December 6, 2022 • 30 mins
Stress affects us all, especially this time of year! Stress affects our immune system and is linked to so many negative responses within our bodies. Even if you are not sick and already fighting an illness or disease, cortisol (the stress hormone) needs to be reduced in all of us.
What can we do for our bodies to help reduce our stress load?
Have you ever heard of Tapping? It's an emotional freedom technique that combines the fundamentals of ancient Chinese acupressure and psychology. It is a practice you can learn to do on your own to help you sleep, to help you relax and to help you reduce your cortisol levels and get your immune system back on track doing it's job.
Join me today as I speak with Stacy Fritz, President and CEO of Fit 2order and one of Believe Big's amazing patient advocates, as she shares her expertise on Tapping and the benefits of its practice.
Connect with Stacy at Fit 2order:
https://www.fit2order.com/
Suggested Resource Links:
- EFT Universe (website)
- The Tapping Solution (app)
- How Does Tapping Work?
- Tapping Research
- Tapping Points (pdf)
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Ivelisse Page (00:07):
Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page and thanks for listening to
the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders.
And cancer thrivers from aroundthe globe.
(00:35):
Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big Podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page.
And it's an honor to spend thistime with you.
Today, you will hear from mydear friend and colleague Stacy
Fritz on how EFT, emotionalfreedom techniques, or tapping
can help you reduce stress andnegative emotions.
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Stacy's not only one of BelieveBig's amazing patient advocates
and oversees our Food forThought webinars, but she is
also the president and CEO ofFit To Order.
Fit To Order specializes in atwork wellness solutions for our
sedentary workforce, and serveslocal, regional, and national
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clients.
Through research drivenstrategy, compelling stories and
actionable takeaways, Stacydelivers energetic, virtual, and
in-person keynotes, workshopsand trainings that will inspire
better health and wellbeing inthe workplace.
She's an amazing person and I amso excited for you to hear from
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her today.
Welcome, Stacy, to the show.
Stacy Fritz (01:42):
Thank you, Ivelisse.
It's just such a pleasure thatwe get to spend a little time
together and hang out and justtalk about all things wellness.
Ivelisse Page (01:50):
we appreciate you and all that you do.
You do amazing work in allfacets.
And as with tradition here onour show, we always like to find
out what our guest's favoritehealth tip is.
So can you share yours with us?
Stacy Fritz (02:03):
Yes ma'am.
So I thought about this Ivelisseand just have so many narrowing
it down to just one.
But as I sat quietly with it, Ireally, I guess my number one
health tip would be to come backto your breath, fitting for our
conversation today.
But I think, many don't realizethe power of really great
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breathing.
And it's something that we do,of course every single day, but
the reality is that many of uswho don't do it very well,
meaning to reap the benefits ofquality breathing.
So that would be my number onetip, learning how to breathe
really well.
Ivelisse Page (02:38):
So quickly tell us how do we breathe?
Because as you were saying thatI was taking a deep breath.
Stacy Fritz (02:42):
Yes, it's like when I talk about posture at your
desk, when I'm talking tosomebody, it's so funny cuz I
can cue it in about 10 secondslater they'll adjust and sit up,
tall.
So the breath again, we do itall moments of all parts of the
day, every single day of ourlife.
But we tend to be, as a culture,very shallow breathers.
So we breathe in the top part ofour lung space, which is not a
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great space for it to be.
We need to be learning how tobreathe deeper into the
diaphragm muscle, which isbelow, down near the belly area.
More of an east, west breathing,if you will.
So side to side instead of upand down, to really get into
that full lung capacity where wecan start to use breath
techniques to energize, to calmdown, to just find balance.
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So again, when I say learninghow to breathe correctly, I
usually will get a snickerbecause we breathe all the time,
but we tend to breathe in a waythat doesn't support
self-regulating the body.
Ivelisse Page (03:40):
Yes.
Stacy Fritz (03:40):
That's just cuz we're stressed all the time,
right?
Ivelisse Page (03:42):
Yeah.
So we need the reminders.
I need you here every day tosay, okay, breathe
Stacy Fritz (03:47):
Yes.
Ivelisse Page (03:48):
That's great.
Stacy Fritz (03:48):
It's a great transition into our conversation
because it is the foundationalpiece of the toolkit.
Ivelisse Page (03:54):
So what is tapping?
What is EFT?
It's called both, so whatexactly is it?
Stacy Fritz (03:59):
So again, I was really thinking about this.
One of the things that I love todo when I have the opportunity
to talk to folks like yourselfthat are just really spreading
an incredible message is that,how do I explain something in a
very simplistic manner thatdoesn't take us onto a a rabbit
trail of where it came from andwhat's it all about?
So the best way I can describeEFT or tapping is it's a
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combination of ancient Chineseacupuncture and then also modern
psychology.
It's really the marriage ofusing a physical tool like
tapping on certain parts of thebody and then also this, which
is unusual, bringing to mindwhatever it is that you're
stressed or you're worriedabout.
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So the idea behind it, if Icould give you a visual for the
listeners to really take note isif you think of a stream and
running water, how water flowsfreely.
And if I were to take, if I wereto stand on the side of the
stream and I were to take a bigrock and throw it into the
middle of the stream, what wouldhappen?
We would probably get a littlebit of clogging.
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We would get leaves and branchesand it would divert the water
energy, if you will.
So tapping is a way to releasethat block that I just used the
analogy.
Or acupuncture, or accu pressureis the same thing because we
know when we have blockages, bigboulders, bad things happen.
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I use the word disease, but Iwanna be super careful because I
use the word disease as in disease.
It's not flowing.
It's blocked.
It's stuck energy.
So tapping is a way to unstuckthat energy, if you will.
It allows a new pattern or afreer pattern, a better flow of
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energy, and we're trying toremove a pattern of negative
thinking with it.
Ivelisse Page (05:52):
That's a great analogy.
I love that.
I'm very picture oriented.
So that really made it clear forme.
And I know there's a lot ofresearch on acupuncture.
Is there research on how thisemotional freedom technique, the
tapping, it's effectiveness?
Stacy Fritz (06:08):
So in order for me to tell you that answer, let me
just take a step back.
We know that tapping in and ofitself is a very simplistic
tool.
If you Google it, there's agajillion searches for it,
right?
And so it's a safe, mostly safe,tool that anybody can use.
So I'd like to separate theconversation into just EFT and
tapping, and then we have thisclinical EFT, tapping, right?
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And why we started connectingthis piece, because we wanted to
start doing research on it.
