Fireside Chat: State of the Industry

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Be inspired to do things differently.
Hey everyone, welcome back to the show.
This is Below the Line podcast brought to you by the nobodies
of Hollywood. I'm Dylan.
And I'm Jesse and sitting not ornot so not sitting right next to
me is cast. He is not here.
Why? Because he's feeling under the

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weather. Again.
And I'm legally obligated to give him a day of rest.
Yes, and you might ask, how doesone get sick during the summer?
Well, sometimes that's just how it goes.
Yeah, sometimes some people are just punk ass bitches and and

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they'd like, you know, they justlike they get a cold and they're
like, I can't go to work all jokes.
Of course, it's it's all jokes. So last week was it was, it was
heavy, you know, it was a very in depth, thought provoking, at

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least I hope so discussion aboutsomething that I have been
holding on to for quite a while.So.
Who was that? Our boy Michael Bay.
Yes. You know what?
Like you did. Give me the auteur.
The auteur. You did, you did give me a lot
to think about over the weekend from that Michael Bay.
Absolutely. Yeah, you did okay.

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And then you dropped your your additional, you know, your
extended notes on the the YouTube channel, yes, with the
video editing and everything. Yes, give me giving me like
grand swooping motions of optimist fighting a big ass
robot in the forest. Yes.
Explaining the details and I'm like, you know what?

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I understand it now. Do you really?
Yeah. I was like, oh I get it now.
Here, I honestly thought my bestediting choice was comparing the
forest fight to that Black Widowscene.
Yeah, because I I honestly thinkyou can see the difference.
Like if you're being and you know, as long as you're holding
both movies to the same standard, you can see the

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difference. Yeah, like how one like and it's
funny because one has CGI like it's the Transformers are all
CGI. So when Michael Bay's doing like
the camera sooping thing, he's just doing it and just like
there's. Nothing technically in the face.
Yeah, he's like, all right, thisis how I'm going to shoot it.
And like they're going to be about this big or whatever.
And then that's that, that's theshot.
And then we go to Black Widow and it's like all tight, close

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to the face. I'm like, I, I understand what
he's saying now. And what's really weird about
that Black Widow chasing is I didn't even remember until I was
editing the video together, thatreally weird shot where they
like put the camera under the truck and all you see is.
Under the truck. And the wheels, yeah, I'm like,

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that's a choice. Right.
Yeah, I don't know that's, you know, I included it as an
example for a reason, but I think seeing it even during
playback, it kind of surprised me.
Right. No, it was a good, it was a good
editing choice. Yeah.

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And it made it like easier to comprehend.
Like when you're talking about like technical levels and
technical detail and, you know, shit like that.
It, it makes it easier to comprehend for like, you know,
the casuals like, oh, that's what he means.
I I get it now. Yeah, Speaking of Michael Bay,
though, I, I think I have a friend who told me something
about Michael Bay earlier this morning, some news.

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That dropped. I cannot believe the timing of
this news. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and
girls, everyone, cinephiles around the world this morning
because I I finished the video last night and the YouTube gods
smiled upon me and did not give me a copyright claim, right?

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So I scheduled the video to be released today at noon Pacific
Daily time. And then this morning I am going
through the news of the industryas one does, especially when
you're a nobody of Hollywood, right?
And I see the craziest headline Michael Bay in talks to direct

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new Transformers movie. Bro, I thought he was done.
I thought he was like, you know what?
Like, yeah, I thought like, no, I thought he was done.
Like I thought he was just goingto stick to being a producer,
not being like the guy behind the camera, but looks like he
wants to be the guy behind the camera again.
I was extremely surprised as well.

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I couldn't believe it because I think, I think you can kind of
feel Michael Bay feeling trappedin Age of Extinction and The
Last Night. What do you mean like in terms
of the like how the story went or just in terms of like that
that being like the last set of movies he directed?

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I think what I mean is the firstthree Transformers movies.
To me anyway, you can see that he's very passionate about them.
Right. And I think by the time you
reach Age of Extinction, those are the ones that people really,
really go after. I think understandably so,

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right. But I guess what I'm trying to
say is I don't think Michael Baywas as emotionally invested in
Age of Extinction and the Last Night.
So I think what I'm what I'm trying to say is I feel like
kind of, I hate that this is always the go to example, but

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marvel the way that they operateby committee, the way that they
want things done a specific way.I think Age of Extinction in the
last night, that was kind of theclosest Michael Bay has been to
being in that situation because Dark of the Moon made it was in

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the video, I think $1.1 billion,right?
And they wanted him to make another one because I believe
the conversation at the time wasMichael Bay told Steven
Spielberg, I'm only going to do 3.
And then I'm going to, you know,go, go make movies that I want
to make, whatever those are. And then once you have a movie,

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make a billion dollars. The studio obviously wants more
movies. It's like, OK, I'm going to do
this, he said. I'm just going to do Age of
Extinction. But then that made a billion
dollars and they're like, we want you to do one more.
Yeah, please give us a fully a do.
Exactly. He's like, OK, I'll I'm real.
This is really going to be the last one.

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And I, I, I just think, I guess what I'm trying to say much is
it pains me to admit, is that Age of Extinction and The Last
Night are definitely the lesser Transformers movies, right?
And I think a major part of thatis because Michael Bay was
trapped. And so the reason the news of

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him coming back to Transformers is actually exciting to me is
because the report is that he wants to do this.
Paramount didn't come to this and say, let's try to strike
gold again. Michael Bay came to them and
said I would like to do one more.

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See, he just need like a break and like, get get like, you
know, just get his mental right.Yeah, exactly.
It's too many explosions, too many big giant robot scenes that
I got to imagine in my head of how to shoot.
So you know what? After like last week's
conversation and today's video, I'm actually excited.
Like I would be excited to see how Michael Bay does

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Transformers like now, cuz I don't think I, I don't think I
saw the last Transformers movie.The the most recent one, the one
the beast. Yeah, I didn't see that one.
I think that came out like 2 years ago or three.
I didn't, I didn't completely sauceless that that that's what
I heard. So I'm glad I I didn't see it
and Michael Bay didn't even direct it.
So no, yeah, he was a producer, but he his involvement was

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practically nothing. Right.
I think it's exciting because hedid, like you said, he he was
able to take a step back. He made 6 Underground for
Netflix, which is just Michael Bay dialed up to 20.

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And then he made Ambulance, which I think reminded people of
how good he can be when he's invested in a project and when
he's not, I think, confined by studio edicts, so to speak.

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And so he was able to take this break, and now he's coming back
to hopefully direct another Transformers movie.
And this has no basis in reporting whatsoever, but I'm
just going to say it. Deep down, I am hoping against

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all hope that this is the returnof Sam and Mikayla.
Bro has shadow booth even done anything?
Like has he acted in anything recently?
I don't think so. I think the last movie I saw him
in was The Peanut Butter Falcon,which is an excellent little

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indie film. Like I've never heard that.
He is friends, he plays this character who is friends with
this kid that has Down syndrome and the kids dream is to
basically meet this wrestler like AWWE wrestler called the
Peanut butter Falcon. So Shia Labeouf's character,

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he's kind of a down on his luck loser.
He doesn't really have much going for him in life.
So it's it's kind of one of those movies where he, I don't
want to say he takes the kid under his wing, but it's like
Shia Labeouf's character finds purpose by saying, OK, my life's

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kind of shitty. So all I'm going to do is try to
give this kid the best day of his life.
And it's like a cross country road trip story.
That's nice. All right.
Yeah. I was going to say I was about
to say I'll have to check it out, but I already have like a
long list of movies. I'm just going to like remember,
hey, Shia la Boeuf look of his wiki.

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What has he done recently? And if I see peanut butter, I'll
be like, Oh, I remember that conversation with Dylan.
All right, I should I should watch this one.
He was supposed to be in a movie.
Like a blockbuster movie or or still indie like I think cuz I
don't know, I don't know what what LA Boeuf's reputation is in
Hollywood right now. You know what?

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I don't know what it is either because I, if I, if you look at
the comments of some like podcast that he shows up on,
half the people love him. Half the people think he's the
most evil person to walk the Earth, right?
And I'm, I think I've made it clear, like I'm not, I'm not
here to comment on the personal lives of people in Hollywood

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because I think, I don't think it takes a genius to know that
growing up in the public eye is probably really tough.
Yeah. I'm not making excuses for
anything he's done, but I also don't know the specifics of
anything that he's been accused of.
So I'm not going to comment on Shia LaBeouf, but what I was

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going to say is he was supposed to be in it.
It's mostly an indie movie. Last year, not last year, the
year before called Strain, Don'tWorry Darling.
And there was this whole fuckingcasting controversy where?

