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Be inspired to. Do things differently.
This is Below the Line podcast, the show that proves that the
best insights come from outside the industry.
I'm Dylan. And I'm Jesse here to translate
what Dylan says from film speak into casual English.
What's up, gang? We're back Episode 2, Season 2,
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Episode 2, Episode 27. If you're on Spotify and any
other major streaming platform, but here we are.
Yeah, very few of the platforms actually split us into seasons,
I noticed. Yeah, but I've noticed that,
yeah. But I, I have noticed like the
more that we've been podding, like I've been looking at other
podcasts and there are a few that do do seasons.
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So I'll, I guess I don't feel that special anymore because of
that. But I still think, you know,
it's still a rare thing that I think.
Do podcasts that are for example, more, I don't know what
word you want to use, but like for example, true crime
podcasts, they tend to be seasonal because they'll focus
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on the specific case. Yeah.
And I think something like like ours movie podcast, they just
let it run from episode 1 to 300because they're never going to
run out of things to talk about.Right.
Yeah, fair enough. That's just my observation
anyway. I don't I don't know how true
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that actually is in in practice,but we'll see.
We'll see like we're still, we're still on Season 2 folks.
But like a spoiler alert, like we are prepping for season 3.
So it's like. Yeah, like.
Man, we really are like a real show.
Yeah, we really are. We're out here producing Season
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2. We're also prepping Season 3 and
outlining and writing the scriptfor Season 4.
We're basically like the Batman crime trilogy, you know?
Yeah, yeah. We're we're basically the the
production company of an independent TV channel because
we have the podcast, the YouTubechannel, the Patreon.
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So, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're a multi faceted,
multi talented group here over at Nightfall Media.
Yeah. That's just a a a very
independent media company right now.
Yep, it's what we do, gang. It's what we do.
Anyways, last week we talked. We talked about F1 and I did say
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if I had any more thoughts, I'd come back and share them.
But I think I shared everything I wanted to say about that film.
I yeah, we listened to the episode and I'm like, you know
what? I'm I'm pretty proud of where
that conversation went. Yeah, I feel like when I
listened to it, I thought to myself, there is one thing that
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I want to add, but I forgot it during all of the pre production
madness that we were dealing with with our producer.
Maya. Yeah, she yeah, No offense,
Maya, it's just things got a little heated.
But anyway, the only thing that I actually want to say about F1
is that unfortunately I now haveto retract my statement that F1
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is the best movie of 2025 because I have seen one battle
after another. So the best movie of 2025 is now
1 battle after another. That didn't.
That didn't last very long, yeah.
Damn, bro. And I guess without without
spoiling anything, what makes you say that's like like last
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week you mentioned, you know, F1was like the heart of the the
heart of the movie, the the camera work, all that made it,
you know, the best movie of the year to you.
What made this movie The best movie of the year to you?
I think it is one of the most richly layered, thought out and
nuanced films I've seen in years.
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I think it has so much to say about our current landscape,
where we are as a country. But it's interesting because the
director, Paul Thomas Anderson, he spent 20 years writing this
film. So in some ways, I think the
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first, say, 30 to 40 minutes of the film are actually more
reflective of the political climate of something like the
1960s, whereas the rest of the movie I think is better
interpreted through a present day lens.
But what I, what I really think is so thoughtful about 1 battle
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after another is I think you andI have alluded that Hollywood
kind of has a bias towards, you know, a certain ideology.
I think what's really interesting about this film is
that it critiques radical politics on both ends of the
spectrum. OK.
And our protagonist in the film,Leonardo DiCaprio, my man, is a
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true Lib like me, You know, he is a good solid Clinton Obama
Lib. Yeah.
He's a communist. No, no, that's that's the thing
the movie openly critiques. Like far left progressivism,
right? Yeah.
So Bernie Sanders would not likethis film.
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No. Oh damn.
Yeah. Bernie.
I am once again asking for more liberal protagonists.
OK, you don't think it was too academic as you said about, you
know, the best movie of all timethis year is Sinners?
No, I don't see. I think this is the key
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difference for me. I think 1 Battle After Another
has better filmmaking than Sinners does.
This movie is. I believe the official runtime
is 2 hours and 45 minutes. It did not feel that long at
all. I felt like I was out of there
in two hours. It's one of the most well paced,
well structured films I've seen in a long time.
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Easy breezy the whole time. I mean, after those first 30 to
40 minutes, you're not going to want to leave your seat.
Like it's one of those movies where you're clenching the
armrests the whole time. And then just the the editing,
the cinematography, sound design.
I just, I think there's way morehere than there was in Sinners.
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I mean, there's a a sequence at the end of 1 battle after
another where there's a three-way car chase.
And I don't know if you know where Borrego Springs is.
It's down near San Diego. OK, so there's a car chase
through Borrego Springs, but therolling hills of that road and
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PTA, just the way he shoots thatby putting the camera on the
front of the car, but not like he doesn't want you to feel like
the driver. It's almost like he puts it on
the front bumper. So you're getting this view of
the car chase in these rolling hills and it, it turns into this
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weirdly almost meditative sequence.
And it's just I, I, I, I, I loved it.
I mean, my, me and my family actually drove down that road
when we went to Arizona when I was I was really young.
I think it was after first or second grade, Right.
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So, yeah, interesting to see because I've, I've been there.
But this movie was shot in different parts of the state,
like Eureka, Sacramento, San Juan, Batista, Borrego Springs,
all California. Yeah.
So this, you know, this is this is an actual California film.
Interesting. Yeah, I mean, that probably
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biases me a little bit, but it. Biases.
Me too. Any any film shot in California
has my vote. Yeah, that shows my bias in
where we stand. Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
But I, I do think there's more to this movie on a filmmaking
perspective. And then I think thematically
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it's just more clear about what it wants to say than than
sinners. But I can see, you know, people
on either extreme not liking 1 battle after another because
they're going to they want theirside to be the hero.
And I think this, the group of people that this is going to
resonate with the most is the people that are actually able to
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engage with the film as it exists.
And that's I think if, as we've proven on this show a couple
times, that population is dwindling very fast.
They're like the kind of people that like don't understand the
message and the underlying philosophy.
I'm like I say philosophy, but the, I guess the underlying
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message of like, you know, movies like Pain and Gain.
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
Exactly, Yeah. All right, fair enough.
I mean, so I mean, I remember when you texted me about it,
like you were kind of hyped about it.
So I guess it did live to the hype that it set out for you.
Yeah, and I think this is one ofthe best Leo performances I've
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seen in years. Enough to win him an Oscar.
I would give it to him. Oh shit, OK.
But I do have to see that Marty Supreme movie starring Timothy
Chalamet that comes out in a couple months.
Our ladies and gentlemen just watch a couple months from now
then it's going to be like I need to retract what I said on
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episode 2 of season 2 of below online podcast because this
movie is not my, you know, the best movie of the year.
Well. I think the reason it sticks out
to me, particularly the Leo performance, is because I've
always struggled with Leo as an actor.
I've never been crazy about him the way some people are.
And I think Leo is actually muchbetter in comedic roles than he
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is in dramatic roles. Like when Leo's seriousness is
treated as a joke or it's kind of framed in this kind of over
the top nature like it is in TheWolf of Wall Street or Once Upon
a Time in Hollywood or Don't Look Up.
I don't know if you've seen that.
Yeah. I think that's actually where he
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shines, as opposed to when he's trying to be, like, super
serious Cary Grant in like, The Revenant or, you know, all of
the other prestige films that he's made.
I think PTA and Tarantino know how to use DiCaprio way better
than Scorsese, which is kind of weird because Leo and Scorsese
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have been working together for, like, a long time.
A long time, yeah. Interesting.
OK, damn. I mean, I, I, I do want to give
like that film a watch and, you know, hopefully I can see it in
theaters before it goes away. Because the way streaming is
these days, movies move out to streaming fast, or they go there
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at the same time. The window is way too short in
my opinion. Yeah, I just saw a trailer for,
I don't know if I think it was Jordan Peels in the movie him.
Oh, it's already on streaming. Yeah, that's what.
I was gonna say like I, I I could have sworn I saw like a
trailer for it, like in the movie theaters last time I went.
And next, you know, boom. I see it's already on VOD
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streaming. Like, oh, OK, I guess I will not
be watching that one in theaters.
So hopefully this one, this one is, you know, this one can stay
in theaters just a bit longer and and like, you know, in time
enough for me to go watch it because it's been a while since
I've seen a movie in a theatre. Yeah, and I also think too, Sean
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Penn delivers one of the great all time villain performances
we've seen, especially within like the last 20 years or so.
OK, interesting. I do love a good villain.
Yeah. Like, you know what?
I I have a fondness for villains.
Like there are a lot of movies where like, I just want the
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villain to the villain to win sometimes just because, you
know? Oh, you won't want him to win,
but I think the performance is extremely compelling.
All right, Yeah. Watch me watch the movie and be
like, you know what? Tom Penn's character did nothing
wrong. He should have won.
I would be extremely shocked if that was your opinion, ah.
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OK, that means he's a Republican, basically.
Yeah, that's what that means. All right, guys.
All right, shout. I'm not going to get too
political here. It's.
It's a joke. All jokes here.
We are not a political podcast whatsoever.
No, but OK. Fair enough.
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Yeah. All right.
Well, I'm going to check out that film soon, but it's been an
interesting couple of weeks since, like, Yeah, like, since
we just got back into the swing of things.
You've dyed your hair. You're back to your.
Thor Yeah, but like, dyed my hair blonde, yeah.
But without like the Thor haircut, just the Thor color.
What's up with that? Yeah, well, you know, the first
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time I did it, I did it because I was kind of a walking cliche.
Not, but I felt that they would look pretty cool.
Well, I'm glad you did. You're one of the few.
Thank you. They're not so funny.
Like every time I support my guyfriends, like doing something
different with their with their hair, like it's usually like
women who are not like appreciative of like the new
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hairstyle. Like I had AI had a friend,
friend of the show. We hope we'll get him on that
someday. Jerry, at some point.
He had long hair. Don't care.
Yeah, I fucked with that because, you know, for the
longest. Time he embraced.
It Yeah. Ever since he was a kid, he's
always rocked like the crew cut.So when he finally, you know,
did something different and grewout his hair, I was like, you
know what, I fuck with that. At some point you put in a
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little bun and I was like, yeah,there you go.
There you go, Mr. Samurai. Like Mr. Aztec Samurai looks.
Like he's going to go make some kombucha.
Yeah, and then his sister, like,just bullied him so hard.
That. You know, cutting his hair and,
you know, now he looks like backhow we used to look like.
Yeah, our composer of the intro music, Levi, loves it.
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Yeah, yeah. See, so I'm always supportive
when all my guy friends do something different.
Switch it up. You done your hair.
I'm like, you know what? I fucked with it.
Yeah. Thank you.
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, if only we.
Can do the same thing for cast cuz he's been rocking the same
haircut since third grade. Oh, has it been third grade?
I think. I mean, I have.
I've only known him since 7th soI.
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Think he, he talks about it because he'll, he'll talk about
like in kindergarten he used to have like his hair slicked back
or whatever. Is it his?
Classy. Man, yeah, his hair was very
different as a child compared towho it is now, but at some point
he just found a hairstyle and itjust never changed.
Yeah, I just ran with it, yeah. I like, I, I can't grow hair.
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I mean, I can't, but like, you know, I'm already balding so I
just shaved it off. Like if anything, I'm just
living vicariously to all my friends.
So maybe that's why I'm so supportive, you know?
Maybe, maybe, hey, whatever, whatever works, right?
Hey, that's what I said. You know, not everybody
supported the look, but I'm like, you know what?
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I just kind of need to change. Yeah.
And it's just it's an easy thingto do, so I dyed it.
There you go. Yeah, what was the occasion?
I dyed it for the race. I just want to look fast.
I want to feel fast, you know? I mean RSPD placebo effect.
Yeah. You know, you feel fast, you
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look fast, you run fast. It's like a metaphor for like,
Barry Allen trying to invade theFlash.
Can you know he is blonde? No, it's not surprisingly.
I think my thinking honestly is that, man, this is turning
weirdly personal. I think that's.
What we do here at below. My bed.
You're right. We tell stories.
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We champion storytelling. Yes.
I think my thinking is the firsttime I did it, I had a, I'm
going to use very kind language here, falling out with someone
very close to me, very importantto me, and I dyed it.
Ironically. She loved it, but it was too
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late to salvage it, that whole thing.
But the point is, I think my thinking is the first time I did
it, I did it during the time where I was kind of spiraling
and just not going through a good time at all.
And I think there's kind of maybe even for some of the
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people that don't like it and association with the hair color
and that time and me now, when Iwent through the injury, I was
like, I feel like I'm just flailing against the wall here.
Now that I'm able to run, my thought process is I'm going to
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take the power back here. Like I'm reclaiming that look,
just like I'm going to reclaim my love of running and I'm going
to do it sporting the hair colorthat I think a lot of people
kind of associate with a pretty dark time in my life.
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I, I honestly think that is the best way I could explain it.
Dance. So that there you go, Chad, that
that's, that's the story behind the haircut.
All right? You know I still fuck with it
either way. Thank you.
No worries, man. But another thing that I I told
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you I was going to ask you aboutthis in the pod when we were
texting. Yeah, like prior to the show and
like the week before. So you are no longer a Swifty.
Actually you still are, but. It's not that I'm not a Swifty,
it's that her new album is absolutely terrible.
