Chasing Presence with F1: The Movie

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Be. Inspired to do things
differently? Welcome back to Below the Line
podcast, the show that proves that the best insights come from
outside the industry. I'm Dylan.
And I'm Jesse here to translate what Dylan says into English.
We are back once again to ask all the hard hitting questions
that those above the line our two media trained to delve into.

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Not us. We're the nobodies of Hollywood,
baby. Welcome back to Season 2
everyone. What it do?
Honestly, I think we nailed thatintro.
I think we did too. All right, what's up gang?
What's up, chat? It's been a minute.
I mean, it's only been a couple weeks, but what it do like as

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Dylan said, and some interestingstuff has happened while we've
been gone. You guys have been listening to
our show. The numbers have went up.
And I for one, want to take thistime to say thank you for
listening to the show. Even after we, you know, we took
a break. It's great to see, you know,

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people are actually like listening to what we have to
say. And Dylan has like some fun
statistics like hey, tell him bar our our most like our season
finale. Yeah.
So what's really interesting is that in less than two weeks, our
season finale, Mission Impossible, The Reckoning of
Cinemas, shot straight up into the top five of our most

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listened to episodes of Season 1.
Which I think is a testament to not only how much work we put
into that episode, but it's obvious that we did something
that connected with the audience.
Yup. What that?
Is. I have no idea.

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Bro, I'm telling you, like Tom Cruise, he's too fucking cool.
But yeah, everyone, thank you. Like fucking two weeks and the
last season finale, the episode 25 shot up within the top five.
Like, come on. That's that's fucking
incredible. And I, I have nothing but
gratitude and appreciation for the fans who, you know, tuned in

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to watch that episode and, you know, shot it up all the way up
to like the top five. Like damn, that's that's crazy.
It is because I don't think that's happened with any other
episode. Every other episode has been
this sort of progressive increase as it gets more and
more time to sit with the audience.

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But for whatever reason, that Mission Impossible just straight
to the top five. Yep.
So again, everyone, thank you, but we're not here to talk about
Mission Impossible if you want to, not today.
If you want to hear us talk about Mission Impossible, we
have two episodes dedicated to that over 4 hours of content.
Today we're here to go from From.

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Yes. Guys chat.
Today we're talking about F1, the movie featuring, you know,
this other really cool older dude.
Maybe not as cool as Tom Cruise,but damn, he's still cool.
And that's Mr. Brad Pitt, man. All right, it's been a while.

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How do you want to? It has.
Been a while. Yeah, how do you want to dive
into this? Well, it's, it's tough to say
because I'm going to want to tryand make this as good as it can
be. Obviously I think that's the
objective for every episode, butYep, for this one in particular

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because this is, in my opinion, the best movie of 2025.
That's a hot take of the year. I don't think it's a hot take.
Better than sinners? I do think it's better than
sinners. Interesting.
You know what, I'm gonna just play devil's advocate and
because, you know, baby, we're back for season 2.
Let's have some like, you know, a little drama in the mix.

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I think it's probably the the most like the best technical
direction directional movie madethis year.
I mean, it's it's up there because, you know, obviously we
just saw Mission Impossible, TheFinal Reckoning that 1 was
fucking great. But in terms of like visuals and
technical like aspect, I think this film is like the number one

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movie. We're going to get into it,
folks, but. Like this one.
We definitely will the. Like the camera angles, like
dude, they had to invent new cameras just to like, you know,
film some of these scenes. And you know how like fucking
small they had to make these cameras in order to fit in like,
you know, and to record at the definition that they that they

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were in. Like I think I read somewhere
that they were shooting at like like 6K or something and like
really tiny ass. Like bro, like there's a lot of
like good technical work put into this film and that's what I
think is like the best part of the year, part of the what makes
it one of the best technical films of the year.
I still think currently the bestfilm of the year is Sinners only

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because it is probably like my favorite original film that's
come out this year, but I'm going to dive into that more
later. But folks, that's where we
currently stand. But obviously we both love this
movie. Yeah, I didn't expect you to
fully agree, but I I see where you're coming from where you say
that F1 might be the most technically impressive film of

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the year. Yes, I think that's I, I don't
think that's a hot take personally.
I think that's pretty uncontested until I see a movie
that's shows me otherwise, right?
So, yeah, obviously I'm in agreement there.
I, I had AI had a feeling that you would still think Sinners is

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the best movie of the year. But when we get there, trust me,
I'm going to make the case for F1.
For sure. All right, you know what, let's
let's do what what a lot of people do and what we did for
our previous episode. Let's just give a spoiler free
basic summary of F1. OK.

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So chat for those of you who have not seen F1, the movie, it
stars Brad Pitt. You know, Mr. Too cool for
school. Yeah, yeah.
I just want to make this this commentary real quick.
Like Brad Pitt is so fucking cool, but not the not not the
like the bad ass Tom Cruise cool.

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He's like the Brad Pitt is a like if Tom Cruise is quote UN
quote typecast as this, as this grizzled, tough, charismatic
badass, Brad Pitt is typecast asthis.
How would I say, like, I don't want to call him a loser, but
like, you know, like. I think they say it best in the

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movie where he is punk rock punk.
Rock washed up, you know, a grizzled old man, but you know,
he's still charismatic as fuck and you know he's got that dog
in him. He's still pretty fucking cool,
but I think that the best thing,not the not the best example,
but just a highlight of this example and would be a different

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movie Bullet Train, where fucking like Brad, Brad Pitt
kind of plays the same characterwhere he's like he's suave and
charming and all this, but he's not Mr. Fucking Badass.
He's like, come on, guys, what are we doing?
Like but he's still a badass. Or Once Upon a Time in
Hollywood. Cliff Booth is kind of a washed

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up stuntman, but he's still extremely charismatic and I
think, as I've said in the past,I think he's the star of that
movie. Yeah, so that that's that that's
who, who Brad Pitt is in this film.
Whereas like in Mission Impossible, everyone sees like
Tom Cruise as this bad ass and they look up to him in F1.

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People like they, they look downon on Brad Pitt.
They they see him as like this washed up.
Like they they say in the film, he's not a, he's not a was.
It has been. He's never was.
Yeah. And I think that's.
That was brutal. Yeah, that was brutal, but I
think it was spot on for what they were trying to portray his
character as. So anyways, enough

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characterization, let's get intothe movie.
The movie focuses on Brad Pitt'scharacter, Sonny Hayes, and it's
a story of redemption. And I think we've seen this this
formula a lot where it's it's anunderdog story where a washed up
has been is given the opportunity to, you know, redeem

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himself in whatever event it is,whether it's a sport or like
like a legal drama or whatever like that.
This is an underdog, yes. So here, this is underdog story
with Brad Pitt at the front and center of it.
Where we see there, we don't seehis rise because he's already

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washed up. So we see like, all right, we're
not, we're not going to see his come up.
We're going to see like him try to prove to all his haters that
he's still that dude. And that's that is the spoiler
free summary. Like it's a one sentence type of
summary. We're going to get we're going
to get into it more, but that's like the premise of it.

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It's an underdog story at heart.And from the beginning it has
you rooting for Brad Pitt's character.
Like you want him to win. And I, I'm going to compare this
film a lot to or Brad, I'm goingto compare Brad, Brad Pitt's
character a lot to Tom Cruise. Unfortunately, because you know,

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there's, there's a lot of like similarities and
dissimilarities, one being that like we watch Top Gun Maverick
and right there, like Tom Cruise's character still a
fucking bad ass. No one sees him as washed up,
even like the young cadets when they haven't.
They think he's legendary. Yeah, they think he's legendary,
but some of them, like when theythink they have like an inkling

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of an idea, like, you know what,He might not be all that.
Tom Cruise just. Like schools them in the
dogfight. Practice yes, he does that and
like you know, shows them up in this movie.
There's a scene where like, you know, Brad Pitt first gets into
the F1 car and I thought it was give you like a top good
Maverick moment where where like, you know, oh, he's going
to. Expected it.

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He's. Going to fucking like 'cause the
scene before you know what guys,we're going to get to move real
soon, but I just want to explainthe scene real quick where it it
shows where Tom Cruise or not sorry, not Tom Cruise.
Brad Pitt's character shows up to the racetrack in the prior
scene. The other the young protege that
who he's going to mentor. He just he just did a lap and he

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was not able to hit one corner. So you know, he was he had two
great times and one like not so great time.
And so now when like, we see Brad Pitt being like, all right,
like I'm give me the same specs as he did, give me the same
track, I'm going to do it. And I fully expected him to, you
know, to show him up. I was like, you know what, He's
going. To I think we all did.

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Every single time he's going to match all his times and
everything and he's going to show up this young upstart that
you know, he's still the dog a chat.
He didn't he he crashed the car.He didn't even finish the lap,
but but but he still had that dog in him because the what's

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her name? Not not on her name, but like
Kate, but what did what was likethe technical?
She was the the she designed thecar.
Yeah, I wrote it down somewhere.She's the the technical
director. Technical director.
Yeah. So when he when she had like she
asked him a couple questions or she might not even ask just Brad

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Pitt right away told her like, yeah, I fucked up.
I had this here, this here, thathere and I right away was able
to like diagnose like where he where he made his mistakes.
But see, that's the key difference is that even though
we didn't get the scene we expected with Sonny showing up,
JP, Joshua, whatever you want tocall him, what we clearly see in

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the scene is that Sonny has a more intuitive feel.
Yes, for the car. Yes.
He knows what's wrong with it. He knows what needs to be
improved. Yep.
Whereas JP is kind of the new age data guy.
Yeah. All he cares about is the
numbers and the feedback that isgiven to him through technology.

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Yeah. And I think like that, that made
for like an interesting, like an, an, an interesting theme
with that like throughout the story where you see it's kind of
like the old school punk rock versus like the new age.
What's the word? The new age.
Fuck. What?
What is the genre that Skrillex makes?

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Oh, dubstep, EDM. Yeah.
The, the new age EDM dubstep. Yeah.
That's that's the comparison I'mgoing to make the old school
punk rock versus new school EDM dubstep that that's what we see.
And I think that's, I mean, for one, that makes for an
interesting story, you know, because if if feeds into the

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underdog story, like, all right,this washed up old school dude.
Can you compete, you know, with how racers are driving today?
Because it's, it's similar to tolike any sport, but I'm going to
lean into basketball where NBA players back in the day, very
back in the day and were like inthe 60s, seventies and they

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still had day jobs. And then they, they played NBA
like NBA basketball versus todaylike NBA players.
It's their full time jobs. They have like the facilities
and the technology and the data to like, you know, be it like to
perform at the highest level that they possibly can.
And that's similar to here because we see JP like, as you

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said, he runs the numbers. He does all these simulation
tests. He runs on the treadmill with
like the all, like the fucking diagnostics.
Yeah, I saw that scene and I waslike, yo, Dylan, this is
something Dylan would fucking do.
I have done a VO2 Max test. Fucking called it.
Meanwhile we see Sonny Haige is running on the track and doing
push ups. You know, the old school way.

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Yeah. All right, let's get into the
movie now. All right, I gave I gave Chad
the basic plot. Now spoiler free.
We're about, you know, 15 minutes in.
Let's let's we're going to dive into spoilers.
The movie is already streaming, ladies and gentlemen.
That's something that happens when you film a season 2 and you

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take a break in between. It should start streaming.
So ladies and gentlemen, after this episode, you can go stream
this movie or you can pause the episode here, stream the movie,
and then come back and listen tolike, you know, our deep dive
analysis. Yeah.
Here we go. How do you want to start?

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What do you want to get into like?
What do I want to start with? I, I think there's, there's so
many interesting things about this movie because it, like you
said, it feels like a very familiar formula where it's the
redemption of. It's called Formula One for a

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reason A. Washed up character, but like
you said, that what makes Sonny Hayes unique is that he he
really wasn't a has been becausehe never had the chance to take
off really in his career. He was a promising driver, but
you know, there some was something tragic that happened

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and that resulted in him not becoming the driver that
everybody thought he could have been.
So in in a way, there is this layer of it.
It's not solely about redemption, it's about Sonny

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proving to himself that he is who he thought he was.
Because I think there's there's an interesting theme here in F1
about identity and how how difficult it can be when you tie

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your sense of self so closely toa pursuit and then that pursuit
is taken away from you, how muchthat can actually damage you.
Right. No, I agree.
What's interesting is that even though after Sonny's accident,

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he he, he stops doing F1 for a real like 30 years.
He's he, he he quote, UN quote retires from the sport, but he
never retired from racing. The opening scene has them
doing. It's the 24 Hours of Daytona.
Yes, the 24 hours of. Daytona like it's an endurance
race. Yeah.

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So that that's the opening scenewhere it has like Sunny doing
that and then we see him like after after the race, he wins,
you know, obviously, because he's he's a fucking G.
So he wins and he and the the team director of the team lead.
He wants to recruit Sonny full time on the team and Sonny's
like, no, you know, our deal like a right away.

