January 14, 2025 • 36 mins
Are you concerned about the impact of EMF exposure in your daily life and potentially on your health?
Nick Pineault, "The EMF Guy," recently joined the Believe Big podcast to talk about how electromagnetic fields (EMFs) impact our daily lives. He explains how EMFs from everyday devices like Wi-Fi routers, cell phones, and even household appliances may influence our health and why it's important to reduce some of our exposure.
Nick also shares practical, easy-to-implement strategies that can make your home and work environments safer.
Tune in to learn how small changes can make a big difference for your health and well-being. Don’t miss this eye-opening discussion with one of the leading voices on EMF safety!
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Ivelisse Page (00:06):
Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page, and thanks for listening
to the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take a deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders, and cancer thrivers
from around the globe.
(00:35):
Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page and I'mgrateful to be with you today.
It is my absolute pleasure towelcome to the Believe Big
podcast, Nick Pineault, the EMFguy.
Nick is the number onebestselling author of The
Non-Tinfoil Guide to EMFs and anadvocate for safe technologies.
(00:59):
Through his unconventionalapproach, blending humor,
science, and common sense, he'sbecoming a leading voice on the
topic of electromagneticpollution and how it affects our
health.
For the last few years, Nick hasbeen interviewing some of the
best minds on health andtechnology and facilitating the
creation of courses andeducational materials to raise
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awareness on this very importantissue.
You can find out more aboutNick, the EMF Guy, on his
website, theemfguy.com.
Welcome to the show, Nick.
Nick Pineault (01:33):
Hey, thanks for having me.
It's a pleasure.
Ivelisse Page (01:36):
Well, we always like to start our podcast with
our guest's favorite health tip,and I'm sure you have many, but
can you share one with us?
Nick Pineault (01:43):
Sure, the first thing I would say is turn off
your technology before going tosleep.
And that's not just because thecell phone is a source of
distraction.
Of course, if you get anotification in the middle of
the night, the buzzes, therings, and even if you put it on
silent mode, a lot of people aredistracted by the fact that
there are notifications waitingfor you.
(02:04):
That's a bit distraction initself, but also the radiation
emitted by your phone, eventhough it is at a relatively low
level, right?
It doesn't, you know, cook anegg or anything like that.
That's an internet myth.
Actually, there are greatreasons to think that radio
frequency radiation emitted byyour phone or it could be a
Bluetooth device or it couldeven be your Wi Fi router that
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it disrupts sleep.
And there's actually a goodstudy, I was just looking,
looking it up while you were um,in introducting me right then
and there.
It's a four week randomized,double blind, crossover trial of
12 healthy adults.
And they said, yes, we, we dothink that the radiation emitted
by phones or Bluetooth or Wi Fi,may impact sleep in some people.
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And some people are moreimpacted than their spouse,
which makes it you know, very,very frustrating because of
course you might be impacted byyour phone and maybe your spouse
isn't and they sleep just fine.
So there is a variability andhow much we're impacted, but,
it's not like we need morefactors interrupting our sleep
these days, right?
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And most people don't sleepenough or have good sleep
quality.
So, my advice is just everythingoff before bed, and if you
cannot turn it off, put yourphone in the next room, as far
away from your pillow aspossible.
Ivelisse Page (03:24):
That's great advice.
I keep mine in the kitchen, butmy husband does keep his in our
room, but he puts it on airplanemode.
What do you feel about airplanemode and having it in your room?
Nick Pineault (03:35):
Oh, airplane mode is good.
Yes, I think it's great.
You know, like you said, thealarm clock function function is
just fine on the airplane mode.
I use my alarm on my phone.
The problem I have with it issome people will charge their
phone right next to their pillowor underneath the pillow, and
that's another source ofelectricity, which is a
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different type of EMF radiationyou might be getting.
It's not ideal.
So arms length from the pillowwould be preferable if you
charge it, so keeping it at adistance.
And also it's becomingincreasingly complicated, this
airplane mode question withphones, because the
manufacturers are not actuallyinterested in having you use
your phone less.
To the contrary, themanufacturers want you to be
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addicted and glued to thesedevices.
So unfortunately it comes withmore and more radiation
exposure.
So if you're trying to minimizeradiation exposure, you're kind
of fighting against the entiresociety at the moment and how
big tech is evolving.
And if you choose to do that,you just have to make sure that
on airplane mode, you also haveWi Fi and Bluetooth turned off.
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And it means that on your phone,you're going to see a bunch of
icons.
The Wi Fi and Bluetooth have tobe crossed off, which means
they're off.
You can be on airplane mode andthen on Wi Fi at the same time,
which is another source of radiofrequency radiation.
So in fact, your phone can emitfour distinct types of radio
frequency radiation.
Now, obviously these smartphonesare, I don't know if they're
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smart.
One thing is sure, it's asupercomputer, right?
In a tiny format.
So that's why it's becoming morecomplicated for me to say, oh,
just hit airplane mode.
I have to explain it all andgive context.
And if people get confused, Itell them, as far away as
possible from your pillow andthat works.
Even if it's open, the radiationreaching you will have dropped
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off by 99.
99999%, which is not nothing,however, it's way better and
preferable than just having itright next to your head.
Ivelisse Page (05:33):
Yeah, we had Dr.
Devra Davis from theEnvironmental Health Trust on
our show probably a year ago,and her big quote was, distance
is your friend.
For sure.
I just remember that.
So by you saying that, it'strue.
Distance is our friend.
And I know there are manylisteners that may not be
familiar with electromagneticfields like we are, EMFs.
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Can you just start by justbriefly explaining what EMFs are
and where we commonly encounterthem in our daily lives?
Nick Pineault (06:02):
In the scope of my work, I'm talking about EMFs,
really the human made EMFs.
There's a vast differencebetween the electromagnetic
spectrum in nature that we havealways been exposed to.
For example, the visible lightspectrum, even that could come
with a set of problems becauseif we use human made light, we
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might cause an environment tobecome poorly conclusive with
good sleep.
For example, if you use verybright lights at night, like I'm
doing now for this interview forexample, you know, blast
yourself in the eyes, and thenyou look at your devices and
laptop and phone before bed, weknow that this human made type
of light will impact yourbiology.
It will prevent your body fromgoing into sleep mode, and some
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people actually can have sleepproblems with it, or just have a
poor quality of sleep as aresult.
There's also types of human madefields or types of radiation
emitting devices that emitfields that are invisible, such
as your phone, such as Wi Fi,Bluetooth, and also household
electricity.
And it's not because we've beenusing them for decades that
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they're necessarily safe.
And that's always the part thatis very debatable in science is
what is safe?
What is unsafe?
Well, consider the fact that oursafety standards and the way
your phone is tested is shortterm and we never use a phone
short term.
We use them now our entirelifespan, right?
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And consider that the only thingthey are looking at is heating
effect.
So it means that if you areoverheating your brain or
overheating certain parts ofyour body, for example, in the
case of a man overheating, uh,you know, your genitalia will
cause a loss in fertility.
And that's known as just achange of temperature.
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So these are concerns.
However, there are otherconcerns that happen even
without heating, includingoxidative stress or reduction of
your ability to repair.
And, another one is a shift inyour brain waves, for example,
which is probably whyradiofrequency radiation will
interfere with your sleep.
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It's not that it's instantlykilling you or damaging you in a
way that could be compared toother toxins where you become
very sick within a few minutes,but it's over time.
Imagine if every night you havea phone near your head and every
night your brain waves aren'tquite where they should be to
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have deep sleep.
Well, over the course of a year,you might not notice it, but you
would say, Well, I don't know,my sleep quality isn't that
great.
You have many factors that couldimpact your sleep quality.
Just everyday life stressors,light, it could be what you eat
or don't eat or supplements ormineral status.