So it's always great to haveevidence based information.
Ivelisse, there's more than ahundred clinical studies on EFT
and the benefits includinglowering cortisol, being able to
self-regulate the body, beingable to lift somebody up out of
a negative state.
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I hesitate to use the worddepression cuz we're gonna talk
about why you would chooseclinical EFT other than just
regular EFT that anybody isreally using.
It's the same thing withanything we do.
Somebody gets some informationand then they start doing the
protocol.
And the reality is that wereally need to stay in line with
science and research and makesure we're doing things safely.
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So there is a definite lane.
And to your original question,lots and lots of research
wrapped around it.
And it's just getting better.
EFT and tapping really hasn'tbeen around all that long,
really.
The roots started in like 1920ish.
But we didn't really starthaving this organized EFT
conversation until about 1980,1985.
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The person that's credited withhis name is, Gary Craig, and he
really simplified what othersbefore him were trying to lift
up off the ground, which ismaking this connection that you
can have this physical tool toconnect with an emotional
response one of which isnegative, bringing to light this
negative experience.
Ivelisse Page (07:56):
Yeah.
We had a clinical psychologistwho also specialized in tapping,
come to speak and teach at agrief support group, and it was
just fascinating.
So I love that youdifferentiated between the
clinical side and then one thatany of us can do in our home
when we're having a bad day orhaving a stressful moment.
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So thank you.
Stacy Fritz (08:18):
It's not that they're different.
When we talk about negative ortraumatic experiences, we don't
wanna take that lightly by anystretch or in this case, you
know why you and I are workingtogether and supporting people
who are on the canceringjourney.
That's just not an every day,I'm very sad about this, I'm
gonna use this tool to lift meup.
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Making sure that you are workingwith correct practitioners
across the board.
Lots of people say that they cando lots of things, understanding
that we all have our particularlane, I find really important.
And making sure that you don'tindicate that you are a
specialist in something whensomebody is really needing of
support deeply traumaticmemories, words, experiences,
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and whatnot.
So that's why I said having theconversation around EFT in
general is perfect because I'massuming we'll chat about how
you do it.
It's easy, it's fun, it's free.
I don't dissuade anybody, butwhat I do encourage is if we're
talking about somebody who isreally looking, it's not a
replacement therapy.
It is what I would call a toolin my toolkit to be able to help
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somebody.
It's something to try.
It's not a perfect technique andit doesn't work all the time,
but it is getting really greatresearch out of it.
So I'm super excited to seewhere we go with it.
Ivelisse Page (09:34):
That's great.
So what does a typical EFTsession look like?
Stacy Fritz (09:37):
Depending on whether or not we're taking the
lane from the clinical side orjust a general.
If you YouTube it, you canactually take yourself through
an EFT session.
If you were gonna go to acertified practitioner, I would
anticipate that there would besome sort of intake before you
got started.
And then when you actuallyschedule the session is about 60
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minutes, 90 minutes.
And what you're doing with thepractitioner is you're going to
be guided on how to set up atapping session with your
practitioner kind of guiding youthrough that script.
Whether or not he or she allowsyou or encourages you to take
that script home with you.
I have to believe that would bethe case.
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But there's a choreography I'llcall it.
There's some specific parts thatthe person that's getting ready
to have that tapping session cananticipate.
One this set up statement.
A set up statement means thatyou are actively identifying
what is troubling you.
So it would be something like, Iam feeling anxious about the
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diagnosis that I just received.
And then the next part of thatstatement, but I know that I can
find good resources to help mybody heal.
So it's a little bit of areframing, it's not a positive
outlook.
It's not putting a rainbow or abutterfly on it, but it's a
statement that is bringing tolight, that negative feeling.
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And then what happens is thepractitioner will ask you, on a
scale of one to 10 how you arefeeling right at that moment.
So let's just, we'll just makeit up.
Maybe you're feeling at thatmoment, five or six, feeling
that anxiety or that anxiousnessthat you just talked about, and
then we'll put that scale aside,and we will start the tapping.
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There are nine differentmeridian points of which you
will tap on and they follow anorder.
So for example, all tappingbegins with this karate chop
area of the side of your hand.
It doesn't matter which sideyou're tapping on because, the
meridians, they're mirroringeach other.
So left or right, it doesn'tmatter.
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You always start on that karatechop side and then the various
other eight locations includethe top of the eyebrow, the side
of the eye, the under the eye,under the nose, under the mouth,
under the collarbone, under thearmpit, and then finally
finishing with the crown of yourhead.
A lot on a podcast, but like Isaid before, you can absolutely
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YouTube it and follow along withthat order, if you will.
Throughout that whole process oftapping, your practitioner will
probably use a reminder phrase.
For example, as you're tapping apoint, I know I'm feeling
anxious, I'm fine, I know I'mfeeling anxious, I'm healing, I
know I'm feeling anxious, andit's just a way to structure the
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choreography of the tappingsession.
When the tapping session isover, you get to come back to a
really beautiful cleansingbreath.
Reminder, that was my healthtip.
And you will end the session atthat first round with another
scale assessment.
So the practitioner might say toyou, okay, how do you feel now?
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And what they're looking for isa decrease on that scale of
anxiety.
So if you start at a five orsix, we're looking for a four or
a three, right?
And so at that point, dependingon who you're working with, they
may take you through anothercycle of that choreography.
And the goal being is that weare getting you down to a place
where you feel less anxious.
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Like I said, it's not a perfecttool, but it has remarkable
results, especially with thingslike depression and anxiety,
ptsd, lots and lots of things.
And even they even have done acouple of studies on anxiety
with breast cancer.
So lots and lots of really goodstuff coming out of this really
cool tool.
Ivelisse Page (13:35):
Yeah, I love that and I love that you can do it
anywhere.
Like acupuncture, which it comesfrom acupuncture cuz of the
points that you're hitting.
You still have to go toacupuncturist to get therapy.
But let's say, you're about toenter into a stressful
situation, like I always call it"scan-xiety" before a scan, if
you're a cancer patient.
You could sit in your carbeforehand and follow the
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choreography that either yourtherapists have given you or one
that you know is meant for you.
So I love that it can be doneanywhere for college students
that are away from home or anyof us, no matter what state of
health we're in.
We all are gonna confrontstressful situations and what an
interesting and great tool touse.
Stacy Fritz (14:19):
Ironically, the nine meridian points are the
same meridian points as if youwere to go to that
acupuncturist, right?
