Fireside Chat: Nostalgia Bait vs. Legacy

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Be inspired to do things differently.
Hey everyone, welcome back to the show.
This is Below the Line podcast brought to you by the nobodies
of Hollywood. I'm Dylan.
And I'm Jesse and today, guys, we have a very special episode
for you today, because today we're on episode 20.
Fucking 3, 23 episodes. Dylan Yeah, that's fucking

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crazy. That's really surprising, to be
honest with you. I remember when I hopped in on
what, Episode 5, Episode 5? Then, like now, we've done
eighteen of these. Yes, Yep.
I mean, we're still trying to figure out our space to record
in back then your first episode.Yep.
And we haven't missed a week since, yeah.
And honestly, like guys, I mightbe hyping ourselves up too much,

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but really like, I'm just kind of proud that we've made it like
so far this far and we're still going so.
No, I'm proud too because it's it's hard work.
I mean, I watched a TikTok the other night.
It was an interview with Tom Brady, and he was talking about
consistency. And he said that matters no

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matter what field you're in, No,no matter what your job is.
And as he was kind of listing off a bunch of different sort of
occupations, Tom Brady said it doesn't matter if you're a
podcaster, you need to put in the hours to become successful.
And I was like, you know what, Tom?
You're right. Yep.

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Yeah. So I am proud too.
Yeah. And I think that that's
something to like highlight right now at the beginning of
the episode, because that's the only time where I acknowledge
like, hey, what episode are we on?
23. 23 fucking awesome. Yeah.
So today, ladies and gentlemen, I am going to admit that I did

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not prepare much for this episode.
Like, yeah, there is some moviesthat we could have talked about,
but I feel like there wasn't a lot to say about them.
Or at least like there are movies that I haven't watched
yet, so I can't talk about them yet.
Like, sorry, Chad, I haven't watched F1 yet.
I I really want to talk about itwith Dylan.

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But yeah, they didn't show it here.
And by the time they did show ithere, I ended up watching
something else. And I wanted like the big movie
theater experience. So the point being completely my
fault. I should have, I should have
just like, you know, took one for the team and just like drove
my ass to a city and watched F1 and drove my ass back home.
But I didn't do that. Well, I think too.

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To be fair, there have been somemovies even this month that I
want to see. Maybe I still will down the
line. I mentioned The Naked Gun before
we started recording and then Freakier 2, Freakier Friday.
Is that what it's called or is it?
Or is it just Freaky Friday Part2?
It might be. Freakier Friday.
But you know what? I I I don't know the.

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Point is, there's a sequel, yes 2003 Freaky Friday that I want
to watch. With the same mattress, yes.
Lindsay Lohan and was the one Jamie Lee Curtis, Yes.
Maybe I'll get around to watching them.
But you know, if you listen to the Jurassic World episode, you
know that I recently came back from Disneyland, which means
that I have absolutely no money.What?

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Fair enough. Yeah.
You know what? Like, we'll come back like, next
week hard with like, you know, with our movie analysis.
But like, honestly, this, this week's episode, this is gonna be
a chill episode. We're all gonna hang out again.
Yeah, So if you're just right there, you know, washing dishes,

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just hey, this is the perfect episode.
Exactly. Or if you're doing laundry,
folding clothes, hey, yes, hey, put, put those headphones on.
Or hey, put like put the Bluetooth on.
And just if you're play the episode.
Exactly if you're. Run.
If you're rearranging your closet trying to figure out
where to hang your 7999 Disneyland bomber jacket, put on

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the episode exactly. And if you're going for a run
and you really need like, that motivation to get you there, I
advise you to, like, skip, take the last 30 minutes of the
episode. I've promised like that energy
that that's gonna be delivered. It's gonna get you hyped up to
run. Even better.
Yes. And faster, Yes, and stronger.
That is the below the line promise straight from the

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trenches. Yup.
Yeah. You know what we call that chat,
We call that foreshadowing. Yes, that is.
Foreshadowing in the business? Yes.
Yes. But anyways, Dylan, I saw you
recently uploaded a transformer video called it The Final Cut.
Yes. So what?
What is the final cut? Well, I think I mentioned a
couple episodes back that I wanted to release another

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YouTube videos, both as a followup, but also as a thank you to
all of the new subscribers that we got from the first
Transformers video, which kind of seems like it's getting a
second wind. But it had it, I think it had
like 24 views today alone, whichif you guys haven't checked it

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out yet, might as well go watch it.
But the first cut of the follow up video, which I had called
Return of the King discussing Michael Bay's return to
Transformers, unfortunately, it got a copyright claim for not
for any of the footage for the music.

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And music's a little tougher because instead of jumping
straight to an appeal to sort oflike eliminate the visibility
issue with the music copyright claims, they tend to just hold
it for the full 30 days and thenlet it expire.
So the visibility of the video was just tanked.

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Yeah. So kind of like it really like
diminishes like the returns thatyou get on the views.
Yeah. Bro yeah, I can imagine like it
must be like tough being a YouTube, a solo YouTube creator.
Yes. So I imagine like once you get
big and you can like afford to hire people who do all this shit
for you to make sure like none of this shit gets none of your

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videos get on flagged for whatever reason, it becomes
easier. But I'm sure it definitely seems
like a like an annoying an annoying thing to deal with
right now. Yeah, this has happened to me a
lot, unfortunately. But so I decided, let me try to
trim down the amount of music I use, right?
And then I threw in a couple more edits to make the video

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feel like more of a story, like I'm trying to tell the story of
Michael Bay coming back to Transformers.
So I tried to present it in moreof like a narrative format,
right? And I was like, instead of just
calling it something like a re upload, even though it is
technically a re upload, I'm gonna just call it the final cut

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because I technically changed ita little bit.
So I uploaded that. Yeah, I uploaded that today.
I do think it's a better versionof the video.
But yes, I uploaded the final cuts of Return of the King
discussing Michael Bay's return to Transformers today.

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So if you were so inclined, if you enjoyed the first
Transformers video, please go give that a watch at youtube.com
forward slash at Nightfall Films.
And if you're not a subscriber, consider subscribing because I
have another what I think is a pretty interesting idea for a
video in the works that I just told Jesse.

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About You did chat. You did, Yeah.
It's gonna blow your fucking mind.
I hope so. Yeah, yeah, like this, this can
go out for all you know what I'mnot I'm not even going to say
who because like if I say like who, who are the fans?
They. Might be able to put it
together, yeah. Exactly.
But it is a topic we have talkedabout specifically me, and I

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have defended this topic. Yes, that's all I'm going to
say. And you know, it's probably not
enough to clue you in, but it's enough to entertain myself and
like letting you guys try to figure it out.
Yeah. And all I'm going to say is I
think Jesse may have been right in his defense of said thing.
Bro, now you're just giving it away.

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You might as well tell him this.Episode 15.
Yeah, episode 15, where Jesse defended Michael Bay.
Yeah. Bro, that's crazy though that
you made that Transformers videoand like it's still something
that like we can go back to and like talk about because it's

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still something that's kind of like relevant and that like
it's, it's an Evergreen topic. Like the whole like I think
Michael Bay and Transformers like they go hand in hand when
we're talking about like the movies.
Because like, you know, you can do Transformers like as a
cartoon or like toys and shit like that.
But when it comes to like the live action movies, I think
Michael Bay has like a strong association with that.

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Yeah, and that's one of the arguments that I make in the
video is that even if you like movies like Bumblebee, which I
do, I think that's actually a really cute and heartfelt movie.
Or or Transformers 1, which is agreat animated movie and an
origin story for Optimus. But I think when it comes to the
live action version of Transformers, they are so

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heavily married to Michael Bay and his style that any attempt
to try and differentiate yourself from them, it's just
been completely unsuccessful. Right.
And also too, I, I think it's Evergreen because now Michael
Bay is confirmed to be in discussions with Paramount to

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direct a new Transformers movie,which the initial reporting from
a month ago or whatever it was, was that it was a rumor.
It was considered well sourced, but they obviously couldn't name
the source. Now it's confirmed.
So it's it's in motion and it iskind of looking like

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unfortunately, guys, I'm not gonna say it means Sam and
Michaela are coming back, but itdoes.
Based on what I've read, it looks like Age of Extinction and
The Last Night are basically gonna be considered offshoots.
Yeah, they're gonna say this. Just forget about these movies.

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Which it it pumps the hopium meter up a little bit, right?
Yeah, like. Yeah, if they get rid of like
the two or if they consider like2 of the worst films in the
franchise to be non Canon events, then yeah, I think like
that's going to improve the storytelling from like, you
know, the Transformers franchisemain continuity.

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And depending on how Michael Baydirects this next movie, whether
it's whether it's supposed to besome sort of finale or the start
of a new trilogy, we'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, we will. It is interesting like how how
much do you figure or how long do you figure?
Like the how long do you think it takes like to go from like
this situation to movie like if they're on the talking stages,

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what's next? Come on, break it down, Mr.
Nobody from Hollywood. Yeah, based on my very limited
contacts. Extensive YouTube, Google
research. I actually do know a few people
from my film Twitter days. Oh shit, yeah, OK.
I've had the privilege of havinga discussion about Disney with

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Leonard Maltin. He has nothing to do with his
Transformers. I'm just saying like I have been
fortunate enough to talk to actual like, Hollywood figures.
So based on, yeah, my limited knowledge is that they would
sort of obviously negotiate thisdeal.