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A bunch of different things willimpact your sleep quality, of
course.
But if you forget about thephone, then you are missing an
important factor.
And a factor that can be easilyavoided also.
And that's, that's kind of thepoint in this entire discussion,
is that if there are no benefitsto an exposure, it should be
removed.
For example, my phone, I don'tuse it when it's in my pocket.
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There's no reason I should keepit in my pocket because it would
be emitting radiation very closeto my body.
During sleep is another example.
Or, are there alternatives wherewe could do without the
radiation?
For example, wired alternativesto wireless.
So in all these situations, inmany situations, people use the
wireless technology in a waythat is basically as high as
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reasonably achievable.
What we want to achieve is aslow as reasonably achievable.
So if we consider cell phoneradiation and all these EMFs as
a sort of stressor, or you mightcall it toxin.
Some people think it's tooextreme, but, if it's a
stressor, then why not minimizeit to the minimum amount
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possible?
Because we have way enoughstressors already from all sorts
of things that happen in ourlife, including many, many
environmental toxicants likePFAs and BPA and pesticides and
all those that are more in thenews.
EMFs is rarely in the news and Ithink it should be more widely
discussed.
Ivelisse Page (10:21):
Yeah, I completely agree.
You know, since our audience isparticularly interested in
cancer prevention and healing,can you shed light on any links
between EMF exposure and thedevelopment or recurrence of
cancer?
Nick Pineault (10:35):
Yes, it's still debated.
There was a review at WHO, theWorld Health Organization,
lately around cancer.
The researchers said, Oh, wedon't believe it's an issue.
There are other researchers thatsay the exact opposite.
And that's very concerning.
The independent researchersgenerally talk about cancer
risks.
And the more science has beendeveloping in the last several
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years, especially since 2018, amajor study came out showing
clear evidence that it might bea carcinogen in rats and mice,
which is the gold standard totest toxicity of something that
was from the National ToxicologyProgram.
Since then, those samescientists that looked at these
results say, it's veryconcerning.
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We think it should be classifiedas a Class 1 carcinogen.
Some scientists are saying that.
A Class 1 carcinogen, what doesit mean?
Well, it's a classification byIARC, which is a branch of the
WHO, International Agency forResearch on Cancer.
And the, there are not manyagents in this list of Class 1.
Class 1 means, a definitecarcinogen like tobacco smoke or
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asbestos.
So it is serious.
Other scientists would saythere's no problem.
I don't know who to believe, butI tend to trust the scientists
that are completely independentfrom industries that have a
bias, of course.
So it's still debated.
However, there's also a debatein philosophy in what should we
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do if there's a disagreement onthe scientific standpoint.
Many activists, doctors that aremore on the holistic side of
things, a lot of everyday peoplethat are just, I think, attuned
to the idea of preventativemedicine say, well, if there's a
chance that it causes cancer andothers say, no, there's no
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chance it kind of creates adoubt.
So if there is a doubt we shouldfollow something called the
Precautionary Principle, whichstates in case of scientific
uncertainty or doubt, if thereis even a slight chance that we
might get it wrong, why not takepreventative measures to lower
the exposure and that was apoint that has been made by
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independent scientists fordecades at this point.
So, it's really something theindustry does not like because
of course, users will be lesslikely to use their phone for
extended periods of time if theyknow that the phone is
associated with, for example, anincrease in brain tumors, an
increase in breast tumors, anincrease in thyroid tumors, and
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many other tumors of the headregion.
Some surgeons I talked to orheard about are convinced that
many of their clients, um,parodied gland tumors, which is
the salivary glands or acousticneuromas, which are non
carcinogenic.
However, they can lead tocomplications, including being
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deaf or even dying from it.
And, also, the glioblastomasthat are, of course, the most
dangerous type of brain tumoryou can ever develop.
There are many surgeons anddoctors that are convinced that
we're seeing an increase of theamount of people that come in
their clinic with these tumors.
Is it true?
Is it not true?
Well, why not stop having aphone next to your face for
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extended periods of time, andthen in 20 years, I'll be able
to tell you whether it was trueor not, but in the meantime, we
can really get it wrong, andthis is really the problem that
has been identified by so manypeople in the environmental
movement right now,environmental toxicity movement,
I would call it becauseenvironmentalists that are
focused on nature tend to get itwrong at the moment, but people
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that are looking to removetoxins on our food, for example,
I think they're getting it veryright, where they say, if we
introduce a new chemical in theenvironment or on our food, Why
shouldn't we wait a few yearsuntil it makes it to mass market
and force manufacturers to testit thoroughly?
That's not how it's done, atleast not in the US.
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The EU is a little bit betterabout that, but with the FDA and
the Food and DrugAdministration, it's pretty much
we roll out the food additive,and then if it's proven
dangerous we will ban it and,but it will take decades.
So every time it looks like whenwe change the environment and
add new human made things, wehave the opportunity to make
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things worse.
And we don't need to make thingsworse in the moment when it
comes to cancer.
And at the same time, I don'twant to be alarmist, but it's
clear that the cancers areincreasing in our youth in, and
when I say our youth, I mean, Icould be part of that.
I'm 37 below 40 years old, andin the 20 years old and even
teenagers at the moment, it'sexploding, especially cancers of
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the groin area.
So it's testicular cancer, coloncancer, ovarian cancer, bladder
cancer.
And then you ask yourself, isthere a link with cell phones in
the pocket?
Maybe, maybe not.
but it's certainly not helping.
And when you look atradiofrequency radiation as an
agent, it's clear that it mightdisrupt cellular healing,
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apoptosis.
So there are many ways that itcould be a co carcinogen or
simply a carcinogen.
Ivelisse Page (15:51):
Yeah.
And our integrated pediatriconcologists agree with you in
that.
In the last decade, the increasein pediatric cancer has been 40
by 40%.
They state that the top threereasons are the glyphosate
chemicals that are been pouredout into our foods that our kids
are eating, EMFs and radiationexposure through technologies.
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And then the third thing is theadjuvants that are in vaccines.
And so there's so many thingsthat are increasing these rates
and if we can do one aspect ofit and removing as much, you
know, we live in this technologyworld, but we can live in it
safely or safer in order that itprotects our body in a more
efficient way.
Some people, like you weresaying earlier, report health
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issues related to EMF exposure,such as headaches and fatigue.
I am one of them.
I am one that is super sensitiveto it, but what are the most
common symptoms of EMFsensitivity and how serious have
you found this to be with yourwork and conditions?
Nick Pineault (16:51):
The real number of people who suffer from these
EMF related symptoms is reallyunknown.
There are indications in theform of surveys, people that
self claim that they aresensitive to this radiation.
It will vary from 3 percent toup to more than 10 percent in
certain countries.
So, which is very surprising tome because I would have thought,
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you know, ah, maybe this issomething for just 0.
1 percent or maybe 1 percent ofall people, but, 10 percent
would be massive.
Certain scientists say that atthis point, they estimate that a
third of all adults, forexample, might suffer from mild
to moderate symptoms associatedwith electrosensitivity.
So, for example, it could impactyour energy levels, which is
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hard to detect because you couldbe just fatigued for other life
reasons.
However, if you find yourself infront of a computer with no Wi
Fi, for example, I use mycomputer on an Ethernet cable.
So that's the Internet goingthrough a cable instead of
through the air true Wi Fi, andif you find yourself being way
more energetic and less drainedat the end of the day, that's an
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indication.
I think that generally speaking,many people find out that they
were more impacted than theythought when they eliminate the
offending agent.
That's often the case with dietchanges also where you say, Oh,
well, you know, I feel prettynormal.
You clean up your diet and stopeating as much, for example,
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restaurant food, junk food, andall of a sudden you say, I used
to feel like crap, I just didn'tknow.
