March 28, 2023 • 28 mins
In the information age, we are bombarded by traditional methods of healing that often fall short of supporting our needs. To thrive, we must get back to how our bodies heal themselves naturally through a combination of therapies including (but not limited to) light, vibration, PEMF (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field) therapy, manual therapy, and exercise.
Today’s podcast features Chris Hodel, my friend and an integrative practitioner who uses low-level laser therapy and rolfing to treat various conditions. Chris shares a health tip for stimulating the vagus nerve and calming the nervous system. He also explains that rolfing is a type of bodywork that unblocks the body's fascia, and how he incorporates lasers into his practice to enhance rolfing's objectives.
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https://212wellness.com
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Ivelisse Page (00:06):
Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page and thanks for listening to
the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take a deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders, and cancer thrivers
from around the globe.
(00:34):
Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page andtoday's episode is on a topic I
know you're going to enjoy,healing at the speed of light.
We are in the information agewhere just about anything is at
our fingertips.
Around every corner, we areenticed by another magic pill.
(00:55):
The problem is Americans havenever been sicker.
Our traditional methods aloneare falling short of supporting
our needs.
In order to thrive, we must getback to how our bodies heal
themselves.
Today we are going to learn frommy friend Chris Hodel, on how he
and his team are using lasers toheal you from the inside out.
(01:19):
Chris is an integrativepractitioner who is also a
certified advanced Rolfer, anexpert in low level laser
therapy.
He is the owner of 212 Wellnessin my hometown of Fort Collins,
and for 15 years Chris has beenpioneering rolfing, structural
integration along with lasers totreat a myriad of conditions
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ranging from muscular skeletalpain to gut health, to brain
health, his passions for humanperformance and all things
biohacking has put him and histeam on the tip of the sword to
integrate light, vibration, P EM F, manual therapy and exercise
to guide your body to healingyou didn't even know was
(02:05):
possible.
Welcome Chris to the show.
Chris Hodel (02:07):
Thank you Ivelisse.
I, appreciate so much being hereand I'm excited to learn more
about Believe Big.
It's a great podcast.
Ivelisse Page (02:13):
Oh, we're excited to have you.
And as with our tradition, wealways like to start with our
guest's favorite health tip.
And I know you have several, butcan you share one with us?
Chris Hodel (02:24):
This is obviously tough.
From my roots, I would say,motion is lotion, get out and
move and drink water.
But I'm hoping all yourlisteners already know of that.
I'm gonna tell you about vagusstem.
I want everybody to learn thatthey can stimulate their vagus
nerve each and every day.
I'm gonna teach you about areflex.
It's called the ocular cardiacreflex.
Ocular means eyes, cardiac meansheart.
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I would have the listeners placeyour soft finger pads on your
eyeballs, and gently press in onyour eyeballs.
It should feel really nice for afour count while you take a deep
breath in.
Hold that pressure for anotherfour seconds.
And then as you exhale, have along four second exhale, and
then hold your breath for fourseconds on that exhale.
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So each rep should take you 16seconds.
So it's like a painfully longbreath.
But it will calm down yournervous system.
We are just getting absolutelypounded with stress and fight or
flight and all that.
And we need this vagus nerve,which is 75% of your body's
ability to rest and digest.
We need to calm down.
(03:27):
So having better vagus systemactivation and better
parasympathetic tone is myhealth tip for you guys.
10 reps.
Ivelisse Page (03:35):
Oh, I love that.
Yes.
And it's funny cuz Jimmy workswith some of the Navy Seals and
when I showed him that, he waslike, yes.
that's another tip that they saythey can take into the field
with them when they're underhigh stress.
it's for kids too, I think it'sa great tool before an exam or
if you're gonna be in astressful situation.
thank you for sharing that.
Chris Hodel (03:56):
You bet.
And I would say when you dothat, it lowers your blood
pressure and your heart rate.
So it's a very specificphysiological thing that
happens.
And you're absolutely right.
Do it for kids, do it forpre-sports performance.
We all get the jitters.
Maybe I should do it before mypodcast here.
I think vagus stem is somethingeverybody can have and everybody
has access to, and it shouldjust feel good, right?
So that's my tip.
Ivelisse Page (04:17):
It does So before we get into lasers that you use
with your clients, explain tothose who are listening what is
rolfing?
I know that was a new word forme when I moved to Fort Collins.
Chris Hodel (04:28):
Yeah, Rolfing is named after Ida Rolf.
Rolfing is the type of body workwith the core value system that
leads to our structural andphysiological understanding of
root causes of pain anddysfunction.
We are fascia experts and weknow how to, as body workers
influence people's fascia tostart unblocking the body.
So we do that from a connectivetissue point of view that we'll
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talk more about later.
Energetics emotional stuff comesup all the time as well too.
So I've definitely got my rootsin sports performance and a lot
of people come in and see methat just have aches and pains
and it's help me get better,Chris.
I, administer Rolfing on people,but as I'll talk about more
later, we have taken it, I thinkquite a bit further in
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supporting our rolfingobjectives now with laser, which
interests people big time.
Ivelisse Page (05:17):
Yeah, definitely.
And how is that different thanmassage or pt?
Chris Hodel (05:22):
Yeah, I answer that question a lot too, and I never
like talking about massage or ptcuz there's so many wonderful
massage and PTs out there andthey do it different and all
that.
But I just talk about what we doas rolfers.
It's like we are very systemic,and we fix systems, not
symptoms.
So even though your shoulderhurts, I'm gonna check your rib
cage.
I'm gonna check your breath.
I'm gonna ask you how your workis going.
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We have, usually 60 or 90 minuteappointments with people.
So when I kind of joke and say,when you're trapped in my office
for 60 to 90 minutes, we juststart talking and things come
up, life comes up and I thinkthat's one of my hidden little
gems that when people can justkinda, here's what's going on
with me.
A lot of healing happens, againat an emotional and energetic
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level, and along with all themyofascial stuff that we do as
well.
That container of 60 to 90minutes is a really wonderful
asset to happen to allow peopleto get off the street and kind
of get back into their body orwhat's going on in their head
and all that.
There's a lot of great differentmodalities out there and a lot
of great different healers andeven fellow rolfers, we practice
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so differently from one another,right?
So you just gotta, I think, finda practitioner that goes, you
know what they said made senseand that's enough for me and I'm
getting better.
And that's really all peoplecare about.
It's am I getting better?
And I think you gotta strip itall away and just are we going
somewhere or are we just talkingabout the same thing every time
you come in?
Ivelisse Page (06:44):
Yeah, I agree.