It's not Swifty enough for you. It's not that it's not Swifty
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enough for me. We what was it that the mental
health episode where we brought Taylor Swift up somewhere
around, yes, somewhere around there.
I I think I've had a weird kind of Arc here with Taylor Swift,
because in 2020 she did make what would end up being
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genuinely two of my favorite albums of all time with Folklore
and Evermore, And it representedthis kind of artistic growth for
her that I apparently I've been waiting my whole life for.
And then after the pandemic, shehas slowly but surely regressed
in terms of her songwriting. And it's it's it's obviously not
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a popular opinion because when Iwould try to articulate this, of
course I would just get attackedby the the hardcore Swifties.
But she put out an album in 2022called Midnights.
It wasn't terrible, it was just aggressively mediocre.
Clearly a step down from folklore and evermore.
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Last year, she released. An album called the Tortured
Poets Department, where she tried to portray herself as this
like Shakespearean writer, like the the Shakespeare of our
generation, this Dickensian storyteller who's just masterful
with words. And then on that same album she
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says shit like you smoked then ate 7 bars of chocolate.
We declared Charlie Puth should be a big artist.
I scratch your head. You fall asleep like a tattooed
golden retriever. You can't pretend to be the New
age Shakespeare and then write that.
You also can't have a song whereyou say touch me while your Bros
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play Grand Theft Auto. That's not Shakespearean.
And then, you know, with this most recent album, it's called
The Life of a Showgirl, so you would think it's supposed to be
some kind of commentary about being the most famous pop star
on the planet. Especially the sort of level of
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fame she attained during the AIRS tour in 2023.
One would think it was supposed to be about that.
No, it's not. It's just this really weird,
cynical, self absorbed, jaded album that has some of the truly
most confounding Taylor Swift lyrics I've ever heard.
I'm not sure what's going to getus flagged on here, but I will
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just tell you there is a song that is about Travis Kelsey's
fucking Dick on this album and it is absolutely terrible.
I mean, it's, it's not even thatshe's singing about that.
It's the the lyrics themselves. This woman wrote New Heights,
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which is the title of it. His podcast new heights of
manhood, Redwood tree. It ain't hard to see.
His love was the key that openedmy thighs.
And this is all performed like in F major.
It might as well be a nursery rhyme.
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And then there's a song where she says, did you girl boss too
close to the sun. There's a song called Father
Figure where she says I'll be your father figure.
Drink that brown liquor. I make deals with the devil,
'cause my Dick's bigger. And I'm like, OK, there's a lot,
there's a lot of Dick lyrics in this album.
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There's a line where she says mypussy has rizz.
Yeah. And then even even more, more
crazy. I It's hard to tell you what the
worst lyric in this album reallyis, but there's there's another
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line in there where she says it's almost like a diss to
Charli XCX where she says you'realways talking dirty.
Kind of sounds like flirting. There's a line that I'm
forgetting, but then she ends like, this bridge with it's kind
of making me wet. And the whole album just feels
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so gross. I don't know how to explain it.
Yeah, like. She like.
I feel like I'm not supposed to have heard these lyrics, you
know what I mean? Yeah, But yeah, she's 35, and
she's singing about Travis Kelce's Dick, right?
You know, it's like this big revelation.
You don't think that's like, youknow, female empowerment, No.
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OK, I don't and I would feel thesame way if this was if this was
a man. This is just, this is
unacceptable from the woman thatwrote folklore.
I mean Drake is like what? Like they're like he's in his
like also late 30s and he he didlike, you know, and his Drake
and his Kendrick did this. He was like, you know what,
That's big demons video proof. Except that was a bar, no homo.
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Well, I'm not trying to, it's gonna sound like a double
standard, but I think the reasonI found that acceptable is
because that was a rap beef. The, the, the, the supposed like
Taylor Swift song. That's a diss to Charli XCX.
Charli XCX has never actually dissed Taylor Swift.
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The the Taylor Swift song is a response to a Charlie song
called Sympathy is a Knife. And in that song, she's actually
talking about her insecurities about how she feels small and
irrelevant compared to Taylor Swift.
Like, it's not a diss. So it's just, it's, it's so much
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about this just rubs me the wrong way.
In addition to the songwriting just being absolutely terrible.
And then the the opening track is called The Fate of Ophelia.
And for someone who likes to call herself like your English
teacher, Taylor Swift has a profound misunderstanding of the
greatest piece of fiction ever written, known as Hamlet.
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I mean. Great, great, great.
Best experience? Yeah, yeah.
And I'm probably being a little soy about that because I
portrayed Hamlet our senior year, you know, so like, I, I
have like, some personal offensealmost.
It's it's a little parasocial, Ican admit.
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But like, it's clear that she doesn't understand the play,
which is weird because when she announced her engagement to
Travis Kelsey, she's like, your English teacher and your gym
teacher are getting married. Like OK then why doesn't my
English teacher understand Hamlet?
Right. I don't know, it's just, it's
very weird, man. Like this, this whole thing.
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And then there's this. This is my last complaint.
Then we're gonna actually get into the the fucking episode.
There's this song where she complaints about how she just
wants everyone to leave her and Travis the fuck alone.
Good. Then leave us alone.
Like stop selling her shit. Stop showing up at his games all
the time and and have the camerapan to you 50 times.
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Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone.
Like stop, sell. This album has been out for a
week and there are 31 variants of this album. 31 to just run up
the numbers, run up the streams,run up the sales.
It's, it's just so cynical, man.Like I don't know who this
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person is, right? Like, it's not that I, you know,
if it sounds like I'm being cruel, it's because I'm, I'm
hurt a little bit. You're hurt, fan.
You're hurt. You're speaking from a place of
hurt, Yeah. I mean, it's just like, you
know, if if you want us to leaveyou alone, then good.
Stop. Stop being such an attention
seeker like. Especially what's the What's the
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name of the album called again? From the life of a showgirl.
OK. I mean, and, and Travis Kelsey,
like, just stop. Like, to me, the whole
relationship just feels so manufactured.
Like, yeah, he is a perpetual cloud chaser.
I feel. I honestly feel like he's just
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hitching his wagon to the TaylorSwift sort of hype train.
The minute it no longer serves him, I feel like that
relationship is doomed. Yeah.
And maybe she'll go back to, youknow, her, her writing roots,
and write another heartbreak falling in her 40s.
The divorce album is gonna hit. Yeah, I see.
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I'm not gonna doubt it. But that, that's interesting
because from the from the outside looking in, that that is
me because I, I've never been one to, I've never been to
Swifty or one to care about Taylor Swift's music.
I think she wrote like one song back when she was a teenager
that I liked or whatever. What's the one?
Is it Romeo and Juliet? Love story, love story.
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I think she was a teenager or like, like.
No, she was 15 when she. Wrote yeah, it's OK.
So she was a teenager. And it's funny because like I, I
like, I speak of her as like shewas a teenager.
She's older than me. So I would have been like an
adolescent. Yeah.
When that song came out, but like from the outside looking
in, that is me. It just seems that like her just
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from like, I haven't, I haven't heard the album, but just like
listening to like the way you describe it.
And also just like the the name of the the name of the album.
And I think I seem like like thecover art for it.
It's like Taylor, you're, you're35.
Like you kind of spend your whole life like as a, as a pop.
So you start off as, you know, country, then you transition to
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pop and you, you, you've been like this, this pop singer.
And at some point, you know, youdropped, like, Dylan's two
favorite albums of all time, which I didn't listen to, but
apparently, you know, they're deep and meaningful and, like,
there was a lot of like. They're they're more like genre
wise, they're more like indie folk cottage core albums.
But like, how would you describelike the lyrics?
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Like were they like were there any like Dick lyrics in there?
She has removed like, I think the most interesting thing about
folklore and Evermore is that she removed the autobiographical
element. Like she's telling stories that
could really apply to anybody. And then too, a lot of these are
are just completely fictionalized because she wrote
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them during the pandemic when she was quarantined.
So she kind of just let her imagination run wild.
But it's just like, I have a hard time processing how she
wrote those albums and then justdevolved into her last two.
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It it doesn't make sense, right?I don't, I don't know what to
say. Like, like because I, I, because
I, I can analyze like the situation, but again, like I'm
not a fan. So like I could be like way off
base. But like for me, like it, it
looks like, like, you know, I, and this is me not trying to
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shame women who are getting older or whatever.
Like that's not what I'm trying to do at all.
But you know, like she is kind of like phasing out of like, you
know, being like that, that poster girl, like that poster
white girl, because she she's not a girl anymore.
She she's a grown ass woman. Like she's a woman.
So I mean, she's been a woman. But what I'm saying is that she
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kind of like had her, she had her spot as being like, you
know, like that cute little white girl or whatever.
And she's not that anymore. Now it's like someone like
Sabrina Carpenter, but like, youknow, someone, someone like when
you mention like the lyrics thatwere like going against Charlie
XCX when you mentioned them, I was like, you know, the I, I, if
I didn't know who, who like that, you know, this beef or
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whatever was going on, I would have assumed those lyrics were
directed as Sabrina Carpenter because, you know, just the way
that the way that Sabrina carries herself, like now she's
like the next little poster white girl, except she's a lot
more raunchier than Taylor Swiftever was.
And it seems like Taylor Swift is trying to grab onto like some
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sort of sex appeal with the nameof the album.
And like the, the album art covers I've seen.
I haven't seen the other 30 versions.
I've only, I've only seen one version, But just based off that
one version, I'm like, you know what, Taylor?
Like you are kind of trying too hard right now to like come off
as sexy. And like, I'm not saying that
women in their 30s can't be sexy, but it feels like you're
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trying to compete with like women who are in their 20s who
are like Sabrina Carpenter, like, and other people who who
are already doing that and are kind of known for that.
Whereas Taylor Swift has always kind of been like, you know, as
you said, like the school teacher, like the like the
modest kind of person. Yeah.
And now she's out here talking about Dick and bussy and all
that kind of shit. But again, I could be completely
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off base. It's just my observation.
So chat, don't kill me. I'm no.
I think that's insightful considering you're not a fan.
Yeah, but interesting. Like, I, it's whirlwind.
Yeah. Like the only reason I want to
ask you about this is because I know that you're a Swifty.
So yeah, when when we were texting and you're like, yeah,
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Taylor Swift's newest album, like it ain't it, blah, blah,
blah, blah. I was like, hold on, say more,
but say more when we start potting.
Yeah. Damn.
I think she needs to take a a serious break and and do some
reflecting about what kind of music she wants to make and and
what she wants to say at this point in her career, because I
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think creatively she's just got nothing anymore.
Like I think she's just, I think, well, not that I'm will,
I would listen to her music regardless, but I think she's in
place where she needs to like start transitioning into like
like a different, not like not even necessarily a different
sound, but just like transitioning to like the new
part of her life. If she's going to get married,
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great. But you know, you're 35, so no
one wants to hear about you rapping or not rapping, sorry,
but like singing about your, your fiance's Dick or how like,
you know, you're such like a, like a like a boss bitch with
your pussy and all this. Like, like these are things that
like, you know that you would expect like when like when
you're younger and like, you know, you're when you say like
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out of pocket out of. Pocket shit like that, yeah.
But like, you know, once you're like, I think once as an, as an
artist, once you get to like your mid 30s to your 40s, we
want to hear like, you know, like that, like that Jay-Z 444
and like, yeah, like you want tohear those like those mature
albums at that point, because atthis point, like Taylor Swift,
like her fans, like they've grown up with her.
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So it's like, what are you doingtrying to appear appeal to a
younger audience when you know like most of your fans are going
to be like similar to your age, like you and I?
Wondered if that was part of theproblem.
I had to ask myself, am I just getting old?
Yes, but also she is too. And she she's trying a little
too hard to appeal to like the younger generation when it's
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like you have a core audience that is like your age and wants
to hear like your life from yourperspective at this point in
your life. Yeah.
But, you know, we'll see how hernext album goes because she
she's still young enough where like, I, I expect her to be
like, still be dropping albums, but she probably won't be as
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relevant as, you know, usually in in music, it's it's a young
person's game. Yeah, but she can still be like,
like a like a what was her name?Dolly.
She had like a Dolly Parton, pardon, you know, like she she
was like a musician for like years, ever since she was young.
And obviously she was still popular in in like in her older
years, but clearly not as popular when she was like the IT
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girl in your like, you know, 20sand 30s.
So Taylor, like as Sam Wilson said in in his captain or in the
Falcon show, do better. Yeah, I think, you know, even
though you're not part of the Taylor Swift fandom or like,
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tapped into the situation right now, I think you kind of hit the
nail on the head. Like, Taylor Swift used to lead
the cultural zeitgeist. And at least in terms of the pop
music landscape, it doesn't feellike she is anymore.
I feel like she's, she is tryingto like catch up or occupy a
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space that's being filled by someone like Sabrina Carpenter
and. It's the Nicki Minaj.
Fan. I haven't heard of a ton of
Sabrina Carpenter songs but I know her style.
Yeah. Brushes everywhere I can't get
away from right if I try it likeI, I watch one TikTok or one
YouTube short and it's like now it's like every other video and
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and you know what I'm gonna go on a low rant right now.
This is not against Sabrina Carpenter.
This is just against like this is just against the the
algorithm, the algorithm and like the AI, the the lazy AI
videos that people put out wherethey're like, Oh, did you know
like Sabrina Carpenter said thisand what does it mean?