So it means that our perceptionof our normalcy will vary in
time, of course, but when itcomes to the symptoms, some
others are more telling thatpeople have, you know, an acute
effect.
A headache when talking on thephone or being near a source of
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EMFs is very telling.
Other people have heartpalpitations.
Other people might havetinnitus, for example, ringing
in the ear.
And in fact, certain people haveconstant ringing in the ear when
they are in a certainenvironment, and that's not
initially something very newbecause it was known in the
military research on radaroperators that certain radar
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operators started complaining,saying, guys, I'm hearing this
clicking sound, and they said,well, that's impossible because
no one can hear this invisibleradiation.
They studied it in the 1970s, itturns out, yes, some people can
hear this type of radiation,even though it's, the reasons
are, they identified somepossible reasons.
I don't know if they'veidentified exactly the
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mechanisms.
The reality is some people can,and some others cannot, but
imagine if you could hear allthe Wi Fi I mean, it's something
that could make you literally gocrazy in a city, because of
course, here in Montreal, if Ilooked at the list of Wi Fis, I
would find, yeah, I don't know,maybe over three to four hundred
just in my neighborhood ofpeople that have Wi Fi, of
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course, one Wi Fi per home, perapartment.
It's not like most people shareit.
It's no, it's, it's mine andit's password protected.
Don't you dare steal mybandwidth, you know?
So the reality is that for thesepeople, the tragedy is that
living in an urban environmentvery close to neighbors and to
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all these exposures is becomingincreasingly difficult and the
medical profession is really,really behind on understanding
these issues.
There are some practitionersthat are starting to pick up and
see these patients and realizethat sometimes by improving your
health status, you can lowerthis impact.
But it just seems that for a lotof people, myself included, I
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was slightly sensitive.
And when my health status was ina poor place, I just felt like
in front of a computer, I wouldget this massive brain fog on Wi
Fi.
And I would say that right now,if I'm near Wi Fi, I don't feel
it as much, and sometimes Idon't feel anything, which is
good, but it does not mean it'ssafer for me, right?
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It's not because you do not feelglyphosate when you eat your
food, that you shouldn't avoidit.
So, avoidance is for everyone.
Even, I would say, moreimportant if you feel it's
impacting you with symptoms, ofcourse, because it's not going
to go away, quite unfortunately.
Ivelisse Page (21:09):
Yes, I completely agree.
You know, my friends say that Icould be an EMF detector because
I notice immediately thedifference in levels of EMFs.
One example that many peoplearen't aware of is even electric
vehicles.
You know, I've gotten into aTesla or an electric vehicle,
and within a 10 minute drive, Ihave a migraine headache, my
stomach is nauseous, and even myhusband who's not EMF sensitive,
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he starts getting dizziness andhis blood pressure he can feel
going up.
So what are ways that people whodo have electric vehicles, how
can they protect their bodies?
Nick Pineault (21:42):
It's tough, you know, electric vehicles, uh,
it's kind of a gamble when youpurchase a vehicle these days
because there are many differenttypes of makes and models.
Some gas powered vehicles havebeen found to be just as bad on
the EMF standpoint compared tothe hybrid or electric vehicles.
So that's something that I wantto clear first.
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The reality is that all vehiclesare moving in the direction
where we use more radar systems.
More batteries in the case ofhybrid and electric vehicles and
more electronic gizmos.
So we're literally entering acage in metal where all these
EMFs are concentrated inside.
And then people use their phoneinside, sometimes two phones.
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Sometimes you see Uber driverswith like three phones.
I don't know why they havemultiple, but you know, it's
again, as high as possible.
It just looks like, okay, well,anything goes because everything
is safe.
That's not the case.
So with electric vehicles, thething I would say is that if the
design of the car is in a waywhere the batteries are
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underneath the driver's seat,which is one of the designs
that, um, I cannot, you know,tell you to make and models just
verify where the batteries are,they should be in front or in
the back, not right next to yourbody.
People don't feel well andyou're just exposed to high
levels of magnetic fieldsbecause, of course, a strong
battery will have a fieldassociated with it.
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So if you use your car like me,which is I don't own a car, then
you're fine.
I rent vehicles, for example.
So for me, it wouldn't be apriority in my life to mitigate
EMFs from a car that much exceptif I feel very, very unwell in
my car, but, if you own a carand you have daily commute up
to, you know, two, three hours,or even worse, like my dad,
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you're a realtor and you spendyour life in your car, you know,
going to clients visits.
And he, I think he still eatsburgers in his car, even though
I tried to have him clean up hisdiet, he's gotten better, but he
spends his life in his car.
The reality is that he's on theroad a lot, then it becomes a
priority for you.
If you use your car from time totime, start worrying about your
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bedroom and your office first,right?
So the priorities really go byhow many hours are you spending
in certain environments and youtry to clean those.
It's difficult though, becauseI'll give you that.
Most new cars will have allsorts of features that sometimes
can be turned off like the Wi Fihot spot or the Bluetooth
options?
Sometimes not.
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So if I had to purchase a newcar, which I, I might do in the
future, but you know, I'm inMontreal, I use a lot of, uh,
subway and sometimes the bus.
But if I had to purchase a car,I would go to the manufacturer
and I would look at what are theoptions that could be exposing
me to EMF?
So it could be the Bluetooth inthe car dashboard and you play
around.
Sometimes it can be turned off,which is great news.
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And I would buy a car normallywithout any cellular hotspot.
It's not like we need one morehotspot in front of you while
you drive.
You already have your phonethere.
So just using your phone in away that is safer, you could,
for example pre download a lotof music, uh, Spotify is great
for that.
You can have offline optionswhen you have pre downloaded
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your favorite tracks.
Uh, you could pre downloadpodcasts, for example.
And then you can make it so thatyou stay on airplane mode for
most of the trip.
So that's, there are many waysto lower the exposures that you
do have control over.
Ivelisse Page (25:12):
Yes.
That's excellent.
And you can order from themanufacturer, which is kind of
what I did.
And I declined on the backupcameras and, and things like
that.
My husband and my, my kids, allof them are Jeep Wrangler fans.
And so they're basic models thatdon't have all these lot of
technologies with Wi Fis, whichis really helpful as well too.
But, let's in the last fewmoments that we have, I'd like
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for us to go back to two thingsthat you said.
Can you share practical tips,the first with how to make your
work environment, your officemore EMF friendly or safer?
And then the second would be,what are some practical ways
that we can make our bedrooms,safer and better?
Nick Pineault (25:53):
Sure.
Yeah, great idea.
So the office, it's really thehighest source of EMFs is from
your computer, right?
If you are an office worker likeme, I'm an author, I spend I
must say, I don't wanna say thereal number.
I mean over 40 hours in front ofthis computer.
It's a large fraction of mylife, even though I try to take
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breaks and this and that.
Overall, if you start a timereach time I'm, I'm in front of
my computer, you realize thatthis is one of the important
environments.
So that's why people inergonomics would tell you, well,
your chair better be asergonomic as possible because
your, your body will become achair.
Well, the same thing for yourcomputer.
What your computer emits, whichis Wi Fi right in front of you
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might impact you in a profoundway because we're talking about
many, many hours of exposure.
So that's why I invite everyoneto consider having an Ethernet
cable that runs from your routerto a computer.
So if you don't know where yourrouter is, which is where most
people are at, start lookinginto it.
Okay, where did they put therouter?
Is it in my bedroom?
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Hopefully not but some peoplethis is the case I even you know
had a couple tell me we realizedafter reading your book and
everything that the Wi Fi wasunderneath our bed.
So it's really a poor placementand of course you want to turn
it off.
But, all that to say that forme, it's very far away.
So we had to run a cable It'snot the prettiest thing.
We tacked it to the side of thewall, but now we own this place.