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Michael Bay as a director, probably as a producer as well,
'cause he did produce Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast and even
Transformers 1, he just wasn't heavily involved.
So they'll negotiate Bay's terms, his salary, they'll work
out things like box office, like, oh, if this movie makes

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$800 million, you're going to get a bonus of X amount of
dollars, right? And then once that happens,
Michael Bay is a very efficient director.
He shot ambulance in 70 days. That's an extremely.
Quick, that's a short term. Yeah, that's our extremely quick

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production cycle for for most, considering most Hollywood
productions, that's extremely fast, right?
And you know, obviously I think it came out incredibly well,
right? So Michael Bay is an extremely
efficient filmmaker. So I would say, let's assume
this deal gets done. Is the script already done or

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does it have to no the script? Is not done.
Is it but Michael Bay? Has a screenwriter that he wants
to write the movie, Yeah. OK.
So let's assume they finalize the deal.
BAE is the director, the screenwriters who BAE wants.
Steven Spielberg will probably come on to do the the executive

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producer stuff because he he loves Michael BAE.
So let's assume this gets done fall of this year.
I would say expect the movie Summer 2027.
Yeah, OK. You know what?
I'm not even going to be mad at that.
Yeah. Just in time for the Batman

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before the Batman before the. Batman Yeah, yeah, OK.
Hold on. Interesting.
Yeah, it always like, interestedme like how you say like the
production, like the, like most movies they're made or they're
filmed within like a few months a time and then most of the time
is spent on post production, like actually editing and

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chopping it up and putting it together because yeah.
And I always found that interesting 'cause I always
thought like, you know, the filming took the longest.
Like I thought it would take like a year to film a movie.
But that can't be the case because otherwise how is Petro
Pascal in like 40 movies in one year, you know, yeah, obviously
there has to be like a quick turn around or like movies don't

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take that long to film. It's mostly at the post
production that takes too long this time, which is interesting.
Yes. And then obviously that becomes
complicated if there's reshoots.Reshoots and shit like that,
like which the MCU is very familiar with, or like, you
know, shooting movies when they're the script is not even
done yet. Yikes, Yikes.
Yeah. So what's interesting too about

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the way that movies go through production is that you mentioned
Pedro Pascal is movies will havewhat's called a call sheet.
So depending on when they shoot these things again, let's live
in my fantasyland. Shia LaBeouf and Megan Fox are
back. Even Josh Dumal is back as

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Lennox, the army guy. OK, let's bring back Tyrese too.
Let's bring all of them back. Let's bring back John Turturro
as Agent Simmons. Oh damn, OK just bring back to
everyone for the first movie. Yes, let's just forget about
four and five. But so let's say this is what
happens. Let's say they shoot for six

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months, but not everybody needs to be there at the same time.
Because. Let's say like John Turturro is
not in this part of the movie. You don't need to be here.
So he could be working on something else.
So that's that's part of the trouble too, is you have to work
with the schedule of the actors because not everybody does need

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to be on set on a given day. So there might be months or
weeks at a time where you're only working with your main
cast, you're you're 2 protagonists here.
And then there might be other times where you need the
supporting characters in becausethere's a sub you're shooting
the subplot or something, right?So yeah, Michael Bay is a pretty

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economical filmmaker though. I mean, it is, like I said, it's
pretty infamous that Transformers Revenge of the
Fallen was they started shootingit without a completed
screenplay. They had a 33 page outline
because of the 2007, 2008 WGA Riders strike.

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So BAE had to, he had to start production with a 33 page
outline. And I think, yeah, a lot of
people have problems with that movie, but I think the fact that
you can even understand it, the fact that the story is
comprehensible, that's a testament to his ability to make

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this work. Yeah.
So I imagine with a plan, with ascript, it'll be it'll get done.
Because it seems like to me verymuch what I'm reading, what I'm
hearing is that this is not something BAE is doing for
money. It's because he actually has all

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of a sudden like he wants. I don't know if he wants to
finish the Transformers story, like you said, or if he has a
whole new idea, but it the pointis there's like thought behind
it. It's not, Oh well, I'm, I'm not
making enough money to buy my Ferraris, right?

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Or whatever. OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would rather have like and
involved or dedicated director rather than like someone who's
just there to come cash the check.
Yeah, again, we're. IE we're.
Talking about Marvel. Oh, oh, Todd Phillips.
Yeah, you're talking about Marvel too.
Yeah, IE James Gunn, and he was a Marvel jokes yeah.

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But if you have seen the the like the newest season of Rick
and Morty, there was a James Gunn cameo and I thought it was
very poignant and hilarious. Given our job are on here.
Really. Yeah.
Guest, guest. I don't know if you watch Rick
and Morty, if that's or that's like your type of comedy or
whatever. I've watched it but I don't keep

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up with it like religiously the way some people do.
OK, well, there's, there's a newseason this year and same like
I, I like it, but I, I don't like keep up with it.
Like, yeah, like weekly, like the same way I do with South
Park. Like the show I actually love.
Yeah. But like, no.
So I wait until Rick and Morty was done and then I I binged it
last weekend and there was an episode dedicated to you're

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gonna I think you would love it.OK, It was.
It was featuring James Gunn and your boy Zachary Snyder.
No way. Voiced by James Gunn and your
boy Zachary Snyder? No way.
Yeah. So they had.
Both of them yes, Oh my God, andthat's amazing they.

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Obviously referenced the Superman movie because they came
out all the time, but bro, it was so funny because you are the
guy who's saying, who's always saying like Zack Snyder is the
only director who knows how to like make you feel the weight of
a punch and blah, blah blah blahblah blah blah blah.
No. No.

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Way no way he gives James Gunn unsolicited advice.
I'm like, you know, like when you want someone to punch
something really strong you and like he gives them this advice
and bro, it's so fucking like I,I saw this episode and I just
thought about you the entire time.
Like first of all, 'cause like just the Zack Snyder like low

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cameo and the whole like just James Gunn being there.
Oh my gosh, that sounds funny. I need to watch it.
Yeah, like because OK, you said this and my first thought was
Zach would say make sure you yougot to make him hit the Jesus
post. Yeah, yeah.
Like, like Zach and Zach and James Gunn, like they interact

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like it was very brief, but justlike the fact that they had both
like characters making that cameo, like I just thought it
was hilarious. That is pretty funny.
And like, yeah, it just, it justhad me thinking like, damn.
Like James Gunn, like he, he, hehe knows how to take a joke
well, because they were kind of making fun of him, but like, in
a jokey way. And like, he, he he took it well
in stride. Yeah.

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Yeah. So like Chad, that's funny.
If you haven't seen season A of Rick and Morty, you know what it
was. It was I, I enjoyed the season.
Like I, I've, as someone who hasbeen keeping up with Rick and
Morty for a couple years now, season 7, there was kind of like
there, there was not kind of there was a different quality.

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Season 8. I, I think I enjoyed like every
episode. Some I enjoyed more than others,
but like, I genuinely had a goodtime with the season, which is
like surprising because I I thought like Rick and Morty was
kind of like they're starting tolike, you know, go on this
downtrend, but. It was starting to hit their
Simpsons. Yup, Yup.
And I think cuz like, I think around like season 5, they got

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like a deal for like another five seasons or whatever.
So they're guaranteed to like keep on airing up until season
10. But it was like around Season 5
where it was kind of like the writing is getting like not as
good. As clever, yeah.
Because in the beginning it was only like 2 or 3 writers, but
then as the show got bigger and more popular, too many cooks in
the kitchen. Now there's too many writers

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like it happens to do anything. Like right now we're just two
dudes potting. But like once we get to, you
know, episode 149, oh man, we'regoing to have like a video guy,
a camera guy, a guy that does like the mic check, a guy that
does the edit the audio. Yes, please, yes.
Like at that point of my only job will be just to like sit

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here and record. Just show up and talk.
Kind of what I'm doing right now, yeah.
Like you're the one that has to like, do all the editing and
shit, like. But once we get, you know, like
we hire the extra help, yeah, bro, yeah, it's way easier.
It's going to be much different.And I'm hoping, but I do want to
keep like the quality of the same.
So we'll probably, like, we probably won't hire a maid or

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someone to clean up the studio, you know, No, probably just get
Victor to do it. Yeah.
You know, we're, we're trying tomaintain the the semblance of,
of intimacy. Yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Could we all know? Like he wouldn't clean this
place up. No, he definitely wouldn't.

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No, no. But yeah, I I can't wait.
Unless we. Told him there's a video game
here. Oh shit he should we text him?
If we texted him like hey yo we got your PS-5 holding a ransom
show up now. He'd be here in a heartbeat.
Yeah, probably would. But yeah, Chad, if you haven't
seen Rick and Morty, I know likewe're a We're a Hollywood

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Belowline podcast, but I'm just going to plug in Rick and Morty
real quick, just because I did enjoy the last season and only
because it had James Gunn and Zack Snyder.
And I know how big a fan Dylan is of his boy Zachary Snyder.
I think that's pretty remarkablethat they were able to get both

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of them on there though. But that's that's hilarious
because you kind of have to go for the obvious joke, which is
Superman. And I mean, I think if they.
How James Gunn is a creative genius.
Yeah, don't. I'm trying not to like, ruin
this for myself 'cause I really want to see what the skit is,

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but I think it my instinct wouldbe to try and rib James Gunn
because obviously Zach is a, he's a much more like serious
and serious air quotes, serious and sort of dark filmmaker.
I think the the easy thing to dowould have been to have Zach

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sort of like rib James Gunn for making Superman the way he's
supposed to be, right? Because to Zach, Superman needs
to be this mopey, Christ like figure who is carrying the
burden of the world, right? Yeah.
So that would have been my instinct.

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But I'm I'm really curious aboutthis now.
Yeah, like you don't have to watch the whole season.
You can just skip around to you.I think it's on HBO Max.
You can just skip around till you find the episode.
I don't know if it's episode 7 or 8, it's around in the middle
or past the middle, but I was like, yeah, I saw that episode
and I was like Dylan, Dylan. That's funny.

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And then and then my second thought was, you know what?
This is good material for Below the Line, but probably just wait
until we make like a dedicated Rick and Morty episode.
Yeah. Just like, you know, the
dedicated Bojack Horseman episode coming soon to a Below
the Line podcast near you just once.
I won't say when that soon is, but it is on the calendar.