And, we totally understand thosewho are listening, your
philosophy, which is what we tryand do in integrative oncology
is, the conventional world isall about band-aids and just
giving a pill for every ailment.
Where in the integrative side orin the naturopathic side,
they're trying to get to theroot cause.
What started that cancer to growin the first place and how can
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we prevent it from coming backever again.
And so it's so important thatyou address the root causes of
these injuries or issues thatpeople are having.
And we've seen it, live, withour family in so many different
capacities.
It's just been amazing.
I, I love sharing this storywith friends because both John
and Grace, had their wisdomteeth out when we moved out here
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to Fort Collins and it was anight and day difference between
their experience and Jimmy andJacobs, our older two.
Jimmy and Jacob had like thechipmunk cheeks, pain for
several days, they couldn't eat.
And I think they were a littlejealous of their youngest
siblings because you came overthe day of their surgeries and
put the lasers on and veryminimal swelling, if any.
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And they were fine like two dayslater and, and we couldn't
believe it.
Also Jimmy's back, my back,Grace had a sports injury and
they told her she would've beenout for at least eight weeks and
she was back on the field threeweeks later.
It's just incredible all thatthe rolfing and the cold laser
therapy does.
So can you share with those whoare listening how cold laser
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therapy helps one heal like it'shelped my family?
Chris Hodel (08:16):
First, I'd say two things I'd say, okay, because
most people want to talk totheir neighbors about this.
I just went and did this thing,but I don't know how to talk
about it.
And that's cool and they'repassionate.
But I tell'em two things, I saylasers increase cell energy and
lasers increase cellcommunication.
And then we can go into theprinciple is photochemistry,
similar to we know sunlighthelps plants grow and all that.
(08:38):
And we know sunlight fromvitamin D helps our bodies,
right?
So I think, when it comes downto it, we absorb photons.
And when this happens, there's aspecific photo acceptor molecule
in our mitochondria, and we'regonna talk more about
mitochondria later.
That's a big deal.
And when this locking keymechanism happens, there's a
chemical reaction that occursand the end result is your body
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makes more ATP.
So ATP is the currency that weall need to heal, and there's
all sorts of environmentalfactors that make ATP not do its
job.
There's all sorts of reasons whywe get blocked, and so lasers do
a fantastic, phenomenal job ofunblocking so many different
conditions that lead to peoplegetting unblocked and then
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healing.
So kind of make it simple hey,it's about how sunlight makes
plants grow.
We absorb energy, we absorblight.
We are light, and we are usingspecific wavelengths of light to
fix your light.
Ivelisse Page (09:34):
I love that.
I love that.
Yeah.
We had Dr.
Guillory on the episode a fewweeks back talk about P E M F
therapy, and that's another waythat our bodies, our energy is
restored and the stressors andthings like that.
You also use that a part of yourtherapy before someone begins
the light therapy.
But walk someone through thatprocess of using the cold lasers
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on an injury or on a pain thatthey're having.
Chris Hodel (09:58):
This is a big conversation too, but it's one
I'm always asked and a personcomes in and they have a booboo,
and usually it's brain, bellyand booboo is what we like to
call it, because we sure careabout gut health.
We sure care about brain healthand we care about your pain that
you're feeling going away.
But most people don't know ofthose other two, like, that we
can help their brain and we canhelp their gut.
I'll keep it short, but when aperson comes in, we have an
(10:21):
extensive consultation withthem, and tell us about your
life.
Tell us about what's worked,what hasn't worked.
You wanna develop some rapportwith people before you start
working on'em and just know alittle bit about their backstory
is super valuable.
And then we go through acomprehensive neurological
assessment with them.
And, I have learned for 15 yearsand thanks to my mentor AK or
applied kinesiology, I'm amuscle tester and I can't tell
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you how valuable that is becauseinstead of me like, oh, it must
be this, or it must be that Ican ask your body.
You are the key.
If I can access your answers inyour body, you are a lot easier
to help heal.
So I use muscle testing for allthese neurological conditions.
We do a comprehensivemusculoskeletal assessment and
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watch you move and trying tofind the movement patterns that
aren't supporting your posture.
And all these things cometogether and like, all right, we
feel like we can use laser oruse Rolfing in conjunction with
the two for helping you heal,and as complicated as sometimes
this can sound people in myexperience, you're like, man,
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that makes so much sense.
Why has nobody told me a nerve,talks to this muscle that won't
let go or won't turn on?
Or, why this always hurts on meor why my immune system isn't
working might be cuz my vagusnerve isn't doing its job.
So I have through the years toldpeople, think of me like a bio
electrician first and you've gota bunch of breakers that are
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flipped, down in your basement,and I'm gonna flip those things
back on and they should stay on.
And then, like you were alludingto earlier, what are those key
environmental factors that arelike, hey, what you eat matters
a lot.
Have you taken a foodsensitivity test?
How's your emotional support athome?
Again, the narrative of thosethings just help cross a bunch
of T's and dot a bunch of I'sand people just start healing.
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You unblock the body and thebody says, thank you.
I'm going to then be on thelaunch pad.
Did I answer your question,Ivelisse?
Ivelisse Page (12:14):
Yeah.
You know that was perfect.
I love that you say you're a bioelectrician and that you're
working to get the breakersflipped.
It's exactly right.
That's what I've experienced.
I come in with this pain and itradiating down my leg and, you
put the laser on it and I'mlike, okay, if I didn't
experience this myself, Iwouldn't believe it.
Chris Hodel (12:32):
Yeah.
Ivelisse Page (12:32):
And I know, that you have helped so many people
with so many different things,and I know that many people are
interested as far as the cancerside as well, that are listening
to our podcast.
And some studies have shownpromising results for the use of
cold laser and cancer patients.
So for example, there was astudy published in the Journal
of Clinical Oncology that foundthat low level therapy, L T, a
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type of cold laser therapy youuse was effective in reducing
oral mucosis that's an effect ofthe chemo and radiation that
patients experience from headand neck cancer.
And then there was another onewith bone metastasis from breast
cancer.
And so what are your thoughts inregards to cold laser therapy
with cancer patients?
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Is it safe for everyone or arethere certain conditions or
limitations to be aware of?
Chris Hodel (13:21):
The C word is always a word that we have to
tiptoe around with respect tohow complex it can be.
But I of keep it simple.
First, I would say consult withyour oncologist and say, Hey,
I've heard about cold lasers.
Do you know anything about it?
Have you heard, I think that'salways a smart thing to do.
There are other lasers out therethat have more of a photothermal
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effect.
