December 17, 2024 • 33 mins
In this episode, join us for a thought-provoking conversation with Dr. Tom Cowan, a renowned alternative medicine doctor, author, and speaker.
Dr. Cowan challenges conventional wisdom about health and disease, offering a different perspective on cancer, diagnosis myths, and holistic healing. With an open curiosity, he shares unique insights on how our bodies respond to illness and the importance of understanding the underlying story rather than just focusing on symptoms.
Tune in to explore Dr. Cowan's groundbreaking ideas and discover the need to "QUESTION EVERYTHING".
To learn more about Dr. Tom Cowan, visit his website at
http://drtomcowan.com
Suggested Resources:
- BOOK: The Contagion Myth by Dr. Tom Cowan
- BOOK: Cancer and the New Biology of Water by Dr. Tom Cowan
- BOOK: Human Heart, Cosmic Heart by Dr. Tom Cowan
- BOOK: Radical Hope by Dr. Kelly Turner
- Dr. Cowan's Garden
- The New Biology Clinic
- The New Biology Curriculum
- PubMed
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Ivelisse Page (00:06):
Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page, and thanks for listening
to the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take a deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders, and cancer thrivers
from around the globe.
(00:34):
Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page, andit's an honor to be with you
today.
Today's guest is Dr.
Tom Cowan.
Dr.
Cowan is a well knownalternative medicine doctor,
author, and speaker with acommon sense holistic approach
to health and wellness.
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He has given countless lecturesand workshops throughout the
United States on a variety ofsubjects in health and medicine
and is the author of six books.
Recent publications include TheContagion Myth, Cancer and the
New Biology of Water, and theHuman Heart Cosmic Heart.
Until his recent retirement fromactive practice, Dr.
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Cowan had a general medicalpractice for 17 years in San
Francisco, preceded by 17 yearsin Petersborough, New Hampshire,
and several years in upstate NewYork.
He was a founding board memberof the Weston A.
Price Foundation and currentlyserves as its vice president.
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Dr.
Cowan continues to activelylecture and interview, sharing
information via his website,drtomcowan.com, where he also
offers many of the products hehas used personally and in his
practice.
Additionally, Dr.
Cowan offers high quality,beyond organic vegetable
powders, pantry and pastureproducts on his
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drcowansgarden.com website,health and wellness support
services atthenewbiologyclinic.com, and
educational opportunities forpractitioners and others at
thenewbiologycurriculum.com.
Dr.
Cowan lives with his wife,Linda, on a rural farmland in
upstate New York.
He has three children, onestepson, and seven thriving
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grandchildren.
Welcome to the show, Dr.
Cowan.
Dr. Tom Cowan (02:26):
Thanks, and you please call me Tom.
Ivelisse Page (02:28):
Okay, will do.
Thank you.
we always begin the podcast witha question that our listeners
love to find out about.
So what is your favorite healthtip?
Dr. Tom Cowan (02:40):
So I'm going to start with something that my
guess is you haven't heardbefore, which is in my travels
through exploring what is realand what isn't in medicine, I've
discovered that what we calldiagnoses are not actually real
biological entities, so myhealth tip for people is don't
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bother with your diagnosisbecause it's not real, what you
have is a story and you shouldpay a lot more attention to the
story than any diagnosis thatanybody gives you.
Ivelisse Page (03:17):
That's really good advice, we can step into
that a little further becauseyou have a cardinal rule that
says question everything.
For a patient with a cancerdiagnosis, where does one start?
There are so many questions.
So what is most important?
Let's divide into three parts atthe start of a diagnosis in the
middle of the journey andsomeone who has clear scans, so
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what's most important,questions?
Dr. Tom Cowan (03:44):
To me the most important question is I actually
think that the conventional andmost of the alternative holistic
view of cancer has it completelywrong.
And therefore, what, and this isof huge importance to people in
navigating what they're going todo about it.
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And I can flesh that out if youwant.
Ivelisse Page (04:09):
Briefly, if you can briefly, because I'm sure
people are listening on theother end going, what?
Dr. Tom Cowan (04:14):
You know, scientific discord is the
investigation of claims, right?
Somebody makes a claim that thevirus exists and it causes
disease and then youinvestigate, found there's no
such thing as viruses and theycan't cause disease.
With cancer, they say that we'remade of cells, which is itself a
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assumption, and that the cellshave a mutation in the genetics
of the cell, which causes thecell to grow, and then the cell
grows and spreads to otherplaces.
That's called a metastasis.
And then when that proceeds on,then you can die from widespread
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metastasis of your cancer.
And when I tried to investigatethat claim, I, first of all,
wondered why it is that if thesecells are spreading through the
bloodstream, why we can neverfind them in the blood.
A person supposedly has a tumorin their breast and then it
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somehow swims or crawls throughthe bloodstream and goes to
their liver.
And if you ask your oncologist,can you show me the cancer cells
in your blood, they say no.
And then usually you don't askthem, why not?
If you just told me it's in theblood, why don't you show it to
me in the blood?
Well, there's not enough of itto find in the blood.
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Which is odd because that's howit supposedly gets there.
And then I asked myself thequestion, they say these cells
are all messed up and thechromosomes are all abnormal and
they got weird chromosomes andit's misshapen and dysfunctional
and morphologically weird.
And then I thought to myself,okay, and it grows better and
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faster than a normal cell.
Right?
That's what we're told.
Ivelisse Page (06:08):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (06:09):
So imagine you had a car and you take it to the
yard, junkyard, and they hit itwith a big wrecking ball and the
steering wheel's in the backseat and the brakes are blown
apart and the engine is allsmashed up and the guy says,
yeah, you should buy this car.
It runs faster and better than anormal car.
I think you would say, I don'tthink so.
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And so how is it that thisdysfunctional cell is actually
dividing and growing faster thana normal cell?
So I don't think that's true.
Ivelisse Page (06:42):
So what is your thought on how cancer grows and
spreads?
Dr. Tom Cowan (06:47):
Okay.
Think about this.
Let me ask you questions.
if you have a house, right?
Ivelisse Page (06:52):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (06:53):
Somebody puts a bunch of garbage in your, the
foyer of your house.
Stinky garbage.
What would you do at that point?
Ivelisse Page (07:01):
Clean it up.