Well, in the interview, blah blah, blah, Sabrina Carpenter
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said blah blah, or another videowhere it will be about like K
pop idols, where like, do you know why Lisa never where does
this or whatever? It's because, and then it's
like, bro, I don't want to watchthese AI videos where you're
just like talking about these artists and like their personal
lives and like manufacturing because I don't even think
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there's the real reasons why They're just like making the
video and like trying to manufacture like views.
And you watch one or two of those videos and now suddenly
your algorithm is filled with them.
And it just pisses me off as a as a short form content
consumer. Fair enough.
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Yeah, fair enough. But but anyways, Chad, that was
that was their little introduction and banter as you
can that's. The longest banter of all time.
Honestly, that's good, though. It felt it felt authentic.
If I did it did. This is like we're we're trying
to do like a hard segue into theactual conversation of the
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episode because as you can tell by the title of this episode
that will be named after we finish recording this episode,
like you know what, we're going to talk about chat, but you
know, you got to ease into thesethese things.
Yeah, fair enough. But yeah, so chat, as you know,
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if you listen to the last week'sepisode of Below the Line
podcast, and if you haven't, please give it a listen.
Run, run the numbers up. But towards the end, I asked you
all to get ready for a, for a little bit of nudity.
Well, it's been a week now weeksover, it's here.
It's time to get a little bit intimate because today we're
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talking about the good, the bad and the naked Gun.
The movie, not these bear arms Dylan and I have here on display
in the studio. The movie.
I'm sorry like you, if we had anaudience, if this has been
filmed and recorded, we we wouldhave to like, you know, censor
it on YouTube and all major platform streaming services
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because you know, these guns right here.
Too much, too much, man. Yeah.
Too much. Too much.
But anyways, that was a joke, ladies and gentlemen.
So talking about the Naked Gun ha ha, like this is like just
like LeBron James, the Decision commercial recently tricked you.
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Ha ha. I don't know if you saw that,
but. I did, yeah, OK.
For those not in the know, a couple days ago LeBron James
tweeted. Like tomorrow, you know, I'm
going to be making like the big decision And everyone thought
like, oh shit, he's going to announce his retirement.
This is a number like ticket sales for, I think it's the the
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Lakers against Utah, like ticketsales for like that game went up
because they people thought thatwas going to be his last game
ever. The day comes, next day comes
over. What is the decision?
It's a fucking Hennessy commercial.
I mean, I, I, I knew he wasn't going to retire, but I'm like,
what is he going to do? And yeah, it, it, it was so
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dumb. But there's a word for this.
What is it called? When like, you know, like a fake
out, I guess like you, you lead with you, you try to convince
people that it's going to be onething and it's another thing.
A misdirect. Misdirection.
Yeah, misdirect. And to wrap this little this
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little tangent up, there's there's a fan suing LeBron James
because he spent over $100. Kidding me.
Yeah, no, it's it's fucking stupid.
He's going to lose. But there's a fan suing LeBron
James because he spent over $100purchasing the ticket for like
the Utah Lakers game, because, you know, everybody thought that
last thousand be his last game. Now that we know it's not ticket
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prices went down. So he's basically, he's
basically out of pocket those 800 bucks.
And he's doing LeBron James. And I think it's stupid, like,
homeboy, you're not going to win.
But. No, you're not.
It's easy for me to say because it didn't happen to me, but just
take it on the chin and move on.Yeah, just take it on the chin.
But anyways, enough about LeBronJames.
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We are not a Laker supporting household here.
We are a Warrior supporting household.
So anyways, we're not going to talk about basketball.
We're going to talk about the Naked Gun.
The the new the new one this this the the the reboot sequel,
the the re sequel, the re sequelor the the Cebu.
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You know, I'm going to say rightnow with anyone who hasn't seen
this film, within the 1st 5 minutes of watching this film,
you will know whether or not it's for you or it's not for
you. Like if if you watch the 1st 5
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minutes and you're not laughing or making like, you know, have
an amused smirk on your face, this movie is not for you.
Yeah. Like right away, like I
guarantee like anybody watching this, like watch like the first
5 minutes, you will know if thismovie is is for you or not for
you. Yeah, I agree with you.
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Because I watched this movie with my dad and we, we watched
the streaming, of course. And when he first clicked on it,
he was like the Naked Gun. Like there's a new one like Liam
Neeson. Like I don't, I don't know if
this is like, I like the originals with Leslie Nielsen,
the Nielsen. But I don't know if like my dad
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was like unsure, played the first 5 minutes.
He was locked in because like these movies are like, yeah,
these movies, because it's not just this one, even like the
legacy films, just like the comedy.
And like, these are such absurd movies.
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Yes, that's kind of like, you know what?
If you're in it, you're in it. And if you're not, then it you
got to turn it off and watch something else.
There's nothing this movie can do.
If the if the absurdity of the deadpan humor is not for you,
this movie is not for you. Fair enough.
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Yeah, Yeah. But yeah, no, So 1st 5 minutes,
my dad watched this film and it,it was fucking great.
And let me paint the scene for like the people there's like
it's, it's if you've seen the commercials, you, you kind of
have a hint at it. Like the opening scene is Liam,
like there's there's a bank robbery going on and the, the
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police, police are surrounding the bank and like they're
they're getting ready to infiltrate.
And there's this little girl with a lollipop skipping around.
And the police officers like, no, little girl don't go in,
come back. And she just walks into the bank
and all. And like all like the armed
robbers, like stop and like point their guns at whoever
entered. And it's a little girl.
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And one of the masked robbers, like pulling masks down.
He's like, what are you doing here?
Or what are you? Yeah, what are you doing in
here? And little girl, you know, oh,
it's a Mission Impossible type shit, like, you know, reaches
down, pulls off the face. It's a mask.
It's not a little girl, it's fucking Liam Neeson.
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And from little girl, fucking like, like, 'cause this was like
a legitimate little girl who walked into the building.
And once the face mask comes off, fucking like he stands up
all tall as shit, like in his full grown ass body.
And he's like, I came here, likeI'm coming for your ass and just
starts fighting. Liam Neeson just starts fighting
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all these bank robbers. And it's the most absurd shit
you have ever seen because like,you know, he had as a little
girl, he had a lollipop as a grown ass man, he flips it
around. It's a Shank now.
He starts shanking the first guy, like people start shooting
at him, takes the body as like, you know, a shield and then
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throws it at them. And as he throws it at them, you
know, he throws it at them as ifhe was like bowling.
So the people fall down. Even play a bowling.
Sound effect, like they fall down like pins you hear like the
bowling sound effect at some point, like he's fighting
another dude and they're a dude like, you know, they're doing
hand to hand martial arts and then at some point they're
fucking playing like a kids game.
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Like the fucking Patty cake. Patty cake yes, and it takes
out, you know, a finger gun. It was like and you hear like a
real gunshot and like dude, likethis movie is like the opening
scene is so absurd that like. If you are not locked in.
Then you're not going to enjoy the rest of the movie.
Yeah. And that's that.
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That's what it was for my dad. Like, right away.
Like, as all this is happening, he's got a smile on his face.
He's smirking like this, 'cause it's, it's just so fucking dumb,
but like dumb in a good way. And yeah, this, this movie, I
think it pays a lot of tribute to the, the original, the
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original movies. And I think it does kind of like
follow like that, that, that deadpan type of humor.
And Liam Neeson, like my dad waskind of worried that like he
wouldn't be able to like carry this film because you think Liam
Neeson, you think taken like, I will find you and I will kill
you or whatever. But his deadpan delivery is so
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fucking good here that I saw clips of this going viral
recently. Where I guess if you've seen the
movie Ted Jim Nelson has a cameoin there and someone, someone
reposted that on TikTok with like the the caption like this
is Liam Neeson's audition role for the Naked Gun and the
audition is him, him. It's a scene in Ted the the one
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with the bear where he's buying a box of cereal and Ted, Ted's a
cashier and he asked him like, so this is this is it true?
Like this, this, this, this box of cereals is only for children.
I've seen, I've seen the commercials and it says it's
only for children. And Ted the bears like, well,
they, they, they do say that tricks this tricks out for kids.
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But like, like he's basically like the absurdity of the
situation and the way that Liam Neeson is like just so deadpan
in his delivery. Just it's so fucking great.
And that's the entirety of this movie.
Yes. And it's really good.
It is. Yeah.
I think Liam Neeson's reputationas being a complete straight man
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doing a lot of work in in very serious films actually helps him
out here. Oh, yeah.
Because I think what makes the deadpan delivery work is how
straight Liam Neeson is able to deliver this ridiculous
dialogue. I mean he does not flinch saying
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any of this. Stuff.
No. And I think that's what makes it
so effective. But yeah, I I agree that you'll
know within the first few minutes whether or not this is a
movie that's on your wavelength or not.
The reason I knew that I wanted to see this is because I, I was
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already a fan of this kind of absurdist humor because my dad
actually has, gosh, he was the one that showed me the, the
original Airplane film. I, I, I thought that was that
movie's hilarious. I think it's one of the best
comedies ever made. And, and I don't know, something
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about the humor just really appeals to me.
I mean, everybody knows the iconic line.
Surely you can't be serious. Don't call me.
I am. And don't call me Shirley.
Yeah. And then, you know, when they,
there's that scene where they'retrying to get that that woman
passenger to calm down and they're like, won't you just
calm down? And then they just kind of like,
end up physically abusing her. And then everybody just gets in
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line with some kind of object ordevice to, like, just beat the
shit out of her with, like, there's just something about
that humor that I find so funny.Yeah.
And it's a deadpan delivery. Yeah.
I knew that this was going to appeal to me, But what I don't
think I was ready for was the fact that this this is a real
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comedy. Yeah, no, it is.
And in, in the, in the absurdestway because, because like, like
to be fair, like there's, there are a lot of ways to do comedy.
And the way that this movie doescomedy, it's like it realized a
lot. It relies on a lot of like, you
know, deadpan delivery, a lot ofgags, a lot of like, you know,
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ridiculous, like over the top orlike meta things.
Like in the beginning scene, like the were the robbers there
to steal? Yeah.
Something called a. Plot device it's.
Literally written on the on the Mac guffin like PLOT like you
know. It's an acronym.
Acronym but you see like P period, L period, L period, T
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period and then device plot device.
It's like, all right, like this movie, it, it's already been
like whimsical and silly, but itthe way that it's taking kind of
like, you know, so seriously, itit, it leads it, it, it leads a
lot. Into it.
There are so many great visual gags in this movie in addition
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to, you know, the, the spoken dialogue.
And I think that's what makes the movie so fun to me is that
you can get a lot out of this even on a rewatch because
there's, there could be like twoor three jokes happening on the
screen at the same time that 2 characters are having a
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conversation and you might miss one of those things.
So when you go back and rewatch it, you could catch something
and it just kind of makes the movie even funnier, which I, I
personally appreciate. But yeah, I mean, the, the plot
device thing was funny. But I mean, you know, for
example, like when Liam Neeson'scharacter returns to the police
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station, he's walking to his captain's office and there are
some officers walking by becausethey've arrested a little girl
that had a lemonade stand without a permit.
And they don't, they don't call attention to it.
It's just part of the frame. So it's like you just have to
watch the movie and pay attention in order to catch it.
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But it's funny because, you know, she's cuffed and she's
crying, but then the officer's carrying the sign that says
lemonade and it's just like, it's stupid shit like that.
That's just it made me laugh. Yeah.
And I think like, to some degree, like there is some meta
commentary in this film. Like, also like in the again,
like this is all happening within the 1st 5 minutes.
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Like after, you know, Liam Neeson saves the day, he walks
back into like the police station and people are
celebrating. Like, yeah, the was like the the
chief or whatever she calls him.I don't know if she's.
The chief or captain. Captain, chief, whatever his
boss, what do you call it? His boss calls him into the
office and, you know, like starts to get laid.
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She plays like the straight man to his straight man because she
she she lays into him about like, like you like you like
some of the people that you beatup, like there that went to the
ICU, like they're going to sue the Police Department or
whatever. And Liam Lison's character is
like, what? Like, what do you mean I can't
hate people. Like, no, fuck yeah.
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I don't want to fuck up the line, I think he said.
Something like, since when can criminals sue us?
Yeah, I don't know if that's theexact line.
Yeah, something to, but it's something, Yeah, something to
that effect. And he's like, who's going to
stop me? Other cops.
Yeah, yeah. And then like the the boss is
like, are you serious? And like, is he serious?
It's just like the austerity of that 'cause I feel like
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personally, like, that's like a meta commentary of like, you
know, how how we view like the police right now.
So it was just, it was just funny.
Like in that it's making, I mean, I mean, yes, it's a
serious issue, but the fact thatit was being brought up in a
humorous fashion where it's like, damn, yeah.
Like like cops beating up peoplelike that are like or or abusing
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their power like that is the thing.
And like this movie kind of likemakes a like a big.
Comments on that? Yeah, and it's been like years
since I've I've watched the original Naked Gun movies.
I rewatched the first one in preparation for this one and I
don't think there was as much meta commentary as in in those
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films as there was in this one, which I think is like good
because I think like this movie was trying to do something a
little bit different and like, it's trying to also like update
its humor and target audience. I mean, it was it was trying to
appeal to both old fans and new.It's like the humor, while it is
like, you know, in a very similar vein as to the original,
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like there was also like something like new and
refreshing about it. Yeah.
Fucking also, again within the 1st 5 minutes, like Liam Neeson,
like there's like pictures, likethere's like framed pictures of
like, you know, the past cast, 'cause you know, Liam Neeson
plays Frank Junior, the son of Frank who was like The Who was
played by Leslie Nielsen. Nielsen or niece?