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I I think I've heard OK, you know, I think I've heard the
story. Director Olivia Wilde said she
fired Shia LaBeouf because Florence Pugh felt unsafe being
around someone who's been arrested for assault.
Or like, you know, just being anangry person.
Right. And then Shia LaBeouf did an

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interview saying. That he quit or something?
I was not fired. I quit.
And then I don't know if it was Shia LaBeouf or his publicist,
but someone leaked a video of Olivia Wilde, the director of
the film, in her car, basically sending Shia LaBeouf a message
saying, you know, I really want this to work.

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I I want you to reconsider, you know, being in the movie.
And she says this really weird thing.
Like, I think this could be a wake up call for Miss Flo
Florence Pugh, as in like the the sort of, I don't know what
the implication was, but it it almost sounded like Olivia Wilde
thought maybe she sounded a little entitled by not wanting

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Shia LaBeouf involved with the project.
Right. But it was just so weird because
there's all these different stories.
Yeah. And then there's video proof of
Olivia Wilde saying she wants Shia LaBeouf to be in the movie,
right. And I don't know who to like.
What's the real story? I believe Shia.
Well, I. Mean they they exist Exactly.

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You have to believe. Like they they both made they
both made claims that go againsteach other, but one has a video
that kind of backs up the other,the other person's point.
Like it backs up Shia's point. Like if she fired him, why is
she on the phone? Like trying to get him to like,
not leave. Yeah, exactly.
So I I remember I did hear like that that story, like, hey, like
Shia LaBeouf was like arguing with.

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And I I know if I've. I don't know who.
No, I do know who Olivia Wilde is.
Yeah. I just can't like, right.
She's done shit that I know she's in house.
Yes, 1313. Yes.
That's OK. Thank you.
I knew like I knew I knew who that person was.
Yeah. So, yeah, it's just one of those
weird situations where there's like 10 different versions of

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the story, right. And you're trying to track the
real life rational model. Yeah, exactly.
The the the true version, I guess.
But yeah, like you said, the video exists.
So it's kind of like you have tobelieve Shia.
Right. And.
I think, sorry, I was like, well, go ahead.

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A lot of people compared it to the Amber Heard and Johnny
Johnny Depp stuff like. That's a little out of pocket.
That's that one was like 1 dealtwith like domestic abuse and
like other flagrant shit and theother one just dealt with like
hey I don't want to work with you.
But see, that was a mess too, because, and I'm not going to

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get into the weeds on that. Trust me.
But like when the stuff about Johnny Depp first came out and
I'm not even a huge Johnny Depp fan, I just said let's wait and
see because I I'm not into the the court of public opinion.
Right. But yeah, like you said, that
that is involving serious crimes, right?

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Whereas, you know the the Don't Worry Darling, it's about
casting. It's like drama that's different
like that, that's drama is not the same thing as like, hey,
this is like real life. Like people may or may not be in
danger here. And especially what's what makes
it so different is that Olivia Wilde was dating Harry Styles,

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who ended up taking Shia Labeouf's role.
Like when he left the movie, that's who replaced him.
And I think it's it's understandable why people would
say, well, of course Olivia Wilde's gonna throw in the guy
she's dating. Yeah.
So. And I try to stay faced by
saying that like, hey, we. I fired him.
Yeah, I bet she didn't say shit.And like, hey, we just, like,

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partied, like, separate. Like, just one of our separate
ways for creative differences. Shia would have been like, yeah,
all right, I'll shut up. Yeah, he didn't say anything
until he started badmouth. Yeah.
Once try to throw him under the bus, it's his fault.
It's like, I gotta say something.
Yeah, but OK, so. But that'd be like, I don't know
if we'll see shine in Hollywood like that again, like especially

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in the Michael Bay film like that.
Would, but he loves that comeback.
Yeah, I know. I was about to say that would be
like a great comeback like the the dude that was in the whale
who was like the guy that made the mummy how he was like
blacklisted from Hollywood for awhile.
Yeah, and he made his comeback with like the whale.
So I don't know if a child above.
He won an Oscar for it. Did he?
Yes. Good for him.

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Yeah. Nice.
I almost cried. Keyword being almost yeah.
Well, his speech was really emotional, obviously.
I want to watch that film, but it's just, you know, yeah, it's.
There's too many movies. Yeah.
Like the list, Like it's too much, but OK.
Michelle LaBeouf, Michael Bay Like them, reunited.
The point is, it's possible. It's it's, you know, anything's

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possible. But but here's the real like
opium here. Yeah.
Michael Bay and Megan Fox have repaired their relationship.
They repaired it a while ago, right?
All the way back to that TeenageMutant Ninja Turtles movie,
because Michael Bay was a producer.
He didn't direct it, but he was a producer and I think he had

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not insignificant involvement inthat movie.
So she was already willing to work with him.
But I think since then, Megan Fox, I think around 2015 or so,
has said that she would work with Michael Bay again and that
she was wrong to say that the things that she said about him.

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Right. She said at the time she was
obviously still new to the industry.
And Michael is just a very, I mean, he's an auteur.
They have personality, right? Extension personality, yeah.
So yeah, Megan Fox has has retracted her comments about
Michael Bay. So that is the real like hope

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deep down because it would be soeasy for them to wreck on Age of
Extinction and The Last Night. Right.
They've already been doing it. Yeah.
Every new Transformers was like,hey, do you remember the first
one where like they just came down here, like they they just
arrived or whatever. And then you got a bumblebee.
Like actually we've been here since like the seventy 80s.
Yeah. And it was like, I don't know if

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it was Age of Extinction or another one.
Like actually we've been, we're the ones who helped you build
your pyramids. Yeah.
Like we fought Nazis too. Yeah.
But see, that could be the moviethough.
Sam and Michaela coming back together, right?
Like you could start the movie with Sam.
And still down on his luck. Yeah, and, and, you know, bring

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the the Autobots and the Decepticons into it somehow, but
the the sort of emotional core of the movie could be Sam and
Michaela finding their way back to each other because.
You know what if, if, if we're if we're going to talk about
like if we're just going to hopefor things that will likely not

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happen, then I in vain with that.
Then I'm going to hope that if if Michael Bay does do that and
he gets Shia and Megan Fox back,I hope he just like a like, like
a stuff reboot and just like reboot the Transformers
universe. Like hey, just just reboot
everything. The first 3 movies and this are

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the only thing that yeah. Like just just do like a soft
reboot or something like you canretell like the, the Sam, like
the the salmon, Michaela's story, the storyline again, like
modernize it for like, you know,older millennials because we're
not, yeah, we're not in high school anymore.
Make it like hey like this, these 30 year olds like fall in
love and like shit like that. They're both already super

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depressed. Yeah, and you know, obviously
because it's it's a Transformersmovie, they have like they got
to have like some random teenager in.
So just throw in like a teenagerin there and like bam, emotional
way of the movie that'll be sound Michaela's with Michaela's
relationship and everything elseis just, I don't know, I let
them figure it out. You let Michael Bay.
Yeah, just. That like reboot it?

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Yeah, I I'd be all for it. Me too.
I just, I I just think it's, it's such good news because the
the the franchise has no identity without him.
Yeah, and, and you're right, I kind of made a joke about it in
last week's episode, but Transformers 1 is a good movie.
Yeah, it's just that that's obviously not mainline

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Transformers continuity because it's an animated film.
Unless it is. I don't know it.
Is. I haven't read about it, yeah.
I don't know what Transformers lore is.
Neither do I. Like I don't.
Maybe they have a multiverse andthis is a multiverse where it is
and I don't know. Yeah.
I don't. The point is, I don't know
what's going on. Some nerd will tell me at some

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point, so I bet cast will tell me feels here.
He would probably know, yeah. But yeah, the the point is the
live action Transformers movies.And I say this to someone who
liked Bumblebee. He just had no identity without
Michael Bay. Yeah.
So I, I, I think his him coming back as a good thing.

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And yeah, the the the part in methat's just if we're hoping for
things that might not happen, ofcourse, I'm hoping for a Sam and
Michaela one off just that wouldfeed generations.
Right. Someday AI will be advanced

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enough to where I can tell the AI.
Give me Transformers Dark of theMoon, but swap out Carly for
Michaela, right? Because it's so obvious that
role was meant for Megan Fox. I think it was they had to
rewrite it or whatever. They didn't even rewrite it.
They didn't rewrite, it changed the character.
Damn. Because if you listen to

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everything in Carly's back story, it lines up perfectly
with Michaela's character in thein the 1st 2 movies.
So it's just it's so obvious that they that the intention was
there. So just when the AI is advanced
enough, hashtag give me the Megan Fox cut.
Right, that'd be funny. Yeah, just crazy news to wake up

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to. Yeah.
What else? Because this video that you just
told me like 30 minutes before we started recording.
This today was just a good day for news after.
All for all you cinephiles. All the speculation, all the
complaining, all the even a little bit of fan outrage.
Matt Reeves has officially submitted the script or The

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Batman Part 2. Filming begins January of next
year. Damn, about time.
Yeah. So tell me what this means for
the Batman universe. What can we expect Batman now?
Is it still 2027? Yes, October 2027, which I'm
glad that it's releasing in October because I have thought

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for a long time that a Batman movie should come out in October
for obvious reasons. Right.
But they just never have. So this is going to be the first
Batman movie released in October.
That's number one. Number two, Matt Reeves has not
given me any reason to doubt himyet.