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It like the the movie presents itself as like Sonny only does
like one race and he moves on tothe next race because as he's
leaving that that area and he's washing his clothes at some
laundromat, it shows him like, you know, researching like the
newspapers or has he has an ad for another race, which is not
the Daytona. It's some different.

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It's some. Beach race.
And yeah, it's some like a different type of race.
Buggy race? Yeah, it's.
Giving you hints already that like Sonny Hayes, he, he while
he, you know, has retired from F1, he still has a passion for
racing and he'll race like thesedifferent races that that are so

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different from each other. Like, yes, it is yes, it is a
competitive sport where driving cars is involved, but the rules
are all different. Obviously the beach, like the
buggy racing is way different than the Daytona, you know,
endurance test racing, which is way different than F1 formula
racing. So it's it's an interesting like

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side that we're seeing to sunny,like as you said, like part of
his identity, like yeah, he he gives up F1, but he never gave
up racing. And I thought that that was an
interesting, like something interesting that they
highlighted about his character because, you know, like to jump
ahead of the movie a bit. He only does like the Formula
One. He only does it for that one

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season. And then he fucks off to go do
the the Baja race that, you know, that was hinted at at the
beginning of the movie. Then you already know that he's
just going to do his one race and then move on to something
else. Like it shows that he at the end
of the day, like his core thing is he he loves the thrill of
racing. He says it to Kate later on that

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he feels like when he's racing, sometimes he can feel like he's
flying. And I think that that's, that's
what he's pursuing. He's pursuing like that feeling
of flight where like everything just he zones in and he's locked
in and it's like, I'm going to say like it's like a runner's
high almost. And I think that was like really
interesting for his character. OK, I guess we're going there

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right now. Yeah, let's get us.
Let's dive into the characters. I guess we'll go.
I guess we're going there right now.
I've seen some people say that Brad Pitt was miscast as Sonny
Hayes in this movie, or some people say that they didn't
really understand what his character was trying to do.

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And to those people, I say it's pretty obvious you do not
understand the movie. And I I don't like that
argument. I'm not a fan of saying you
didn't understand this thing because it always just kind of
rubs me the wrong way because itmostly comes off as a sort of

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non starter to say that I liked this thing, you didn't and I
feel attacked. So I'm going to say you just
didn't understand it. But seeing the reaction to this
movie, I, I genuinely do not think a lot of people understood
what was going on here. You broke down a lot of Sonny's

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character right now. And I think it's it's important
to consider all of those things because this movie hit really,
really close to home for me. I watched this movie, thankfully
in a theater, but I watched it in the middle of my injury, so I

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wasn't running at the time when I watched F1.
And the scene that you're talking about, the scene where
he and Kate are in Vegas, they had just slept together.
And then, of course, he's on thebalcony later that night,
looking out at the city, all stoic and pensive like the cool
guy he is. He and Kate have this

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conversation where he says it's not about the money, it's not
about the accolades, it's not about the attention, It's about
the feeling. It is about this, this feeling
of weightlessness, like you said, he describes it as his

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heart rate slows down. He feels like he's flying and
it's just there's this feeling of almost becoming one with the
car. Like, he completely loses his
sense of self because he is so present with the race, with the

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drive. And it's I just don't understand
how people don't know what this movie's doing.
It's so clear that this movie isis championing the idea of
everyone being able to find thatform of pure unadulterated

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expression for the individual. That's that's what Sonny's
after. Like that's who he is as a
person. It isn't about the outcome, it's
about the process. And that sounds very sort of

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preachy. It sounds almost kind of
Wellness guru coming for me. But the truth is, I don't think
you are really going to get on the same wavelength as F1 unless
you have that outlet in your life where you have that same

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feeling that Sonny does when he's driving, right?
And I, I think that's why the movie like really, really spoke
to me, right? Especially too, because towards
the end of the film, Sonny really has to fight Reuben to
race in the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

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And he tells Reuben, if I die out there on that race track,
then I'll die a happy man. Yeah.
Like I can't think of a better way to go out.
Right. Yeah, no, I think Sonny
exemplifies, he practices what he preaches.
Like as you mentioned, he doesn't care about the

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accolades. He doesn't care about the money
in the beginning of the movie. He's living out of a big ass
like Van. He's not loaded.
Like, yes, he makes prize money from these races, but he's not
rolling in dough like an, and like an, an interesting, like
parallel to is like his, his friend Ruben.
They were both, yeah, 30 years ago.

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They were both young, up and coming racers.
And obviously, like after Sunday's accident, he went off
the deep end. They, they don't show his past,
but they do like talk about it. He went off the deep end.
He gambled for a while, lost a lot of money.
I think he was like married and divorced twice or thrice and you
know, like they pay like he's been like, you know, down on his

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luck. But one thing that he never like
stopped doing or like lost sightof was his passion for racing.
And then Rick Rubin, like he went off to like become a
billionaire. He was able to buy a sports team
and that's why he's able to he wants to recruit Sonny because
he knows that he's still like deep down that guy.

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And I think, like, you know, that you hit it perfectly, like
this is like the story of Sonny's character.
Or I guess like the story arc ofSunny is like, you know, chasing
that, that feeling like that. You said the process matters
more than the outcome. Even at the end where Sunny wins
like the fucking Grand Prix, he doesn't even want to touch the

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trophy. He's like, you know, give it to
that guy, give it to you, give it to Ruben.
Like I think, he says in the beginning of the movie, like I
don't touch. Trophy bad luck.
I don't think that's true. I think he's just saying that
just so he doesn't have to do it, but it shows that he doesn't
care about, you know, the yes, he cares about winning, but he
doesn't care about the accolades.
Like the cheering. Like though, yeah, it's a

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reoccurring theme that he tells like JP like, hey, like the
media like they're just noise. Tune it out.
Like why are you smiling? And you know, you you got like
last place or whatever place, like why are you smiling for the
media dancing for them? Like tune it out.
It's just noise. And I think that's reflective of
his character and how you're saying, like people who didn't

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get this movie, I'm not going tocall you idiots, but maybe
rewatch it again. And if you don't get the movie,
then I will call you an idiot. And that's not to be.
That's not because it's not because I'm trying to be a Dick
or anything, But this movie is not a deep movie.
Like yes, you, we can dive deep into it, but I think it does a

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very good job of like showing you what does this movie is
about. Like it's like you said, it's
like it's pretty obvious, guys. It's right there in your face.
Yeah. So something that I think is is
interesting too, is that with Sonny, we see a perfect example

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of something that's called identity foreclosure, which is a
psychological term that applies not just to sports psychology,
but it applies to people who overly identify with like their
profession or their role in life.

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Like if you tell yourself I am arunner and your career ends,
people usually have a really hard time post professional
career because they don't know who they are outside of that,
right? I think what we hear of Sonny's

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back story, what happened to himafter the accident, the way that
he sort of comported himself or the way that his life unfolded
is he was very much adrift. Like he didn't know who he was
outside of this idea of who he was supposed to be because he's

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he's so caught up in the sort ofexpectations that existed 30
years ago. But like you said, it's what
makes it so I think interesting and, and maybe this is the
reason some people find it hard to digest is he never lost the

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love of, of racing driving. They even mentioned in the movie
that he spent some time as a NewYork City cab driver.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think a lot of people,
maybe they're getting lost in this idea of having that, that
form of just this pure expression.

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But Sonny continued to race eventhough he never raced in Formula
One. Right.
To me, I think what's pretty obvious again is that Sonny was
afraid to race Formula One not because of the health issues,
which we learned that he has a lot.

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He wasn't afraid because of his health issues.
He wasn't afraid because of the fact that he couldn't race.
We see that he can. He was afraid because he what he
was really afraid of was that hewouldn't live up to this
idealized version of himself that he once thought.

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Because early in the film, Reuben shows Sonny, a magazine
were there on the cover as youngF1 drivers, and Reuben asked
him, what would he want? This is, you know, this is right
when Reuben is trying to convince Sunny to come join Apex
GP and Sunny says something that's very jaded.

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Sunny doesn't go back to F1 because he's scared of failing,
not because he can't do it, not because he doesn't want to
drive. This is something that's so, so
common. I don't know how people didn't
understand this, I genuinely don't.

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What? That that he was.
You know what? Yeah.
No. Keep going.
I know. I understand what you're saying,
but break it down. I explain it to, you know, like
there's a celebrator for this. Explain it if I as if I was 5.
OK. Like for the people out there
who who didn't get it here, here's here's Professor Dylan
about to break it down. OK, Sonny was a really promising

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F1 driver 30 years ago. He had a terrible accident.
Yes, there was obviously physical damage, but those
physical wounds healed. He didn't return to Formula One,
but he continued to drive for the next 30 years.
And I think this is where peopleare getting sort of lost, maybe
in the sort of thematic messaging of the film.

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It's not that Sonny didn't want to drive, it's that he was
scared that he would never become that guy on the magazine
cover. I mean, it's, it's just so
obvious to me that Sonny once thought of himself as, as you

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said, that guy in Formula One, but he never had the chance to
prove it. All of that was just taken away
from him. He was someone who had a lot of
potential, the world at his fingertips, and it was just
ripped away. And even though he had the
opportunity to go back and stillpursue that, it is the fear that

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maybe it was never possible in the 1st place that held him
back. Right, Yeah, I think, I think
you're spot on in that the I think Sonny, his character, like
mentally and when he when he came to F1, he mentally, he was
stuck back 30 years ago. Like that trauma, like yes, his

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wounds yield, but like that trauma never went away.
So he like, you know, distractedhimself with gambling, chasing
women and getting married and divorced and then like, you
know, racing and like, you know,still driving.
But he never went back to F1 because I like like you're
saying like he was he he was mentally, he was stuck back

(33:29):
there. And he when Ruben was when Ruben
was trying to recruit him to come back, he had a really hard
time saying yes. And I think just I think that I
don't even think he spent that hard, like thinking about it.
I think he just decided right tojust like the morning of Fuck
it, I'll go because we don't seehis decision making process.

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Like Reuben leaves out of the Cafe before he leaves or I'm
sorry, diner. But before he leaves, he puts
like a first pass ticket to, youknow, to fly over to where his
team is AT. And he leaves it there for, for
Sonny. And Sonny looks up at the
waitress and he asks her, like, if you had something like, if
something like, if an opportunity was too good to be

(34:12):
true, I was presented to you, what would, like, what would you
do? And she asked him like, right
back, like, well, what is it? And he can't really answer and
and scene next scene, boom, he'sin he flies over and like that's
that's where he's introduced to JP and the AP and the apex team.
But we we never see like his thought process of like why he

(34:34):
decided to go. It's revealed like it's
revealed. I'm sorry, it's not even
revealed. You just have to watch the movie
and like, just like learn and figure out like, what kind of
person is Sunny to the point where you can like, understand,
like, all right, he went back because he wanted to, like, 1,
like to redeem himself and two, to like to prove to himself more

(34:55):
than anybody that he still belongs, that he still belongs
on the racetrack, that he is still, you know, that he could
still be that F1 driver that he wanted to be all those years
ago. Like this is a story.
I mean, it's a story of many things, but it's also a story
of, like, you know, confronting your past and, you know, trying
to live up to the expectations that you had once set for

(35:17):
yourself and learn to, you know,forgive yourself a bit.
I can tell you why Sonny made the decision to race for Apex
GP. What is it?
We don't need to see his decision making process because
it's told to us throughout the rest of the film.
I think even though we don't geta lot of Sonny's back story, I

(35:37):
think the details that we do get, specifically the fact with
the gambling addiction and the several failed marriages, what
you see is that Sonny likely, I'm making an assumption based
off the information we do get inthe movie.

(35:57):
Sonny was likely a very arrogantand selfless person when he was
younger, and the reason he makesthe decision to return to race
in F1 is because Reuben asked him to.
Because even though he says at the very beginning of the film
that they weren't really friends, they raced against each

(36:21):
other, not with each other. The difference here this time is
I is that Sonny has matured. He's had enough race experience
to learn that the pursuit of excellence in order to achieve
greatness, it takes a village. And you see this through the way

(36:47):
that Sonny interacts with everyone at Apex GP.
Yeah, Even though when he first shows up, he's kind of, you
know, he's kind of joking with everybody.
Yeah. And he pretends like he doesn't
care. But the minute he actually
becomes a part of the team, he clearly respects Kate, even

(37:10):
though he obviously does things by his own rules.
He respects the team president when they come up with the race
strategy. And it's just night and day in
terms of how Sonny interacts with everyone on the team
compared to the way JP interactswith them.

(37:32):
He treats JP, treats everything is transactional.
Look at the way that he blows upat that girl over the pit stop
and Sonny tells her, hey, you know, don't worry about it.
Forget about this guy. And yeah, she kind of pushes
back, saying, like, I appreciatethat, but don't do it again
because it makes me look like I need someone to step up for me.

(37:56):
But the point is that Sonny realizes that in order to
actually achieve this goal of winning a Grand Prix, he cannot
do it by himself. And I think just what we're told
throughout the movie is that's how he has raced in the past.