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It is because it's on chat dog kit.
Yes, we have a dog kit, we have a calendar.
There is some planning that goesinto the show.
Believe it or not, yes. Except for today.
Except for today. Yeah, we're just kind of winging
it. Yeah, this is off the cuff.
Yeah, well, it's not that. It's not that we're winging it.
It's more that like way we have you know what chat like you know
what this episode really is? It's a deep dive of it's a

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behind the scenes episode. That's what it is.
We're going to show you a littlebit, you know, peel back the
curtain. You know, we're going to show
you Oz for a little bit, not toomuch Oz so it doesn't like ruin
the magic, but you know, a little bit of.
Oz yes, just a little bit, because.
I'm not going to sit here and say like, you know, oh, podding

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is so hard and like, you know, it's a tough job and this and
that. I'm not going to say that
because I know there are people who know who do real back
breaking work for a living. But I will say like, you know,
doing a podcast is not easy. I'm not going to say that it's
hard, but I'm not going to say that it's also easy because
anybody can do a pod. But why aren't they doing it?

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In fact, I had the idea to do a pod like 3 years ago, but I
couldn't get my friends to be done to do it and I didn't want
to do a pod for myself. So when Dylan presented me with
the opportunity to like, hey, like, just be a guest, just do a
guest appearance on his pod, I was like, fuck yeah, I'll do it.
Yeah, no hesitation from him whatsoever.

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Like I. Asked.
And then when he was, when he asked like if I wanted to be
like a regular, I was like, fuckyeah.
Like I didn't want to just be a guest.
I wanted to just show up every week and just talk film, you
know, just talk shop and just talk about whatever.
But at the same time, it's also like not easy to always schedule
these. It's easy for us right now

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because it's only two. But it was kind of hard to like
schedule things with like cast and yes, like he also worked.
So it's kind of hard to like schedule like a time after work
or like the weekend when it's like on the weekend, he'd rather
do other things than come pod. Which is.

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Yeah, So all is to say, Chad, isthat like anybody can start a
podcast, but you don't see a lotof people doing it because while
it's not hard, it's also not easy there.
There is like some planning and like effort that that goes into
this like, and for sure like it's easy for me to say that

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because I'm just, I'm just the guy that shows up on the mic.
I really, I'm giving all the props to Dylan because Dylan's
the one who like sets up the studio, sets up the mics, gets
his audio like, you know, audio set up right, does the mixing
and mastering, does YouTube videos too on the side like, and

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did you know he also runs a TikTok channel called the
Scientist? Like bro, he does it all.
Yeah, it's not as easy as peoplethink because I think I
understand what you're saying. And I definitely do want to just
throw the disclaimer out there that, yes, I'm not going to
pretend that I'm out there doingconstruction in 100° weather or

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something or manual labor that is actually putting some kind of
a strain on me. But it's also not easy because I
think a lot of people, like you said, anybody could start a
podcast. And I would venture to say that
well over 90% of people, when they are hanging out with their
friends, in their minds they arethinking we could start a

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podcast or we should start one. But the reality is it's just not
that simple. And then even when we started
this one, Jesse told me, apparently 93% of podcasts don't
even make it past 10 episodes. And I started to look into this

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and it's very true. I found a podcast that's very
similar to ours. It was just three friends
talking about movies and they just dropped off the face of the
earth after episode 12. No explanation whatsoever.
Yup, just never heard from again.
Yup, It's like you said earlier,it's the the consistency, like

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just showing up and doing it because it is easy to just talk
because everyone does it. Whether like like you said, like
you're hanging out with your friends just talking like that.
Put a microphone in between all like all your friends.
That could easily be a podcast, even if it's just between like
you guys, like you guys just want to record your
conversations so you guys can like listen back to them and

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just like laugh at all the dumb shit you said.
Like it could be that simple. But yeah, a lot of people don't
do it. And like, yeah, like I told you,
like a lot of podcasts at start,they don't make it past 10
episodes. And here we are, below the line
cast episode 23. Yeah, and doubled that, Jesse
said. We're gonna pull back the

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curtain just a little bit. Here's a very interesting thing
is that this whole show, believeit or not, was not even my idea.
What? No, Chad wasn't my idea.
No, it wasn't. It wasn't either of our idea.
Yeah, that's the crazy part. It was, it was neither of our

(30:53):
ideas and we're always doing it here.
We are still doing it. Yeah.
Yeah, honestly, we got I I give a lot of credit to cast and
like, you know, for the for the inspiration that he gave Dylan
when it was starting the podcast.
Yeah, but like as we're like we're mentioning like, yeah,

(31:14):
like he suggested it, but then like also for him to like
schedule time to like come here and do it, it's not so easy even
though like, yeah, it was his idea.
But that just goes to it just goes to show that it's not
exactly easy or people are not always willing to like after an
8 hour shift, people, most people just want to go home and

(31:36):
watch, sit down and just watch TV.
But if you're Dylan, like as soon as you get home, you're
going to put on your running shoes and go for a Six Mile run.
Yep. And if you're me, well, you'll
do either or of those things depending on the day and my mood
that day, because there doesn't a lot of days where I just come
home after a long day and I'm just going to I'm going to sit

(31:57):
on the couch and watch TV or I'mgoing to be like, you know what,
before I stay on that couch and,you know, just start being a
fucking fat ass. I'm going to I'm going to run,
I'm going to run one. I'm going to run one mile the
treadmill. And then I'll sit my fat ass
down. And then I do do that.
And then I feel, I feel more justified in my leg.
Miles. Miles a mile.
Thank you. Yeah, yeah, it's it's not as

(32:22):
easy as people think. You gotta, you gotta show up.
Yup, that, that's the number onething.
Yeah, showing up. Just showing up.
Like we could we could have beenrecording like just with the
same mic that we that we had initially started with or if,
if, if we can didn't even have that.
I honestly think like, you know,it might have been a little bit
tacky, but you know, phone audiolike just like point being.

(32:45):
Voice memo. Yeah, like if.
You have a phone, which if you can make it, yes.
Like it's like Youtubers. There are some Youtubers like
obviously they're big now, but when they first started, they
recorded on their shitty ass like 720P phone at the time.
And then, you know, as they keptdoing it and invested more in
their hobby and their craft, they upgraded their gear.

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I remember back in the day with the early, early Youtubers like
Jenna Marbles, when they first started, they would even record
with like their laptop webcam. Yeah.
Yeah, that's like what, 360? Yeah, like 480 at the at the at
the absolute best. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So that's like, yes, I'm trying

(33:31):
to hype ourselves up because like, hey, fuck, yeah, 23
episodes. Like we're still doing it.
But at the same time, I'm tryingto be humble and like, you know,
not to our horn too much. But also, you know, I want to,
if no one will give us our flowers, I'll give myself
flowers. But if you want to give us
flowers, leave a comment down below on Spotify, YouTube or any

(33:55):
other major podcast platforms that we're on because we're not.
We're on more. Yes, we are.
I I know for a fact that we're on iHeartRadio.
Yes, I know for a fact that we're on Audible on Amazon.
Oh shit. Audible.
Yeah, we're on Audible. I know you told me that, but I
just forgot. Damn.
Yeah, yeah. Chat, we're on Audible.

(34:16):
The number one audio book platform also hosts Below the
Line podcast. Yup. 23 episodes over an hour
long. An hour's long worth of content
each episode. Yeah, that's that.
That is a decent audio book. Like more than 23 hours.
Like that's a decent audio book.That's a Stephen King level book

(34:38):
right there. That's the 48 loss of power.
Yeah, right there. Yeah.
But yeah, Chad, like all this tosay is that it's been an
interesting journey, just like from the beginning.
Very interesting. Specifically me, because Dylan
has a bit of media training, because he's been doing YouTube
media training, media training, he says media training quote UN

(35:04):
quote. Whereas me, like I'm definitely
more casual about it. I I definitely listen back to
our episodes and I'm I've gottenbetter at it now, but I remember
listening to our early episodes and I'm like, damn, I speak way
too casual or my speech pattern.I don't like the way I speak
like, I don't like, I just did it right now.

(35:24):
I don't like when I say like andI do that a lot.
I hate that as well. Yeah, like I listen back to the
podcast. I'm like, damn, I sound like a
white girl just like this, like that.
Like, like, like, like, I hate it.
But that is genuinely how I talk.
But I'm working, you know, I'm trying to get my media voice,
trying to be media trained like you.

(35:44):
It's, it's funny because I understand what you're saying.
I do have six years of experience with YouTube and then
TikTok, obviously. So I, I, I have that sort of
idea of how to speak to an audience, but I still don't

(36:05):
think I'm very good at it, weirdly enough.
Because for me. That's your imposter.
It's still very weird to put a camera in front of myself and
then speak to it. But I will say, I think if you
watched, for example, the Transformers video, especially
when I break down my arguments for why I think the movies are a

(36:29):
lot better than people think. My voice is very, I think it's,
it's very. I don't know what the right word
is, but it sounds much more. We sound more like in charge.
I'm confident, yes. Like, oh fuck, there, I did it
again. You, you, you sound assured of
yourself. As in, you know what?

(36:51):
Like the topic that you're aboutto speak on.
Yes, you sound like you're passionate about set a topic and
you're about to break it down. Yes, exactly.
There you go. Whereas I think I've had some
episodes on here that I'm actually pretty proud of, and
then some episodes where I think, wow, that was fucking
terrible, bro. Tell me why I feel that way

(37:15):
about one of our most popular episodes.
You told me earlier before off the pod like and you I'm gonna
ask you to repeat it, but our top five most listened to
episodes are. So.
Obviously Joker episode 7 because yeah, classic.
Yeah, so I've been on a little bit of a digital Sabbath.

