Beyond the Lamp: A Pixar Deep Dive

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Be inspired to do things differently.
Hey everyone, welcome back to the show.
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of Hollywood. I'm Dylan.
Oh my God. Wow.
I this is where the mic switching came.
It's already killing us. Sorry about it.

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Jesse was supposed to give the intro into what this episode's
going to be about, but I guess I'll do it.
Last episode we went into or into that one theme that not a
lot of people are comfortable with, so we thought we'd pull it
back and do PG today. It's going to be all about

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Pixar, your childhood movies, the movies you grew up with or
the ones that you discovered late and wished you would have
grown up with them because person honestly, they're amazing
movies. And as a little tidbit for this
episode, we're going to have a syns log.
Every time any of one one of us curses, I will put a tally mark.

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So if you see a random cut, thatwas probably one of us messing
up getting a tally. So try to keep track of me as I
hopefully manage to mark every single one.
Well said, well said, and I'm just going to say it right now
for the chat listening. I was just simply distracted
because this is now episode 14 and we have two mics in the and

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therefore I am just shocked and awed at our new in studio setup.
And that's why it took me a while to recollect my thoughts
and get it down. But thank you cast for breaking
it down and saying that tonight what we're going to be talking
about. That's right, ladies and
gentlemen, freaking Pixar. The reason for the sin counter

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is because we want to try and keep this PG, keep it family
friendly. That way you can sit down,
listen to this, listen to this with your kids if you so desire,
because I don't recommend it. I think all of us, in some
unique way, have a special connection to Pixar.
Yeah, so this goes out to all you single baby Mamas out there.

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I take that back. But see, I just want this
episode to be as family friendly.
Wholesome. Wholesome as possible.
If I speak out of pocket, the cast will give me the cent for
it, but I hope to make it through the next 2 1/2 hours
without, you know, saying something that I shouldn't say.

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Agreed, because I think if anybody is most likely to crack
first it's going to be me. Definitely Dylan or me, but
we'll see. So how was how was your guys
weekend? What did you guys do this
weekend? I went swimming.
Oh, nice. Yeah, I.
Don't remember. That's pretty much all I did.
I went swimming and I finished watching the Mission Impossible

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franchise, which I know I mentioned a couple episodes ago.
Oh my God, dude, those, they're so good.
The Mission Impossible movies are so good dude.
I pretty much love all of them except for the second one.
I think that's the only real dudin the franchise.
But as I was watching these movies, I have to say.

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I I. Alluded to it a couple episodes
ago, but I think Tom Cruise is actually one of my favorite
actors. He has really grown on me.
This is a very specific opinion,but I think in terms of
franchises that have more than three entries, I don't think it
gets any better than Mission Impossible.

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I think it is the gold standard of blockbuster filmmaking in
modern Hollywood. Over Fast and Furious.
I'm going to say so. Over Mad Max.
Mad Max. It's a very uneven franchise.
He. Said more than 3 entries.
Mad Max has the first trilogy, Fury Road and Furiosa.

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Boom, you're. Right, that's 5.
Check me atheist. Interesting, I haven't seen the
Mission Impossible movies like that.
I think I saw that the first oneyears ago when I was a little
kid. Hadn't seen the newest one or
the second one so I can't say anything more to that.

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They are really good. I I think they're worth the
investment in time, but. How would you compare to Snow
White and like the animation? Used, well the.
CGI. With the CGI, That's what's so
beautiful about Mission Impossible is they try to do as
much practical stunt work as they can.
Mission Impossible Rogue Nation,in my opinion, has the single

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best motorcycle chase scene I'veever seen.
And part of that is because it seems like the director actually
knows how motorcycles work in movies.
It seems like nobody knows how to ride, but I think Christopher
McCrory actually understands howto ride a motorcycle.

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And it's just I I loved every single minute I spent watching
the Mission Impossible movies. Even the second one, which I
just said I don't like, I still had fun because it just they
don't make those kind of movies anymore, right?
No, they don't. So would you say that Mission

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Impossible is the antithesis to Pixar movies and everything they
stand for? I would not say that I think
Pixar stands for something much different, but but equally as
valuable. Equally as valuable.
Practical effects in an animatedmovie I have.
To see that, exactly where are the practical effects in Pixar?
Unfortunately, there are none, although you could make the

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argument that Finding Nemo does play out as a quasi documentary
in terms of how it's presented to the audience.
OK, I didn't know we're I didn'tknow we're going to jump in to
find Nemo, but let's jump in to find.
Nemo Well, I'm just playing devil's advocate here at this
point. Well.
We were talking about swimming and jumping into.

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Fair enough, the water. Yeah.
OK this. Is dive right in?
I got plenty of chlorine flowingthrough my veins right now,
ladies. And gentlemen, please do not
drink chlorine and have it flowing through your veins.
OK, I didn't drink the pool water.
I just spent a lot of time in the pool and and I come out

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smelling like chlorine, which I find to be a really pleasant
experience actually. No comment.
OK, but he doesn't. Want because he doesn't want
another mark. I think you're you're, you're
you're toeing line there. You.

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You. But seriously, Pixar?
Pixar all right. What an amazing studio.
Very amazing studio which I didn't know how many movies they
had put out until yeah them all out.
They have a quite the extensive filmography or 8.

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Or something I've seen. I've seen most of these and but
seeing it written out is something else.
To date, I have seen every Pixarfilm, and five years ago, during
the pandemic, I made two YouTubevideos where I ranked the Pixar
filmography at the time. You should go check that out.

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youtube.com back slash at Nightfall Films.
I think I provided some insightful stuff about some of
those movies, but the reason I actually bring that up is
because I think my opinion on some of those has actually
changed. Yeah, it's.
Interesting. Why would you do that?
Aren't aren't you Youtubers supposed to just have one
opinion and never change your mind ever again?

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Well, here's the thing. That's ridiculous.
Ladies and gentlemen, kids, boysand girls.
I'm not like most Youtubers. That was good.
That was good. I'm not like most Youtubers.

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Yeah, I I allow my opinions to evolve over time because I
realized that human beings are not static.
This guy studies Darwin illusionary theory.
He knows. Yeah.
But anyways, so you can't distract it, but you want to
talk about big star ladies and gentlemen, and fun fact, they

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were founded by. Steve Jobs and Ed Catmull.
Steve. Jobs, these Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs. Just gave him a lot of money.
But he was, he was their primaryinvestor.
Yeah, the. Other dude though that he.
Met Ed Catmull. He was.
He was the creative brainchild behind Yeah.
Pixar Studios, I think they were, we were talking about this

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before the pod. They were a subdivision of
Lucasfilms, so they actually worked on like stuff in Star
Wars and stuff like that. Yes.
They were and and until eventually they spun off and
they became their own studio in 1986.
Yeah, there's an interesting story behind that, actually.
I'll mention it very briefly because I feel like I could

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really go on about this. In the late 80s, there was a
Disney executive who was really interested in what Pixar was
doing, Bob Iger. No, it wasn't Bob Iger with
their CG animation. He saw the potential for it
because at the time at Disney when Michael Eisner first took

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over as CEO, animation was on the brink of shutting down.
Which I know is really hard to believe because Disney is known
for their animation, but they were in a bad state when Eisner
first arrived and the animated films were just a very labor
intensive process. It took several years to make
these things and there was a young Disney executive.

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I could be getting the details of this wrong, but I know the
premise of the story is correct.I think his name was Dick Cook.
He saw the potential for Pixar'stechnology to utilize it to make
animated films. That was when they were still a
subdivision of Lucasfilm, and hetried to facilitate the

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purchasing of that technology asearly as 198485.
But Michael Eisner was not interested in that.
So right this, the Disney Pixar relationship runs a lot deeper
than most people even know, right?
I. I didn't know.
That yeah, I just. Know that I know that Disney and

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fire Pixar and looking at this list Pixar a lot of movies out
since the Disney acquisition yeah, but we can start like
running from the top like they started off with the the the hit
classic. Toy Story and what a way to
start as your first movie. An instant classic.
Honestly. Yeah.

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Toy Story. Toy Story is an instant classic,
I think. Maybe not an instant classic,
but it's a classic now. I think it was an instant
classic. It was seen as revolutionary
when it was first released. Not only was it the first
computer generated animated film, but it was completely
revolutionary in terms of what it was able to do with its

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characters. Because we'll get into this
later in the episode, but Toy Story really is the model for
everything that Pixar did movingforward in the sense that Pixar
likes to take these quirky ideaslike talking living toys, but
package them in a way that is told with so much human emotion

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that it resonates not just with kids, but with adults.
And I think that is the primary distinction between Pixar and
Disney animation is that Pixar has more universal appeal in
terms of their themes. Whereas I would say animated
Disney films are more esoteric in nature.

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They they have more of a a naturalistic feel to them.
Whereas I think Pixar is much more about the messaging and the
emotion. Disney is more about the magic
and just trying to create the the whimsy, the setting.
Right hot take. Pixar makes animated films.

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Disney makes animated movies. That's a really hot take.
I would disagree with that because to me that tells me you
haven't recently watched Pinocchio, Beauty and the Beast,
Aladdin, Sleeping Beauty. I would even argue Moana.
I think that no, no, no. You're trying to get me on the

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sin counter, aren't you? No, I am not talking about the
live action films. I think given it a few years, I
think Moana will be seen as a classic I thought.
It already was. I thought it already was seen as
a. Classic.
I think it's a classic. I love that movie.
It was. A great movie.
I haven't seen the second one though.

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Don't. That let me tell you this, I
love the first movie so much that when I watched the second
one it actually hurt me. Is it the?
That's how I feel about Joker too.
Yeah, that's what that's what itwas like for me actually.
That's. Exactly how I thought about
Joker too. Yeah, broke my mother freaking

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heart. It sucked to say the least.
Honestly, it felt like a movie that didn't need a sequel.
But I don't think it did. There are some movies where
you're, I don't think that has ever been an issue with.
Well, maybe it's slightly. With Pixar, they make amazing
movies that feel like they don'tneed a sequel.

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Then you get a sequel and you'regrateful for it.
I think that's debatable. Oh yeah, I think that's
debatable. I'm looking at some examples and
well, I'm honestly just staring at Toy Story right now.
Zooming in on that one. Toy Story 2, Toy Story 3, and
then I see Toy Story 4. Well.
And I haven't seen inside out two.

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Unfortunately, Jesse wanted to talk about the history of Pixar,
so I think it makes more sense to start with the golden age of
Pixar, which is Toy Story in 1995 all the way to Cars in
2006. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
Like when they struck lightning in a.
Bar, Yeah. Basically every single time for

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these. Movies.
Yeah, exactly. A Bug Slide Fire Toy Story 2
Fire Monsters Inc fire Finding Nemo Water, The Incredibles Fire
Cars Fuego. I agree.
I think that is one of the best initial runs by a studio maybe

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in the history of Hollywood. Yeah, I, I would, I because I
really can't think of another studio, live action or animated
that maintained such a consistent level of Excellency
for almost actually for over 10 years and.
You know, it's been almost 30 years and you can go back and

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watch. These movies, Oh, I'm I was
talking about the initial run ofToy Story 2 Cars.
Toy Story What? Toy Story.
OK, I know. But it's been 30 years since Toy
Story. Yeah.
Any of these movies from the golden age you can go back and
still enjoy. Them, of course.
Because there are some movies where you may have enjoyed as a
child, but as an adult you don'tenjoy it as much.
I don't think that's the case for the golden age of Pixar.

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I still enjoy them very much. Yeah.
Yeah, if anything, the only movie that might have that
might. You don't just kind of age
poorly would be Toy Story, if only because, and this is not
even my original point, this is Castor's original point that I
am stealing. But kids don't play with toys
anymore. So like watching Toy Story,

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they're going to be like, what are these inanimate objects?
I don't care about this. Where's my iPad?
I disagree. I disagree because I think I
think Toy Story is genuinely timeless because it's not really
about the toys. Of course, that's the framing
device. It's about friendship, it's

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about belonging. It's about honestly learning
that there is room for enough love for everyone.
I think that is the lesson of Toy Story.
I think that transcends. I understand what you're saying
though, because I do think part of the magic of Toy Story for
us. I know for me, this is the first

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time I watched Toy Story. The one thing that really stood
out to me was just the perspective of the movie,
because obviously we see everything through the eyes of
Woody and Buzz and all these guys, and as a result,
everything just feels huge, which makes our mundane, normal
world feel magical. Every single thing in Toy Story

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to me, still evokes that sense of wonder, which is why the Toy
Story world in Kingdom Hearts 3,one of the.
Best fancy ever played it. But I have a question.
Did did because we were kids when we watched this.
Did you ever go to your toys andwonder if they could talk?

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Yes, obviously, all the time, yes.
Toy Story came on 1994. 95. 95 That's the year after I was
born, but. You wrote it wrong.
So I I I would not have watched Toy Story as in theaters.
I would have watched it like, you know, in the early 2000s
that and like that I could remember.

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So I was still playing with my toys back then.
So yeah, laughed like watching Toy Story.
Toy Story 2O No, yeah, I was with my action figures just
going Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah. Making them fight each other.
You know that. That's what kids my age back in
the day did. Was the boy with the Bullying's
Toy Story 1? Sid, Sid.
I wasn't sick. I I didn't destroy my toys.

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I destroyed my sister's Barbies.Though I don't think that I
watched Toy Story for the first time in the early 2000s.
But I have a really good story about Toy Story.
So I was one when Toy Story cameout and my mom bought the VHS
basically knowing nothing about it.

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She'd never seen it before. She'd only seen the trailers,
but she bought it, obviously with the intention that someday
I would have the attention span to sit down and watch the movie.
The first time I watched Toy Story, she watched it with me.
That was that was it. She loved it.
And I just really like, I reallylike this, this story because

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it, it shows the power of not just Pixar, but storytelling in
general. The first time I saw Toy Story,
even though it wasn't in the theater, was with my mom.
And it left a lasting impressionon both of us.
Even my dad loves Toy Story. Damn.
I don't. Think I've ever met.

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I don't think I've ever met anyone that doesn't like Toy
Story. I've met people who don't like
Toy Story 4. Really.
I'm not one of those people because like, I'm thinking about
it. You know what, I'm OK with it.
I would have to be with it because you know, Toy Story 5 is
coming out. It's a very well made movie.

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That's what I will say about ToyStory 4.
It is technically a very well made movie.
It's very pretty in terms of itsanimation.
All the the voice work is, I think stellar.
I have my issues with it but I won't get into that right now
right because. We're talking about the the
Golden Age. Yes, the golden age which?

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Ironically, like the golden age of Pixar, it kind of came out
around the same time the golden age of Disney was still going
on. Because the golden age of Disney
like started like in the 80s ish.
Well, technically the golden Ageof Disney animation started with
Snow White, so you're. Not.
Gonna be like no, no, no, no, nono no.

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Let me explain. I'm an amateur Disney historian.
The periods of Disney animation are the Golden Age, the wartime
era, the Silver Age, the Dark Age, the Renaissance, the post
Renaissance, the revival, and whatever we are in right now
because it is not the revival anymore.

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The revival started with the release of Princess and the Frog
in 2009. I personally would say that it
ended with, yeah, probably honestly, because I don't think
anything that came out after that reached the heights of
Moana. I think I enjoyed Ralph Breaks

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the Internet for what it was, but I don't think it was
anything spectacular. I don't think Frozen 2 was very
good. I was very soft on it when it
came out, but as time has gone on, I've soured on that.
Strange World is a disaster. That movie is terrible.
I think one of the worst animated Disney movies I've ever

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seen in Kanto. That had to have been a fluke.
I'm still trying to figure out who made in Kanto because that
movie is phenomenal. I'm wondering where did these
people go because ever since then dud.
So what? I'm what I it's not that I
disagree with you. I understand what you're saying.
You're making the argument that the golden age of Pixar started

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in the middle of the Disney Renaissance, which is what most
people, especially our age, remember because they grew up
with The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, The Lion King, Tarzan,
etcetera. I think that's what you're
trying to say. Yes, yes, yes, it was a great
age. It was.
A It was a great time for us all.
I mean, look at all the stuff wethat came out when we were kids.