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That's why he's never really, you know, had that that feeling.
That's why he's never really been satisfied by everything.
That's why he's constantly jumping from place to place
because he's never really connecting with any of these
people or the team. But when he gets to Apex, he has

(38:43):
to put his trust in Kate. He has to put his trust in
Ruben, in the pit crew, in the team president, in even JP.
Like we see, despite all of the things that we're told, Sonny
repeatedly makes the decision tomentor JP even though he, in my

(39:05):
opinion, he didn't deserve it. The kids a piece of shit.
I mean, but I think also he's a reflection of like, you know who
Sonny used to be. I mean, sure, like in a modern
age, but yeah, like it's, it's basically Sunny like mentoring
himself if he was younger and like, yeah, like when he was
younger, he was like that hot shot.
Like, dude, he probably had a temper.

(39:25):
We don't know because we don't see him racing back in the day.
But he was probably like, you know, as arrogant as JP was back
in the day. Yeah, I agree.
That's why I said I think you can just make inferences
throughout the movie about Sonny's back story.
You can fill in the blanks. Given all of the present day
storytelling, I don't think we need this long exposition back

(39:51):
story dump for Sonny. Yeah.
So yeah, the point is, I think you can see Sonny becoming more
and more selfless, learning thathe has to rely.
On the team, he has to rely on people other than himself in
order to actually achieve this goal.

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They have this refrain in the movie that F1 is the only sport
in the world where you can say that you know, after one race
you were the best in the world. I thought it was pretty.
Fucking yeah. Yeah.
So it's like, in order to becomethe best in the world, it can't
just be me, you know? It has to be A-Team of people

(40:37):
and this is true for anything, it's true for a job, it's true
for other athletic endeavours and of course to me I'm always
going to go back to running likepeople think.
It's a very individual sport andin a lot of respects it is for
you to carry out the race. But you need to surround

(40:58):
yourself with good people. I guarantee you that these
really elite, high level performers, they aren't doing
everything by themselves, despite what you want to think
like, that's just not how it works.
In order to actually pursue greatness, you need to surround

(41:21):
yourself with good people and that's what Sunny does.
That's why Sunny is able to sortof recoup.
I don't even want to say the loss because he he really never
did have the chance to become someone special in Formula One.

(41:41):
But after the injury that JP has, we start to see Sonny
progressively rise and rise in the ranks of all these races,
even though he never wins until the very end.
But the reason that happens is because Sonny develops these

(42:02):
connections with the team. Like you said, at first he
starts to run the track that they race on every day in the
morning. But as the movie goes on,
everybody starts to join him, and you just start to see he
makes these connections. It takes a village, you know,

(42:25):
you need that sense of communityin order to fuel the excellence.
And that's what I'm taking away from Sonny's character arc is
that, like you said, JP is likely our best sort of
representation of what Sonny waslike 30 years ago, just in a

(42:46):
modern setting, right? But that's you see the change in
Sonny, like he realizes what he has to do, like the character
arc unfolds. It's just not presented in a
traditional manner. And and I just think that all

(43:08):
these people criticizing Sonny Hayes, all these people
criticizing Brad Pitt, you don'tunderstand the movie.
Like I, I, I again, I don't likethat argument, but I just it.
I just don't think they do. Yeah, I think there's, there's a
lot of parallels and between like Sonny Hayes character and
JP, what was like the the psychology term.

(43:30):
You just dropped identity foreclosure.
Identity foreclosure. I think, I think we see that
with, with JP because he's youngand he's on a, he's on a, an
underdog team that's like that is running the risk of being
sold. And if it's sold then his career
is over. So he has, you know, he's, he's

(43:51):
like developing like that crisisof, you know, what am I without
F1? And that's exactly why he's
never won anything until Sunny shows up.
That and I once I mentioned thatlike and like so like that's
like the our current, like, you know, our current representation
or our current like, you know, view of like his character, like

(44:11):
he has identity crisis. And then we see Sunny who he is,
he is JP if he never made it, but you know, with an injury.
So like then the injury is why he never made it.
But for whatever reason, like wecan just say like Sonny is who
JP would have been if he didn't make it, you know, he would have

(44:31):
gone off the deep end, probably like gambled and did all this
other shit. But at the end of the day, like
Sonny was able to like still find his, but I was on the
trail, like, you know, he was able to find his reason for
being like racing. It's not F1 that makes like,
it's not F1 that defines Sunny. It's racing.
Like racing is his identity. But no matter the car, no matter

(44:54):
like the type of race racing, isit JP at the like, at the start
of the movie, he's still young. And so he only has like, you
know, that identity. Like, if I'm not an F1 racer,
what am I? Yeah.
So I think like that. Like, that's an interesting
parallel. And yes, his arrogance in a way
is like, it shows that like Thisis why he's never won anything,

(45:16):
because he tries to win by himself, not with the village.
And it's because he cares so much about the outcome, like you
said, especially because the team is under threat of being
sold. He feels this desperation to
win, but he doesn't want to win for the right reasons.

(45:36):
He wants to win to prove that he's good, so he can peace out
and race for a better team. Yeah, that's not going to get
you there. Nope.
And so, yeah, then so that's like that's kind of like the
back story of like this movie leading up to like, you know,
the actual movie. Sonny comes in, there's like a
mentorship that starts to happennow you're a conventional

(45:59):
mentorship. Yeah, yeah.
Like, oh, man, both of these characters, they are swanning it
off to each other. And if you don't know what that
term means, you got to watch F1 to find out what it means.
But it's it's interesting to seelike Sonny at first, he's
butting heads with JP. He like, and I like that because

(46:25):
it shows the progression of boththese characters were like, you
know, we see Sonny's night night, not even like the first
race, his first practice, he crashes the car and then like
the first race, he, he, he, he hasn't joined like the village
yet because like the team's telling him like, hey, let let
let JP pass you because you know, he's got better a better

(46:47):
chance of winning or blah, blah,blah, blah.
Sonny, you know, he wants to win.
JP wants to win. So what is that result?
Like this dissonance where like they both don't win.
They both crash into you're not crashing through each other, but
like they both hit each other sothat they both spiral spun the
spin out and neither of them areable to complete the race.

(47:07):
Like there is no harmony and that's the first race.
There's 10 races in the movie. So from there we see that the
progression of like, you know, like them working as a team and
all this. But I like that from at the very
beginning, Oh, there's a clash between these two like these
these ideologies of like, you know, old school punk rock and
new age dubstep. Yeah.

(47:31):
But like, I want to get back to Sonny, but I want I want to talk
a little bit about JP just because I think in this movie,
these are the only two characters that get any type of
like depth. That is, I think kind of one
like the weaknesses about the film is that like a lot of the
side characters, they're not giving much depth.

(47:54):
And I'm not asking for like a lot of depth, but like, like I
said, I was I was going to compare like this more, not, not
not this movie, but like someoneto compare Brad Pitt to Tom
Cruise a lot and like the work he has been in Top Gun Maverick.
Like those side characters had way more depth.
And it's not like they were likethe focus of the film, but they
were given more like, you know, death then then we got with F1.

(48:17):
Like I think Kate was kind of like wasted potential.
So like when we get to her, like, I'm not going to have much
to say. It's like the main focus is
basically sunny NJP who ah, what's his character's name like
Damien or Dame? Oh, damson ninjas, Damson
ninjas. Yeah, before, prior to this
movie, I only knew him from likethe TV show Snowfall did not.

(48:40):
What's his biggest role? Yeah, prior to this.
Did not know that dude was British like he him and fucking
house like they're they're American accents like all right,
they fuck. What are, what are we doing
hiring all these British actors that play American?
But anyways, like, I think I, I think he plays like the role of
like that prick, like really fucking good.

(49:02):
And they was still interesting that even though he was kind of
a douchebag, I thought it was sweet that they humanized him
with like his mom, Like he was his, he, he was a prick, but
with his mom, like I thought, I thought I was really sweet that
they, they included her character like, you know, as a
way to humanize them. Because if his mom was not

(49:24):
there, oh bro, this, this, this dude would have been such a
fucking asshole that it would have been really hard to like
him as like a character. But thank God he had a mom there
because, you know, leveled them out.
And I think his character arc isit mirrors Sonny's in that, you
know, besides the fact that likethey're both similar or

(49:47):
whatever, their careers take different trajectories.
Just because Sonny had no one tomentor him.
JP does, even though he doesn't like it by the end of the film,
like they're able to work together and Sonny, JP for the
tenth race or I'm sorry for race#9 Sonny gets into an accident.

(50:13):
And that's where where Ruben finds out.
You know, he's that, that Sonny has like this medical condition
from back in the day. He shouldn't even be allowed to
race. So he kicks him off the team.
So now it's just JP and the village and what does he do?
Puts on his running shoes and like goes running with
everybody. Like he started.
So you know, he joined the village.

(50:34):
He does what like Sonny was likedoing with everybody, like
running first thing around the track first thing in the
morning. Like we see like JP, because of
Sonny's mentorship, he's able tobecome like the racer that he
was. I'm not going to say he was
destined to be, but that he had the potential to be.
And if it wasn't for Sunny, he wouldn't have gotten to that

(50:56):
point. And I like how the film ends
where but you know, Sunny is ultimately the one who wins.
But JP was right there. They're within like the top
three. So like the character arcs that
these characters go through, I think they're very well done and
they're given a lot of depth. My only like criticism of the

(51:18):
other characters is that all thedepth went into both Sonny Hayes
and Joshua Pierce. I had a tough time liking JP
even as he is, even with his momthere.
I really could not stand him. And maybe part of that was his
British accent, but. Damn.

(51:41):
But yeah, obviously he put he plays such a significant role in
the film, not just to show the audience what Sonny was like.
I mean, Ruben even says so that that Sonny was like JP when he
was younger after the first race.
But yeah, so JP serves as a hugerole in the film, not just as a

(52:09):
character, but thematically. But I, Oh my gosh, it's so hard
to like the guy. But I mean, as you said, it is
pretty clear that even though heis receiving this sort of
reluctant mentorship from Sunny by that final race in Abu Dhabi,

(52:30):
when he is running around the track with the entire team, it's
obvious that the lessons that Sunny has imparted are
resonating with him. And, you know, Sonny is giving
JP the chance to live up to his own potential because there is a

(52:53):
race in the movie, I forget which one.
There are a lot of races in thismovie.
Like unlike a lot of sports movies like the, the racing is
actually kind of a focal point of F1 here.
But there is one race where JP sort of Rams Sonny after JP

(53:16):
comes back from his injury. Oh yeah, yeah.
And it cost both of them some decent positioning in that race.
And JP is, you know, that's whenhe kind of has another moment
with the media and he's like waving at them.
And Sonny, you know, shoves him and he's like, what the hell are

(53:36):
you doing out there? You know, like, I've seen a ton
of guys with your talent come and go like nothing ever.
They make nothing of themselves.Guys with more talent than you.
I've seen them come and go. And Sonny tells him, you know,
you want to throw that all away,go ahead.
But like, do it, you know, do itfor you.

(53:58):
Like, because if you want to putpeople in jeopardy who have
sacrificed their time, their hard work, their effort for you,
like, Kate, you know, building the car, Ruben, who backed you,
that's not, you know, that's notOK.
Yeah. Like when you have people who

(54:18):
have a stake in this as well andyou're out there fucking around
and possibly costing them their livelihood, that's unacceptable.
But if you want to just throw your talent away, by all means,
go ahead. Sonny is helping JP become the
driver that he has the potentialto be.

(54:39):
I don't think JP becomes the driver in that last race in Abu
Dhabi where he is in position one for a good portion of the
race without Sonny's mentorship throughout the movie.
No, I agree. And I think like that scene
where you're describing like that, that shows like 1, Sonny's

(55:01):
maturity and two, like just where JP is at, like mentally,
like he's still like that cocky,arrogant, like hotshot that he
thinks he is. Which, you know, it's kind of
like a faulting of all youth. Like we all think we're hot shit
when we're younger. It's not until like, we're
older, we gain like perspective and that maturity because even
Sonny, like in the beginning, itwasn't until after the first

(55:22):
race where he calls up Reuben, like at 3:00 AM, he's like, all
right, tell me everything about the kid.
Like he, like Sonny did not wantto mentor JP.
But you know, after that first race, he's like, he calls Reuben
up. Like tell me, tell me everything
about the kid. Like, that's where he like Sonny
takes it upon himself, like, youknow, to be the responsible
mentor figure for JP because he did not have that.