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We might consider running it inthe walls, which is another
possibility.
And you hire an IT company.
They come over.
It costs a few hundred dollars,and then you have an Ethernet
cable running to your computer.
What is stellar about this goodold, almost, you know, old
technology of the cable is thatit is stable.
And, there's no way I would havethe ability to stream with this
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type of camera, which is veryhigh quality if I had Wi Fi
here.
So when I came into thisapartment seven years ago, the
Wi Fi was so poor that I wasgetting frustrated.
Right?
Oh, darn Wi Fi.
It's always dropping.
My quality is poor.
I don't look professional andall this.
So I started doing EMFinterviews.
I was getting very frustrated.
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And at the time, I was juststarting to get into EMF
mitigation myself because I wasjust learning about the topic.
So when I had the cable pluggedin, I realized it's fast and it
never drops.
So there's an advantage to beingcabled, especially when you're
in a place where it'sstationary, doesn't move.
So you don't need Wi Fi.
And then if you need Wi Fi fromtime to time, you can just keep
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Wi Fi turned off if you neverneed it, and when you need it,
you turn it on.
Right?
That's something that can bedone.
A lot of people think Wi Fineeds to be connected 24/7.
It's not the case.
You can just open it when youneed to and in the meantime, you
can just use a good old cable.
That would be the number onething I would say for the
office.
And then, of course, a lot ofpeople, especially men, have
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this phone in their pocket allthe time, all day, every day.
That's a big mistake.
The radiofrequency radiation hasbeen, obviously, I told about
the fertility risks, but there'salso testosterone production.
So I know a lot of men in their50s tell me, oh, fertility
risks, I don't mind, you know, Idon't want more children, I
already have teenagers, or Idon't want any children.
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Well, you do want yourtestosterone, do you?
And now they freak out.
They say, oh my for sure.
Especially as you're aging,you're trying to maintain
testosterone, libido, musclestrength, bone strength, and
your mind will get impacted ifyou're a low testosterone,
you're low drive in life so itcan impact you.
And there are many things goingagainst us, against, uh, us men
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for testosterone and againstwomen for just their hormonal
balance that it it's much moredifficult to keep these days
because of all the hormonaldisruptor.
Your phone is an endocrinedisruptor, guys.
It's the same endocrinedisruption that can be said from
BPA and other plastics can beapplied or is caused by your
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phone.
It's just that we don't see itthis way.
We don't imagine that aninvisible signal versus an
invisible molecule could havethis impact, and yet it does.
So your phone not in yourpocket, put it in front of you.
Arm's length is okay, and if youexpect a call, that's fine.
You don't have to stay onairplane mode.
Personally, I stay on airplanemode and then.
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On my computer, there's, I havea VOIP phone, so what it means
is that it's an internet phone.
You just register for a certainphone number, and people call me
on the computer, so that'stremendous.
I can talk on a computer and ofcourse it doesn't emit any
radiation because it's onethernet.
So that's just another thing toconsider.
Now with the cellular network isalmost obsolete at this point.
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All, most calls are done via theinternet.
You can also just use certainsoftwares to do most of your
calls and that way you're justin a better place.
You're not running around with aphone and busy and hanging the
phone like this and, you know,uh, being all stressed in your
neck.
So stop doing that.
Instead, take all your calls infront of a computer and you can
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be reached at any time duringyour office hours, for example.
In the bedroom, I would say turnoff the phones or airplane mode,
or if they are open, put them asfar away from your pillow as
possible.
If possible, charge them in thenext room.
If you charge them very close tothe pillow, I would use the
arm's length rule, and turn offthe Wi Fi also.
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So even if you still use Wi Fifor different things, make sure
that Wi Fi router is turned offat night.
There's no reason to use Wi Fiwhen you are sleeping, of
course.
So some people prefer puttingtheir Wi Fi on a Christmas light
timer.
These outlet timers that can beautomated.
It's very practical.
You set it, you forget it.
And for some parents, it's agreat way to stop the internet
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at a certain time for theteenagers or even younger
children, you know, that mightsneak in some Wi Fi in the
middle of the night or somethinglike that.
And when you look at surveys,it's actually a large percentage
of even children that are Ithink in primary school or, you
know, a little bit older thatare sneaking notifications in
the middle of the night becausethey're keeping up with friends
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and everything is exciting.
So it's also making us and ourkids neurotic.
So that's also a way to helpthem navigate technology that
has been built as addictive.
Everything is stacked against usthese days.
It's just, it's just the way itis.
But something we talked about alot during my summit interviews,
I told you about, that's goingto come up next year.
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But it's really up to us asparents to set the boundaries
for these technologies.
And it's kind of a, I don't knowif it's a sad role to play, but
it's a, it's tedious, just likewith food, but we have to do it.
This is just the reality.
And we see the kids where theparents are taking great care in
limiting technology, using it ina healthier way, in an educative
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manner.
The kids are just better, andthe kids that are glued on the
phone all the time at dinner.
And it's too late sometimes.
And it really impacts their, theway that they interact with the
world.
So I think that many parentslistening to this are already up
to this.
But that's what I would sayabout technology.
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If you have other things thatmight emit EMFs in your bedroom,
apply the same rules and try toturn it off.
But, that's mainly what I wouldsay.
And of course, I'm not a fan of,you know, standing in the, in
your bed.
And the last thing you seebefore hitting the sack is your
phone and notifications andthings like that.
So I prefer reading a book, butyou do you, but in the end it's
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a great habit to, to set whereyou try to limit technology 30
minutes before bed as well.
Ivelisse Page (33:33):
I love those.
Those are fantastic tips.
And yeah, we did that in ourhouse too.
We turned off the Wi Fi, onceour kids got to high school, we
actually made it 1 a.
m.
because sometimes they're uplate working with papers.
And it was, it was earlierbefore then we would all park
our phones in the kitchen.
Like they weren't thrilled withthat, but we always just parked
them in there.
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And we just knew that it wasbetter for everyone.
And I know our time is out, butI would love for you to send us
those links for some of yourfavorite things that you've used
to mitigate EMFs within the homeand in the office and we'll put
links to those.
I know two of my favorites thatI use, and again, because I'm so
sensitive, I notice that theyare working.
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Whether the science andtechnology research has backed
it or not, but things like theSoma Vedic I have at my home,
and it neutralizes the space.
It doesn't block it like a safesleeve would with your phone.
It just neutralizes ourenvironment.
I noticed a huge relief in myenergy when I use that.
And then the other thing that Iuse that I travel with is the
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Aries Tech.
I wear it and where I wasgetting tons of headaches and
from being in the Wi Fi in theairplanes and, you know,
blocking it as much as possiblewith my Lamb's Clothing that I
would wear, I was still gettingaffected by it and that has also
helped and we'll make sure toput links to those things as
well.
But, Nick, thank you so much forwhat you do for educating all of
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us on this really important partof our health that sometimes
does not get the, you know, isnot in the news or is not at the
forefront of what people arereally looking at, but really
need to.
And so we're so grateful for allthat you do to educate through
your summits and everything elsethat you do.
And we'll make sure also put alink to your website.
Nick Pineault (35:20):
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
And I have to mention the workof so many scientists that come
before me.
I'm just reporting on theirwork.
The only way we're going to getanswers that are final and
safety in the way we usetechnology is through their
work.
So I try to interview them,feature their work, and to me, I
really stand on the shoulder ofgiants and I'm trying just to
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make it a little bit simpler forpeople to understand.
A little bit more down to earth.
Sometimes it gets complicated,but just do your best, you know,
try, try to have EMFs, okay,well, this is one of the long
laundry list of things that Ishould minimize and then do your
best, get better over time.
That's just like with food andother things like your laundry
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detergent, and all these littlethings you have to think about
these days.