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No, it's Nielsen Nielsen. I think.
I think that's another reason why they got Liam Neeson.
Like come on, Leslie. Leslie Nielsen, Liam Nissan,
come on, it's right there. But so he's the son of the
original OGOG Frank and he's just, you know, basically like
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talking to his dad who who he passed away and I don't want to
fuck up the delivery. Someone needs you to repeat the
line for me. But he says something to the
effect of. He says something like while.
Looking at the picture and Dad, I want to be just like you, but
at the same time I want to be completely original and stand on
my own. It's just.
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Like shit like that where it's like that, like this movie is
being. Meta and like on the nose about
like what is doing and what it is.
But I think that that's what makes the movie, like, so
fucking fun. Yeah.
And then like you got everybody else like all these.
All the new characters. Like, you know, also pay
respects to like their dads who are like, you know, also actors
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in the previous films. And then you get to like, you
know, OJ Simpson's son. And he's like, hey pops, Nah,
I'm not. And he does that while looking
at the. Camera.
Yeah, and it's. Like, you know what?
That's it's. Fucking great.
Because yeah, like when I rewatched the original Naked
Gun, I forgot that OJ Simpson was in it.
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It's like, oh shit. I honestly.
Yeah. So.
Again, this this all happened when the within the 1st 5 minute
folks. And the movie like it gets even
wackier. But I just thought that like all
these gags that we've just spentthe last like 1520 minutes
dissecting. Like that's what I mean, like,
if it's not, if it's not your humor, you're not going to
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you're going to know right away.That's not for you, but it is
for me. So I like that's why it's so
easy to just like break down like the first 05 minutes of
this movie. And another, another great thing
too, is this movie not that long?
It's like 90. It's a little bit over 90
minutes roughly. It's like, yes, yeah, I am a
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champion of movies being, you know, 90 minutes, you know, back
when like movies were like an hour and a half.
Like, I am a champion of that because a lot of movies are,
are, are a lot of movies these days tend to be bloated, like
bloating the runtime. I caught the the the Zack Snyder
effect where they try to be like, you know, longer than they
should be. And like, if you're not Zack
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Snyder or someone of that caliber, you should not be
making movies that are this long.
Luckily, Naked Gun Hour. And 1/2.
You can easily watch it at leasttwice and it still you can watch
the movie twice and it'll still be shorter than The Batman.
Ouch, that's not. That's not not the Batman I'm.
Just. Like The Batman.
Is a good film that does use itstime wisely, but I'm just saying
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like the same runtime, like thismovie, you can watch it
back-to-back and you can't say that about a lot of films.
So you really can't. That's a lot of kudos to this.
This one right here. Yeah, but anyways, I spent a lot
we spent. A lot of time in.
The 1st 5 minutes. So as per usual at as or maybe
not as per usual, but as you know we've been doing recently,
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we're going to give a very overview.
Broad strokes. Broad.
Yeah, Broad. Strokes.
I mean the plot. Itself is is is pretty simple?
Yeah, honestly, like. It could be.
A Mission Impossible movie There, there is one, and I know
you know which one I'm. Talking about gag that they
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ripped straight from Mission Impossible Fallout that I was
just ecstatic to see given everything that's that we've
talked about in the past couple months.
Yeah, like this. This movie.
It, it's really good and I, I'm,I'm surprised.
Of how good it was, because I'llbe honest, when I first saw the
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trailers, I was kind of like, itdidn't move you, it didn't move
me. And it was like, why are they
dying? Like.
Why is Liam Neeson, he's 70 years old, Why is he dying his
hair black and, like, trying to appear younger than what he is?
But, you know, as I, as I saw more of the trailer and kind of
like was reminded about of how like what this franchise, like
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is actually going for. Yeah.
What's it about? I was like, all right, I'm cool
with it. And then I watched.
The movie and I was like, all right, I'm I'm sorry, Liam, Lisa
and I I didn't think you could do it.
But no, you you blew my expectations out of the water
like you're deadpan delivery spot on.
But the plot itself is it's really simple.
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Like in the 1st 5 minutes, bad guy steal the Mac guffin called
the plot device literally. And then it turns into like this
detective esque story where, youknow, Liam Neeson has to figure
out what. Like as he's.
Driving, you know, through the city, brooding.
Oh my God asked himself. That was one of my favorite
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moments, bro. I love it Every time he hired,
every time he did it, he dude like Frank Junior would be
driving. I did not mean to interrupt you.
No, go ahead. But ladies and gentlemen, chat.
Everyone there is a joke. Early in the film and.
And the reason I love this is because, like, you know, big big
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fan of neo noir, big fan of likethe police procedural crime
thriller where he has this opening monologue where he's
like, it was a morning just likeany other.
I woke up in my empty cop apartment and stared at a
picture of my deceased cop wife.It was a perfect cop morning.
(01:00:02):
And it's just so like it's a really.
Simple nothing joke, but it's soeffective because you see that
in every single police show. Yep.
And like I said, like it's like leaning inside.
That like that neo noir, like the monologuing, like the
narration. Fucking like, as you're saying,
it's like, yeah, I got flashbacks.
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To fucking Watchmen with Rorschach, like like this city.
And you could even make a joke about the Batmans.
Yeah. Brought it up like no exactly
and like at some point. Like multiple times in the in
the movie, it's just Frank Junior just driving through the
city and he's just like asked what is the city come to and I
fucking die. Every time that happens.
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Like, because like there are moments where like, you know?
He says. That and he's running people
over and he's part of the problem, yes.
It's. Just like the.
The self-awareness not here. He's just asking what does the
city come to? But yes.
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As you know as the plot. Goes on and he's.
Doing like, you know, what did the city come to?
Like he's he's detective, detective ING, you know,
Batmanning his way through the case while also doing like these
Mission Impossible stunts and finding these like these, these
bad guys. And you know, like you like
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classic. I don't want to, I guess I don't
want to spoil it if you haven't seen the film too much, but just
like you know where the story's going, like.
Oh no. Someone told the Mac.
Guffin at the beginning, who could it be?
And then you find out who it waslike, oh wow, plow villain
reveal to make that coming. Yeah, like to make a Scooby.
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Like. Scooby.
Doo joke like. I like I would have gotten away
with it too if it wasn't for youmeddling kids or another
reference would be this goes outto.
Any anime fans? Out there, like this is like a
JoJo reference, but, you know, it's like the classical reveal,
like it was me deal all along. Ha ha, ha, ha.
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Like this movie is it's simple. The plot is simple.
There is like nothing that you that it's not going to
revolutionize anything in terms of like, you know, telling a
break. A groundbreaking story.
Like the the actual heart of this movie is is in the gags, is
in the characters. And just like how serious they
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take themselves as Frank Junior is driving through the city
asking what does the city come to?
Yeah. And and you know.
What I think earlier you mentioned that there is there,
there is some actual like. Intention to.
Some of these jokes like it is commenting on things like maybe
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police brutality or the way thatwe engage with the police.
And I think this resurfaces again when Frank interrogates
Busta Rhymes and they go throughthe body Cam footage and he
pulls over that guy. But then he's eaten, I think
like 2 chili dogs or something. And he, the guy has like a open,
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open carry firearm in the vehicle.
But then Frank has to go to the bathroom and he's like, you know
what? You seem like a nice guy.
I'm gonna like, you know, like it.
It comments like. The the jokes aren't just like,
completely stupid. Yeah.
And I guess what I'm trying to say is like, there are some
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moments in this movie where theymake jokes at the expense of
things that I was pretty surprised about.
Like, there's a joke where Frankconfronts the villain of the
movie for the first time at his,you know, club or whatever, and
they talk about the Black Eyed Peas and they they make a
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reference. Let's just say that I I was just
blown away to hear in a film in 2025.
Like I was like, Oh my gosh, arewe like, are we finally coming
like full circle to where this is my childhood?
Yeah. I regard to like saying.
You know, words that people are offended by, but people don't
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like when when it's said like, you know, people say it in well
regard. And you know, it's some people
just feel too guarded about somewords being used and get
triggered by it. But yeah, like the yeah.
And I know exactly the joke thatI mean.
I think if if people have watched this movie, they'll
know. What scene we're talking about.
But like, I I was genuinely surprised to hear that because
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even, like, the punch line to that joke is Frank saying in
that beautiful, serious delivery, I didn't know we were
allowed to say that. Still, Like, do you remember
that? Yeah.
Yeah. Like.
Like, that's what like brings itall together.
That's that's what sells it, youknow, like they're having this.
Conversation about the Black Eyed Peas and they're like, it's
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a club where men can be men. And then, as the Black Eyed Peas
would say, get, you know, and then, yeah, Frank follows that
up with the zinger of like, I didn't know we were allowed to
say that. Still with like his with his
raspy. You know.
Cop voice. Yeah.
Yeah. But it you know, like I guess.
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I bring that up as a very hyper specific example to to highlight
what you said. Like this movie is making jokes
and it's there are a few where it's actually like trying to
comment on like, you know, the cultural, I think zeitgeist of
the. Twenty 20s.
Because I, you know, I'm not oneof those guys that is like, you
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know, comedy was, was killed by,you know, whatever, you know, PC
politics. No, it was killed by crowd work.
Yeah, pretty much. It really was Everyone just
never mind. Never mind, never mind.
I was going to make an inappropriate joke.
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But I know you can make those. Yeah, but I agree.
But the point is like this, thismovie makes jokes to to show
like comedy. The purpose of it is not to be
offensive, but it it there does need to be room for it to like
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comment on certain parts of society or our culture that most
people would feel, like you said, either triggered by or
just generally uncomfortable. Like how many comedians make sex
jokes, you know, and, and I think this movie makes just a
couple, like just enough where it's like, oh, that's
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interesting because this is released in 2025 and, you know,
this, this, you know, this is a a media landscape where we are
like heavily, I'm not going to say censored because this is the
United States, but we're we're very, I think kind of policed.
Yeah. About, you know, what's what's
allowed to be said. Look at the look at TikTok.
(01:07:16):
I mean, you know, you can't evensay suicide on TikTok, which I
actually think is more harmful to stigmatizing it than than not
saying it. Yeah.
But you know, that's just me, I'm sure.
If we had a bigger. Audience people would call me
problematic or whatever. No, like this is like my like
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like obviously like the newer. Generation understands, like
begets that or whatever because,you know, they're on TikTok all
the time. But this goes out to all my
millennials, You know, it's likeTwitter before Elon bought it
actually. Like, yeah, Twitter back in the
like the early 2000s, twenty 10s, Oh, it was the wild, wild,
Wild West. You can say some really out of
pocket shit. Yeah.
(01:07:58):
And you know, people when peoplesaid, you know, that out of
pocket shit, most of the time they weren't saying it with any
venom or like, like actual theiractivity.
They're just malicious intent. Yes.
Like people were just like, you know, like that's kind of like
how like the culture of the zeitgeist was at the time.
And then, you know, years later in the 20 tens or I'm sorry,
(01:08:20):
like late twenty 10s or early twenty 20s, people start getting
cancelled for what they tweeted back in 2012.
I like, you know, outside of like just just take like I can I
I can say this as in like they're taking like the tweet
out of context because they don't people don't understand
like what the the cultural zeitgeist was at the time.
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That doesn't I'm like, I'm not it's not an excuse.
Yeah, I'm not excusing it or saying.
That it was right or whatever. It is totality, yes, like at
the. Time like in Twitter like.
Back in the day, like you could say some really out of pocket
shit and yeah, people would laugh.
Like there was some like YouTubetoo, like in the early days,
Like there's a lot of, I don't think a lot of people are going
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to know it's greater, but the Jenna Marbles, like Emma
Chamberlain. Days, yeah.
Or Shane Dawson. Like the jokes that he was
making. Oh my gosh.
Or like when pranks were big on.YouTube.
Do you remember that? Like, yeah, well, those I, I I
hated those. But like that was like.
I'm not saying that was a fan ofthose, but I just remembered
like. Golden age, early YouTube, my
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favorite channel. College Humor.
Yeah. You know, back when they would
say. They they would, they would say
like out of pocket. They would.
Yeah. And then they got too big and.
Like, you know they like as you were saying, they.
Became neutered. Yeah, they neutered themselves.
They policed. Themselves.
Like the humor? Wasn't as audience capture,
yeah. Again, this isn't me trying to
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wave away certain words or like phrases because obviously there
are a lot of things that can be offensive.
And again, I'm not saying comedyshould be offensive for the sake
of being offensive. But like, I can say just
speaking for me and Jesse, that we went to a middle school where
we were called some truly wild shit on a daily basis.
(01:10:05):
Yeah. And that's just how it is.
Like, you know, like we, we weren't called these things
because any of it was true. Like, that was just how it was.
Yeah. And you know, also kids will be
kids. Like kids?
Like kids don't understand like the impact of what words can
have because I'll hear like how high school kids now talk or
(01:10:26):
like middle school kids how theytalk.
And it's like, oh shit, that's like it's not it's it's
obviously like not as out of pocket as like we were, but it's
still like, oh shit for your age.
That's that's that's what you'resaying.
Alright, that's wild. But like it's in a similar vein
where like these are just, I'm not saying like these are just
words, but like you got to contextualize it and like put it
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in its its proper place, historical and cultural context.