So the acupuncturists were usingneedles to break up that
blockage or that flow.
And then if we take a step down,we would go to acupressure,
right?
No needles.
We're using, pressure points,same nine places.
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And now with this one, thetapping is following those same
nine meridian points.
So the idea is that we live inthis super stressful
environment.
It doesn't matter if we're goingthrough a cancering journey or
unfortunately, some other veryscary scenarios.
Right now the idea is that weare helping what's called the
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amygdala, you know that part inthe brain that you just equate
that with the word fear, right?
And so that part of the brain iswhen the body senses this scary
scenario or this scary feeling,automatically this stress
response comes in.
The idea with tapping is that weare disrupt ing that and we are
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telling the brain with thetapping and the exposure to the
negative feeling, it is okay torelax.
It is okay to relax.
It's the same idea with some ofour other protocols.
It's just that we are activelybringing to light that dark
feeling, using a tool and thenalso the exposure to whatever
we're thinking.
Ivelisse Page (15:43):
Yeah, I love that.
Sometimes people don't reallyfully know why they're
experiencing what they'reexperiencing.
They know they're feelinganxious or fearful, but they
really can't get to the root ofwhy.
And sometimes there may not feelcomfortable speaking to someone
at that point, or when they'regoing through a difficult
situation.
So I've heard, and can you sharewith me about this, is that
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people don't have to talk abouttheir problems or share their
life story to an EFT therapist.
Stacy Fritz (16:09):
No.
No.
And it is a way, I mean, youhave to go there a little bit.
You've actively raised your handand said, I'd like to try this
tool to be working with thispractitioner.
So it's not talk therapy, it'snot, definitely not talk
therapy.
You're going in there toidentify this negative, we'll
call it a negative emotion.
It could be a negative feeling,what whatever the issue is at
hand, but there's no detailswrapped around that.
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You're not giving necessarilythe backstory.
What you're identifying is youare asking the practitioner to
help you with this exposuretherapy.
That's what, that's really whatit's called.
It's, you are actively seekingwhat that dark feeling is.
And then we are disrupting thatconnection to a negative
internal response; the stress,the worry, the feeling, the
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insomnia, whatever it is.
We are actually creating a newpathway, rewiring thinking.
And so go back to the examplethat I gave you which is, we
always wanna come back to astate of flow.
And flow just means good energy.
There's no blockages, there's noboulders, there's no pebbles,
there's no leaves, sticks,things, clogging it up.
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The word again is dis ease.
This is a tool that providesease to the body.
It's just one tool, right?
But, again, I, what's reallyexciting for a geek like me who
loves the mindfulness piece isthat this one actually has
super, really good, not onlyanecdotal information, but these
studies that are coming out arejust really important.
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And if we can find ways that arenon-medication and not
detrimental, pulling from thebody, but nourishing the body,
that's what lights me up is waysthat you can do it yourself.
Ivelisse Page (17:50):
Love that.
And you know, as a part ofBelieve Big we do not practice
any form of new age practices.
And some people might think thatthis is some sort of spiritual
practice or even a faith-basedpractice.
So can clear that misconceptionup?
Stacy Fritz (18:04):
Sure.
So what we wanna think of isthat it is an evidence based,
body based therapy.
There's no spirituality.
This is not religious.
It's an evidence based bodytechnique.
That's how you wanna frame itout.
Now again, I'm of the mindsetthat, as simplistic as it
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sounds, you do you and everybodyshould be able to pick and
choose the tools.
This one falls under thecategory of this general
toolkit.
So no worries there whatsoeverin terms of spirituality or
religious based therapy.
This is again, evidence, bodybased therapy.
Ivelisse Page (18:43):
I love it.
So can EFT sessions be donevirtually, and what resources
would you share with yourclients?
Stacy Fritz (18:52):
I love that question.
My brother used to say that Iwas of the rainbow and unicorn
mentality.
I'm always looking for the wayto bring positivity.
And so one of the things I willsay, there were a handful of
things that came out of Covidthat I would argue fall under
the positive realm.
The one being that some of thethings that were so prohibitive
because of distance now hasbecome front and center and
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accessible very easily, virtualsessions for EFT therapy.
But two of my favorite, andagain I will share this with
your listeners.
I would like to share the PDF ofthe tapping location, so once
you figure it out you'll havethis little guide.
But the second one is called EFTUniverse.
It's a website and that's wherea lot of the information that I
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am sharing with you today comesfrom.
It talks about these clinicalstudies, the anecdotal
information, and it also has acertifying or certification
process, which I really enjoyseeing.
I tell you that because on theirsite you can find certified
practitioners.
And so the answer to yourquestion is absolutely yes.
The other side of it, if we'renot going down the clinical
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route, let's just say we aremoms that wanna give our
children a tool that maybe whenthey're stressed out with exams
or maybe having a little loveinterest issue, I have three
sons, so there's alwayssomething going on there, but
there is actually an app calledthe Tapping Solution.
And it's so inexpensive andthere's a visual in there with
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some music and it will teach youhow to tap right there from the
smartphone.
So those are my two favorites.
But if you, again, this is not,you're not gonna have a hard
time locating information aboutEFT.
What you are gonna have achallenge is you wanna be
mindful of the fact that wewanna make sure that if we have
things that are going on in ourlife that might require more
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than a Google search, that wetake the thoughtful time to
search for a practitioner thatis right for us.
Ivelisse Page (20:47):
Yes.
And how many EFT sessions haveyou seen on average?
You can't say that for everyone,but how many sessions do most
people need before they see,results?
I know that they'll see someresults with the first one.
Stacy Fritz (21:00):
Yeah, I was just gonna say the best case scenario
is somebody does an EFT sessionand it's just resolved.
Is that the case all the time?
Of course not.
I go back to my answer ofeverybody hates this answer
Ivelisse, the word is, depends.
And especially when it comes tofolks who I deeply care about
that are on this journey.
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You cannot put a prescription inplace for something that
presents so differently foreverybody's specific
circumstance.
So again, I, if I'm just talkingin generalities where people are
experiencing some day to daystress, not all stress is bad,
right?
But things that are routinestress: exams, maybe work stress
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or whatever.
We're talking about a handful oftimes it looks like on average.
But when we're talking abouttraumatic events to somebody's
life, I have no idea.
And that is the most honestanswer I can give you because
everybody's body is different.
Ivelisse Page (22:01):
Yes, and I know you touched on it before and you
mentioned something on thescale, what is the scale rating
that practitioners use whendetermining its effectiveness?