Ivelisse Page (36:07):
Well, thank you so much.
I completely agree.
And, uh, until next time, thankyou.
Nick Pineault (36:12):
Thank you.
Ivelisse Page (36:19):
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Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page and I'mgrateful to be with you today.
It is my absolute pleasure towelcome to the Believe Big
podcast, Nick Pineault, the EMFguy.
Nick is the number onebestselling author of The
Non-Tinfoil Guide to EMFs and anadvocate for safe technologies.
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Through his unconventionalapproach, blending humor,
science, and common sense, he'sbecoming a leading voice on the
topic of electromagneticpollution and how it affects our
health.
For the last few years, Nick hasbeen interviewing some of the
best minds on health andtechnology and facilitating the
creation of courses andeducational materials to raise
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awareness on this very importantissue.
You can find out more aboutNick, the EMF Guy, on his
website, theemfguy.com.
Welcome to the show, Nick.
Nick Pineault (01:33):
Hey, thanks for having me.
It's a pleasure.
Ivelisse Page (01:36):
Well, we always like to start our podcast with
our guest's favorite health tip,and I'm sure you have many, but
can you share one with us?
Nick Pineault (01:43):
Sure, the first thing I would say is turn off
your technology before going tosleep.
And that's not just because thecell phone is a source of
distraction.
Of course, if you get anotification in the middle of
the night, the buzzes, therings, and even if you put it on
silent mode, a lot of people aredistracted by the fact that
there are notifications waitingfor you.
(02:04):
That's a bit distraction initself, but also the radiation
emitted by your phone, eventhough it is at a relatively low
level, right?
It doesn't, you know, cook anegg or anything like that.
That's an internet myth.
Actually, there are greatreasons to think that radio
frequency radiation emitted byyour phone or it could be a
Bluetooth device or it couldeven be your Wi Fi router that
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it disrupts sleep.
And there's actually a goodstudy, I was just looking,
looking it up while you were um,in introducting me right then
and there.
It's a four week randomized,double blind, crossover trial of
12 healthy adults.
And they said, yes, we, we dothink that the radiation emitted
by phones or Bluetooth or Wi Fi,may impact sleep in some people.
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And some people are moreimpacted than their spouse,
which makes it you know, very,very frustrating because of
course you might be impacted byyour phone and maybe your spouse
isn't and they sleep just fine.
So there is a variability andhow much we're impacted, but,
it's not like we need morefactors interrupting our sleep
these days, right?
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And most people don't sleepenough or have good sleep
quality.
So, my advice is just everythingoff before bed, and if you
cannot turn it off, put yourphone in the next room, as far
away from your pillow aspossible.
Ivelisse Page (03:24):
That's great advice.
I keep mine in the kitchen, butmy husband does keep his in our
room, but he puts it on airplanemode.
What do you feel about airplanemode and having it in your room?
Nick Pineault (03:35):
Oh, airplane mode is good.
Yes, I think it's great.
You know, like you said, thealarm clock function function is
just fine on the airplane mode.
I use my alarm on my phone.
The problem I have with it issome people will charge their
phone right next to their pillowor underneath the pillow, and
that's another source ofelectricity, which is a
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different type of EMF radiationyou might be getting.
It's not ideal.
So arms length from the pillowwould be preferable if you
charge it, so keeping it at adistance.
And also it's becomingincreasingly complicated, this
airplane mode question withphones, because the
manufacturers are not actuallyinterested in having you use
your phone less.
To the contrary, themanufacturers want you to be
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addicted and glued to thesedevices.
So unfortunately it comes withmore and more radiation
exposure.
So if you're trying to minimizeradiation exposure, you're kind
of fighting against the entiresociety at the moment and how
big tech is evolving.
And if you choose to do that,you just have to make sure that
on airplane mode, you also haveWi Fi and Bluetooth turned off.
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And it means that on your phone,you're going to see a bunch of
icons.
The Wi Fi and Bluetooth have tobe crossed off, which means
they're off.
You can be on airplane mode andthen on Wi Fi at the same time,
which is another source of radiofrequency radiation.
So in fact, your phone can emitfour distinct types of radio
frequency radiation.
Now, obviously these smartphonesare, I don't know if they're
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smart.
One thing is sure, it's asupercomputer, right?
In a tiny format.
So that's why it's becoming morecomplicated for me to say, oh,
just hit airplane mode.
I have to explain it all andgive context.
And if people get confused, Itell them, as far away as
possible from your pillow andthat works.
Even if it's open, the radiationreaching you will have dropped
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off by 99.
99999%, which is not nothing,however, it's way better and
preferable than just having itright next to your head.
Ivelisse Page (05:33):
Yeah, we had Dr.
Devra Davis from theEnvironmental Health Trust on
our show probably a year ago,and her big quote was, distance
is your friend.
For sure.
I just remember that.
So by you saying that, it'strue.
Distance is our friend.
And I know there are manylisteners that may not be
familiar with electromagneticfields like we are, EMFs.
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Can you just start by justbriefly explaining what EMFs are
and where we commonly encounterthem in our daily lives?
Nick Pineault (06:02):
In the scope of my work, I'm talking about EMFs,
really the human made EMFs.
There's a vast differencebetween the electromagnetic
spectrum in nature that we havealways been exposed to.
For example, the visible lightspectrum, even that could come
with a set of problems becauseif we use human made light, we
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might cause an environment tobecome poorly conclusive with
good sleep.
For example, if you use verybright lights at night, like I'm
doing now for this interview forexample, you know, blast
yourself in the eyes, and thenyou look at your devices and
laptop and phone before bed, weknow that this human made type
of light will impact yourbiology.
It will prevent your body fromgoing into sleep mode, and some
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people actually can have sleepproblems with it, or just have a
poor quality of sleep as aresult.
There's also types of human madefields or types of radiation
emitting devices that emitfields that are invisible, such
as your phone, such as Wi Fi,Bluetooth, and also household
electricity.
And it's not because we've beenusing them for decades that
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they're necessarily safe.
And that's always the part thatis very debatable in science is
what is safe?
What is unsafe?
Well, consider the fact that oursafety standards and the way
your phone is tested is shortterm and we never use a phone
short term.
We use them now our entirelifespan, right?
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And consider that the only thingthey are looking at is heating
effect.
So it means that if you areoverheating your brain or
overheating certain parts ofyour body, for example, in the
case of a man overheating, uh,you know, your genitalia will
cause a loss in fertility.
And that's known as just achange of temperature.
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So these are concerns.
However, there are otherconcerns that happen even
without heating, includingoxidative stress or reduction of
your ability to repair.
And, another one is a shift inyour brain waves, for example,
which is probably whyradiofrequency radiation will
interfere with your sleep.
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It's not that it's instantlykilling you or damaging you in a
way that could be compared toother toxins where you become
very sick within a few minutes,but it's over time.
Imagine if every night you havea phone near your head and every
night your brain waves aren'tquite where they should be to
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have deep sleep.
Well, over the course of a year,you might not notice it, but you
would say, Well, I don't know,my sleep quality isn't that
great.
You have many factors that couldimpact your sleep quality.
Just everyday life stressors,light, it could be what you eat
or don't eat or supplements ormineral status.
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A bunch of different things willimpact your sleep quality, of
course.
But if you forget about thephone, then you are missing an
important factor.
And a factor that can be easilyavoided also.
And that's, that's kind of thepoint in this entire discussion,
is that if there are no benefitsto an exposure, it should be
removed.
For example, my phone, I don'tuse it when it's in my pocket.
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There's no reason I should keepit in my pocket because it would
be emitting radiation very closeto my body.
During sleep is another example.
Or, are there alternatives wherewe could do without the
radiation?
For example, wired alternativesto wireless.