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Batman, The Penguin, I think both are among the best of their
respective mediums. And I know especially the TikTok
audience, if they hear this, will say I'm just glazing the
Batman, but. Because you are.

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That's my job, the if. If I'm not here to glaze the
Batman, then who is so? That's true, actually.
So so I think The Batman is one of the best comic book films and
I think The Penguin is one of the best comic book shows.
Yep, I'm not going to be there. So Matt Reeves has a track

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record and just as a film maker,Dawn of the Planet of the Apes,
it's a good movie. It's not my favorite franchise,
but it's a good movie. It's a good movie film, Yeah.
War for the Planet of the Apes, same thing.
Very well made movie. Let me in love that.
I think people like it. I like it.
I love it. Very atmospheric.

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And then he did 10 Cloverfield Lane, which was the only one
that's not in found footage. So I think it's the best
Cloverfield movie. So he has the pedigree.
I was always an advocate for Matt Reeves taking his time with
the script. Yes, part of me was thinking
five years between movies is waytoo long, but.

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But then we look at tough, good Maverick, and it's like, you
know what, 39 years for a sequel.
Exactly. No, but to be fair, I think
people are upset because superhero movies like you're,
they have like you're so used. To like this every other.
Yeah, which I think it's fair because I mean, like the
superhero movie, like not industry, but just like that's

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kind of how like they put themselves in that situation.
Like maybe you can credit creditthe formula to Marvel with like
their three movies every year formula and then DC trying to
copy it or whatever. But I think like audiences are
used to like now in this era, like I think post like 2008,
2010, like audiences expect likea superhero movie, like if it's

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not gonna be cancelled or whatever they expected like
within like two or three years, a sequel and the Batman for Part
2. Five years, my guy.
Five years 5. Years, but that just means it's
gonna hit that much. I, I hope so because like, if
anything, it's just building up like this, this hype and
expectation, which I don't like to do.
I don't. I don't.
I don't like. To I know you don't.

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Because then it's like, oh man, I'm hyping myself up too much.
Like whatever, it doesn't live up to like the first one because
it could be a technically sound movie, but I wasn't really hyped
for the first one because I was like, I didn't know what to
expect. Like it's going to be a Batman
movie. I'm I'm going to like it,
probably hopefully, but I don't know what I'm expecting now that
I've been introduced to the universe and I've seen like the

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Penguin. So you know, I'm I'm invested
in, you know, the was it the Reeve, the Reeves universe?
They. Call it the official name for it
is the Batman Epic Crime Saga. Is there a shorter shorthand
name? No, I, I, I said they should
have just named it the Batman Crime Saga.
That would've been better. Yeah, I'm just.
Gonna call it the pattern, the bat instant, the bat instant

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Batten, the Reeves verse, the Reeves, the Reeves verse.
Yeah, we'll go with that. The Reeves verse.
So yeah, I'm I'm invested in theReeves verse.
So five years for like any new update in the Reeves versus.
I can understand why fans are upset, but you know, we don't
owe it. We don't like directors and
creatives don't owe us. Like, yeah, it's, it's on their
timetable. Yes, Matt Reeves does not owe me

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anything, even though I am the number one fan of The Batman.
Yeah, Yeah. But I agree with everything you
said. I understand why they're upset.
But I do think part of it is just because of the way
Hollywood has been operating specifically with superhero
films is they have conditioned audiences to expect them every

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two to three years. I mean it, it's a very quick
turn around for these movies. Yeah, so I understand.
But at the same time, if Matt Reeves taking this long to write
the script means that we get thebest movie possible, then I'm
not going to say anything. I will gladly wait for the

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movie. And I mean, I he's going to show
Chris Nolan how to make a Batmansequel.
The sequel was The Dark Knight. What do you mean exactly?
A good movie? A great movie.
Arguably like one of the one of the best movies that come out,
you know, after 2, after the year 2000.

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You know what? I can't disagree because I know
what you're doing but but. Before I get ahead of myself.
Before I get ahead of myself, yeah.
Well, what other news came out? So this is surprising to me.
Denny Villeneuve was selected todirect the reboot of James Bond,

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which I don't. Know how I feel about that?
The what? The fact that James Bond is
getting a reboot, or the fact that it's Dennis?
The fact that it's Denny Villeneuve being the guy to
shepherd the franchise. And here's the only reason I say
that he is such a talented filmmaker that I don't want him

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to be stuck after we were just talking about Michael Bay,
right? I don't want him to be stuck
making Dune and James Bond movies for the rest of his
career, right? I I want to see his original
stuff. I, I I'd rather he focus on Dune

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because if at the rate that he'sgoing with Dune, if every if
every book is going to be a 2 parter.
Oh my God. So it's like what, 12 films
maybe I. Think Dune Messiah is going to
be 1 movie? OK, I don't know how they're
going to. It's probably going to be like 3
1/2 hours long, right? I'd be OK, I'd be fine with
that, but OK. What else has he done besides

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he's doing? So he has directed I think in
order enemy. Nope, prisoners.
Nope, Sicario. I've heard of it arrival.
I know. Blade Runner 2049, I've heard of
it. And then that's when he started
working on Doom. Okay, interesting.

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Yeah. I did like Doom, OK, but like,
yeah, I don't know how I feel but.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Dune movies.
I bought the the two disc collection.
You bought the popcorn bucket. No, no, no.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Right.
You could have sold that on eBaylike you would have made
buckets. Yeah, I know.
That's dude, when you said that in the group chat, I was like, I

(31:09):
fucked up. Yep.
But yeah, I love the Dune movies, I think, I think.
Dune got my boy Timothy Sean Le Mayo.
Exactly. Yeah, I think Dune is the sci-fi
movies that people should be talking about.
Yes, fuck Star Wars. Yes, let's talk about Dune.

(31:31):
We should. Yeah.
That's why you should focus on making Dune it on James Bond,
because I feel like if it actually, I shouldn't say that
because maybe he could do his own original twist.
But what I originally was gonna say that I didn't want him to
like be boxed in like his createhis creative and like his
creative process to be boxed in in like a spy heist thriller
type of movie. But maybe he'll be able to like,

(31:53):
do something different in it. I agree.
I think we have similar concerns, just in different.
But you want to like, continue pursuing like, like other films
and works besides like Dune and James Bond, which is fair.
Yeah, I'm just making sure that I got his filmography mostly

(32:14):
covered because I feel like if you were going to see anything,
it was probably going to be a rival Prisoners or Blade Runner
2049. See, I have plans to watch Blade
Runner 2049 but first I got to watch the original one first
the. Yeah, in the 80s or 70s.
So that is pretty much his entire filmography because he he
has done a couple movies in foreign languages.

(32:37):
But I'm sorry guys, I haven't watched them.
Those are my favorite films. Interesting, but or no, but I'm
I'm hoping it's going to go wellwith the James Bond movies.
I don't really watch them. I don't think I've I have I
think I've seen like a couple ofthem with what's his name, Craig
Craig. Yeah, Daniel Craig.

(32:58):
Cool. OK.
Like the ones I'm most familiar with, even though I know like
there was a the James Bond before him I think is the more
iconic role or the who's the actor that was before James
Daniel Craig. Sean Connery.
I think he's the one that made like that, that James Bond
character, like, yeah, he made him, like iconic.
James Bond is one of those characters where he's kind of

(33:20):
like Bruce Wayne, where people will argue, oh, who's the best?
Who's the best? James Bond?
Because people in our generationtend to say Daniel Craig because
that's what we grew up with. But if you talk to like, say,
some Gen. Xers, they're gonna say it's
Sean Connery, right? And then the people who like the
the goofy James Bond. Like the originals or whatever.