Stacy Fritz (22:12):
The scale is, and I don't believe it's as scientific
on the nonclinical side, cuzthere's another kind of therapy
that came before EFT calledThought Field Therapy.
Where it was specificdiagnostics that were attached
to the efficacy of the therapy.
But the scale that I wasreferencing is zero to 10, with
10 being the extreme feeling ofthe negative emotion, on
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whatever the emotion is.
So I think success comes fromfirst identifying what was our
first number?
What was our first number?
We came in, wound up aboutsomething.
And if after the session there'smovement in the direction
towards the zero.
I think that we call thatsuccessful.
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Now, time will tell, right?
And it's not just the one anddone.
So if we went from like an eightdown to a six, my guess is the
practitioner would ask for youto stay with it right then and
there, and maybe doing anotherround of that choreography to be
able to see if we can lower iteven more.
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The idea is to be able to givesomebody the tool to be able to
self-regulate themselves.
Ivelisse Page (23:24):
I know with prescriptions even, you take a
prescription and it lasts for acertain amount of time and so I
love that this is prescriptionfree.
And just like medicationsthough, you have to continue
continually use tools that arehelpful to you to keep restoring
your body.
Stacy Fritz (23:40):
That was the biggest joke because it's like
all the tools, you findsomething that works and then
what happens is you use exerciseas an example.
Oh my gosh, I feel so great.
I just went and I just did thisworkout, and you feel so great
that you don't do it again.
You've gotta incorporate thetools on a regular basis until
you find yourself in a placewhere you've self-regulated and
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you're feeling great, and maybeyou're not doing it as
frequently, but you come back tothe toolkit.
So what I tell our patients,Ivelisse, when we are talking
through the different resourcesthat we have the ability at
Believe Big to share, I sayfirst and foremost, it's not
ever the one tool.
It's the tool that works foryou, and it may be a combination
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of tools.
And so the second part of thatis building out the people on
your team that can help you withthe tools.
So I just, I feel like it's thispuzzle that I get so excited
about sharing because when Ihear the stories of where folks
are having struggles, it's likeI, I look inside my toolkit and
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I think to myself, this onemight be a really good fit here
and we'll try it.
And if it doesn't work, then wego back to the toolkit.
So I guess that my biggesttakeaway would be to not marry
to any one protocol, justbecause you heard somebody else
had success there.
Because what happens is then youfeel discouraged, right?
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So our job is really to providethe resources that guide
somebody who's on a journey tobe able to pick and choose their
team, and then pick and choosethe tools to work with the team
with those tools.
Ivelisse Page (25:19):
Correct.
Yes.
And I know with professionalpractitioner side of EFT and
tapping.
Do you know if insurance coversthat?
Like they cover other therapies?
Stacy Fritz (25:33):
So sad.
Not yet.
Not yet.
Ivelisse Page (25:35):
Okay.
Stacy Fritz (25:35):
Not yet.
It's not covered by insurance.
Ivelisse Page (25:38):
Is it expensive?
Stacy Fritz (25:39):
It just depends on the practitioner.
I've seen folks offer theirsessions at the hundred dollars
an hour range, and then I'veseen them go as high as in the
twos and even the threes.
Buyer beware.
And that's why I say that EFTUniverse is a great site because
I know that they're offeringchecks and balances and
certifications and they have toup their game every couple of
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years.
And those are the kinds ofthings that I think are really
important as we cherry pick ourprotocols, is that what is the
agency behind it and what is theresearch behind it, and what is
the experience and who'swatching that, right?
Because we wanna make sure thatwe pick practitioners that are
not just as we know, so sadly,that a lot of things can be
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driven.
And so I like to get a coupledifferent resources together and
then just compare.
What's the experience level?
Just because somebody chargesmore first session does not then
mean that it's necessarilybetter.
Ivelisse Page (26:35):
That's great advice.
That's really great advice.
Is there anything else that youwould like to mention about
tapping that I have not askedyou that you feel would be
important to add?
I know we're at the end of ourtime, but I would love to have
you add anything else you feelwould be important.
Stacy Fritz (26:50):
I think that we did a good job at breaking it apart.
I would just encourage just tobring it home, that if it's
something that you areinterested in, first and
foremost, like I said, we'll putsome really good links in the
show notes.
Do your research.
Don't get yourself wound intosomething that, one is gonna
stress you out more and two,that maybe you know that's not
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necessarily super importantright at this particular moment.
It's for sure something on theother side of the clinical piece
that I think that I would lovefor our kids, especially our
teenagers and our college agekids, to have a little bit of
exposure to, because mygoodness, wouldn't it be a
different world if we had atoolkit that didn't mean
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reaching for something that isless healthy than say something
that is breath based, innerbased, mindfulness based, that
could support perhaps maybepulling us through whatever
perceived crisis is happening atthe time.
And if it's not something thatis huge and traumatic, maybe
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learning about the tool beforewe need it is a really great
place for us to land.
Ivelisse Page (28:00):
Yeah, it's almost like when you were talking about
that I was thinking of like abonfire, or even roasting
marshmallows.
You would just get a garden hoseand finish putting out the fire
when you were done.
You're not gonna get a firehydrant hose and blast the fire
pit fire with that to beginwith.
So it's like finding the righttool for what you need at that
moment, depending on what you'regoing
Stacy Fritz (28:20):
Absolutely.
True or false, with the folksthat we have the opportunity to
work with, our typical firstline of defenses, oh my gosh, we
need this first, we need thissecond.
And they're big, like you said,the hose But we save the stuff
that is related to our mind bodyconnect usually falls way down
on the list, or at least that'smy experience.
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We get to that.
We get to that later.
And so my thinking or my theoryis that why don't we, while
we're waiting, why don't weexpose these kinds of tools
first to give somebody the kit,if you will, to be able to
manage some of the stress alongthe journey?
We wait.
That shouldn't be the last thingthat we choose.
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It should be one of the firstthings that we choose is to find
something that works, to settleus to invoke the parasympathetic
response, which is therelaxation response.
Something that allows the mindto settle because it's big.
The journey is big and I wish,again, I could give that gift to
folks that are just gettingstarted, because I think it's
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just that important.
Ivelisse Page (29:27):
I would encourage people to share this episode
with people that they know,because again, Stacy's going to
give us some great resourcesthat everyone can listen to and
watch and use and let us knowit.
Reach us, reach back out atinfo@believebig.org let us know
how tapping went for you.