Dr. Tom Cowan (07:02):
By putting it in bags, right?
Ivelisse Page (07:05):
Yes.
And then taking
Dr. Tom Cowan (07:06):
it out to the, to the garage and then the curb.
Ivelisse Page (07:09):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (07:10):
So that's what your body does.
You put some stinky garbage init.
It could be toxic thoughts, poorbeliefs, toxins, bad food,
environmental poisons.
Your body puts it into a bag.
That's called a tumor.
That tumor is a adaptivetherapeutic response.
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Now that's, if there's anythingI want people to remember from
this interview, the cancer isnot a disease.
That's why I started with that.
It's your body's bagging upgarbage.
And then as long as you'retaking it out to the curb,
you're fine.
But if somebody, what happens ifsomebody puts twice as much,
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three times as much garbage inyour house?
You start putting it in thespare bedroom, and then in the
living room, and then in thedownstairs, and then in the
kitchen, and then in thebedroom, and then you have to
move because your house is fullof garbage.
Now, that garbage did not walkfrom your spare bedroom to the
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living room, any more than thetumor cells, cancer cells, walk
from your breast or your colonto your liver.
That is a myth.
It's just the accumulation ofgarbage.
and your body saying, I got todeal with this garbage, so I'm
going to put it in the nextavailable space, hoping that
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someday, this person is going totake out the garbage.
Ivelisse Page (08:43):
So, what is the best way for us to, in quotes,
take out that garbage, so thatcancer does not show up in that
way, and, and take over ourhomes?
Dr. Tom Cowan (08:54):
Yeah, that's a great question, and the first
thing I would say is, You haveto see it like that.
Once you see it like that, youwill then understand every
single so called natural healthtreatment for cancer.
They all work with don't put somuch garbage in and take it out
faster than you used to.
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So we have the Gerson diet.
We have hyperthermia.
We have mistletoe.
We have fasting.
We have eating certain diets.
We have ECAC T.
We have saunas, we have sweatlodges, we have changing your
thoughts, right?
They all work.
All that is not so much garbage.
And by the way, do some enemasor turpentine cleansing or
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whatever to take more garbageout more quickly.
That's how it works.
No exceptions.
The only people who don't do itlike that is conventional
oncologists and they put moregarbage in.
Ivelisse Page (09:54):
Interesting.
Dr. Tom Cowan (09:55):
And that's why it doesn't work because so they
have a faulty conception fromthe get go of what this process
is all about.
Ivelisse Page (10:05):
Yes, I agree in the sense of they are trying to
treat the symptoms, you know,and what is there instead of
getting to the root of it andlike you're saying, removing the
garbage and allowing it not tohave a hospitable environment
for it to return.
So...
Dr. Tom Cowan (10:23):
Even Ivelisse, it's not even the symptoms.
It's deeper than that.
They're getting rid of yourbody's therapeutic attempt.
This is your, in your body andit's, I would say infinite
wisdom.
Just like you get a splinter inyour finger and you make pus to
get the splinter out.
The pus is the therapy for thesplinter.
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It's not an infection.
And if you breathe in debris,you get so called bronchitis.
That's not a disease.
That's your body's way ofgetting out inhaled debris.
And if you don't see it likethat, you're gonna stop the so
called bronchitis.
You're going to attack thetumor, and it's not just a
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hospitable environment, that isyour body's healing attempt.
Ivelisse Page (11:13):
Interesting.
Dr. Tom Cowan (11:14):
Everything is.
Every symptom is.
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Ivelisse Page (11:56):
Yeah, so, what has been your experience with
cancer patients and alternativetherapies?
Because you've done this forwell, over almost 20 years, you
know, you were in medicinehelping patients.
And so what are you, what are,has been your experience with
patients and alternativetherapies like mistletoe, like
high dose IV vitamin C, and thethings that you mentioned
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earlier?
And those who have done itsolely or those who have done it
in combination, like what hasbeen your experience?
Dr. Tom Cowan (12:27):
It all depends on the consciousness of the
patient, so called patient.
I don't even like the wordpatient anymore.
We have one person talking toanother person.
I can tell you that in ourclinic, we just had three people
with stage four cancer, socalled spread to, widespread,
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who now are so called clean ofcancer.
Ivelisse Page (12:52):
Amazing.
Dr. Tom Cowan (12:53):
And what the difference is, the conception of
the person.
If you think, I have thisdiagnosis, I'm doomed, this is,
I'm a, like a friend of minesays, there's only one disease
and that's victim consciousness.
I didn't do anything.
It's my genes are bad.
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By the way, you can do aexperiment with cancer cells and
normal cells.
And you can take the nucleus ofa cancer cell and put it into
healthy cytoplasm, the nucleuswhere the genes are, and the
progeny will be normal.
And you put the cancer nucleusin a healthy cytoplasm, so that,
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so the genes are abnormal,they're supposedly in the
nucleus, and the progeny will benormal.
So we, we know that thelocation, so called, of cancer.
of the cancer problem is not inthe nucleus, so it can't have
anything to do with genes orgenetic.
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You're not a victim of anygenetic anything.
Ivelisse Page (13:59):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (14:00):
This is, and the difference is the people who see
it like this and thereforeessentially change their mind
and can say, Yes, I have had alife where and I need to
investigate what in my life,which is different for
everybody, has created thistoxic environment.
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And then if I clean that up, A,tell the people to stop dumping
garbage in your house, and cleanit up.
It works.
Ivelisse Page (14:31):
It really does.
And I think our minds and ouremotional health, our mental and
emotional health play such ahuge role in cancer and past
traumas and events that haveoccurred in our lives.
And it's really important to getthat garbage out, and I am a
testament.
I believe that was a huge partof my healing of stage four
colon cancer way back when, 15years ago, and then most
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recently in the fall withendometrial cancer, where my
emotional health, my emotionaltank was on empty, and it
affected, everything.
I think that's what people don'trealize is that physiologically,
when you're stressed, whenyou're emotionally affected by
things that have occurred inyour life, and you haven't
really addressed it, your body'sresponse is increasing that
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cortisol, and your insulin, andinflammation, and so that's why
it's so important that we arealso really careful about
regulating our nervous system,and really feeding our mind
things that are true, that arenoble, that are trustworthy, so
that we are infused with thatand can be able to move forward
with peace instead of fear.