(55:46):
I think J or I think Sonny 30 years ago would have reacted the
same way as JP did because he had no mentor and.
I agree. You know, JP isn't as
charismatic as like, you know, Brad Pitt.
So, you know, I think that's whyit's harder to like him because,
you know, he doesn't have that charisma that Brad Pitt like
naturally has. No, like, dude just just walks

(56:08):
in like the whole room. Dear dude does not.
But. No.
But I think it was like, I thinkit was like really interesting,
just showing how arrogant both of these characters are and once
were because like, yeah, after Ithink it was like race 5 or it

(56:30):
might have been somewhere in themiddle, but there's a race where
Sonny is Co and I'm not coaching, but he's like telling
telling, like, like telling likeF1 is an interesting sport.
I didn't know like they communicate with radios and
shit. Like they're they're they're in
constant communication with liketheir team.
And so, like in the race, Sonny is telling him like he tells

(56:50):
like the team, Hey, tell JP likenot to pass like, you know, the,
the, the car in front of him until like after, you know, this
curve or whatever at when once, once it's a straight shot, just
just take it. And the team communicates that
to JP. And he doesn't.
Listen and he doesn't listen andwhat happens that's.
What caused him the? Accident.
Yep, that's the accident. And JP is so arrogant that you

(57:14):
know, like after when he's in the hospital, like the mom calls
Sonny to talk to him. She tells him like next time you
risk my son's life like that, blah, blah, blah.
Basically going off on him. Like I will put you in the
hospital. And JP is awake.
He was asleep, but he's awake and he's hearing his mom go off
on Sonny and I was confused because I was like.
That's the real reason that I don't really fuck with JP like.

(57:37):
We get into the bottom of it was.
The moment that I decided I do not like this guy because he
knows damn well that Sonny told him do not pass on that stretch
where he tried. Yeah.
Sonny told him to wait, communicated that to the team
and they relayed it to JP but hedidn't listen.

(58:01):
And then he doesn't tell his momthe truth like he is lying by
omission. Yeah, I didn't like that.
Scum. Shit you feel strongly about.
Yes. But yes, like that happens and
you know, fucking Sonny, like a fucking champ, he just takes it.
He doesn't correct there. He's just like, yes, ma'am, like

(58:21):
he doesn't say anything. And it's not until you know,
like Sonny, like he's he's he's kicked off the team by Ruben and
JP is like doing, you know, his new age training with the
simulations where he decides to like, you know, he he's redoing
like that race where that happened.
And he keeps on failing until like the last attempt where he's
like, let me like listen to whatSonny says and he's able to

(58:45):
complete it. And he's like, shit, he was
right. That's when he goes to his mom
and like, you know, tells her like, hey, it was my decision.
Like Sonny had nothing to do with it.
I feel like by that point it wastoo late.
Like the mom had already said what she said and it had already
been weak because this is like when she has said what she said.
This is before like, you know, Sonny starts like moving up the

(59:06):
ranks and all that. Like we get we at at that point
of the film, we it's kind of like montaging the races.
But so like, yeah, I feel like it's a little bit like little
too little too late because likethe moth went off on Sunny.
Yeah. And I feel like she owed, she
owed him an apology after that. We didn't get that, but Sunny
had deserved an apology like right after.

(59:26):
Like she found out like, hey, itwas my dumb ass son that made
the decision to like, you know, that cost him to be hospitalized
for a couple weeks, not Sunny. Like Sunny was actually like
trying to like. Protect him, yeah.
You know youth. Yeah.
Like he eventually JP does come around and like he does become

(59:48):
like, you know, an overall better race and better person
after like the influence of Sonny, like after he decides so,
you know, let him. In definitely.
Because yeah, like even after hecomes back from after JP comes
back from his injury, like you mentioned it like the the very
first race, like he scuffs like he he but like on purpose hits

(01:00:10):
Sonny's car. So he like, you know, gets off
the track and shit like, and he's like that was intentional.
And it's like, and like that's where Sonny went off and him
like, you're fucking up this forthe team like.
Knock and knock it off. But yeah, like these characters,
man, I think we spent the last, like, hours just talking about
these two specific characters. So let me like run down the

(01:00:33):
other minor characters who, you know, I kind of wish they would
have had more development. First one, first and first and
foremost, foremost being Kate. I did not like the romance like
the romance subplot that she ended up having with Sonny
Hayes. Like it, it reminded me, you
know what it reminded me of Mission Impossible 2 where like

(01:00:55):
that romance like it did not work.
It added nothing to the plot like cuz at the end, at the end
like they both go their separateways.
Sonny, you know, does his own thing.
Kate still stays on the team. So it's kind of like what was
the point of them sleeping together?
Like there was like no point behind it.
It kind of felt forced. They, I feel like it undermined

(01:01:17):
Kate's character because, you know, she was the one saying I
make it a rule not to sleep with, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So it's like you paint this picture of like this strong
independent woman who gets divorced because like, she was
an engineer at Lockheed Martyrs.Lockheed Martyrs.
Military vehicles like they makethe F eighteens in Top Gun

(01:01:40):
Mavericks. She like, so, yeah.
So she goes from that role to anF1 team director, and that ends
up being, like, the reason for her divorce.
So it's like, you're like, the movie paints her as, like, you
know, this strong willed individual who like, also, like
Sonny is like, in the pursuit ofher own craft.
And I feel like they kind of dampens it by, like, having

(01:02:00):
like, that romantic subplot thatleads nowhere.
I feel like that and that could have been cut out and given you
could they could have given Katemore development.
I disagree. I'm not going to say I don't
you. Didn't even know why you did
that. It's not that.
I disagree that they could have given Kate more development.
I disagree about the romance subplot.

(01:02:22):
You think it was better than Mission Impossible too?
Oh yeah, that's crazy. By like 1000 times.
That's crazy. I wasn't.
I was still zero. I was pretty.
I was pretty OK with the romancesubplot between Sonny and Kate.
Because sometimes that's just how it goes.
Like, sometimes two people are thrust into a situation together

(01:02:44):
and you kind of get swept up in the sensation of romance rather
than being grounded in actually having a relationship with this
person. And then you just kind of part
ways. Like, I found it to be pretty
realistic. Like sometimes that just
happens. You know what, when we were

(01:03:06):
watching or when we talked aboutBritney runs a marathon, you
were like, you know what runningclubs are where everybody goes
to fuck. This felt like that.
It's like, yeah, hold on, we came here to race guys.
This is a team sport. Well, I mean, I, I get what
you're saying. Like, yeah, it makes sense, but
I, I, I didn't like it. I feel like it didn't, it didn't

(01:03:27):
really add anything to like the story.
And I feel like that time could have been used more for like
developing her character, another character.
I felt that was very underutilized or maybe not
underutilized, but it felt like they were trying to give her
like a bigger role in the movie.And I don't know if maybe she
had extra scenes that were cut out or whatever, but the, the

(01:03:48):
pit girl, the one with the tires, like the one that makes
like the first mistake she has like her kind of like her own
mini arc where, you know, she's,she's fumbling a lot in the
beginning. And like she makes that mistake
where she leaves the, the, the tour on the ground that JP ends
up running over and messing up with his tires.
And then like, you know, we see a progression of getting better

(01:04:10):
and then toward like the end of the film, like, you know, she's
able to like do it real quick, real fast.
And I think it was very poignantthat like, they showed her like
once she was done, like, you know, switching out the tires,
she points the tool straight up,like she learned from her
mistake. And I thought that was very
telling. But I feel like her specific
character, I feel like there wasa story there, but we didn't get

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it. So I feel like her character was
also under utilized and everybody else like you know,
Ruben and like everybody else, all right, I can understand like
them not getting a lot of development, but I felt these
two women characters, I feel like they could have been
developed a bit better. I'm not going to disagree with

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you because yeah she does have her own little mini character
arc about finding confidence andembracing her role in this team.
But with Kate, what I would say is I would argue that Kate does
adhere to her values by continuing to stay with Apex GP.

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If she wasn't so strong willed she would have followed Sonny.
True, so that's fair. I, I kind of disagree with you
on that, but yeah, I, I didn't really mind the romance.
And I, I can also admit that part of that is because I think
I've said this a couple times inseason 1, movies are just so

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afraid of romance now. And I, I think it's really
stupid. We need to bring back romance
subplots in these blockbusters. But they got to be so.
It was nice to see. I'm just saying that like, if
you're going to have a romance subplot, it has to be, you know,
it's got to be more like Top GunOriginal and not Mission

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Impossible 2. This felt more akin to Mission
Impossible 2. OK, well here's a hot take I
have maybe about F1. Oh no, I think Kate was miscast.
I think if anybody was miscast, I think it was Kate.
Interesting. Who do you think would have
been, I guess, a better role or a better like, who would have

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been a very casting for And don't say Pedro Pascal.
I would never say Pedro Pascal. I think somebody like Emily
Blunt would have been a much, much better decision, much
better fit for this role. Right, OK.
Because I think, I think part ofthe issue is that Brad Pitt and

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Carrie Condon don't have a lot of chemistry, right?
Whereas like someone like Tom Cruise and Kelly Mcgillis, like
in the original Top Gun, like you could feel it like these two
people that that like that therewas something there, yeah.
And see, I think that that moviedid like the whole I don't sleep

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with my students or I don't like, I don't sleep with my
coworkers or like, you know, like that kind of like that kind
of role. It's like Top Gun did it better
than F1 where I just. I don't.
I don't disagree with you. All right?
Yeah. Cool.
Yeah, OK. So I think we we both kind of
like agree on similar things just and you and just just just

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sort of disagree and like, I guess like in the way it was
done or like the meaning of it. Because I I think that this
movie could have done without it, and if and if it was going
to do it, it should have been better.
Well, I think it's just very in line with the overall theme of
the movie. Like, Sonny is a guy that's
constantly moving from place to place because he's always in

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pursuit of the next drive. Like, it makes sense to me that
he would have this whirlwind romance with someone and then as
soon as he actually achieves this goal that he never thought
he would, he says, well, it's time to move on.
And she makes the decision to stay.
But Sonny is who he is, so he can't, you know, make the

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decision to be with her. So I'll see you down the road.
He's Mr. Hitter and quitted. I think I just think it it's
very in line with not only Sonnyas a character, but just the the
themes of the movie. Like I thought it was very
cohesive with everything else going on.

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But yeah, I mean, like if anybody was miscast in this
movie, I think it was Carrie Condon.
I don't think that was the rightchoice for Kate.
OK, fair enough. I think if if Brad Pitt had
better chemistry with insert hypothetical actress for Kate, I
think I don't think you would love the romance subplot but I

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think you would have a differentopinion of it.
Yeah, maybe. Yes, yes, I I know.
Yeah, 100%, Yep. Because I, I understand what
you're saying. And I, I think I agree with
like, yeah, that that is in linewith Sonny's character.
You know, if I can failed marriages.
Yeah. Like he's a drifter, Vagabond.
Like, that makes sense. I, I, I agree with that.

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It's just like, it's more so like Kate's character.
I feel like it was just underdeveloped and wasn't
utilized to the the best potential that it had in this
film. But you know what it what it
lacked in that characterization,it more than made-up and with
like Sonny and JP's character arcs.

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That's why I said like, you know, I'm going to compare like
this movie a lot to like, you know, you know, I'll, I'll even
be fair and like, and I'll compare like, you know, the I,
yeah, I'm saying Tom Cruise, butI'll keep it in like the same
framework of the same director, Top Gun Maverick, F1 the movie.
So, you know, similar veins. And I think that there was

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better characterization in, you know, Top Gun Maverick with the
side characters and it had a lotmore side characters.
And I think they're both, but they're both about like the same
lane runtime than this movie. I think that's like where this
movie kind of has like a weakness was like the
characterization of the side characters.
If I had to point out like 1 like I guess flaw in this movie

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personally. I don't think anybody with a
functioning brain would argue that F1 is better than Top Gun
Maverick. But I do think it's a fair
comparison because it's the samedirector.
And it's also, I think Joseph Kaczynski is trying to do for F1
what he did for fighter pilots and Top Gun Maverick.

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Yeah, I think that was very muchthe intention and I think it was
successful. I just don't think it was as
good as Top Gun. That's a very high bar to clear
though. Like if we hold every
blockbuster to the Top Gun Mavericks standard, 99.9% of
them are going to fall short. That's fair, but that's why I

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think it's a fair comparison, because no, it isn't a fair.
Comparison director and the samedirector.
It's the same producer. Jerry Bruckheimer produced this
film, and he produced Top Gun Maverick.
Yeah. But something that I wanted to
segue into like now that like since we're like we're still
like on this thread is like, youknow, the the technical work of

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this film Like yes, like I love what you said about like this is
F1 is fuck, you said it better about the airplanes like the.
Joseph Kaczynski is trying to dofor F1 drivers what he did for
fighter pilots. Thank you, beautifully said.
Yes, let's get into that becausewhen I saw this movie within the

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1st 5 minutes, there's differentangles like in like there was
cameras inside the cockpit on the hood of the car on the side
of it from like you know, from like the dashboard right facing
the like the driver to the side of it with all within the 1st 5
minutes, all these all these shots were were shown and my
immediate first thought was likeDylan is going to love this.