We're curious to see how youguys feel and what you
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experience if this is the firsttime you've tried it or trying a
new therapy.
But thank you so much Stacy forjoining us, for all that you do
for Believe, Big, all that youdo for people around the country
to maintain health and to getbetter health.
And just appreciate your time.
Stacy Fritz (30:04):
I appreciate you so much.
I adore you, Ivelisse, and Ilove, love, love this show.
And I feel very grateful that Iam with you on the journey for
our folks.
Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page and thanks for listening to
the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders.
And cancer thrivers from aroundthe globe.
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Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big Podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page.
And it's an honor to spend thistime with you.
Today, you will hear from mydear friend and colleague Stacy
Fritz on how EFT, emotionalfreedom techniques, or tapping
can help you reduce stress andnegative emotions.
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Stacy's not only one of BelieveBig's amazing patient advocates
and oversees our Food forThought webinars, but she is
also the president and CEO ofFit To Order.
Fit To Order specializes in atwork wellness solutions for our
sedentary workforce, and serveslocal, regional, and national
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clients.
Through research drivenstrategy, compelling stories and
actionable takeaways, Stacydelivers energetic, virtual, and
in-person keynotes, workshopsand trainings that will inspire
better health and wellbeing inthe workplace.
She's an amazing person and I amso excited for you to hear from
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her today.
Welcome, Stacy, to the show.
Stacy Fritz (01:42):
Thank you, Ivelisse.
It's just such a pleasure thatwe get to spend a little time
together and hang out and justtalk about all things wellness.
Ivelisse Page (01:50):
we appreciate you and all that you do.
You do amazing work in allfacets.
And as with tradition here onour show, we always like to find
out what our guest's favoritehealth tip is.
So can you share yours with us?
Stacy Fritz (02:03):
Yes ma'am.
So I thought about this Ivelisseand just have so many narrowing
it down to just one.
But as I sat quietly with it, Ireally, I guess my number one
health tip would be to come backto your breath, fitting for our
conversation today.
But I think, many don't realizethe power of really great
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breathing.
And it's something that we do,of course every single day, but
the reality is that many of uswho don't do it very well,
meaning to reap the benefits ofquality breathing.
So that would be my number onetip, learning how to breathe
really well.
Ivelisse Page (02:38):
So quickly tell us how do we breathe?
Because as you were saying thatI was taking a deep breath.
Stacy Fritz (02:42):
Yes, it's like when I talk about posture at your
desk, when I'm talking tosomebody, it's so funny cuz I
can cue it in about 10 secondslater they'll adjust and sit up,
tall.
So the breath again, we do itall moments of all parts of the
day, every single day of ourlife.
But we tend to be, as a culture,very shallow breathers.
So we breathe in the top part ofour lung space, which is not a
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great space for it to be.
We need to be learning how tobreathe deeper into the
diaphragm muscle, which isbelow, down near the belly area.
More of an east, west breathing,if you will.
So side to side instead of upand down, to really get into
that full lung capacity where wecan start to use breath
techniques to energize, to calmdown, to just find balance.
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So again, when I say learninghow to breathe correctly, I
usually will get a snickerbecause we breathe all the time,
but we tend to breathe in a waythat doesn't support
self-regulating the body.
Ivelisse Page (03:40):
Yes.
Stacy Fritz (03:40):
That's just cuz we're stressed all the time,
right?
Ivelisse Page (03:42):
Yeah.
So we need the reminders.
I need you here every day tosay, okay, breathe
Stacy Fritz (03:47):
Yes.
Ivelisse Page (03:48):
That's great.
Stacy Fritz (03:48):
It's a great transition into our conversation
because it is the foundationalpiece of the toolkit.
Ivelisse Page (03:54):
So what is tapping?
What is EFT?
It's called both, so whatexactly is it?
Stacy Fritz (03:59):
So again, I was really thinking about this.
One of the things that I love todo when I have the opportunity
to talk to folks like yourselfthat are just really spreading
an incredible message is that,how do I explain something in a
very simplistic manner thatdoesn't take us onto a a rabbit
trail of where it came from andwhat's it all about?
So the best way I can describeEFT or tapping is it's a
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combination of ancient Chineseacupuncture and then also modern
psychology.
It's really the marriage ofusing a physical tool like
tapping on certain parts of thebody and then also this, which
is unusual, bringing to mindwhatever it is that you're
stressed or you're worriedabout.
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So the idea behind it, if Icould give you a visual for the
listeners to really take note isif you think of a stream and
running water, how water flowsfreely.
And if I were to take, if I wereto stand on the side of the
stream and I were to take a bigrock and throw it into the
middle of the stream, what wouldhappen?
We would probably get a littlebit of clogging.
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We would get leaves and branchesand it would divert the water
energy, if you will.
So tapping is a way to releasethat block that I just used the
analogy.
Or acupuncture, or accu pressureis the same thing because we
know when we have blockages, bigboulders, bad things happen.
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I use the word disease, but Iwanna be super careful because I
use the word disease as in disease.
It's not flowing.
It's blocked.
It's stuck energy.
So tapping is a way to unstuckthat energy, if you will.
It allows a new pattern or afreer pattern, a better flow of
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energy, and we're trying toremove a pattern of negative
thinking with it.
Ivelisse Page (05:52):
That's a great analogy.
I love that.
I'm very picture oriented.
So that really made it clear forme.
And I know there's a lot ofresearch on acupuncture.
Is there research on how thisemotional freedom technique, the
tapping, it's effectiveness?
Stacy Fritz (06:08):
So in order for me to tell you that answer, let me
just take a step back.
We know that tapping in and ofitself is a very simplistic
tool.
If you Google it, there's agajillion searches for it,
right?
And so it's a safe, mostly safe,tool that anybody can use.
So I'd like to separate theconversation into just EFT and
tapping, and then we have thisclinical EFT, tapping, right?
(06:32):
And why we started connectingthis piece, because we wanted to
start doing research on it.
So it's always great to haveevidence based information.
Ivelisse, there's more than ahundred clinical studies on EFT
and the benefits includinglowering cortisol, being able to
self-regulate the body, beingable to lift somebody up out of
a negative state.
(06:53):
I hesitate to use the worddepression cuz we're gonna talk
about why you would chooseclinical EFT other than just
regular EFT that anybody isreally using.
It's the same thing withanything we do.
Somebody gets some informationand then they start doing the
protocol.
And the reality is that wereally need to stay in line with
science and research and makesure we're doing things safely.
(07:14):
So there is a definite lane.