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So...
Dr. Tom Cowan (15:39):
Right.
Probably the number one toxin weall face is fear.
Ivelisse Page (15:44):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (15:45):
And believe me that conventional doctors and
conventional society understandsthat very well.
Anybody who doesn't realize thathasn't paid attention to what
happened with COVID.
Ivelisse Page (15:58):
Well, and yes, a hundred percent.
And then there's also so manystudies that have been done on
how fear keeps the body in fightor flight mode and not rest and
repair.
So there are many studies that,that people can look up even on
PubMed or that Dr.
Kelly Turner has researched andput in her Radical Hope book and
others.
So there is science behind whatwe are discussing today.
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And so what would...
Dr. Tom Cowan (16:23):
And it all comes from this misconception of what
does so called disease is.
They say, they tell us it'ssomething that happens to you.
When in reality, it's a way yourbody expresses itself to create
a better situation.
Always.
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you breathe in debris and youcough it up.
The coughing is not the disease.
The mucus is not the disease.
The fever is not the disease.
It's the poison getting in.
That's the problem.
And the poison is a lot of it,as you say, emotional and your
worldview, the way you see theworld.
Ivelisse Page (17:05):
Yes.
Yeah.
And, and it's great news forthose of us who have kids who
supposedly, I have the geneticLynch syndrome and there's no
fear for my kids becauseactually 5 percent of cancers
even in the conventional worldhave stated are genetically
linked.
And so that's such a smallpercentage.
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You say zero.
Okay, I'll go with you on zero.
Dr. Tom Cowan (17:29):
I know it's zero because here, the, the linchpin
of the genetic theory, right?
The absolute dogma of thegenetic theory is you got these
genes, they're located on theDNA, they're in the nucleus, and
each gene codes for a protein.
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Right?
That's it.
And if you got a wonky gene, youget a wonky protein, and then
you get cancer.
So then they do the Human GenomeProject, find out there's 200,
000 proteins in the human body,and 20, 000 genes.
Which means, 90 percent of themdon't have any genetic code at
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all.
Which means that geneticistsapparently don't know how to do
arithmetic.
Because there's no way thatthose proteins are coded for by
genes.
So the whole thing, and I couldgive you many reasons why, that
whole dogmatic way of looking atit is just make believe.
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There are no genetic diseases.
The genes are, first of all, wecan't even define what a gene
is.
This is a whole other topic, butanyways, that's just victim
consciousness.
Ivelisse Page (18:45):
So what would be your biggest piece of advice for
someone with cancer?
And then someone who isconsidered healthy or disease
free, so both sides of thespectrum.
Dr. Tom Cowan (18:55):
So yeah, first of all, as far as the person who's
healthy, and I wrote about thisin my book, there is no
evidence, zero evidence, thatscreening or, in other words,
going looking for cancerproduces better outcomes.
Zero.
I personally, haven't had ablood test or any kind of
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screening test for anythingsince 1984.
Ivelisse Page (19:23):
Wow.
Dr. Tom Cowan (19:23):
That's because I was going to residency then and
they made me do a physical examand a blood test.
And I used to say, my motherused to say, Oh, you should get
regular exams.
And I said, I do.
1984, and I have an appointmentin 2034.
And then in 2084, so that'sregular, every 50 years I'll get
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an exam.
And the reason for that is therehas never been shown any
positive outcomes from that.
And the consciousness behindthat is somehow they're going to
tell me about how my health ismore than I can figure out for
myself.
Once you change that thinkingand you, you start tuning in to
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how am I doing and if I eatthis, how do I do and if I
exercise or if I fight with mykids or my wife or whatever or I
spank the dog, which I don't do.
How am I doing?
And so then you continually selfmodulate based on your ownership
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of your life.
And I would really encouragepeople who are, quote, well, to
think along those lines, andwhere, what are you exposed to,
what's happening in your life?
Now in a way if you've made thequote mistake and been diagnosed
with cancer sometimes it'sbecause you have symptoms,
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right?
So you go in and then you saywhat are this and they find out
you have cancer.
The next thing is you have toYou've been hexed.
You've been told you have asituation which is
misinterpreted.
Like I said, a lot of this isyou're actually in the healing
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phase.
Your body is packing up thisgarbage so that it can deal with
it.
And if you just let it alone,and we know this now from
studies with early detection ofbreast cancer, some like 40
percent of them will go away bythemselves.
So, you've been hexed intothinking you're now in a life
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threatening situation, and allthe emotional stuff that comes
with that.
You've got to somehow unpackthat, but it's difficult because
it's hard to not know somethingyou know.
Ivelisse Page (21:46):
Well, you know, I think I, and here's my thought
here is you're a physician.
You've had all these years oftraining and understanding.
Was.
Of, of how the body functions,treating so many individuals, so
you have that knowledge, right?
For us as individuals,sometimes, and this is me
personally, this last go around,it was very interesting for me
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to test and then assess if whatI was doing was really working
in the way that I thought it wasworking.
So for example, with my diet,and was what I was eating and
doing was told would be best forme, was it really reflecting in
the way my body was absorbing itand processing it?
And interestingly enough, mynumbers went down based on what
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I changed and it made me feelgood.
So it empowered me to say, okay,I am along the right track.
I may assume that this diet isthe best for me, but until I
tested it with my blood work, Iwasn't a hundred percent sure.
And so having that really gaveme confidence and strength to
move forward saying, all right,I am on the right path for me
personally.
Dr. Tom Cowan (22:54):
So here's a question for you because it's an
interesting point you bring up.
Let's say that you had decidedyou wanted to know where you're
at.
And so you decided without anytests I'm gonna change what I'm
doing.
Change what I eat, change what Ithink, change what my exercise,
change my so called detox,whatever it is, you're gonna
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change and then you felt better.
That's what you said, right?
Now imagine then the blood testsaid no, you're worse.
What would you think then?
Ivelisse Page (23:27):
I would say I need to change something.
If I was told, so let's say I,I, and here's an example for
you.
I was told to be on a ketogenicdiet, helps me with heating and
healing and all of that, whichit has, does, and it has been
proven to.
But for me, interestinglyenough, it was causing, it
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wasn't making me feel good.
I wasn't able to eat some of thewhole foods that I enjoyed.