(33:40):
Yeah, they'll they'll say it's Pierce Brosnan.
Damn, when was he? Because Connery was like in the
70s. They're like, yeah.
So when was he? Like how old is James Bond?
Like, the character's been around for a while.
Damn. It's, but here's.
Is here is is he our American Zatoichi?
So here's my, I don't, I don't know if concern is the right

(34:03):
word, but maybe sort of a, a contingent that I have about
another one about Villeneuve doing James Bond is we did just
go through the Daniel Craig James Bond films and that was a,
a more serious sort of approach to the franchise.
And I'm not saying I want a silly James Bond because James

(34:28):
Bond, I mean, it's, it's a spy franchise.
If I want to watch spy movies, I'll just rewatch Mission
Impossible. But right.
I, I feel like Denny Villeneuve,knowing what kind of film maker
he is and being very familiar with his work.
I know, I mean, just look at Dune.
He's going to come at it from a very serious and grounded
perspective. That's how he's going to

(34:49):
approach James Bond. So I think just tone wise, it's
going to be very similar to the Daniel Craig movies.
And I just, I don't know, like Villeneuve is a great director.
Don't get me wrong. I, I think probably, probably
top three right now, honestly inHollywood, but I just think it's

(35:12):
his sensibilities liking things to be gritty and and serious.
It's just going to be very similar to what we just had with
the Daniel Craig James Bond movies.
And I don't, I don't know. And I'm not saying he's
incapable of distinguishing himself from those Daniel Craig,

(35:33):
James Bond films, but it's it's a weird choice.
Right. Is there going to be a new James
Bond or is it still Daniel? No, they're recasting.
OK, well, I think it'll probablydepend like who's the lead actor
and how they do it. But I I, I see your concerns.
Yeah, very interesting. Like in Hollywood, who they

(35:53):
choose or I don't know, maybe heapproached them or the studio
approach to the him like, hey, we, we want you.
Amazon approach Amazon OK because they own James Bond now.
Really. Because they own MGM or
something? Yeah, yeah, Damn.
Amazon is like the next Facebookin terms of like they're owning
everything down. Interesting stuff.

(36:16):
Very well, I don't know about the last one, but the first two
like Michael Bay and like well, he's like going up the last one
and Matt Reeves with the script like that, like I don't know,
maybe if we if they're like the only three topics like we
mentioned that came out today. I think that the first two were
more exciting. No, I agree.
I, I mean, like I said, I love Denny Villeneuve.

(36:38):
I'm pretty sure I have more thana couple Tik Toks singing his
praises. But yeah, it's just James Bond.
It's never been a franchise thatI'm in love with.
Like I'll watch him. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather
watch James Bond than Star Wars.I'm taking a lot of shots at
Star Wars today. But you know what I'm saying?

(37:01):
And I don't think I, I don't watch James Bond like that, but
if I were to be like, yo, which movie should we watch right now,
I would choose James Bond over Star Wars.
Yeah. Like if I want to watch an epic
space odyssey, I'll just watch Orvo or something.
That's not where I thought that was.
Going but fair enough comedic classic, right?

(37:27):
So yeah, I agree. I think the first two stories we
had were probably a little more exciting.
But yeah, James Bond is just thethe genre is so familiar and
this isn't an American versus UKthing.
I just think we have a better version of James Bond in Ethan

(37:47):
Hunt and Mission Impossible. So that's that's also probably
why I'm not as moved by the news.
Yeah. And it could just be like,
because are these James Bond's movies?
Are they like American produced or they're produced by the UK?
Like is it their studio over there producing them or is it
like an American movie? It's an American movie.

(38:09):
OK. Probably like a joint.
They are they are Co productionsbut they the primary sort.
Of American director. Financiers and distribution
avenues are all US based, OK, Especially with Amazon now
obviously they're gonna want to really focus on on the American

(38:33):
audience. Right.
Interesting, because I looked itup right now.
I was like, oh, James Bond is like, it's a British character,
so like based on a British book.So I was like, oh, it's probably
made by the Brits. No, I guess we took that too.
Yeah, it's it is a Co Co. Production.
Damn. Just like you're sure where the
Patriots are taking their shit from.

(38:53):
New England. Damn.
OK, but the audience is unaware Dylan is wearing a New England
Patriots shirt right in front ofme after OKC just won the ship.
Go Casey. Go Dubs.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I thoughtyou were Warriors fan.
No, I was, but we lost, so I just want the West Coast to win.
Tragic what happened to the Pacers last game, but we're not.

(39:16):
We're not here to talk about that danger.
Yeah, it sucks for how they burn.
Hope he recovers. I I feel the guy regarding the
Achilles injury. Bro, like he's he's gonna make
at least a year of recovery. Yep yeah, at least your thing
was like, at least it's gonna belike doctor was like yeah he was
like, hey, arrested for a month.He told you he's arrested for a
month and you're like already getting ready to go on a
depression spiral. Yeah, my boy, how they burn I'm.

(39:39):
Like 95% there. He's like, hey, yo, I'm gonna
be, I'm be out benched for like the whole year recovery.
Man, now that sucks. When you put it that way, I
really feel for the guy. Yeah, no, it does.
It does. I mean, he's young, so he'll
he'll recover like in a year, but still like it.
It sucks for the guy. Yeah.
What parallels can you draw between sports and movies?

(40:02):
Well, I think one thing I learned is.
And when I say one thing I learned, I mean 10 to 20 minutes
before we got here to record this.
I like racing movies because. Running or horse racing?
Like what cars? Which is weird.
Interesting. Because I think watching car

(40:24):
racing is one of the most boringthings you can do.
Right. I mean like NASCAR.
It's like watching golf. Yeah, I like, you're just
watching guys make left turns. Like I'm not.
I don't. I don't give a shit about that.
Bro, like I have someone who like she's really into like F1
racing and all that. I don't get it but like she's
really into it. Really.
Yeah, like. Into the fact like they know

(40:45):
drivers like they have for theirwho's their favorite driver like
this and that I'm like, all right, like I'm a basketball
fan. I don't, I don't get into car
racing and all that but it lookscool but the car still cool.
The only F1 driver I know is MaxVerstappen.
I don't know if it's Verstappen if that's the right way to
pronounce it, but that's how I'msaying it.

(41:06):
The only car I know is like Lightning McQueen cut chow.
Fun fun anecdote. Owen Wilson was just on Hot
Ones, really. Yeah, I gotta watch that.
Yeah. I love Owen Wilson.
I love Hot Ones and I I thought it was a good episode.
Yeah, yeah, You know, I like where Hot Ones has gone, like

(41:28):
from where it started as a YouTube original series.
It's I think it's still on YouTube, but I think the dude
got like a TV show and like he'sgot like a lot of like big time
guests on there. They're like on HBO Max.
Yeah, like, like shout out to that dude like he he is killing
it out there. I've always wanted to like buy
like when I like like just like a bunch of like their whatever
sauces they have and do the challenge myself like yo get.

(41:50):
Your own episode yo buy the sauces.
Bro, I'd be down, I'd be down. Yo, I'd be down.
Yeah, me too. That'd be fine.
Right. But what I like about Hot Ones
is I don't think there's a better Ave. for humanizing
celebrities like everybody's best interview is on Hot Ones.

(42:12):
Right. So like, yeah, like, you know, I
would say watch the Owen Wilson one like it's.
Funny. It's harder.
It's harder like. Everybody laughs like you can
hear the crew. Cracking up?
All the time, right? Yeah, it's a good episode, but.
Nice. I'm not I'm not have to watch
that for sure. Like it's it's funny, like you
can't you can't really give APR answer when like you're sweating

(42:34):
bullets from the face and you'reeating these spicy wings.
So you got you got you know, your brain is on fire.
So you're going to be more honest and then reach over to
drink your milk. Here's the Dylan special, guys.
It's like running it. Breaks down the defenses.
That's why running is is that's why I say it's not a physical
journey. It's it's a spiritual 1 like.

(42:56):
If you want if. You want to form long lasting
bonds, run with somebody like even if you never see that
person again, if you run with someone during a race, that
person is seeing you when you'retired, when you're stressed,
when you're in pain, when you think, I can't do this, I just
want to quit. And there's something about

(43:18):
having that experience with someone where it's just like you
don't really need to explore it in depth, but the two of you
just know because you're going through it together.
Hey, I see you, you know, and I'm here with you.
Same thing with hot ones. Like Sean doesn't show it
because he does it so many times, right?
But. He's definitely built up like

(43:38):
Talensburg, but in the beginning, you watched that
earlier clips. Yeah, he will struggle too.
Yeah, yeah, he's sweating like. Yeah, good for him.
It's the same thing. Like you break down the defenses
and then you're both in that situation and I think it just
allows people to be more vulnerable.
Yeah. So.
Yeah, no, I like his interviews.Yeah, those, those are like

(44:00):
always candid. And I the questions he asked,
like they're, they're yeah, they're good questions.
Yeah, that would be like somebody asking me like, so when
you sat down to write hope for more and I'd be like.
What, Like how did you know? Yeah, first, like watching like,
a Nard Warrior interview, Like, how did you find this out?