(01:12:26):
I should go like that was in my immediate first thought.
Just it's it's where I'm allowedto stay on the mic, off mic.
I told Dylan something douse butthe media thought was like damn
like Dylan is gonna love this. Yeah, and I did.
Did you love it? Yeah.
I did. I think part of the reason,

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yeah, I would say F1 is the bestmovie of the year is because it
is, as you said, it is the most technically impressive and
innovative movie, not only of the year.
I think this is the best a racing movie has ever looked
like. I have never ever in my life

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seen racing scenes look this good, feel this fast, have this
visceral of an impact. Because after I watched F1, I
went home and then a couple dayslater I watched Ford versus
Ferrari because I saw a lot of people say Ford versus Ferrari
is a better movie. Congratulations guys on being

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wrong. Not only is it not a better
movie, but the race scenes in Ford Ford versus Ferrari look
like a fucking joke compared to the racing scenes in F1.
'Cause they didn't invent cameras specifically for this,
you know? Yeah, so a fun piece of
information is because this was an Apple film's original, they

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were a very involved producer ofF1 the movie.
And in order to get some of the shots that they needed for these
racing sequences. It was a situation very similar
to that in Top Gun Maverick where there was no way they
could fit a full size cinema camera into the cockpit of an

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F18. And they couldn't get a full
size camera onto an F1 car because that would just weigh it
down and then slow the car down and they wouldn't be able to
capture the speed the way that Joseph Kosinski wanted it to.
So what Apple did was they made these specially designed cameras

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that are basically buffed up iPhone cameras.
Like that's the sort of like that that's kind of like the
click bait version of of the cameras that were made for F1.
But really it is a different camera system entirely.
But the point is that they made these really small cameras that

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were able to capture footage in up to 8K resolution, I believe
actually. But the point is that these
cameras, it's not so much about the resolution so much as the
it's the compact nature of the camera and the way that they
were able to fit it onto the car.

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It allows them to do this crazy whip pen thing.
And they they do this a lot in the movie, but it's because they
know how fucking cool of a technique it is.
I mean, like you said, we get a lot of different scenes during a
lot of different angles during the racing sequences.

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We get shots of the racer. We, we, we get shots of Brad
Pitt. We get shots from the driver's
seat. We get shots from the side on
the side of the car. But I think by far the coolest
thing that we see in F1 is when you will have the camera and it

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is facing, say, Brad Pitt, and we're seeing him in the cockpit,
and he passes another car in therace.
And the camera just. And immediately the camera sort
of like, just pivots so fast that you get to see the car that
he just passed. Yeah.
Like it gives you this sense of momentum that no other racing

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movie ever has. And you know, again, they do
this a lot, but it somehow neverbecomes redundant because each
race has its own stakes. Each race has I think its own
story built into it. Like you said, the the race
where JP crashes, that has its own stakes.
It has its own story because Sonny says, hey, you're going to

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go win this race. So even though they use this
camera technique a lot, it nevergets old because they managed to
make every race feel unique. But I mean, just Jesus Christ,
every single time they do this, especially when the camera is on
the front of the car. We're not even seeing Brad Pitts

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face where they kind of want youto be in the driver seat.
Yeah. And then you pass a car and then
they just whip pan that camera. And I'm like, yes, yeah.
Like it gives these race scenes this feeling of speed that you
just don't get. Like, and I'm I'm gonna go back

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to Ford versus Ferrari again. But if you watch the race scenes
in those in that film, the cars almost feel like there's no
weight to them. Like the race scenes feel very
airy, like they're trying so hard to make the race scenes
feel fast, but compared to F1 ithonestly looks like the cars are

(01:17:59):
made out of helium. Yeah, which they are cuz like,
you know, like F1, like the whole point is to make your,
your car as light as possible and also, you know, as fast as
possible, which I thought was, you know, like we, I think I, I
thought like this was a pretty good like introduction to F1.
That's like the sport. Because prior to this, I knew

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nothing about F1. I still don't.
But I think I learned a little bit more like about like what
goes into it, like to really like win a race.
Yeah. And I took notes when I was
watching this movie and something that I wrote down was
Dylan the film snob will love all the camera angles used here.

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Immersive races, racing scenes designed to thrill, big stunts,
dramatic crashes. It's a fun ride.
And then I had a cute little sound bite.
The real start is the camera. Those cockpit shots put you
right, right inside the danger zone.
And yeah, like what you were saying about like, that

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whiplash, Like, yeah, no, it's like, that shit was fucking
cool. And that's the one, as I was
watching this, I'm like, yo, letme write this down.
Like, Dylan's a fucking Phillipssnob.
These things are going to love this shit.
Yeah. And I did, Yeah.
I mean. You're you're being more
passionate about this, the the camera angles more right now
than you worry about talking about Sonny Hayes.
Like, you're really like, I fucking knew because people.

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Don't realize how fucking awesome.
That is. Man, like you go watch some of
these other race movies because everybody and their mother was
saying, oh, Ford versus Ferrari is a better movie than F1F1's
fun, but Ford versus Ferrari is a better film.
No, it's not. No, it's not, right.

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The the race scenes in Ford versus Ferrari look like APS 3
cutscene compared to F1. And like you said in that, that
sound bite that or the notes that you just read.
It's not just the cinematography, it's the fact
that Brad Pitt got in the car himself.

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And drove like these things makea difference.
It's the practical effects. It is the commitment to
delivering the spectacle for theaudience that matters.
Yeah, like I did think when I was like watching this film,
like man, like I wonder how likethey filmed this.
Like is was like Brad Pitt singing in the green screen and

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like they put it in post, like, you know, in the in the races.
No, when I looked it up, like no, Brad Pitt at Brad Pitt.
Brad Pitt actually trained for like this role.
He act like like Tom Cruise. They learned how to drive.
Yeah. It was like 6 months, yeah.
Like I think at some point I read like an article where like
at for some of the training sessions, like he hit up to like

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A100180 mph like he was really racing out there.
And like another fun fact that Ilearned like from the production
of this movie was like these were real race like these like
the race, the race that happenedthe.
Real. Yes, the race weekends, exactly.
Yes, like that crowd you saw, like the people cheering, like
that was a real crowd. Like those weren't stand

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insurance or third parties, likethird party extras.
Like those were actual people ata racing event where, you know,
the producers or Apple, whoever,like they got permission to like
film these races. And then, you know, superimpose
like Brad Pitt and JP's driving in them because they do drive.
They did drive. They just, you know, obviously

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Brad Pitt did not compete in like those F1 races or whatever,
but like he did actually like drive the car.
And all they did was, you know, film, film there during the week
and then just superimpose them and like onto like, you know,
there's a lot of like fusion between practical effects and
also like, you know, a video like VGX effects.

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Like I think they, they did likea great job of balancing it
because another thing I learned was that it was cheaper to like,
you know, Dr. F2 and F3 cars andthen just reskin them as F1
cars. I'm like, you know what?
I could not even tell that this was like, you know, like that
this that the car that Brad Pittwas driving was, you know,

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digitally enhanced to look more like an F1 car.
Like couldn't I even tell like the CGI, like the video effects
that that went into like this film fucking top notch.
Like, they pulled out all the stops to make this, like, by
movie. Like, not only like, visually,
like, fucking cool, but also just like, like practical with

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the effects. Like JP's car crash, that was a
practical effect. Like, yes.
I mean, just like, you know, TomCruise's motorcycle off of the
Cliff, you know, like, yeah, in the movie it looks cool.
And like, then you said behind the scenes, it's still fucking
cool. But, you know, there's a ramp
and all this like, like practical work that goes into
making the scene look cool. There was a practical, you know,

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practical work into making JP's crash look real.
But just like just a fact that, you know, it's a real stunt
guys. And it's it's none of this, you
know, CGI just like Marvel esquetechniques that they do where
like they CGI everything. Like, no, like it was a blend of
practical effects with CGI with like, you know, innovative

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camera work. Because yeah, I haven't seen
Ford, Ford versus Ferrari. I didn't want to see it prior to
watching this film. I just didn't get a chance to,
but I I think like I haven't seen it, but like after you're
describing it, I think the camera techniques were like more
innovative in this film and moreimmersive.
And I think that's what makes like, you know, the races like,

(01:23:48):
as you're saying, probably like look way fucking cooler than
like a camera recording from like, you know, like the third
party perspective of the car. Like I think what F1F1 did, I
was able to, you know, capture like the speed, the thrill, the
fucking like the dangers of fucking driving like close like
over 100 mph. Like how fast did they race in

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Ford versus Ferrari? Probably 120, maybe 150.
I don't know. Didn't watch it.
Supposedly during those races they can get up to 200 on the
straightaways, but. Oh, but it's just straightaways,
right? It's just no.
So Ford versus Ferrari is, is the endurance racing.
They, they do race coincidentally the 24 hours of

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Daytona in fortress Ferrari as well.
Nice. But the, the main race is the 24
hours of Le Mans, which is obviously held in France.
But it's and see, this was something I learned through
watching F1. I had to learn the difference
between like all these differentmotive sports.
Yeah. Because obviously I know that

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NASCAR is not the same thing as F1.
I mean, you just look at the cars and you know it's not the
same thing. What it's not.
You know, NASCAR, you just make four turns to the left for like
200 laps. Yeah.
And those are basically stock cars for from basic from
companies that mass produce vehicles for the general

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population. Like that's why you see Chevy
Impalas in mass in NASCAR, because it's stock car racing.
So Ford versus Ferrari is something called hypercar
racing, which is they make thesereally like souped up version of
sports cars. But Ford versus Ferrari focuses

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on the development of the first Ford GT and there was a publicly
available Ford Shelby Mustang GTI think I don't know what year
it was. I'm sure if any gear heads
listen to this by accident they'll get after me for it but

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I don't. I don't know when the fuck that
car came out but they did make aFord Shelby GT but.
Is the versus Ferrari also F1 oris it a different type?
Of no, it's, it's the endurance one.
It's endurance racing. Yeah.
But the kind of cars that they race are called hyper cars,
which are just sports cars, but they're like souped up like

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crazy and they're not made for public purchase, right.
And Formula One, Formula 2, Formula Three and IndyCar are
something called open wheel racing, where you're not really
driving a car so much as you're driving a machine that is
designed to handle extreme downforce and speed.

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That's why you're gonna have strong necks.
Yeah, exactly. And yeah, see, when you sit in
an F1 car, you're basically almost like lying down.
Like they don't show it because we never really get that kind of
shot. But you do sit upright, but your
legs are basically like this, right?
It's really strange when you look into it, it's.

(01:27:11):
Probably more aerodynamic. Yeah, that, that's interesting.
Yeah. So you have to like, you know,
you're controlling the gas and the braking and your legs.
It's it's kind of interesting. Yeah.
And then all the all the shifting is done through paddle
shifters on the wheel instead of, you know, through a gear

(01:27:31):
shift. Whereas like in board versus
Ferrari, like it's manual transmission, like you have to
shift through the gears. But now I learned because of F1
that hypercar racing, like the 24 Hours of Daytona, they moved
to paddle shifters. So it's less wear on the driver.

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Like that's why the steering is actually very similar at the
beginning of the movie in the 24Hours of Daytona and then F1,
because in Ford versus Ferrari, they use regular steering wheels
like the round ones. But if you pay attention in F1

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during the 24 Hours of Daytona race, it has that like almost
console esque steering design. So in a lot of ways, I think
hypercar racing has evolved to try and incorporate elements of
F1, but it's not an open wheel vehicle, Right.

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But I, I agree that I think the movie does a good job of giving
you an entry point into the the sport.
Like it explains just enough so that you're not lost.
Yeah, like I think it, I think it does an excellent job with
stuff like explaining the tires and how, you know, when Sunny
milked the warm up lap, it actually gave him an advantage

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because the tires were warm. Or how when you rain, you want,
you know, when it rains, you want different kind of tires.
Yeah. And I I think the movie does a
good job of explaining the the basic basic stuff.
Yeah, I, I think, yeah. Like this movie made F1 pretty

(01:29:17):
accessible. Like, I haven't spoke.
I I have a friend who she's really into F1, I just haven't
spoken to her about this movie. I don't even know she's watched
it yet, but I wanted to ask her if she did.
And like, how does this compare to like real F1?
Like, are the rules pretty similar?
Or is this, or is this like Hollywood, you know,
glamorization of F1? I don't, I don't, I don't know

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the answer. I haven't, I haven't looked into
it. But I think it's still like, I
think they they they they hit like, you know, they cover the
sport like pretty, you know, broadly.
And I think as an entry level, like, I think it made it like,
you know, for more entertainmentand it's more easily digestible
because I'm sure there's like a lot more rules and because they
didn't, you know, there's rules and penalties and like certain

(01:30:03):
things that to do, like, I guessyour car produced, you have to
make it in house. You can like outsource.
It's like they're doing all these like little tidbits.
I'm like, you know what, I bet the sport is a lot more
complicated than it's being presented as.
But damn, like it's so fucking interesting.
Like I just thought like, you know, F1 driving was just
fucking you just go from room like any other race or whatever.

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But I didn't realize like the amount of like research and
like, like they, they, they keepon saying this a lot in the film
where and you can like shave offlike a fraction of a second.
Like if, if everyone on this team can contribute to just, you
know, shaving off a fraction of a second, Like that's, that's a
few seconds. And like, you know, an F1 a few

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seconds fucking matters. It's, and it's just interesting
like the engineering and like the, the amount of effort that
goes into, you know, like getting these cars to go as fast
as they do and then getting, getting them to go faster.
Like I thought like, Nah, that this, this is fucking it's an
it's an impressive and it, it was an entertaining movie and it

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was, it was also impressive. Like it made me like, I'm not
gonna say I'm gonna get into F1,but you know what, I might watch
Eraser too, you know, yeah, I might find like try to follow a
team or something. And I think like if a movie can
do that, like a specifically a sports, a sports movie, then it
did a fucking great job of, you know, of capturing like the
essence of or like the spirit ofthe sport.