Yes. And like the Naked Gun, it's not
afraid to like, you know? Make these jokes and I think
like that, that just like buildson to like, I think like that
adds more to it because you know, it does it's it's not
afraid to enter this territory and make make these jokes that
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modern audiences would find offenses.
And I think that's part of like the charm of this movie where it
does try to appeal to like the older fans because the older
fans, they would have been aliveduring this like this time and
they would have all been like, you know, either like our age or
like adults where like they understood like that context
like this is, you know, this isn't.
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A a comedy that is exactly like The Naked Gun.
But this is always my go to example.
White Chicks. White chicks would never be made
today. You can't make it today.
And I think that movie's fuckinghilarious.
It's. A.
It's a cool. Classic like I I love white.
Chicks. Yeah, but but See.
Like you and I, we grew up like when all of that was OK.
(01:11:54):
Yeah, yeah. Like you're totally right, that
shit would not fly today. No.
Which is crazy because. I, I mean, I, I don't know what
I'm kind of flabbergasted by just the way that like the media
landscape has changed in that like we, we overcorrected.
We, we did too much because I think there's a happy medium and
(01:12:14):
we did not find it. Nope.
Nope. I think at some point like
we're. Gonna, there's gonna be a shift.
We're gonna go back the other way at some point, I think.
Well, I think, I think you're, you're kind of.
Seeing it, Yeah, You're gonna, there's going to be a hard push
for the other direction. Yeah.
And at some point, you know, we're going to like, you know,
like. Like, pendulum back and forth or
(01:12:35):
like, you know, pickleball back and forth.
And we'll find like that happy music.
Yeah. Like, you know, you can say shit
that is like, well. Regarded and like no one will.
Take offense to it. Yeah, exactly.
But yeah, like this. This movie, it just shows.
That the Naked Gun has a little bit.
More sort of intentionality thanjust being like this absurdist
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comedy, even though it excels atthat.
Yes, like this movie. As like Frank Junior was trying
to say like it is, I mean, yeah,it is trying to be original also
being its own thing. And I think it does do that in
these aspects, like specificallywith the jokes, the man in
commentary, like what is trying to like touch upon?
(01:13:19):
Because like, again, I only everwatched the first Naked Gun, so
I forgot like how the other two went.
But just like watching the firstone, I was like, man, like it's
it's just slapstick humor. Yeah, which is like funny, but
that's what it is that basicallylike there's like not much of A
meta commentary or like this this film is not trying to say
anything. It's just, it's just trying to
make you like, well, the culturewas very different in back.
(01:13:41):
In like those in the 80s, seventies, whenever he came out.
Yeah. I think it was like mid late 80s
maybe, yeah. Which is fair, but.
That's. Where I think.
That this film excels in, in that it it stays in the similar
vein, the same vein that the original, the original films
were made in, while also trying to like add something new to the
(01:14:04):
bring something new to the table.
Yeah. And I think it did a great job
in that. I agree.
So like I. Like Chad, like I already gave.
Like the plot. And again, like, it's a really
simple plot. So you're not really here.
That's a very simple plot, yeah.Like you're not here.
You're not watching. This movie for the plot.
You're watching it for the humorand the characters, Yes.
And the characters like, OK, Liam Neeson, like he.
(01:14:30):
I was impressed with. With with, I was impressed.
And it's not like it's not like I'm not.
It's not like I'm saying that I was impressed by the caliber of
his acting. I was just more so impressed
that he can be a comedic actor. Yes.
Or like just like the direction.Like that the movie put him in
because he's a very serious actor and that worked very well
(01:14:52):
in like him being the straight man in this movie because all
this absurd shit is going on andhe he takes himself like them,
like definitely serious. Very.
Like he's like, like the. Word.
Like there. When?
He's interviewing Busta Rhymes and like, he's like very
serious, like show him rewindingand all this shit.
(01:15:12):
Even like the camera footage of like all the shenanigans he's
doing. He's taking himself very serious
and it's just, yeah, it's fucking great.
So. Earlier in the.
Episode You. Meant you mentioned that Ted
reference and I had seen that way before The Naked gun so like
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I don't want to say I already knew that Liam Neeson would be a
good comedic actor because there's something about his
seriousness that just makes the deadpan humor so effective.
I'm not a casting director. I didn't know that, but because
I had seen that scene before andbecause there was a phase in my
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life where I was like super intothose Liam Neeson like B flicks
like like taken non-stop run allnight.
Like I I yeah, I was so into theLiam Neeson like action genre
for a while there. And then, you know, when this
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movie was announced, kind of like what you said, it didn't
move me. And then I watched the trailer
and I was like, you know what? I'm kind of in for this.
Like, I kind of want to see this.
And the joke that sold it for mewas when he was talking to
Pamela Anderson's character, andhe's like, please take a chair.
(01:16:36):
And she walks out with the chair.
Yeah, I'm like, OK, this this isprobably.
My kind of movie, Yeah. Yeah.
And I remember, I remember watching that scene.
It's and I was like. You know what, I fuck with this
movie and like Pamela Anderson to like her role.
She did a great job. She yeah, she she nailed this
(01:16:58):
role too. I think all the all like the
casting for this this movie was spot on thing.
Everybody that like that was portrayed in this movie, like
they they fucking they, they didit like they this isn't where
like last week's episode where, you know, you thought it was a
casting mistake to for Kate's actor, you know, yeah, like this
(01:17:20):
this movie. No, I think they they they got a
spot on for everybody involved in a massive flub.
Yeah. Pedro Pascal.
Is Ray Richards, Yes. Yes.
It would have been if they put Pedro Pascal.
As the lead actor Frank Junior, Oh my gosh, this movie would
have flopped so. Hard, I think.
Like the jokes would not have landed I think.
Pedro can be a deadpan actor. We've seen that as Reed Richards
(01:17:43):
in the Fantastic Four. But I don't think it would hit
the same as Liam Neeson cuz I think we've seen Pedro Pascal as
a dead fish actor. In the Fantastic Four, yeah,
yes. Yes, but how was?
He in Eddington. How was he in?
Eddington. Stay tuned folks.
Yeah, stay tuned. Stay tuned, but yeah, no, okay.
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The characters, I think we talked about Neil.
Neeson. Frank Junior, A lot.
You know what's interesting, though?
Speaking of, sorry I. Didn't mean to interrupt you,
No, go ahead. But this is related to the
characters. Speaking of Fantastic Four
connections, Paul Walter Hauser is in this movie is Frank's like
closest friend slash confidant at police squad.
(01:18:30):
And he was mole man in the Fantastic Four first steps.
Oh, really? Yeah.
Huh. And I think see, you see Paul
Walter Hauser excel in this movie.
And I think to me it just servesas further proof that there was
like something off about the direction in Fantastic Four.
Like, I'm not here to rehash that.
But I think like Paul Walter Hauser in this movie is is
(01:18:53):
funny. Yeah, he was like the he.
Was like the. Comedic relief with the goatee,
yes. That's what I'm thinking, that
character. Yeah, no, he was funny.
Also the one when Frank is talking to his dad, they pan to
the other people talking to the No no first again opening scene
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Frank Junior is talking to his dad.
You know, I want, I want to be some original but something
stand on my own, blah blah blah,just like you at the same time.
And then like the camera pans out.
And it shows like. Everybody like all like the the
police officers talking to like their dads on the wall.
And then it pans to his character, the the bearded
goatee sidekick and also who's his dad was also like, I forget
(01:19:37):
the actor's name, but he was he was.
Also like. Frank singers on his the same
role yeah yeah yeah which. I thought like, you know, that,
that, that that's. Great.
Like this is a great everybody is everybody's son, yes.
And then that's what makes like a great like.
Like sequel slash reboot slash re sequel because you know, it's
incorporating it's paying tribute to the older movies
(01:20:01):
while also like keeping within like the same.
So what I'm looking for like timeline like it's in the same
universe. It's not like trying to like
continuity continuity yes, thankyou like it's in the same
continuity, and I think like that adds like a like that adds
like a layer to like the whole like the franchise as a whole.
I agree. I I do.
(01:20:21):
Think it was clever, I thought the.
Dad scene was really funny. But yeah, Paul Walter Hauser, I
thought he did a good job. Just really good comedic timing.
I thought he bounced. Off of Liam Neeson.
Well, there's a really funny scene when Liam Neeson is given
a car that's pretty clearly supposed to be a Tesla, and Paul
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Walter Hauser just keeps gettingabused by the poor car.
Like the door hits his face and then as he's trying to recover,
of course it slams on his hand and it's just the poor guy is
just, he's getting it from all fronts but Pamela Anderson.
Unless I'm mistaken, it's been awhile.
Since she's. Been in a feature film and she
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did a really good job here playing like the femme fatale.
But again, this is like an absurdist femme fatale.
So she has to channel a very specific energy where she's not
just there to like seduce Frank and misdirect him from trying to
solve the mystery. And Oh my gosh, there's there's
(01:21:30):
this. Amazing scene.
Not not even just her introduction, I'll.
I'll let you cover. That but Oh my gosh, when they
show up to the restaurant, that Danny Houston's character and
they, you know, Frank confronts her.
He's like, what are you doing? I told you, you know, to not,
you know, look into this case 'cause she has a true crime
podcast. Shout out to all my podcasters
(01:21:53):
out there. But but the point is.
The. Danny Houston's character, the
villain, I keep forgetting what his name is, but it again,
clearly supposed to be Elon Musk.
He walks over and he's like, oh,and who's this?
And Frank panics and he's like, oh, this is Miss Cherry
Roosevelt, fat bozo, easy spaghetti and and looking around
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completely. Straight laced.
Danny. Houston's character is like, oh,
nice to meet you, Miss Roosevelt, Fat bozo, easy eating
spaghetti. Like it's just like everything,
everyone, just. Knows.
The movie they're in and it makes it that much better for
it. Yes, yes and like no.
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And I know like. The thing you're talking about,
and it was funny, just like, yeah, like, just because we,
we've seen this, like this, thisshtick before where like, oh,
you gotta introduce somebody. It's like, and you look around
the room. Oh, I miss Sterling the heiress.
Of, you know, like they try to make it like, suave and sexy.
Yeah, yeah. Like, like, so it's a it's a
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common shtick. And this movie.
Like they take it. They take it to like the absurd
level, like, yeah, he he comes up with that name and he just
looks around. He sees, he sees someone's
eating noodles and just adds, it's like the last name.
And it's just like, all right. And yeah, like you said, like
the the villain deadpan totally takes his hair.
He's like, hey, hey, how you doing miss?
Like this movie, it just excels in comedy very well.
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Like as you said, like this is athis is a comedy movie.
And I think it, it does comedy very well.
Yeah. And the execution just from like
the punchline to the gags to delivery, like, it's, it's all
done very well. Like, I'm not sure if I'm ready
to call this a master class and like, you know, absurdist humor
(01:23:47):
in in, in Hollywood just yet. But you know, after a few more
re watches, I I might like, I, Ithink what I would say about.
This movie is that. It's just so refreshing.
Yes, because it's a genuine comedy in the 20 twenties, which
like, I think comedy as a genre,it doesn't exist anymore.
(01:24:08):
And again, this isn't me saying like comedy was killed by the PC
language. This is me saying like, I think
as a movie genre, the comedy does not really exist.
Like I I honestly think like thebefore this, the last true
comedy I can think of, maybe I'mjust not looking for them was
(01:24:32):
22. Yeah, 22 Jump St.
In 2000. 14 yeah. And, and I, I think, I think
what we see now, it's just so common is that movies have
comedic elements. Like look at something like all
the Marvel movies. Like I think they carved out
this like action comedy, like oeuvre that a lot of movies just
(01:24:54):
run with now. No movie is just a pure
unadulterated comedy. So I think our experience at
least was that the Naked Gun just feels extremely refreshing
in a landscape where we're just not getting true comedy films a
whole lot. So yeah, I don't know if it's an
absurdist masterpiece, but it's it's definitely a breath of
(01:25:17):
fresh air. And I think a very welcome
reprieve from like the kind of ironic comedy and jokes and
clipping that we get from like the MCU or insert favorite
franchise except for Mission Impossible here.
But I think that's why I think that's why you're saying, you
(01:25:39):
know, like maybe after a few rewatches, I will think it's
it's a masterpiece. But, you know, 2 sort of expand
on something I said earlier thatthis movie does occasionally try
to comment on things. You know, I, I talked about this
very specific Black Eyed Peas joke, but like, you know, the
Naked Gun does not pull punches in terms of like it doesn't play
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favorites like this movie. Both sides get hit, you know,
and and again, this is not a political podcast, but I mean,
if you can't see that this is clearly a Tesla, Elon Musk stand
in, right, then I you know, I don't.
I don't know what to tell you. Like, it is the jokes went over
your head. Yeah.
(01:26:22):
And then there's this joke aboutlike red light therapy applied
to the groin because there's a low testosterone problem.
Yeah. And that's very clearly a shot
at RFK. So it's like, well, RFK Junior,
but like, I guess what I'm trying to say is like the Naked
Gun does not play favourites. Like it's a true comedy in the
(01:26:45):
sense that it's it's trying to comment on the ridiculousness of
like all facets of of our current culture, which it does.
Well, Yeah, it. Does because like.
I think part of like the characterization of the villain
character. I, I for the life of me cannot
remember his name. I just keep saying the actor's
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name, Danny Houston. Like he's kind of like this red
pillar, like tech pro, like alpha male, like, you know, like
the, his whole scheme is like, we need to return to our animal
list roots. Like, you know, be primal.