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Yeah, I agree. We were very, very lucky to grow
up during the time that we did. Yeah.
Specifically, I, I just want to stick on Toy Story a bit longer
just because like we grew up on Toy Story, so when it came out
like Toy Story 3, I think it came out what, 1010?
11, 2010 We. Were also in high school so it
was like well this movie was basically made for us

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millennials and like probably like the older generations and
newer generations, but specifically Toy Story 3 for
like just the way aged up Andy the titular character that in
some sense we could have it could have been a projection of
all of us like hey you're Andy in the film these are your toys
they're like waking up and have.Live, yeah.

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And then you see Toy Story 3 like, hey, Andy's going to
college, like he's leaving back in our in our formative years,
like hey, we're. We were exactly yes.
So I just think that the first like 3 movies of Toy Story.
Solid, solid trilogy. I think you could make the
argument that Toy Story is the second best trilogy in cinematic

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history after Lord of the Rings.Can you name me a trilogy that
is more consistent other than LOTR?
That is a great question. Because it's definitely not The
Dark Knight trilogy. It's definitely not any of the
Star Wars trilogies. Evil Dead?

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No. This is a serious opinion here
question. On that, like, hold on, I'm
gonna think about that. But that's a like, well, whoever
is gonna compete with the Toy Story trilogy, they're gonna
come in like. They have their work cut out for
them, yeah. That's a great question.

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I'm just sit on that and think about that before I get back to
you. OK, we'll circle back.
So let me ask you this. What do you think of A Bug's
Life? Because I think as time has gone
on and Pixar has become this highly revered, more expansive
studio, I think Bug's Life is the one movie from this
particular era that tends to getforgotten.

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And I think that's a shame. I really do.
I think A Bug's Life is a good movie.
I think so too. I also think I compare a lot
which came out around the. Same time A Bug's Life is
better. Yeah, There's a great story
behind that. So the reason those two movies
are so similar and they came outat the same time is because
Jeffrey Katzenberg, who was previously the head of Walt

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Disney Studios when Michael Eisner first arrived, he left in
1994 and started Dream Works with Steven Spielberg and David
Geffen. And he knew about Pixar's plan
to make A Bug's Life. So that is why Ants was made.
That's also why Shark Tale was released very close to Finding

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Nemo. And that's also why Lord
Farquaad looks a lot like Michael Eisner and Shrek.
It is because Jeffrey Katzenbergbasically formed a studio purely
out of spite to compete against Disney and Pixar.
That's crazy. Yeah.
So. You're saying that DreamWorks?

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There has been a long standing rivalry between DreamWorks and
Disney since the mid 90s you know.
What I'm all about it. We need, we need more
competition. Yeah, I think recently that
rivalry has been reignited because I think Puss in Boots,
The Last Wish is everything thatWish wanted to be but really

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failed to be, right? I can.
See that? Yeah.
'Cause like DreamWorks, like they have come out with
somebody. Some really good come.
On the 1st Shrek one and two arereally good movies.
Fire. We don't talk about Shrek three
and four, Shrek 1 and 2. Underappreciated DreamWorks
movie for me. Over the Hedge.

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I have a soft spot for that movie.
I don't know why that's a freaking movie.
It is I. Don't know why but I love that.
Movie there is, right? There's just something about
Bruce Willis voicing a raccoon that feels right.
I don't know. What it is I?
Just cast. You are the raccoon.
You have ADHD just like the raccoon.
I almost I also love the same. Counter.

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That he has a golf bag full of random human items that he uses
in the most creative way imaginable.
I, I don't know, I like Over theHedge.
I. Don't know I it's just one of my
favorite movies. Just whenever someone mentions
it I put a smile on my face. I don't know why I love it, but
I love it. It's a fun movie, it is.

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Very fun movie. Yeah.
It's like you, you can just sit back and enjoy it.
You know, I might watch that. Yeah, it's you know what?
Me too, right after all right though, like I'm gonna.
And and who and who was the one that made what studio made over
the hedge? That was DreamWorks.
Yeah. Here's my hot take about A bug's
life. I think A Bug's life is

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basically 7 samurai, and if you look at it in that context, no,
no, no, think think. Think of Bug's Life as Seven
Samurai and tell me it's not a masterpiece.
It's 7 Samurai for kids. That's wow, that's I'm not at
the clip. This that's that's the one.

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Yeah, that is a phenomenal take.I I I can't disagree with.
That I came for the heater guys.Hold on.
Like 7. Like I I I have not seen Seven
Samurai yet. I've.
Seen the Why are? You.
No, because I've seen, I've seenthe magnificent.
Samurai the basic, which I know is yes, the Seven Samurai the
basic premise and themes of Seven Samurai in A Bug's Life.

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It's just packaged and told in away.
For children, yeah. OK, You know what?
That. Wow.
I think when you view it throughthat lens, a bug's life, yeah,
is really cool. A bug?
A Bug's Life might just be Pixar's best movie.
I'm standing on that. I'm business.

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Tough salad just because Pixar has a Really.
High bar they do like. Even their bad movies are better
than some studios best movies. I agree, yeah.
Fair. The bar is so I think that's why
some movies fall short and why people say they're so bad.
Just because the bar is so high that when they can't reach it or

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they just fall a little short ofit, people automatically hate
it. But when you actually just look
at it and just watch it without all this bias and everything and
forget about the bar, all their movies are pretty great.
You know what, Jesse? Yeah, I might kind of agree with

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you about Disney and Pixar. What I will say is I think
Pixar's floor is higher than Disney's floor.
I don't think Pixar has ever made a movie as bad as Chicken
Little. I don't think that's ever
happened. I.
Forgot that. Was even the worst Pixar movie.
I don't think you can say that'sas bad as Chicken Little.

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That's not possible. No shot, you're lying.
You're trolling me. Come.
On it's just a. It's a dumb fun.
Movie, you know, Please tell me you're joking.
This guy. OK, I'm, I'm gonna let me just
get this out of the way. This really brief statement.
Shout out to Jacob because you know how I feel about this.

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I hate almost every post renaissance Disney film with the
exception of Bolt. I think Meet the Robinsons is is
pretty good. You kind of changed my mind
about that movie. But I cannot stand those post
renaissance Disney films like people defend Atlantis and
Treasure Planet to the death. Both of those are terrible

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mediocre movies. Hold.
On hold. On hold, on, hold on.
Those are both decent. Those both suck.
Treasure. Planet.
I love that. Movie.
No, I think it's not good. I will no.
I would die on the hill that says like yo the treasure planet
is an. Underrated.
OK, ladies and gentlemen, here we go. 1010 episodes down the
line, we're going to talk about this.

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Yeah. Why?
Why? Treasure Planet isn't
underrated. No, Why?
It's an insult to Disney's legacy.
Sponsored by the Nobody. 'S the best thing it did was
utilize the cap system of animation.
Animation Fire. Story Fire.
Music. Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.

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I don't know about. Music.
Selection. The best?
That's great, no? Just in the sense that.
I don't remember and and seriously, hot take Emperor's
New Groove. I don't like it.
OK. I really do not like those post
renaissance movies. I'm serious.
I've been on. The mic saying that Dylan hates

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all. Animation.
Except I don't though he comes on the.
Pod and defends himself, but here I am trying to speak the
truth. Here I am, ladies and gentlemen,
boys and girls, I'm just trying to give you good taste.
That's all I'm trying to do. We'll.
Have a poll to see if you if youthe audience agrees or not.

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I'm not saying don't watch Treasure Planet or Atlantis or
any of the post renaissance Disney movies.
Of course you should watch them.I'm just saying think critically
about them and. Once you're like finished things
greatly about them, then you understand why Treasure Planet
is an underrated gem. The best movie from the post

(32:31):
renaissance is Bolt and it's noteven close.
And it's not just because I lovedogs.
That's a big reason. See, I am not a Disney adult and
I don't know these terms so I'llhave to look them up to make my
counter argument with this. You know, revival and post
renaissance and blah blah blah blah blah.
But Treasure Planet? So do I hate animation or am IA

(32:53):
Disney adult Which one boat it's?
Not mutually expensive. Thank you.
Yeah, both. Oh boy, you corporate.
Disney show, OH. My God, we're going back to
2019, aren't we? Damn, that's only OK.
That was. Only.
Six years ago. It's fine.
Fair enough. OK.

(33:15):
We got off to Pixar track a little bit.
We're going to bring it back. Bring it back.
You. You were.
How do we feel? About that.
Film. I love Monsters Inc.
I do too. I think the best thing about
Monsters Inc is the sheer creativity of its premise.
Because if you really think about this idea of it's not just
the world of the monsters itselfthat Mike and Sully inhabit.

(33:39):
It is the fact that they can go through all these doorways and
see so many different environments, so many different
locales, locations, countries, that I think that's awesome.
Monsters Inc is a really creative movie and I think it
has some of the best Pixar vocalperformances.
I mean, who is going to forget John Goodman is Sully?

(34:01):
I don't think anybody can ever forget that the first time they
saw it. Billy Crystal is Mike Wazowski.
Monsters Inc is an amazing movie.
It's so hard to rank these golden age Pixar films because
they're all so good. Yes, I you know what?
I probably wouldn't be able to rank these movies.
I the only thing I will say is The Incredibles is #1 no.

(34:24):
I would say above because you know.
Seven Samurai if. You if you didn't know, but if I
didn't know. Tell me more about that.
This is. Just my bias opinion but I, I
think I it's it's really tough but I don't know I just love the
incredibles way too much to not put as #1 but dude it would be
so close because I also love, I do love a A bug's life.

(34:47):
I love them more than ants. Honestly.
Ants sucks. Toy Story, I loved it too, but
but then then again, there's Monsters Inc and you know what
you think about it because growing.
Up Monsters Inc is a great movie.
These are all great movies. Yes.
I brought up the scariness because when you know, when
you're kids, you would always think there's a monster under
your bed. I never thought that and.

(35:08):
That brought that premise and toI feel like for kids who did
believe in that, they made it into a fun little thing where
you didn't have to be scared anymore.
That's a really good perspectivebecause I honestly, I'm not
saying this to try and sound tough.
I was never concerned. No.
I was too busy staring into the existential void even as a
child. Yeah, no.

(35:29):
The monsters were not under his bed, they were in his.
Head exactly. We need to get Jesse back in the
booth. I'm already.
Here. We're in the studio but not in
the booth. That's true.
I'm retired. As I.
Can me too it? Needs.
To be at the paradox. Me too.
The paradox key. He brings the energy.
That's why we like to do it. Yeah, ladies.

(35:51):
And Gentlemen, the Paradox may or may not be feature an episode
in the. Future in the future, yes, he is
basically guaranteed, but that's.
Going to be a funny. App.
I can't wait till he sets his catch.
He's just, he's just a chill guy.
Who do you think you are? What I will say about these

(36:12):
Golden Age films, since we're kind of going more or less in
chronological order, we skip ToyStory too, though I know I'm
going to circle back to. Talking.
About both of them. Though, Yeah.
OK. What do you think about Finding
Nemo? I didn't care much for that
film. No way, you know.
Why? I think because I was
overexposed to it as a kid. OK, you.

(36:32):
Know, like, in elementary school, sometimes your teachers
would, like, play a movie, Yeah,or whatever.
Finding Nemo was overplayed for me.
Like interesting. Whatever grade that was in
second grade or whatever. Grade.
I think we were in 3rd. It came out in 2003.
Yeah, like I saw it in theaters and in like in the in the class.
It was just too much exposure for me that I'm like, I, I, I
hate. OK, see, I hate these Vicious.

(36:55):
OK, I don't disagree with the Dory take.
I will say Finding Nemo. I really like that movie because
I really like movies that are set around or take place under
sea. I just like movies where you
were near the water. So you were a fan of the
SpongeBob movie that came out back?
Until no, no, not at all. I was.

(37:17):
Fake fan. No, no.
Liking underwater noise, my tushy I see.
Everything. Holy fork this is going to be
hard. SpongeBob was never great.
My mom forbid me from watching SpongeBob.
That's funny. My mom forbid forbade me from

(37:37):
watching anime. She also forbade me from
watching Teletubbies. No, just.
Adult Swim, You know, because you know Adult Swim.
Dude, tell it to me. This was scary.
I don't like crying baby son, that was.
Just my mom saw no value in that, so she absolutely refused.
I can't say the desire was there, but I just think it's
funny. Yeah.

(37:58):
Yeah, That's funny. Yeah.
What about Barney? Oh, my mom was big on Barney.
The green grass grows all around.
Barney had some bangers. I'm just saying we need to be
honest. I think I was fine with but I I
love looking at. Barney.

(38:18):
My sister loved Barney. No, I couldn't get behind those
voices. Me neither, really.
Grating Sesame. No.
I I I grew up at Sesame Street. That interesting.
It really does explains the cultural difference between
Jessie and I and you, the one that I just made-up right now.
What cultural difference? I think it just got you

(38:43):
artistic. I did.
I I I'm painting you in a more abstract light, yeah.
Artistically, yeah. And those who know that joke
know the joke. I.
Don't think Dylan knows that joke.
I probably don't. I'll turn.
It. Afterwards.
So Finding Nemo, you don't really like it?
I really like Finding Nemo. I think Finding Nemo has a good

(39:04):
message, and again, I think it just continues to show the
evolution of the technology withcomputer generated animation.
I really like Finding Nemo. Yeah.
Finding Nemo again, I think it'sa really clever movie.
One of the things I like most about Finding Nemo is how the

(39:24):
sharks treat not eating fish like a A.
That's really small thing, but Ithink it's clever.
It's funny. Come on.
And. You have to bring.
Your own? Yeah, your buddy.
The Sharks ate their buddy. And then the the other one that
reveals his, he's shaking because he's so scared.

(39:46):
Yeah, dude, I, I. Love.
It it was. It was so unexpected.
It was it was I the Stoner turtle.
And honestly, no, that's a good point.
Cuckoo, cuckoo man. But what I was going to bring up
is the tank crew. I never knew that I needed

(40:07):
Willem Dafoe to voice a fish with a busted up fin.
That was Willem until I watched Finding Nemo it.
Did not sound like Willem. Dafoe.
Yes, he voices Gil. I know.
That wow. OK.
I'm changing his mind in real time.
Well, no, I think. Well, no, that was pretty

(40:28):
definitive. Yeah, no, I'm I think I would
need some time, like more years because I I have I haven't even
seen Finding Dory just because Ihave how much I'll.
Skip it. Yeah, so.
So if I can't even rewatch Finding Nemo right now, I'm
like, I'm not. Ready.
OK, fair enough. Have a nice little flow.
Yeah, no, I, I think Finding Nemo like the story.

(40:52):
Yeah, there the voices flow likeit's a decent good story, but
I'm just not a fan of it just because, yeah, it just wasn't
for. Me, I mean, I understand the
issue with being overexposed to something.
I guess I just didn't have that experience.
My teachers were considerably less fun in elementary school.

(41:14):
I I enjoy Finding Nemo. I I think it's a great movie.
I think it is one of the the definitive Pixar movies.
Honestly. And honestly, forget it.
The Incredibles. I could sit here and talk about
The Incredibles for an hour alone.
I think The Incredibles is one of the best animated films ever

(41:37):
made. It is revolutionary.
It is one of the best superhero films ever made.
It is the best Fantastic Four film ever made inadvertently,
and I think it is the crowning achievement of Pixar.
Even after all these years, all of the things that they have
done, all that they have accomplished, The Incredibles is
still the shining achievement ofPixar.