And to your original question,lots and lots of research
wrapped around it.
And it's just getting better.
EFT and tapping really hasn'tbeen around all that long,
really.
The roots started in like 1920ish.
But we didn't really starthaving this organized EFT
conversation until about 1980,1985.
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The person that's credited withhis name is, Gary Craig, and he
really simplified what othersbefore him were trying to lift
up off the ground, which ismaking this connection that you
can have this physical tool toconnect with an emotional
response one of which isnegative, bringing to light this
negative experience.
Ivelisse Page (07:56):
Yeah.
We had a clinical psychologistwho also specialized in tapping,
come to speak and teach at agrief support group, and it was
just fascinating.
So I love that youdifferentiated between the
clinical side and then one thatany of us can do in our home
when we're having a bad day orhaving a stressful moment.
(08:17):
So thank you.
Stacy Fritz (08:18):
It's not that they're different.
When we talk about negative ortraumatic experiences, we don't
wanna take that lightly by anystretch or in this case, you
know why you and I are workingtogether and supporting people
who are on the canceringjourney.
That's just not an every day,I'm very sad about this, I'm
gonna use this tool to lift meup.
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Making sure that you are workingwith correct practitioners
across the board.
Lots of people say that they cando lots of things, understanding
that we all have our particularlane, I find really important.
And making sure that you don'tindicate that you are a
specialist in something whensomebody is really needing of
support deeply traumaticmemories, words, experiences,
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and whatnot.
So that's why I said having theconversation around EFT in
general is perfect because I'massuming we'll chat about how
you do it.
It's easy, it's fun, it's free.
I don't dissuade anybody, butwhat I do encourage is if we're
talking about somebody who isreally looking, it's not a
replacement therapy.
It is what I would call a toolin my toolkit to be able to help
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somebody.
It's something to try.
It's not a perfect technique andit doesn't work all the time,
but it is getting really greatresearch out of it.
So I'm super excited to seewhere we go with it.
Ivelisse Page (09:34):
That's great.
So what does a typical EFTsession look like?
Stacy Fritz (09:37):
Depending on whether or not we're taking the
lane from the clinical side orjust a general.
If you YouTube it, you canactually take yourself through
an EFT session.
If you were gonna go to acertified practitioner, I would
anticipate that there would besome sort of intake before you
got started.
And then when you actuallyschedule the session is about 60
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minutes, 90 minutes.
And what you're doing with thepractitioner is you're going to
be guided on how to set up atapping session with your
practitioner kind of guiding youthrough that script.
Whether or not he or she allowsyou or encourages you to take
that script home with you.
I have to believe that would bethe case.
(10:18):
But there's a choreography I'llcall it.
There's some specific parts thatthe person that's getting ready
to have that tapping session cananticipate.
One this set up statement.
A set up statement means thatyou are actively identifying
what is troubling you.
So it would be something like, Iam feeling anxious about the
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diagnosis that I just received.
And then the next part of thatstatement, but I know that I can
find good resources to help mybody heal.
So it's a little bit of areframing, it's not a positive
outlook.
It's not putting a rainbow or abutterfly on it, but it's a
statement that is bringing tolight, that negative feeling.
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And then what happens is thepractitioner will ask you, on a
scale of one to 10 how you arefeeling right at that moment.
So let's just, we'll just makeit up.
Maybe you're feeling at thatmoment, five or six, feeling
that anxiety or that anxiousnessthat you just talked about, and
then we'll put that scale aside,and we will start the tapping.
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There are nine differentmeridian points of which you
will tap on and they follow anorder.
So for example, all tappingbegins with this karate chop
area of the side of your hand.
It doesn't matter which sideyou're tapping on because, the
meridians, they're mirroringeach other.
So left or right, it doesn'tmatter.
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You always start on that karatechop side and then the various
other eight locations includethe top of the eyebrow, the side
of the eye, the under the eye,under the nose, under the mouth,
under the collarbone, under thearmpit, and then finally
finishing with the crown of yourhead.
A lot on a podcast, but like Isaid before, you can absolutely
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YouTube it and follow along withthat order, if you will.
Throughout that whole process oftapping, your practitioner will
probably use a reminder phrase.
For example, as you're tapping apoint, I know I'm feeling
anxious, I'm fine, I know I'mfeeling anxious, I'm healing, I
know I'm feeling anxious, andit's just a way to structure the
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choreography of the tappingsession.
When the tapping session isover, you get to come back to a
really beautiful cleansingbreath.
Reminder, that was my healthtip.
And you will end the session atthat first round with another
scale assessment.
So the practitioner might say toyou, okay, how do you feel now?
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And what they're looking for isa decrease on that scale of
anxiety.
So if you start at a five orsix, we're looking for a four or
a three, right?
And so at that point, dependingon who you're working with, they
may take you through anothercycle of that choreography.
And the goal being is that weare getting you down to a place
where you feel less anxious.
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Like I said, it's not a perfecttool, but it has remarkable
results, especially with thingslike depression and anxiety,
ptsd, lots and lots of things.
And even they even have done acouple of studies on anxiety
with breast cancer.
So lots and lots of really goodstuff coming out of this really
cool tool.
Ivelisse Page (13:35):
Yeah, I love that and I love that you can do it
anywhere.
Like acupuncture, which it comesfrom acupuncture cuz of the
points that you're hitting.
You still have to go toacupuncturist to get therapy.
But let's say, you're about toenter into a stressful
situation, like I always call it"scan-xiety" before a scan, if
you're a cancer patient.
You could sit in your carbeforehand and follow the
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choreography that either yourtherapists have given you or one
that you know is meant for you.
So I love that it can be doneanywhere for college students
that are away from home or anyof us, no matter what state of
health we're in.
We all are gonna confrontstressful situations and what an
interesting and great tool touse.
Stacy Fritz (14:19):
Ironically, the nine meridian points are the
same meridian points as if youwere to go to that
acupuncturist, right?
So the acupuncturists were usingneedles to break up that
blockage or that flow.
And then if we take a step down,we would go to acupressure,
right?
No needles.
We're using, pressure points,same nine places.
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And now with this one, thetapping is following those same
nine meridian points.
So the idea is that we live inthis super stressful
environment.
It doesn't matter if we're goingthrough a cancering journey or
unfortunately, some other veryscary scenarios.
Right now the idea is that weare helping what's called the
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amygdala, you know that part inthe brain that you just equate
that with the word fear, right?
