95-Megan Van Zyl - Emotions & Cancer's Root Causes - Believe Big Podcast

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Ivelisse Page (00:06):
Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page and thanks for listening to
the Believe Big podcast, theshow where we take deep dive
into your healing with healthexperts, integrative
practitioners, biblical faithleaders, and cancer thrivers
from around the globe.

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Welcome to today's episode onthe Believe Big podcast.
My name is Ivelisse Page andit's an honor to spend this time
with you.
Well, today you are in for atreat as we welcome to the
podcast, Megan Van Zyl who isthe founder and CEO of Cancer
Peace University.

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Megan received an honorarydoctorate from United
Theological College inPhilosophy of Humanities for her
significant work with thosediagnosed with cancer.
She also holds a Master's inHuman Development Counseling
from Vanderbilt University.
Megan works with cancer clientsaddressing both the emotional

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and physical roots of theirdiagnosis.
She also created Cancer PeaceUniversity.
A training program forintegrative practitioners to
gain an in-depth knowledge ofcontributing factors to a cancer
diagnosis.
I am so excited to speak to youtoday.
Welcome to the podcast, Megan.

Megan Van Zyl (01:36):
Oh, thank you so much for having me.
I've really been following yourwork and have known several
people connected to Believe Big,and I know you guys are so
supportive of cancer patients.
I'm thankful to be here.

Aw.
Well, we always start ourepisode with our guest's
favorite health tip.
Do you have one that you're ableto share with us today?

Yes, I do, and it's really important for my own
journey.
I would say when I was around 22years old working on a college
campus, I was mentoring collegestudents and when I was on
campus, I noticed I had asignificant decrease in energy
and I was only 22 and I feltlike I was tired all the time.

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And for me it was actuallypurpose.
It was really connecting myhealth to my purpose that made
the difference.
And when I realized that if Iwanted to have a greater impact
on the lives of college studentsand have the energy for it, I
was gonna have to change mylifestyle.
And that's what motivated me todo a 30 day challenge.

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And I read Jordan Rubin's bookand did his 30 day lifestyle
change, and it really amped upmy energy.
And for cancer patients, theytend to have the motivation.
A lot of people have a verystrong will to live and a lot of
things they have not yetaccomplished.
And that is really the drivingforce, I think is zoning in on

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your purpose.

Hmm.
I love that.
Yes.
And I also read that book byJordan Rubin, and it was one of
my first health books that Iread, goodness, 15 years ago.
So yes, it's a great book.

Yes, very inspiring.
His before and after picturereally inspired me.

Yes, yes.
So one of the things that I loveabout what you're doing is, you
know, there are people in thisworld who focus on the emotional
healing side, and then there'ssome that work on the physical
healing side, and you do both.
So I really love that.
Every, practitioner has theirplace and their giftedness.
And what I love about whatyou're doing is that you do

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both.
So I would love to start firstwith the physical side before we
push into the emotional healingside.
And I know that you teach aboutthe immune system's role in
cancer.
Um, how do autoimmune diseases,leaky gut, and like chronic
infections, impact a cancerdiagnosis and healing?

Yes.
So you really can't developcancer without having a state of
anergy, which is thenon-reactivity of the immune
system.
There's always gonna becontinuum of how reactive
someone's immune system is andhow non-reactive it is.
But definitely when someone hasa progressive late stage cancer
diagnosis, their immune systemis not appropriately responding

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to cancer cells.
And a big part of the physicalside is finding out why the
immune system is dormant andnon-reactive.
And many times there can be anautoimmune condition that's not
diagnosed; inflammation, chronicinflammatory responses that are
not completing their healingprocess in the body, and it's
unearthing those.
So whether it be h pylori,whether it be a chronic viral

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infection that hasn't beendiagnosed like hepatitis
hepatitis B or C, sometimespeople also have exposure to
pesticides, parasites, chemicalexposures that will cause this
chronic inflammatory response.
And so that is why you hearthose amazing stories when
someone, for example, gets onFemazole and then they have this

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amazing response.
Their cancer finally responds tothe protocol.
Well, perhaps the parasiticinfection is the major reason
why the immune system'sdepleted.
And so when you hit the majorreason, then you usually see a
shift in the immune system'sability to respond.