(42:00):
He loves superheroes that I mean, and the The Incredibles
like it it, it's just a smart movie too, like the the
subversions pacing, the pacing, yes, the the commentary about
superheroes within the movie, like it's just a really great
film. The intro was perfect.
But I love I just, I rewatched the Incredibles earlier last

(42:24):
year 'cause I I had not seen theIncredibles 2.
So I watched the Incredibles so I could watch the Incredibles 2.
And bro, tell me why the tax scene in The Incredibles was so
freaking relatable. The one scene the.
Tax scene the the very in the inthe beginning of the movie or

(42:45):
after his press. Where where the the old woman
is, is trying to file an insurance claim with Bob.
Yeah. And then we or let me just get
to this point because I think no, I didn't see this movie last
year. I think I saw it this year
because I saw this movie around the time with like that whole
Luigi thing was happening, that whole insurance, but I saw it

(43:08):
around that time. So it's like, oh, wow, like this
is still relevant today, like the way the insurance companies
work and how you really got to fight tooth and nail just to get
what you already pay for. And like the that Bob broke it
down, like, hey, you do this, you do this, you follow this.
I'm sorry, man, you can't get your money.
Do this, do this, do this and you're golden.

(43:28):
Pretend to be upset. Like, like as a kid I thought
that was funny, but as an adult watching it, I was like, yo,
this is, this is too real. And cool fact, the voice actor
for Bob's Boss and The Incredibles is the same actor as
Principal Mazer in A Goofy Movie.

(43:48):
Oh wow. Yeah.
Fun fact. Honestly, I don't remember what
Principal Mazer sounded like in A Goofy Movie, but yeah,
Incredibles. It's one of those movies where
you that like that one, that onescene.
I still remember it. Yeah, as a kid, I didn't really
understand it, but the way they framed it, the way they shot it,
the pacing and everything, you could tell even as a kid you can

(44:10):
understand that this this was bad.
This was what's happening. The boss is a bad person.
And then you watch it again as an adult and you're like, and
you realize it that much more. And you just like, wow, this is
a kids movie. Yeah, and, and it's smart
because there are, there are like I like kids movies that can
have like adult themes or adult humor thrown into them.

(44:33):
I think the Incredibles had somemy easiest example whenever I
talk about this is Shrek becauselike there is it's a it's a kids
film, but there is some clear like adult.
Well, Shrek was created specifically with the intent of
being the antithesis to Disney animation.
And like they did a great job with first two movies I.
Thought they were aiming for teens with Shrek.

(44:54):
No, they spec. I when I tell you they made
DreamWorks to spite Disney, I mean they formed that studio to
spite Disney. There's a reason Shrek takes aim
at the fairy tale tropes. Disneyland itself.
Farquaad looks like Eisner. The whole thing is, I don't know

(45:14):
Eisner, yes. Well obviously they messed with
the proportions to make fun of him, but the general facial
features, yes. But that's why The Incredibles
is a great film. It is a great film the.
Incredibles one fantastic film. Amazing.
I don't feel the same way about the sequel.
He's wrong. First one.

(45:35):
You're all wrong, beautiful. Phenomenal.
And then we get cars that you'reafter the same the the year that
cars came out was the year that Disney merged with or.
Bought. They bought Pixar for $6
billion, Yeah. But I'm pretty sure like Cars
was already in the work, so I'm gonna consider it as a Pixar
golden. Age film.
Yes, yes, it was kind of a passion project of John

(45:57):
Lasseter, believe it or not. I can see.
That you know, cars and I think all but specifically like the
first one just the way that they.
Animate those. Vehicles and like kill them
character and personality. I really like that about Pixar
movies. They'll take these inanimate
objects and, like, really spice them up with personality.

(46:18):
And I just remember like an adult joking in cars where
they're like, there's like some,you know, younger cars like.
Some young oh, the flashing scene.
Like flashing. Like they they, they, they flash
their life. Yeah.
Which is clearly supposed to be like, you know, like a joke.
Yeah. When in flashing like the tops
off, I thought that was like a little cutesy joke that they did

(46:39):
in cars. And I could get like, I like I
said, kids movie adult humor. Yeah.
And I like that. So Cars is an interesting case
for me because I was one of those guys for a long time that
if you ask me about Cars, I would say it's pretty mediocre
and definitely the weakest movieof this Pixar golden age.

(47:02):
But for whatever reason, the past few months I have been
thinking about Cars and I've been, and I've been asking
myself, is Cars good? Because I, I kind of think it
might be. And that's weird because in the

(47:24):
YouTube video I mentioned, I ranked Cars 3 as the highest
Cars movie in the franchise, andI think that was a mistake.
I think if I were to make the video now, I would put the first
Cars first. Yeah, it should.
Be 132. Yeah.
Yeah, nothing wrong with that. And like you said, you're a
human being and you're not like the only YouTube person.

(47:46):
Not so, they just make your apology video and like correct
your mistake. That's not a bad idea.
I kind of like that just as a joke, but actually.
You can just make. That's a good point.
That's a good point. Cars is, like you said, it's a
clever movie. I always thought the sort of
general premise of it was sort of cliche.

(48:08):
The idea that a city boy has to go to the boonies or the
countryside to learn humility and, you know, form real,
meaningful relationships. I always thought that was a
little cliche. But again, kind of what I said
with A Bug's Life, I think it matters how they package this

(48:31):
story and how they deliver it. And for whatever reason, just
lately I've been thinking that Cars is actually a pretty solid
movie for what it is. I mean, I, I don't think it's
bad by any means. I don't think I ever thought it
was bad. Yeah, I'm currently undergoing a
critical re evaluation of Cars and I'll admit a a big part of

(48:51):
that. Maybe because my favorite ride
at Disneyland is Radiator Springs Racers.
Technically ADCA, but still partof the Disneyland Resort.
Not breaking. The Disney adult allegations.
Nope, he he isn't a Disney adultto run.
Through. I don't think so.
I was sorry. When are you going to
Disneyland? Again.
Who said anything about going toDisneyland?

(49:14):
I don't remember that. That's crazy.
You run it back. Yo, Chat, run it back.
But yeah, OK, so Cars is like the last film that Pixar put out
before they got. They got bought out by Disney.
'Cause then they hit us again with this masterpiece
Ratatouille. Yes.
I love ratatouille. That might just be me my my

(49:35):
affection for like, you know, rats.
No, the French. Well, first of all, Sir, screw
you 'cause I can't say what I really want to say, Sir.
How is that? Yo, hold on, Sir, how is that a
sin? That is not a sin Screw.

(49:56):
You. Well, it's.
Not a. Sin as the only Frenchman here.
Allegedly. You want me to pull my ancestry?
What percentage? 22%.
He's allegedly 22% French. I mean I have the ancestry.
To prove it. French, yes, the point is.

(50:16):
Make some 1/4 French. The reason you like Ratatouille
so much is because it was directed by Brad Bird, who also
directed The Incredibles. So.
Andy Dirty Incredibles. Too he did, which is also a
masterpiece. When we get to, we'll get to.

(50:38):
We got someone wrong over here, but sure I.
Love like you know that like self analysis.
Ratatouille though, I think is the ultimate testament to the
artist because despite the fact that Ratatouille, the general
premise is about cooking, ultimately what Ratatouille is

(51:00):
trying to say is that great art can come from anyone.
That's a direct quote from Ego. But the point is, Ratatouille is
a movie that champions the artist and art in general.
It is just told through the medium of cooking.
Yes, I'm not going to disagree with you there.

(51:20):
It's a great film. It is and I I just this one.
I like it, just like the stories, the characters.
I, I love Remy and it's like I am particularly, I, I, I like
characters where they, they struggle with like, you know,
what they're, what society wantsthem to do versus what they want
to do in our, in an artistic endeavour specifically like

(51:44):
those characters. So like the starving artist or
like the artist almost like draw, create or do whatever.
But his dad's like no son good with me.
We're going to be working at that like, you know, at the
restaurant or like, you know, atthe oil rigs or blah, blah,
blah, doing this menial job thathe doesn't want to do.
So for that reason, like Ratatouille, just the story

(52:05):
really speaks to me. Yeah, I understand what you're
saying. I think that's a, I don't want
to say it's a common framing device for movies, but it's
definitely a creative choice that you see.
Yes. Yeah, they make for good
stories, I agree, and I think Ratatouille executes it

(52:25):
beautifully. They.
Do and then we get wall-e, we move up to wall EI.
I'm going to keep it really short.
Wall EI didn't care for it. I've only seen it once and I
think that's it. Yeah, I'll keep it brief too.
First time I watched Wally, I did not like it.
I watched it when I was older. Beautiful.
Basically a visual Symphony. Unfortunately, I haven't watched

(52:47):
Wally. It's one of the few Pixar films
that I haven't watched. Fair enough.
Great talking about Wally guys, but that's hard.
Hitting in depth film analysis, Yes.
We should have had a, We should have had a plane in the
background. No, because then you get
distracted. I'm distracted now.

(53:10):
But whatever whatever didn't said about Wally, I feel the
exact way about up. First time I watched it I was
like I don't care for this Second time, beautiful.
Oh my God, my heart. OK, now it's getting interesting
because we're this is where we diverge.
I think up is carried by the 1st10 minutes of that movie.

(53:31):
Everything after that is pretty forgettable.
I don't know about forgettable, but I don't think anything is as
powerful as the first. Time.
Name one thing that happens up after the 1st 10 minutes.
Me or Jesse because I don't think it's fair if I say either
because either I've recently watched.
It all right easy, the man learns how do I open up his

(53:52):
heart again and like express himself to the world instead of
shutting yourself away after losing his really giving the
beloved. I'm just so proud of the
influence I've had on you for the past few episodes.
So it means I'm I'm turning you into one of us.
So vocabulary. It's because it's because I see

(54:15):
the word hot torn now. It's because you refer to movies
as films. Wait, because I'll film whenever
I talk about Disney, I'm talkingabout Disney movies.
OK, settle down. This isn't Marvel Pixar.
They make Pixar, Pixar make. Films, except for look, it's not
Oh well, you're gonna you're in for it at the end of this

(54:39):
episode. The point is, I don't think up
is bad. I just honestly think the first
10 minutes I think is so indicative of how powerful the
cinematic experience can be. And I also think the first 10
minutes of up that is honestly just picture perfect visual
storytelling. Like if you need to show someone

(55:01):
an example of how you tell a story through a visual medium,
you show them the 1st 10 minutesof up.
That's how good I think the first 10 minutes are.
Unfortunately, I just don't think anything after that,
regardless if the movie has a good message, lives up to it.
I really don't. And I will say though, Up has

(55:23):
some striking imagery. Like I love the whole house
flying with all those balloons, the beautiful frame, beautiful
animation frame. For one thing, the kid is
annoying, right? Well, I think, I mean, I think
the kid is supposed to be annoying just to say the
contrast between like, you know,a grumpy old man.

(55:44):
Fair enough. Low energy, doesn't want to do
anything. And then contrast that with the
kid who, I mean, we've all been kids.
We've all been annoying shit. Yeah, I, I was.
Except for Task because he is the youngest brother so he was
like, you know, a baby and treated well.
Fair enough. Yeah, but like dinner tonight,
we were the experiments. So like we're we're going to be

(56:06):
like rowdy kids. And I think that's what that kid
represents. It's like the youthful rowdiness
compared to like the old. Bitterness.
I see what you're saying. He represents this idealistic,
yeah, optimistic version of viewing the world.
He very much brings the childlike wonder to up, whereas
Carl Frederick Sin brings my perspective.

(56:29):
He's jaded and he just wants to die.
Exactly. Well, OK.
I was not expecting. I think what I what I will say
for is I think that's I'm going to speak for more for myself.
I yeah, I'm drawn to those stories where it's, it's the,
it's an old man and like, you got to take care of it someone

(56:49):
younger. OK.
Logan. I have a question you're.
Going to say The Last of Us. I haven't.
Seen. No.
Have you ever seen Gran Torino? Yes.
Do you like that movie? OK, Yeah.
Yes. OK.
So like and that type of story. I just recently rewatched that
with my mom. I kind of forgot how good that
movie is. Yeah, I.
I remember watching it as a teenager or.

(57:11):
That's a good movie, huh? Like, it's fucking great.
Oh no, you know, But if you're gonna drop an F.
Bomb you might as. Well, drop it for Clint
Eastwood. I should have done the voice.
OK, so I the point is you like this idea of the a grizzled

(57:32):
mentor. You you should.
I don't even want to say you should watch the Last of Us,
just play it. I mean the first season is good,
but the fact that the second season had a 55% drop in
viewership I think is both hilarious but also completely
vindicates my opinion about the second game it.
Also is you know what, if anything, honestly that makes me

(57:54):
want to watch it more just because I, I don't think I've
ever seen anything like that ever.
I mean, can you think of a show that had that big of a drop
between seasons that. Is amazing in its own way.
Like I am more interested in watching that.
For those reasons alone, that's why I like up, but I can
understand why you're not a fan of it.
It's not even that I'm not a fanof it.

(58:15):
I just, like I said, I don't think, Yeah, those first.
OK, You kind of cover Toy Story 3.
I get it. We'll get back to it the.
Bar is really high for Pixar. Yes, and.
Very. Up doesn't reach it.
That doesn't mean that's a bad movie.
That's. Crazy that movie called up.

(58:36):
Doesn't reach the bar that. Picture is that for itself?
And neither of you have seen Brave?
No. Oh, you've seen Brave.
OK. I love it.
OK, so are. We not gonna talk about cars 2
We don't. Talk about cars. 2 Funny story
cars 2 is bad yeah. Yeah, I always, I, I didn't
care. For that, let me just hit this
Cars 2. It doesn't take full advantage
of the spy genre. Mater should not be the main

(58:59):
character and two of Lightning'sraces suck.
So the the whole premise of Carsis that the racing is supposed
to be good. It's not.
Boom, my drop cars 2 sucks. What did I say?
I. Just wanted to get a.
Reaction. Oh, OK.
I was like, what? I was dinging you on sock.

(59:20):
Like what? The French?
Toast is going on. Over here what the fork.
Yeah, I was. I was hoping you would get upset
and then I could Ding you for real.
Cast is out here giving out SIM points like it's freaking
Christmas. Like I erased.
It alright, let's get cast some points.
Here you go. Boom, boom.
Take that. I'm brave Fat cereal so far.
So I actually, I, I wanna watch Brave 'cause I saw like a

(59:43):
YouTube short like earlier this week and I know what movie it
was. So as per usual, I just go to
the comments and see a short. Yeah, I wanna watch.
And there it is. Always without fails.
It's there in the comments like,oh, what's the movie?
What's the movie Brave like? Oh, I didn't know this was
Brave. I'm, I'm, I just mentally added
it to my list. Like I'm gonna watch this.

(01:00:04):
And then we can't, I can't read today.
I'm like, oh, it's a Pixar movie.
I definitely should have watchedthis.
But yeah, I haven't seen it so Ican't speak much to it.
I think it's one of their weakermovies.
It has muddled character arcs. I don't think things are
properly developed in the the general plot of the movie is
just very. I think it's built on a very

(01:00:27):
questionable foundation. I think the most memorable
sequence in Brave is the archeryscene, the one that everybody's
seen. But apart from that, I think the
complete heel turn that Meredith's mom does is just
comes out of nowhere. I think for Brave, one of the
things that because usually withall the other movies, every
character is fleshed out. Like almost every character

(01:00:50):
you're introduced to in Pixar movies, they're they're pretty
fleshed out. They play their role.
But in Brave you have a lot of throwaway characters.
I agree with that. But overall I do enjoy the
movie. It's apparently it's the only
movie that does the Scottish accent correctly.
I. Don't know.
They did go to great lengths to ensure the accuracy of that,

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yeah. Like the one guy that you can't
understand, apparently that is an actual accent.
Well, you wouldn't know, but it was an actual accent.
I was like, oh wow, really? I thought that was just a joke,
but people actually have that kind of type of accent.
But I, I, I like it. I don't think it's, it's
definitely not one of the best Pixar movies, even though I do

(01:01:38):
love it, I enjoy it. I'll rewatch it.
I I don't care. It has a special place in my
heart. I don't know why, but it is
definitely not one of the best or I don't think it would even
reach the middle of Pixar's movies.
But when you look at the list they have, the bar is so high

(01:01:58):
for Pixar and I didn't realize how high it was until we wrote
it out. They have so many good movies
that even being even being called the worst Pixar movie
isn't an insult just because of all the goods the good movies
that they have, it's hard to compete.
Fair enough. So if if outside of the context

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of Brave being a Pixar movie, would you would you say it's a
good movie or? I think it's an OK movie.
Like I said, I I like it. I enjoyed it, but.
I, I think it's, I think it's, Iwas perfectly whelmed watching
it. You were underwhelmed.
Overwhelmed you? Just I was just whelmed.
You're like. Goldilocks.