(44:20):
Like that that that's a deep cut.
Yeah. You did your research in
preparation for this interview. Exactly.
That's why I'm going to do it for the Patreon episode.
Yeah, I'm going to do my research.
I'm going to look you up. You you have good good insight
though, because you do know all those the the early music I
made, whereas most people don't.They just know my critically

(44:41):
acclaimed In You. Math like all the deep kind.
Of questions, so racing, right? Yeah, yeah.
So you like cars? You like this?
Really. Is a shit episode, but that's
fine. I think people like these kind
of formats. There's a.

(45:02):
Format. I thought we were just.
Shooting. No, not formats, but like genre,
right? Yeah.
I see what you mean. People like that style though,
right Yeah. So I think it's fine.
But anyways, racing, I learned Ilike racing movies because
despite I had to do it in the spirit of competition, I do like

(45:23):
cars. And, and as I mentioned in that
episode, I have been going through this weird period where
I'm just thinking, I think cars is a lot better than I initially
thought, right? But I like cars.
I loved Ford versus Ferrari. Have you watched that?
No, I think, I think the only, not the only, but the the racing

(45:45):
movie that comes to mind that I saw recently was the one where
it's based off a game like that one.
I saw that one and Ford versus Ferrari.
I haven't seen that one. I remember I wanted to see it in
theaters back when it came out, but I never did.
Ford versus Ferrari is a great movie.
It's also Brad payers that no. That's a Christian Bale.

(46:07):
Bale, Damon, that that's what I'm thinking.
About it's a great, great cast, great movie.
It's just like it's it's classicdad movie, but it's it's great.
It was one of my favorite moviesof 2019.
I was really surprised by how good it was.
So I like Ford versus Ferrari. I did watch Gran Turismo, and

(46:31):
honestly, for being based on a game that has no real plot, I
thought it was pretty. I thought it was fine.
What wasn't it, like, based on atrue story?
Like, supposedly like, but basedon a true story.
You know what? I can get behind it.
Yeah, bro, I had a friend who when I was watching, I told him
like, hey, yo, it's based on a true story.
Like, what kind of dumbass is gonna take, like, hire a guy who

(46:52):
like to drive? Who really hire a guy to drive
like, you know, in a real race based on like, you know, a video
game, like how good he does. But no, I I looked them up like
the driver's a real driver. Like it's a real story.
Yeah. I don't think he ever like went
off to achieve like, you know, great fame or whatever, but like
he he was like, I don't know if he still is a racer, but like

(47:13):
he. It's a Hollywood story.
Though, Yeah. No.
And the Hollywood story, it hit,yeah.
It's very inspirational. Made you think, like Dan, I
could beat somebody, Yeah. Made you feel like you could
save the world. Yeah.
I I thought Gran Turismo was wasfine.
I didn't. I certainly didn't hate it.
And then this, this is kind of ajoke, but this is this.

(47:36):
This is a childhood deep cut foryou, for the Patreon episode, in
case you remember it. Racing movies.
Kirby Fully Loaded. Bro, that's an old one I
remember. Yeah, see, I remember.
I did watch that one. See, as kids, me and my sister.
Loved it. Uh huh, That was a thing for me

(47:56):
and like my, my siblings, that was like our road trip, one of
our road trip movies like oh, we're gonna road trip.
I think we had it on VCR DVD like, oh, just put it on like
the, the like the van, like the like the little thing.
Old school, the old school like back in the day when like vans
had like little TV's and like you.
Would pull. Down.
Yeah, I didn't have like. Would it be in the back of the
headrest? Bra's too fancy, but yeah.

(48:19):
And then like, you know, with the VCR, like in the console in
the middle, like that was peak millennial nostalgia nowadays.
What a time. Yeah, now they just play
everything in the tablet. Yeah, or even worse, their
phones. If you watch a movie on a phone.
Sometimes you have no choice. Sometimes you have no choice.
Sometimes you're just waiting atan airport and like your iPad

(48:40):
already dies, so you're just stuck on your phone watching a
movie. You know what?
You got me there, Yeah. But I watch a lot of movies when
I go, like when I go flying anywhere.
Like I download a bunch of movies or like save them like
locally. And then I just watch them like
on the plane or like, why am I wearing the airport?
Or sometimes when I'm just waiting in the hotel, like, all

(49:00):
right, I'm done. I'm just gonna watch the movie I
already have here. We'll.
See, when I fly, I'm too busy shoving Ativan down my throat so
I don't have time to watch movies.
Damn. I got all the time in the world.
It doesn't even put me to sleep.I take 2 and it barely like
calms me down enough to get through the.
Flight. Damn it didn't have you out like

(49:22):
a lamp like Drake. No, it didn't.
It didn't put me to sleep, but Isurvive.
Nice. I call it my airplane candy.
But Herbie fully loaded, like you said, Road trip movie for me
and my sister, just like you said, Millennial.
Yep. And then F1 came out today,

(49:45):
which I really want to see. Bro let's watch after the pod.
Let's do it all right. But yeah, I, I learned I like
racing movies, right? And.
Like what about racing movies specifically?
Because you named like you went from cars, Gran Turismo, Ford
versus Ferrari and then Herbie fully loaded all like, yes, I

(50:07):
guess they're all quote UN quotelike racing movies, but they're
all kind of like different from each other.
So what about racing movies? Did you realize like, you know
what? I do like watching this.
So here's what I would say. I think racing movies, even with
cars, they are the sort of closest thing that I think you

(50:34):
can watch that sort of give you that experience or just the sort
of emotional understanding of what it's like.
For me, it's always going to be running, but for someone else,
it could be something else. It could be cycling, it could be
it could be whatever sport you participate in.
But I think racing movies at their heart, they are about like

(50:59):
trying to push past your limits and, and see what you're capable
of and, and it's about obviouslythe good ones anyway about who
you become along the way. And I think that's very
analogous to running. Like that's, that's the beauty
of it to me is it's, it's not about the times.

(51:21):
I mean, don't, of course it's great to to PR and and win a
race, but it's that's not what matters.
I God, I forget the name of thisbook, but there's a quote in
there that says the only Zen that you are going to find at
the top of a mountain is the Zenthat you bring with you because

(51:44):
you find it on the sides, not atthe summit.
And I think racing movies, greatway to to visualize that.
Right. Fair enough.
What are what can like, You know, we watch How to Turn Your
Dragon, the remake 28 years later, Elio.

(52:05):
No way. Yeah, I think that I think that
that's the one that they came out.
Dude, Elio. Bombed.
Hard damn. Really. 21 million opening.
Weekend will the budget 300 million.
Oh shit, yeah. They completely overhauled the
script at one point and they hadto push it back.
And just that that production change caused the balloon,

(52:28):
caused the budget to balloon. Damn.
So it got away from them. That's crazy.
What was it? That was a Pixar movie, right?
Yeah. Which we somehow have the best
coincidental timing with these episodes.
We took a long time to do Sinners, but we released the
episode the week it came out on VOD and it's now the third most

(52:48):
listened to episode, at least onaudio platforms.
Really. Yes, interesting.
We took a long time to do Brave New World, but again, hit the
streaming day. Pixar, we just did it because
that was what we decided. And then Elio comes out.
Damn Elio, yeah that's crazy cuzI was Michael Bay and now

(53:09):
Michael Bay. Talks to direct a new
Transformers movie. What a what a wild week.
It's only been a week. It is.
It's only been. It's only.
Yeah, it's only been seven days since we last talked.
Damn. Damn.
Where do you find out this news?You just wake up and go on
Twitter and like, shit, Michael Bay's coming back.

(53:31):
Yeah. Matt Reeve submitted the script.
That's Dennis Villeneuve is gonna take over James Bond.
That's the problem with Twitter is that's where I get my news
and Twitter. Well, it depends on the
journalist, like if if you're following like the journalist,
like a good like reporter or whatever, like the general

(53:52):
actual journalist. Yeah.
Like, yeah. Like for basketball stats and
like basketball news and shit like that.
Like there are insiders and like, you know, like, Oh yeah,
whatever he says. Like he heard it.
Like it's solid. Oh dude, there is no better
place to follow live sports. Than Twitter, than Twitter,
yeah, amazing. Yeah.
So I imagine like the cinephile Twitter side of things, like

(54:13):
they're they're they're probablylike well connected.
You're well connected, I just found out through you.
Yes, yes, I well, this is what Iwas going to say is Twitter was
how I found out the news, but I quit Twitter, I think in 2021.
And I just did that because I decided that it wasn't good for

(54:35):
my mental health, Right? That's a throwback to episode
11. Damn.
I quit Twitter cuz Elon Musk took it over.
See, I quit before he took and. He tried to rename it to a porn
website, x.com. It's like, so notice how I said,
hey wait, do you get your news from X?
Like, no, it's Twitter. It's still Twitter.