I would probably stay away fromlasers of that sort, but we have
a photochemical effect.
Ivelisse Page (13:47):
How are they different?
Chris Hodel (13:49):
Photothermal is producing heat, class four
lasers.
I know there's some fantasticresearch on Class four lasers,
but there's some baggage withthem as well too.
All lasers are not createdequal, and it's not my intention
to be like, oh, class fourlasers are bad.
I'm not saying that, but inregards to cancer research,
class four lasers had a littlebit of baggage associated
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because rapid cell growth orcell proliferation in cancer is
not a good thing.
I think we're at like some12,000 PubMed research articles,
not one recorded side effect orsymptom of class two lasers or
these photochemical lasers.
That's very exciting.
So like the worst we can do isnothing.
But when you start understandingthat lasers stimulate something
(14:32):
like interleukin 10, my bigthing with cancer in all
diseases, your immune system isnever needed to be stronger.
So it's like the vagus stemmatters.
Yes.
Your brain health matters,lasers, stimulate brain support
for sure.
We know we can up-regulatethings like B D N F, brain drive
neurotrophic factor, and whichis, we call it miracle growth
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for the brain.
It's like a healthy brain is abig deal.
So we're not just saying oh, youshould have, you know, positive
self-talk, which is critical,but we're talking about the
chemistry of your brain needs tobe right.
Your lobes need to be workingcorrectly.
And I would say it's off-labeluse for how we've been using
laser for the brain, but it's sosafe and in 15 years of doing it
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you're seeing brain fog clearup.
Obviously we know a lot ofmedications can have baggage
associated with them.
If my loved one had cancer, myopinion is they would be getting
this type of laser on them forsure.
So I think it's worth, anybodywho's going through that to look
into these class two lasers andbe like, I'd like to know more.
I'd like to find somebody, whichwe'll talk at the end of the
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podcast about how to do that.
Ivelisse Page (15:39):
I didn't know that there was differences
between them.
I know that the ones that youhave are amazing at your office.
What are some different healthchallenges that lasers are
proven to support?
Chris Hodel (15:50):
Yeah.
and I'm glad you said proventoo, because what I see in 15
years is I could talk all sortsof stuff, right?
We don't have wisdom teeth, FDAapprovals, but we know for a
fact you put'em on thosechipmunk cheeks and the kids are
gonna be happier, right?
Because we know what theselasers do for inflammation and
the speed of healing and themitochondrial health.
What they are FDA approved for,Ivelisse is there's, I think
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we're at 21 of 25 of all lowlevel laser therapy.
FDA approvals are owned byErchonia, so Erchonia is E R C H
O N I A.
So they are absolutely thejuggernaut of research, of
lasers do this or lasers dothat.
A lot of other laser companieswith different power and
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wavelength outputs, siteErchonia studies as hey, lasers
do this to try and sell theirlasers.
And the wavelength and powermatters a whole lot, so I like
making sure people know that,hey, these lasers that we're
putting on you are veryresearched.
And a few of'em, chronic neckand shoulder pain, post-surgical
pain, these are all FDAapprovals.
Acne, circumference reduction inthe waist, hips and thighs,
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cellulite, plantar fasciitis,foot fungus, overall body
contouring, chronic low backpain, overall musculoskeletal.
Ivelisse Page (17:04):
Wow.
Chris Hodel (17:04):
It's very vast and, and a high school kid comes in
and they have acne.
We wanna have a conversationlike, hey, you know what, these
lasers that you can't feelactually might help support you.
Or somebody has goals forchanging themselves from the
inside out and wants some bodycontouring support.
It's like these lasers actuallydo this, and it's all pain free
and drug free.
We just call these things healthmachines because they're helping
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you at an inflammatory cytokinelevel from the inside out.
Ivelisse Page (17:31):
They really do.
Light therapy is getting moremainstream with red light
therapy that I also use andlove.
How is cold laser different fromthe red light therapy?
Chris Hodel (17:42):
This is another new one that we're trying to
navigate through, because what Ilike about this is
photochemistry is coming,becoming more and more,
mainstream, right?
Light is healing.
I like saying that too.
Light is healing, but differenttypes of light has different
effect.
And clinically we always wannamake sure we understand the
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dosage, of what we're puttinginto bodies.
And we want all that to be verymeasured, very consistent.
With safety being our primeconcern, again, not saying red
light therapy isn't safe, I'mjust saying what's most
effective seems to be coherent,monochromatic light.
Monochromatic means it stays atone wavelength.
We know 635 nanometers ofwavelength does DNA replication,
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phagocytosis, like a lot ofimportant chemistry happens at
632 to 635 nanometers, so wedon't want it jump in, back and
forth.
So some types of light therapyhave different wavelengths that
is more of a scattered light andnot really consistent light.
If you had a shotgun and youwent deer hunting, maybe you
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might get a pellet in that deer,but it's not gonna be as
effective as a rifle.
And I'm sorry for animal loversout there.
Maybe that was just the Alaskanin me that came out, but we
wanna be very specific whenwe're talking about
mitochondria.
We want to deliver a specificdosage of energy into that cell.
Cause too much power and erraticwavelengths had deleterious
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effects on cell biology too.
I just hope the end result isnot oh, red light therapy is not
good, but lasers are adifferent, it's a different
ballgame a little bit, and Ilike the idea of, hey, light
therapy is becoming more andmore mainstream and I'm happy to
have the safest, I thinkabsolutely think most effective
form of that light therapy tohelp my clients.
Ivelisse Page (19:33):
Yeah.
And I think both, it's noteither or.
We can't come into your officeevery day, but at home.
I have something that, those whoare not in Colorado like we are,
that doesn't have the sunshining, like it's really good
for mood.
I know for me it really helps meto sleep better at night, the
red light therapy, but yourshave that healing property to
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it.
I literally see the inflammationreduction.
I see the pain reduction when Icouldn't even walk.
I couldn't even move and it justdid miraculous things to my back
and Jimmy's.
Again, if I hadn't experiencedit, I would not have thought
that it would've done all ofthat without, without using
Advil and all the other painrelievers.
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That's the other part too.
Yeah, you can artificially addthose things, which are not good
for our liver, but just usingthe light therapy alone was
incredible.
Chris Hodel (20:25):
Yeah, and I appreciate you saying and to
Ivelisse, because you're right.
people can't come in and see meevery day and we need adjunctive
therapies that say, you knowwhat, when I do this, I feel
better.
And it's, it's in line with howour bodies heal themselves.
It's not the Band-Aid stuff.
