
And it's honestly, I believe theones you see speaking, they have
fought the fear.
They have gone througheverything they've just pressed
through anyway.
They haven't let it stop them.
And so I, what got me throughwas battling, warring a lot and
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going to God and saying.
God, I'm not gonna leave here.
I'm not leaving this floorgetting on my knees until you
show me something from yourperspective.
Would you give me a revelation?
Would you speak something to myheart or to my spirit, or to my
mind that is going to help mesee this situation in this
battle?
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Not as a victim, but as avictor, from your perspective?
And I believe there's a higherpurpose to this, that you're
trying to use it in my life.
To convey something to me that'sgonna be part of my purpose,
that I'm gonna be able to sharewith other people.
And that mindset, I trulybelieve is what enabled me to
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just walk through each battleand to ultimately you know, not
let it take me out.
Not let it take you out, butallows you to keep going with
hope.
And so press in.
Don't wait on God.
I guess the whole message isreally like, don't wait on God
to come to you.
Go to him and press in.
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And it's okay to to be, to beurgent about it and say, Lord,
I'm not leaving till I getsomething.
And we war for that.
I'm telling you, he, I, I, Ibelieve that when we go before
him, sincerely, he is gonnabreak through and, and show up
and reveal something to youthat's gonna give you that
endurance to keep believing andkeep standing.
Ivelisse Page (35:16):
100%.
Man, that was so well said.
Jordan, thank you so much fortaking time today to share about
Drafted and spiritual warfareand the activation of the Holy
Spirit, and how it canpractically be effective in each
of our lives whether we're goingthrough a difficult battle like
cancer or in an everyday life.
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So thank you for taking time outof your busy schedule to be with
us today, and we're just sograteful for you.
Jordan Oliver (35:43):
Oh, thank you Ivelisse.
Truly, it truly is an honor andI just am so grateful for the
opportunity.
So thank you.
I.
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