Very interesting.
It, it is so interesting.
I know that also Dr.
Otto Warburg's research onmitochondrial dysfunction and
cancer is a core part of yourcurriculum.
Can you explain the chicken orthe egg debate in the
mitochondrial disease andcancer?

Yes, definitely.
Yes, definitely with themitochondria.
Um, most people, um, during acancer diagnosis will need
varied approaches to supportingthe mitochondria.
And a common path thatintersects between all of what
we're talking about withautoimmune and the mitochondria
is thyroid health.

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So thyroid hormone is supposedto be the fuel to, to really
feed at the cellular level, tofeed to the mitochondria.
And what can happen is forexample, if you have a
deficiency in iodine and yourbody doesn't have enough iodine
to amp up the thyroid hormonesin the body, then you might not
have what you need to producethe right thyroid hormones that

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can get to the cell to feed yourmitochondria.
Um, the other thing that canhappen with thyroid health and
mitochondria crossover is thatif there's pollutants or toxins
encasing around the cellmembranes, then the thyroid
hormone might not be able to getinside the cell to act on the
mitochondria.
So one missing link for cancerpatients can be how the thyroid

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interacts with the mitochondria.
And others, it's a deficiency inoxygen, so a lack of oxygen will
lead to the cancer cells formingand starting to ferment glucose
instead of respiring oxygen toproduce the A TP energy.
And this is what reallymitochondria are meant to do, is

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respire oxygen to produce energyin an efficient manner at the
cellular level.
And when there's a lack ofoxygen and oxygen deficiency,
this is when the cells willmorph and change into cancer
cells.
And that's really the work ofDr.
Ada Warberg.
But then it was continuedthrough Dr.
Joanna Budwig.
Her discovering, um, the healthyfat connection and how the

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cellular membranes need to bebuilt with those healthy fats to
attract the oxygen into thecell.
So there's a lot of differentavenues of mitochondria health
that need to be explored.

Yes.
So much that has been done andso much that still needs to be
done.
And you explained that reallywell.
You know, detoxification is akey factor in healing.
So what have you found are thebiggest detoxification
impairments cancer patients faceand how can they support their
liver bile flow and evenM-T-H-F-R pathways, those that

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have that snip.
And and again, I will prefacethis by saying you're not
offering any medical advice andthey have to speak to their own
practitioners.
But in general and overall, whatwould you share are some of the
biggest impairments and how, howcan people support them?

Well, a lot of times I find that my clients
with cancer end up being slowmethylators or slow detoxifiers
and very sensitive.
So if I'm putting someone on aprotocol and they have cancer,
more than likely they're gonnahave a heightened response to
something, a heightenedreactivity, whether they're
having more herxheimer reactionsor healing retracing detox

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symptoms.
And then so they're gonna beneeding more support and, and,
and when you think about cancer.
Cancer has so many differentroot issues that create the
perfect storm that allow cancerto develop, and some of those
pathways are how the detox isimpaired.
It just depends what system it'simpaired in.

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So somebody can have impairmentin the lymph system.
Uh, where the lymph is stagnantand not circulating through, um,
and able to detox.
And so this is where drybrushing and rebounding can make
a big difference.
Others do need more testing tofind out, do you have an
M-T-H-F-R mutation that iscausing you to be a slow

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methylator?
And a lot of people are exposedto synthetic folate and, um, we
have so much synthetic folate inour system and supplements that
can cause an issue with theM-T-H-F-R process in the body.
And so a lot of times peopleneed to have that type of
support to methylateappropriately.

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And there's a lot of greatdoctors that do that genetic
testing to find out is there anissue with your M-T-H-F-R
pathway.
Others just have major backup intheir liver.
They may have, even in the pasthad gallstones or different ways
that the body's had to adapt.
So whenever there's an issuewith detox, the body has to

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adapt to handle the overonslaught of those toxins.
And so whether it's storing itin fatty tissue, whether it's
creating gallstones, um, somepeople even have the perspective
that cancer is really aadaptation to adapt to a very
toxic environment internally, avery oxygen deprived toxic

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environment that is not able todeal with all the toxins.
And so cancer is an extension ofthe immune system and detox
system where there's aninability to properly manage all
of that.
And so there's so manystrategies that are so important
during cancer.
Things like coffee enemas,infrared saunas, modified citrus
pectin, and so many cancerpatients have an over exposure

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to heavy metals.
And then we have this heavymetal issue of how do we safely
and effectively chelate out allthese heavy metals we've been
exposed to.
So there's all these, so manydifferent pieces.