So in all these situations, inmany situations, people use the
wireless technology in a waythat is basically as high as
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reasonably achievable.
What we want to achieve is aslow as reasonably achievable.
So if we consider cell phoneradiation and all these EMFs as
a sort of stressor, or you mightcall it toxin.
Some people think it's tooextreme, but, if it's a
stressor, then why not minimizeit to the minimum amount
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possible?
Because we have way enoughstressors already from all sorts
of things that happen in ourlife, including many, many
environmental toxicants likePFAs and BPA and pesticides and
all those that are more in thenews.
EMFs is rarely in the news and Ithink it should be more widely
discussed.
Ivelisse Page (10:21):
Yeah, I completely agree.
You know, since our audience isparticularly interested in
cancer prevention and healing,can you shed light on any links
between EMF exposure and thedevelopment or recurrence of
cancer?
Nick Pineault (10:35):
Yes, it's still debated.
There was a review at WHO, theWorld Health Organization,
lately around cancer.
The researchers said, Oh, wedon't believe it's an issue.
There are other researchers thatsay the exact opposite.
And that's very concerning.
The independent researchersgenerally talk about cancer
risks.
And the more science has beendeveloping in the last several
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years, especially since 2018, amajor study came out showing
clear evidence that it might bea carcinogen in rats and mice,
which is the gold standard totest toxicity of something that
was from the National ToxicologyProgram.
Since then, those samescientists that looked at these
results say, it's veryconcerning.
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We think it should be classifiedas a Class 1 carcinogen.
Some scientists are saying that.
A Class 1 carcinogen, what doesit mean?
Well, it's a classification byIARC, which is a branch of the
WHO, International Agency forResearch on Cancer.
And the, there are not manyagents in this list of Class 1.
Class 1 means, a definitecarcinogen like tobacco smoke or
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asbestos.
So it is serious.
Other scientists would saythere's no problem.
I don't know who to believe, butI tend to trust the scientists
that are completely independentfrom industries that have a
bias, of course.
So it's still debated.
However, there's also a debatein philosophy in what should we
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do if there's a disagreement onthe scientific standpoint.
Many activists, doctors that aremore on the holistic side of
things, a lot of everyday peoplethat are just, I think, attuned
to the idea of preventativemedicine say, well, if there's a
chance that it causes cancer andothers say, no, there's no
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chance it kind of creates adoubt.
So if there is a doubt we shouldfollow something called the
Precautionary Principle, whichstates in case of scientific
uncertainty or doubt, if thereis even a slight chance that we
might get it wrong, why not takepreventative measures to lower
the exposure and that was apoint that has been made by
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independent scientists fordecades at this point.
So, it's really something theindustry does not like because
of course, users will be lesslikely to use their phone for
extended periods of time if theyknow that the phone is
associated with, for example, anincrease in brain tumors, an
increase in breast tumors, anincrease in thyroid tumors, and
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many other tumors of the headregion.
Some surgeons I talked to orheard about are convinced that
many of their clients, um,parodied gland tumors, which is
the salivary glands or acousticneuromas, which are non
carcinogenic.
However, they can lead tocomplications, including being
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deaf or even dying from it.
And, also, the glioblastomasthat are, of course, the most
dangerous type of brain tumoryou can ever develop.
There are many surgeons anddoctors that are convinced that
we're seeing an increase of theamount of people that come in
their clinic with these tumors.
Is it true?
Is it not true?
Well, why not stop having aphone next to your face for
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extended periods of time, andthen in 20 years, I'll be able
to tell you whether it was trueor not, but in the meantime, we
can really get it wrong, andthis is really the problem that
has been identified by so manypeople in the environmental
movement right now,environmental toxicity movement,
I would call it becauseenvironmentalists that are
focused on nature tend to get itwrong at the moment, but people
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that are looking to removetoxins on our food, for example,
I think they're getting it veryright, where they say, if we
introduce a new chemical in theenvironment or on our food, Why
shouldn't we wait a few yearsuntil it makes it to mass market
and force manufacturers to testit thoroughly?
That's not how it's done, atleast not in the US.
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The EU is a little bit betterabout that, but with the FDA and
the Food and DrugAdministration, it's pretty much
we roll out the food additive,and then if it's proven
dangerous we will ban it and,but it will take decades.
So every time it looks like whenwe change the environment and
add new human made things, wehave the opportunity to make
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things worse.
And we don't need to make thingsworse in the moment when it
comes to cancer.
And at the same time, I don'twant to be alarmist, but it's
clear that the cancers areincreasing in our youth in, and
when I say our youth, I mean, Icould be part of that.
I'm 37 below 40 years old, andin the 20 years old and even
teenagers at the moment, it'sexploding, especially cancers of
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the groin area.
So it's testicular cancer, coloncancer, ovarian cancer, bladder
cancer.
And then you ask yourself, isthere a link with cell phones in
the pocket?
Maybe, maybe not.
but it's certainly not helping.
And when you look atradiofrequency radiation as an
agent, it's clear that it mightdisrupt cellular healing,
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apoptosis.
So there are many ways that itcould be a co carcinogen or
simply a carcinogen.
Ivelisse Page (15:51):
Yeah.
And our integrated pediatriconcologists agree with you in
that.
In the last decade, the increasein pediatric cancer has been 40
by 40%.
They state that the top threereasons are the glyphosate
chemicals that are been pouredout into our foods that our kids
are eating, EMFs and radiationexposure through technologies.
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And then the third thing is theadjuvants that are in vaccines.
And so there's so many thingsthat are increasing these rates
and if we can do one aspect ofit and removing as much, you
know, we live in this technologyworld, but we can live in it
safely or safer in order that itprotects our body in a more
efficient way.
Some people, like you weresaying earlier, report health
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issues related to EMF exposure,such as headaches and fatigue.
I am one of them.
I am one that is super sensitiveto it, but what are the most
common symptoms of EMFsensitivity and how serious have
you found this to be with yourwork and conditions?
Nick Pineault (16:51):
The real number of people who suffer from these
EMF related symptoms is reallyunknown.
There are indications in theform of surveys, people that
self claim that they aresensitive to this radiation.
It will vary from 3 percent toup to more than 10 percent in
certain countries.
So, which is very surprising tome because I would have thought,
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you know, ah, maybe this issomething for just 0.
1 percent or maybe 1 percent ofall people, but, 10 percent
would be massive.
Certain scientists say that atthis point, they estimate that a
third of all adults, forexample, might suffer from mild
to moderate symptoms associatedwith electrosensitivity.
So, for example, it could impactyour energy levels, which is
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hard to detect because you couldbe just fatigued for other life
reasons.
However, if you find yourself infront of a computer with no Wi
Fi, for example, I use mycomputer on an Ethernet cable.
So that's the Internet goingthrough a cable instead of
through the air true Wi Fi, andif you find yourself being way
more energetic and less drainedat the end of the day, that's an
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indication.
I think that generally speaking,many people find out that they
were more impacted than theythought when they eliminate the
offending agent.
That's often the case with dietchanges also where you say, Oh,
well, you know, I feel prettynormal.
You clean up your diet and stopeating as much, for example,
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restaurant food, junk food, andall of a sudden you say, I used
to feel like crap, I just didn'tknow.
So it means that our perceptionof our normalcy will vary in
time, of course, but when itcomes to the symptoms, some
others are more telling thatpeople have, you know, an acute
effect.
A headache when talking on thephone or being near a source of
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EMFs is very telling.
Other people have heartpalpitations.
Other people might havetinnitus, for example, ringing
in the ear.
And in fact, certain people haveconstant ringing in the ear when
they are in a certainenvironment, and that's not
initially something very newbecause it was known in the
military research on radaroperators that certain radar
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operators started complaining,saying, guys, I'm hearing this
clicking sound, and they said,well, that's impossible because
no one can hear this invisibleradiation.