So I appreciate you saying that.
And I'm behind that too.
I always just try and be anexpert at laser.
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And so sometimes compare thesetwo, it's oh gosh, that's
dangerous territory, but we havesuch a small time with people,
whether it's in their week or intheir month, and we just have to
make it a healing explosionhappen in that time.
We need as much mitochondrialhealing to happen as, as fast as
possible.
So I think maybe that's my pointthere.
Ivelisse Page (21:07):
Yes.
And what are some commonmisconceptions about cold laser
therapies that you would like toclear up?
Are there any?
Chris Hodel (21:13):
Definitely, I think a funny one we deal with a lot
is I don't feel the laser, is itdoing anything?
We like to say you don't feelthe laser, you feel the effects
of the laser, right?
When I test you, and as amazingas you are, if we find hey,
Ivelisse's brain showed up andthis hemisphere you test weak as
a kitten.
And then we put a laser up onyour head for 30 seconds and I
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make you move your foot or saythe alphabet or something like
that, or hum happy birthday todrive your neurology.
And then we retest you in 30, 60seconds and go holy smokes.
That was a different response,right?
It's like your body mitochondriain your brain just absorbed that
energy.
It linked you up and all of asudden you muscle tested
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different.
So where the rubber meets theroad too is okay, hopefully she
comes in and says man, this isbetter, that's better.
And that's how we learn, okay,last treatment was effective and
we're on the right path.
And then the last thing I wouldprobably mention, Ivelisse, a
lot of people think more poweris good and the inverse is true.
The research is showing morepower was less effective than
less power.
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So when I tell people I have a7.5 milliwatt laser, people are
like, boy, that's just seemslike nothing.
we think of a 60 wat light bulb.
I have a 7.5 thousandths of onewatt laser.
They're like, how is that gonnado anything?
How is that gonna penetrate?
And what we know is it's allabout energy.
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It is not about power.
It is about energy.
And that's what the researchsays.
So if people wanna dive intothat, more energy was better.
There's certain amount of energyyou don't want.
But that's why the wavelength isso important.
It's like it doesn't move intothe dangerous area.
It stays right in thatbiological window of your body
unblocking itself.
For those listening out there,please do not be enticed by,
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hey, we have the most powerfullaser to penetrate deeper.
Our violet laser goes throughyour body in about four
quadrillionth of a second.
So wrap your brain around, youknow, your body is basically
made of water and collagen,which are very conductive, and
that little laser that you can'tfeel goes through your body that
fast.
Why are we talking about howdeep things go?
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Our lasers actually onlypenetrate a few millimeters, but
instantly your cells areentangled and communicated in
this network that conductsenergy throughout.
So I'm not trying to laser yourtoe to make you have a better
immune system.
However, lasers are verysystemic and you just start
getting those things on yourbody and you start feeling
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better.
Ivelisse Page (23:44):
I have a lot of friends whose kids play sports
and concussions, how do lasersaffect concussions?
Chris Hodel (23:50):
I'm excited, I haven't done my trainings yet,
but I'm gonna be a concussionspecialist someday soon because
I know stopping the inflammatorycascade and sometimes these,
high school moms are calling methe night of the game.
They're texting me like, yourclient just got knocked out.
and then we try and rent themlasers or I'll come in, on a
Saturday or something like thatand it's like you have to get
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laser on them immediately.
You have this magical 12 to 24hour window to stop this, it's
called the glutamate cascade.
So supplements are important inthat first window and laser
absolutely is being shown tosupport concussions, hundred
percent.
Ivelisse Page (24:28):
Okay.
Chris Hodel (24:29):
And vagus stimulation, absolutely as well,
the brain and the gut.
Here's a funny one too, notfunny, serious and scary.
When you eat foods that inflameyou, it can give you a
concussion.
So we think of hitting our headand we think of hitting our head
as being a concussion.
You can have concussive symptomsby eating foods that are just
that bad for you or inflame you.
Ivelisse Page (24:50):
Wow.
Chris Hodel (24:51):
And that's this kind of vagus nerve connection
going on.
So it's important to laser thebelly.
It's important to laser thehead, the brain that is.
So concussions are needing to besupported more than they have in
the past.
Ivelisse Page (25:03):
And can someone activate that vagus nerve, like
with your health tip that youshared at the beginning?
If they have a concussion, sothey stay in a dark room?
Chris Hodel (25:11):
Hundred percent.
Again, when I get some training,I'll be like, oh, that's why
they say dark room or, I knowit's light sensitivity stuff.
And it's called the oculomotornerve constriction dilates the
pupil.
And when we hit our head, someof these wiring doesn't work.
And that's actually some of myconcussive tests that I do on
people.
I've heard from some otherexperts that say, you do not
want to limit activity and youdon't want to go jump on a
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trampoline, but it's do an armbike or something like that,
drive pathways.
I'm not giving advice yetbecause like I said, I want to
do training, but it sounds likeyou being in a dark room might
not be the end all be all tosupport getting that concussion
better.
Ivelisse Page (25:50):
Yeah.
And so I know that my friends inMaryland and people are
listening from all over thecountry and they can't come to
you in Fort Collinsunfortunately.
Chris Hodel (25:58):
So fly here.
Come see your buddy Ivelisse andfly here.
Ivelisse Page (26:02):
Absolutely.
Everyone's welcome! Yeah.
But how do people find apractitioner?
How do they know that they'reusing the right lasers and that
they're doing the rightprocesses?
What would be your best adviceto find a person trained as you
are?
Chris Hodel (26:16):
My best advice would be, I gave the company
earlier Erchonia, so E R C H O NI A erchonica.com, and it says
find a physician or find adoctor or find a provider.
It says something like that, butthen you type in your zip code.
And, more and more lasers arepopping up all around you guys
that are not in Fort Collins,Colorado.
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Then you go in, you have aconsultation and be like, I'm
excited about lasers.
Okay.
How do you use lasers?
Cause I, I am pretty progressivewith how I've learned how to use
my lasers in 15 years and what Icare about.
And there's other people thatare just a little bit more point
and shoot.
But the cool thing is thestudies are showing that point
and shoot can be awfullyeffective.
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It's just as much as you can bean integrated practitioner, you
are going to increase yourclinical outcomes significantly.
If you can have hands on, tohave some inner game
conversations about what's goingon in their head and their life.
You're just gonna support themin more than just, did my laser
help you?
Ivelisse Page (27:17):
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much, Chris,for taking the time out of your
busy day to be on the podcastand share with us about how
lasers are so healing and aboutwhat you do, and we just really
appreciate you.