Yeah.
And we keep discovering everyday how much, not only heavy
metals, but microplastics are inour foods and things that we're
eating.
And you mentioned modifiedcitrus pectin.
Can you briefly explain whatthat is and why that's would it
be an important way to help thebody?

Yes.
So modified citrus pectin is oneof the first protocols I'll
recommend, especially if someoneis gonna do a biopsy or surgery.
Um, a lot of people areconcerned of seeding, so if you,
um, do a biopsy, needle biopsy,or if you do surgery, there's
the reality that the microscopicCTCs and cancer stem cells can

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spill out in the bloodstream andthen it can resettle somewhere
else.
But, the way that modifiedcitrus pectin works is it breaks
apart the, the clumping that canhappen with cancer cells.
With galectin 3, there's aneffect of clumping that causes
the cancer cells to be verysticky and then able, more

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easily able to resettle in a newarea.
But the modified citrus pectinwill break that up, break up
that clumping, and so it'sreally important prior to
surgery, prior to a biopsy, andthen to be on it throughout.

That's awesome.
And do you suggest for someone,how, how long post-surgery have
you found that to be helpfulwith the modified citrus pectin?

Yeah, so Dr.
John Elliot, the doctor that,um, discovered the modified
citrus pectin and galectin 3, heactually spoke at the Beljanski
Conference a year and a halfago, and they had initially just
suggested a period of months,but now they're saying at least
two years post-surgery, um,because they're seeing that

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there's a need for a longer alongevity with it.
You know, some protocols you maywanna be on it longer, but
sometimes it's like the dosage.
So with modified citrus pectin,you may wanna be on five grams
for a period of time and thendose it down a little bit, but
keep it in your system.

I love it.
That's great.
Thank you for sharing that.
Yeah.
So, you know, Cancer PeaceUniversity teaches about the
emotional roots of cancer, so,so important.
Can you explain how childhoodbeliefs and subconscious
programming that has happenedcan influence a cancer risk?

Yes.
Uh, so there's different anglesto look at how the body is
interconnected, inner wired, andwhy it's so important to look at
psychology, to look at theemotions.
Um, psycho neuroimmunology isthe study of how the immune
system is responsive to ourneurology and our psychology.
And one of the studies looked atcancer patients who are better

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able to psychologically facetheir disease.
And Dr.
Professor Herberman actuallyfound that they had a higher
level of natural killer cellactivity.
Um, and those cancer patientsthat were more depressed or felt
helpless, their natural killercells were more suppressed in
the body.
Another amazing study looked atthe activity of natural killer

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cells in lieu of stresshormones.
And when there's a high amountof stress hormones released in
the body, the natural killercells were found to be glued
against the blood vessel lining,and they remained passive
instead of active against thecancer.
And so when I look at childhoodtrauma and I look at how it
affects the immune system, thebiggest thing that I will say is

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it just simply causes immunesystem suppression in the same
way that a toxin would with aninflammatory response that can
suppress an immune systemresponse.
Um, so that's the, the biggestway, but there's also a larger
picture of the energetic, anenergetic manner in which it
depletes the ability for thebody to have a positive

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energetic flow, the flow ofelectrons.
And so you think about a healthybody does not have any blockages
to the flow of information, tothe flow of your emotions, to
the flow of your system, yourenergetic channels.
But what happens with energyblockages is it starts in our
core beliefs.
It starts in our right brain andit's mainly unconscious.