(01:02:44):
Yeah, whelmed. Yeah.
You know it was also whelmed gold locks and puss and boots.
The last wish I. Made that point pretty clear.
But then after after break we get we get a classic throwback
in Monsters University, which isjust it ties into like a movie

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that came out during the golden age of Pixar ink, but takes us
back in time, which I think is funny because this came out not
around the time the Toy Story 3 came out, but. 2013.
Roughly like, you know, within like 5-4 years around that time.
So we had three years, three years time frame.
So by that time, the audience that was that watched Toy Story,
that would have. Been I was in college.

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Was in college AKA dealing with whatever issues they were
dealing with in Monsters University which I thought was a
neat tie in. I still think Monsters Inc is a
better between the two I think. Oh, that's that's a given.
But I don't think yeah, but Monsters University, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't say it's a bad movie.I think Monsters University is
slightly underrated, I think. I think it's clever.

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I think it has one of the most bold messages for a Pixar film.
I think the idea that sometimes you are not going to be able to
achieve your dreams is a pretty I mean, that's that's a ballsy
message to send in a kids movies, but I admired but.

(01:04:14):
Still. I I admire the the creative
tenacity to go there, yes. When not not many.
Are yes, I I think Monsters you,it's underrated.
I think it has some good aspects.
I mentioned this before we started recording, but the only
thing I really don't like is that it breaks continuity with

(01:04:35):
Monsters Inc because in MonstersInc it is very clear.
They make it very clear that Mike and Sully have been best
friends since the 4th grade and in Monsters U they don't meet
until college. That bothers me.
Honestly, Monsters Inc never felt like it needed a.
Sequel. No.
So no, I don't. Know I guess going into Monsters

(01:04:58):
University I was I'm I'm honestly not a fan of it but but
like I said it's not a bad movie.
It's just not my cup of tea, but.
I was gonna say, it's not a sequel, it's a prequel.
Touché. But not but 22 dense point.
It does break Canyon so that that is like that is that is
like a Ding towards it. But Mosses University like still

(01:05:24):
a solid film. I agree.
And then we get inside out. I think this is the, let's keep
it brief, the shining achievement of this sort of post
Disney merger era just because Ithink Pixar kind of hit a rough
spot with Cars 2 Brave and Monsters you and I think inside

(01:05:47):
Out showed not only do they still have it, but they still
have the capacity to create something truly amazing it.
Was very creative. So that's what I would say.
It is a really creative movie. I think it is one of the most
emotionally resonant Pixar films, which is really saying
something. It is, but I love Inside Out.

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It's probably in my top three. That's crazy.
No, that, that that. You can't see.
That you can't say that like because you know, it's like.
Here he has hard. I think I can say.
That honestly, that's something you have to think about really
hard just because I I on the spot, I don't know if I could
actually maybe OK, hold. On You know What, at the end, at

(01:06:31):
the end of the episode, we're going to name our top three.
Pixar and Amy Poehler as Joy. That's an all time Pixar
performance. That vocal performance, she was
phenomenal. Phenomenal.
Yes, and Jesse hasn't seen it. So Good Dinosaur.
I'll get through this real quick.
I like this movie. A lot of people rag on it.

(01:06:52):
I think it's a sweet movie. I haven't seen it.
I would you recommend it? I would I just have a soft spot
about the whole idea of someone trying to find their way home
and as they do they learn more about themselves and realize
that they are more. Well, see the movie that I would
compare this to is The Land Before Time It.

(01:07:12):
Wasn't a comparison, I was. OK, I think The Land Before Time
is a good movie but I I don't think I could ever watch that
movie again because I just drowned in my own tears.
But I have a soft spot for The Good Dinosaur.
I think it's better than people give it credit for.
But I can also admit, similar towhat you said about Brave, it
just has a place in my heart. I watched it with my dad.

(01:07:33):
Maybe I'm just being sentimental.
I think you just like dinosaurs.I love dinosaurs.
If you didn't have a childhood dinosaur obsession you need to
restart. Is it only?
Our generation. Because like, a lot of people in
our generation love dinosaurs, That's probably what you used to
the franchise, to the Jurassic Yeah Park franchise.

(01:07:53):
Maybe that was what sparked it and it just came into real life.
And honestly, if I see a random dinosaur video on YouTube I'll
click it. This isn't.
Fair enough 10. Times out of 10, I don't care,
I'll click it. It's like, did you know that
these underwater dinosaurs existed?

(01:08:14):
And I'm like, before I could finish reading the title, I'm
just. Like I do now.
I will now like it's like at the40 minute video.
That's fine. I'm not.
I'm in, I'm in it. That's fair.
How do you feel about finding? Dory, mediocre, another movie I
haven't seen. Scattershot, It's mediocre.
It's forgettable. Again, similar to what Cass said

(01:08:36):
about Monsters Inc, Finding Nemodidn't need a sequel.
I think if they were going to make a sequel, they should have
made a sequel about the tank crew, Gill and those fish.
Give me a movie about them that would have been way more
interesting. Jesse has already said it.
Dory, Ellen. The very first time you watch
Finding Nemo, Ellen is kind of arevelation is Dory in terms of

(01:08:56):
the vocal performance. But every time after that, it
just loses a little bit of its luster.
And Finding Dory, I think that problem comes full circle.
The it's sweet at times, but I think Finding Dory feels to me
like a bunch of different ideas that they attempt to edit into
one cohesive story. Yeah, yeah.

(01:09:19):
Yeah, they see it. I'm just like, yeah, no, Now I'm
gonna be honest, that's one of my least favorite Pixar movies.
It was still a solid movie, I'llgive it that, but not one of my
favorites. Definitely on the lower tier for
me, yeah. For sure.
I want to disagree just because you 2 are both saying that Dory

(01:09:40):
is a tad annoying but unfortunately I can't she you.
You were given the just the right amount of her and finding
Nemo I didn't find I didn't findDory annoying in the finding
Nemo. I know Jesse said that he did I
personally I didn't but in Finding Dory that pushed the

(01:10:01):
limit for me. I'm afraid I'm.
Just going to say it right now, if you like Dory and you support
and it and all and all that she stands for then.
He was. I felt like we were at slam
poetry in. Fact.
This is the family episode, but I don't want to make any

(01:10:22):
comparison between Ellen as a real life person and Dory the
character. I think she's a terrible Ellen
DeGeneres. DeGeneres.
Yeah, Separate the art from the artist.
I am going. To separate the art from the
artist. But I do think Dory is an
annoying ass fish. And with that we have Cars 3,

(01:10:42):
which as I said earlier. Hated it at first, learned to
love it. Eventually, I thought initially,
oh, this is the best Cars movie because it actually addresses
interesting themes of legacy andpassing on the torch and
struggling with just this idea that maybe your time is over.

(01:11:04):
But I think the problem I have with Cars 3 is that considering
the movie does deal with all these themes, the fact that Doc
Hudson is not in the movie is a crime against humanity because
he was the best character in thefirst Cars.
And if you're going to tackle all this in Cars 3, why is he
not in the movie? He fits perfectly with the theme

(01:11:27):
exactly. He would have been the best
person to get lightning through.That yeah, honestly, I remember
cars free that well. I mean, I think it's mature that
Lightning passes on the torch, but the fact that Doc is not in
the movie is just criminal. Yeah, I would say that this

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film, like I said, I didn't likeit at first for those reasons.
I was not a fan at first when I watched it.
I was not a fan of the whole theme of passing the torch.
And I I didn't want my boy lightning baby queen be washed,
you know, like I I wanted him tohave like that last, like, you
know, final hurrah moment. Yeah.
And it, it like the movie was building up to that.

(01:12:10):
And then, you know, legacy, he just like gives the race to his
protege, which I understand. And I appreciate that now as I
rewatched the film. But the first time I watched it,
I was so upset. Yeah, I was.
Like why are you giving up your your your race for like, like I
understand why you're doing it, but can't you just do it the
next race? Yeah.

(01:12:30):
Like go out with just one final like, hurrah.
But I've learned to. The blaze of glory.
Yes, but I've learned to appreciate this film since then
as I've grown up and matured a little bit.
Sometimes your departure can be silent.
I want my departure to go out with like in a.
Big. Bang glory type of.

(01:12:51):
So. We'll give you a Viking funeral.
Thank you oh Cars 3. Solid movie for the franchise.
Yes, solid. Second best movie in.
The I agree. Then we go to Coco.
Coco, I you. Know what?
I don't care. Yeah, we we already have the
scent here. I fucking love Coco.

(01:13:13):
Coco is a great movie. Coco, I think again proves that
Pixar at a time where again, I just I think they were, you
know, they they had some questions.
I think people were questioning whether they had lost their
magic and maybe Inside Out was this one off Fluke.
But then Coco came out and I think that showed they still

(01:13:35):
have the capacity to tell new and original stories that are
basically still revolutionary. They're always willing to try
things and just looking at theirlist, they are always willing to
try something different. And I think that's one of the
things I love the most about Pixar.
They're what's the word I'm looking for.

(01:13:57):
Versatility. Yeah, versatile.
Not the word exactly I'm lookingfor, but hopefully it'll come
back to me. But that is a definitely a great
word to describe Pixar. They're more than willing to
branch out. They're willing to take risks,
and even when they take risks, they give out a solid
performance. Yep.
I, I agree and with Coco specifically, I said this in the

(01:14:20):
in an episode a few, a few episodes back regarding like,
you know, representation and howlike I don't necessarily care to
see myself in the film. But with Coco specifically that
I think that just that does likethe, the homage to Hispanic and
Latino culture very well. And I, I, I love it for that.

(01:14:42):
I love that Pixar was willing to, I'm going to say like do
something risky per SE, because this is not a movie that I think
traditionally people are going to see him be like, Oh, I want
to watch, I want to watch Coco versus like, yo, let's go watch
the incredibles. Like if these movies came out at
the exact same time, I think more people are going to want to
watch the incredibles over Coco.But the fact that Pixar still

(01:15:06):
decided to make a film and like with such like heavy and like
meaningful cultural impact. Same with brave like how you
guys said that they they did theresearch to make sure that they
got the Scottish accent right. They.
They're always they. Like the the effort that they
went to into making Coco. Like, it's such a beautiful
movie. And I love it for that.

(01:15:28):
I feel like you can tell that Pixar loves their work.
They love their job and I feel like that comes out in their
movies. Yeah, they make films.
That's well said. I think Coco is obviously a
great movie and you kind of touched on the cultural aspect
of it, which I do think was a huge, huge reason the movie was

(01:15:48):
successful and struck A chord with so many people.
But just the sheer visualizationof the land of the dead, that
very first scene with the bridgethat is one of the most stunning
shots in a Pixar movie that I have ever seen, took my breath
away. But what I love about Coco is

(01:16:09):
primarily it is a film that celebrates music.
And I think the best scene in Coco is when Miguel and Hector
perform Poco Loco at the talent show in the Land of the Dead.
For some reason when I think about Coco, that is always the
scene that I think about. I think about Miguel going up

(01:16:29):
there nervous doing the Greedo and then they just burst into
the song and there's there's so much passion and and love coming
through the music. Similar to to what you said, you
can tell Pixar loves their movies.
They love what they are making. They believe in it and I think

(01:16:51):
there's an added layer of it in Coco because it comes through
the music. Poco Loco is unforgettable.
What color is the sky? Miyamor.
Miyamor. You tell me that it's red.
Miyamor. Miyamor it is.
I was going to touch on that, but you said perfectly I love
the music in that movie. I was looking at this list and

(01:17:12):
thinking, did any of the other previous movies touch?
On No. Coco is the only Pixar movie to
use music as the primary framingdevice for its story.
They. Tried something different?
Music is more of a Disney animation staple.
They tried something different and they nailed it it.
Was so good. Therefore the the first time

(01:17:33):
they went for it and it came outso great.
Yup, beautiful movie, honestly great I.
Think Coco would be my top three.
I would you'll. Get it to at the end of that,
but so listen on listeners. Oh dude, it's getting.
Harder and here we go. 2 Here wego.
Here we go. We are here now.

(01:17:53):
I'm going to let Cass take it off.
Here you go, Cass. First off, you might have to
stop on Incredibles 2 because I feel like we're going to go on
for an hour, but let's let's getinto it, yeah?
Let's go on. For an hour.
Well I honestly I love incredibles 2.
I don't think it's as good as the the original but a crazy

(01:18:13):
high bar for that. But I still loved it.
I can never understand why people disliked it.
It was a great movie and it, yeah, I, I don't know, I, I just
loved it. It, it's not as good as the
first one, I'll give you that. But then it's still an amazing
movie. That doesn't just because the

(01:18:35):
first one it was better, it doesn't make the second one any
less amazing. It was, it was a great movie.
I it was a great experience to watch it in the theaters and
honestly, I'd love to watch it again, I think.
The Incredibles 2 is a technically sound movie as.

(01:18:55):
Look at all this Dylan influence.
What? To say, you know, I'm not going.
To call it a film, it's. A.
Movie wrong. OK, like before I, before I, I
talk smack, I, I say I didn't even say the word before I talk

(01:19:16):
shit about The Incredibles 2. Let me just say, as I was saying
earlier, that it's a it's a technically sound movie.
It's, it's PG. No, I.
Mean this is this thing is PG this.
Episode this episode that you'relistening to with good
intentions. We did try to start as PG or.
MPG 13. Dylan fucked it up but anyways.

(01:19:43):
Stop. Cast Stop trying to attract me
Incredibles 2, I think that thismovie tried too hard to
capitalize off the success of the first movie.
I think the first movie was way more clever.
The story was way more sound than in this one.
Incredibles 2. If you think about the story,

(01:20:05):
what is the story really like? Really saying like the story
isn't as not not not to say thatIncredibles one the story was
profound, but. The story in Incredibles, I
thought it was more clever than Incredibles 2.
Incredibles 2 it just seems thatthey they want to capitalize off
of the Incredibles popularity. Gender flipped the the main

(01:20:27):
character. So we can, you know, focus more
on like the mom instead of the dad and then try to make a movie
about her. And I think she could carry the
movie. The this is incredible.
Ellen, I I think she could carrythe movie, but this was not the
movie for her. Like the movie, The actual plot,
it was kind of weak compared to the first one.
The first movie was clever, it was creative.

(01:20:49):
This movie, again, it's it's good, but I wouldn't call it a
masterpiece or say it's better than the first one.
I think. Anyone would say it's better
than the first one. Let me say this before I get
into this. I do not think Incredibles 2 is
better than the first one, but Ithink Incredibles 2 is a

(01:21:10):
subversive masterpiece. And you're all wrong.
The fact that people are making five hour video essays about why
this movie is a waste of time isabsolutely pathetic.
It shows me that you don't know anything about movies.
Incredibles 2 is the definitive takedown of the superhero genre.

(01:21:32):
Every single movie that you haveever seen that deconstructs the
genre and the medium of comic books, whether it's Watchmen,
kick ass, what have you, Incredibles 2 does all of that
much better. Incredibles 2 is a serious and
profound look at the state of superhero films at a time when

(01:21:54):
they were at their peak. This was the same year that
Infinity War came out and Incredibles 2 dared to pose the
question, why are you all obsessed with superhero culture
instead of actually trying to self actualize and be the person
that you see on screen? Instead of indulging in these

(01:22:17):
power fantasies by watching superhero films, why don't you
go out and cultivate these qualities in yourself?
People do not like to sit with that because it challenges them,
so they criticize this movie unfairly.
Screenslaver is an excellent villain.
The whole monologue about how wedo not talk anymore.