And so I changed it to amodified, 70 grams of carbs
instead of the 30 or whatever.
And I felt so much better.
And then I was like, am I reallyhelping my sugar levels and my
insulin levels the way that Ithink even modifying?
And so by, by getting thatreport back, I was, and all my
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numbers went down.
And so I knew that okay, I amdoing something that's right for
my body.
Dr. Tom Cowan (24:17):
I get your point.
It's an interesting point.
I came to the conclusion that inthat situation, if I got to a
discrepancy between that youactually had the experience of
this isn't working, I'm going tochange it in this way, which
makes sense to me.
And then you felt better.
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I wouldn't care at all what yournumber showed, because I would
say if you continue on thatpath, you'll be able to
continually refine that, and I'mnot going to not do something
that a person clearly knows ismaking them feel better.
Ivelisse Page (24:56):
Right.
Dr. Tom Cowan (24:57):
That's the bottom line for me, which is why I
mostly stopped doing tests.
Because if I was going tobelieve the patient anyways,
right?
Patients said, no, I didn't feelgood eating 20 grams of carbs.
I would say, fine, let's see,try to eat 70 and tell me what
happened.
I feel much better.
I'm good.
Ivelisse Page (25:17):
Interesting.
And what about someone who's ina disease state, you know, like
being able to know that, hey,what I am doing is working when
my CEA numbers are going down ormy CA 125 and those cancer
markers that are like a point.
Dr. Tom Cowan (25:33):
The first assumption there is a, you're in
a disease state, which isalready putting you into a
situation that's actually notreally true.
What you're in is a situationwhere your body has to make some
things happen and it's actuallytrying to help you out.
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So that's already a differentconception of where you are than
a disease state, right?
So that's the first thing.
The second thing is it isabsolutely well known that CEAs
and PSAs and CA125s are not areliable track of the actual
state of the cancer or theprognosis.
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Because we don't know whetherthat means that there's more of
this being made, this proteinbeing made, or that the tumor
mass is breaking down andtherefore liberating it into the
blood.
And so you could have asituation where you're taking
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out your garbage, your tumormass is breaking down, you get
more CA 125 in your blood.
You interpret that as thissituation, which is clearly
making you feel better and dobetter.
And your skin is better and yourbowels are better.
And your emotional situation isbetter.
And that piece of misinformationmakes you think you're doing
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worse.
That is a real problem.
That, to me, is outsourcing youragency to a test that turns out
not to have been validated orreliable in this situation.
And that's the problem.
Ivelisse Page (27:22):
So, let's move to the explosion of cancer
diagnosis, right?
We only have a few minutes left,but I really wanted to ask you
this question.
In the last 50 years especially,what do you see as some of the
main factors contributing tothis increase, especially in
younger people?
Dr. Tom Cowan (27:39):
Well, in the last four years, it's probably almost
all because of the so calledCOVID vaccine, which is a, a
serious poison.
I mean, some of them areplacebos, right?
Because they wanted to shieldthe toxicity.
So we know that some people gotjust nothing, so they could make
the numbers of the side effectslook better.
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So they basically use veryserious toxic stuff, which we
don't even exactly know what'sin there.
But then instead of a little bitof garbage, you came with a big
dump truck and you dumped awhole lot of garbage.
And then the people have to putit in bags and we call that
cancer.
This is not rocket science.
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So, why have we had more cancerin the last 50 years?
Because a, because people arelooking for it.
Which is another trick withmedicine.
That which you look for, you'llget an increase in diagnoses.
And they do that in very sneakyways, They tell the doctors that
you only look for measles inunvaccinated children.
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And then lo and behold, theysay, you only have measles in
unvaccinated.
Great! That's because you onlydo the, you only look and do the
test in unvaccinated.
And somehow that we all, wedon't all, but a lot of us fell
for that.
So...
Ivelisse Page (29:04):
Yeah, it's really, it's really important
for us to look at what, howexactly things are tested.
What is the full information,not just the headlines or what
is, what is being given to us.
And, really important foreveryone to be their own
advocate, ask your ownquestions, really be curious to
question things because you areyour best advocate.
(29:26):
And Tom, in the last minute orso, I really wanted to also make
sure that you spoke about Dr.
Cowan's Garden, and the productsthat you use and how they're
different from other ones thatare out there.
Can you briefly share with thoselistening about that?
Dr. Tom Cowan (29:41):
All our products and whether they're the Dr.
Tom Cowan or Dr.
Cowan's Garden, we look forquality, because there's a whole
lot of reasons for that.
And the same with the curriculumand the clinic.
This is a whole different way oflooking at the world, which is a
quality based rather thanmeasuring zinc levels and iron
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levels and this and that.
And for people who don't knowwhat I mean, I would ask
quantity is how much stuff is inthere.
And I often ask people, raiseyour hand if you chose your
spouse based on the number ofhydrogen or sulfur atoms they
have in their body.
Which, of course, you don't evenknow.
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The reality is we chooseeverything in our lives based on
quality, right?
Now, here's the thing.
Science doesn't recognizequality as an aspect of the
world we live in, or medicine,or biology.
There's no science of quality.
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Yet, the reason you buy thiscar, or this table, and not that
one, is cause the quality seemsbetter, not the substance, the
quality.
Now the substance has somethingto do with it, right?
Cause you can't make a healthy,beautiful house out of crummy
bricks.
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But so we're, we are a qualitybased company, everything from
how we do medicine and how weteach.
And the products that we selland how it's, how they were
grown, how they were processed.
It's are we preserving thequality and the integrity of
whatever the olive oil or theghee or the, the ashitaba or
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burdock root or whatever it is.
It's all about quality.
Ivelisse Page (31:35):
Yeah, and to give people an understanding of what
that means is, something can besaid organic.
And then there's regenerative,and then there's things that,
you know, how is the soil?
Yeah, they may not putpesticides on it, but the soil
can be so depleted that thenutrients aren't even there.
The quality of the soil matters,the seed matters, and how
everything from seed to finishis completed matters.
Dr. Tom Cowan (31:57):
And the consciousness of the farmer.
Ivelisse Page (32:00):
Yeah, and the farmer.
Absolutely.
Dr. Tom Cowan (32:02):
And the water.
Ivelisse Page (32:04):
So it really goes full circle.