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We're not aware of it.
Uh, we create our belief systemfrom womb to seven.
So you're literally buildingyour belief system when you're
in the womb.
Hmm.
And until seven.
And that's, uh, verydisheartening for some people
that have had horriblechildhoods.
If you've had a horriblechildhood, your core belief
system is going to be triggereda lot to cause you to perceive

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the world in a, a very negativemanner.
And.
So what can happen is the personwho had childhood trauma and
then has trauma as an adult,their perception of a trauma as
an adult will be skewed to makeit very hard to even move
through that trauma.

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And so then they can get stuckin a grief cycle.
A grief situation can becomemuch more complicated for them
to process.
And sometimes it's easy toexplain, easier to explain this
in terms of my experience withmy clients, so one way I'll
explain it, I had a client, um,with stage four, a dental
carcinoma and he had a reallyhorrible childhood.

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And, but what triggered what hefelt triggered his cancer was
his friend committed suicide andhe had been in premarital
counseling helping this friend,and he thought that's why he
developed cancer.
But when we started to exploredeeper, he realized and he was
able to connect a memory fromchildhood to, uh, the situation

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with his friend that committedsuicide.
And what he realized, because hefelt like it was his fault that
his friend committed suicide.
But when we explored that guilt,the blame, the shame he felt, he
was able to go back to a memorywhere he felt the same.
And his mom was actually blaminghim for going through a divorce
with his father, and he all of asudden he was like, oh, this is

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not even about my friend, eventhough there's a component.
But he was not able to resolvethe trauma until he went back
and then he was able to forgivehis mom.
We redesigned that memory andthen he was able to see the
situation with his friend in adifferent light, and it
basically unlocked unblocked hisown energetic channels, and he

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was able to really move forwardin a much more profound healing
manner after that.

Hmm.
That's beautiful.
You know, you, you actuallyencourage people to become their
own brain surgeon by reviewingtheir subconscious mind.
What are some practical ways, sowe've heard, you know, the head
knowledge of all of that, butthe scientific knowledge of it.
But what are some practical waysto shift, um, those core beliefs

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to support healing?

Yes, definitely.
There's so many great strategiesand this is where the belief of
even understanding what iscancer is so important, and this
is why I do a lot of education,because if you believe that
cancer is a physical diseasewith no psychological
underpinnings, no energetic, um,aspects to it, then you're going

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to focus on eating the perfectdiet, taking 85 supplements.
And so often I've had cancerpatients come to me and they're
working with multiplepractitioners.
They're on 60 to 80 supplementsa day, doing tons of IVs.
They're spending a lot of money,which sometimes is necessary
alongside of the emotional side,but they are totally focused on

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the physical side.
And I've had clients come to methat are all in on the physical
side, and yet they have thislooming trauma that they haven't
resolved.
And unfortunately, the way thatwe have traditionally approached
trauma has not been supportivefor people to resolve.

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So talk therapy is one of thepredominant ways that people
will utilize psychotherapy andcounseling, and the reality is
the research does not supportthat.
When trauma occurs, there'sseveral areas of the brain that
can actually shut downpost-trauma.
And one of those areas is, um,the Broca's area of the brain.

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And that is actually connectedto your speech center.
And so your speech center willshut down.
And it's the same area thatshuts downs after a stroke that
causes it hard for someone tospeak.
And so when you try to processtrauma through talk therapy, you
literally have no language forit.
Hmm.
And so it's actually can be evenmore traumatic to try to process

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a trauma through talk,traditional talk therapy.
And so it's really good thatyou're bringing up, well, how do
we approach it if we know thatthere's something that is not
resolved?
And this is some of the thingsthat we do.
In our work with cancer patientsis how do you dig deep enough to
really connect the left and theright brain?

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Because a lot of the work thatneeds to be done and is in the
right brain, it's in the, um,subconscious part of your brain
and partly your brain isprotecting yourself.
When you're a child, you don'thave the emotional intelligence
or the ability to process thingsthat happen to you, and so it's
a protective mechanism to allowyou to continue to grow and
learn and still have positiveattributes of your life.

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If we were constantly aware ofthe trauma we've been through
and not able to resolve it, wewould definitely be impaired in
our ability to interact with theworld.
So it is a protective mechanism.
But now when we're, um, adults,most people become emotionally
intelligent or versed, and theirbrain becomes fully formed and
developed around 25 years ofage.