(01:22:39):
We watch talk shows, we don't play games, we watch game shows.
That adds to what I was saying. The Incredibles 2 is asking you
the question, Can you actually get off your ass and improve
your life? Can you be the hero of your own
story? But people are so comfortably

(01:23:01):
numb in their little bubble thatthey don't like what this movie
makes them feel. Yes, the movie does gender flip
the central role of Bob and Helen, but I think it works.
It works because Elastigirl is able to carry the film and we
see how Bob reacts to this. It isn't just about Helen taking

(01:23:22):
the lead, it's about how Bob reacts to being relegated.
Which is not only a commentary on feminism, as this movie came
out during the height of the Me Too movement and trying to
empower women on the big screen.But we got to see an actual
portrayal of how a man handles taking a back seat to a woman.

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Because too often when this is done in films, the men are
portrayed as incompetent or depressed or just plain morons.
And we see a very competent person in Bob take the back seat
in Incredibles 2. And yes, he struggles with it,
but at the end of the day he he does support Helen.
He goes to the ends of the earthto help her stop Screenslaver.

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I also think that Bob Odenkirk'scharacter is one of the best
additions to this franchise. I think he is the best
supporting character in either the first movie or the second.
He is incredibly charismatic. Also the Incredibles 2, amazing
animation. Does it have its problems?
Yes, of course it does. I don't think the movie should

(01:24:30):
have stopped in its tracks to have a dumb showdown between
Jack Jack and the raccoon in themiddle of the movie.
But Incredibles 2 is a good movie.
It is questioning everything youthink you know about this genre.
More importantly, it is questioning the dark and gritty
aesthetic. It is questioning the DC EU.

(01:24:50):
It is asking you why, if you want to engage in these power
fantasies of the superhero genre, why do you want them to
be these terrible people? Why do you want them to be
endless mopes who do nothing butwhine about how difficult it is
to be them? Because they view themselves as

(01:25:10):
so special and dealing with things that you couldn't
possibly imagine. Incredibles 2 has so many layers
that people are just not willingto look at because they do not
like that the movie makes them uncomfortable.
This doing monologue was broughtto you by the nobodies of
Hollywood. This is the Long Line podcast

(01:25:31):
where you get the hottest takes just like this to a headphone
near you. But OK, you those are great
points. I cannot disagree.
And I think you're kind of turning me like on your side a
little. Also, I will say, oh go ahead.
Just this is really this is a nothing point.
I'm just saying this, the elastic cycle is one of the best

(01:25:53):
movie motorcycles ever. You know what?
Fair. Yeah, it stretches and it's
pretty cool. I.
Need to rewatch it, I don't remember.
But I was gonna say, I think youbrought him an excellent point
about, you know, like the feminism.
And I think that this movie doesdo feminism better than like

(01:26:14):
when Marvel tried to do like thewhole girl power at the end of
End Game. Oh, that shot.
Yeah, that was Courtney. Yeah, So I do think that this
film does feminism like women empowerment better.
I like like how you said it putsBob in the backseat, but he's
not an incompetent man. Yes, he does struggle through

(01:26:35):
it, but he's never like. He never resents Helen.
Yeah. Yeah, Helen like switching me.
I want to go be the. He supports her.
He's like, no, go, be the hero. Like Go.
It's relatable to and Mathis math still lives in my head.
That scene will always get it always crack a smile.
His his outburst that math is just because I remember I was

(01:27:00):
helping my nephew of his math homework and they completely
changed everything and I had to figure out what to do.
And as I was trying to figure out what they were doing, that
scene came to my head and I juststarted laughing.
But I love that scene. And you know what?
He takes a back seat. He stays in the back seat, which
is pretty good. And he never like I remember.

(01:27:22):
Do they ever drop the movie? Did they ever compare Elastic
Girl to Mr. Incredible? No, I think that is an amazing
thing. No.
And one of the things I loved about that movie that it was all
it was Elastic Girl. And even then, as she's living
the life of a superhero, she's looking back and she's missing
her family. And whereas Bob, even though

(01:27:44):
he's taking the back seat and hehe doesn't, he's not used to it,
he's enjoying spending time withhis family.
Yeah. So they're both doing something
different and they're finding. Because of the lesson he learned
in the first film. Yeah, and honestly, it's just
great for them to have their shoe switch, their position

(01:28:04):
switch because it makes them appreciate each other more.
Yeah, that, that's fair. And I did like that, you know,
like they show Bob struggling, like helping his kids, like Dash
with his homework work, kind of very like Jack Jack and all
this. Yeah.
But as the film goes on, you see, like he, he, he adapts, he,
he, he doesn't weaponize his incompetence.

(01:28:26):
Not not to say that he's incompetent more so that he he's
not used to like, you know, being a stay at home dad.
So but he doesn't weaponize likenot knowing how to do things.
He just learns and like later onthe film, like he's helping Dash
do his homework and they're actually like, you know, bonding
over it. So like I do I, I, I don't hate
this movie and I think you can't.

(01:28:47):
You kind of did win me over a bit with your sponsored by the
nobles of Hollywood. TMTM.
Yeah, honestly, I think I might.I might just have to change my
mind about the Incredibles 2. I still think that Incredibles 1
is, I think. I it's better.
It's better, but yeah. I think I think I might have to

(01:29:10):
like rewatch the Incredibles 2 through like the framework that
you put out. Honestly, yeah, you can't go
wrong. I think that's all you need to
do. Just rewatch it a second time
because I'm marking the ones that I want to rewatch.
Well, I, I was marking the Good dinosaur because I haven't seen
it and Dylan recommended it. So I'm going to give that 1A

(01:29:31):
watch. I, I marked Incredibles 2 just
because I want to rewatch it nowthat we're talking about it.
I did. I did really love that movie.
Never understood why people disliked it.
And it's which, which was awful because, you know, I mean, when,
when people dislike a movie, youdon't really have anyone to talk
about. It it's also because it took 14
years for the sequel to come outand the because the movie wasn't

(01:29:53):
exactly what they pictured and it didn't unfold in the exact
way that it wanted it to. They conflate that with the
movie being bad. It was different.
It's exactly what happened with Cage three.
Cage three, Yeah. Kingdom Hearts Three, yeah, that
don't understand what he's referring to, but yeah,
Incredibles 2, One of the thingsthat always bothered me is

(01:30:14):
because I thought everyone hatedit.
I didn't have anyone to talk about it.
Case in point, I never talked about it with film, despite the
fact that we talk about a lot ofmovies.
I think Incredibles 2 was one ofthose movies that we never spoke
of, talked about. And honestly, it was mostly
because I love the movie and I didn't and I heard enough
negative opinions about it online and I could never

(01:30:35):
understand it. So I didn't want to talk about
it and have someone reinforce them because I I genuinely love
this movie, Incredibles 2 and I can never understand.
Why? Yeah, I'll tell you why people
didn't like this movie. No, I didn't say I didn't like
it. I just said that I didn't think
it was that good. But I I might have to think my

(01:30:57):
because I think I'm not to rewatch it from like a different
frame. I didn't consider like the
framework of a deconstruction and deconstructing the superhero
genre. I didn't consider that.
So I, I'm going to have to like rewatch it with that mindset in
mind because I think the the points that didn't brought up
were actually really good. Just clear your mind and watch.
But you don't need to have his perspective, just take all

(01:31:19):
biases out of your head and justsit down and watch it and and
truly watch it for the movie that itself is not what other
people tell you. Whether if someone tells you
it's good, someone tells you it's bad, just ignore those
thoughts and just ignore Incredibles the first one.
Just watch Incredibles 2 as its own film and watch it.

(01:31:41):
I mean, honestly, I think that takes, it does take away a
little bit because you know, thetheme, what happened Incredibles
1 definitely carries over. But what I mean is because of
that bias where most people think it's not as good as the
first one and that's why it's bad.
Just ignore that and watch it for itself.
Fair enough, but I was just going to bring up real quick,

(01:32:03):
like the reason why people didn't like The Incredibles 2 is
because it was a woman lead. And like, I'm not going to
pretend that like people don't want to see women lead.
That's just how it is like in not not for every movie.
Obviously, like there are movieswhere like, you know, like the
female lead works and you do want to see a female lead, IE

(01:32:24):
Kill Bill or like other movies where you want to say the female
that ass. But I think.
The edge of tomorrow. The the edge of tomorrow which?
One is that one. It's the one where it's got Tom
Cruise, where he goes back in time.
Lived, I repeat. Lived, I repeat.
Yeah, I know. That was a good movie.
Based off of manga that they just renamed to live Like to

(01:32:45):
live yeah, they renamed the two edge of tomorrow, but it's based
off of manga. I can't.
It's it's. Escaping me right now.
Honestly it's one of my favorite.
I haven't seen all the Mission Impossible movies so I can't put
this, but it's one of my favorite Tom Cruise movies.
Shout out to Tom Cruise man. Yeah, but I, I don't want to
come off across as misogynistic.I just want to say like, I think

(01:33:06):
like just generally in audiences, they don't want to
see like women leads usually. They want to see like the male
leads. And I think that's illustrated
by the fact that predominantly, predominantly most people that
go to the movies are going to beMad Men.
And so like movies in general are made for men.
And I don't like saying that, but I think like, 'cause we, we,

(01:33:29):
I'm just thinking about the early 2000s movies, how like
women in the early 2000s movies,raunchy movies, whatever, like
they're always over sexualized. And that's what like a women,
like that's what women were worth back in the day for these
movies. And so like now, like when we
have like, you know, Incredibles2 with like a competent female
lead, like a powerful, empowering women, men who are

(01:33:53):
bothered by that, they're not going to like that.
And they're going to make 5 hourlong video as it's on YouTube on
why they don't like that. But I'm, I'm not trying to come
across as a misogynist. I, I do, I, I do want to see
more female leads in movies. And I think the Incredibles 2
did do that without like, you know, being corny and it's
messaging like the way that Marvel does it when they try to

(01:34:14):
shoehorn in like, you know, likea female lead.
It felt natural, yes, just. Just the way they had.
I still remember that one scene where they're saying that the
the main face should be Elastic Girl on it.
It was just natural progression and I was like, I'm OK with
this. Yeah.

(01:34:34):
But I really need to. Realize I'm gonna that's where
I'm gonna end it on The Incredibles 2 because.
OK, we've. Been stuck on.
The Yeah, fair enough. We could we.
Could go on, but you know, we might circle back to The
Incredibles later on. But let's go on Toy Story 4.
Why do you love this film more than more than all the other?
Ones I don't love this film I think again it is a very

(01:34:57):
technically well made movie, beautifully animated, great
vocal performances. But I do think that the ending
of Toy Story 4 spits in the faceof everything that the first 3
Toy Story movies were trying to espouse.
And I, I can't lie that part of the reason I don't love Toy

(01:35:17):
Story 4 is because it kind of breaks my heart.
I do like 4 Key and the additionof the existential crisis
because Bonnie can just create life and it opens up this whole
new can of worms of philosophical questions in the
Toy Story world. Like what makes something
sentient? Because Bonnie just put him

(01:35:39):
together out of trash and he's alive.
So I think the Toy Story 4 posesa lot of interesting questions,
but it just, it doesn't coalesceinto anything I think
particularly special. And I also think Gabby, Gabby,
she's not really a villain, but I think she falls into this trap

(01:36:02):
of what Disney has been doing since the mid twenty 10s, which
is trying to make their villainstoo sympathetic.
They are afraid to make a villain that is just evil for
the sake of being evil. And that's not to say you can't
have a villain that is 3 dimensional, but stop chickening

(01:36:24):
out when it comes to the antagonists of the movies.
I think that's that's another issue I have with Toy Story 4.
It it brings in some fun side characters like Duke Kaboom and
Duck and Bunny. Plush Rush is a funny running
gag but I just don't think Toy Story 4 lives up to the first

(01:36:46):
three films and I just it the ending just doesn't sit right
with me. I also don't like that the
character regression of Buzz makes no sense.
We spent 3 movies with Buzz where he goes on this really
emotional and deeply introspective journey from being
this delusional guy who thinks he's a genuine space Ranger, to

(01:37:06):
being the toy that is fighting for Woody at the end of Toy
Story 2 to not be whisked away to Japan, to a genuine human
being in Toy Story 3 who acceptsthat if he is going to die, he
it's best to do it with his friends, the people that mean
more to him than anything. And in Toy Story 4, he's an

(01:37:29):
idiot for no reason. Why?
Why are we doing this? This this movie is.
It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't contribute to the Toy
Story mythos. It's not particularly moving it
it does. It has nothing to say it's it
has interesting questions, it has fun characters, but it's not
meaningful. It doesn't do anything for the

(01:37:50):
franchise and it hurts the legacy of what came before it.
Honestly, it wasn't an unnecessary movie and I think at
the they had to regress Buzz's character just to move the story
forward. Well, I don't like that.
That's not how storytelling works.
And I don't like how all the characters were sidelined, like

(01:38:13):
Slinky and Ham and Rex. All those guys were sidelined.
Yeah, I think Toy Story 4, out of all these movies on this list
that Pixar has put out, Toy Story 4 to me feels like the
most cash grabby. I can say that about other
movies, like when Toy Story 3 came out.
You don't expect that from Pixar.
I well, sure, yeah, yeah, fair enough.

(01:38:35):
But I think like Toy Story 4 specifically, this one felt the
most cash grabby in terms of like I think when it ended it at
three, that was perfect. They can just left it there.
Perfect trilogy. Yep.
But instead they decided to makeanother one.
And a fifth one. And and and they're coming out
with the fifth one next year, But when this one comes forward,

(01:38:55):
really, really good. No, like the four, like it
wasn't, I think personally it wasn't a bad movie per SE, but
if we compare it within like thecontext of the Pixar movies and
the fact that it's a Toy Story movie, Toy Story 4 is definitely
the weakest. It's like.
Hopping to the. Yeah, it goes like Toy Story 213

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and then seven spots empty, and then it tore 34.
I don't disagree with you at all.
I just, I just realized what yousaid.
Yeah. I'm letting me know if I see
more time on it. All right, onward and upward.
All right. I haven't seen Onward, yeah.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen Onward.

(01:39:42):
The last movie, The last Pixar movie I've seen is Luca, and
according to Dylan, I shouldn't even watch Turning Red.
No, you. Want to give us the breakdown of
Onward? I think Onward is a fine movie.
It's not great, not bad, it's just it's fine.

(01:40:04):
It's perfectly well by Pixar standards.
I think if you were to put Onward against most modern
animation, not counting things like Puss in Boots, The Last
Wish, I think Onward is better than most of it.
So I think it's a sweet story about a different kind of love

(01:40:24):
that you don't typically see in Pixar, but it's by Pixar
standards, it's you're it's pretty middle of the road,
right? OK.
Solid movie. Though not not convincing enough
for me to. Watch No no Like.
Yeah. What do you recommend it?
I would you what? But.
You said yes, you. Would I?
Would I'd. Recommend it.

(01:40:47):
It's just, yeah. No I'm debating because I'm
looking at this. I haven't watched the Good
Dinosaur so I would you recommend it over the Good
Dinosaur? No good dinosaur over this one,
OK? I have to rewatch Incredibles 2
just because just talking about I'm excited to watch it again
and I. I think The Good Dinosaur is
more of an artistic statement. I'll have to, well, I'm going to

(01:41:09):
go to the blank slate and then I'll see if I agree with you or
not. And I don't know, I just want
to, I want to rewatch Luca. I think.
Soul is an artistic statement. Soul.
Is an artistic. Statement beautiful beautiful it
is that that movie really had animpact on me yes what if souls

(01:41:31):
have souls I I want I say thoughthe the biggest problem with
soul is that it was not releasedin theaters.
I think that is an absolute travesty.
I think once, no, once we get toSeoul, this is what I call late
stage Pixar because I think Seoul is the reason for all of

(01:41:54):
the problems Pixar has had since.
What I mean by that is a lot of Pixar movies have been
underperforming and it is because Pixar has trained
audiences to wait for these movies to hit Disney Plus.
They are no longer incentivizingaudiences to watch Pixar films

(01:42:14):
in the theater. As great as I think Seoul is,
this was the biggest mistake Disney has made in a in a time
where they have made a lot of mistakes.
I think this was an absolute crime to not release this in
theaters. I think they should like re
release in theaters. They've already, they've already

(01:42:37):
re released Saul, Luca and Turning Red in theaters.
I missed it. Yeah, maybe.
They'll do it again, I'm sure You'll You're going to keep an
eye out. Let me know.
Yeah, I will. I.
Think Luke was Luca was in a. Theatre Nope.
Lightyear was the first Pixar movie in theaters.
I was not interested in that one.
I think I would have loved to see Luca in theaters.