(01:31:30):
Yeah, I agree with you. And honestly, I had kind of the
same reaction where I thought I might get into F1 because of
this. Like I found this pretty
interesting. Like, and, you know, this is
kind of going back to Sonny's character a little bit, but, you
know, I liked that Sonny was able to work with Kate to

(01:31:53):
improve the car. Yeah.
Because, yeah, at the beginning of the movie, they have this
joke where they call it a shit box.
And, you know, Kate knows there's something wrong with the
car. Like, she's asking JP all these
questions that he doesn't have the answer to, right, because
he's just the new age driver. Like, he doesn't have that

(01:32:14):
intuitive healing for the vehicle, right?
But then when Sunny comes, he tells her, you know, this car,
you're not going to be able to make it more aerodynamic.
You're not going to be able to just increase the downforce you
need to. The way he says it has designed
the car for combat. But then they explain what that

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means is the car needs to basically excel in dirty air,
which means when they are driving behind someone who is
faster than them, that's where the car needs to improve because
that's their best chance to actually win the race is to, you
know, find that speed in The Dirty air.

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I think the movie does a good job of explaining all that
stuff. Again, like you said, I don't
know how accurate that is to thereal sport, you know, or if this
is, yeah, some Hollywood dramatization.
But for the sake of the movie, Ithink it does a good job of
explaining it to the viewers so that they can be invested in the

(01:33:20):
movie. You're right.
Yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, like,
this movie does that pretty fucking good.
But we've been talking about, like, the movie a lot.
And I mentioned this in the beginning of the pod, so now I'm
going to circle back to it. Yeah, where I said like this
movie was a bit formulaic and I I feel like I've touched on this

(01:33:45):
on a lot of episodes and I kind of like that.
I kind of like that we keep on coming back to this, but it's
like it's a topic of like, you know, original movies.
And specifically, I want to like, I'm like, I'm not going to
take that take like the easy answer or like the easy question
and be like, you know, what singers versus F1 like let me go
with like a different original movie.
Mickey 17 when we did the episode and talked about Mickey

(01:34:08):
17, Like we both, I think we, weenjoyed it for what it was, but
we we could see where like, you know, like it's kind of like,
you know, not not super great, but you know, we still need
more, but we we need more of these original films.
Like we need more original filmslike out of Hollywood.
My question to you was going to be like, how do you feel?

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Like you obviously you think this is like the best movie of
the year. And like my thing was like, you
know what? So this is kind of like a
formulaic movie. Like how do you compare that to
like an original movie? My thing, I don't think I'm
asking the question I want to ask, right?
But that's something that came up to my mind when I was
watching this movie. Like damn, like this is like a
visually like, it looks fucking great.

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Like Brad Pitt's so fucking cool.
The races are so fucking cool. But the actual story, it's like,
it's kind of like predictable, like you know where it's going
to go. And that made me like think
like, you know what if a movie is done well, you can use like a
tired old, old, like an old formula as long as it's done
well. And like that might be better

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than just a movie that was all original.
I don't know. It was, it was interesting
because I think this movie, likeit's a great fucking movie, but
the story itself is like, I'm not going to call it a week, but
I'm going to say like it's formulaic.
It's not, it's not original and I don't know.
I just, I, I, I don't know what,what's the question I want to

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ask specifically, but I just thought like that was, yeah.
Waiting for the question. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Like I, I just thought that was an interesting, like just just
an interesting parallel, just like original movies.
And like, you know, how we can like even if we want original
movies, they can still like, youknow, not be good.
And then you can have formulaic movies and they can be fucking
awesome. I don't know.

(01:35:57):
I don't have AI. Guess I don't have a question
just once. I just comment on that or just
bring that. What?
I would say is that predictable doesn't mean unoriginal.
It also doesn't mean predictabledoesn't mean it's bad.
No, because like you said it, itcomes down to the execution.
Just because you might know how something is going to unfold

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doesn't mean that you can't makeit good.
Yes. So yeah, you can use either
example. Mickey 17 sinners.
I would gladly take F1 over either of them.
OK, but like exactly why becauseof the like the the because of

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the, the the visual direction ofthe film or what exactly?
What exactly makes you want to like say like this is the best
movie of the year? Cuz I think for sale because I'd
personally I don't think it's the story.
I think it's like it has more todo with like the technical work
that went behind the film and like the actual like the visual
of like the film like this is a very gorgeous looking film.
The effects and the driving is very thrilling, but I think

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where it's whereas like the likemy I guess critiques, quote UN
quote, would be like the the thelack of characterization for the
side characters and also like the story itself, like the
underdog story, like, you know, leggy, like the old wash up dude
coming back out of retirement, you know, prove that he's still
the dude. Like I think that these are
these are tropes that we have seen before.
They're, like, not original to like or not original in today's

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age because like, you know, they're tropes.
It's like what exactly? Like what exactly about this
film do you think makes it like,you know, the best movie of the
year? Well, obviously I think things
like the technical film making of F1 are important.
But for me, I actually think what makes it the best movie of
the year is clearly the heart ofthe film.

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It's it's the energy that it has.
It's the themes. It's the way that this movie is
so clearly in love with itself. Like it is sincere, like
everything in F1, like it's not afraid to be a little cheesy.

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Like, you know, we get the needle drops, We get the the
romance, even though you weren'ta big fan of it.
We get some of the silly momentswith like JP and his mom or JP
and his douchebag agent. You know, it's it's I would say

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it's the heart of the movie. Like F1 is just made with so
much passion and heart compared to, we'll say sinners.
Sinners. Yeah.
And that's I think Sinners is made with a lot of artistic
intention, but I don't think Sinners has the same level of of

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passion put into it. Like, I think Sinners is more
about, you know, trying to make a statement about something.
And I think F1 is more interested in in honestly
delivering not just an entertaining cinematic
experience, but in delivering anexperience that communicates

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everyone involved. Loved this.
Like this isn't necessarily directly related to his
performance, but I think you cantell during the driving scenes
that Brad Pitt was more interested in that stuff than
the actual like dramatic acting scenes in F1.

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Like you can tell during the racing scenes, that's what Brad
Pitt was there for, you know, and and it's it's it's just like
I said, I think, yeah, I commented on this in maybe the
running episode of Season 1. But I think racing movies are

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very clearly, they are analogousto a group of people, you know,
working together to to push pasttheir limits.
And I think that that is just something that is more
universal. It speaks to more people.
Than something like sinners. I think sinners is very again, I

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think it has a lot of artistic intention.
I think in a lot of ways it's academic and I think as academia
tends to do, like it kind of stumbles over itself, like I
think, you know, and and this isn't me like saying sinners is
bad all of a. Sudden no, no, no.
No. They're both great films.

(01:40:41):
But yeah, you clearly chose F1 as like the best films that
you're so far. I think my both still goes to
Sinners, but I think I think you're describing it perfectly.
I think what, what I love about Sinners is probably just because
like you said, it's like that creative ambition that it had
versus like, you know, F1 is like it's, it's still, it's a
great film, but it's more of a spectacle, like just showing you

(01:41:02):
like, you know, what, like the highest, like the highest tier
of entertainment that you can get with all the thrills, like
the thrilling and the, the camera work that's done to make
this like, you know, an actual intense movie.
So I I, I see what you're saying, and I think like, that's
a perfectly fair argument. Yeah, but it's not just that it

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is it, like I said it, for me, it's a part of the film.
Yeah, it's it's it is very visceral.
It is very intense. And obviously I think it's a a
spectacle with some genuinely innovative cinematography.
But yeah, for me, it's the heartof the movie.
I think if a movie is able to move you, to inspire you to do

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something, like I mentioned thisearlier, but like the the
balcony scene between Sonny and Kate just kind of hit a little
too close to home for me becausethat was in the midst of my
injury. And I just the way that I took
that scene was like, I'm sittingthere in the theater thinking

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like, fuck, like I get it. Like I get where Sonny's coming
from. Like, I don't really give a shit
about winning medals. Like there are some runners,
like the hobby joggers, they'll sign up for races every other
weekend because they just want the medal or the ribbon.
I, I don't care about that. Like I, I continue to run

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because I want to see like, whatexactly is my potential, even
though I know like I'm not an elite runner, like I'm not a
professional, I'm not an Olympian, but that doesn't mean
I have to cap my potential at being just slightly above
average. Slightly above right, ladies and

(01:42:56):
gentlemen, this man runs a sub Six Mile, sub 6,000,000 mile so.
Like I think any movie that sortof is able to evoke that feeling
in people. Like the movie just made me want
to go out there and run. Like it made me want to push
myself, like to be it made me want to be better.

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And I think any movie that is able to do that is doing
something right. So, yeah, it's it's about the
heart of F1, it's about the energy, it's about the passion.
And I again, like I, I harped onabout this in the Top Gun
episode, but we don't get blockbusters like this anymore.
We get blockbusters like Minecraft.

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And. You know, like, like it's not
even about the fact that Minecraft is based on a video
game. It's it's the way that that
movie is made, the way that it'sdripping with irony and self
referential and like meta in in a way that just takes you out of
the experience. Like F1 is unafraid to be a

(01:44:05):
movie. Like this is a movie.
Enjoy it. And I think there's just
something about that sensibilitythat really appeals to me in
this current landscape where we are just flooded with these
bullshit blockbusters that are self referential, built on

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franchises meta. They're too afraid to be
emotional because they don't want the audience to think
they're corny. So everything is just slightly
detached. Like I can't, I'm just so over
this style of filmmaking and andthe only movies in the past few
years that have, you know, harkened back to the old school

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nineties blockbusters are Top Gun, Maverick Twisters and now
F1. And I don't think it's a
coincidence that Joseph Kaczynski has had involvement in
all three of those movies. How's he involved with Twisters?
With the producer. He wrote the story.
He didn't write the full screenplay, but he wrote like
the story treatment. Yeah, yeah.

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Interesting. OK.
I think this aspect of the conversation is like very
telling, I think by Frank in thein terms of like, I think I'm
learning a lot about myself and you in terms of like what what
excites you or like what makes you like, you know, like like
really excited to talk about film is like more like the

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technical detail and like the heart of the film.
Like you were very excited to talk about all like the camera
works and like the whip pens andeverything.
And I think like that's very telling of like why you think
like this is like the number onemovie like of the year versus
we're sinners. And I think you put it into
words that I couldn't have put it.
So I'm, I'm just going to steal that.

(01:45:53):
Like where you talk about like, you know, it's more of a
creative endeavour and like there's more creativity put in
the like the film. I think that's where I relate to
it more because like, you know, it gets my creative juices
flowing because even when like Iwas seeing all the camera work
like in in in F1, like I like after my initial thought where
I'm like, oh man, Dennis is gonna love this.
As the movie kept on going and then I kept on seeing more of

(01:46:15):
this, I was like, OK, I know forsure Dylan is going to
appreciate this way more than I do.
Like it's visually it's very cool.
But I'm like, I don't think I'm seeing it in the way that Dylan
sees it. Like he probably has a better
appreciation for like the camerawork that's going out to that
that's happening right now. And I think that that's very

(01:46:36):
telling. I think that's where like it
kind of like puts in like perspective of like why I
personally think soon as like the number like the number one
movie and why you think F1 is the number one movie.
And I think that's just very interesting.
And like, you know, these are the kind of insights, no I get
here. I agree.
I think this is very telling too, because for all the talk

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about me being the film snob, I think the expectation would be
that people would expect me to say Sinners is the best movie of
the year. But I don't think it is, no.
And I think what you're explaining is you're saying as
you were watching F1, you're noticing the cinematography.

(01:47:16):
And while you appreciate it, yousaid you don't think you would
appreciate it as much as I would.
And what I would say to that is that's because I genuinely
believe that filmmaking is magic.
And when I see these kind of things happen, it does excite
me. It does like generate this sense
of, of passion within me. And it's because like, even

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though I know this is a movie, Ilike when movies are able to
make me forget that there were real people involved in the
making of this project who had to just really like, embrace
this creativity. Like Sinners is a really
creative movie. Like inherently it's probably a,

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like I said, it has more artistic intention than
something like F1, but I think people don't because they don't
pay attention to things like thetechnical aspect of film making.
They don't realize the kind of creativity that has to go into a
movie like F1 because you're notreally observing it through the
lens of how much goes into a movie.