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And the job, the rest of yourlife is really to resolve
trauma, resolve your childhood.
Since we don't live in a perfectworld, and when we're connecting
left brain to right brain, wehave to do simple things that
are super powerful.
We need to do things like freeassociation journaling, where
we're dumping all of ourthoughts.
If you don't think you have anemotional intelligence or an

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ability to articulate how youfeel, free association
journaling is the first place tostart because you're dumping
your thoughts that are connectedto the emotion.
For me, when I first startedthis process in my early
twenties, I remember sitting inStarbucks on their beautiful
plush couch, purple chairs thatthey used to have.

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And I, I would dump my thoughtsand then it would be like 20
minutes later I would finallyconnect to my emotion and I'd
be, and I'd be like, that's howI feel.
And then I would just startcrying.
And that I had to do that forseveral years because I didn't
have a connection between leftand right brain, and it was hard

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for me to verbalize my emotions.
That's how I learned myemotional intelligence.
So that's step number one.

Okay.
So how many steps are there?

That's a good question.
Well, it depends.
Yeah.
I would say what it depends onif we're focusing on childhood
or adult trauma.
I always have people.
I think a, a great next step iswrite your child your timeline
of trauma.
You probably have a timeline oftrauma from when you're a child
and you probably have a timelineof trauma as an adult.
Start writing it down and startjournaling what you went

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through, and that can even helpretell a story from a different
light.

Yeah, and I completely agree.
I, I went away on a retreat withSoul Shepherding, um, part of my
course, uh, probably about twoweeks ago, and I, I realized
subconsciously that.
I, I, I had abandonment woundsbecause of my father dying when
I was so little, uh, fromcancer.

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Wow.
And I had done so much emotionalwork and I, I couldn't believe
that 41 years later I was stillgrieving the loss of my father
and they had us do that exercisebut with a tweak.
They had me write a letter toJesus to say, tell him how
you're feeling about not havingyour dad around.
And so I went through and, andjust shared how I miss not being

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able to hold his hands or thatmy kids weren't able to meet him
nor my husband.
And Wow.
You know, I went through thatwhole story.
And then the really beautifulpart was, the next step for me
was they asked me to have topray and then to picture, Jesus
responding back to me.
What do you think he would besaying in that moment to

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response to your letter?
And so then I wrote what he, um,said back to me, and it was so
healing.
It was so amazing.
And so I, I totally see whatyou're saying about the, the
journaling and how attaching theright and the left brain is,
can, can really be that part ofhealing those emotions that um,

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were hurt, you know, when wewere younger and even today.
So I I love that.
And so, speaking of faith, Iknow one of the things that I
love about Cancer PeaceUniversity is that you are a
faith-based, though you help allyou know, regardless of what
background they're coming from,similar to Believe Big, but I
love that you have that faith inChrist as the foundation, um, of

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your counseling and, and of whatyou offer.
You know, healing, like yousaid, is not just about the
body, it's about our spirit.
Yeah.
So how does faith play a role inCancer Peace University?

Yeah, that's a great question.
So I think the, the basics isit, uh, is that I'm a Christian
and I, uh, fully believe in Godand, and Jesus.
But what I would say is I had myown journey to connect with God
in a relational way and didn'treally have a spiritual
connection until I was 20.

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And I think because of that, Ireally love the process of
walking cancer patients througha journey of understanding what
they believe and why.
And so part of what we do andwhat I feel our role is, is
realizing that cancer is not adeath sentence.
That we've seen people in stagefour go through spontaneous

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remission, and it's beenbeautiful and amazing, and
that's what we believe for, foreveryone.
However, we also know that someof the cancer patients we work
with do not survive theirdiagnosis.
And because of that, we thinkit's very important that we help
cancer patients grow in theirunderstanding of their beliefs,
how they were raised, what theybelieve, um, and, and growing in

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that and really asking thosedeep questions that maybe they
haven't had an opportunity toask.
And, you know, I've worked witheveryone from you know, my
client that was Hindu to my, myclient that was an atheist, to
Christians and all of them growand learn.