Chris Hodel (27:29):
I think the world of you Ivelisse, and thank you
Believe Big, and, I'm excited tokeep listening to your guys'
podcasts and keep bringing,practitioners on here so we can
all learn and get better.
Ivelisse Page (27:45):
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Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page and thanks for listening to
the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take a deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders, and cancer thrivers
from around the globe.
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Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page andtoday's episode is on a topic I
know you're going to enjoy,healing at the speed of light.
We are in the information agewhere just about anything is at
our fingertips.
Around every corner, we areenticed by another magic pill.
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The problem is Americans havenever been sicker.
Our traditional methods aloneare falling short of supporting
our needs.
In order to thrive, we must getback to how our bodies heal
themselves.
Today we are going to learn frommy friend Chris Hodel, on how he
and his team are using lasers toheal you from the inside out.
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Chris is an integrativepractitioner who is also a
certified advanced Rolfer, anexpert in low level laser
therapy.
He is the owner of 212 Wellnessin my hometown of Fort Collins,
and for 15 years Chris has beenpioneering rolfing, structural
integration along with lasers totreat a myriad of conditions
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ranging from muscular skeletalpain to gut health, to brain
health, his passions for humanperformance and all things
biohacking has put him and histeam on the tip of the sword to
integrate light, vibration, P EM F, manual therapy and exercise
to guide your body to healingyou didn't even know was
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possible.
Welcome Chris to the show.
Chris Hodel (02:07):
Thank you Ivelisse.
I, appreciate so much being hereand I'm excited to learn more
about Believe Big.
It's a great podcast.
Ivelisse Page (02:13):
Oh, we're excited to have you.
And as with our tradition, wealways like to start with our
guest's favorite health tip.
And I know you have several, butcan you share one with us?
Chris Hodel (02:24):
This is obviously tough.
From my roots, I would say,motion is lotion, get out and
move and drink water.
But I'm hoping all yourlisteners already know of that.
I'm gonna tell you about vagusstem.
I want everybody to learn thatthey can stimulate their vagus
nerve each and every day.
I'm gonna teach you about areflex.
It's called the ocular cardiacreflex.
Ocular means eyes, cardiac meansheart.
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I would have the listeners placeyour soft finger pads on your
eyeballs, and gently press in onyour eyeballs.
It should feel really nice for afour count while you take a deep
breath in.
Hold that pressure for anotherfour seconds.
And then as you exhale, have along four second exhale, and
then hold your breath for fourseconds on that exhale.
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So each rep should take you 16seconds.
So it's like a painfully longbreath.
But it will calm down yournervous system.
We are just getting absolutelypounded with stress and fight or
flight and all that.
And we need this vagus nerve,which is 75% of your body's
ability to rest and digest.
We need to calm down.
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So having better vagus systemactivation and better
parasympathetic tone is myhealth tip for you guys.
10 reps.
Ivelisse Page (03:35):
Oh, I love that.
Yes.
And it's funny cuz Jimmy workswith some of the Navy Seals and
when I showed him that, he waslike, yes.
that's another tip that they saythey can take into the field
with them when they're underhigh stress.
it's for kids too, I think it'sa great tool before an exam or
if you're gonna be in astressful situation.
thank you for sharing that.
Chris Hodel (03:56):
You bet.
And I would say when you dothat, it lowers your blood
pressure and your heart rate.
So it's a very specificphysiological thing that
happens.
And you're absolutely right.
Do it for kids, do it forpre-sports performance.
We all get the jitters.
Maybe I should do it before mypodcast here.
I think vagus stem is somethingeverybody can have and everybody
has access to, and it shouldjust feel good, right?
So that's my tip.
Ivelisse Page (04:17):
It does So before we get into lasers that you use
with your clients, explain tothose who are listening what is
rolfing?
I know that was a new word forme when I moved to Fort Collins.
Chris Hodel (04:28):
Yeah, Rolfing is named after Ida Rolf.
Rolfing is the type of body workwith the core value system that
leads to our structural andphysiological understanding of
root causes of pain anddysfunction.
We are fascia experts and weknow how to, as body workers
influence people's fascia tostart unblocking the body.
So we do that from a connectivetissue point of view that we'll
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talk more about later.
Energetics emotional stuff comesup all the time as well too.
So I've definitely got my rootsin sports performance and a lot
of people come in and see methat just have aches and pains
and it's help me get better,Chris.
I, administer Rolfing on people,but as I'll talk about more
later, we have taken it, I thinkquite a bit further in
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supporting our rolfingobjectives now with laser, which
interests people big time.
Ivelisse Page (05:17):
Yeah, definitely.
And how is that different thanmassage or pt?
Chris Hodel (05:22):
Yeah, I answer that question a lot too, and I never
like talking about massage or ptcuz there's so many wonderful
massage and PTs out there andthey do it different and all
that.
But I just talk about what we doas rolfers.
It's like we are very systemic,and we fix systems, not
symptoms.
So even though your shoulderhurts, I'm gonna check your rib
cage.
I'm gonna check your breath.
I'm gonna ask you how your workis going.
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We have, usually 60 or 90 minuteappointments with people.
So when I kind of joke and say,when you're trapped in my office
for 60 to 90 minutes, we juststart talking and things come
up, life comes up and I thinkthat's one of my hidden little
gems that when people can justkinda, here's what's going on
with me.
A lot of healing happens, againat an emotional and energetic
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level, and along with all themyofascial stuff that we do as
well.
That container of 60 to 90minutes is a really wonderful
asset to happen to allow peopleto get off the street and kind
of get back into their body orwhat's going on in their head
and all that.
There's a lot of great differentmodalities out there and a lot
of great different healers andeven fellow rolfers, we practice
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so differently from one another,right?
So you just gotta, I think, finda practitioner that goes, you
know what they said made senseand that's enough for me and I'm
getting better.
And that's really all peoplecare about.
It's am I getting better?
And I think you gotta strip itall away and just are we going
somewhere or are we just talkingabout the same thing every time
you come in?
Ivelisse Page (06:44):
Yeah, I agree.
And, we totally understand thosewho are listening, your
philosophy, which is what we tryand do in integrative oncology
is, the conventional world isall about band-aids and just
giving a pill for every ailment.
Where in the integrative side orin the naturopathic side,
they're trying to get to theroot cause.
What started that cancer to growin the first place and how can
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we prevent it from coming backever again.
And so it's so important thatyou address the root causes of
these injuries or issues thatpeople are having.
And we've seen it, live, withour family in so many different
capacities.