(37:39):
I don't want to call it a cleanse or whatever the Wellness
lingo is because I. Just a digital detox.
Yes, exactly. I because I'm sorry, dopamine
detox, that's bullshit. But I've been on a bit of a
digital Sabbath because last week my family and I did go to
Disneyland and I didn't want to be looking at Instagram

(38:02):
notifications and emails and allthat.
So I haven't been keeping up with any of that.
I only recently started to checkon everything yesterday, maybe
Wednesday at the earliest. But yesterday I really dove deep
into our Spotify metrics and I thought it was really

(38:23):
interesting to see what our top five episodes of this show are,
right. And the first, the the most
listened to episode is what Jesse said.
It is the Joker master class Foliadu unpacking.
Foliadu I think is what I named it.
I think so, yeah. The second episode is
Thunderbolts, which of course, which I think is is both

(38:45):
surprising and unsurprising. It's.
Surprising, given the fact that Thunderbolts, as good as it was,
did not perform well in the box office.
That's the shame. That's.
The real shame? The third is examining mental
health and media, and I have a gut feeling that's the one
you're thinking of. Yes, yes, that's the one where

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I'm like, damn, I don't know if I came hard enough for that
episode, but because one of likeone of the highlights of that
episode was it. Seemed to speak to people.
Yes, it spoke to people, which I'm glad it did, but I, I
genuinely thought that I could have done better, especially
when we like dive into Bojack Horseman.
But that's why, like, I would like, I want to revisit that

(39:27):
topic again. Well, it's obviously going to be
a Bojack Horseman episode, but maybe under the subcontext or
the subtitle it'd be, you know, mental health.
Part 2 Yeah. And see, our fourth most played
episode, and this is the sort ofthe irony of it all is Judgement
Bay and I, I was not happy with my performance in that episode.

(39:52):
I remember as soon as we finished recording, I told Jesse
and Cass that I feel like I dropped the ball there.
I just don't think that I I cameso prepared with all these notes
he did that I had a lot of notesI have made publicly available
on Obsidian. I don't know if anybody uses

(40:12):
that app for notes bro. But I.
Use it. Yeah, they're publicly available
if you guys want to sift throughthem.
That's how just to see like how much I actually had to say.
And I thought I just totally fucked this up.
But then just a few days later, I put out the Transformers video

(40:34):
and I felt like retroactively that almost made-up for the
episode. Yep.
Because the the video, like you said, it just took off.
Like I, I wasn't expecting that.Yeah.
And then we did the Patreon episode, which I honestly think
is our best episode out of all 23 episodes that we've made to
the public. Part of me does feel kind of

(40:56):
bummed that what I think is the best one is behind a paywall.
Yeah. Because I think for what I
failed to say in Judgement Bay, I recouped in Age of Bayhem.
Right. It's OK.
At some point, maybe a year fromnow, Chad will have access to,

(41:16):
you know, our Patreon episodes. We might make them publicly
available after, you know, a certain amount of time that's
passed. If we hit, let's say like 50
patrons, we'll release it. Yes, all right. 50 or 100, it's
up to you. You know what, I like 100 cuz
it's a nice, you know, even number.
All right, 100 patrons. All right chat if you get 100

(41:37):
patrons, we will release the 1st10 episodes on Patreon for free
because I think it's gonna take a while before we get to 100
patreons Yeah, probably like we're not we're we're in the
works of recording our our our was episode 3 yeah our third
Patreon exclusive video. So like we, we, we try to drop

(41:59):
them at least record one at least once a month.
And you know, as, as we get better at handling like
scheduling and all that, I'd love to like, you know, drop 2
episodes a month to like really give like, you know, the people
have to. Support us incentive, Yeah.
One, the incentive and two, justlike the appreciation that like
the support that they're giving us, just reward them with more
content. And then, you know, you hit 100

(42:21):
subscribers, just drop the like the 1st 10 episodes, like, you
know, make them available to thepublic.
And, and I need you all to see the greatness that is Watchmen.
But when cash is uninhibited, that episode was hilarious, bro.
It's 'cause we, we recorded, we really like, we really are like

(42:41):
pulling, pulling back the curtain.
But I know like we recorded thatepisode.
That was in episode 10, Watchmen.
Episode 10, yeah. We did the the Patreon episode,
we recorded that. We called it into the Snyder
verse, parentheses, the Snyder Cut.
Yes, and the yeah, the first hour when the cast showed up, he

(43:03):
came in hammered. So the first hour, he was just
going, it really was speaking. All this is this degenerate
shit, yeah, that you would not hear sober.
And then by the time we were done recording, and then we
started recording the real episode, episode 10, to release
to the public, He started to sober up by that point.

(43:23):
So you can kind of still catch glimpses of it in the episode,
but it's definitely there in like the Patreon episode.
So chat, I'm just like, I'm justgiving you like something to
look forward to when we get to 100 and we just drop these
episodes. Yeah.
Because the episode we did afterthat?

(43:44):
Hilarious. Yeah, it really was.
And then, yeah, the the Snyder episode is it's pretty funny if
I do say so myself. And then?
Probably that episode, yeah, thePatreon and like the actual
episode, like that was like our first milestone episode, like,
hey, well. That was the one where we had to

(44:05):
prove that we were going to last.
Yep. Yeah, and.
Then we did episode 2 and it wasthere, man, it's kind of great.
Just like I, I like, I like, I like this episode because, well,
first of all, it doesn't feel like we have like something like
a pressing topic that needs to be addressed.

(44:27):
It's more just like, hey, fireside chat.
We're just like shooting this shit and like revealing like
what what goes on like behind the scenes?
Like to to make, like to make any, yeah, make any episode
happen. Yeah.
Because like, yeah, like Chad, Isaid like we, we do have, you
know, I didn't call it a Docky, I call it a calendar.
Same shit. Like we we do have like episodes

(44:47):
planned in advance and like we, we.
We have a system. Yeah, we have a system that like
it. It's fun.
Like it just just watching like how it just naturally developed.
Like we went from recording in the garage to recording in the
studio, getting an additional mic like, you know, working with

(45:07):
like the mixing and mastering tolike get the the.
Vulnerability, right? Yeah, figured out.
It's like all all this like little shit that we've, we've
had to like learn along the way.It's been fucking great.
Like compare episode 5 when you listen to a chat to this
episode. I dare you to tell me episode 5
sounds better than this one. I dare you.

(45:29):
Yeah, 'cause it doesn't. No, it does not.
Not even a little bit, No. No.
So yeah, chat, I don't know whatlike I I, I, I wish that chat
you guys would comment more because I really want to get out
your perspective and like just see like, what are you guys like

(45:51):
looking like? What do you guys look to get out
of the podcast or like, what arethe parts that you enjoy?
I mean. What, what do you want us to
cover? Because I think, you know,
getting this off the ground to, we really had to, I think be
intentional about the episodes that we did plan because

(46:13):
obviously we had to do things like Superman and Fantastic Four
because we knew there was going to be so much hype around them.
And then there were some things that we did, like the mental
health episode that I think we did purely out of, I want to say
more maybe sort of personal relevance because I, I, I know

(46:37):
the, the mental health episode. I, I told Jesse May is, is
mental health awareness month. Maybe it's something we could do
for this episode. I don't know how much we could
actually get out of that. And then it, it, well, look what
happened. It's the second most popular
episode. Yeah.

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But but as as of right now, chapright now, like are we, we're in
like a closed feedback loop. So it's kind of like we we
record didn't mix his master's it he drops the episode, yeah,
like he'll get some feedback andthen we come back and we record
again and, you know, discuss howwe personally felt about last

(47:19):
week's episode and how we can make it like how we could have
made it better or how we can make the current episode that
we're that we are recording better.
But it would help a lot if like,you know, if, if, if our
feedback loop went from closed to open.
Like when Dylan told me that we just got our first Spotify
comment today. Oh, bro, I was so happy.

(47:41):
Like, yes, finally, let me see what the people are saying.
Yeah, like it helps. It helps me just like it'll help
us know, like in what direction,Like what in what direction
people want to see the pod. Yeah.
Because yes, we are a movie podcast.
And like I said earlier, we do have episodes planned and we do

(48:04):
schedule things ahead. But, you know, it'd be better if
this was like more of a community driven podcast.
And the only way that it can be a community driven podcast is by
getting, you know. The community is for you to
participate. Yes, to participate and like I'm
this is me, just this is me likeasking quote UN quote nicely,

(48:27):
yes, because you know, I'm not trying to like, I'm not going to
beg for likes and engagement andall that, but I'm just saying
like chat, if you're listening to this, you've been you've been
listening to me yap for like 30 minutes while you're still
washing dishes. Hey, when you're done washing
dishes and drying your hands, leave a comment.
Tell me how annoyed you were at that.
I told you to comment. Or tell me like why you hate my

(48:50):
voice. Or tell me you know what you
liked about the episode. Literally any feedback would
help, yes. Any any sort of comment
feedback. There is no other word for it.
Any sort of feedback would wouldbe helpful.
And like I said too, I'm curiousbecause I'm also tempted to ask

(49:12):
this on YouTube with all the newsubscribers is I really want to
know what kind of episodes you want us to do?
Because I, I do have kind of quote UN quote unique ideas for
episodes, but I'm not sure if it's something that people would
be into. And I, I also do want to ask,

(49:33):
yeah, the, all the subscribers, like what do you want to see
from me? Because I I can go in depth on
the 1st 3 Transformers films, but I don't think doing that all
this year is very wise. At least not so close together,
yeah. Yeah, not be bad like they were

(49:54):
spread apart like a couple months or whatever then.
Yeah, yeah. Especially if they're going to
be like over an hour long videos.
Can I imagine these are going tobe like your first Transformers
video was just 40 minutes and that was just you just talking
about Michael Bay and the subject without.
I mean, yes, you did. You did.
You did dive deep, but now you can dive deeper into each
individual film. Yeah, they're gonna be over an

(50:15):
hour long. I think the people can wait a
few months. Yeah, they can, yeah.
But yeah, chat, I'm just, I'm just really curious to like get
your opinion and like just get your feedback on things because
we are now 23 episodes in. So I feel more confident in
saying that and asking for that because if we were like episode
10 of the Snyder Cut episode asking, hey, Chad, let us know

(50:39):
what you think if you give us feedback this and that.
I don't, I don't know if, if we were, if we would have been in
that position to like ask for that.
But I think now, given that we're more than 2020 episodes
in, I think it's fair that we can ask like chat, like, hey,
what do you guys want to see? Because it because if you don't,

(51:00):
then you get episodes like the running podcast, because then
you get episodes where we're like, all right, let's just do
something different that's not really related to, you know,
movies, but still tangentially. Is it or not that episode is
not. It hasn't performed horribly.