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And one of my favorite things isjust when we go through the
memory work, we simply inviteGod in.
We invite the spirit realm inand God is able to meet anyone
wherever they're at.
And show them what they need tohear.
And it really doesn't matterwhat religion you're raised in

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we all need to connect with Godin an authentic manner.
And one of the biggest, I think,transformative books I've read
on cancer in terms of looking atthe transition from life to
death as a developmental stageis Cancer as a Turning Point.
So there was a book, Cancer as aTurning Point, and in the book,

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they really talk about how toapproach death as a
developmental stage and how toask questions that someone might
be going through if they'refacing a near death situation.
And, um, it's questions like,what do you believe about what

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happens after you die?
What do you believe about, um,God?
Who's God to you?
And the most beautiful thingthat he talked about in that
book is the transcendent death.
And a transcendent death is whenwe're able to fully let go of
life on earth and fully embracelife after death and connect

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with that and have peace in, indeath.
And, I didn't realize it, but myfriend that, uh, went through
her cancer battle.
Before I started working withcancer patients, when I was,
when I was a new practitionerworking with children with
autism, she had this experiencethat I couldn't articulate.

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When we were in hospice, I had afriend share her story of going
through a divorce and how shewas able to resolve and forgive,
and because our friend was inand out of a coma and she wasn't
very verbal, we didn't get anyverbal feedback.
But, two days later, she sits upin her bed and is completely

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able to speak.
She has this like glow on herface, very peaceful, and her
voice had changed.
Before that, her voice was veryrough and kind of like, she had
like this rough sound to it, andher face was like, kind of like
hardened.
All of a sudden her face waslike soft.

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It was like bitterness hadmelted off her face and she was
the sweetest person you'd evermeet.
And she was able to talk to hersister, which she didn't have a
really good relationship withher sister.
She died three days later, butthen all of a sudden I knew she
had a transcendent death, and Ithought, how beautiful was that,
that she was able to transitionin that way and release

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everything, all the regret andpain and bitterness from the
past and completely grab a holdof eternity.

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Yes.
Yeah, and I think for me as aChristian, I think that's one of
the greatest hopes, right?
That life here on earth there,there is life beyond it.
And we have the hope that, youknow, we're all gonna die at
some point.
We all have an expiration date.
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last and we have that hope thatno matter what happens, we, we

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And so what a peace that givesus that we can release all those
things that you're talking aboutand know that we have this great
hope of a future where therewill be no more pain.
There will be no more disease.
There will no be any more cryingand sadness and will be an
eternal glory and, wow, that,that is just such a beautiful

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picture of what's to come and wehave so much to look forward to.
And, uh, so in closing, I knowour time has just quickly come
to us, and I really want toaddress that because I think
sometimes that moment oftransitioning into that death or
facing death brings a lot offear to cancer patients.

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And I didn't wanna leave thispodcast without you addressing
that because I feel that that isone thing that most cancer
patients face more beyond thephysical side of cancer is the
fear of cancer and the fear ofdying.
So what's the most powerfulmindset shift you've seen in
patients who have embraced whatyou're helping them work

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through?
In the sense of fear.

Yeah.
Yeah.
So I would say there's severalthat come to mind, but, and can
I share two, because I have twostories that I think Yes.
Would, would help.
So the first story is a, asurprising turn because I
started working with a, with aclient that had stage four, um,

(32:43):
endometrial cancer.
And she had she was that thatcancer patient that had the
perfect diet was on 60supplements, worked with two
integrative clinics, and hercancer was still progressing.
And when we started to worktogether, she told me that her
son, um, died of an overdose andshe knew that trauma was not

(33:04):
resolved.
I mean, that has gotta be thehardest trauma to resolve.
Her son was in his earlytwenties.
And they knew of his struggles.
They were trying to help him andhe died of an overdose and she
really struggled to resolvethat.
And that was the first thing westarted to work on.
But I remember at the beginningof our conversation, she said to

(33:26):
me, I know that I might die.
And do you work with people in,um, hospice care.
And I had to encourage herbecause I said, I don't think
we're there.
I can if we get there, butthere's still hope.
Like I don't think we're we're,we haven't exhausted everything.