It's just been amazing.
I, I love sharing this storywith friends because both John
and Grace, had their wisdomteeth out when we moved out here
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to Fort Collins and it was anight and day difference between
their experience and Jimmy andJacobs, our older two.
Jimmy and Jacob had like thechipmunk cheeks, pain for
several days, they couldn't eat.
And I think they were a littlejealous of their youngest
siblings because you came overthe day of their surgeries and
put the lasers on and veryminimal swelling, if any.
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And they were fine like two dayslater and, and we couldn't
believe it.
Also Jimmy's back, my back,Grace had a sports injury and
they told her she would've beenout for at least eight weeks and
she was back on the field threeweeks later.
It's just incredible all thatthe rolfing and the cold laser
therapy does.
So can you share with those whoare listening how cold laser
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therapy helps one heal like it'shelped my family?
Chris Hodel (08:16):
First, I'd say two things I'd say, okay, because
most people want to talk totheir neighbors about this.
I just went and did this thing,but I don't know how to talk
about it.
And that's cool and they'repassionate.
But I tell'em two things, I saylasers increase cell energy and
lasers increase cellcommunication.
And then we can go into theprinciple is photochemistry,
similar to we know sunlighthelps plants grow and all that.
(08:38):
And we know sunlight fromvitamin D helps our bodies,
right?
So I think, when it comes downto it, we absorb photons.
And when this happens, there's aspecific photo acceptor molecule
in our mitochondria, and we'regonna talk more about
mitochondria later.
That's a big deal.
And when this locking keymechanism happens, there's a
chemical reaction that occursand the end result is your body
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makes more ATP.
So ATP is the currency that weall need to heal, and there's
all sorts of environmentalfactors that make ATP not do its
job.
There's all sorts of reasons whywe get blocked, and so lasers do
a fantastic, phenomenal job ofunblocking so many different
conditions that lead to peoplegetting unblocked and then
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healing.
So kind of make it simple hey,it's about how sunlight makes
plants grow.
We absorb energy, we absorblight.
We are light, and we are usingspecific wavelengths of light to
fix your light.
Ivelisse Page (09:34):
I love that.
I love that.
Yeah.
We had Dr.
Guillory on the episode a fewweeks back talk about P E M F
therapy, and that's another waythat our bodies, our energy is
restored and the stressors andthings like that.
You also use that a part of yourtherapy before someone begins
the light therapy.
But walk someone through thatprocess of using the cold lasers
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on an injury or on a pain thatthey're having.
Chris Hodel (09:58):
This is a big conversation too, but it's one
I'm always asked and a personcomes in and they have a booboo,
and usually it's brain, bellyand booboo is what we like to
call it, because we sure careabout gut health.
We sure care about brain healthand we care about your pain that
you're feeling going away.
But most people don't know ofthose other two, like, that we
can help their brain and we canhelp their gut.
I'll keep it short, but when aperson comes in, we have an
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extensive consultation withthem, and tell us about your
life.
Tell us about what's worked,what hasn't worked.
You wanna develop some rapportwith people before you start
working on'em and just know alittle bit about their backstory
is super valuable.
And then we go through acomprehensive neurological
assessment with them.
And, I have learned for 15 yearsand thanks to my mentor AK or
applied kinesiology, I'm amuscle tester and I can't tell
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you how valuable that is becauseinstead of me like, oh, it must
be this, or it must be that Ican ask your body.
You are the key.
If I can access your answers inyour body, you are a lot easier
to help heal.
So I use muscle testing for allthese neurological conditions.
We do a comprehensivemusculoskeletal assessment and
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watch you move and trying tofind the movement patterns that
aren't supporting your posture.
And all these things cometogether and like, all right, we
feel like we can use laser oruse Rolfing in conjunction with
the two for helping you heal,and as complicated as sometimes
this can sound people in myexperience, you're like, man,
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that makes so much sense.
Why has nobody told me a nerve,talks to this muscle that won't
let go or won't turn on?
Or, why this always hurts on meor why my immune system isn't
working might be cuz my vagusnerve isn't doing its job.
So I have through the years toldpeople, think of me like a bio
electrician first and you've gota bunch of breakers that are
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flipped, down in your basement,and I'm gonna flip those things
back on and they should stay on.
And then, like you were alludingto earlier, what are those key
environmental factors that arelike, hey, what you eat matters
a lot.
Have you taken a foodsensitivity test?
How's your emotional support athome?
Again, the narrative of thosethings just help cross a bunch
of T's and dot a bunch of I'sand people just start healing.
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You unblock the body and thebody says, thank you.
I'm going to then be on thelaunch pad.
Did I answer your question,Ivelisse?
Ivelisse Page (12:14):
Yeah.
You know that was perfect.
I love that you say you're a bioelectrician and that you're
working to get the breakersflipped.
It's exactly right.
That's what I've experienced.
I come in with this pain and itradiating down my leg and, you
put the laser on it and I'mlike, okay, if I didn't
experience this myself, Iwouldn't believe it.
Chris Hodel (12:32):
Yeah.
Ivelisse Page (12:32):
And I know, that you have helped so many people
with so many different things,and I know that many people are
interested as far as the cancerside as well, that are listening
to our podcast.
And some studies have shownpromising results for the use of
cold laser and cancer patients.
So for example, there was astudy published in the Journal
of Clinical Oncology that foundthat low level therapy, L T, a
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type of cold laser therapy youuse was effective in reducing
oral mucosis that's an effect ofthe chemo and radiation that
patients experience from headand neck cancer.
And then there was another onewith bone metastasis from breast
cancer.
And so what are your thoughts inregards to cold laser therapy
with cancer patients?
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Is it safe for everyone or arethere certain conditions or
limitations to be aware of?
Chris Hodel (13:21):
The C word is always a word that we have to
tiptoe around with respect tohow complex it can be.
But I of keep it simple.
First, I would say consult withyour oncologist and say, Hey,
I've heard about cold lasers.
Do you know anything about it?
Have you heard, I think that'salways a smart thing to do.
There are other lasers out therethat have more of a photothermal
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effect.
I would probably stay away fromlasers of that sort, but we have
a photochemical effect.
Ivelisse Page (13:47):
How are they different?
Chris Hodel (13:49):
Photothermal is producing heat, class four
lasers.
I know there's some fantasticresearch on Class four lasers,
but there's some baggage withthem as well too.
All lasers are not createdequal, and it's not my intention
to be like, oh, class fourlasers are bad.