(01:42:58):
Yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that these
weren't in theaters, but Cash has showed me that.
Soul came out in 2020, so you know.
Soul, Luca and Turning Red all went straight to Disney Plus.
That's that's a shame. It is especially for Soul and
Luca. I I said this before the show,
but Luca is Pixar's Studio Ghibli film, yeah.

(01:43:22):
I like I've seen Luca like that one.
It's it's a sweet film. I like that one.
Haven't. Seen.
I like that it's just kids beingkids.
Yeah, they're having fun. Dylan said that it's it's I
couldn't, I thought about it andI'm like, huh, I can't disagree
with that. I I see it kids being kids.
Honestly, I don't have that to. Again, I'm not thinking of any

(01:43:45):
other movie that does that. Turning Red I can admit that I
probably need to revisit this movie because I wasn't in the
best. State of mind.
State of mind the first time I watched it.
But I will say, like my issues with Turning Red are not the the
reasons that some people have criticized the movie.
I think the fact that some people think there's an issue

(01:44:06):
with the puberty metaphor or themovie addressing menstruation,
if that honestly bothers you, grow the hell up.
That's not why I disliked Turning Red.
I just think Turning Red is uncharacteristically childish
for Pixar. It feels silly and less mature
in a way that all of these othermovies do not.

(01:44:27):
And I don't think it has the same nuance that these other
movies do. But some people have different
readings of Turning Red from mine.
And yeah, I probably need to revisit it because some people
have different readings of Toy Story 4 than I do, and they're
very valid interpretations of that movie.
So I need to revisit Turning Red, I'll say that.

(01:44:50):
But I I was not a fan of it. And I have any of you seen
Lightyear? No, mediocre, I just don't think
it does anything worthwhile. I'm going to assume nobody's
seen elemental. I want to, I wanted to, but I
just maybe if it, I don't know. I didn't watch it.

(01:45:11):
Honestly, it didn't seem interesting on the trailer to
me. Yeah, I saw some clips of it and
after seeing some clips on it and I missed out, I should have
watched it. It's it's definitely on my list
of Pixar movies to watch. Yeah.
Just because I, I don't know, I,I felt like you, like you said,
you said turning red was kind oflike immature, non nuanced.

(01:45:34):
That's what my initial thought of elemental.
It's it, it, it just didn't it. It seemed childlike, which is
childish, which is funny becauseyou know.
Yeah. Movies but but still, after
seeing some clips, I I think I packed it wrong and I definitely
need to watch it. So that's on my list.
Plus, you know, Pixar. It carries.

(01:45:56):
It carries. Weight, yeah, so.
I think I'd like, even though the like we're saying that
usually you said light year isn't the best movie.
I mean, there's still a Pixar film.
I think that that that alone is enough reason to.
I would put light year genuinelyat the bottom of Pixar movies.
It's pretty bad, yeah. But I'll still watch it just
because it's a Pixar film. Pixar Onward over light year.

(01:46:19):
Yes, absolutely. Wow.
Yes. You know, like onward.
I I wasn't crazy about elementalwhen I first saw it, but it grew
a lot on me. I do think it has a lot of
layers. It is so much more than just
what it appears to be on the surface.
Yeah, that that's what I got from the clip.

(01:46:40):
So from just watching the clip, so and it was just short clips
of the movie and I'm just like, I, I picked this one wrong.
I should I should definitely give it a watch.
Inside Out too I get OK. I've liked Inside Out too.
I think it's a really good movie.
I don't think it's as good as the first film.
I do have my issues with that. I feel like I have more issues

(01:47:01):
with it than most people. I think that they kind of
relegate the emotions from the first movie because they don't
really know what to do with them.
Maya Hawk is obviously really good as anxiety.
I think Inside Out too has a good message, but I think it
loses sight of the more interesting aspects of the film,
like this idea of the self and core beliefs and how that

(01:47:24):
informs how we behave and sort of interact with our emotions.
It's a good movie, but it's it'snot as good as the first one and
it's not perfect, but it's wortha watch, absolutely, I think.
I'm going to. Give it made me cry, but you
know me, I always be crying which.
Movies have made you cry Beyond.Beyond what?

(01:47:46):
I never cry. I am a bit.
From this list of all the movies, which ones have you shed
a tear? Toy Story 3 Inside out Coco, Toy
Story 4 Soul and Inside out two really.
Not up. Nope.
The 1st 10 minutes did not. Make I was an edgy little high

(01:48:09):
schooler when. You.
When you go back on it and you watch it.
He hasn't gone back. I haven't.
I think the last time I watched up was maybe last year.
It was pretty recent actually. Last time I watched it was
during my vacation. I just just watching it with my
niece, 2 year old niece and honestly, well I had to hold
back the tears. I couldn't.
I couldn't look like I couldn't.Cried in front of my niece.

(01:48:32):
No, yeah, you can't. You can't.
No, you got to be tough in frontof your niece.
She's going to remember that. Man.
Look at that. 24 pics are moving.
So, gentlemen, now that we've like touched briefly on all
these movies specifically more on Incredible 2, what would you
say like what are like the themes or like what do you think

(01:48:53):
the messaging is behind the Pixar movies?
Cass mentioned earlier about thehow much joy and how much like
they love these films and how much work they put into them.
So what do you think like like what themes like they generally
try to put in the movies? I think honestly, the primary

(01:49:13):
theme of these Pixar movies is that they are trying to capture
the human experience in all of its facets.
I know that's a very broad statement, but if you look at
what they are doing, every single movie is a unique
concept, but within it is a veryhuman, human emotion and

(01:49:35):
experience. And I think really Pixar is
trying to tell us the story of what it means to be human
through all of these different creative ideas that.
Means to have a soul. No, I was going to say like,
that's brilliant. Like pictures out here trying to
teach us or like show us what itmeans to be human through

(01:49:57):
computer graphic. Yes, yes, exactly.
Like that, that's crazy. And I, I love that.
Just like that theme. What I would argue though.
Be the first one to make the perfect.
Day as you mentioned with soul what what I would argue is that
soul shows us that we are spiritual beings having a human
experience that's. Beautiful.

(01:50:20):
That's poetic. Great movie.
Very great movie. Ask right?
Damn it. There we go.
Cast is now going to rewatch at least seven of these movies
right here on this list. Brought to you by The Nobody's.
Yes, gentlemen. What Pixar movies do you like?
Drop it in the comments down below because right now, soon,

(01:50:44):
in 30 minutes or so, we will reveal to you our top 3 movies.
We're we're going to bring back something.
What's it going to be? Jesse, I'm glad you asked.
You ready to go for a rumble? Let's let's go for a rumble.
Let's let's give it a another go.

(01:51:09):
Ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gents, we are going
to have the first OH. Jesse's standing.
I'm standing all right. Let's do it PG cinna pillow
fights. Exactly.
I want you guys to throw the lightest jabs.
It's like everything over the belt.
Be as nice as possible. Make sure to Telegraph your your

(01:51:32):
crosses, your jackets and everything about this.
Remember this is PG, this is forkids.
It's like I don't want any glares at each other.
I don't want any insults. Do not attach to each other in
any form of way. It's like if you guys hug it out
in the middle of this fight, youget extra.
I think he's a better official than me.
Thank you, I love it. You all look brilliant, All

(01:51:54):
right. Hey yo, Dylan, you look really
fresh today. Thank you.
I wore my Pixar shirt that I gotwhen I visited the campus.
That's it. Fired.
Thank you. It actually has.
I love your attitude. Thank you.
It actually has. I appreciate your compliments.
I appreciate you too. Thank you.

(01:52:15):
I appreciate you too. Boom, there you go, ladies and
gentlemen, bringing in the jabs.All right, cast you want to
explain the rules again one moretime.
I think that would be better explained from Dylan.
OK, so we're going to try to condense this try.

(01:52:36):
We're going to go 4 rounds this time.
Opening is only three minutes, the open is five, and closing
statements, we'll bring it down to two.
If there is a tie, we'll move tothe speed round.
I'll explain the speed round rules if we get there.
Beautiful. All right.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, let's get to it.

(01:52:59):
Let's start off with this question and don't answer right
away because after I ask it, I'mgoing to take some movies off
the board. Oh, OK.
OK. So.
I don't like this. I wasn't.
This is not the kind of debate prep I was doing.
It's fine. It's not that difficult.
OK, One, it's like, you know what, we're all friends here, so

(01:53:22):
I just remember that. Yeah, of course we're.
Going to talk about people that are not friends.
Who would you say is the best antagonist in a Pixar movie?
And I'm going to cross some movies out because I am
incredibly biased on them and just picking them themselves
would make you win. But it's not just the best

(01:53:44):
argument for it, I want to see the most creative argument as
well. For reference, I crossed out The
Incredibles, A Bug's Life, and Toy Story 2 because everything
is better than threes. Screenslaver.
Bro, I was going to steal that one.
I knew he was going to cheeky and steal that from him.

(01:54:08):
You would. Have picked it I would have
automatically given the win to Dylan simply because you came
out against incredible twos so much that if you picked
screensaver as your villain I would have been like you know
what forget it next round I'm doing this I'm sorry, but that's
that's just I was never gonna give you.
That Sid from Toy Story 1. OK, OK, OK.

(01:54:33):
That's a good pick. Remember, it's not just the best
argument, it's also the most creative argument.
Alright, so Sid for Toy Story, Ipick him as the was the question
villain, the antagonist, the best antagonist.
So when we were talking about Toy Star earlier and like, you
know, what it means to be sentient and what it means to be

(01:54:55):
alive, Sid is out here literallylike Nazi Germany connecting
experiments on these toys, reconfiguring them.
And like all the toys that he owns, the ones that are still
quote UN quote, alive, their bodies are like disfigured.
They're not, they're mutilated. They're not the original toys

(01:55:16):
that they were. So like their, their body parts
don't work the same and they have to continue on with this
like Frankenstein existence. All from like the mechanisms of
like a demented 10 year old kid who you know, who plays like
he's basically playing God with all these toys.
Some of these toys for sure havedied.

(01:55:38):
Like not all the toys that we see in the film, the toys we see
in the film, those are the toys that lived.
I can't make the joke that I want to make because this is the
PG. This is the PG podcast.
Please remember we're all friends here.
Yes, but that is my reason why Ithink Sid is like the quote UN

(01:55:58):
quote best antagonist and all these Pixar films, because all
the other villains here, yeah, they're villains.
But like, how many of them are actually like committing murder,
committing genocide? You know what my argument is
that good that I I released the last minute and 30 seconds to I
really wish the minute and 30 seconds I had to Dylan Mike.

(01:56:24):
Hey, yo, Chad, you think that was like a good argument?
Like thumbs up and like you knowthat the chat below leave a
like. Screenslaver is the best Pixar
antagonist for the simple fact that she is not just an
antagonist to Helen and The Incredibles family, she is an an
antagonist to the entire audience.

(01:56:47):
Screenslaver's plan to not only expose the hypocrisy of the
people that inhabit the world ofThe Incredibles, but to expose
the hypocrisy and us, the audience.
She is forcing us to reckon withall of these big questions that
I posed earlier in the episode and force us to confront why we

(01:57:08):
are so unable to foster these positive qualities in ourselves.
If that is something that we so desperately want, why are we
trying to find it in others whenwe could be nurturing those
qualities in ourselves? Moreover, Screenslaver not only
wants us to reckon with these questions, but she is trying to

(01:57:29):
take away the heroes that sort of serve as these iconic figures
in the world here, by controlling them with the
goggles, Screenslaver exposes somuch of what is wrong with the
culture, so to speak. Not just in the context of The

(01:57:51):
Incredibles, but in the context of the real world.
Screenslaver is the villain to show us why there is a little
bit wrong with how popular the superhero genre has become.
Comic book movies have become soubiquitous and Screenslaver is,

(01:58:14):
I think, the ultimate encapsulation of why all of this
does need to be questioned, why we do need to take a hard look
at the kind of art that we invest in, at the kind of art
that we choose to support. Also Screenslaver, she is

(01:58:34):
straight up nefarious. I'm sorry she was willing to off
her brother just to achieve her goals.
And also the scene where she traps Helen in the cage and
basically gives her a seizure. Nefarious, I'll concede.
OK, this is a tough one simply because for you about listening

(01:58:55):
you might disagree with my judgement.
Make sure if you please leave a comment.
On yeah, we still got to do the back and.
Forth I know, but. Yeah, I was going to say I
haven't even hit Sid yet. I'm.
Just going in to the audience, remember, if you agree with
Jesse or you agree with Dylan, make sure you let your thoughts
know and whether or not you did at the end of it, whether you

(01:59:17):
agree with my judgment or not, make sure to join in.
Lego All right, So what I will say right now is that for your
choice of villain, I think in the context of your story and
Incredibles, it's more of a macro view because your your
villain definitely has like moreimpact on more people's lives

(01:59:38):
then mine. Mine is more of a micro view
because it's just like a story within like toys in like their
neighborhood. That being said, Sid is like the
one committing like these atrocities to these toys and we
can we consider them as sentientand like, you know, that they
have like their own lives and feelings and emotions and stuff
like that. I think he causes more damage

(02:00:00):
and more harm to those toys. Then what screensaver does
because all she does is basically just mind control
people does she doesn't mean to opt her brother as you said she
was willing she. Was willing to OK well Jesse, I
didn't want to have to do this but Sid is such an ineffectual
villain that it is proven that these toys can be restored, as
seen by Sid's sister Sally doll in his and his Pterodon toy.

(02:00:24):
Sid is so ineffectual at what hedoes that life can quite
seriously be recreated within the Toy Story universe.
That's the problem with the sentience and consciousness
being so loosely defined in thisfranchise.
Yes, I'm not saying what Sid does is good, he's clearly a
deranged little sociopath, but the fact that the toys can be

(02:00:48):
brought back sort of negates hisinherent villainy.
Well, you don't see me coming that hard on like your
character, she's an. Adult.
Yeah, she's an adult, right, Yo,Like he's a little kid.
And if this little kid is that demented at that age compared to

(02:01:08):
your adult version, come on. Like, you know Sid.
Sid would have grown up to be a freaking dictator.
Instead, he grows up to be his garbage man as seen in Toy Story
3 because he was fucking duffed by Woody and a bunch of nobody
toys. That is how pathetic of a
character Sid is. He is so easily defeatable that

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Woody and a bunch of Frankenstein's Monsters toys are
able to defeat Sid PT. Voice please.
Oh my God. Give the extra time I had that I
like this come back and I'm likenot more than I thought I would.

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Dylan said something. I was going to respond to it.
So like, every villain has a gorgeous story, all right?
So just because Sid is a garbageman before going to college
asking in Toy Story 3 doesn't mean he's not going to grow up
to be the dictator that he knowsthat he can be.

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Just like Snow White. OK OK as I said Sid is so
ineffectual as a villain that heis.
He is easily taken down by Woodyand a bunch of misfit toys.