Like we need to. We need to hunt elk like Joe
Rogan, like, you know, like, youknow, it's, it's, it's that kind
(01:27:32):
of stuff. Like, it's clever, but you know,
it's it it. Doesn't.
It doesn't play favourites. It doesn't.
Restrict itself. To like one specific aspect,
right, You know, and anybody canget it.
Yeah. Exactly.
Which is which is how comedy should be.
Yes. Yeah.
(01:27:52):
Like no crowd work exactly like that.
That's what this movie is. And that's what this movie does.
And I think that that's where like, yeah, well, that's where I
think where comedy excels, whereyou, like, you don't pull back
punches and like, you can like, address multiple different
groups and, like, still make those jokes without, like, being
(01:28:14):
afraid of, you know, being cancelled.
Like this movie. This movie is not afraid to be
cancelled. No like this movie.
Like put it all out. There like we're going to
release this movie and you will,you know, people will either be
receptive to it or it's going tobomb and they were willing to
take that. Risk and honestly.
Like I have not given them a lotof credit, especially for recent
(01:28:36):
decisions, but I I mean, Paramount deserves some credit
for that, so yeah. Will they make another movie
like this or can? Do you think like they can make
another sequel to this film? I think they can.
I think as. Long as Liam Neeson is willing
to come back, I think that's theonly scenario.
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Well, where they do it because Ithink they have found like the
perfect spiritual successor. Of course, nobody can replace
Leslie Nielsen, but I think LiamNeeson's reputation in Hollywood
prior to this movie, it just sethim up perfectly to do something
like this. Yes.
You know, I've said multiple times on this podcast that I
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really like when you take an actor who's not considered a
serious performer and then you thrust them into a really heavy
dramatic role and then they justkind of deliver.
And then the next thing you know, they're like winning all
these awards. I also like the inverse.
It's just that we don't see it as often where you take a really
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dramatic, prestigious actor. Yeah.
And exactly. And then?
You force. Them to make a fool of
themselves and then it almost always ends up being being great
yeah you know and I I. Think yeah, I think.
They they would make another oneas long as Liam Neeson is
willing to come back. Because I do think I, I, I think
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this movie is. Really enhanced.
By like the Liam Neeson taken reputation.
Yeah, I I can see. I can see where you where you're
coming from. Yeah, I agree and I think you'd
be really good like if they continue the trend of but how
like the original movies were named like the Naked Gun that I
could gun 2.2 yeah or 2.22 they could gun 3 point. 3/3.
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And it's just like the absurdityof it.
I would really, I would really love to think.
I would, I would really love to see a sequel of this film that
also fall like this, like the similar namesake and just
continues like that. Liam Neeson deadpan delivery.
I agree with that. Like, you know that neonorism?
Sprinkled. In yeah, that top humor.
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You know my dead cop wife. A great a great recurring.
Gag in this movie too is how they are constantly being handed
coffee the second they walk intoa room and they never finish it.
They they'll take a couple sips and then just slam that into the
ground or the nearest trash can and like 1 like in that.
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In that same vein, like one of my favorite.
Gags is like, you know Liam Nissan is driving and he's just
handed coffee to the window while he's still driving like he
he is not stopping at a Starbucks.
He gets his drink, he's just driving and a coffee comes into.
It's a frame that there is a floating van just.
Giving him coffee, he just takesit like you said, just drinks
it. Smash.
It down like come on Chad, like I think we're just gushing so
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much about this film like Chad you and the and the jokes like
it reminded. Me of when they first find the
crime scene hilarious. The car crash yes, electric car
the. First thing that stood out to.
Me, the first time I watched this movie was like car crash
drunk and then Frank's like a little just enough to wake me
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up. And then, you know, he gets
ready to. Inspect the scene.
He puts on the glove, touches his nose, contaminating the
glove, and then he grabs the pill bottle with this unbloved
hand. Like, you know, it's small
stuff, but it's like, I think the hit rate of the jokes is
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like they're hitting like 9 out of 10, like every for like
every, let's say, 3 to 5 minutesof screen time.
Yep. So to me, that's a success.
Yeah. And it's funny too, because the
characterization. Of Frank Junior is He thinks
he's a good cop. He thinks he's like Rust Cole.
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Yeah, yeah, he thinks like he's a badass and he's like a.
Genuinely good cop. And it was like the first like,
like, oh, not the first crab scene or I guess like that, that
same scene, like the car scene, like after they're all done
wrapping it up, he's like, all right, well, just call it a
suicide and call it a day. Yeah.
And then you got like this guy with the claw machine, like
fucking picking up the car and dropping it like in the, like,
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trying to drop in the lake. And it's just like the absurdity
of that. It's.
Like but that game is fucking harsh, yes.
And then like you. Said that the movie likes.
To lean into these neo noir tropes.
And there's that moment where Frank realizes, You mean to tell
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me the 2 cases are connected in every neo noir film ever made?
Yep. Yeah.
Yeah. Like I, we're just gushing about
this. Film, and I mean sorry.
No, I'm just saying this was just.
It's fun. Because this film, we're talking
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about it, and the more we talk about it, the more animated we
get because it's just such a funmovie.
And as we said, it was really refreshing.
This was a refreshing movie to see.
I feel like actually, no, I gotta look at the I gotta like
make a list of, you know, like the heavy hitters of 2025.
But this one like this, this. You'll remember it on December
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30. First, yes, like this this film
like does deserve to be talked about when we.
Talk about movies that came out in 2025.
Like like memorable ones or goodones like this movie deserves to
be when we do our below the line.
Pseudo Oscars ceremony. It might not win awards, but you
know it'll come up I'm making anaward category called best
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comedy. It's.
Winning. OK, there you go.
Win all the awards Novocaine will get.
A nomination? Yeah, I'm gonna.
Be like best neo, best neo noir.Also the Naked Gun best.
Cop movie also the Naked gun best movie where the main
character. Runs over civilians.
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The Naked Gun. Yeah, like man.
This movie's just great, but youhave to watch this film like,
yeah, you do. Like I can't understand.
Like the the. Like you.
Said If we're being animated about all the jokes, to
understand like, our perspective, you need to watch
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it, Yeah. Like, yeah, you need to
understand like why we're so. Animated.
And just like, why? We're just, we're just having a
good time just talking about it.And I bet, like, even if you
hated this film, you would have fun.
There's one joke that you're that's gonna land for you.
And I think you would have a funtime just like engaging in a
conversation about this film. Even if you're in this film,
(01:35:37):
like if you want if if, if you want to critique this film, I
think you'd have a fun time. Just like, you know, arguing
with arguing with people on the Internet about it.
I think so too, yeah. I think they would.
But Speaking of animated, we haven't even talked about one of
the most hilarious scenes in thefilm.
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It's one of which is when PamelaAnderson's character comes over
to Liam Neeson's apartment to clean his stove because they're
going to have Thanksgiving dinner and he loves The Dirty
bird. I mean.
Guys. Look the.
Visual comedy, nothing's being said.
(01:36:20):
It's the the villains. Like right hand man is watching
them with like these infrared binoculars being a peeping Tom.
Yeah, and the stuff. That he's seen.
Maybe I'm just still a fucking 12 year old at times, but I I
was laughing so hard. Yeah, no, I'm juveniles, you
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know, especially once. The dog came.
And then you have the right handman watching and he's like, he's
clearly disgusted. He even says, like, I don't like
this, but he can't stop watching.
He can't look away. Yeah.
He's like, I don't like this. But he still just he.
Won't look away like I guess. Like to add some context.
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Folks like, like that scene or like the entirety of that scene
is just, it's just built upon like, you know, like the joke
that I made in the last episode and the joke that started off
with this episode. Like, it's all based on sexual
and innuendo. Yeah.
Like, he, he, he can't see what they're doing exactly.
He can only see like an infrared, like the shadow of
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what they're doing, and it's getting progressively more and
more like. Degenerative and degenerate.
Yeah, like with Pamela. With Pamela Anderson's
character, like just looks like they're doing like, you know,
things that you know that would only.
Happen in the privacy. Of your own home with your, with
your partner. And like you said, like then
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once like a dog is involved. It's just, it just brings the
absurdity up a notch. I don't like this.
He does it and you're still looking.
And it's just like these gags. And jokes like.
Like they're not only are there,are there like the, the punch
lines and deliveries like this is what I'm talking about.
(01:38:06):
Like they're these like the visual gags, the visual jokes
that, you know, words aren't being spoken or like very little
deadlock. It's just showing, not telling.
Yeah. And then, oh man, there's a.
Great scene too towards the the end of the film where?
Frank's car. Basically is is taken over by
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the villain. It's like in self drive mode and
they're trying to drive him intothe sea.
And there's this, this hilarioussequence where he's like running
through obstacles where he like very like, you know, ingeniously
shoots out the windshield, but then like bees come balloons.
(01:38:50):
And then there's a whole new fucking windshield that's
installed back on. So he's trapped with bees and
balloons so he can't see. But it's just, it's so funny.
And then there's like an added layer because I actually
recognize the street and one of the stores like that's a, that's
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a street in Santa Monica. Like I forget what the name of
the store is, but I was like, I know that place.
And like again, California moviebias.
But like. You know, it was fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's nice. Like seeing films.
And you recognize, like, the, like the set pieces where this
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took place. It is, yeah.
It's not like, oh, this is you. Know.
Filmed in New Zealand, but you we're pretending that's
California or whatever. Like, no, this, these are, you
know, it's a true LA story or it's filmed in Atlanta, but
we're going to pass it off as New York City.
Yeah, AKA every Marvel movie ever.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like this movie. It keeps the you know.
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It's rooted in California. I mean, like the premise is, you
know, LA, these are, you know, the police squad this.
Is the LA. Police squad, but and they're
supposed to be an elite. Yeah, police.
Force, which makes it all the more.
Funny that. Everyone is a complete joke.
Yeah. Like and that that's obviously.
Like the joke? Yeah, and they say like right
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away in the beginning of the movie or somewhere.
And they're like, like when he'smonologuing his neo noir accent
like, like LAPD like, you know, with the elite with, like, you
know, with the elite group called Police Squad.
Yeah, like even like the name isa joke of.
Itself because you know you got your elite.
Squad. And what is it called?
Police squad. Yeah.
It's just like it's such a nothing name.
(01:40:37):
Yeah, which is the callback to like obviously the original.
TV show Because. Prior to the Naked Gun being the
franchise that it was and is, itwas ATV show a failed TV show,
but that's that's what ended up being like that.
That's like the roots for like the franchise itself, kind of
like. Mission Impossible, Yeah, but
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dude, I feel like we're just running through like our
favorite jokes here. Yeah, but what it reminded me
of, like the whole idea of police squad is it reminded me
of one of a great running joke, too, about how the captain's
husband is always asleep and she's taking him to events and
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he's still asleep. It's so funny.
Yeah. Like I'm telling you.
Like, I mean, I mean, we're telling you, Chad.
Like just the layers of jokes, like, and I guess Dylan said
earlier, like you can like you can rewatch this film and catch
like things that you wouldn't even notice.
Like I didn't even notice that. Like the, that her husband's
always asleep. Like, that's just something
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that, yeah, it, it escaped my mind.
Like, I don't even, I didn't even remember that, but that's
because like there are like. So many jokes.
That, like, there's layers to it.
Yeah. So like, this is a movie where I
think it's only gonna get betteron a rewatch.
Yeah. And this movie has some crazy.
Cameos and it's a final act yeahwith you know cuz they try to do
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the big epic hand to hand brawl Yep.
Where they're, you know, clearlyparodying, like, probably, like,
superhero films or like gritty crime dramas.
Yeah. And Frank, he punches Danny
Houston's character one time. He's just tapped out.
He's just tapped. Out after one.
Time my tummy. Yeah.
He's like, is this normal? Like.
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It hurts so much. And then he's like, says
something like, I think I'm gonna barf.
Like, is this normal? Like, and then Frank, have you
ever been in a fight before thatyou wanna go again?
Like no, I'm I'm. Done.
Just arrest me. Oh, I'm not gonna arrest you or
the. Owl.
Payoff. Yeah.
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Owl payoff that that's. Like one of the more absurd
elements in the movie. Like the beginning where he's
like, you know, talking to his dad.
Like send me. A sign like like an owl or
something. End of the film Owl or something
and it carries Frank. Through this like car chase in
in downtown. Yeah, yeah, man, Chad.
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You have to watch this film. I think for most of our audience
members, like if you're a fan ofthe show, I think you're going
to be a fan of this movie. I mean, I think like, you know,
54 of. You, I think like 70% of the of,
of the audience would like this.Yeah, yeah.
And that's that's that's the only passing grade I need.
Yeah, you know, to feel validated in my opinion,
(01:43:36):
because, you know. Dude, totally.
Out of pocket. We finally got a comment on a
podcast episode on YouTube. Oh shit.
And it was someone agreeing with.
Us that the most. Egregious crime in Dead
Reckoning was killing off Elsa Faust.
(01:43:57):
Thank you. Hey, hey, commenter.
Commenter if you if you if. You're listening to this.
Episode and you hold on for likeanother 30 seconds while I pull
that up so I can thank you for the comment.
Already has three likes one. Of them was me, I'll admit it,
but like thank you for actually engaging with the pod on
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YouTube, because obviously the bulk of our plays come from the
audio, the audio platforms rightnow, which makes sense because
we're not you know, we're not filming the show yet, but like
I'll spoiler thank you. Well, I mean, we don't have to
budget for it yet yet, but it was just nice to see, you know,
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people engage with the show on YouTube.