(51:21):
It's kind of upper middle of thepack.
Oh, shit. OK, that's really surprising to
me. Yeah.
But it could also be just given the fact that like it's a later
episode, like it was within likethe last five episodes.
It was once we sort of, it was kind of obvious that, oh, this,
the show was gonna keep going. Yeah, yeah.
And I think after a certain point, it's like, all right,

(51:42):
like these episodes, the. Dedicated listeners, Yeah.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. Exactly.
I'm glad you do. Oh yeah, Chad, that that was
just like something I. Wanted to bring but the
conversation is what Jesse is trying to say.
Yes, because like this is a conversation and even before,
before I even joined the podcast, like when it was just

(52:04):
dealing the cast, like I remember I, I listened to like
the first episode and like one of the things you guys said in
that episode is like you want tocreate an environment that's
like open to discussion or like,you know, you want to create a
conversationalist environment. So I'm just here to keep on
pushing that because that's beenthe mission statement, the below
online podcast mission statements since episode 1.

(52:25):
And I'm just here to, you know, hey, we're still we're still
looking for that. We still want to have a
conversation with people, but it's kind of hard to like, you
know, have a conversation with people when I don't know what
the feedback is. And like Dylan, like Dylan does
get some feedback and he'll tellme and I'd be like, cool.
But what we're asking is. For But The thing is, it's like

(52:48):
direct feedback on Instagram DMSor yeah, TikTok.
Yeah, and so if you feel so inclined to disagree or agree or
argue with our opinion, leave a comment.
That's all I'm gonna say. Yes, you mentioned the first

(53:10):
episode going all the way back to that inaugural episode.
The one thing that I think I actually said that had some
value in that episode is that I think we tend to to live in a in
a media landscape that prioritizes the extremist takes

(53:35):
everything is peak or it's trash, right?
And the truth is, most of the time, 90% of the stuff you watch
is just pretty good. And I just, I want the show to
be able to bring that out in people to acknowledge that like

(53:56):
we did with Fantastic Four. We didn't tear it down.
It might have sounded that way because most people did like it,
but the truth is it we just feltlike there was something
missing. It didn't connect with us.
And I want more people to be able to acknowledge the Shades
of Grey when it comes to media criticism.

(54:18):
Even if you liked Fantastic Four, tell me why you disagree.
But explain to me why you you disagree.
Don't just tell me that I'm an idiot.
Yes, it's OK, Chad. You can tell me I'm an idiot.
Hey, I'll take that comment. Engagement is engagement.

(54:42):
OK, fair enough. But I guess what I'm trying to
say is like, I think there is space to talk, talk about things
you like while acknowledging that it's not perfect.
Yes. And there's there's space to
acknowledge that. You can vehemently dislike

(55:03):
things like the way I dislike Batman V Superman, but you can
also acknowledge that maybe somewhere along the line there
was something in there that could have worked.
Do you think there's something in there that could have worked?
I do, really. Yeah.
What do you think could have worked in Batman versus

(55:23):
Superman? OK, the Batman versus Superman.
So I think the very beginning, seeing the end of Man of Steel
from Bruce Wayne's perspective. I like that.
I thought that was actually pretty brilliant.
Yeah. Because it's, it's an immediate
and effective way to get us to understand Bruce's motivations.

(55:48):
But I also think too, it was just a very humanizing sequence
because it it put us in the place of the sort of the
bystander essentially, because Man of Steel is so over the top

(56:09):
with its destruction that it I think it does reach a point
where it kind of becomes numb tothe audience and you don't
really you don't really think about it.
And I think Batman versus Superman, I think there is
something there to in terms of seeing that destruction from

(56:30):
Bruce Wayne's perspective, who is a human being with no
superpowers, right? But I, I don't think they, I
don't think they elaborated on that at all.
And I also think too, this is a really small moment, but it's
something that I think about quite a bit is there's a line of

(56:50):
dialogue in Batman V Superman that I really, really like.
And it's the. Martha.
No, surprisingly, it's it's the scene before Batman goes off to
lure Superman into the fight, where they're standing in the
burned ruins of Wayne Manor and Bruce says something like, I'm

(57:13):
older now than my father ever was.
Oh shit. And I think that was, that's an
interesting angle to come at this Bruce Wayne from, because
this is such a radically different Batman to to basically
say that the only thing that drives this Batman at this point

(57:33):
is some semblance of survivor's guilt.
Like, I have outlived my father and what am I doing?
I'm just trapped in this endlesscycle of trying to stop crime,
but it's always coming back. That's an interesting
interpretation of Bruce Wayne. But they didn't.

(57:54):
That's not the angle Zach came at it from.
And then Alfred says something like, so falls the House of
Wayne. That right there, I think might
be the biggest miss potential inZack Snyder's entire DC
Universe. Because in the entire Batman
mythology, the only motivation we ever get from Alfred for

(58:18):
basically being Alfred is a sense of surrogate fatherhood.
But in Batman V Superman, that single line, it's sort of
signals to the audience that he feels like he is this sort of
royal keeper of old, like a, a protector of this this legacy.
Like they're almost sort of externalizing this idea of The

(58:42):
Dark Knight, right? Because I mean, even if you
think about the way that Bruce Wayne lives in in Batman V
Superman, he is let's you know, The Dark Knight, OK, he's a
noble figure and he lives in a palace, even though it's a lake
house. But just for the sake of the the

(59:03):
metaphor, he lives in a palace separate from his poor,
underprivileged, crime ridden city that he sort of Lords over
and tries to protect. Like they are trying to
externalize this idea of The Dark Knight and they just, it

(59:26):
never went anywhere. Yeah.
So yeah, I mean, I there are things in BBS that I think were
interesting or could have been something.
Unfortunately, they just weren't.
Yeah, I understand that. I think what mean it was not, it
was not my favorite. No, it was my favorite movie.

(59:50):
I think I, but I don't know, because I want to say, I want to
say that I enjoyed, I enjoyed that movie more than Man of
Steel because I really did not like Man of Steel.
No way. But I don't know, I think
Justice League would have been like it, the Justice League
Snyder cuts probably like Zack'sbest quote, UN quote

(01:00:12):
contribution to the DCEU. But yeah, I'm just glad like
James Gunn is rebooting all of that and we're we have we're
going to get two different Batman's.
We're going to get like the batons in 2027.
Which is the good one? Yeah.
Honestly, like, yeah, like I, I have given, like the, I've been

(01:00:34):
thinking about this more lately.Like given the direction where
Superman went, I do think that the Batman that he, I, I have a
feeling that the Batman that James Gunn is going to have is
going to be a bit more campy andlike more akin to the, the, the
earlier iterations of Batman. And then just, you know, leave
the baddest in as like the the The Dark Knight and or the dark

(01:00:55):
interpretation, like the mopey depressed interpretation of
Batman. Yeah, which I think, I mean, I,
I, I kind of hope he goes that route because it would feel, I
don't know it I don't think it would be a good comparison if
there was like, you know, 2 Mobyand depressed Batman's in like,
you know, the the new DC universe, even if the batting

(01:01:18):
scene is its own Batman crime saga universe.
I think it'd be better like if the Batman in the DCU is starkly
different to the bat and sin which he could still be Batman
cuz there are so many iterationsof Batman that you can choose a
different 1 so I'm hoping that'swhat they do with this one.

(01:01:39):
Yeah. Because, yeah, like you said,
because that would have been such an interesting angle to
take the The Dark Knight mantle.Like one, it's this Bruce Wayne
is older, older than his father,which is like, I didn't even
realize how deep and significantof a line that was until you

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mentioned it. And Zach completely butchered.
Like he like where it could havegone with that.
Like that line is too hard to goin that movie.
Exactly. Yeah, I agree.
Like. Zach, man, you know how you
know, you know how to direct thepunch, and that's all I'm going

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to say about you. And you did give me a watchman
and I and I, I, I, I unironically did like Watchmen.
So I'm not the biggest Zack. Snyder Hater.
Well, I mean, you said Justice League was his greatest
contribution. And I agree because I think
that's when I think I finally understood what he was trying to

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do with the DC Universe, which Icould be way off the mark, but
to me, the Snyder Cut does not feel like a typical comic book
movie. It's not trying to be The
Avengers. To me, it's almost like high
fantasy but with superheroes. Like this is my genuine.

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I can't believe I'm gonna say this because I hold this trilogy
in such unbelievable reverence. Oh no.
But it's almost like he was trying to do The Lord of the
Rings with DC. Was it as good?
No, obviously not. But to me that even that even
kind of deepens this idea that he should have ran with Batman

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as almost I hate using this word.
I I feel like I my vocabulary should be better than this.
But to me, the idea that JusticeLeague is high fantasy with DC
characters, to me that almost validates the idea that he
wanted Batman to be a sort of literal Dark Knight.

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You know what I mean? Like Gotham City is his Kingdom
that he is trying to protect. Especially because like, yeah,
that would honestly, that angle would have worked because this
is an older Batman. So it's like he's been
established people, people in Gotham know who the Batman is
exactly. Versus like, you know, yeah,
like Batman Begins or The Batmanwhere it's still like a new

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Batman. And not everyone is, yes, people
fear him, but like, not a lot ofpeople know of him.
Like he doesn't have like that presence yet.
Like I bet you in the DC, EU, ifit had still lived and I can put
a little bit more effort into that as character.
I've been in that universe, that's where we would have had
like a Matches Malone. There's not gonna be a Matches

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Malone. And it's too early in his career
to do that. And Chad, if you know who
Matches Malone is, then you are a true DC fan.
Because I didn't know. I didn't learn who that was
until this year. Really.
Yeah. I just started getting into,
like, trying to reread comic books and stuff like that.
Like after the Snyder episode, Iwas like, you know.
What? I made that reference with such

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confidence that I was like, OK, he clearly knows, yeah.
Oh yeah, no, I know. But like I just found out this
year, like I've been doing like a deep dive.
Like it's like just getting intocomic books, but there's so
many. So I've, you know, I've just
like following like the guides and just getting into like a few
series here and there, like Batman.
There's a lot of Batman stories.So you know, I've been picking

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and choosing which ones I read. Yeah.
And yeah, but Chad, that's not where you, that's not where you
came here to listen to while you're still, you know, washing
dishes. And if you're still washing
dishes, yes, like if you're still washing dishes, maybe take
a break because, you know, that can be good for your hands
unless you work in the kitchen where your job is to wash
dishes. And please continue listening to
this podcast. And if you're still folding

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laundry yet, if you take a break, unless you're working on
a laundromat where you have to fold laundry, then just keep on
listening to this episode. OK, chap, I'm going to try to
talk about some Movies Now, eventhough we can't already work.
But let's try to talk about somerecent movies, yeah?
Hit me with it. All right.
What's funny is that, you know, as I continue to pull back the

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layers or like the the curtains,what's funny is that I had
pitched this this movie to Dylan, like, hey, let's talk
about this last week in case, you know, we run out of things
to talk about. Well, guess what, chat?
We didn't run out of things to talk about.
We did not. We we hit the we hit our podcast
time like the length that we wanted and we're like, fuck,

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yeah, we did it. But fuck.
That means we got to wait until another episode to bring this
up. But I'm going to bring it up now
because this fireside chat. Yep.
Happy Gilmore 2. Tell me why you hated it.
OK, I hated it because I feel like it's not even a real movie.
I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, because
I agree. OK, I agree.