I'm not saying that, but inregards to cancer research,
class four lasers had a littlebit of baggage associated
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because rapid cell growth orcell proliferation in cancer is
not a good thing.
I think we're at like some12,000 PubMed research articles,
not one recorded side effect orsymptom of class two lasers or
these photochemical lasers.
That's very exciting.
So like the worst we can do isnothing.
But when you start understandingthat lasers stimulate something
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like interleukin 10, my bigthing with cancer in all
diseases, your immune system isnever needed to be stronger.
So it's like the vagus stemmatters.
Yes.
Your brain health matters,lasers, stimulate brain support
for sure.
We know we can up-regulatethings like B D N F, brain drive
neurotrophic factor, and whichis, we call it miracle growth
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for the brain.
It's like a healthy brain is abig deal.
So we're not just saying oh, youshould have, you know, positive
self-talk, which is critical,but we're talking about the
chemistry of your brain needs tobe right.
Your lobes need to be workingcorrectly.
And I would say it's off-labeluse for how we've been using
laser for the brain, but it's sosafe and in 15 years of doing it
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you're seeing brain fog clearup.
Obviously we know a lot ofmedications can have baggage
associated with them.
If my loved one had cancer, myopinion is they would be getting
this type of laser on them forsure.
So I think it's worth, anybodywho's going through that to look
into these class two lasers andbe like, I'd like to know more.
I'd like to find somebody, whichwe'll talk at the end of the
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podcast about how to do that.
Ivelisse Page (15:39):
I didn't know that there was differences
between them.
I know that the ones that youhave are amazing at your office.
What are some different healthchallenges that lasers are
proven to support?
Chris Hodel (15:50):
Yeah.
and I'm glad you said proventoo, because what I see in 15
years is I could talk all sortsof stuff, right?
We don't have wisdom teeth, FDAapprovals, but we know for a
fact you put'em on thosechipmunk cheeks and the kids are
gonna be happier, right?
Because we know what theselasers do for inflammation and
the speed of healing and themitochondrial health.
What they are FDA approved for,Ivelisse is there's, I think
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we're at 21 of 25 of all lowlevel laser therapy.
FDA approvals are owned byErchonia, so Erchonia is E R C H
O N I A.
So they are absolutely thejuggernaut of research, of
lasers do this or lasers dothat.
A lot of other laser companieswith different power and
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wavelength outputs, siteErchonia studies as hey, lasers
do this to try and sell theirlasers.
And the wavelength and powermatters a whole lot, so I like
making sure people know that,hey, these lasers that we're
putting on you are veryresearched.
And a few of'em, chronic neckand shoulder pain, post-surgical
pain, these are all FDAapprovals.
Acne, circumference reduction inthe waist, hips and thighs,
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cellulite, plantar fasciitis,foot fungus, overall body
contouring, chronic low backpain, overall musculoskeletal.
Ivelisse Page (17:04):
Wow.
Chris Hodel (17:04):
It's very vast and, and a high school kid comes in
and they have acne.
We wanna have a conversationlike, hey, you know what, these
lasers that you can't feelactually might help support you.
Or somebody has goals forchanging themselves from the
inside out and wants some bodycontouring support.
It's like these lasers actuallydo this, and it's all pain free
and drug free.
We just call these things healthmachines because they're helping
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you at an inflammatory cytokinelevel from the inside out.
Ivelisse Page (17:31):
They really do.
Light therapy is getting moremainstream with red light
therapy that I also use andlove.
How is cold laser different fromthe red light therapy?
Chris Hodel (17:42):
This is another new one that we're trying to
navigate through, because what Ilike about this is
photochemistry is coming,becoming more and more,
mainstream, right?
Light is healing.
I like saying that too.
Light is healing, but differenttypes of light has different
effect.
And clinically we always wannamake sure we understand the
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dosage, of what we're puttinginto bodies.
And we want all that to be verymeasured, very consistent.
With safety being our primeconcern, again, not saying red
light therapy isn't safe, I'mjust saying what's most
effective seems to be coherent,monochromatic light.
Monochromatic means it stays atone wavelength.
We know 635 nanometers ofwavelength does DNA replication,
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phagocytosis, like a lot ofimportant chemistry happens at
632 to 635 nanometers, so wedon't want it jump in, back and
forth.
So some types of light therapyhave different wavelengths that
is more of a scattered light andnot really consistent light.
If you had a shotgun and youwent deer hunting, maybe you
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might get a pellet in that deer,but it's not gonna be as
effective as a rifle.
And I'm sorry for animal loversout there.
Maybe that was just the Alaskanin me that came out, but we
wanna be very specific whenwe're talking about
mitochondria.
We want to deliver a specificdosage of energy into that cell.
Cause too much power and erraticwavelengths had deleterious
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effects on cell biology too.
I just hope the end result isnot oh, red light therapy is not
good, but lasers are adifferent, it's a different
ballgame a little bit, and Ilike the idea of, hey, light
therapy is becoming more andmore mainstream and I'm happy to
have the safest, I thinkabsolutely think most effective
form of that light therapy tohelp my clients.
Ivelisse Page (19:33):
Yeah.
And I think both, it's noteither or.
We can't come into your officeevery day, but at home.
I have something that, those whoare not in Colorado like we are,
that doesn't have the sunshining, like it's really good
for mood.
I know for me it really helps meto sleep better at night, the
red light therapy, but yourshave that healing property to
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it.
I literally see the inflammationreduction.
I see the pain reduction when Icouldn't even walk.
I couldn't even move and it justdid miraculous things to my back
and Jimmy's.
Again, if I hadn't experiencedit, I would not have thought
that it would've done all ofthat without, without using
Advil and all the other painrelievers.
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That's the other part too.
Yeah, you can artificially addthose things, which are not good
for our liver, but just usingthe light therapy alone was
incredible.
Chris Hodel (20:25):
Yeah, and I appreciate you saying and to
Ivelisse, because you're right.
people can't come in and see meevery day and we need adjunctive
therapies that say, you knowwhat, when I do this, I feel
better.
And it's, it's in line with howour bodies heal themselves.
It's not the Band-Aid stuff.
So I appreciate you saying that.
And I'm behind that too.
I always just try and be anexpert at laser.
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And so sometimes compare thesetwo, it's oh gosh, that's
dangerous territory, but we havesuch a small time with people,
whether it's in their week or intheir month, and we just have to
make it a healing explosionhappen in that time.
We need as much mitochondrialhealing to happen as, as fast as
possible.
So I think maybe that's my pointthere.
Ivelisse Page (21:07):
Yes.
And what are some commonmisconceptions about cold laser
therapies that you would like toclear up?