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Part of Screenslavers whole problem here.
Her Master plan is you would sayshe doesn't really do anything
besides control people's minds. I would disagree with that
because part of screensavers plan is to expose the folly of
vigilante justice and the very concept of supers.
And the way that she she does this is you see this in the very

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first act of the film when she causes the runaway train.
Yes, Helen technically saves everybody on board, but it's not
about whether or not she saves the lives.
It's to demonstrate the recklessness and collateral
damage that these people caused and that they inherently harm
society by trying to protect it.So yeah, maybe she doesn't

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necessarily accomplish anything concrete, but her plan has
several layers. It's not just about, like you
said, affecting the culture and the supers on this macro level.
It is about showing them that there is problems with these
people. It's not just about the way that
we idolize them and look up to them and want to be them rather

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than trying to aspire to something greater ourselves.
It's about the fact that they'revery existing is actually a
threat to ours and the people that inhabit the world of The
Incredibles. She does that beautifully.
That's fair enough. You know what, I think he has
chose a very good word because he said antagonist and not

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villain. And while I think that like I
would say that Sid is more of a villain than Screenslaver
because I think like from what you're trying to portray or say
is that screen slavery is essentially like she's doing.
She has her own twisted way of doing it, but she's effectively
doing what she's doing for like the greater good kind of.

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And I think we're just running out of time.
So I'm about to stop right there.
The reason why I said antagonistis why I was hoping one of you
would pick like a more broad, not so much tangible kind of
antagonist. That's what the whole creative
thing. But yeah, I still like both your
arguments. Yeah, you kind of lost the
points on yours just because youhad already touched on that in

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the beginning, but you added on to it, which made me made me
more favorable. And your argument with the whole
dead where he analyzed them because you want this on YouTube
was kind of thrown away because I believe that all the ones that
he quote UN quote disposed of come back in the sandboxing.

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I believe so the I remember thatscene.
Allegedly, we don't know. Which I point out that the toys
can be restored. They can't be restored, but as
he was saying that, that's all Icould think of, so I kind of
pushed you in a bit. No, I don't think that Buzz
Lightyear would have been like the first like toy he put on a
rocket. It's all I'm saying.
Oh, he wasn't because you failedto mention the combat Carl scene

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where he actually blows up the soldier with the M80.
I'm lucky you didn't bring that up.
Come back. No, but you didn't mention it.
The times up it doesn't count. That's.
Unfortunate. That would have been a good.
I'm I'm glad you brought it up. I'm not going to lie that I
might have won you one that one just because.

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OK, I I used to know that my argument was still sound.
It was. Still sound.
Yeah, I I very much liked it. I'm impacting the meaning.
I I like your argument over Dylan.
Simply I don't that get creative.
But the reason why I took away some points from his was because
he already touched it, touched in on it earlier, but then one
back and forth he added on to it, you know, gaining point.

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So I'm going to have to get thisone to tell.
If you disagree with me, please feel free to comment.
Be nice. Remember, this is the PG.
Episode thumbs down if you if you're upset, PP.
All right, P to come back, Carl.One out for the boy.
Please don't. Hurt me.
Second question. Second question.

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OK, so hold on. I should have had my phone out
with my notes. I'm sorry about that.
No worries, we'll fill it with some ambient noise.
I'm loving it. I'm.
Going to get rid of this one because this one's too hard of a
question, but OK, this one's going to be a little difficult.
I I, I don't know, I feel like this is unfair because I don't

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know if you, but all right, I'llthink about I'll see of all the
voice actors in every single Pixar movie, I won't even cross
anyhow, which one do you think put their most put their soul
into it the most? Owen Wilson Cars.
Amy Poehler and Inside Out. Damn that that's a good one.

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I I should have chosen Woody, but.
You know what, I that was such apowerful answer.
You can. I'll let you.
Change. No, no, I'm going to commit to
Owen Wilson, but that it's only because I haven't seen Inside
Out, but I know what his argument's going to be already.
It's going to be a boring last round, all right.
So was the question again I would give best voice
performance. No not not best voice
performance. Which voice actor put their soul

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into it the most? OK, so you can you can make an
argument it's not about the bestperformance but which actor put
their very being into it, even if they give it that
performance. As long as they put their heart
and soul into their performance.Dakota Johnson, Madam.

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Amy Poehler and Inside Out. All right.
Which one of you would like to go first?
Well. He won the first, he he won the
first round. Do you want to go first or do
you want to see him try? I'll I'll go first.
That's fine. I don't think it'll take me
long. Amy Poehler gives the most
soulful performance in a Pixar film.
If for no other reason then she is able to convey the entire

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spectrum of emotions. For a movie that is concerned
about the personification of allthese different emotions, Amy
Poehler is able to channel all of these different emotions that
she is so desperately trying to protect Riley from.
Amy Poehler is primarily known as a comedic actress from

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Saturday Night Live and then roles like Mean Girls where she
was Regina's mom. But Amy Poehler comes through
and delivers what I would argue is the most dramatic performance
performance in a Pixar movie. She says so much with her voice.
It isn't just what she says, it's what she doesn't say.

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It's what she is afraid to say is joy.
It's what she can't express to sadness.
It's what she can't express to the other emotions like disgust
and fear. It is such a layered, nuanced
performance that she is able to convey so many things with just
her voice alone. Yeah, you can take the animation

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into account, but if you remove that from the equation, I
believe it would be every bit aseffective.
Because Amy Poehler inhabits Joyin a way that I don't think
anybody else could have. She delivers a performance that
is, yes, it's soulful, but it isalso deeply human.

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We just said that Pixar is trying to communicate the human
experience through all these creative ideas, and I don't know
that a single person has portrayed that more beautifully
than Amy Poehler and Inside Out.I can see.
OK, go. All right.
Owen Wilson for cars. Need all I say.

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Ciao. I losers like you for breakfast.
Wow, like come on, like I think Owen, Owen Wilson in whatever
performance he does, like his voice is iconic.
If you hear like just a wow, like who knows who it is?

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Like you know, that's Owen Wilson, whether he's doing it in
Loki, wow, what is he doing in cars?
Wow. Or whether he's doing it in
Marry Me with Not not not Jennifer Lawrence.
I think it was Jlo but. What do you mean crashers?
Yes, like only Wilson puts puts his heart and soul into a

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whatever performance he does. I think in cars that is so like
just it's so poetic and it's just right there, like come on,
he gives you the quotables. He gives you like that, that
that range of emotion like yes, while your character like she
literally represents joy, the emotion like Owen Wilson as a

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character, as a car, inanimate as like, you know, inanimate
object. He is able to bring so much
emotion into that character, whether it's being like that
cocky, arrogant prick he is in the beginning of the movie.
Later on towards like where he'slike, he softens up and he's
like the softy like kind of likelike like a dad with all the
other characters. Like he, he learns to like

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appreciate the help that he getsfrom other people around him.
And that is recognized in like how his voice changes,
especially in like cars two and three.
Like in the first one, he's super arrogant, like like not
tough necessarily, but just the way he he's confident to the
point of arrogance. And then by like the second and
third movie, that's kind of washed away.

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And then the third movie, the movie we talked about legacy.
That's the one where we see him like really struggle with like
the emotions and like thoughts regarding his legacy and what he
wants to pass down. And you can see that in the
performance that he gives. And I think that's why, like
Cars 3 would be like ranked pretty high.
And like the trilogy, it's obviously not better than the

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first one, but it's pretty high up there.
And I think Owen Wilson, what hedoes coming from like a kind of
a comedic background, like he's still able to like portray and
bring those like, heavy emotionsin an animated movie.
And I can see the rest of my time because I really want to
get into the arguments. OK.

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Once again, feel free to participate yourself for those
listening. Give me a catch out I'm.
Going to be honest, your catch out was really good.
Like it threw me off so much. Your wow, just like, yeah, that
like, I don't know how you do that.
For those listening, it's like did you enjoy Guess's
performance? Did you enjoy Dylan's argument?

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Let us know. Again, participate.
This is my opinion on which one I prefer better.
Maybe your opinion will be different.
Feel free to join him. Ready start?
All right, so you chose a freaking emotion as your
character like that is such a cop out.
That's the I must say that's like the easiest answer you

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should have picked. But like the question was like,
what was the question? Who, who who put their soul into
their performance, their voice acting performance.
You chose a literal emotion. So like you chose like the.
Easiest one. Why didn't you pick soul?
OK, but let me ask you this for someone who has not seen Inside
Out, how can you even address the supposed lack of depth to

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Amy Poehler's performance? Because there is plenty of
depth. Yes, she encapsulates the
emotion of joy, but that is not all that she is part of.
The entire theme and message of Inside Out is how important it
is for us to balance all of these different emotions, even

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if they conflict in the moment, and how all of these emotions
have a place. And nowhere is that better
exemplified than Amy Poehler's performance.
She breaks down much, much more powerfully than than Riley does
in Inside Out. I think Amy Poehler is able to
honestly better articulate the theme of the movie then Riley's

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character herself. That's how good Amy Poehler's
performance is for Owen Wilson. I just don't.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
What about his performance is poetic?
Give me one single moment where Owen Wilson delivers anything as
powerful as what Joy says in Inside Out to where she is on

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the verge of tears and says maybe this is what happens when
you grow up. You feel less joy.
There is nothing that Owen Wilson could have done in the
three Cars movies that is even close to being as emotionally
resonant as anything Joy says you.
Want to just give up the man? You are so lucky.

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I haven't seen this film, but I I, I'm not going to say that
your character has no depth. I think like the way you
describe it, there is depth in your character.
I was just saying like, yo, likeyou literally chose an emotion.
Of course, like the voice acting, you know, but they're so
behind it like it's it's a freaking emotion.
Oh, that's for Owen. Come on, like the catch out,

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catch out. I lose it like you for
breakfast. OK, I will give you this.
He does have quotables. He's probably the most quotable
Pixar character. But we're we're that's not what
we're talking about. We're talking about who gives
the most soul, who gives themselves over to the
performance completely. And no one does that more than

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Amy Poehler and Inside Out. Another scene I want to
reference is Bing Bong's death in in the first Inside Out.
That is such a heartbreaking scene, and it's not just because
of Bing Bong dying, it's becauseof Amy Poehler's reaction to it.
You buy it completely. I think when we talk about like,

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like the, the voice actors that like, you know, they give their
their soul or like the base performance in these films, I
was like, why is Owen Wilson just because like the cultural
impact that cars has had as liketrilogy and like the Pixar and
in the Pixar legacy. And I just think that Owen
Wilson like his performance is like not the only performance

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that brings the movie together, but I think he carries like that
trilogy. And I really am just talking
about my ass right now because like he got me.
You want to stop right there? No, I'm going to keep on going.
But like he I, I know he got me there.
See, I want to be honest. I think you've got me with
cultural impact. I think Inside Out is a better
movie than any of the Cars movies.

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But I don't, I don't know that joy.
And if we're talking about like souls, like what, what touches
like people's souls more like ithas a better cultural impact.
Like I would imagine like that'smore of a soul touching.
I don't know if you can make that argument because I think it
matters. It matters more how the movie
effects you on an individual level.
And I think Inside Out, I can't speak for everybody, but I can

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imagine a movie like Inside Out,specifically Amy Poehler's
performance, a character who wassupposed to just be A1
dimensional interpretation of the emotion.
Joy bring so much of this depth and nuance to the performance
and she is able to show that it is OK to not be happy all the

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time. In fact, you probably aren't
going to be. I think the greatest paradox
with Joy and Amy Poehler's performance is that there is a
deep, deep melancholy running throughout her voice in the
first Inside Out film. Well.
Said I have no counter to that. Well, we ran out of time.

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Yeah, not only that, but again, you have to remember that this
was, yes, you did make a good argument, the cultural impact of
cars, but this was an actor putting their soul into the
character. And I think Dylan definitely won
some points with the bringing upthat Amy Poehler is mostly known
for her comedy, her comedic roles, and this was her first
time as a more emotional role. And she.

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I I've seen Inside Out, so I knew what he was talking about.
But here's one of the best things.
You haven't seen Inside Out, butyou could still to understand
his argument, could you not? Yeah, where he was coming from.
And I think that just tells it that much more.
I mean, I like I said, I've seenInside Out.
So when he picked that, I was like, oh, shoot.
But yeah, I'm going to give thisone to Dylan just because Amy

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Poehler did give her, put her entire soul into her role.
She went above and beyond, gave it 120%.
And you can. It's not like you can just feel
it in every scene and Dylan definitely said it better.
If you disagree with that decision, comment saying Jesse

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was robbed. He should have won.
Thank you. I'm saying or no, Dylan was 100%
right. He buried Jesse's 6 feet under
in the 1st 10 seconds. All I'm going to say is I lost
to a man wearing a Pixar shirt. Like I think if I if I bought my

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own pics I sure I would have won.
Ciao, I feel. Like I made a mistake in in the
first question. I crossed.
I crossed some out I should. Have.
I should have done that for the second one.
I should have because like honestly, I was going to cross
out inside out. That was definitely that was
going to be like one of the first ones.

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I was going to cross out if not the only one.
I should have done that, but I didn't do that because I thought
I want to hear everyone like I want you to be able to pick from
every single one and pick a voice actor that because it
again, it doesn't have to be thebest performance.
It just has to be the voice actor that had to put their most
soul in it. Or you could have argued the

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that the one that reached you the most because you know when
they put their much into you, itcan resonate with you.
Just get creative with your answers.
They don't have to be like the best one, doesn't have to be the
worst one. It's just, yeah, I just want you
to be creative. Just like how Pixar is creative
and how OK how they're trying tobe.
Damn. You want me to talk about my

(02:20:51):
ass? All right, I.
Got this. And that's fine.
That's perfectly fine. You can talk out of your
posterior. I'm gonna mark you my next
question. Which movie would you recommend
to a broad audience? And for this one, I want you to
pick a movie that I haven't seenand some S to me.
So I'm going to circle the ones that I haven't seen and from

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those you get to pick one. You know what?
I like these questions. They're.
They're creative, yeah. He's not making it easy for me.
Again, I haven't seen this movie.
So you're the goal is to sell itto me and also try to hit not
just me, but a broad audience. It's not just me.
It's like I said to the broad audience.

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It's you're selling it to a broad audience, but you're
you're picking for movies that Ihaven't seen.
So that adds on to it. And just remember, if you had to
score extra points, be creative with your answer.
OK, do the Pixar thing, say 1. When OK, look onward.
It's it's a fine film. It is a technically sound movie,

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as Jesse would say. But more than that, I would say
if you enjoy fantasy, whether itbe hard fantasy like Harry
Potter or something a little more soft fantasy that has
looser rules like Lord of the Rings.

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Maybe you even like Game of Thrones.
Onward is your movie because more than any other Pixar film,
Onward embraces the spirit of adventure in the sense that it
is very much a heroic quest to have the heroes achieve their
goals and they encounter so manyof these fun fantasy tropes that

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are given a creative twist. And look for some God forsaken
reason, people like Tom Holland,Spider man Tom Holland voices a
character in this movie. Maybe the kids will like it.
That's honestly all I got for the opening.
Yeah, that was, that was a minute, OK.
I was good. Honestly, I like your.
I like your take on the fantasy.OK, Friendly reminder that

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because Jesse chose one of the three, I'm holding him to a
higher standard, so he's gonna have to be extra creative when.
Soul Soul is a beautiful movie and This is why I would
recommend it to broad audiences.Similar to Coco.
Similar to the movie critically critically acclaimed Sinners.
It's a movie that that focuses on the music.

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Soul is a movie that focuses on music, but they ask you the
question like what does it mean to have a soul and what does
your soul really mean and how significant is it to you?
I think the questions and the philosophy that Soul asks the
audience is really, it's really deep and meaningful.

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It makes you reflect on your ownlife and like, what kind of life
do you want to live as like first of all, as a human being
and like, and what what passion do you want to pursue and like,
what kind of life do you want tolive before you know you
ultimately kick the bucket. So, and for that reason, I think
Soul is a beautiful movie that invokes a lot of emotions that

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if you haven't seen the movie, you should definitely watch this
over onward. I can see my time.
He said a minute too. Wow.
Let's go. Ready for the back and forth.
Yeah, I guess. Once again, please let us know
which one you agree with, whether the Dylan's argument or
Jesse's argument, and feel free to think of your Which movie

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would you pick as a movie to recommend to a broad audience
into an introduction to Pixar anintroduction.
To Pixar. Oh my God, that's easily.
That I realized, no, that's not that.
I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have said that.
Rephrase your question. You know how we're answering it.
Same as before, it's just from the movies that I've circled.