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I don't. Want to be hyperbolic because
I've seen a lot of movies in my life.
Right. But I genuinely think this is
one of the worst movies I've ever seen because it's so
clearly designed to be made coincidentally as something that
you watch in the background. And this, I mean, you could you

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could kind of make this argumentfor a lot of Netflix originals
that these are movies that you kind of just throw on and sort
of like half remember while you scroll your phone or, you know,
doing whatever else. Yeah.
But to me, I think Happy Gilmore2 is the biggest offender of
this. It feels like a movie that was

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made for to be like made into TikTok edits, right?
Or, or just it felt like SNL 50.I don't know.
It was just weird. Like there are so many cameos in
this movie too. It was distracting.
But The thing is, there were so many cameos to the point where

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some of these people weren't even in the scene long enough
for it to be considered a scene.It was like they just appeared
and they're gone. So I, I think it's just a very
cynical, it's a very cynical exercise in, I don't want to
call it filmmaking. It's a very cynical exercise in

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movie make storytelling. Yes, yeah, OK.
No, I'm, I'm in agreement with you.
But in that one, literally like how you said in the beginning of
the I literally put this movie on in the background and I just
stayed on my phone for pretty much like the entire movie.
Yeah, yeah. I, I felt like this how I felt

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about Gladiator 2 at the beginning of the year.
That's how I felt about this movie.
There was like, there was so many callbacks to the original.
It's like they're trying to baityou with a nostalgia bait, like,
oh, hey, remember this scene? Well, ha ha, look, now it's now
it's an older Gilmore or oh, look, like, remember like the

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shit that Happy was doing when he was younger.
Oh, look, now his kids are doingit and they're just as rowdy as
he is. Ha ha, ha.
It felt like it was it was doingtoo much to call back to the
original and not trying to standon stand on its own, just like
Gladiator 2. Which is crazy because these are
both movies that like they were solid on their own when they

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came out, both Gladiator and Happy Gilmore.
And then like 20 years later studios are like fuck it let's
make a sequel I think. There's a There's an argument to
be made that the original Happy Gilmore is one of the most
clever Adam Sandler movies. Pray tell in what way?
Because I, I'm not going to disagree with you.

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I do think in terms of just the the comedic highs and like the
way it's executed. Like it's not like Adam Sandler
does like a lot of slapstick humor and that is that is also
like present in Happy Gilmore. But I kind of do get what you're
saying when you say it's clever,but go on.

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Well, I'm not the biggest fan ofAdam Sandler's brand of comedy
to begin with, but I think that Happy Gilmore, the original one,
yeah, is, is, is clever with itsphysical comedy and it's
writing. I think it's writing is, is
actually a little bit more. I'm not going to say it's

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profound or anything, obviously,but I think it's a little bit
more layered than people think. I'm not the biggest golfer.
I've heard some people say it's actually a pretty decent golf
movie, so I don't I don't know how true that.
Is you know what? I don't have one golfing buddy,
but he liked it. OK.
I don't know. I don't know if he liked Happy

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Gilmore too, but he did laugh atit.
Yeah, he did laugh at it. So he did get a laugh out of it,
but I don't know if he enjoyed it as much as Happy Gilmore, the
first one. OK, fair enough.
But yeah, I've heard that it's, it's kind of a decent golfing
movie, which I cannot confirm nor deny, right.
But yeah, I think there's, I think there's some nuance, let's

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say to the screenplay in the first one.
Yeah, I I can see. That and and yeah, like I said,
I think the physical comedy works as someone who's not
really an Adam Sandler guy, right?
I think those early Adam Sandlermovies, I think a lot of them
have their fans. Hi, it's me.

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I'm a fan. And I just, I don't really think
I could point to an Adam Sandlermovie that isn't Uncut Gems and
say I like. This big daddy, grown-ups not.
Crazy. OK, you know what?
The first grown-ups isn't terrible.
You're OK. You've got me.

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The longest yard? You like football?
I do like football. You're a football guy.
I am. Some will say it's a pretty good
football movie. Some might say that you're you
know what? If if they.
Have. Maybe I'm just in the wrong
circles. Fair enough.
Right. But if you'll allow me to to

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play devil's advocate here for amoment about Happy Gilmore 2.
Oh, OK. Is it possible?
Rare. This is rare.
Is it possible that we're wrong?Well, first of all, Chad, I've
never been wrong in my life, butlet's pretend that I am.
Well, OK, it could be possible. So just a few minutes ago, we

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were talking about how we wantedto foster a community.
An open conversation with the show, yes, where we acknowledged
that there's shades of of grey and that really media criticism
is a spectrum. It's not just this.
I see where you're going this. End to end of garbage and peak

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cinema. OK so I was watching this and I
admit I was kind of on my phone too for parts of it.
Like, no, you're right. Like it's a perfect background
movie. And then too, I was also playing
with my grip strength thing. Even when I'm not working out,
I'm trying to get some pump in. Right.

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Even when you're not working out, you're working.
Out. Yeah.
So is there is there any part ofyou that maybe thinks about
Happy Gilmore 2 and wonders if it's kind of weirdly personal
for Adam Sandler? Because because there's this
element of obviously happy is isolder in this movie.

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There's this. I think there's this, I don't
want to say theme, but a motif about aging.
He casts his daughters in the movie.
Yeah, which? His family is.
Kind of, yeah. It's kind of like this, this
element of legacy. Yep.
And I think there's there's thiskind of undercurrent of anxiety

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about death. Is it possible that this is some
sort of meditation on death fromAdam Sandler?
Because I did notice he has his screen writing credit.
I'm not saying that the movie's good.
That is not what I'm saying. I'm the snob here.
But is it possible that he triedto make this a personal project

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where he's trying to, I don't want to say, air out his
grievances, but maybe process some some feelings or some
thoughts that he is now having to confront as an aging man?
Yo what the fuck is this? Who?

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How dare you bring nuance into this conversation.
Why can't we just hate freely? No, I'm kidding, but fuck that
that honestly, that's a genuinely good good point, Cuz I
I think I agree, because for thepoints that you mentioned, he's
got his family involved. So obviously legacy.

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I think cuz he he I think he hadmore influence in how like this
movie went. He did so he was able to, you
know, get some he. Wasn't just a producer like I
said he had. Unless I completely read the
screen wrong, he has a screen writing credit.
Yeah. So I think I, I, I think there
was some like, you know, calculations done like prior to

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the movie because like, no matter how, how I feel about
this movie and how much I don't like it.
It's I'm not defending. It no, but it's it's still going
to be on Netflix yeah, because it's Netflix original, which
means it'll always be on Netflix.
He's got his kids on it in it. So, you know, the more people
stream it like the more he's already setting up his kids for

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life in the in a sense, because the Happy Gilmore IP is I mean
used to be like just very popular legacy, but now it's
kind of like, you know, a mini franchise, quote UN quote.
So now his his kids will benefitfrom, you know, being inside
movie, even if it's not good, people are still going to watch
it, which means they're going tostill get paid from their

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streaming. Yeah, and the royalties.
The royalties there were there was a lot of cameos.
Well, like Adam Sandler. What I like about him is he
tends to work with the same group of.
People. He seems like he has his people.
Yeah, like and 1st like like hisfriends and I know there was
like 1 dude in particular who like I think I don't know if he
went off the deep end or if he went he joined Magger or some

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shit. But point being, he hasn't been
in a lot of acting roles since and Adam Sandler gave him a role
in this movie because are. You talking about David Spade?
Is that the dude? I, I want to say yes, but I need
to see a picture before I confirm.
But I, I think if, if, if it's aperson I'm describing and that's
the first name you went to, thenI want to say yes.

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Because if I, because I don't think there's any other actor
who, who, who, I just who I described that would fit this
criteria. There's only one.
Fair enough. But yeah, so Adam Sandler got
him him to play in the movie like as a cameo role.
So like I am, I am in agreement with you that this did feel like
an Adam Sandler legacy movie in terms of, yeah, he's got his

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family involved. He's still working with the his
friend. He got his friends involved too,
like giving them opportunities. So yeah, I'm I'm in agreement.
I'm in agreement. Agreement with you there.
Yes. Him.
Shit. OK, Yeah.
Chad didn't just show me a photo, but yeah, I know.
Yeah, that's the guy like, yeah,like he would have black balls
from Hollywood after like, you know, some shit from for his

(01:17:43):
political views or whatever. Yeah.
And like, you know, yeah, good for I.
Mean like it tends to happen. Yeah, yeah.
But I mean, good for Adam Sandler and that like he sounds
like a really like he sounds like a genuine dude.
Like that's his friend. And yeah, sure, you can just
like it's like real life. You might have friends who have
different politics or different preferences and like you can

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still be friends with people whoshare different views from you.
Yeah. Doesn't mean you have to share
that view, just means that that's just a topic you don't
talk about or if you do and thenjust prepare to get into a
heated discussion about it and share a beer after.
But OK, I see what you're sayingand I mean, I have I mean,
you're not wrong because it's like I kind of have to give you

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that. Like, yeah, I do think that I'm
sounded like he did like put puta lot of thought into it.
Like there is obviously like thelegacy motif as you put it and
like aging legacy and all that. It's I think it is there in the
movie, doesn't mean it's good. No, no, not.
I see what you're saying. Like, so like, yeah, let me try

(01:18:46):
to add some nuance into that because I think my only problems
or my problems with the movie isthat they tries too hard to
like, nostalgia bait you. Yeah, like do too many callbacks
to the original movie. Every everybody from the first
movie now has a kid in the second movie, and they're all
adults now. The you can do it guy had a kid.