(54:56):
Exactly. It's always gonna be Twitter.
It's like. You, I don't want to make this
like an Elon Musk. Yeah, like it's still Twitter to
me. Yeah.
You rebrand, rebranded all you want.
Give, give, update Twitter with the new logo.
I don't care. I'm still calling you Twitter.
No, I agree with you. But, and I'm not trying to
derail this either, but Twitter was my favorite social media

(55:19):
site. Same when they talk about social
media addiction. I'm like, you know, I could
probably survive without Instagram.
Like, yeah, I use it especially to shamelessly peddle this show.
But. I could probably do without it.
I have been locked out of my Snapchat account for like 3
years. What's the other social media

(55:42):
website that is eluding me rightnow?
Was it the top of like Twitter, Instagram, TikTok?
Well is that I mean I guess it is social media, but I put
TikTok in the same like sphere as like YouTube.
Cuz I guess you could consider YouTube and TikTok, both social
media platforms. I don't consider YouTube social.
Media, I think if you're engaged, like if you're in the

(56:04):
YouTube quote on quote YouTube community, then it's like, all
right, it's a social media website at that point cuz you
can share a community post, yeah, you can comment and shit
and it's like, all right, exactly where can they find
this? Post They can find this post and
the video at youtube.com. Forward slash at Nightfall Films

(56:25):
and. What else can they find on that
platform? They can also find full length
episodes of this very podcast. Boom, There you go folks.
Check it out there, There you go.
Give us a like. Exactly.
I'd appreciate it how. To subscribe.
Oh, even better. Yes, we're almost at 100
actually. Almost at 100.
Yeah, that's the hardest. That's the hardest barrier.
Yep. So like 100 YouTube subscribers

(56:48):
right around the corner, 100 Spotify subscribers a little bit
farther corner, but but the corner is still there.
Yeah, it's a long corner. But yeah, Twitter to me, dude, I
love Twitter. Yeah, that was my favorite.
I think at some point, at its peak, at my peak, I was addicted
to Twitter. Like, no.

(57:08):
So was I like after high school,I think in 2012, 2015.
Oh my God. Dude see for me it was a
different time frame. Like peak film Twitter was
through like 2016 to 2019. Dude no joke.
There were days where I would tweet like upwards of 20 times a
day. That's it bro, like at my peak,

(57:30):
oh man 100 tweets a day bro likeI was addicted to this well.
What happened is as I got towards like the latter half of
my Twitter tenure, so to speak. You probably have better quality
tweets. Yeah, I.
Started to be one of those guys where I was like I wanna be cool
and mysterious so I'm gonna onlytweet.

(57:51):
Cool. I'm serious A.
Certain amount of time, yeah. But I quit Twitter, yeah, in
2021. Because as much as I love
Twitter, it also has the unique ability to make everyone look
like a complete psycho. Yeah.
Even people that you know in real life, they would post
things on Twitter that make you just kind of side eye things.

(58:16):
Right, so it's fun because like you would the quietest people in
real life, the shit they will see on Twitter.
Oh my God, it was so fun. Like I remember in high school,
there was this girl I was talking to like, oh, on social
media. She would, she would like.
They would let it fly. Yeah, in real life.
Oh my God, she was so shy. Yeah.

(58:37):
It was like, yo, the contrast, well, it's crazy.
Dude I similar thing except I wasn't talking to this girl.
She was just a classmate of oursbut same thing, very shy, very
meek. And then on Twitter I will never
forget this because fuck. I can't use names but I was
hanging out with a group of people when I saw the tweet on

(58:58):
my phone. But she had basically implied
that that same night that I would read that I was reading
the tweet that she had a quickieand I was like.
What? Like she doesn't say more than
20 words in person and I'm reading this tweet, but exactly
like people on Twitter, they. They had to fly.

(59:22):
Yeah, they had no problem. Yeah.
But so I quit Twitter for that reason, because it just makes
everyone kind of look, it bringsout the worst in you, even
though I think at its peak, Twitter was awesome.
Yeah. So I quit Twitter and then I
kind of lost my news, but then they came back with Blue Sky and

(59:45):
I'm going to be honest, it kind of sucks.
I want to get into Blue Sky. I haven't made an account yet,
but I kind of do want to get into it because I kind of do
miss having like a social media platform where I just like, just
rattle shit off. Yeah, exactly.
Like Instagram, you can't reallydo that.
And see exactly like I do do that on blue sky, but not at the
same frequency as I did on Twitter.

(01:00:09):
But the point is like it's open it, it's sort of deregulated,
but it's very similar to. Twitter.
Wasn't that the same guy that made Twitter like he went on to
do this, Jack? Yeah, yeah.
So the point is. Is there a film?
Is there a film culture there onBlue?
Sky, yes. You know, hey, that's pretty
fly. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

(01:00:30):
Like, like, see, this is the toptweet on my timeline letterbox,
which is that app that lets you track movies.
So the point is, now that I haveBlue Sky, I sort of have my news
back, even though I don't personally like, I don't even
know what you would call it, like posting on blue sky,
because it's not tweeting. You're skyying.
You're skyying. Actually.

(01:00:50):
You're shooting A star. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Shooting A star. Yeah.
Honestly, you're a falling star.Exactly.
So what's Shyla, Buffy? My God man so sandwich wiki even
though I don't post on blue sky it gives me the news back so.

(01:01:11):
You know what, I think I should make a blue sky.
Yeah, so I was scrolling throughBlue Sky.
I saw the Michael Bay stuff. I was like, dude, today is a
good day. Because I knew the video was
releasing it. And then I saw the Matt Reeves
news in the Batman 2 script and I was like, you know what?
Today's actually pretty solid, right?

(01:01:34):
That's. That's pretty cool, actually.
Yeah. And on a Friday, too, Like, look
at that. Look at look at the news that's
coming out, like on a Friday. What a great way to end your
week. Like if, if you had a hard,
hard, hard work week coming, coming down and like hearing
this news, man, it should just inspire you to just like want to

(01:01:57):
come in and talk to your friends.
Yeah, exactly. We all have hard weeks, and you
never know when things are goingto come together.
Yes. I mean, I I made the
Transformers video as a companion piece to last week's
episode. And then this news comes out.
That's just that's just fate. Yeah.
Well, you know that is. Just that's just the film God

(01:02:19):
smiling down upon this podcast, because we're down here below
the line, the nobodies of Hollywood, even even the film
gods give us the. Nobodies wanted us to have a
chance. Yeah.
So you never know when things are going to align.
And exactly. You're right, it's Friday.
Good way to end the week. It should really move everyone

(01:02:40):
to just come down and talk film with their buddies.
Yep, should go watch a movie on Friday night.
I wish we could, but the movie Iwant to.
Watch trying to double check. Movie I wanted to watch, I was
down to watch. It's not showing our local movie
theater. Yeah, I was going to say because
it obviously start at 9, like, yeah, that's no big deal.
Yeah, the point is I got my new source back, so that's how I get

(01:03:04):
it. I get it through blue Sky,
right, Which it's not it's not hitting that Twitter peak, but
it's. The it'll get, it'll get there
eventually. I think it's starting.
It's a new platform. Yeah, pretty much so.
Most have been looking into likeI think getting a letterbox
account or whatever yes, becauseI, I see a recommended on Reddit

(01:03:26):
and then when I I clicked on onetime and like you can leave like
your opinions on movies and shitlike that, like your reviews and
I'm like, you know what that'd be great to have like, you know,
as just a cinephile as a fake cinephile as a.
Host. Of as the fake cinephile that I
am, yes, I should have my own letterbox so I can like tell
people and like really show themlike.
Yeah, like feel the other. Day that's that's what yeah,

(01:03:47):
right now for the audience, Dylan just handed me his phone
like show me his letterbox account like yeah, you can leave
a review and like for someone like me who has been known to be
opinionated, I like getting my shit off so I think I'm probably
going to make like 2 new social media accounts tonight like a
letterbox and a blue sky. Go ahead and give me a follow.
Yep. I have to, I need someone like

(01:04:10):
verify me like hey, I'm a real person.
Guys. The hardest thing when you start
your new account on any social media platform is like gain the
first bottle. Like hey, I'm a real person.
That's I'm not a bot. That's what struggle or that's
that's the struggle I'm having with Blue Sky actually is I'm
having trouble getting followers.
Like I know I'm not gonna have like 1000, but I'm having an.

