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BELKY (00:20):
Welcome to the Belt Style
Podcast.
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Welcome to the Belk TilePodcast.
Here's your host, Mike Belk.
Mike (00:43):
Hey there, everyone.
Welcome back to the Belk TilePodcast.
I'm Mike, and you know, Abby.
Abby (00:48):
Good morning, all.
Mike (00:49):
This is one of those
episodes.
I've been waiting for it.
We're talking all about themysterious hollow sound, that
weird thud you sometimes getwhen you walk over tile.
It kind of makes your heartsink, doesn't it?
Abby (00:58):
Oh, absolutely.
And if you've never experiencedit, consider yourself lucky.
But once you've heard thathollow echo underfoot, it's like
every step you take, you startimagining busted tiles, water
damage, the whole nine yards.
But before we get into fullpanic mode, Mike, can you break
down what's actually happeningunder that tile?
Mike (01:16):
Yeah, so when we say a
tile sounds hollow, what we're
really talking about is a gap orvoid between the tile and
what's beneath it, thesubstrate.
Basically, the adhesive didn'tget full coverage when the tile
was set, so there's an airpocket.
It might be from the installermissing a spot, not pressing the
tile down enough, or maybe thesurface wasn't prepped right to
begin with.
And you know, I always tellpeople that hollow sound, it's a
(01:38):
warning sign.
Not every hollow tile isdoomed, but it's not something
you want to ignore.
Abby (01:43):
Right.
And the risks aren't just aboutannoying sounds.
If there's a void, there's notenough support.
Over time, that movementstresses the tile, the grout,
even the subfloor in some cases.
You can end up with crackedtiles or shifting grout, or
worst case, the tiles pop upentirely.
That hollow sound is your housegiving you a nudge, like, hey,
(02:04):
check under here.
Mike (02:05):
Totally.
And speaking of being nudged,I'll never forget the first time
a client called me in a nearpanic.
She just remodeled, and abouttwo weeks after she said, Mike,
I keep hearing this weird hollowsound in the kitchen.
Is my floor falling apart?
Turns out it was just one tilethat wasn't fully bonded, but it
got her, and honestly me,nervous about what could go
wrong if we hadn't caught it.
Abby (02:25):
Well, that's the thing.
It's not just about peace ofmind, right?
If you let it go, it canabsolutely become a bigger
structural issue.
So let's talk about how peopleeven end up with hollow tiles in
the first place.
Because honestly, so much ofthis is avoidable if you know
what to look for.
So one major cause?
Skipping back buttering, which,Mike, you probably see way too
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often.
Basically, installers get in arush and just slather mortar on
the floor, stick the tile down,and walk away.
With bigger tiles, especiallyif you don't coat the back
fully, you're almost guaranteedto have hollow spots later.
Mike (03:00):
You're not wrong.
And even beyond back buttering,I've seen poor mortar coverage
in general.
Like you pull a hollow tile andonly the corners have adhesive.
Sometimes it's the wrong trowelsize, sometimes it's just
rushing.
Then you've got folks layingtile over dusty, uneven concrete
or a subfloor that moves everytime you step on it.
That's asking for trouble fromthe get-go.
Abby (03:20):
Yeah, and honestly, it
doesn't even have to be a bad
installer.
Sometimes it's just notprepping the surface fully or
skipping waterproof membranes inlike bathrooms or basements.
And other times it's using thewrong adhesive for the tile or
the conditions.
Porcelain's heavy, right?
It needs a specific bond.
Or in a really humid space, youmight need a more
moisture-resistant mortar.
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Otherwise, you're settingyourself up for separation down
the road.
Mike (03:44):
And sometimes the building
itself is the problem.
All buildings move, settle,expand, especially with
temperature swings.
If there aren't proper movementjoints left, you'll see not
just hollow tiles, but pop tilestenting whole sections coming
up.
Abby (03:57):
So if you're worried you
might have hollow tiles, here's
the easiest DIY check.
The tap test.
Grab the handle of ascrewdriver or just a coin and
gently tap across the tilesurface.
Solid tiles sound nice anddull, but a hollow one kind of
echoes, almost like you'retapping on a drum.
Mike (04:13):
Yeah, and if you're the
kind to go above and beyond,
there are other ways.
Thermal imaging can sometimespick up voids under floors,
though that's kind of overkillfor most people.
Sometimes it's just looking forclues like is the grout
cracking or do you see the edgesstarting to lift?
Those are big red flags.
Abby (04:29):
And I gotta bring up that
viral Reddit post I saw last
week.
Homeowner noticed a few groutcracks, started tapping, and
ended up realizing half hiskitchen floor sounded hollow.
I felt for him.
They basically had to decidewhether to rip everything out or
try to patch it.
As a designer, that's theconversation we have to have
with clients.
Is this a localized issue or isit all over?
(04:51):
Because the repair path totallychanges depending on that call.
Mike (04:54):
Yeah, and people get
defensive.
Nobody wants to think theirbrand new floor is at risk.
But the sooner you diagnosethese hollow spots, the more
options you have.
Leaving them just gives timefor problems to grow.
So let's say you've found somehollow tiles, don't panic yet.
For small areas, the best fixis often drilling a tiny hole in
the grout and injectingadhesive or epoxy underneath.
(05:15):
It's not magic, but it works ifjust a few tiles are affected
and haven't lifted or crackedyet.