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The fuck was a Jackass? That guy had a kid played by,
which I thought was kind of cheeky but kind of funny at the
same time, played by Eminem. Like his big role after Eight
Mile is the guy being the son ofthe guy who was his only
memorable lines was Jackass. So it's like it's just like a

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lot of nostalgia Bay, like it's trying to get you to quote UN
quote care about these characters, even though they're
not the original characters. They're like the offsprings of
it without really giving you a reason to care about these
characters. Like you want to see a movie
that does legacy right with, youknow, with having like a son in

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the picture. Top Gun Maverick.
Yeah, Mic drop absolutely. Like you want to see like a
movie that actually does that? Like you know, with Rooster and
fuck was his. Goose.
Goose because Rooster was the son.
Goose is the dad. Yeah.
Talk to me. Goose.
Yeah, that's how I remember, like the names.

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But yeah, so like, like in that movie, Top Gun Maverick and no,
we've already talked about Top Gun Maverick.
So I'm just I'm going to keep this very brief, but to use it
as an example of a good movie that does legacy good.
Top Gun Maverick you have the son and then you give the son
like you know, an actual story and character arc in the movie.

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All of the sons and like like all like the minor characters
and the camels in happy Guild War Two had no character arc.
Even fucking Bad Bunny. I don't even think he had a
character arc. He was just a caddy the whole
time. Well, that's.
Even the homeless dude in the like your original caddy had

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more of a character arc than fucking bad Bunny.
Him from working in a restaurantto being a caddy and that was
it. Their dude went from being
homeless to being a caddy to being a dude that dresses up and
drip at the very like last like 2 minutes of the movie.
Whole character arc right there.Fair enough.
Well, so I think in the last episode, we kind of alluded to

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this conversation about legacy versus cheap nostalgia Bate.
And I think that's a very tightrope to walk.
But I think this is ironically amovie that falls into the
nostalgia Bate trap. That's really all it's trying to

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do. Like I said, it feels like a
movie that is made for the the clips, the sort of yeah, the the
clip Tik Tokification of of cinema that that that's what's
happening here in Happy Gilmore 2, which it sucks.
I want to make this clear. I have not seen The Naked Gun

(01:22:05):
with Liam Neeson, but I think it's interesting that this movie
came out around the same time asThe Naked Gun because these are
both legacy sequels to Gen. X comedies is what I should say.
And in The Naked Gun, the basic premise is that Liam Neeson's
character is the son of Leslie Nielsen's character from the

(01:22:27):
original Naked Gun. But by all accounts, everything
that I've heard about The Naked Gun is that it's pretty good and
actually very funny. So I, I can't really speak to
the intricacies of why the nakedGun works, but Happy Gilmore
fails. But I think it's, it's just
interesting that we have these two examples that clearly

(01:22:50):
portray the difference between legacy and nostalgia Bate.
But I do think it, I, I just think it, it, it tried to be a,
a very personal project for AdamSandler for all the reasons that
I stated, because I think Adam Sandler comes from a generation

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very much that sort of carries the belief that your children
are your legacy, but they're going to carry on your name.
And like we pointed out, his family's in the movie.
So I think not only, yes, he's setting them up, but he's he's
trying to, well, I don't know, it's just my interpretation, but

(01:23:35):
it feels like he's trying to to set them up to carry on his
name, whether they sort of choose to break from his brand
of comedy or not, Right. It's it's just an interesting to
think about. I think it completely fails in
its execution. But I do think that there is

(01:23:56):
this, this undercurrent of, yeah, just the anxiety, the fear
of death that runs throughout the movie as well.
Because, spoiler alert, Julie Bowen's characters killed off.
Bro so you know. There, there is I, I, I think
just this element of death to the movie as well.

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But I I don't. Obviously it doesn't do any of
this in an interesting or innovative way that redeems the
movie. Yeah, I think how should I put
this? I think this movie has a heart,
but it's a very low pulse because like, like you're

(01:24:43):
saying, like this, this did feellike a personal project to Adam
Sandler. So I think there is like he I
don't think he phoned it in. I I think he did like put effort
into it just so I think that there is heart in the movie.
It's just a very weak pulse because it's it's like
overshadowed by the nostalgia bait where that was like an
executive, executive decision. Or if that was Adam Sandler's

(01:25:05):
decision, I don't know. But either way, like, it makes
the movie more nostalgia bait than an actual like, you know,
sequel, which is sad because I think Adam Sandler does want
this movie to be a legacy movie.Well, it doesn't like hit those
check marks to be that. No, no, not at all.
And. I'm not gonna say it's easy to

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make a legacy movie, but it can be done.
Top Gun it can. Be done, yeah.
Tron Legacy, another one that I just thought of right now. 26
Yeah, I wished on. That one.
It's a sequel to The Shining. Okay, yes, yeah.
So see, so sequels can be made, especially to movies that came
out over 20 years ago, the movies that we just listed off.

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But I don't know, I'm not a director.
I don't know what I'm supposed to tell them, but hey.
And now with a nostalgia debate,if you're gonna do a sequel,
make it stand on its own. Like, yeah, you can do
references to, like, the first movie, sure.
Like, it's a continuation. But when you start doing, like,

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flashbacks and this and that andcallbacks and it's, it's too
much. Yeah.
And that's how I felt about Happy Gilmore, too.
So while I feel that you're devil's advocate point, it does
have it. Does it?
Generally, it does have some merit.
I don't think it's enough to ultimately, like, carry this
film into being like, you know, a good movie.
No, I think. No, And I want to be very clear,

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I'm not making a case for the movie, right?
I'm just saying I think there was something going on or there
was supposed to be something going.
On as the kids would say, I don't think this movie was
trash. I think it was very mid and I
think that's OK. Like I'm, I'm not gonna call it

(01:26:53):
peak, I'm not gonna call it trash, but it's just very like
just average. Which is funny because I felt
the same way about Fantastic Four First Steps.
Yeah, so did I, So did I. Ironically, I think I would.
I I no, not ironically, I think I still would choose to watch

(01:27:14):
Happy Gilmore Two over FantasticFour First Steps again, just
like I would choose to hate watch Captain America, Brave New
World over that movie. I, I, it's, it's just too boring
for me. Yeah, but.
Maybe I, I have to give it another chance, you know, maybe,
maybe make maybe like there's something that I'll like about
it on a rewatch, kind of kind ofthought about Black Widow, like

(01:27:36):
I didn't like it at first, but on a rewatch I was like, that's
all right. See, I was the opposite with
Black Widow. I really like Black Widow when I
saw it for the first time because the first half is this
kind of spy espionage thriller. It it kind of wants to be
Mission Impossible. And then the third act, we have

(01:27:57):
this ridiculous action sequence,floating fortress in the sky,
and Elena is just falling off inthis the most obvious CGI green
screen explosion imaginable. And it was the rewatch where I
looked at Black Widow and thought, this is kind of

(01:28:20):
incredibly mediocre. You know, Elena had to be pissed
off about that stone. That's why when when she did
Thunderbolt, she was like, you know what, let me jump off that
building for real. For real.
Yeah, probably she was. She was so disgusted by the CGI
in her own movie. Right, you know what, I, I, I'm
going to make that head countingin my head because that, that's

(01:28:41):
not a lot cooler. Like it really does, actually,
yeah. Well, if there, if there is like
if there is something or if I'vehad to name one of my pet
peeves, it's that I'll just finding about like just learning
about like the pre production orlike just people talking about
literally anything pre production when it comes to a

(01:29:02):
movie like right now. And I and I genuinely try to
avoid it, but it just shows up in my feed.
Like I'll be all Reddit browsing, scrolling and I don't
know where I see a Marvel post where people are complaining
about the new Spider Man suit orpeople are complaining that you
can see a bulge in the Spidey suit when it's like, bro, this

(01:29:23):
is what we're going to choose tofocus our energy on today.
Yeah, it's fucking pictures of Spider Man of Tom Holland, Dude,
people. People just want a reason to
complain about anything, yeah, Whether it's about movies or
other topics that I'm not gonna get into.
Or to even just hype up anything.

(01:29:44):
Yes like the same topic, the newspider man movie.
I saw another post where someonecommented like shit like look at
Tom Holland's haircut. They're obviously going back to
like how they did the original first spider man.
Was it Spider Man from No Way Home or Far From Home?
Oh, Homecoming. Oh, homecoming.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
They were saying like, oh, like,look at the haircut, how it

(01:30:05):
looks. It looks very similar to
homecoming. So like, who cares?
Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's like people are
reading too much into it. And like the haircuts are not
even the same, but people are like, oh look short hair to the
side, same haircuts like. Guys, that's incredibly bizarre.
Yeah, and bro, and like I saw itthe most with, with, with

(01:30:27):
Superman before it came out. Like all any little news that
came out about Superman, people made a post about it and blew it
the fuck up. And then James Gunn, bless his
heart, he would fucking like respond or engage with it.
Like people would say like, oh, you know, Superman's gonna do
this, this, this and this and that and like the D CS going in
this direction. And James Gunn's commentator

(01:30:49):
responded, no dot, dot, dot. It's not, that's not the
direction we're going. It's just fun that people like
people fan theorize just based off pictures or rumors they hear
and they run with it. Yeah.
And I and I get tired of it. It's it's exhausting, yeah.