And so that part of the brain iswhen the body senses this scary
scenario or this scary feeling,automatically this stress
response comes in.
The idea with tapping is that weare disrupt ing that and we are
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telling the brain with thetapping and the exposure to the
negative feeling, it is okay torelax.
It is okay to relax.
It's the same idea with some ofour other protocols.
It's just that we are activelybringing to light that dark
feeling, using a tool and thenalso the exposure to whatever
we're thinking.
Ivelisse Page (15:43):
Yeah, I love that.
Sometimes people don't reallyfully know why they're
experiencing what they'reexperiencing.
They know they're feelinganxious or fearful, but they
really can't get to the root ofwhy.
And sometimes there may not feelcomfortable speaking to someone
at that point, or when they'regoing through a difficult
situation.
So I've heard, and can you sharewith me about this, is that
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people don't have to talk abouttheir problems or share their
life story to an EFT therapist.
Stacy Fritz (16:09):
No.
No.
And it is a way, I mean, youhave to go there a little bit.
You've actively raised your handand said, I'd like to try this
tool to be working with thispractitioner.
So it's not talk therapy, it'snot, definitely not talk
therapy.
You're going in there toidentify this negative, we'll
call it a negative emotion.
It could be a negative feeling,what whatever the issue is at
hand, but there's no detailswrapped around that.
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You're not giving necessarilythe backstory.
What you're identifying is youare asking the practitioner to
help you with this exposuretherapy.
That's what, that's really whatit's called.
It's, you are actively seekingwhat that dark feeling is.
And then we are disrupting thatconnection to a negative
internal response; the stress,the worry, the feeling, the
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insomnia, whatever it is.
We are actually creating a newpathway, rewiring thinking.
And so go back to the examplethat I gave you which is, we
always wanna come back to astate of flow.
And flow just means good energy.
There's no blockages, there's noboulders, there's no pebbles,
there's no leaves, sticks,things, clogging it up.
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The word again is dis ease.
This is a tool that providesease to the body.
It's just one tool, right?
But, again, I, what's reallyexciting for a geek like me who
loves the mindfulness piece isthat this one actually has
super, really good, not onlyanecdotal information, but these
studies that are coming out arejust really important.
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And if we can find ways that arenon-medication and not
detrimental, pulling from thebody, but nourishing the body,
that's what lights me up is waysthat you can do it yourself.
Ivelisse Page (17:50):
Love that.
And you know, as a part ofBelieve Big we do not practice
any form of new age practices.
And some people might think thatthis is some sort of spiritual
practice or even a faith-basedpractice.
So can clear that misconceptionup?
Stacy Fritz (18:04):
Sure.
So what we wanna think of isthat it is an evidence based,
body based therapy.
There's no spirituality.
This is not religious.
It's an evidence based bodytechnique.
That's how you wanna frame itout.
Now again, I'm of the mindsetthat, as simplistic as it
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sounds, you do you and everybodyshould be able to pick and
choose the tools.
This one falls under thecategory of this general
toolkit.
So no worries there whatsoeverin terms of spirituality or
religious based therapy.
This is again, evidence, bodybased therapy.
Ivelisse Page (18:43):
I love it.
So can EFT sessions be donevirtually, and what resources
would you share with yourclients?
Stacy Fritz (18:52):
I love that question.
My brother used to say that Iwas of the rainbow and unicorn
mentality.
I'm always looking for the wayto bring positivity.
And so one of the things I willsay, there were a handful of
things that came out of Covidthat I would argue fall under
the positive realm.
The one being that some of thethings that were so prohibitive
because of distance now hasbecome front and center and
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accessible very easily, virtualsessions for EFT therapy.
But two of my favorite, andagain I will share this with
your listeners.
I would like to share the PDF ofthe tapping location, so once
you figure it out you'll havethis little guide.
But the second one is called EFTUniverse.
It's a website and that's wherea lot of the information that I
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am sharing with you today comesfrom.
It talks about these clinicalstudies, the anecdotal
information, and it also has acertifying or certification
process, which I really enjoyseeing.
I tell you that because on theirsite you can find certified
practitioners.
And so the answer to yourquestion is absolutely yes.
The other side of it, if we'renot going down the clinical
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route, let's just say we aremoms that wanna give our
children a tool that maybe whenthey're stressed out with exams
or maybe having a little loveinterest issue, I have three
sons, so there's alwayssomething going on there, but
there is actually an app calledthe Tapping Solution.
And it's so inexpensive andthere's a visual in there with
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some music and it will teach youhow to tap right there from the
smartphone.
So those are my two favorites.
But if you, again, this is not,you're not gonna have a hard
time locating information aboutEFT.
What you are gonna have achallenge is you wanna be
mindful of the fact that wewanna make sure that if we have
things that are going on in ourlife that might require more
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than a Google search, that wetake the thoughtful time to
search for a practitioner thatis right for us.
Ivelisse Page (20:47):
Yes.
And how many EFT sessions haveyou seen on average?
You can't say that for everyone,but how many sessions do most
people need before they see,results?
I know that they'll see someresults with the first one.
Stacy Fritz (21:00):
Yeah, I was just gonna say the best case scenario
is somebody does an EFT sessionand it's just resolved.
Is that the case all the time?
Of course not.
I go back to my answer ofeverybody hates this answer
Ivelisse, the word is, depends.
And especially when it comes tofolks who I deeply care about
that are on this journey.
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You cannot put a prescription inplace for something that
presents so differently foreverybody's specific
circumstance.
So again, I, if I'm just talkingin generalities where people are
experiencing some day to daystress, not all stress is bad,
right?
But things that are routinestress: exams, maybe work stress
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or whatever.
We're talking about a handful oftimes it looks like on average.
But when we're talking abouttraumatic events to somebody's
life, I have no idea.
And that is the most honestanswer I can give you because
everybody's body is different.
Ivelisse Page (22:01):
Yes, and I know you touched on it before and you
mentioned something on thescale, what is the scale rating
that practitioners use whendetermining its effectiveness?
Stacy Fritz (22:12):
The scale is, and I don't believe it's as scientific
on the nonclinical side, cuzthere's another kind of therapy
that came before EFT calledThought Field Therapy.
Where it was specificdiagnostics that were attached
to the efficacy of the therapy.
But the scale that I wasreferencing is zero to 10, with
10 being the extreme feeling ofthe negative emotion, on
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whatever the emotion is.
So I think success comes fromfirst identifying what was our
first number?
What was our first number?
We came in, wound up aboutsomething.