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Like it's not just the cinematography of F1, it's it's
the roar of the engine combined with the cinematography that
like, it just gives me that likethat, that shot of adrenaline in
my body that I'm like, this is, I love everything about this.
Like it it is Sonny's character arc about, you know, I am just

(01:48:52):
in pursuit of this feeling whereeverything fades away and I get
to just be. And I think you get that
experience when you watch a really good movie.
Like you lose yourself in the experience.
Everything just disappears and it's just the movie.
Like it, you're not even aware that you're watching a movie
anymore. It's just you are completely

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immersed in that experience and that is F1, like the whole movie
is basically about trying to make that happen.
You know, you could say it's meta in a sense, but it's it's
not the kind of meta that like The Avengers is.
Where? You know, like, you know,

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they're, they're pointing out the fact that, hey, this thing
that happened is just so dumb, right.
You should laugh at that. Like, we're acknowledging it's
dumb. The audience knows it's dumb.
Why don't we pretend it's dumb together?
Like F1 is about like, you know,the pursuit of that experience
not just for Sunny Hayes, but for the audience.

(01:49:55):
Like I, yeah, you know, like I, I think what's important to me
is when movies, like show you how magical they really are.
And I don't think Sinners did that as well as F1 did, Right.
And yeah, again, this isn't a knock, but I think Sinners has

(01:50:16):
so much layered into it that it it does kind of come off as
academic at times. And yeah, academia has a
tendency to just stumble over itself a lot.
And I, I had this criticism for Barbie where it doesn't really
feel like a movie. It feels more like a thesis
statement written by a PhD student on feminism.

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And it's just kind of lamp shaded with all of this like set
dressing that is the Barbie movie.
But I, the Barbie movie has the same problem.
Like there's this ridiculous monologue at the end of the
movie that of course a bunch of women fond over.
But I mean, if we're being realistic, like if you really

(01:51:02):
want to break that scene down, it's it's clunky, it's a mess.
Like it's just fumbling over itself trying to make a point
that it thinks is deep but ultimately just kind of rings
hollow because at the end of theday you're watching a Barbie
movie. Like it's a makeover movie

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designed to sell more toys. Like you can try all you want to
make it this important socio political movie about feminism
but it's not. How would you feel about
Transformers being paid in the same light to sell toys?
Transformers is a tangent. Sells toys.

(01:51:46):
OK, it is. Damn you fooled them.
And that's why I think what Michael Bay did is so important
because he said I don't give a shit about the Transformers TV
show. Like cuz this is something I've
noticed because the the Transformers video has recently
crossed the the 10K view threshold.

(01:52:07):
Let's go. And I've gotten some some new
comments since that happened. And a recurring theme that I'm
seeing is that people don't likethese Michael Bay Transformers
movies because he's not honoringthe 1980s Transformers TV show.
And I think part of the reason I'm able to love Phase
Transformers films is because I don't give a shit about the

(01:52:29):
Transformers TV show. Like.
I didn't grow up with it. My introduction to Transformers
was Transformers 2007. So Transformers is designed to
sell toys. It was like the the primary
audience of those movies is like12 year old boys, right?
But I think where they excel is the fact that Bey is able to

(01:52:54):
layer in this like generational commentary of the millennial
crisis, meaning with Sam of thispost 911 anxiety of, you know,
all this stuff that I commented on in the video.
I think Michael Bey is able to transcend the fact that the
movie is designed to sell more toys.

(01:53:17):
Yeah, like Michael Bay is able to turn it into a myth,
basically. And, you know, I I don't know
why it feels like I'm picking onBarbie, but like, Barbie is
just, it's, it's a movie that isjust incredibly messy.
Like, you know, and, and I know,like I'll get torn to shreds

(01:53:40):
because I'm a man and the movie's not made for me and how.
Dare you? Well, guess what, I watched the
movie with women. They hated it.
So. What what does that say?
Like you know, like 2 can play that game.
Right. You know, it's just, it's Barbie

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is a movie that stumbles over itself.
And I don't think Sinners has that same problem to the same
degree as Barbie. But what I the point I'm trying
to make is that when movies haveso much on their mind, when they
are trying to say so much, sometimes they can kind of get
lost in their own like thought process.

(01:54:22):
I think that I think this is an issue with even some of the
Jordan Peele films, like people love Get Out, but I it's a great
movie, don't get me wrong, but Ithink that movie can kind of get
up its own ass sometimes. And I would say the same thing
about us. That's why I think my favorite
Jordan Peele movie is Nope, because it's the most

(01:54:44):
straightforward. Like it still has the
commentary, it still has things on its mind, but it's just, it
doesn't get lost in the metaphorlike his previous films.
But yeah, Sinners by no means commits that crime the way
Barbie does. But yeah, I mean, I, I think

(01:55:05):
it's just an issue with movies that that have so much to say
that they can kind of just get lost in their own like, point to
the point where they're just kind of equivocating and talking
in circles. I don't think Sinners, like I
said, I don't think that's a huge problem.
That's not me saying no all of asudden.

(01:55:26):
I think Sinners is bad. It's just like you said, I think
this conversation is kind of illuminating what we value in a
movie going experience. And like I said, for me, I
genuinely believe that the process of filmmaking is magic.
And I think what I think F1 is magic.

(01:55:47):
So yeah. You know what?
Well said. I wanted to ask you that.
What was your favorite scene in F1?
But before you go, I'm gonna go because I don't know if you're
gonna take him to the same scene, OK.
Because this is this is like a scene where I think it
encapsulates kind of like everything of like what I
appreciate in films. Like as you were saying.
And I think here it is. It's like the final scene where

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it's not the final scene, but it's like the final race where
Sonny is racing. And after he like, you know,
passes like the dude, like he he's like the movie gets
quieter. It starts like, you know, but it
kind of mutes itself and you just see like Sunny it like he's
in the zone and. Out of like, the audience
becomes the car. Yeah, and I would have loved it,

(01:56:33):
loved it so much if nobody said anything.
But, you know, some somebody on the fucking team asked to ask
what is Sunny doing? And Kate, you know, because she
knows she's like he's flying. I'm like if they just took the,
I don't know, for some reason, Ithink it would have been better
if they just didn't show it because I was like super
immersed like that. That scene, like, you know, he's

(01:56:54):
just, it's quiet, like you said that the audience becomes like
the car and it's just like, likeit became like a perfect
demonstration of like showing, not telling, not speaking.
It's just it was a beautiful moment of silence and Sunny was
in the zone and I think that wasmy favorite scene of the entire
movie. What was yours?

(01:57:15):
I'm inclined to agree, but sinceyou picked that.
I knew it. That's why I wanted to speak
first, I'm gonna say. That it is the balcony scene
between Sunny and Kate. OK, fair enough.
Yeah. And it's because, I mean, the
scene that you just described isthe payoff to the the balcony
scene. Yeah.

(01:57:36):
I mean, we don't we don't understand the gravity of that
moment if we. I don't have that conversation
between Sunny and Kate. But like I said, for me, that
could be my favorite scene because it's just my personal
experiences and what I was goingthrough at the time that I
watched it, that I was like, yeah, this is really, you know,

(01:57:59):
resonating with me in a way thatI feel very deeply that, you
know, it's I don't, I don't careabout winning medals or like
having people tell me that I'm agood runner.
Like, I care about pushing myself, seeing how good I can be

(01:58:20):
and seeing that I can overcome things when I have spent a large
part of my life thinking that I'm this worthless sack of shit.
That's why, you know, like, I got emotional in the theatre.
Like, I didn't cry, but I was like, yeah, yeah, I get it.

(01:58:42):
You know, I I thought like that was a very powerful scene.
Like it was a like you said, that was like the payoff of the
film. And I thought like, you know
what, it was very well done. Like I think it captures like
the essence of what Sonny, like what he said during that Balkan
scene and also just like hit like the like his whole like

(01:59:03):
redemption of like, you know, proving himself that he he he
does belong on the racetrack, that he is like that racer.
He is the best in the world. Yeah.
And then like, you know, like that scene, it was I, I thought
it was beautiful. Like I didn't cry, but like, you
know, it was touching. Like I, I felt it.
I was like, yeah. Like this, this is what it's all
about. And I think that scene is kind

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of like, it's relatable to like people who, you know, like, who
are in the pursuit of something like of mastering their craft.
And like, once you get like to like a certain level, like for
us, it might be running for others, it might be like, like,
you know, writing stories or whatever.
Like you reach that level where it's like you're in the zone and
everything just kind of like quiets down, like you're in your

(01:59:47):
own mind. And it's just like, it's you
reach like that thing, this level of peace that's really
hard to attain. Yes, until you're like in you're
in that moment because like, yeah, that scene happens.
Obviously Sonny is is flying, but, you know, eventually that
flight is over and he's back to the real world.
And, you know, now he's gotta gochase.
You gotta go chase that feeling again.

(02:00:07):
But I thought like, you know, like that movie or like the
movie, like it showed it like really, really fucking well.
Yeah, I agree. It's a really powerful scene and
easily one of the best scenes inthe movie.
I mean, I think I think that scene is everything that I was
saying about what I value in movies and why I like F1 so

(02:00:30):
much. It is because I believe everyone
involved in the making of this film believes in the magic of
film making themselves, and theyare trying to give the audience
that experience that Sonny has in that very moment.
And I think there's something really effective about Sonny
having that moment as a character within the story, but

(02:00:53):
then also trying to give the audience that moment themselves.
Yeah. Like, this is about like trying
to, you know, essentially facilitate the exact same
feeling in the audience. Like, there is a reason the
camera is not even in the cockpit anymore.
Like throughout the movie, we get a lot of shots in just the

(02:01:16):
driver's seat where they want you to feel like the driver.
But in that scene, they want youto feel like the car.
Like, you know, the movie moves faster than it ever does
throughout its runtime in that moment.
And it's because they want you to have that experience, you
know, whether, you know, ideally, they probably wanted
you to have it in the movie theater, like where you forget

(02:01:38):
that you were sitting in this building where people gather to
watch movies in a communal space.
Like, they want you to feel likein that moment, you were in Abu
Dhabi in the car, and everythingis just fading away.
Like, you're just flying down the track.
And I think there's something really poignant about the fact

(02:01:59):
that it's occurring on a story level and a character level in
the movie, but then at the same time, it's trying to give that
to the audience. Yeah.
And that's, I mean, that's everything about what I was
trying to say about like why I would prefer a movie like F1
over Sinners. Right.

(02:02:22):
I think that's like very fuckinginteresting.
Interesting that we both like, we both have like our favorite
scene is the same. But like, like you like how
we've been saying like for different reasons.
But I mean, there, I think we have some similar reasons.
But like, you know, we both still like, you know, like that
scene spoke to us for different reasons, but it still spoke to
us. And I think, I think that I

(02:02:43):
think, yeah, like I'm inclined to agree with you that I think
if a movie can do that, that is pretty fucking magical.
Especially like, you know, if we're coming from dude, if we're
approaching it from two different angles and we're still
like, you know, appreciate appreciating like that payoff
for what it was honestly. Like, yeah, like I think that
makes I, that I think that's what makes like this movie like,
so like fucking great 'cause it's able to like, you know,

(02:03:05):
appeal to appeal to like there'smore than one interpretation
that you can take of that scene.And I think that's, you know,
that's art. And if, when, when art does
that, you know what that's that's when you know it the
artist started. I agree.
Before we get to like the like the before we spend like a good

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portion of like the themes of like the movie, is there
anything else you want to like highlight about the film Got
thing like once we get to the themes, we're going to be stuck
there for a while. I, I don't think so.
I mean, I think I've touched on most of what I want to say here.
I talked about the cinematography, talked a lot
about Sonny's, all right. Let's get into the themes and

(02:03:52):
just like Mission Impossible, doyou want to start off with broad
or do you want to start off withlike, you know, like narrow?
Well, like I said, I, I'm a person who tends to think big
pictures. So if you want to, if you want
to start us off with some more focus stuff, you can.
All right. But I I can get into the I think

(02:04:15):
big picture stuff if you want. All right, for sure.
So in my notes I broke it down to like I had like when I was
watching this movie, I'm like, you know what, like there's a
lot of themes in this movie, butthen you I could kind of like
categorize them like you know what, there's some like I'm not
like I'm shallow, but they're more so like surface level
themes. Like obviously like the the
underdog story. I get there's like the underdog

(02:04:36):
story, like the theme of mentorship and you know what I
trying to try, I thought the thethe theme of like, you know, old
school punk rock versus new new age dubstep.
And then we got like, you know, more deeper, like deeper themes
such as like aging and like how like that reflects in like any

(02:04:59):
well, first of all, like in in any medium, but specifically
sports, like you know what, likeyou might be like the best of
the best at the sport, but even you age too.
Like I, I like to bring it to basketball.
Like right now we're like in I'ma warriors fan.
Go dubs and we're we are in the twilight years of Stephen Curry.
Like he he is still like the dog, but he's obviously like,

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you know, he's in his twilight years.
He's not as like like as explosive as he was when he was
like in his late 20s, Like now he's in his mid 30s, like he's
he's past his prime. He's still able to like perform
at the highest level, but there's a lot of like new young
bucks for like, you know what coming for his coming for his
spot. So I think like that, that was
like the theme, like a, a theme of this movie was like ageing

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legacy, like what legacy you want to leave behind, both for
Sonny's character and JP. And an important one that we
touched on a lot was identity, your famous psychological term
identity. Foreclosure.
Foreclosure. Thank you.
Like that was like a major themein this movie, both for both
main characters, both in like how they see themselves and like