They studied it in the 1970s, itturns out, yes, some people can
hear this type of radiation,even though it's, the reasons
are, they identified somepossible reasons.
I don't know if they'veidentified exactly the
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mechanisms.
The reality is some people can,and some others cannot, but
imagine if you could hear allthe Wi Fi I mean, it's something
that could make you literally gocrazy in a city, because of
course, here in Montreal, if Ilooked at the list of Wi Fis, I
would find, yeah, I don't know,maybe over three to four hundred
just in my neighborhood ofpeople that have Wi Fi, of
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course, one Wi Fi per home, perapartment.
It's not like most people shareit.
It's no, it's, it's mine andit's password protected.
Don't you dare steal mybandwidth, you know?
So the reality is that for thesepeople, the tragedy is that
living in an urban environmentvery close to neighbors and to
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all these exposures is becomingincreasingly difficult and the
medical profession is really,really behind on understanding
these issues.
There are some practitionersthat are starting to pick up and
see these patients and realizethat sometimes by improving your
health status, you can lowerthis impact.
But it just seems that for a lotof people, myself included, I
(20:28):
was slightly sensitive.
And when my health status was ina poor place, I just felt like
in front of a computer, I wouldget this massive brain fog on Wi
Fi.
And I would say that right now,if I'm near Wi Fi, I don't feel
it as much, and sometimes Idon't feel anything, which is
good, but it does not mean it'ssafer for me, right?
(20:49):
It's not because you do not feelglyphosate when you eat your
food, that you shouldn't avoidit.
So, avoidance is for everyone.
Even, I would say, moreimportant if you feel it's
impacting you with symptoms, ofcourse, because it's not going
to go away, quite unfortunately.
Ivelisse Page (21:09):
Yes, I completely agree.
You know, my friends say that Icould be an EMF detector because
I notice immediately thedifference in levels of EMFs.
One example that many peoplearen't aware of is even electric
vehicles.
You know, I've gotten into aTesla or an electric vehicle,
and within a 10 minute drive, Ihave a migraine headache, my
stomach is nauseous, and even myhusband who's not EMF sensitive,
(21:32):
he starts getting dizziness andhis blood pressure he can feel
going up.
So what are ways that people whodo have electric vehicles, how
can they protect their bodies?
Nick Pineault (21:42):
It's tough, you know, electric vehicles, uh,
it's kind of a gamble when youpurchase a vehicle these days
because there are many differenttypes of makes and models.
Some gas powered vehicles havebeen found to be just as bad on
the EMF standpoint compared tothe hybrid or electric vehicles.
So that's something that I wantto clear first.
(22:03):
The reality is that all vehiclesare moving in the direction
where we use more radar systems.
More batteries in the case ofhybrid and electric vehicles and
more electronic gizmos.
So we're literally entering acage in metal where all these
EMFs are concentrated inside.
And then people use their phoneinside, sometimes two phones.
(22:23):
Sometimes you see Uber driverswith like three phones.
I don't know why they havemultiple, but you know, it's
again, as high as possible.
It just looks like, okay, well,anything goes because everything
is safe.
That's not the case.
So with electric vehicles, thething I would say is that if the
design of the car is in a waywhere the batteries are
(22:45):
underneath the driver's seat,which is one of the designs
that, um, I cannot, you know,tell you to make and models just
verify where the batteries are,they should be in front or in
the back, not right next to yourbody.
People don't feel well andyou're just exposed to high
levels of magnetic fieldsbecause, of course, a strong
battery will have a fieldassociated with it.
(23:07):
So if you use your car like me,which is I don't own a car, then
you're fine.
I rent vehicles, for example.
So for me, it wouldn't be apriority in my life to mitigate
EMFs from a car that much exceptif I feel very, very unwell in
my car, but, if you own a carand you have daily commute up
to, you know, two, three hours,or even worse, like my dad,
(23:31):
you're a realtor and you spendyour life in your car, you know,
going to clients visits.
And he, I think he still eatsburgers in his car, even though
I tried to have him clean up hisdiet, he's gotten better, but he
spends his life in his car.
The reality is that he's on theroad a lot, then it becomes a
priority for you.
If you use your car from time totime, start worrying about your
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bedroom and your office first,right?
So the priorities really go byhow many hours are you spending
in certain environments and youtry to clean those.
It's difficult though, becauseI'll give you that.
Most new cars will have allsorts of features that sometimes
can be turned off like the Wi Fihot spot or the Bluetooth
options?
Sometimes not.
(24:14):
So if I had to purchase a newcar, which I, I might do in the
future, but you know, I'm inMontreal, I use a lot of, uh,
subway and sometimes the bus.
But if I had to purchase a car,I would go to the manufacturer
and I would look at what are theoptions that could be exposing
me to EMF?
So it could be the Bluetooth inthe car dashboard and you play
around.
Sometimes it can be turned off,which is great news.
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And I would buy a car normallywithout any cellular hotspot.
It's not like we need one morehotspot in front of you while
you drive.
You already have your phonethere.
So just using your phone in away that is safer, you could,
for example pre download a lotof music, uh, Spotify is great
for that.
You can have offline optionswhen you have pre downloaded
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your favorite tracks.
Uh, you could pre downloadpodcasts, for example.
And then you can make it so thatyou stay on airplane mode for
most of the trip.
So that's, there are many waysto lower the exposures that you
do have control over.
Ivelisse Page (25:12):
Yes.
That's excellent.
And you can order from themanufacturer, which is kind of
what I did.
And I declined on the backupcameras and, and things like
that.
My husband and my, my kids, allof them are Jeep Wrangler fans.
And so they're basic models thatdon't have all these lot of
technologies with Wi Fis, whichis really helpful as well too.
But, let's in the last fewmoments that we have, I'd like
(25:35):
for us to go back to two thingsthat you said.
Can you share practical tips,the first with how to make your
work environment, your officemore EMF friendly or safer?
And then the second would be,what are some practical ways
that we can make our bedrooms,safer and better?
Nick Pineault (25:53):
Sure.
Yeah, great idea.
So the office, it's really thehighest source of EMFs is from
your computer, right?
If you are an office worker likeme, I'm an author, I spend I
must say, I don't wanna say thereal number.
I mean over 40 hours in front ofthis computer.
It's a large fraction of mylife, even though I try to take
(26:13):
breaks and this and that.
Overall, if you start a timereach time I'm, I'm in front of
my computer, you realize thatthis is one of the important
environments.
So that's why people inergonomics would tell you, well,
your chair better be asergonomic as possible because
your, your body will become achair.
Well, the same thing for yourcomputer.
What your computer emits, whichis Wi Fi right in front of you
(26:35):
might impact you in a profoundway because we're talking about
many, many hours of exposure.
So that's why I invite everyoneto consider having an Ethernet
cable that runs from your routerto a computer.
So if you don't know where yourrouter is, which is where most
people are at, start lookinginto it.
Okay, where did they put therouter?
Is it in my bedroom?
(26:56):
Hopefully not but some peoplethis is the case I even you know
had a couple tell me we realizedafter reading your book and
everything that the Wi Fi wasunderneath our bed.
So it's really a poor placementand of course you want to turn
it off.
But, all that to say that forme, it's very far away.
So we had to run a cable It'snot the prettiest thing.
We tacked it to the side of thewall, but now we own this place.
(27:19):
We might consider running it inthe walls, which is another
possibility.
And you hire an IT company.
They come over.
It costs a few hundred dollars,and then you have an Ethernet
cable running to your computer.
What is stellar about this goodold, almost, you know, old
technology of the cable is thatit is stable.
And, there's no way I would havethe ability to stream with this
(27:42):
type of camera, which is veryhigh quality if I had Wi Fi
here.