Absolutely.
If the water is toxic, so willbe what is produced.
So, thank you very much forsharing your insight with us
today, expanding our minds to bemore curious and to really see
things in a different light.
I really appreciate your inputand all that you've shared with
us today.
I know your time is reallyvaluable.
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So thank you so much.
Dr. Tom Cowan (32:27):
Thanks for all you're doing as well.
I know you're waking up a lot ofpeople to take a new look at
this situation because we needto.
Ivelisse Page (32:36):
Yes.
Thank you.
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Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page, and thanks for listening
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from around the globe.
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Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page, andit's an honor to be with you
today.
Today's guest is Dr.
Tom Cowan.
Dr.
Cowan is a well knownalternative medicine doctor,
author, and speaker with acommon sense holistic approach
to health and wellness.
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He has given countless lecturesand workshops throughout the
United States on a variety ofsubjects in health and medicine
and is the author of six books.
Recent publications include TheContagion Myth, Cancer and the
New Biology of Water, and theHuman Heart Cosmic Heart.
Until his recent retirement fromactive practice, Dr.
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Cowan had a general medicalpractice for 17 years in San
Francisco, preceded by 17 yearsin Petersborough, New Hampshire,
and several years in upstate NewYork.
He was a founding board memberof the Weston A.
Price Foundation and currentlyserves as its vice president.
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Dr.
Cowan continues to activelylecture and interview, sharing
information via his website,drtomcowan.com, where he also
offers many of the products hehas used personally and in his
practice.
Additionally, Dr.
Cowan offers high quality,beyond organic vegetable
powders, pantry and pastureproducts on his
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drcowansgarden.com website,health and wellness support
services atthenewbiologyclinic.com, and
educational opportunities forpractitioners and others at
thenewbiologycurriculum.com.
Dr.
Cowan lives with his wife,Linda, on a rural farmland in
upstate New York.
He has three children, onestepson, and seven thriving
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grandchildren.
Welcome to the show, Dr.
Cowan.
Dr. Tom Cowan (02:26):
Thanks, and you please call me Tom.
Ivelisse Page (02:28):
Okay, will do.
Thank you.
we always begin the podcast witha question that our listeners
love to find out about.
So what is your favorite healthtip?
Dr. Tom Cowan (02:40):
So I'm going to start with something that my
guess is you haven't heardbefore, which is in my travels
through exploring what is realand what isn't in medicine, I've
discovered that what we calldiagnoses are not actually real
biological entities, so myhealth tip for people is don't
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bother with your diagnosisbecause it's not real, what you
have is a story and you shouldpay a lot more attention to the
story than any diagnosis thatanybody gives you.
Ivelisse Page (03:17):
That's really good advice, we can step into
that a little further becauseyou have a cardinal rule that
says question everything.
For a patient with a cancerdiagnosis, where does one start?
There are so many questions.
So what is most important?
Let's divide into three parts atthe start of a diagnosis in the
middle of the journey andsomeone who has clear scans, so
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what's most important,questions?
Dr. Tom Cowan (03:44):
To me the most important question is I actually
think that the conventional andmost of the alternative holistic
view of cancer has it completelywrong.
And therefore, what, and this isof huge importance to people in
navigating what they're going todo about it.
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And I can flesh that out if youwant.
Ivelisse Page (04:09):
Briefly, if you can briefly, because I'm sure
people are listening on theother end going, what?
Dr. Tom Cowan (04:14):
You know, scientific discord is the
investigation of claims, right?
Somebody makes a claim that thevirus exists and it causes
disease and then youinvestigate, found there's no
such thing as viruses and theycan't cause disease.
With cancer, they say that we'remade of cells, which is itself a
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assumption, and that the cellshave a mutation in the genetics
of the cell, which causes thecell to grow, and then the cell
grows and spreads to otherplaces.
That's called a metastasis.
And then when that proceeds on,then you can die from widespread
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metastasis of your cancer.
And when I tried to investigatethat claim, I, first of all,
wondered why it is that if thesecells are spreading through the
bloodstream, why we can neverfind them in the blood.
A person supposedly has a tumorin their breast and then it
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somehow swims or crawls throughthe bloodstream and goes to
their liver.
And if you ask your oncologist,can you show me the cancer cells
in your blood, they say no.
And then usually you don't askthem, why not?
If you just told me it's in theblood, why don't you show it to
me in the blood?
Well, there's not enough of itto find in the blood.
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Which is odd because that's howit supposedly gets there.
And then I asked myself thequestion, they say these cells
are all messed up and thechromosomes are all abnormal and
they got weird chromosomes andit's misshapen and dysfunctional
and morphologically weird.
And then I thought to myself,okay, and it grows better and
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faster than a normal cell.
Right?
That's what we're told.
Ivelisse Page (06:08):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (06:09):
So imagine you had a car and you take it to the
yard, junkyard, and they hit itwith a big wrecking ball and the
steering wheel's in the backseat and the brakes are blown
apart and the engine is allsmashed up and the guy says,
yeah, you should buy this car.
It runs faster and better than anormal car.
I think you would say, I don'tthink so.
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And so how is it that thisdysfunctional cell is actually
dividing and growing faster thana normal cell?
So I don't think that's true.
Ivelisse Page (06:42):
So what is your thought on how cancer grows and
spreads?
Dr. Tom Cowan (06:47):
Okay.
Think about this.
Let me ask you questions.
if you have a house, right?
Ivelisse Page (06:52):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (06:53):
Somebody puts a bunch of garbage in your, the
foyer of your house.
Stinky garbage.
What would you do at that point?
Ivelisse Page (07:01):
Clean it up.
Dr. Tom Cowan (07:02):
By putting it in bags, right?
Ivelisse Page (07:05):
Yes.
And then taking
Dr. Tom Cowan (07:06):
it out to the, to the garage and then the curb.
Ivelisse Page (07:09):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (07:10):
So that's what your body does.
You put some stinky garbage init.
It could be toxic thoughts, poorbeliefs, toxins, bad food,
environmental poisons.
Your body puts it into a bag.
That's called a tumor.
That tumor is a adaptivetherapeutic response.
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Now that's, if there's anythingI want people to remember from
this interview, the cancer isnot a disease.
That's why I started with that.
It's your body's bagging upgarbage.