But Abby, you know as well as Ido, this isn't always the
answer.
Abby (05:24):
Nope.
As much as clients wishotherwise, if the problem's
widespread like that Reddit guy,sometimes you just have to pull
the tiles, fix the substrate,and redo it the right way.
And for anyone doing a newinstall, prep is everything.
Clean, level substrate, backbuttering those tiles,
especially the big ones, usingthe right mortar and applying it
(05:44):
evenly.
And if it's a high moisturespot, waterproof membranes and
uncoupling layers are worthevery penny.
Mike (05:50):
Exactly.
Prevention saves so much moneyand hassle.
I remember this one time atBelk Tile, a customer called us
because her floor sounded hollowwhenever she walked by the
fridge.
Turned out a section had barelyany mortar.
We pulled up a couple tiles tocheck, and it let us fix the
problem early, before thehomeowner started seeing cracks,
or worse, having to replace tworooms worth of tile.
That initial warning signalactually saved her whole kitchen
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from disaster.
Abby (06:14):
And even for small
repairs, it's not just about
sticking a new tile down.
Make sure the surfaceunderneath is solid, dry, and
dust-free before you touch athing.
And don't skip on using theright mortar or adhesive.
If you're not sure, ask a pro.
It drives me nuts seeinggorgeous, expensive tiles stuck
down with bargain bin glue.
Or worse, mastic where thin setwas actually needed.
(06:34):
That's just a recipe for doingthe job twice.
Mike (06:37):
Yeah, cheaping out on
adhesives or skipping steps is
one shortcut that's never worthit.
And if you're dealing withmoisture issues, say a basement
or bathroom, you need to addressthat before fixing the tiles.
Otherwise, you're just puttinga band-aid on a bigger problem.
If you're in doubt, get a proin to look for the source
because even a perfect repairfails if you miss the root
cause.
Abby (06:56):
Now, even after you've
fixed a hollow tile, you have to
stay vigilant.
This is where regularmaintenance really pays off.
I always tell folks, walk yourfloors, listen for changes.
If you notice new hollowsounds, tiny grout cracks, or
even a little lifting, don'tignore it.
That's your cue thatsomething's shifting below the
surface.
Mike (07:14):
And if your home has seen
some settling, maybe you've
noticed new cracks in the wallsor doors sticking, maybe it's
worth getting a pro to inspectthe tiles as well.
Especially after bigrenovations, structural shifts,
or even heavy storms, aprofessional can spot things you
might miss.
Sometimes those issues build sogradually you get used to the
new normal until it's too late.
Abby (07:35):
Exactly.
And beyond the freakoutmoments, there's the day-to-day.
Keep tiles clean, stick togentle pH neutral cleaners, and
inspect grout and cornersregularly.
It's such a simple habit, butit helps spot trouble before it
costs you.
Like we talked about in theshower floor episode, noticing a
loose tile early is alwayseasier and cheaper than waiting
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for water to sneak underneathand create chaos.
Mike (07:59):
Prevention really is the
name of the game in tile, isn't
it?
It doesn't have to be anordeal.
If you listen to your floorsand keep up with basic care,
you're cutting off most issuesbefore they ever happen.
A squeak, a hollow tap, alittle grime.
None of them are scary if youdeal with them early.
Abby (08:13):
Absolutely.
And if you start hearing thoseweird sounds or seeing new
cracks, don't hesitate.
A little extra vigilance eachyear goes a long, long way.
So before you grab a chisel orcall up your neighbor's
handyman, take a minute toassess how big is the hollow
area.
If you're not sure or if morethan a few tiles are affected,
bring in a tile pro.
It's always better to get anexpert's eyes on it so you're
(08:35):
not sticking another band-aid ona bigger wound.
Mike (08:38):
Yeah, and when it comes to
materials, don't just grab
whatever's at the hardwarestore.
Epoxy injections are great forfilling small voids.
Just make sure it's compatiblewith your tile and substrate.
If you've got to rebond orreplace a tile, specialized
mortars or thin sets can makeall the difference.
You want long-term strength,not just a quick patch.
Abby (08:55):
And if you've got movement
in the floor or see cracks
spreading, you have to addressthose structural problems too.
Otherwise, those hollow tileswill just keep coming back.
Sometimes it's about fixing theroute, like reinforcing a
joist, leveling a subfloor, oradding movement joints, so your
repairs actually last.
Think big picture, not just thequick fix.
Mike (09:18):
Completely agree.
It's all about a comprehensiveplan.
Even if it means biting thebullet for a more involved
repair, it sets you up fordecades of worry-free tile.
Address those underlyingissues, use the right adhesive,
and your floors will thank you.
Abby (09:31):
Well, that about wraps it
for today's hollow tile saga.
If your tiles start talkingback when you walk across them,
don't just cross your fingers,tap test, and take action.
Anything else before we call ita wrap, Mike?
Mike (09:41):
Just remember, folks, a
hollow sound isn't the end of
the world, but it's notsomething to ignore either.
Take care of your floors andthey'll take care of you.
We'll be back soon with anotherepisode, maybe diving deeper
into repair methods or the nextbig tile trend.
Abby, thanks for keeping itreal, as always.
Abby (09:57):
Always a pleasure, Mike.
Thanks to everyone for tuningin, and don't be shy.
Send us your hollow tilestories or questions for future
episodes.
Take care, and we'll see younext time.
BELKY (10:07):
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