So when I came into thisapartment seven years ago, the
Wi Fi was so poor that I wasgetting frustrated.
Right?
Oh, darn Wi Fi.
It's always dropping.
My quality is poor.
I don't look professional andall this.
So I started doing EMFinterviews.
I was getting very frustrated.
(28:03):
And at the time, I was juststarting to get into EMF
mitigation myself because I wasjust learning about the topic.
So when I had the cable pluggedin, I realized it's fast and it
never drops.
So there's an advantage to beingcabled, especially when you're
in a place where it'sstationary, doesn't move.
So you don't need Wi Fi.
And then if you need Wi Fi fromtime to time, you can just keep
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Wi Fi turned off if you neverneed it, and when you need it,
you turn it on.
Right?
That's something that can bedone.
A lot of people think Wi Fineeds to be connected 24/7.
It's not the case.
You can just open it when youneed to and in the meantime, you
can just use a good old cable.
That would be the number onething I would say for the
office.
And then, of course, a lot ofpeople, especially men, have
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this phone in their pocket allthe time, all day, every day.
That's a big mistake.
The radiofrequency radiation hasbeen, obviously, I told about
the fertility risks, but there'salso testosterone production.
So I know a lot of men in their50s tell me, oh, fertility
risks, I don't mind, you know, Idon't want more children, I
already have teenagers, or Idon't want any children.
(29:10):
Well, you do want yourtestosterone, do you?
And now they freak out.
They say, oh my for sure.
Especially as you're aging,you're trying to maintain
testosterone, libido, musclestrength, bone strength, and
your mind will get impacted ifyou're a low testosterone,
you're low drive in life so itcan impact you.
And there are many things goingagainst us, against, uh, us men
(29:30):
for testosterone and againstwomen for just their hormonal
balance that it it's much moredifficult to keep these days
because of all the hormonaldisruptor.
Your phone is an endocrinedisruptor, guys.
It's the same endocrinedisruption that can be said from
BPA and other plastics can beapplied or is caused by your
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phone.
It's just that we don't see itthis way.
We don't imagine that aninvisible signal versus an
invisible molecule could havethis impact, and yet it does.
So your phone not in yourpocket, put it in front of you.
Arm's length is okay, and if youexpect a call, that's fine.
You don't have to stay onairplane mode.
Personally, I stay on airplanemode and then.
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On my computer, there's, I havea VOIP phone, so what it means
is that it's an internet phone.
You just register for a certainphone number, and people call me
on the computer, so that'stremendous.
I can talk on a computer and ofcourse it doesn't emit any
radiation because it's onethernet.
So that's just another thing toconsider.
Now with the cellular network isalmost obsolete at this point.
(30:37):
All, most calls are done via theinternet.
You can also just use certainsoftwares to do most of your
calls and that way you're justin a better place.
You're not running around with aphone and busy and hanging the
phone like this and, you know,uh, being all stressed in your
neck.
So stop doing that.
Instead, take all your calls infront of a computer and you can
(30:58):
be reached at any time duringyour office hours, for example.
In the bedroom, I would say turnoff the phones or airplane mode,
or if they are open, put them asfar away from your pillow as
possible.
If possible, charge them in thenext room.
If you charge them very close tothe pillow, I would use the
arm's length rule, and turn offthe Wi Fi also.
(31:18):
So even if you still use Wi Fifor different things, make sure
that Wi Fi router is turned offat night.
There's no reason to use Wi Fiwhen you are sleeping, of
course.
So some people prefer puttingtheir Wi Fi on a Christmas light
timer.
These outlet timers that can beautomated.
It's very practical.
You set it, you forget it.
And for some parents, it's agreat way to stop the internet
(31:40):
at a certain time for theteenagers or even younger
children, you know, that mightsneak in some Wi Fi in the
middle of the night or somethinglike that.
And when you look at surveys,it's actually a large percentage
of even children that are Ithink in primary school or, you
know, a little bit older thatare sneaking notifications in
the middle of the night becausethey're keeping up with friends
(32:03):
and everything is exciting.
So it's also making us and ourkids neurotic.
So that's also a way to helpthem navigate technology that
has been built as addictive.
Everything is stacked against usthese days.
It's just, it's just the way itis.
But something we talked about alot during my summit interviews,
I told you about, that's goingto come up next year.
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But it's really up to us asparents to set the boundaries
for these technologies.
And it's kind of a, I don't knowif it's a sad role to play, but
it's a, it's tedious, just likewith food, but we have to do it.
This is just the reality.
And we see the kids where theparents are taking great care in
limiting technology, using it ina healthier way, in an educative
(32:47):
manner.
The kids are just better, andthe kids that are glued on the
phone all the time at dinner.
And it's too late sometimes.
And it really impacts their, theway that they interact with the
world.
So I think that many parentslistening to this are already up
to this.
But that's what I would sayabout technology.
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If you have other things thatmight emit EMFs in your bedroom,
apply the same rules and try toturn it off.
But, that's mainly what I wouldsay.
And of course, I'm not a fan of,you know, standing in the, in
your bed.
And the last thing you seebefore hitting the sack is your
phone and notifications andthings like that.
So I prefer reading a book, butyou do you, but in the end it's
(33:28):
a great habit to, to set whereyou try to limit technology 30
minutes before bed as well.
Ivelisse Page (33:33):
I love those.
Those are fantastic tips.
And yeah, we did that in ourhouse too.
We turned off the Wi Fi, onceour kids got to high school, we
actually made it 1 a.
m.
because sometimes they're uplate working with papers.
And it was, it was earlierbefore then we would all park
our phones in the kitchen.
Like they weren't thrilled withthat, but we always just parked
them in there.
(33:53):
And we just knew that it wasbetter for everyone.
And I know our time is out, butI would love for you to send us
those links for some of yourfavorite things that you've used
to mitigate EMFs within the homeand in the office and we'll put
links to those.
I know two of my favorites thatI use, and again, because I'm so
sensitive, I notice that theyare working.
(34:16):
Whether the science andtechnology research has backed
it or not, but things like theSoma Vedic I have at my home,
and it neutralizes the space.
It doesn't block it like a safesleeve would with your phone.
It just neutralizes ourenvironment.
I noticed a huge relief in myenergy when I use that.
And then the other thing that Iuse that I travel with is the
(34:37):
Aries Tech.
I wear it and where I wasgetting tons of headaches and
from being in the Wi Fi in theairplanes and, you know,
blocking it as much as possiblewith my Lamb's Clothing that I
would wear, I was still gettingaffected by it and that has also
helped and we'll make sure toput links to those things as
well.
But, Nick, thank you so much forwhat you do for educating all of
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us on this really important partof our health that sometimes
does not get the, you know, isnot in the news or is not at the
forefront of what people arereally looking at, but really
need to.
And so we're so grateful for allthat you do to educate through
your summits and everything elsethat you do.
And we'll make sure also put alink to your website.
Nick Pineault (35:20):
Thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
And I have to mention the workof so many scientists that come
before me.
I'm just reporting on theirwork.
The only way we're going to getanswers that are final and
safety in the way we usetechnology is through their
work.
So I try to interview them,feature their work, and to me, I
really stand on the shoulder ofgiants and I'm trying just to
(35:41):
make it a little bit simpler forpeople to understand.
A little bit more down to earth.
Sometimes it gets complicated,but just do your best, you know,
try, try to have EMFs, okay,well, this is one of the long
laundry list of things that Ishould minimize and then do your
best, get better over time.
That's just like with food andother things like your laundry
(36:03):
detergent, and all these littlethings you have to think about
these days.
Ivelisse Page (36:07):
Well, thank you so much.
I completely agree.
And, uh, until next time, thankyou.
Nick Pineault (36:12):
Thank you.
Ivelisse Page (36:19):
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