(33:48):
And she needed to know that wehadn't exhausted everything.
'cause if you're doing cancerand you're approaching it from
the physical standpoint and youhave unresolved trauma, then
you're not done with your workwith it.
And her story was amazingbecause.
She did four rounds ofpalliative chemo.
We addressed the trauma.
She was finally able to resolveand redesign those memories of

(34:12):
her son dying of the overdose.
We were able to invite thespirit realm, invite God into
the memories they were able toshift.
She did her timeline of traumafrom childhood, which was really
just six very simple memories,but I still remember the day she
reached out to me.
We'd just finished her timelineof trauma.

(34:32):
And her scan was the same week.
The scan came back completelyclear.
No cancer in her body.
What?
She, yes, she had gone through aspontaneous remission, surprised
everyone, um, and her body hadresponded.
And that Japanese research hasfound that spontaneous remission
from cancer occurs within 24hours of a profound internal

(34:56):
transformation.

Wow.

And that's our work.
Our work at Cancer PeaceUniversity has helped people
have that profound internaltransformation.
Now for some people, when theygo through that profound
internal transformation, it isthat spontaneous remission
comes.
For others, the innertransformation is to prayer for
that transcendent death, whichis what I've seen, um, with

(35:20):
other cancer patients.
I had a cancer patient, um.
And this is the other story.
My client who grew up in India,and she had an ovarian cancer
diagnosis that just came back,was very aggressive and, she, I
still remember it was so amazingbecause I had a dream of doing a

(35:43):
call with her and her mom, and Idon't, I mean, I have a handful
of times had dreams of clients.
But I had such a straightdirective of like, do a call
with her and her mom, and Istill remember the call with her
and her mom.
I mean, so beau it was sobeautiful because they were able
to open up and, restore theirrelationship, talk about things

(36:05):
that were hard in theirrelationship, talk about her
childhood, and there was such aa peace and a resolve in that
relationship that I was blownaway, just blown away.
And that transformation of thatrelationship and the
transformation in my client'sheart of just that inner

(36:26):
transformation just stayed withme for weeks on end.
And, and then she did pass, sheended up passing, but I knew
just in her heart, you know, shehad really connected with God in
a, in a genuine way through herprocess of having cancer and
then having that reconcireconciliation with her mom.

(36:47):
That was a transcendent death tome.

Yeah.
That's that's amazing.
And, and amazing for her mom aswell, that that was resolved
before she passed, so that hermom wouldn't be living with any
regrets or shame or hurts.
Mm-hmm.
And so it, it is.
That is a beautifulreconciliation moment for both
of them.
Um, so thank you for sharing.
Thank you for coming on ourpodcast today.

(37:10):
You know, this was really highlyinformative and I know it's
gonna encourage so many peoplewho are listening.
Um, and before we jump off, youhad a special treat for our
listeners about your, uh, 90minute interactive workshop.
So can you share just reallybriefly about that before we log
off?

Yes.
So when I was thinking aboutyour audience, I was thinking
how awesome it would be to do aworkshop because you had asked
how do you do the inner work?
And that's the biggest questionI get.
How do I know I've done enoughwork internally to shift, have
that profound shift.
And so our 90 minute workshop isSpontaneous Remission.

(37:51):
It's closer than you think, andI go through all the science
behind what is canceremotionally.
How the brain rewires aftertrauma.
And then we do a lot of theseinteractive exercises on
spontaneous remission, emotionalroots trauma, and we end it with
redesigning a memory.
So you get to experienceredesigning a memory.

(38:13):
Some people have never done thatbefore and it's so powerful and,
and we're gonna offer that foryour group on May 15th.
It'll be, um, an hour and ahalf, 5:00 to 6:30 PM We're
gonna offer a special price foryour, just your group, and we'd
love for you to join live.
And there will also be arecording.

That's so wonderful.
Thank you so much.
And we will put the link in ourshow notes for anyone who's
interested in participating.
Um, we will put that link inother things that we mentioned
today.
Thank you so much, Megan, forjoining us and, uh, for taking
the time to talk to us today.

Thank you so much.
I really appreciate thisinterview.
Thank you.

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