And then as long as you'retaking it out to the curb,
you're fine.
But if somebody, what happens ifsomebody puts twice as much,
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three times as much garbage inyour house?
You start putting it in thespare bedroom, and then in the
living room, and then in thedownstairs, and then in the
kitchen, and then in thebedroom, and then you have to
move because your house is fullof garbage.
Now, that garbage did not walkfrom your spare bedroom to the
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living room, any more than thetumor cells, cancer cells, walk
from your breast or your colonto your liver.
That is a myth.
It's just the accumulation ofgarbage.
and your body saying, I got todeal with this garbage, so I'm
going to put it in the nextavailable space, hoping that
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someday, this person is going totake out the garbage.
Ivelisse Page (08:43):
So, what is the best way for us to, in quotes,
take out that garbage, so thatcancer does not show up in that
way, and, and take over ourhomes?
Dr. Tom Cowan (08:54):
Yeah, that's a great question, and the first
thing I would say is, You haveto see it like that.
Once you see it like that, youwill then understand every
single so called natural healthtreatment for cancer.
They all work with don't put somuch garbage in and take it out
faster than you used to.
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So we have the Gerson diet.
We have hyperthermia.
We have mistletoe.
We have fasting.
We have eating certain diets.
We have ECAC T.
We have saunas, we have sweatlodges, we have changing your
thoughts, right?
They all work.
All that is not so much garbage.
And by the way, do some enemasor turpentine cleansing or
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whatever to take more garbageout more quickly.
That's how it works.
No exceptions.
The only people who don't do itlike that is conventional
oncologists and they put moregarbage in.
Ivelisse Page (09:54):
Interesting.
Dr. Tom Cowan (09:55):
And that's why it doesn't work because so they
have a faulty conception fromthe get go of what this process
is all about.
Ivelisse Page (10:05):
Yes, I agree in the sense of they are trying to
treat the symptoms, you know,and what is there instead of
getting to the root of it andlike you're saying, removing the
garbage and allowing it not tohave a hospitable environment
for it to return.
So...
Dr. Tom Cowan (10:23):
Even Ivelisse, it's not even the symptoms.
It's deeper than that.
They're getting rid of yourbody's therapeutic attempt.
This is your, in your body andit's, I would say infinite
wisdom.
Just like you get a splinter inyour finger and you make pus to
get the splinter out.
The pus is the therapy for thesplinter.
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It's not an infection.
And if you breathe in debris,you get so called bronchitis.
That's not a disease.
That's your body's way ofgetting out inhaled debris.
And if you don't see it likethat, you're gonna stop the so
called bronchitis.
You're going to attack thetumor, and it's not just a
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hospitable environment, that isyour body's healing attempt.
Ivelisse Page (11:13):
Interesting.
Dr. Tom Cowan (11:14):
Everything is.
Every symptom is.
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Ivelisse Page (11:56):
Yeah, so, what has been your experience with
cancer patients and alternativetherapies?
Because you've done this forwell, over almost 20 years, you
know, you were in medicinehelping patients.
And so what are you, what are,has been your experience with
patients and alternativetherapies like mistletoe, like
high dose IV vitamin C, and thethings that you mentioned
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earlier?
And those who have done itsolely or those who have done it
in combination, like what hasbeen your experience?
Dr. Tom Cowan (12:27):
It all depends on the consciousness of the
patient, so called patient.
I don't even like the wordpatient anymore.
We have one person talking toanother person.
I can tell you that in ourclinic, we just had three people
with stage four cancer, socalled spread to, widespread,
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who now are so called clean ofcancer.
Ivelisse Page (12:52):
Amazing.
Dr. Tom Cowan (12:53):
And what the difference is, the conception of
the person.
If you think, I have thisdiagnosis, I'm doomed, this is,
I'm a, like a friend of minesays, there's only one disease
and that's victim consciousness.
I didn't do anything.
It's my genes are bad.
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By the way, you can do aexperiment with cancer cells and
normal cells.
And you can take the nucleus ofa cancer cell and put it into
healthy cytoplasm, the nucleuswhere the genes are, and the
progeny will be normal.
And you put the cancer nucleusin a healthy cytoplasm, so that,
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so the genes are abnormal,they're supposedly in the
nucleus, and the progeny will benormal.
So we, we know that thelocation, so called, of cancer.
of the cancer problem is not inthe nucleus, so it can't have
anything to do with genes orgenetic.
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You're not a victim of anygenetic anything.
Ivelisse Page (13:59):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (14:00):
This is, and the difference is the people who see
it like this and thereforeessentially change their mind
and can say, Yes, I have had alife where and I need to
investigate what in my life,which is different for
everybody, has created thistoxic environment.
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And then if I clean that up, A,tell the people to stop dumping
garbage in your house, and cleanit up.
It works.
Ivelisse Page (14:31):
It really does.
And I think our minds and ouremotional health, our mental and
emotional health play such ahuge role in cancer and past
traumas and events that haveoccurred in our lives.
And it's really important to getthat garbage out, and I am a
testament.
I believe that was a huge partof my healing of stage four
colon cancer way back when, 15years ago, and then most
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recently in the fall withendometrial cancer, where my
emotional health, my emotionaltank was on empty, and it
affected, everything.
I think that's what people don'trealize is that physiologically,
when you're stressed, whenyou're emotionally affected by
things that have occurred inyour life, and you haven't
really addressed it, your body'sresponse is increasing that
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cortisol, and your insulin, andinflammation, and so that's why
it's so important that we arealso really careful about
regulating our nervous system,and really feeding our mind
things that are true, that arenoble, that are trustworthy, so
that we are infused with thatand can be able to move forward
with peace instead of fear.
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So...
Dr. Tom Cowan (15:39):
Right.
Probably the number one toxin weall face is fear.
Ivelisse Page (15:44):
Yes.
Dr. Tom Cowan (15:45):
And believe me that conventional doctors and
conventional society understandsthat very well.
Anybody who doesn't realize thathasn't paid attention to what
happened with COVID.
Ivelisse Page (15:58):
Well, and yes, a hundred percent.
And then there's also so manystudies that have been done on
how fear keeps the body in fightor flight mode and not rest and
repair.
So there are many studies that,that people can look up even on
PubMed or that Dr.
Kelly Turner has researched andput in her Radical Hope book and
others.