(02:06:09):
how they would see themselves without, you know, having the
ability to race or perform F1. So I thought those are like the
deeper meanings of like this film compared to like the
surface themes of just like, like the story part aspect of
it. But then I have a third category
because like I, this one was inspired by you from the Mission

(02:06:29):
Impossible movie, where like when you get where you gave like
the broad scope, like, you know what?
Like what does like this movie say about Hollywood and Tom
Cruise and all that? Like, yeah, what does this movie
say about like Brad Pitt and like his career where he's at?
Because like Tom Cruise, he's been doing movies for like a
like a fucking long ass time. And also like Tom Cruise, like

(02:06:51):
he's at that age where like he is no longer that young, like
bad ass grills dude. He's not Sinbad anymore.
He's he's he's not washed up, but he like that's like the
character that he portrays. Like he's a washed up veteran
type of dude. I think we have like that like
that that's like a meta commentary of just Brad Pitt's

(02:07:13):
character and also just some Hollywood's portrayal of F1 and,
you know, using the star power of Brad Pitt in order to like,
you know what, like I don't think this movie would have been
this movie could have done everything the exact the exact
same. But I think it would have lost a
lot of a lot of its draw if it was not like driven by like the

(02:07:34):
Hollywood star that is Brad Pitt.
If this was someone else, like, ah, fuck, I'm bad with names.
But for the sake of the argument, if this is Robert
Downey Junior, like I don't think it would have hit the same
as like, you know, if someone islike and like suave as Brad
Pitt, who like fits this role ofSanny Hayes so much better than

(02:07:55):
like, you know what like a Robert Downey Junior would have
like portrayed him as. So those like the general themes
that I saw like I can get more into it, but like that's kind of
how I saw like the service, likethe service themes of like the
underdog story and mentorship, the deeper level themes with
like aging legacy identity and like the meta themes of just,

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you know, Hollywood portrayal ofF1 and like the tension between
art and like commercials, commercial spectacle.
And I think that's like I wrote that back when I watched like
when I was watching this film. And now like I have like a
different interpret or not the different interpretation.
But I think now it's more relevant after our sinners talk
because, yeah, like there was like the like a balance between

(02:08:39):
like, you know, an art, like artand like the commercial
spectacle of the this film. And I think like, wait, the art
that you see is different than the art that I see.
I think you see like the art in like the MO, the magic of movies
with like the lenses, the innovative designs that they did
with like the angles and shit and versus like me like seeing
like the like the artistic endeavor of the film.

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And I thought like those were like the those were like the
themes that I had that I wrote down for like this movie.
Now I'm not going to call them like, like this is where I think
like F1F1, like where I think sinners have like, like I mean,
you said, yeah, I think you're on to something where it's like
it's more academic, like the themes and and and sinners like

(02:09:23):
it it takes a little bit more todigest.
Whereas like the themes in this movie, I think like they're
pretty straightforward. Like after one after one
viewing, I think you can kind oflike comprehend like almost all
the themes of this movie compared to like something like
a Sinners or like like shows, like other media where like you
kind of have to do a rewatch andlike try like, really like to

(02:09:47):
try to really understand what the movie's trying to say.
But yeah, this is where I passedthe mic to you.
Give us the broad scope. Yeah.
So obviously I agree that there are simple themes to take away
from the movie, like mentor, champion, Yeah, the underdog
story. But to me, the, the biggest

(02:10:10):
things that I took away from this was obviously the, the
theme of redemption, you know, coming back from a troubled past
or, or a situation where you just felt like maybe your time
was over. And, you know, I think there,

(02:10:31):
there has to be a way to sum this up better.
But I think and a really important theme of F1 is just
the idea that it's not too late.It's not too late for you to
achieve your dream. It's not too late for you to
pursue your goal. And I think again, because F1 is

(02:10:58):
a racing movie, a really important theme here is just the
pursuit of overcoming, of resilience.
This is about pushing yourself to be the very best you can be,
to find your limits and push past them.

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And I think that's universal. I think that is a universal
human experience and it's not going to be the same for
everybody, but I think it is something that a lot of people
can relate to. And you know what it it is

(02:11:43):
simple, but I don't think it's it's shallow.
I don't think it's, it's, I mean, you know, you could say
it's surface level, but I, I don't think that that means
there's nothing to take away from it.
Like I think there is value in people watching a movie and

(02:12:05):
believing that they can find redemption.
It's not too late for them to accomplish their goal.
I mean, no human being is beyondredemption.
There's still time. And the way to do that is the
fearless pursuit of mastery, youknow, regardless of what your

(02:12:30):
craft is. And yeah, that's going to
involve pushing yourself and, and finding some resilience that
maybe you didn't even know you had.
But I think there is something about the psychology of
overcoming that speaks to people.
And you know, since you brought up Sinners and it's themes and

(02:12:53):
how much you really need to, youknow, maybe re watch it to
digest a lot of what it has to say is I would say Sinners is a
movie that requires you to thinkF1 is just asking you to feel.
And I think in a world where people want to over

(02:13:14):
intellectualize a lot of things,I think in a lot of ways that's
harder. Like it's harder to let yourself
feel the weight of this movie than it is to endlessly pick
apart something like Sinners. And maybe that's why people
weren't really getting on the wavelength that F1 is really

(02:13:39):
operating at, because it is, at its core, emotional.
It's very, yeah, it's it's very psychologically driven, I think
on a human level. And I do think for a lot of
people, it is harder to feel things than it is to think about
things. And I say that as someone who

(02:14:00):
has been described as as very analytical and.
Yeah, our residential. Film thing, yeah.
And so my therapist said I have a lot of cerebral horsepower.
So, you know, I say that as someone that's been described as
as analytical, but I think, yeah, I think in a lot of ways

(02:14:21):
it is harder for us to just truly feel things in 2025.
So, yeah, you can make the argument that F1 is more surface
level than something like Sinners, but it's not asking you
to think. It's just asking you to to feel
it, to believe in it and believethat it's possible for you to.

(02:14:45):
And in the spirit of that, I will say I teared up when Sonny
crossed the finish line and he won.
Yeah, he's the best in the world.
Like that's. You let yourself feel that's
what it's. About yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what? Very well said that yeah, I I
have nothing I have nothing to add to that like no, that that

(02:15:07):
was that was that was very powerful Yeah.
And I think that's the thing like I think and I get more so
it's more so like, you know, like as you're saying, it's a
feeling and like when it comes to feelings and emotions like
those are harder to express thanthey are to feel and like a lot
of people are guarded with theiremotions.
So I think yeah, I think you areyou.

(02:15:28):
I think you're hitting like you're hitting it right on the
head with like F1 it you fuck, that was a that was a brilliant
sound. That was a brilliant sound bite.
Like you know as soon as soon asis asking you to think but F1 is
asking you to feel damn mic dropsay say less like.
That was very well said. Thank you.

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But yeah, I think I think we we both walk away from like this
film like for one, for, well, for one, like feeling glad to
have watched it. Like this is a movie where in an
age where especially specifically and also like in
2025, like in an age where like we get we're getting like a lot
of movies where like they feel like uninspired or just like

(02:16:16):
Hollywood dribble, like, you know, fucking Snow White.
I feel really cynical. Yeah, this movie like, and they
are not to the extent of a Top Gun maverick.
It does give me hope like for like for more movies like this
where like you said like earlierthat they're like the people
that made this movie. Like there was a lot of passion

(02:16:38):
behind it. Like there was like a lot of
heart that was put into this movie.
And I think I'm about to change,like what I'm about to like,
Amanda, what we said earlier, like earlier this year, where
like we need more original movies.
We do. We do need like more original
movies, Yeah. But we also need like movies
with heart and in like, and in that sense, like, you know, if

(02:17:00):
the story is like, you know, like a rehash like Snow White
would have been a better movie if it had a lot more heart.
Yeah. And that's all I'm going to say
about that because like, like that, like it, it's so simple.
Like where you're saying like, yeah, it had a lot of heart.
But it's just, it's so hard to execute.
Like it's so hard to like actually make a movie where like

(02:17:20):
everybody involved is passionateand like, you know what?
Like wants to deliver like the best that that they can, they
possibly can do fucking Mission Impossible, like the dead
reckoning. Like had a lot of fucking heart.
There's a lot of passion behind that movie.
And that's something that we didn't mention when we did
season finale, but now that you mentioned it, now it's like

(02:17:40):
shit, Like, you're right. Like, there's a lot to be said
about films where they might notbe doing anything like new or
innovative. I mean, F1 did with the camera
work. But just in general, like
they're buying films and they don't do a lot of like
innovative shit, but there's a lot of heart and passion behind
them. And I think like that there is

(02:18:02):
something to be said about that that should be brought up more.
Yeah, I agree. It is that, that sincerity
aspect, it's just been missing for a decade and it's it's
unfortunate. Yeah, but I'm kind of I'm glad
that like, like this year alone,we've had, you know, at least at

(02:18:25):
least to movies like that, Mission Impossible, The Dead
Reckoning and F1, the movie where it's like there's a lot of
heart that was put behind, like behind these films.
And I bet there's more movies that have this, but we just
haven't seen them all that come out this year.
Yeah. And I think that's like, really
like, I don't know it it gives me a lot of hope for maybe not
Hollywood specifically, but justfilms in general.

(02:18:47):
Like it gives me hope that as weapproach November, we start
getting like the Oscar bait movies.
It gives me I, I don't know, I, I, I'm feeling pretty good about
F1. Like, I think, I think it's
going to be nominated for something.
Will they win? I don't know.
That's, that's fucking up to like the suits to the side.
But I, I, I think, you know what, like F1, like, if it's not

(02:19:10):
nominated, I'm going to riot. If Sanders and F1 and like
Mission Impossible are not nominated for any Oscars this
year, I'm going to write, ladiesand gentlemen.
I'm going to be so fucking pissed off.
Like, I don't know, I might justcome into like the pot angry,
just yelling at the mic, you know, like giving, giving this

(02:19:32):
mic a lot of heart. There you go.
There you go. But yeah, ladies and gentlemen,
welcome back to Season 2 of the online podcast.
This was and is F1 The Movie. If you have come back, if, if

(02:19:54):
you listen to what I said earlier and if you hadn't
watched the film, you paused it and then you came back and
listened to this entire podcast in its entirety.
Thank you. And let me just say, it's
fucking great to be back on the mic and talking about movies
because oh man, not a lot of movies came out in between from

(02:20:14):
the from our break until now. But.
That has given me like, the opportunity to catch up on some
films, yeah, And F1 was one of them.
I think we hit everything. I think I hit everything I
wanted to say. I think so.
More or less, yeah. More or less like, I'm sure like
just going to be like, I, I, I swear, like, as soon as like,

(02:20:36):
you know, we put the mic down, yeah, I would be like, oh shit,
I forgot to talk about this and this and that, but never feared
because you know what? We're back, baby.
This is just barely episode 1 ofseason 2.
Just wait until we get to episode 2.
And if anything, if I left anything out about F1, best

(02:20:56):
believe it'll be brought up in the beginning of episode 2.
Yeah, that's how we do things. And let's just say just for
episode 2, ladies and gentlemen,I hope you're comfortable with a
little bit of nudity. Yeah, just a little bit.
Yeah, just a little bit. And I genuinely hope that joke

(02:21:16):
did not go over anybody's head. Yeah, of course, he's obviously
talking about tasteful nudes. Thank you, mom, if you're
listening to this, I love you, man.
It's not what you think. All right, that's enough of a
preview too. Like I think, I think at this

(02:21:38):
point y'all should know, but we're going to talk about it in
episode 2. Yeah.
All right, ladies and gentlemen,thank you for sitting down with
us and returning back to hearingus talk talk about films again.
It's been fucking great to hop on back on the mic.

(02:22:00):
I'm glad that you are here with with us to follow us on this
journey and stay tuned because if you thought season 1 was
good, I promise you season 2 will be fucking great.
Yes it will. Thank you for listening

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everybody. Of course I'm going to run to
the show. Acknowledgments real quick.
Thank you to Levi for composing the intro music.
Thank you to Jesse for the artwork that I hope all of you
enjoy. Thank you to Maya for being our
producer here. Absolutely pivotal part of the

(02:22:43):
team. Yep.
And of course, if you enjoyed the show, the best way to
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But you can find us on most major podcasting platforms.
And of course, as always, pleasesubscribe to the YouTube channel
if you were interested in some supplemental or additional

(02:23:06):
content, particularly, as Jesse would say, the critically
acclaimed Transformers video. Yes, youtube.com forward slash
at Nightfall Films. That's gonna do it for today.
Thank you for listening, everybody.
And just to wrap this up, to drill home the importance and

(02:23:26):
the emotional resonance of this film.
I just want to leave everybody with this.
F1 is where Brad Pitt proves you're never too old to chase a
checkered flag or an existentialcrisis.
Well said. Peace plants.

(02:23:48):
Namaste. These people work hard man.
Not even just at the top line. Like all the people below the
line, work hard.

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