(01:04:33):
But you can I'm. Having I can, you can.
I'm having trouble just getting it off the ground to where I
have enough to where people are actually reading my stuff.
Right. Because exactly what you said,
you kind of have to prove you'rea real person.
Yeah. I just need to look up, but I've
done this before cuz all right, I guess story time, story time

(01:04:53):
for the audience. This is like, we're not even
talking about movies right now, but just story time.
The separating during COVID. So 2020, because I had got it, I
had left Twitter where I deletedmy original account.
Like 28/17/18. I do this thing where I jump on
social media and eventually I get like tired of it and I
delete my account and I move on.I jump on to the next thing.

(01:05:15):
The only thing I haven't been able to do that with is Myspace
because I forgot my password andthen when I try to reset reset
my e-mail, it's an e-mail from Yahoo and.
From like 2000. Yeah, and Yahoo doesn't
recognize that e-mail anymore. So it's like, alright, I guess I
can't delete my Myspace. But everything else like
Facebook deleted my original Twitter, deleted Instagram, I

(01:05:38):
deleted it. Then I then I came back and it's
still there, but I don't post. But anyway, so Twitter I, I got
back on Twitter during COVID, during the whole NFT hype.
OK, I was really like Larson. NFT.
Yeah, like, no, I, I was smart though, because I, I, I already
knew about crypto. But yeah, like if we talk about

(01:05:59):
like film Twitter, Oh my God, crypto Bros like crypto Twitter
is its own like. Literally I've never been on
crypto Twitter. Yeah, but so our.
Finance. Twitter in general.
So I mentioned this to say like,all right, so when I was joining
that community, how I was able to like grow my account was
like, all right, first I need tolike follow people who are in

(01:06:21):
this community and like just start engaging with them, have
them like them. Like see, I'm a real person.
If they like me, they'll follow me back.
And usually through them if theyhave like 4000 followers, I'm
going to become like one of those like, hey, you follow that
person. This person is recommended to
you, IE me, and that's how I wasable to like grow an account.
So I grew like a little crypto Twitter account and then like I

(01:06:44):
think 2021 I was kind of over NFTS yeah, I was like, I'm kinda
I'm kinda done with these. So I just I stopped using that
account. But that, that, that's all I was
gonna say. Like, yo, when I make my blue
sky account, I'm, I'm probably just gonna like focus on film
and like, all right, I'll just join.
Films, yeah, cuz we gotta, we gotta promote the pod.
Yeah, that's what I'm. Saying Cass could just.

(01:07:05):
He could make a TikTok account at Nobody cast nobody, nobody's.
Good bro, that's a brilliant name, thank you.
Nobody cast. And yeah, his bio could just be
the Co host of Below the Line podcast.
That's it. It just add me at nobody cast.
No bro, nobody cast me Oh that would bro trouble entendre.

(01:07:25):
Oh my God yo, nobody cast. Me in the.
Film. Ah, man.
See, these are all the great deals we have.
But Cast isn't down. He's got a cool name he won't
even use it for. He won't even use his powers for
good. Yeah, you know how I know I'm
safe? Is we're at least an hour into
the pod. I know he won't listen this far.

(01:07:45):
Nah, I'm honestly really surprised he listened to the one
episode where he used one of his20 pseudonyms.
Yep. But anyways, all right, I know
about blue sky. Yeah, let's get, let's get back
on like the real conversation that we're trying to have, which
is none because we're just shooting this shit.
But you recently texted us your New York Times Top 100 films.

(01:08:10):
Yes. You submitted something.
It was a screenshot, right? Because I tried to click on it
and it wasn't a link. So I was gonna ask you, like
what? I could send you the link to the
actual. Valve Yeah.
Because I was like, you know what?
Because at first when I first saw it, I thought this was like
the New York Times, like this iswhat their list was.
No, that and then later I yeah, no, then you clarified in your
message like this is like your list because then when I did it

(01:08:33):
again, I was like, I saw the Batman in there.
I was like. There's no way.
I know I was gonna be like, yo, Dylan, like they put, they put a
superhero movie finally as one of the top 100 movies of all.
Oh wait, no, that's your list. Yes.
So the New York Times is trying to compile a list of the 100
best films of the 21st century. And the only sort of qualifier

(01:08:59):
you need to be included on this list is the movie has to be
released from the year 2000 onward.
It cannot be released, obviously, in 1999 or prior to
that. So 2000 onward.
And they are letting you vote bycasting your own ballot, by
selecting your personal top ten films of the 21st century.

(01:09:24):
And I, I did my best. I I don't, I'm not completely
happy with mine, but I did what felt right in the moment.
Right. Yeah.
It's having it's having me make an account.
Yeah, you got to make a free account just to do it.
It's kind of a it's not ideal, but as long as they didn't ask

(01:09:47):
me to subscribe to the actual online paper, we're fine, right?
Did. You send me the the link to
yours or just the the thing in general?
So only after the 2000s. I like I did not send you the
right one. I'm the right one now.
OK, OK. So yes, 2000 onward.

(01:10:10):
I like that's a good restrictionbecause otherwise like I think.
It'd be impossible. Everyone like the Godfather
would have been there, like Godfather Part 2 would have been
on there. Godfather part three would not
have been on there. But I can see like that, that
that's a great. Restriction.
You'd have some movies like 2001, A Space Odyssey, obviously
Citizen Kane, maybe something like Gone with the Wind or

(01:10:35):
Casablanca. It just kind of depends on
obviously the voters. But the cool thing is you all 32
of you have a say, you just makea free New York Times account.
Right. That's how they get you.
So how difficult was it for you to construct this list?

(01:10:55):
Cuz I, I was gonna say, I think for me, I will struggle to even
get to 100 movies. I think for you, you would
struggle to like narrow it down to 100 movies.
I would. Yeah, or you did.
This was so they're only lettingthe fans do a top ten.
That was basically impossible because there are so many good

(01:11:17):
movies that have come out from 2000 to the present.
Yeah, for as much as people complain about modern Hollywood
and the MCU and no original productions.
Movies exist outside. Of that exactly.
There are still so many good movies out there.
Indie or not, like there's stilla lot of like independent films

(01:11:38):
and also just like foreign films.
Like exactly. I'd put Parasite up there and
that's 2019. Yeah, see, I've seen some people
who where that was on their ballot and see, so for me, the,
the, the sort of oldest movies, quote UN quote, that I have on
my ballot are Mulholland Drive by David Lynch and the Lord of

(01:12:03):
the Rings Fellowship of the Ring.
I don't think I need to get intomy love of Fellowship of the
Ring or the Lord of the Rings trilogy in general.
But see, that was hard for me, just that selection alone,
because I'm trying to decide which one should I pick.
Right. It'll be like indicative or
representative of like that timelike in early 2000.

(01:12:26):
Years. Because Fellowship of the Ring
is it's the one that started it all.
It's lightning in a bottle. I honestly don't know if we'll
ever see a movie like that again.
But at the same time, when I watched the movie, sometimes I
think The Two Towers is my favorite because strictly
because of the Battle of Helm's Deep and Aragorn's character

(01:12:50):
development that we see in that movie.
But then obviously returning theking, it just has all the
emotional payoff it's it has. It's a phenomenal trilogy.
It is so that that pic alone wasbasically impossible for.
Me, I still think I would say Fellowship is my favorite.
Like I love all of them, but Fellowship is the one where when

(01:13:12):
I was a little kid. Wow.
Factor is the highest. That and I just me, when I
remember watching as a kid, I fell asleep to the other two
movies. I never fell, I never fell
asleep to Fellowship because I think there's something that I
enjoy about it, like it's. It's what's the most whimsy
because things aren't dire. Yeah.
And I was going to say like it, it has elements that that you

(01:13:34):
liked about sinners where like the first half of the movie is
like the come get together and then the plot moves forward.
Yeah. And the Fellowship of the Ring,
it's like that. Like it's the gathering of like
everybody. And it's not until like you're
like an hour or two hours. Yeah.
And that's when it's like, all right, we have form the
Fellowship of the Ring and like those characters starts.

(01:13:55):
Yup. Like that's what the plot starts
and everything. But I I also specifically for
that reason, I think that's why the fellowship is my favorite.
Same with The Hobbit. Like the first hour and a half
is just like preparing like for the journey, then I'm off to an
adventure. So I, I, but I, yeah, no, but
for many of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, like to pick one

(01:14:15):
movie. Good choice on it on this list.
Yeah, then the other movie I have from 2001 is Mulholland Dr.
my favorite David Lynch movie. I don't know if you've seen any
David Lynch films. Probably like the that name
sounds familiar. I don't know if I've seen his
films or at least heard about the movies he's directed.

(01:14:36):
Yeah, I'm sure you have. He he passed this January.
Oh damn, so RIP. Yes, RIP to David Lynch.
The man, the myth, the. Legend David Lynch.
He's kind of my go to director for a guy who might not be on
everyone's wavelength, so to speak, because I think he is

(01:14:57):
very much an acquired taste. But at the same time, even if
you don't like the movie, I think he's a filmmaker where you
respect his work even if it doesn't click with you.
Because the first David Lynch movie I ever saw was Blue
Velvet, and that's a very violent movie.