So there is science behind whatwe are discussing today.
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And so what would...
Dr. Tom Cowan (16:23):
And it all comes from this misconception of what
does so called disease is.
They say, they tell us it'ssomething that happens to you.
When in reality, it's a way yourbody expresses itself to create
a better situation.
Always.
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you breathe in debris and youcough it up.
The coughing is not the disease.
The mucus is not the disease.
The fever is not the disease.
It's the poison getting in.
That's the problem.
And the poison is a lot of it,as you say, emotional and your
worldview, the way you see theworld.
Ivelisse Page (17:05):
Yes.
Yeah.
And, and it's great news forthose of us who have kids who
supposedly, I have the geneticLynch syndrome and there's no
fear for my kids becauseactually 5 percent of cancers
even in the conventional worldhave stated are genetically
linked.
And so that's such a smallpercentage.
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You say zero.
Okay, I'll go with you on zero.
Dr. Tom Cowan (17:29):
I know it's zero because here, the, the linchpin
of the genetic theory, right?
The absolute dogma of thegenetic theory is you got these
genes, they're located on theDNA, they're in the nucleus, and
each gene codes for a protein.
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Right?
That's it.
And if you got a wonky gene, youget a wonky protein, and then
you get cancer.
So then they do the Human GenomeProject, find out there's 200,
000 proteins in the human body,and 20, 000 genes.
Which means, 90 percent of themdon't have any genetic code at
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all.
Which means that geneticistsapparently don't know how to do
arithmetic.
Because there's no way thatthose proteins are coded for by
genes.
So the whole thing, and I couldgive you many reasons why, that
whole dogmatic way of looking atit is just make believe.
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There are no genetic diseases.
The genes are, first of all, wecan't even define what a gene
is.
This is a whole other topic, butanyways, that's just victim
consciousness.
Ivelisse Page (18:45):
So what would be your biggest piece of advice for
someone with cancer?
And then someone who isconsidered healthy or disease
free, so both sides of thespectrum.
Dr. Tom Cowan (18:55):
So yeah, first of all, as far as the person who's
healthy, and I wrote about thisin my book, there is no
evidence, zero evidence, thatscreening or, in other words,
going looking for cancerproduces better outcomes.
Zero.
I personally, haven't had ablood test or any kind of
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screening test for anythingsince 1984.
Ivelisse Page (19:23):
Wow.
Dr. Tom Cowan (19:23):
That's because I was going to residency then and
they made me do a physical examand a blood test.
And I used to say, my motherused to say, Oh, you should get
regular exams.
And I said, I do.
1984, and I have an appointmentin 2034.
And then in 2084, so that'sregular, every 50 years I'll get
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an exam.
And the reason for that is therehas never been shown any
positive outcomes from that.
And the consciousness behindthat is somehow they're going to
tell me about how my health ismore than I can figure out for
myself.
Once you change that thinkingand you, you start tuning in to
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how am I doing and if I eatthis, how do I do and if I
exercise or if I fight with mykids or my wife or whatever or I
spank the dog, which I don't do.
How am I doing?
And so then you continually selfmodulate based on your ownership
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of your life.
And I would really encouragepeople who are, quote, well, to
think along those lines, andwhere, what are you exposed to,
what's happening in your life?
Now in a way if you've made thequote mistake and been diagnosed
with cancer sometimes it'sbecause you have symptoms,
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right?
So you go in and then you saywhat are this and they find out
you have cancer.
The next thing is you have toYou've been hexed.
You've been told you have asituation which is
misinterpreted.
Like I said, a lot of this isyou're actually in the healing
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phase.
Your body is packing up thisgarbage so that it can deal with
it.
And if you just let it alone,and we know this now from
studies with early detection ofbreast cancer, some like 40
percent of them will go away bythemselves.
So, you've been hexed intothinking you're now in a life
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threatening situation, and allthe emotional stuff that comes
with that.
You've got to somehow unpackthat, but it's difficult because
it's hard to not know somethingyou know.
Ivelisse Page (21:46):
Well, you know, I think I, and here's my thought
here is you're a physician.
You've had all these years oftraining and understanding.
Was.
Of, of how the body functions,treating so many individuals, so
you have that knowledge, right?
For us as individuals,sometimes, and this is me
personally, this last go around,it was very interesting for me
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to test and then assess if whatI was doing was really working
in the way that I thought it wasworking.
So for example, with my diet,and was what I was eating and
doing was told would be best forme, was it really reflecting in
the way my body was absorbing itand processing it?
And interestingly enough, mynumbers went down based on what
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I changed and it made me feelgood.
So it empowered me to say, okay,I am along the right track.
I may assume that this diet isthe best for me, but until I
tested it with my blood work, Iwasn't a hundred percent sure.
And so having that really gaveme confidence and strength to
move forward saying, all right,I am on the right path for me
personally.
Dr. Tom Cowan (22:54):
So here's a question for you because it's an
interesting point you bring up.
Let's say that you had decidedyou wanted to know where you're
at.
And so you decided without anytests I'm gonna change what I'm
doing.
Change what I eat, change what Ithink, change what my exercise,
change my so called detox,whatever it is, you're gonna
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change and then you felt better.
That's what you said, right?
Now imagine then the blood testsaid no, you're worse.
What would you think then?
Ivelisse Page (23:27):
I would say I need to change something.
If I was told, so let's say I,I, and here's an example for
you.
I was told to be on a ketogenicdiet, helps me with heating and
healing and all of that, whichit has, does, and it has been
proven to.
But for me, interestinglyenough, it was causing, it
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wasn't making me feel good.
I wasn't able to eat some of thewhole foods that I enjoyed.
And so I changed it to amodified, 70 grams of carbs
instead of the 30 or whatever.
And I felt so much better.
And then I was like, am I reallyhelping my sugar levels and my
insulin levels the way that Ithink even modifying?
And so by, by getting thatreport back, I was, and all my
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numbers went down.
And so I knew that okay, I amdoing something that's right for
my body.
Dr. Tom Cowan (24:17):
I get your point.
It's an interesting point.
I came to the conclusion that inthat situation, if I got to a
discrepancy between that youactually had the experience of
this isn't working, I'm going tochange it in this way, which
makes sense to me.
And then you felt better.