And if after the session there'smovement in the direction
towards the zero.
I think that we call thatsuccessful.
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Now, time will tell, right?
And it's not just the one anddone.
So if we went from like an eightdown to a six, my guess is the
practitioner would ask for youto stay with it right then and
there, and maybe doing anotherround of that choreography to be
able to see if we can lower iteven more.
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The idea is to be able to givesomebody the tool to be able to
self-regulate themselves.
Ivelisse Page (23:24):
I know with prescriptions even, you take a
prescription and it lasts for acertain amount of time and so I
love that this is prescriptionfree.
And just like medicationsthough, you have to continue
continually use tools that arehelpful to you to keep restoring
your body.
Stacy Fritz (23:40):
That was the biggest joke because it's like
all the tools, you findsomething that works and then
what happens is you use exerciseas an example.
Oh my gosh, I feel so great.
I just went and I just did thisworkout, and you feel so great
that you don't do it again.
You've gotta incorporate thetools on a regular basis until
you find yourself in a placewhere you've self-regulated and
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you're feeling great, and maybeyou're not doing it as
frequently, but you come back tothe toolkit.
So what I tell our patients,Ivelisse, when we are talking
through the different resourcesthat we have the ability at
Believe Big to share, I sayfirst and foremost, it's not
ever the one tool.
It's the tool that works foryou, and it may be a combination
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of tools.
And so the second part of thatis building out the people on
your team that can help you withthe tools.
So I just, I feel like it's thispuzzle that I get so excited
about sharing because when Ihear the stories of where folks
are having struggles, it's likeI, I look inside my toolkit and
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I think to myself, this onemight be a really good fit here
and we'll try it.
And if it doesn't work, then wego back to the toolkit.
So I guess that my biggesttakeaway would be to not marry
to any one protocol, justbecause you heard somebody else
had success there.
Because what happens is then youfeel discouraged, right?
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So our job is really to providethe resources that guide
somebody who's on a journey tobe able to pick and choose their
team, and then pick and choosethe tools to work with the team
with those tools.
Ivelisse Page (25:19):
Correct.
Yes.
And I know with professionalpractitioner side of EFT and
tapping.
Do you know if insurance coversthat?
Like they cover other therapies?
Stacy Fritz (25:33):
So sad.
Not yet.
Not yet.
Ivelisse Page (25:35):
Okay.
Stacy Fritz (25:35):
Not yet.
It's not covered by insurance.
Ivelisse Page (25:38):
Is it expensive?
Stacy Fritz (25:39):
It just depends on the practitioner.
I've seen folks offer theirsessions at the hundred dollars
an hour range, and then I'veseen them go as high as in the
twos and even the threes.
Buyer beware.
And that's why I say that EFTUniverse is a great site because
I know that they're offeringchecks and balances and
certifications and they have toup their game every couple of
(26:02):
years.
And those are the kinds ofthings that I think are really
important as we cherry pick ourprotocols, is that what is the
agency behind it and what is theresearch behind it, and what is
the experience and who'swatching that, right?
Because we wanna make sure thatwe pick practitioners that are
not just as we know, so sadly,that a lot of things can be
(26:22):
driven.
And so I like to get a coupledifferent resources together and
then just compare.
What's the experience level?
Just because somebody chargesmore first session does not then
mean that it's necessarilybetter.
Ivelisse Page (26:35):
That's great advice.
That's really great advice.
Is there anything else that youwould like to mention about
tapping that I have not askedyou that you feel would be
important to add?
I know we're at the end of ourtime, but I would love to have
you add anything else you feelwould be important.
Stacy Fritz (26:50):
I think that we did a good job at breaking it apart.
I would just encourage just tobring it home, that if it's
something that you areinterested in, first and
foremost, like I said, we'll putsome really good links in the
show notes.
Do your research.
Don't get yourself wound intosomething that, one is gonna
stress you out more and two,that maybe you know that's not
(27:14):
necessarily super importantright at this particular moment.
It's for sure something on theother side of the clinical piece
that I think that I would lovefor our kids, especially our
teenagers and our college agekids, to have a little bit of
exposure to, because mygoodness, wouldn't it be a
different world if we had atoolkit that didn't mean
(27:35):
reaching for something that isless healthy than say something
that is breath based, innerbased, mindfulness based, that
could support perhaps maybepulling us through whatever
perceived crisis is happening atthe time.
And if it's not something thatis huge and traumatic, maybe
(27:56):
learning about the tool beforewe need it is a really great
place for us to land.
Ivelisse Page (28:00):
Yeah, it's almost like when you were talking about
that I was thinking of like abonfire, or even roasting
marshmallows.
You would just get a garden hoseand finish putting out the fire
when you were done.
You're not gonna get a firehydrant hose and blast the fire
pit fire with that to beginwith.
So it's like finding the righttool for what you need at that
moment, depending on what you'regoing
Stacy Fritz (28:20):
Absolutely.
True or false, with the folksthat we have the opportunity to
work with, our typical firstline of defenses, oh my gosh, we
need this first, we need thissecond.
And they're big, like you said,the hose But we save the stuff
that is related to our mind bodyconnect usually falls way down
on the list, or at least that'smy experience.
(28:42):
We get to that.
We get to that later.
And so my thinking or my theoryis that why don't we, while
we're waiting, why don't weexpose these kinds of tools
first to give somebody the kit,if you will, to be able to
manage some of the stress alongthe journey?
We wait.
That shouldn't be the last thingthat we choose.
(29:04):
It should be one of the firstthings that we choose is to find
something that works, to settleus to invoke the parasympathetic
response, which is therelaxation response.
Something that allows the mindto settle because it's big.
The journey is big and I wish,again, I could give that gift to
folks that are just gettingstarted, because I think it's
(29:26):
just that important.
Ivelisse Page (29:27):
I would encourage people to share this episode
with people that they know,because again, Stacy's going to
give us some great resourcesthat everyone can listen to and
watch and use and let us knowit.
Reach us, reach back out atinfo@believebig.org let us know
how tapping went for you.
We're curious to see how youguys feel and what you
(29:47):
experience if this is the firsttime you've tried it or trying a
new therapy.
But thank you so much Stacy forjoining us, for all that you do
for Believe, Big, all that youdo for people around the country
to maintain health and to getbetter health.
And just appreciate your time.
Stacy Fritz (30:04):
I appreciate you so much.
I adore you, Ivelisse, and Ilove, love, love this show.
And I feel very grateful that Iam with you on the journey for
our folks.
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