And then we also got a comment on episode 23 on YouTube, which
was crazy. Damn.
So I want to give us people are out showing up for like.
The YouTube episodes all of a. Sudden, yeah.
Shout out and thank you to Steven.
Harsono 9911 I appreciate your comment.
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I gave it a like to. So thanks and Jesse has.
Been asking for this since last.Season so yeah thank you
seriously thank you for agreeingwith my opinion and validating
how I. Felt because, yeah, whenever
they cut off BAE, I feel tougherway.
Yeah, I didn't mean for it to make that a rhyme, but I did.
(01:45:28):
And OK that's a long ass commentI'm I'm about to read it.
Off the pod, but also on episode23 on YouTube.
Thank you Jacob B low 4136I appreciate you know you you're
probably I don't even know if you're agreeing or disagreeing
with me. I I you left a long ass comment.
I'm about to read it later, but it shows thoughtful yes, and I
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appreciate that. So but like we're actually
starting to see comments on the.YouTube versions of the podcast,
which I think came out of nowhere.
Yep. Hey.
Hey, Chad, we appreciate. You yeah, thank you and you
know, we're still a small pod sofor every comment that we get, I
will shout you all personally until we get too big hell yeah,
(01:46:09):
we gotta sell out thank you guys, but until then, hey, I'm
gonna appreciate it until we sell out but until then, until
we. Sell out and start.
Pedaling electrolyte mixes? Yep.
Hey, but at least if I if we sell.
Out at least like, you know, theshit that we're gonna pedal you.
It's gonna be like, you know, actual good shit.
I should look good for you. We peddle you electrolyte mixes.
(01:46:29):
You can. Say, oh, well, at least the two
hosts of this show actually run.Yeah.
So maybe they use it or like they're at least they're trying
to get me a healthy and like, yeah.
Recommend me some like Raycon earbuds like tell me to like
download this app called rage Shout Legends and get this.
That's what I was about to mention.
Like trying to pretend. That this mobile game is good
(01:46:51):
yeah, we know it's not no, and Ihate it that every like you
know. Promoter pretends that it is
like hey join my clan and play like bro I know you're not
playing that game for real like get your money but like yeah.
I, I I. Know you for like whenever like.
Raycon are the best. Air bud, air bud you can ever
listen to or whatever. It's like no they're not.
(01:47:13):
No, no they're not. I sorry I am going to be a
bougie ass mofo and just get my Airpods.
I'm going to be a real bougie ass mofo.
Shout out to Levi and say, what's your audio technica?
Yeah, the best. Earbuds you can.
Get are audio technicas, like everything we're using in the
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studio is Audio Technica, and that's just because of my
extremely biased music background.
Yeah, but they make quality products.
Yeah, so. Shout out to them, but yes, like
the day. So yeah, as I was saying, I'm
gonna shout out personally thankyou.
I'm gonna personally thank you. Thank you.
And because you did ask for thison a specific.
(01:47:56):
Episode. I can't remember which one I
did. It's finally happening, yes.
And I appreciate that and I'm gonna show my appreciation while
I still can at some point. Once he gets over, it's like 100
comments or whatever. I'm not going to be able to
personally thank all of you, so we're just going to single out
the ones that validate our. Opinions.
Yes, because you know at that point will be complete sellouts.
(01:48:21):
Yeah. And isn't that the dream, ladies
and gentlemen like. Isn't that?
The Dream of. Of just selling out, selling
out, selling out, making. Money for the right reasons,
though. Yeah, we.
Promise you like we're. Not Hollywood.
We're even when, even when we sell out, what's to be below the
line? We can promise you that even
when we sell. Out.
(01:48:42):
We're not going to move the studio to West Hollywood.
It's not going to happen. It's definitely not going to
happen. We're not going to start eating
at Vesperteen. No, no, that's not going to
happen. We're still going to go to In
and Out. Yep.
Yeah, Studio's actually going tomove to Malibu.
Yeah, or Santa Monica, you know.Yeah, because we want.
(01:49:04):
We want. The salt air.
Yes, all jokes, but you know, Dylan did.
Dye his hair blonde and, you know, sea salt.
Salt Bay. Yeah, not Salt Bay, but you
know, there's the. There's something there.
Yeah, there's something there. All right.
(01:49:25):
And I'm gonna do it about like. Three more times like I'm.
Gonna run this easily into next year so I can see that, yeah.
Are you gonna try to like bleach?
Even more blonde. Yeah, alright.
Right now this is like a nine. Yeah, so I'm.
I'm gonna go 10 and then use like a 40% developer next time.
I mean, you have dark hair, so it takes a while.
Can I remember when I Yeah. I dyed my hair once.
(01:49:46):
And, you know, for all the people that have dyed their
hair, women especially, like if you got dark hair, it's a
process. Yeah.
Like, you're not gonna get. You're not.
Gonna go blonde. In one?
No, in one session. It's gonna take like two or
three, usually three. Do you like that blonde look?
Dude? The first time that I dyed my
hair back in. 2021, no joke, it took like 40 minutes for my hair
(01:50:08):
to even go from, like, my dark brown to like, a slightly
lighter brown. Yeah.
I had to go stand in the sun to even, like, get it to actually,
you know, like, start to work. Like, it takes a while.
Yeah, yeah. Shout.
Out to the, I don't know what you're called, the hair
salonist, I think Barber. I think the colorists.
(01:50:31):
That color my hair are actually called colorists.
Shout out to all the colorists out there like y'all.
Y'all got a tough? Gig, it's very precise process,
yeah, it's. Not easy and especially when we
try to do it at. Home.
Then yeah, you get bigger chances to fuck it up.
Yeah, but the good thing. For for us, for men is that.
(01:50:51):
If we fuck it up, that. Bad.
You can just shave it off. Yeah.
And it's like usually like a little bit of hair.
You're working. With not like long as hair don't
care. Yeah, not like Tom Cruise in MI
2, no. Never again.
I'm I'm glad he all grew that. Phase.
Me too. I rewatched mission.
Impossible. One through 5 because.
(01:51:12):
They were all on Netflix. And it was like it kept alerting
me last day to watch September 30th.
So I was like, challenge accepted, got through him nice.
And I will. Say.
I'm not going to. Completely defend the decision
but having rewatched Mission Impossible three, there is a
slight hint that the rabbit's foot may have not been a bio
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weapon because Benji specifically does refer to it as
the anti God which he ties into this concept that his professor
at whichever university he went to say I would bring about the
end of the world and it like youa generous interpretation of
that is like artificial intelligence like it's vague
(01:51:58):
enough for like I'm not like I. Said I'm not going.
To completely defend. It but like if you want to, you
know, if you want to be generouslike I think you can be OK.
Yeah, fair enough. I'm.
Still not fan of it but I see. I see where you're coming from,
and no, it's just something I noticed when I rewatched it.
(01:52:19):
Yeah. That's fair enough, I've only
watched these. Movies for the first time when
we potted about it. That was my first like dive into
the franchise, so like for sure I'm gonna be re watching like
these films, skipping 2 obviously, but yeah, for sure
I'm gonna be watching one through 8 skipping 2 again at
some point in the future. Dude, that's another thing.
(01:52:41):
I'm sorry, I know we're. Off track of the Naked Gun but I
have to bring this up. What's up re watching this?
There is a Direct Line from SeanAmbrose where he's talking to
his right hand man and he said some of us have the burden of
sex to deal with and I am gagging for it.
(01:53:03):
So when you called Sean Ambrose a horn dog man, you were right
on the money. That boy's down bad.
Yup, Yup, yes he was. And yeah.
Just just not. A good villain.
Just. He, he he was thinking too much
about the wrong head. I don't even know.
I don't even know how he was able to, you know, accomplish.
(01:53:24):
How did he get anything done? Yeah, exactly.
Like. How did that the first like?
10 minutes of the movie happen like I thought he would have
like, you know, try to sleep with like the, the, the, the
error. What did they call that?
The oh, the steward, the stewardess, the stewardess, You
can't call him that anymore. The flight attendants.
Damn, now see this is something the naked.
(01:53:44):
Gun should point. Make fun of Yes, yes.
I I didn't know, I didn't know. That that was that was the
thing. I I apologize if I offended any
flight attendants in the making of the spot.
I'm going to be honest, the onlyreason I knew that is because
I've heard it on another. Podcast OK, fair enough.
Why I? Apologize to the flight.
Any flight attendants I might have offended?
That was not my intention. You know, here at Below the Line
(01:54:06):
podcast, we're just here to entertain and make you laugh.
Yeah. And talk movies.
And talk movies. And sometimes, you know, I get
you upset. With our opinions, or sometimes
I get you to agree with our opinions, just like I'm trying
to get you to agree and watch the Naked Gun 2025 with Liam
Neeson. Yes, because I don't think you
can fully appreciate. How much we're fawning over the
(01:54:28):
jokes with? Unless you see them for
yourself. Yes, and.
Yeah, like in terms of like whatelse to.
Talk about the movie wouldn't like.
In terms of like themes or like just?
Like like. Things of that nature, like I, I
mean, I'm sure there are some, but like, I personally like when
I watch this movie, like I, I didn't think too hard.
(01:54:49):
Like I, no, this is like one of those movies where like, yeah,
like people talk about like, yeah, you turn your brain off
and you enjoy the movie. Yeah, this is one of those
movies. So like, I'm sure like there was
like some thematic value and like things that this movie was
addressing like we talked about like the meta commentary in this
in this film. So I think there are some like,
you know, themes to discuss. I just I didn't think of any.
(01:55:12):
I just watch different what it was.
I'm sure there are, and I'm surelike if there is.
Like an in depth look at this movie.
I think the most obvious 1 is just police culture.
Yeah. And how we like interface with
that in 2025. But maybe like the cultural
zeitgeist too, yeah. And and.
(01:55:35):
I think too the, the, the question that matters most about
the Naked Gun, it's just, I think is it an effective legacy
sequel? Because we we live in a in a
media landscape where legacy sequels are pumped out left and
right. But most of my Top Gun
Mavericks, Yeah, I was going to say most.
Of the time you end. Up getting something like the
(01:55:59):
newest Bourne film instead of Top Gun Maverick.
So I think like the most pertinent question with a movie
like The Naked Gun 2025 is, is it a good legacy sequel?
Does it respect the franchise? Yes, while adding value to it
instead of just being, hey, remember this thing?
(01:56:20):
Yes, I agree. I think it does.
Yeah, Yeah. I agree.
Yeah, this movie again, like. Tying back to what like Frank
Junior was asking to his dad, like it it stayed like, you
know, try to be in its original film while also standing on its
own. And I think it does do that,
like it pays tribute and homage to what came before, but also
(01:56:40):
like forging its own path with like, you know, like the the
like the meta jokes and like thecommentary and like the police
brutality. Like things like, also like the
the cultural zeitgeist of like how it treats the audience with
like making like, you know, the Black Eyed Peas joke.
And also just just the way that it it's able to like the the
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jokes that it tells, like appealing to like the old, old
audiences and new. And I think that that is
something that we need more of in Hollywood.
Yes, like we need like if you're.
Going to do a legacy film. Hollywood do it like that.
Like like. Pay homage.
Like respect, like the shouldersthat you stand on that was that
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brought like was able to give you that franchise that you're
about to, you know, try to milk like if you're going to do that,
like milk a franchise, but don'tbe afraid to push the belt.
Yeah, like if you're going to. Sell out, you know, like.
Sell out respectfully. Like do it with integrity, just
like it's like we here at bloodline podcast, you know,
(01:57:45):
it's not a spoiler alert like no, like I'm letting I'm letting
y'all know like the. Moment we.
Like the moment we have the chance to sell out, I'm some
we're selling the fuck out. Yeah.
But with integrity it's it's. Gonna be.
Just. It's we're not even gonna think
about it. Yep.
But it's gonna be done with integrity.
Yes. What does that look like in the
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meal? It means we're still gonna be
here. From below the line in the
trenches, yes, but just, you know, with the.
With maybe like a. Bigger studio, bigger might,
more production value, if anything is only going to
elevate the pot even more. If anything it means like we
might have a social. Media manager to run like an
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Instagram page and the TikTok. We might have like a
professional video editor, you know, a complete sell out.
I, you know, maybe I I float my script to like a manager or
something and then they'll tell me to fuck off.
(01:58:49):
So I'll come back to this podcast and just say I'm still
the nobodies of Hollywood. Yeah, but now you can be crying
your. Bugatti.
Yeah, exactly. Basically, yeah, but.
Yeah. Well, I think.
Honestly, I think I've touched on everything that I wanted to
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talk about about the naked guns.This is a laid back, you know,
just kind of. Fun episode, yeah, but even then
a thing like our run times like we ran.
It up because there was there's it's just a fun.
Movie to talk. About and that that's what this
movie is. It's a fun movie.
So if you haven't heard, if you're not, if you haven't
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gotten tired of me saying it, ormaybe if you are, well, I mean,
you're going to hear me say it again.
Watch this film. It's it's it's gonna be a it's
gonna be a fun time. And even if you don't like it,
just the amount of Internet arguments you can have with
people online will make it worthit, you know?
Yeah, because prior to this, I, I thought people enjoyed this
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film. So did I.
And during our pre production. Come to find out.
There was. There was a of marginal or
handful of people who are a significant portion of people of
the audience that did not like this film, which I don't know
why. I think the reasons are kind of
weak. I've cited reasons where like,
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you know, that's a pale imitation to the original.