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I wouldn't care at all what yournumber showed, because I would
say if you continue on thatpath, you'll be able to
continually refine that, and I'mnot going to not do something
that a person clearly knows ismaking them feel better.
Ivelisse Page (24:56):
Right.
Dr. Tom Cowan (24:57):
That's the bottom line for me, which is why I
mostly stopped doing tests.
Because if I was going tobelieve the patient anyways,
right?
Patients said, no, I didn't feelgood eating 20 grams of carbs.
I would say, fine, let's see,try to eat 70 and tell me what
happened.
I feel much better.
I'm good.
Ivelisse Page (25:17):
Interesting.
And what about someone who's ina disease state, you know, like
being able to know that, hey,what I am doing is working when
my CEA numbers are going down ormy CA 125 and those cancer
markers that are like a point.
Dr. Tom Cowan (25:33):
The first assumption there is a, you're in
a disease state, which isalready putting you into a
situation that's actually notreally true.
What you're in is a situationwhere your body has to make some
things happen and it's actuallytrying to help you out.
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So that's already a differentconception of where you are than
a disease state, right?
So that's the first thing.
The second thing is it isabsolutely well known that CEAs
and PSAs and CA125s are not areliable track of the actual
state of the cancer or theprognosis.
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Because we don't know whetherthat means that there's more of
this being made, this proteinbeing made, or that the tumor
mass is breaking down andtherefore liberating it into the
blood.
And so you could have asituation where you're taking
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out your garbage, your tumormass is breaking down, you get
more CA 125 in your blood.
You interpret that as thissituation, which is clearly
making you feel better and dobetter.
And your skin is better and yourbowels are better.
And your emotional situation isbetter.
And that piece of misinformationmakes you think you're doing
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worse.
That is a real problem.
That, to me, is outsourcing youragency to a test that turns out
not to have been validated orreliable in this situation.
And that's the problem.
Ivelisse Page (27:22):
So, let's move to the explosion of cancer
diagnosis, right?
We only have a few minutes left,but I really wanted to ask you
this question.
In the last 50 years especially,what do you see as some of the
main factors contributing tothis increase, especially in
younger people?
Dr. Tom Cowan (27:39):
Well, in the last four years, it's probably almost
all because of the so calledCOVID vaccine, which is a, a
serious poison.
I mean, some of them areplacebos, right?
Because they wanted to shieldthe toxicity.
So we know that some people gotjust nothing, so they could make
the numbers of the side effectslook better.
(28:01):
So they basically use veryserious toxic stuff, which we
don't even exactly know what'sin there.
But then instead of a little bitof garbage, you came with a big
dump truck and you dumped awhole lot of garbage.
And then the people have to putit in bags and we call that
cancer.
This is not rocket science.
(28:22):
So, why have we had more cancerin the last 50 years?
Because a, because people arelooking for it.
Which is another trick withmedicine.
That which you look for, you'llget an increase in diagnoses.
And they do that in very sneakyways, They tell the doctors that
you only look for measles inunvaccinated children.
(28:47):
And then lo and behold, theysay, you only have measles in
unvaccinated.
Great! That's because you onlydo the, you only look and do the
test in unvaccinated.
And somehow that we all, wedon't all, but a lot of us fell
for that.
So...
Ivelisse Page (29:04):
Yeah, it's really, it's really important
for us to look at what, howexactly things are tested.
What is the full information,not just the headlines or what
is, what is being given to us.
And, really important foreveryone to be their own
advocate, ask your ownquestions, really be curious to
question things because you areyour best advocate.
(29:26):
And Tom, in the last minute orso, I really wanted to also make
sure that you spoke about Dr.
Cowan's Garden, and the productsthat you use and how they're
different from other ones thatare out there.
Can you briefly share with thoselistening about that?
Dr. Tom Cowan (29:41):
All our products and whether they're the Dr.
Tom Cowan or Dr.
Cowan's Garden, we look forquality, because there's a whole
lot of reasons for that.
And the same with the curriculumand the clinic.
This is a whole different way oflooking at the world, which is a
quality based rather thanmeasuring zinc levels and iron
(30:04):
levels and this and that.
And for people who don't knowwhat I mean, I would ask
quantity is how much stuff is inthere.
And I often ask people, raiseyour hand if you chose your
spouse based on the number ofhydrogen or sulfur atoms they
have in their body.
Which, of course, you don't evenknow.
(30:26):
The reality is we chooseeverything in our lives based on
quality, right?
Now, here's the thing.
Science doesn't recognizequality as an aspect of the
world we live in, or medicine,or biology.
There's no science of quality.
(30:47):
Yet, the reason you buy thiscar, or this table, and not that
one, is cause the quality seemsbetter, not the substance, the
quality.
Now the substance has somethingto do with it, right?
Cause you can't make a healthy,beautiful house out of crummy
bricks.
(31:07):
But so we're, we are a qualitybased company, everything from
how we do medicine and how weteach.
And the products that we selland how it's, how they were
grown, how they were processed.
It's are we preserving thequality and the integrity of
whatever the olive oil or theghee or the, the ashitaba or
(31:30):
burdock root or whatever it is.
It's all about quality.
Ivelisse Page (31:35):
Yeah, and to give people an understanding of what
that means is, something can besaid organic.
And then there's regenerative,and then there's things that,
you know, how is the soil?
Yeah, they may not putpesticides on it, but the soil
can be so depleted that thenutrients aren't even there.
The quality of the soil matters,the seed matters, and how
everything from seed to finishis completed matters.
Dr. Tom Cowan (31:57):
And the consciousness of the farmer.
Ivelisse Page (32:00):
Yeah, and the farmer.
Absolutely.
Dr. Tom Cowan (32:02):
And the water.
Ivelisse Page (32:04):
So it really goes full circle.
Absolutely.
If the water is toxic, so willbe what is produced.
So, thank you very much forsharing your insight with us
today, expanding our minds to bemore curious and to really see
things in a different light.
I really appreciate your inputand all that you've shared with
us today.
I know your time is reallyvaluable.
(32:25):
So thank you so much.
Dr. Tom Cowan (32:27):
Thanks for all you're doing as well.
I know you're waking up a lot ofpeople to take a new look at
this situation because we needto.
Ivelisse Page (32:36):
Yes.
Thank you.
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