Are there any?
Chris Hodel (21:13):
Definitely, I think a funny one we deal with a lot
is I don't feel the laser, is itdoing anything?
We like to say you don't feelthe laser, you feel the effects
of the laser, right?
When I test you, and as amazingas you are, if we find hey,
Ivelisse's brain showed up andthis hemisphere you test weak as
a kitten.
And then we put a laser up onyour head for 30 seconds and I
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make you move your foot or saythe alphabet or something like
that, or hum happy birthday todrive your neurology.
And then we retest you in 30, 60seconds and go holy smokes.
That was a different response,right?
It's like your body mitochondriain your brain just absorbed that
energy.
It linked you up and all of asudden you muscle tested
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different.
So where the rubber meets theroad too is okay, hopefully she
comes in and says man, this isbetter, that's better.
And that's how we learn, okay,last treatment was effective and
we're on the right path.
And then the last thing I wouldprobably mention, Ivelisse, a
lot of people think more poweris good and the inverse is true.
The research is showing morepower was less effective than
less power.
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So when I tell people I have a7.5 milliwatt laser, people are
like, boy, that's just seemslike nothing.
we think of a 60 wat light bulb.
I have a 7.5 thousandths of onewatt laser.
They're like, how is that gonnado anything?
How is that gonna penetrate?
And what we know is it's allabout energy.
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It is not about power.
It is about energy.
And that's what the researchsays.
So if people wanna dive intothat, more energy was better.
There's certain amount of energyyou don't want.
But that's why the wavelength isso important.
It's like it doesn't move intothe dangerous area.
It stays right in thatbiological window of your body
unblocking itself.
For those listening out there,please do not be enticed by,
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hey, we have the most powerfullaser to penetrate deeper.
Our violet laser goes throughyour body in about four
quadrillionth of a second.
So wrap your brain around, youknow, your body is basically
made of water and collagen,which are very conductive, and
that little laser that you can'tfeel goes through your body that
fast.
Why are we talking about howdeep things go?
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Our lasers actually onlypenetrate a few millimeters, but
instantly your cells areentangled and communicated in
this network that conductsenergy throughout.
So I'm not trying to laser yourtoe to make you have a better
immune system.
However, lasers are verysystemic and you just start
getting those things on yourbody and you start feeling
(23:44):
better.
Ivelisse Page (23:44):
I have a lot of friends whose kids play sports
and concussions, how do lasersaffect concussions?
Chris Hodel (23:50):
I'm excited, I haven't done my trainings yet,
but I'm gonna be a concussionspecialist someday soon because
I know stopping the inflammatorycascade and sometimes these,
high school moms are calling methe night of the game.
They're texting me like, yourclient just got knocked out.
and then we try and rent themlasers or I'll come in, on a
Saturday or something like thatand it's like you have to get
(24:13):
laser on them immediately.
You have this magical 12 to 24hour window to stop this, it's
called the glutamate cascade.
So supplements are important inthat first window and laser
absolutely is being shown tosupport concussions, hundred
percent.
Ivelisse Page (24:28):
Okay.
Chris Hodel (24:29):
And vagus stimulation, absolutely as well,
the brain and the gut.
Here's a funny one too, notfunny, serious and scary.
When you eat foods that inflameyou, it can give you a
concussion.
So we think of hitting our headand we think of hitting our head
as being a concussion.
You can have concussive symptomsby eating foods that are just
that bad for you or inflame you.
Ivelisse Page (24:50):
Wow.
Chris Hodel (24:51):
And that's this kind of vagus nerve connection
going on.
So it's important to laser thebelly.
It's important to laser thehead, the brain that is.
So concussions are needing to besupported more than they have in
the past.
Ivelisse Page (25:03):
And can someone activate that vagus nerve, like
with your health tip that youshared at the beginning?
If they have a concussion, sothey stay in a dark room?
Chris Hodel (25:11):
Hundred percent.
Again, when I get some training,I'll be like, oh, that's why
they say dark room or, I knowit's light sensitivity stuff.
And it's called the oculomotornerve constriction dilates the
pupil.
And when we hit our head, someof these wiring doesn't work.
And that's actually some of myconcussive tests that I do on
people.
I've heard from some otherexperts that say, you do not
want to limit activity and youdon't want to go jump on a
(25:34):
trampoline, but it's do an armbike or something like that,
drive pathways.
I'm not giving advice yetbecause like I said, I want to
do training, but it sounds likeyou being in a dark room might
not be the end all be all tosupport getting that concussion
better.
Ivelisse Page (25:50):
Yeah.
And so I know that my friends inMaryland and people are
listening from all over thecountry and they can't come to
you in Fort Collinsunfortunately.
Chris Hodel (25:58):
So fly here.
Come see your buddy Ivelisse andfly here.
Ivelisse Page (26:02):
Absolutely.
Everyone's welcome! Yeah.
But how do people find apractitioner?
How do they know that they'reusing the right lasers and that
they're doing the rightprocesses?
What would be your best adviceto find a person trained as you
are?
Chris Hodel (26:16):
My best advice would be, I gave the company
earlier Erchonia, so E R C H O NI A erchonica.com, and it says
find a physician or find adoctor or find a provider.
It says something like that, butthen you type in your zip code.
And, more and more lasers arepopping up all around you guys
that are not in Fort Collins,Colorado.
(26:38):
Then you go in, you have aconsultation and be like, I'm
excited about lasers.
Okay.
How do you use lasers?
Cause I, I am pretty progressivewith how I've learned how to use
my lasers in 15 years and what Icare about.
And there's other people thatare just a little bit more point
and shoot.
But the cool thing is thestudies are showing that point
and shoot can be awfullyeffective.
(26:59):
It's just as much as you can bean integrated practitioner, you
are going to increase yourclinical outcomes significantly.
If you can have hands on, tohave some inner game
conversations about what's goingon in their head and their life.
You're just gonna support themin more than just, did my laser
help you?
Ivelisse Page (27:17):
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much, Chris,for taking the time out of your
busy day to be on the podcastand share with us about how
lasers are so healing and aboutwhat you do, and we just really
appreciate you.
Chris Hodel (27:29):
I think the world of you Ivelisse, and thank you
Believe Big, and, I'm excited tokeep listening to your guys'
podcasts and keep bringing,practitioners on here so we can
all learn and get better.
Ivelisse Page (27:45):
If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to
help support our podcast, pleasesubscribe and share it with
others.
Be sure to visit believebig.orgto access the show notes and
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Thanks again and keep BelievingBig!
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