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Which one would you recommend that would hit a broad audience?
OK. Let's commence our verbal spark,
Jesse. I'm sorry but you're so out of
your depth. You give audiences way too much
credit here. The fact is.
People. The majority of people, they go
to the movies because they want to see dumb shit.
They just want escapism. They don't want to go to a movie

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and reflect on their inevitable demise and contemplate what they
really want to do with their life and whether they are making
the choice that is right for them.
How can they know that they are making the right choice when
they have an infinite amount of choices in a finite amount of
time? People do not want to go to the
movies and think about that stuff.
I would argue most people aren'teven capable about thinking

(02:25:41):
about that stuff because they spend the majority of their
lives debating their own significance.
Soul does not have mass appeal. My movie has mass appeal.
It's about goblins and elves andDragons and and Griffins and
sword fights and and magic and it has two well known stars.
Well, I mean, I don't think they're stars, but it has two

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well known actors in Tom Hollandand Chris Pratt, and people love
those guys for some reason. You know what, I did not think
this is going to change that. That is brilliant.
I'll give I'll give that to you.You know, my movie was made for
the a toy, the real cinephiles, you know, the people that
appreciate art. So that is who my movie is made

(02:26:25):
for. It's also made for the broad
audiences because that breaks that film made for families so
all families can enjoy. So while yes, while your movie
might have a broad appeal with the Dragons and the dwarves, the
Tom, the Toms and the prats, my movie has a message.
It has meaning. You can watch it with your

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family and kids and like have your actual parents enjoy and be
engaged with the film. Not like going to watch Onward
where the parts just be on theirphone.
Or sleep. So you want people to expose
their kids to the false idea that there's an afterlife?
Yes, 'cause I want kids to thinkcritically.
I don't want kids to go watch dumb shit.
I want them to like, think for themselves.

(02:27:06):
My movie was made for the for the culture that we currently
live in, which is the brain rot tick tock generation that is
singing the rizzler and saying things like crashing out.
And do you think that do you think that my friend cast wants
to watch some very wrong movie or does he want to watch

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something? With I think, I think your
friend cast wants to watch Tom Holland as an elf pick up a
sword and fight a fire breathingdragon and slay a Griffin.
That's what I think he wants to watch because I know he's a fan
of fantasy. The only Tom Holland that cast
wants to see is Tom Holland in Uncharted.

(02:27:50):
That's an adventure fantasy. He wants to see nothing.
Bull crap that you call it that is called Onward.
My movie is for the my movie means something.
Onward will mean nothing. You're right.

(02:28:12):
When we're talking about Pixar, Onward is going to be like one
of their low lights that you're right.
But you know what? Like soul.
People are going to talk about soul for years to come.
You're right, but. During an unfortunate time and
it didn't come out in theaters. I'm sorry, but audiences have
proven time and time again that they want slop.

(02:28:34):
Look at none other than the factthat the Minecraft movie is the
highest grossing film of 2025 sofar.
Audiences just want to watch some slop.
They want to turn off their brain and just have a good time.
And what tells you to have a good time more than living in a
fantasy? World so you say that, but I

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would argue that soul is so fantasy.
Soul has don't fantasy and why Iagree that you're.
Soul is fantasy for someone likeme, and I think we can both
agree that most people don't want to be in the mood that I am
most of the time. Most.
Of the time, yes, but luckily Soul is a movie that it touches

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more than just like, you know, being like dark and depressing
like it also has its high points.
And if you want to watch a moviethat makes you feel something,
watch Soul. Well, Onward does have emotion,
I just don't think it has a particularly long lasting
message the way that Seoul does.I think Onward is a wonderful
story about brotherly love and how even though you may not have

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your father, you can still have that strong male presence in
your life through an older brother.
And I would argue that that's a message we need right now during
a time when people are saying there is a crisis of masculinity
and we need more young men to have positive role models that
are older men. And you can find that an older

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brother all. Right.
I was going to say one more thing because the last 20
seconds, so I'll just take like 10 seconds in regards to like
what the question is addressing.We're addressing like what's the
best like Pixar movie to showcase?
And I think that Soul is a better Pixar movie to show.
I'm worried that could just be aDisney film you can show people.

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OK, so first of all. I know I just got washed.
I'm gonna add to my sentality. Well, you got the judge both of.
Your arguments sucked. OK Hey, like, whoa, whoa.
I felt like you guys were your worst.
My argument was amazing. Your whole argument was remember
the question? He was really working, but.

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Like I took down his movie like crazy.
I know. But the question was which movie
would you recommend to a broad audience?
You're right that that movie would hit a broad audience, but
it didn't sound like you would recommend it.
You attacked it more than Jesse did.
And for you, it's like you wouldhave one.

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But remember I said any other ones.
I circle. I said an extra creative answer
and I'm afraid I don't think youtouched on that.
I don't think my answer was crazy.
I thought you had a really good answer, but like I said, because
of that handicap I don't think you you hit the level you could
have. Honestly I felt like Dylan made
well. His answer wasn't creative, but
he made made your same point as well.

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You put an asterisk right into soul as a movie you're going to
rewatch. So now you have to put an
asterisk on onward since if you think that Dylan when you're
over and he if he wins this round, you have to put an
asterisk on onward and you have to watch onward.
Let me know what you think aboutit next episode.
I'm just slightly confused because it sounded like Jesse
ran away with this and then all of a sudden you're saying he
didn't meet the creative argument.

(02:31:46):
No, he didn't. He made a good argument for
Salt, but he didn't go above andbeyond, which is the handicap
that I placed. On he wanted a joke of.
Master class and all I can pretty much.
That's why I said like I warned him multiple times.
The ones that I circle extra, I've seen them.
You're gonna have to go a littleextra, but honestly?
I could not have made a better argument for Wally though.

(02:32:07):
I think if you would have done the same.
Level as you would have. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't have. You would have.
This is a tough one just because, like I said.
But first of all, again, the question was to a broad audience
and you said it's for the art tours, and then you contradicted
yourself and said it's for everybody.

(02:32:27):
I know you did that on purpose for a joke, but still.
Yes, this is the joke. The audience is the real
audiences were smart to understand and not not the brain
audience is don't know what I'm talking.
About Honestly, this was a difficult one just because for
one thing your last 10 seconds Iactually liked how you brought
on the older brother figure. I thought that was you should

(02:32:48):
have went with that you like. Really turned brush up.
That left, he realized he struckgold and he only had like 10
seconds to say. I finally found the thread.
Yeah, that. One was a good one.
If you would have gotten more, you would have definitely won.
This is a you. Keep saying like I would have
won, you would have won. I'm still.
Struggling because like I said, Dylan, Dylan did recommend a

(02:33:10):
same movie that would hit a broad audience, but it didn't
sound like it was a movie that he would recommend.
So that didn't answer the question.
You did do that, but you didn't hit the criteria of going above
and beyond. But I think honestly, if I had
to, I'd probably give it to you.Thank you and.
But unfortunately, it was close.It was like, I feel like if

(02:33:30):
Dylan would have gone more on that, that last 10 seconds, if
you would have started with thatfrom the beginning, he would
have beaten you. Even if it wasn't a weaker
argument, if you would have justexpanded on that more, I think
it would have been a very good. I basically had no argument in
the beginning, that's why I was focused on trying to take down.
Soul, I did notice that, yeah. Right away, it came swing.

(02:33:51):
Yeah, you were trying to take down onwards.
I came out like Cobra Kai. Yes, it's.
Like so that is win for Jesse making it 2 for one.
Well, of all these Disney films,which one do you think had the
most creative setting? That's not the question.
What the most creative setting? Not not the characters but the

(02:34:14):
the the location that it takes place for.
Though I erased a lot of them, the ones that are still on the
board are Ratatouille, Wally, Brave, Finding Dory, Coco, Luca,
Turning Red, Lightyear, Elemental and Inside out too.
And remember, the question is which one is the most creative
and the way they formed the movie.

(02:34:37):
When it comes to the camera work, when it comes to the
lighting, when it comes to the background, when it comes to the
side characters, you cannot use the main characters, the theme
or the story. It's all about the little
details that add on to the story.
You can comment how the the camera work and the background
and the extras add on to the story or add on to the theme,

(02:34:59):
but don't let that be your main focus.
Just how they get the little details in it that make a Pixar
movie stand out the the unseen details.
Ready to? And just take any pic and it's
like, remember creativity, can you pick all of them?
You can pick any. Can't pick all of them.

(02:35:19):
This is like a huge handicap. I can I can tell right now this
is an insanely difficult question.
I have no idea how it's going togo honestly.
We'll see how it turns. Out really two way.
Coco, let's. Get it?
Who's going to go first? I'll go first.
I I'll keep it brief. All right, Coco is one of the

(02:35:41):
most creative Pixar films because they had to take a
really abstract concept like Dayof the dead.
Yes, it's obvious that they did their research in terms of what
it means to the Mexican culture,but the fact is they still had
to visualize this entire holidaywith very little to go off of,

(02:36:02):
and they visualized it beautifully.
The sort of conception of the land of the dead is one of the
most striking and memorable set pieces in all of the Pixar
Canon. I would argue it is probably the
most iconic in modern Pixar fromthe 20 tens on.
It is so iconic that now if you go to places like San Diego,

(02:36:27):
they model merchandise for Day of the Dead.
After the aesthetic of Coco, that is how iconic Coco is and
how imaginative and creative it is.
There is nothing more memorable than that bridge of marigolds
that connects the land of the living to the land of the dead

(02:36:47):
there. There's nothing in Ratatouille
that is even remotely as creative or as visually
striking. I'm good.
OK, when so ratatouille. If you haven't seen the film,
it's a movie about a rat. Time to like make some
ratatouille. And right now I'm currently
speaking out of my ass as I'm trying to figure out what answer

(02:37:09):
I'm going to give to this reallycomplicated question that cast
decided to ask because he couldn't choose an easy one.
Ratatouille, man, You, you, you,I'm I'm kind of baffled, but not
baffled. I'm just, I'm, I'm taking it
back by your Coco opening like that was that was really good.

(02:37:37):
Honestly, I'm kind of starstruck.
I don't know how I'm supposed torespond.
Talk about Ratatouille and it takes place in the countryside.
It doesn't. It doesn't compare to like
argument, but I know that that'sa really good argument.
I just. Want to concede this round I.
Might just have to concede this round.

(02:37:59):
I, I know like, oh I, I, I cannot bring the passion that I
want to bring with Dewey and thelevel that he brought with Coco.
I was gonna delete erase Coco because I figured that would be
an easy question, but at the same time I was.
Like who are the side charactersaround Dewey?
I I, I erased the golden age because obviously, and then I

(02:38:22):
erased anyone we talked about like for too much just because I
didn't want repetition. For example, your golden bridge
is a good argument, but because you made it during the podcast,
I wouldn't have counted it, but you still made a really good
argument in the beginning. Keep that in mind.
Fair enough. If you spoke about it during the
podcast before, that does not help you even, no matter how

(02:38:43):
good of an argument it is. Because like again, I want you
to try something different. But I like you as a judge more
different than Dylan. So like Dylan analytical.
And you're like, yo, if you, if you made like if you turned in
like an A+ essay, Yeah, that, that should don't count anymore.

(02:39:03):
Yeah, it doesn't like be like I said, I wanted to fit the theme
of Pixar and the way that, well,the way I view it and the way
that they're trying different things, branching out, always
going up. They're they're going for a
theme, they're going for a message with every one of their
movies. But they're never do.
It's never repetitive, even liketheir sequels.
It's always different. They're they're always willing

(02:39:24):
to do something different. And that's what I want to see in
this fight because that that is the whole episode of Pixar.
And like I said, that's that's why I kept erasing so many
films, because I want you to take you guys out of your
comfort zone. It doesn't have to be a good
argument. It can be a bad argument.
As long as you believe it, as long as you're passionate about
it, as long as you love it and you're willing to argue what you

(02:39:46):
believe in. So like by me conceiving, would
you consider that like, yeah, that was really, I wasn't
expecting that type of argument.If you want me to be the one who
always has these cinephites, youknow hosts them, please comment
on that up below. And now I have a question for

(02:40:08):
you, Kat. Name your top three pick up
films. Go.
OK, that's so first of all, Incredibles is definitely my
favorite one. Next one's on top, I want to
say, you know what, I'll stick to it.
Inside Out 2 is my #2 and for the third one, this one's a
tough one. You know what?
For my third one, just because Ineed to rewatch it and I'm just
going to pick Luca just because I don't want to pick another one

(02:40:31):
from the golden age and I want to like I said, I want to try
something different and I want to rewatch it.
I feel like I didn't. I did love it when I watched it.
I feel like I could still like it more.
So that is my my 3 picks. Good choices, good choices.
I'm gonna go Monsters Inc Soul gratitude.
Really. The Incredibles Toy Story 2

(02:40:53):
Inside Out. Yeah, solid choices.
I like how like we all had different movies except for the
Incredibles. It's such a, it's a great.
Movie yeah no, it is that's why I didn't want to pick it because
I'm like you know what it'd be crazy go I have incredibles.
Wow well, gentlemen, thank you. That was something sit down with
me and you know talk films. Talk movies.

(02:41:15):
Dylan and I almost wobbled up. I'd be both gross.
But you know, there's a family, family show this episode, even
if we did get a few more than with that 20 sins on the board.
So for the final counts on The Sims board, we have 7 for Dylan,
16 for Jesse, and three for myself.

(02:41:37):
I think some of some of them arecapped.
Hold on. I agree some of them are.
I think some of mine are too actually.
You still have more than 10. That's just me though.
Allegedly. Well, some of them are.
No, I erased the ones that I gave.
Just I would write 1 down just to get a reaction of Dylan so he
would curse at me. And he left it there.
No, I erased it. No, he.

(02:41:58):
Left it there. He did.
I saw him. I saw it too, with my own two
eyes. What a sword loser.
Yo, that's me. But I will concede that I lost
to Dylan this round like I lost to the man wearing the Pixar
shirt. Come on, like.
I'm that's gonna be the joke from this episode.
Yeah, like, yo, like if you wereto ask him, like, yo, here's a

(02:42:18):
Sinify is a bad man and be like,oh, I'm gonna lose to the guy
wearing the Batman shirt. You don't want that?
Nah, but. Anyways guys, I think wow we.
Spent a lot. Marathon, Marathon.
Like, and the The funny thing iswith this episode and a lot of
episodes and like that we've been doing lately is that we can

(02:42:39):
really go in more depth. About these films, we really
can. But like we had to like cut it
short because, you know, there's24 Pixar films, so we can't talk
about all of them like in depth.But I would like to revisit if.
So would I in the future actually.
Yeah, if you want to do a Pixar episode Part 2 where we go more
into depth into some of the movies, let us know what your
thoughts because we do appreciate your opinion.

(02:43:01):
That is what this is all about. Our opinions on movies and yours
matter to us and we want to hearyour thoughts on this.
So again, feel free to leave a comment wherever you can and
give us your thoughts because they'll help influence all the
decisions and the future episodes.
Well said. Well ladies and gentlemen, thank

(02:43:23):
you for coming down, sitting down and enjoying this listening
experience with the Nobodies of Hollywood featuring Dylan cast
and myself. I hope you had a pleasurable
experience. Hope you enjoy listening to our
PG13PG13. Thoughts, Opinions, facts, not
facts. Well, yeah, thank you for

(02:43:46):
listening. That's all that we have for you
today. We'll catch you next time.
Thank you to Levi for composing the intro music.
Thank you to Jesse for the artwork.
And of course, subscribe to the YouTube channel youtube.com
slash at Nightfall films. You can follow us on TikTok with
the same handle. Other than that, thank you for

(02:44:09):
listening. Peace plants.
Namaste.

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