(01:31:10):
And I don't know how people can can function like that because I
have to imagine it's exhausting to be the kind of person who
looks at set photos and hypes upa movie thinking it's going to
take a certain direction becauseof a hairstyle.
Yeah, that's insane. Right, yes, like I think that's

(01:31:34):
people put like way too much thought into it and it and like
as much as I try to avoid it, like it still shows up on my
feet like whether I wanted to ornot you.
Can't escape it. Yep, like I can like try to
block it or mute, like try to filter out keywords or whatever,
but then like then I miss out like on like genuine like just
like like just memes of just like shit.

(01:31:55):
I want to see it. It's just like it it it's
honestly, this is honestly a first world problem and I'm just
complaining about it, but it just it also annoys me.
Like, people have this much timeto just overanalyze any little
thing before the movies even come out.
Like, guys, just just let them make the movie.
Yeah. And then come out with your

(01:32:16):
critiques, like, you know, afterwatching the movie.
Just like how I do with Fantastic Four for steps.
Yes, exactly. I'm going to keep on talking on
that movie. By all means, go ahead, I
welcome it. Yes, until I rewatch it and
maybe I'll be like, yeah, it wasn't that bad, but until it
comes out and streaming, I'm notgoing to rewatch it yet.
It wasn't that bad. It's still not a ringing

(01:32:37):
endorsement. Yeah.
But I see a lot of people too, talking about this Spider Man
stuff because they think that the MCU desperately needs a
face, Someone needs to head the new, this new generation of the
MCU. And obviously everyone is
looking to Spider Man. And I just don't think Spider

(01:33:00):
Man's the guy to do it because Idon't think Tom Holland has it.
I don't think Tom Holland can can carry it.
I've never been impressed by hisPeter Parker or his Spider Man.
And I think trying to put the weight of the MCU on the
shoulders of a character that Marvel doesn't even fully own,
Sony could yank him away at any point.

(01:33:23):
I think that would be incrediblyfoolish, to say the least,
right? But yeah, I just so many people
are creating all these differentscenarios based off of scent
photos or it's just, it's just causing all this discourse and
it's just, I think it's a littletoo much based on how little
information we have. Yeah, about the movie.

(01:33:45):
When I mentioned that, you know,we wanted, I wanted discourse, I
didn't mean it like this, guys. No, no, no.
Like not like, not like. Over analyzing every little
thing. No, before the movies even come
out. Like let's let's just like wait
until the movie comes out and then like talk shit about if
it's shit or praise it if it's good.
Yeah, it'd be nice. Chat, engage, let us know what

(01:34:12):
how you what you thought about today's episode because we were
kind of all over the place, but a little bit.
Yeah. This is kind of like how it goes
when we do decide to do a fireside chat.
Yeah. So before we end this episode,
it's like 1 little curtain pull.I want to do OK, just one last
like little thing. I'm I'm going to show you Oz

(01:34:35):
right now. I'll chat.
I don't know how to say this in a way that sounds exciting, so I
would just try to hype it up andbuild it up as I go chat here at

(01:34:58):
Below Online Podcast. We have been providing content
for the last 23, almost 24 episodes.
Besides the regularly scheduled program, we've also have been
dropping some Patreon episodes. And all this to say is that
we've been like, you know, building up a catalog and as we
like, as the show has been goingand as we've been like

(01:35:21):
meticulously planning things outof how they're going to go,
ideas come up, directions change.
And the way like the podcast is still going to be a below the
line podcast and it's still going to be a podcast that's
trying to foster discussion about movies, even if we didn't
talk about movies that much today.

(01:35:44):
All this to say is that the reason why we decided to do a
fire set fireside chat episode today is because surprise
announcement next week's. It hung in there.

(01:36:06):
Yep. Ladies and gentlemen, next
week's episode will be the last episode of Below Online Podcast
Season 1, because we're going tobe coming back again strong for
Season 2. That's right, this podcast is
now a seasonal podcast. This idea came to me like a

(01:36:27):
couple of episodes ago and I andI shared it with them.
Like yo, what if we transition into being like, you know, a
see, like you know how TV shows have seasons.
What if we transition into a seasonal podcast and like, you
know, build it all up into like 1 hype moment, one season finale
and then come back Season 2 witheverything's going to be

(01:36:50):
different. Not, not not everything's going
to be different, but there will be upgrades.
There's yeah, there's going to be some upgrades being done
behind the scenes. It's not like we're going on
vacation. There's going to be more
planning done. But like all while all this pre
planning is being done, it's going to be give us time to like
actually like prepare to delivera better season than what we

(01:37:13):
did. If season 1 of Below Line
podcast was about the journey, Season 2 is going to be about
refining our craft because we'restill on that journey.
But now like we're, we're getting better at doing this.
I think so. Dude, we've been talking for two
hours and 47 minutes. 47 minutes.

(01:37:33):
Yeah, we've been talking for a while when we first started by
just trying to get over like those initial 90 minutes.
Yeah, it's kind of hard in the beginning it.
Was a little tough, Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
But as we've gotten like now, like chat, as I've, I've been
saying, like, you know, hey, here's a little bit of Oz.
But we generally try to aim for like recording for 90 minutes.

(01:37:54):
And that's kind of what we plan whenever, like we we record an
episode. And if you've been a long time
listener, you know, most of our episodes are not 90 minutes.
No, they tend to go old at all, especially this one.
Oh, God, I kind of feel bad for Dylan.
Who's gonna edit this episode? This is this.
Is it'll be fine. This can be a This can be a
chunky episode for you guys. A little bit, yeah.

(01:38:17):
But that's what we do around here.
We give you the content, and what we want to do in Season 2
is deliver even better content, more streamlined for you.
And all of this is going to happen behind the scenes.
But I promise you, we are not leaving before the year is over,
before fall is even here. We'll be back and you're going

(01:38:41):
to hear us again. Arguing over dumb shit, yes.
Or hyping up really cool shit. Hopefully.
Or shitting on Fantastic Four first steps again.
All of this, probably. You will see, but chat next

(01:39:02):
episode if we normally try to dolike the big episodes, like
every like, you know, episode 10.
Yeah, 1520. See to keep it consistent with,
you know how TV shows are usually programmed or whatever.
Next episode will be the season finale.
And I'm not going to tell you what we're going to talk about.

(01:39:23):
No, but Dylan did name drop the movie in today's episode.
So you kind of if you've made itthis far.
Yeah, you made it this far. You it you whether you know it
or not, you already know what the next movie or what the next
episode is gonna be about. Mm hmm.
So that's all I'm gonna say. All right, there it is.

(01:39:46):
There's the big announcement. We are going to try and innovate
the movie podcast format by adopting the old Hollywood
Network syndication format of seasons.
And we're going to give it a go.Hopefully it turns out well.
But obviously, yeah, the point is to come back better,

(01:40:10):
stronger, better, just higher quality.
And yeah, that is the goal. And hopefully you're going to be
along for the ride. And in the meantime, there will
be some stuff on YouTube to tideyou over that will be

(01:40:31):
supplemental to the first seasonof the show.
And of course, if you are feeling generous, there is the
Patreon that has two extra hoursof Below the Line podcast season
one right now. Yep, but I promise you, you will
get there will be one more season 1 Patreon episode.
Yes, there will be one more Season 1 Patreon episode and

(01:40:56):
again, you can find the show on most podcast platforms.
Spotify, YouTube, iHeartRadio, Audible.
Yes, Pocket casts all the above.Yes, and chat honestly, it it
does kind of get me excited to like, you know, being able to

(01:41:17):
like refer to the show like in seasons like yo, see if season 1
we had all these little highlights and all these
moments. It's going to be like really
fucking cool to see like how howmany highlights we're going to
get in Season 2, Especially since, you know, if you're, if
you're a fan of the show and maybe sometimes you get a little

(01:41:38):
bit bored of the monotony of only two people speaking to each
other. Well, Season 2 will be featuring
more guests than Season 1 ever had.
Yes, it will. There you go, There's your
announcement. Yup.
So stay tuned, but just know we got one more episode left in the
tuck for you guys, for you, for you listeners, I hope you will

(01:42:01):
join us on this journey. And it's gonna be, it's gonna be
a special one. It's gonna be it's, it's a movie
that I have really, really come to, to love and and respect for
so many reasons. With that being said, chat,

(01:42:22):
thank you for sitting down with us on this fireside chat and
just listening to us ramble and just, you know, talk about
random shit. I appreciate that and I
appreciate you. Yes, thank you for listening,
everybody. We know this episode was a
little scattershot. It was, there was some

(01:42:42):
definitely some talk about movies, Happy Gilmore 2 and
whatnot. But yeah, and obviously we we
touched on some other cultural, I don't want to say issues, but
some cultural moments that happened in the past.
And again, hopefully I just, I'mtrying to provide nuance, not to

(01:43:05):
tell you that it's absolutely this or that it's absolutely
that. So hopefully the mission was
accomplished. But thank you for listening to
us ramble. If you enjoyed the show,
consider sharing your favorite episode with a friend or family
member. And despite the number of

(01:43:26):
platforms we are on, the most effective way to support the
show is to follow us on Spotify or subscribe to the YouTube
channel youtube.com forward slash at Nightfall Films.
And while you're there, go checkout the new Transformers video
while you await the next video. That I think it's going to be
pretty interesting. It'll be interesting to see what

(01:43:48):
people think about it. So hell yeah, yes, that's going
to do it for today. Thank you to Levi for composing
the intro music. Thank you to Jesse for the
artwork. Thank you to our producer Maya,
and thank you to all of you who've been listening, whether
you've been here since episode 1or episode 8, the joke episode.

(01:44:13):
You are the the reason that thisshow continues to go on.
And hopefully you are on board for the seasonal format because
we do have some some clever ideas to make this cool and fun
and interesting. You got a lot of cool ideas.
Yeah. So hopefully you're on board.

(01:44:35):
So if you are a dedicated listener, and we hope you join
us, like Jesse said, well beforethe fall even starts, we'll be
back. But there is one more left and
it's going to be a fun one. So thank you for listening,
everybody. Peace plants.
Namaste.

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