It was too much. The the the jokes.
Were. Were.
Dated the people, people missed the original actor.
And I don't know, I feel like these these these arguments are
pretty weak in terms of like whypeople didn't like this.
(02:00:34):
They are like come on this the again in the 1st 5 minutes while
Frank Junior is talking to his dad, he's saying like, yeah,
like it's a meta joke that like they want to be an original film
while also like, you know, like I want to be just like you, but
I'll also be, you know, originaland stand on my own.
Like it's a. Fucking.
Joke. Of course, like, like there's
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going to be an imitation to the original like it's supposed to
be. It's supposed to be.
So calling it like a pale imitation, it's kind of like
it's almost missing the point, yeah.
Clearly. And like.
The jokes. Like.
Feeling dated like it this this movie.
Is clearly made for. Like, it's not just made for,
(02:01:18):
like, new audiences while they're trying to, you know,
screw off and, like, forget about like.
Well, I think your dad's a good example.
Yeah, it's made for. People that enjoyed this brand
of this type of comedy, yes, andlike people who are like on the
edge of bar are on. The fence about like thinking
like, will they enjoy or not because of like the originals.
(02:01:38):
Like, I think you're going to enjoy this film because, you
know, like the humor is in the same vein as the originals while
also, you know, forging a path of its own with the meta jokes
and the commentary. And obviously Leslie Nielsen,
great actor legend RIP. But I think Liam Neeson, he does
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bring something to the table. As Dylan was saying, he's known
for these action tough guy, B roll type characters and he
brings like that deadpan serious, over the top, not not
over the top, but like that serious delivery.
He brings it to the table. He brings like that, that, just
(02:02:23):
that. Gravitas that like gives
everything such weight yeah. And then when it's undercut by
the comedy, it it actually is just the perfect marriage of
styles. Yes.
And I think like that's again, like.
How are you gonna cause the paleimitation when it's like he's.
That's not what Leslie Nielsen was doing.
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Yeah. And.
I'm not saying Liam Neeson is better, but it's clearly
different. Yeah, and again, forging a path.
Of its own, I don't know, I feellike the like the critiques
about that I mean, we didn't like look into it our critiques
by the way, this this is something that our.
Producer informed us of yeah, this is what we like.
(02:03:07):
Like there's some quick research.
While we were getting ready for the show.
But I I I these these arguments fell very weak.
Like I agree this this movie if you're a fan of the.
Original. Yeah, it's a good movie and.
If you're a fan of the original movies, this is gonna be in line
with that. And again, this is like a legacy
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reboot SQL. It's obviously gonna be updated
for the modern times. Like if they, if they, if they
did a legacy sequel to like White Chicks, it's not going to
be as raunchy. It's going to hopefully, I mean
I. I would wish that it wouldn't,
but it probably. I would hope it wouldn't, but it
probably would because like. It wouldn't be as raunchy or
like the. Jokes would try to be like would
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try to evolve to be like, you know, more modern for like
today's audiences. And I think this movie did a
blend of both They appealed to anew and old fans alike.
Yes, I agree so. Chat and it struck that balance
perfectly. It did.
So chat, watch this film, I don't.
Say that about a lot of films onthis pod.
I think most of the time I just come in here and we just chat.
(02:04:12):
We just talk about it. We just talk about it.
But this is. Like a movie where?
I think I I want to say like, yeah, chat, watch this film also
watch sinners and F1 and MissionImpossible and bring your back
to the left or another. And, well, we're.
Going to get there soon, yeah? There's a load there.
I think 2025. I'm I'm not going to say that
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there's like it's a strong year for cinema.
I'm going to wait till December to make that judgement.
But we got to see the Oscar bait.
Yep, but I. Think so far like I've.
There have been some good moviesthis year and this is one of
them. I agree, I enjoyed.
This movie I, I realize you're right.
We don't really come on here andtell people, Hey, this is worth
(02:04:55):
your time. I think we mostly just try to
have in depth, hopefully nuanceddiscussions about things and try
to stay away from saying, Oh, this is the worst thing that
ever existed or this is, you know, the, the gift of, of God.
(02:05:16):
I think, you know, we try to maintain a level of of balance
and and. Yeah, just.
A thoughtfulness and provide I think realistic media criticism
which is that I once heard this old adage from a film critic
(02:05:37):
that I spoke to on Twitter back when Twitter was good and he
said the reality is 70% of movies you.
Watch. Are just OK, 20% are bad. 10.
Percent are truly great, Yeah. And I think that's really true,
I think. That's.
(02:05:58):
That's fair. Yeah, there's.
A lot of movies I've watched this year, both in theaters and
just, like, on my own time. And yeah, like a lot of movies,
I'm like, like, like, I'm well, but I'm only gonna.
Speak for me, but. I'm the kind of person that if I
don't take notes on something, II tend to forget.
Or if it didn't make that much of an impression on me, I tend
to forget. And movies are like that with
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me. Like if it's not a great film or
a good movie, I'm kind of gonna forget, like, what it was about
or like, what was like the general premise.
I agree. The jokes are gonna like, I'm
gonna forget, like what it was like.
I already kind of forgot, like, what was like the kind of what
was the plot of Captain America,like the new one this year.
I know, I know. It has sequel to the Incredible
(02:06:40):
Hulks. Yeah.
It's hard to tell. I know there's a red Hulk in it
and that's. About all I remember.
Yeah, like I, I remember Thunderbolts.
Because I enjoyed. That film, Fantastic Four, I
kind of remembered just because it was recent.
I tried to rewatch Fantastic Four the other day.
I. Got bored 15 minutes in and shut
it off. Damn.
(02:07:01):
And that's not me saying. Like this is the.
Definitive opinion. That's just me saying, like, I
did try to revisit it, but after15 minutes, I was just like, I
maybe I just wasn't in the, like, the superhero mood.
Yeah. But yeah, like after 15 minutes
I was like, OK, I'm like, I'm gonna try to rewatch it.
Like maybe after I, you know? Start a family and have like
(02:07:26):
have like a. Have like a wife and like, you
know. Mother of my first kids, yeah,
that maybe it'll hit me different.
Yeah, I like, I don't. Think I'm gonna rewatch?
Fantastic. 4 anytime soon? Like I know it's on VOD already
but I I'd rather rewatch Thunderbolts than I just
realized. I kind of walked in here looking
like. Johnny fucking Storm.
(02:07:49):
Damn. Yeah, OK.
I see it now. Yeah, so do I, because you're
right, I didn't do like the. Thor like messy thing.
It kind of has more of the Johnny.
Oh no. Yep, signs of depression, just
like Thor. But without the Thor.
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Oh yeah, chat. Like, yeah, we don't really,
like, tell you to go watch. Films, yeah, we don't have like
a rating system a lot of. People like to do like 01 to 10
or like 5 stars. I only do that on letterbox.
Yeah, like I'm. I'm not.
One for numerical ratings. I mean, I do, I do use them like
if it's a, if it's a platform, platform for it.
(02:08:31):
I think the problem with. Numerical ratings like on
YouTube especially is you're kind of cheapening the the art
form like because making a movieis incredibly hard and even if
I'm not a fan of, you know, a movie always my go to example
BVS hated it. But like I can acknowledge that
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that that's the kind of movie that requires a lot of work.
Yeah, like, you know, down not just from Zach or the OR the
cast, but like those VXVFX artists, the editors, you know,
the costuming, the makeup, you know, every, every single
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department has to show up and put their all into that movie.
And I feel like for me to come out and just say like this movie
was a 2, that's a disservice to someone who worked their ass off
for this movie. But you know, they're not seen
much for it because all they didwas like design the suits Bruce
(02:09:38):
Wayne wore Lex Luthers party, right?
You know, like I just feel like that's really unfair.
So that's why I don't like doingnumber.
Yeah, no, that's fair. And also, I think just.
Like it's, it's really hard because when you say like, like
for example, like if I, if I were to say like, you know what,
like as much as I liked F1, likeI do think there are some flaws
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with it. It's like, you know, I'm gonna
give it a nine and then then, you know, we're talking about
the Naked Gun. And while I really enjoyed it, I
still too soon for me to call itlike perfect.
So I'm also gonna give it a nine.
It's like, how you gonna What's the differential between those
two nines? Yeah, because they're completely
different movies. Exactly.
So it's like, it's really hard to like compare and contrast.
Like that, when you start assigning American values, Jesse
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is on a much faster. Critical analysis arc than I was
when I started YouTube all thoseyears ago.
I mean like I've I've. Also consumed like a lot of
review. Media and shit, but also like
I'm a fan of like the like the different kind of like rating
scale where it's like, all right, I recommend you either
like buy it, stream it, don't watch it.
(02:10:45):
And that's basically it. Like like it like if I really
like a film, like, yeah, you should buy you should own this,
this art like like then there are some movies I feel strongly
about that. Like you should own it.
Like, this is something where like you want to like, you know,
support and like own it in some in some form or fashion.
Yeah, that's how I feel about like Top Gun Maverick because,
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you know, streaming. They can always take it away
like the office. From Netflix and all this other
shit, but they can't take away they can't take away physical
media from you and but like, andthen but then there were.
Movies were like, no, it's a good.
Movie like I wouldn't recommend buying it, but streaming it
streaming for sure it's it's worth the watch and after that
it's like, all right now it's not worth recommending or it's
(02:11:28):
not worth watching. I feel like that's better like
it's it's more ambiguous, but I think it's also like it it it
leads more to like the like it leaves room more for discussion
and like giving people like the opportunity to like watch it
without that bias, because if I say like, Oh yeah, no, F1F1's a
fucking 9 Go watch it. People are now expecting like,
(02:11:50):
you know, like at least a level like a nine out of 10 movie.
And if it doesn't deliver that, and that's going to like, you
know, ruin the expectations for them.
And this is a fucking great conversation to get into, like
to get it really is more in depth and I'm glad we're
introducing it now. But you know, we're over our
runtime chat. Really.
This is this is something that like I it would be, it would be
(02:12:12):
a great conversation just talking about like just the
review landscaping, you know hownumerical value, you know,
numerical scales, like they kindof ruin like as you said, it's
very cheap. Yeah, it cheapens the movie.
It reduces it. It reduces.
Art to just like a base, like numerical value and like art is
very subjective and I think you can't just reduce it down to
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just numbers and try to quantifyit that way.
I agree and rant completely. Yes, one. 100%.
But anyways, Chad, if you want to see me if you want to see.
Me weaponize Dylan's opinions and get him to like, you know,
really like crash out. Stay tuned for next week's
episode because if you thought we were gushing, you thought you
(02:12:56):
thought it was fun to see, or maybe you didn't think it was
fun to see Dylan gush over a film, I'm sure you're going to
enjoy him. Tear 1 to shreds.
Even worse than how Scarlet Witch Scarlet Witch tore up the
smartest man in the room. Read Richard our boy Jim.
Yup, who was not paid by Bedro. Pascal.
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But that's the joke. That's the hashtag.
Bring back Jim from the office. Yup.
But anyways, chat. It was nice.
To sit down here. Chatting with you and like, you
know, yeah, he was talking aboutfilm again.
Leave the comments. On YouTube or Spotify season 2.
Yes, welcome back to Season 2. Leave a comment.
(02:13:39):
Down below in the video description, or on Spotify or on
any other podcast streaming platform that has a comment
section available. Because we aren't pussies.
We don't. We don't disable the comment
section. If you disagree or you want to
talk shit, go ahead. We don't hold them for review
either like I let. You know you're free to say what
you want. Yep.
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And remember what Jesse said? If you comment on YouTube,
you're getting a personal shout out on these episodes.
Yep. So thank, thank you again to our
2 YouTube. Comments like, I know it's it's
small, like like for us to like just go over that.
But again, like we are a small channel.
We are a small like, you know, Media Group.
But it's still nice to like, youknow, get some, you know,
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validation and support. It is.
So it is, yeah. Thank you, Chad.
And thank you to those. Two YouTube comments that I name
dropped. I hope you watched this episode
because hey then you get to hearthat shout out exactly.
Hopefully they do. And yeah, the only thing I will
say is I think Jesse has alreadyweaponized my opinions against
me because he said so. You're no longer a Swifty, and I
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think it's more complicated thanthat.
I do apologize for my extended Taylor Swift ran.
I don't. It's you think it was a great
opening? No, I thought.
I thought it was a great naturalbanter.
It really was. Actually, I thought it was a
great way to. Like it was a genuine
conversation. Exactly like what's going on?
If anything, we segue too hard into the Naked good episode.
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But you know, we'll get better by season 3, folks, because
that's what we do here at my podcast Chase just.
Improvement. Yup.
Yes, it's about. The process?
Yup, just like running a marathon.
Exactly. About the process.
Not the outcome, everybody, so thank you for listening.
I think Jesse has said the most important thing, which is that,
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you know, if you want to supportus, follow us on Spotify or
subscribe to the YouTube channelyoutube.com. back slash at
Nightfall Films. That video that I have been
teasing for a couple episodes now is basically done.
So you can probably expect that next Friday.
So that'll be coming out and then so will this episode on.
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Monday. So you have that to look forward
to. Otherwise, I just want to thank
Levi for composing the intro music.
Thank you to Jesse for the show art, which has gotten some
incredible praise. And thank you to our producer,
Maya. Yeah, that's going to do it for
today. Thank you for listening,
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everybody. Peace plants.
Namaste. These people work hard.
Man. Not even just at the top line,
like all the people. Below the line.
Work hard.