(01:15:18):
It also has a lot of sexual themes in it.
And I watched it when I was pretty young.
So the first time I saw Blue Velvet, my reaction was more or
less OK. I did not get that at all right.
I grew up and I watched things like Twin Peaks.

(01:15:41):
And he did the original Dune. Yeah, 1984 and built up in 1986,
yes. Oh.
Wow, these are oldies and Twin Peaks Fire walk with me, right?
And I kind of started to see thevision, but I, I wasn't fully on
board. And then I watched Mulholland
Dr. I think I was maybe 15 or 16and that was obviously I was, I

(01:16:04):
think I was just the right age to watch that movie because
Mulholland Dr. is like a neo noir crime drama, but it has
like the David Lynch surrealism,the the sort of like dark
Americana aspects to it. And, and I just, I feel like I
finally got him and I was like, oh, OK.

(01:16:27):
So then I I went back and revisited some of Lynch's films
and you know what? To be honest, all of his movies
still don't don't work for me, right?
I'm not crazy about his first movie, honestly.
But you know that that doesn't mean that I don't admire the

(01:16:50):
ambition, right? So OK, I picked Mulholland
Drive. As another like early 2000s
movie. Yes.
And then the I have two movies from 2007, which I think is
interesting. Yeah, right.
There will be Blood, which I I feel like a lot of people have

(01:17:11):
seen, even if they're not hardcore cinephiles.
Excellent, excellent drama film made the career of Paul Dano.
Really. It is my favorite performance
from Daniel Day Lewis. As great of an actor as he is, I
think I think this was just phenomenal in terms of his

(01:17:34):
performance. And then I have No Country for
Old Men. The in my opinion, the Best
Western I've ever seen. You ever seen Magnificent 7?
The original yes No, which is like a RIP off of Seven Samurai.
I've seen Seven Samurai, obviously.
Which is uncredited. Yes, but I haven't seen the

(01:17:55):
original Magnificent 7. It's I can see why people
consider that one a classic too.OK, that's good to know.
I haven't. Seen the?
I haven't seen like the rebootedMagnificent 7 but the original
one. That one was pretty good.
OK, maybe I'll I'll. Have I'll have to check out No
Country for Old men cuz right now I'm in my samurai binge
phase. Yes, but at some point like I'm

(01:18:16):
gonna have my western binge phase.
Yeah, like I'm gonna want to go through like my own spaghetti
westerns and like, watch a lot of just the corny cowboy shit.
Dude, no country for old men is,I think, well, Yellowstone.
Should have been. Movie.
Yeah. A tremendous movie, right?
No Country for Old Men, I think is kind of in a weird way, I

(01:18:38):
think it's actually the transition movie of sort of
classic Hollywood into this sortof postmodern era of filmmaking
where we become more cynical about things.
I think No Country for Old Men is actually kind of that
paradigm shift. But it also has one of the best
villain performances of all timefrom Javier Bardem.

(01:19:02):
Truly unforgettable. And then I have The Social
Network. To me, that's a perfect movie.
My my mom cannot stand that movie.
Why? I have no idea.
I don't know if it's. My actors or just the story?
It's. Probably because she does not
like Jesse Eisenberg's portrayalof Mark.

(01:19:24):
Zuckerberg I thought it was veryspot on.
I thought it was very spot on. Like he's like very awkward and
like avoids people and just he'sin his own little.
He's weird and I think that's Zuckerberg like now Zuckerberg
is kind of cool. You know he he's fucking like
learning more Thai yeah he's going to the whole rebranding

(01:19:45):
phase like change yeah like he he's billionaires live on their
own like stratosphere, but he's.They really do.
But I like The Social Network because it was, you know, it was
a portrayal of Zuckerberg before, like the money and the
fame and like all this other shit that he would grow up to be
I. Just think it's it's, it's

(01:20:06):
perfect movie. I mean, it's, it's obviously a.
It's a great like drama, legal drama type of shit.
Exactly. It's just a human drama.
There are no physical stakes. There are no even.
With the way it's told like. Storytelling, yeah, it's just a
really well told story, a well made film.
The specifically the the dialogue writing.

(01:20:28):
I think it's it's obviously Aaron Sorkin's best screenplay.
I love The Social Network. David Fincher is probably my
favorite director, so there's probably some bias there, right?
But I I just think it's it's such a great movie.
And then, Oh my gosh, I don't know how I skipped over this

(01:20:49):
from 2008 Synecdoche, New York. OK, I will just be very upfront
about this. This movie is not for everybody.
I could see a lot of people watching this movie and say that
was too weird for me, that was wack.
Whatever, I love this movie. I think it is the single best

(01:21:13):
sort of story about the process of making art.
OK, I I there are a lot of movies like that in Hollywood,
obviously, but I don't, I have never, never seen seen it done
the way it was done in Synecdoche, New York.
It is infinitely creative. It's, it's a really cerebral

(01:21:36):
film. It's one of those movies where
you really have to sit down and pay attention.
You got to take it in. It's, it's extremely dense, not
just because of the dialogue, but because of the framing.
There will be, I, I, I won't, I'm trying not to get into the
plot here because I, it is such a, it's such a dense movie, but

(01:22:00):
there will be scenes where he isstaging a scene from his play
that is based on his life, but the movie is also focused on the
character's real life reaction to his fictionalized portrayal
of his life. It's just.
There is so. Much going on in the movie and

(01:22:24):
Philip Seymour Hoffman's performance is just
unbelievable. But I I will say if someone
watched the movie and said, Dylan, this sucks, I would say,
well, yeah, I'm not surprised. I don't, I don't think it sucks.
Obviously I put it on my ballot.But I guess what I'm trying to
say is it's not for everybody, right?

(01:22:46):
It's it's, it's an acquired taste.
Damn. Yeah, it's very dense.
And then there's a big jump. I go to La La Land, one of my
favorite movies in recent years.I I fell in love with it the
minute I saw it. It is just such a magical,

(01:23:07):
magical movie. Harkins back to old fifties 60s
musicals in Hollywood. They they just don't make this
kind of musical anymore. Oscar winning performance from
Emma Stone. Really good performance from
Ryan Gosling. Who?
I think this is where Gosling starts to show he might actually

(01:23:28):
be a better comedic actor than adramatic actor, right?
I can't believe you put this one, but you picked this one
over the Bob Dylan one. That's crazy.
See this for the amount of love that you gave Timothy Chalamet.
I do love for a lot of land to for a lot of land to eek out.
Was it the beyond nowhere? No, the the complete unknown.

(01:23:52):
That's interesting. Yeah, interesting choice it is,
right. That just means you're like La
La Land, just that much more slightly, but.
Yes, I love La La Land magical movie.
And then we take another big jump, going to perhaps the most
predictable entry on my ballot. Wait, say the one for last cuz

(01:24:14):
you somewhere you've named 8 movies.
Well say the one for last like let let the audience who I bet
there you know which movie it is.
But let's just leave them in suspense.
All right, so then we go to Everything, Everywhere, all at
once. What year did I come out?
2022. Interesting.
This is. A phenomenal movie that I just

(01:24:34):
saw like 2 weeks ago. An incredible movie.
I can't believe you shit on 824.Like look what they gave I.
Can't even begin to explain. How gorgeous and beautiful this.
Movie is the the amount of philosophical challenges this
movie poses. Yeah, the themes it tackles with

(01:24:58):
depression. The emotional weight.
Mental health, yes, just the thefraying of of relationships
within a family that it's nothing major, but it's just
it's. Generational trauma.
Yes, because you're losing that connection.
It hurts so much. There's just so much going on in

(01:25:19):
this movie and in my favorite scene in that movie is when
they're rocks. It's just subtitles.
It's just subtitles like that isthe perfect encapsulation of the
absurdist philosophy. In the mental health episode you
mentioned, when you're depressed, you're a nihilist.

(01:25:41):
When you're not depressed, you're an absurdist.
I I have become more of an absurdist, not because I would
say I'm a happier person, but I think post psilocybin I am more
absurdist. Yeah.
But. And the rock.
When I saw that, exactly when I saw that rock scene, I thought

(01:26:05):
it was beautiful. I was drowning.
And like, The thing is that if you watch that scene out of
context, you you. As it's stupid.
You yeah, you probably think it's stupid, but watch that.
Watch that scene within the context of the movie.
It's so beautiful, it's such a fucking.
Break like, 'cause everything's so intense, it's a lot of things
happening and once the rock scene happens, like in the

(01:26:27):
middle of the film, it's like, all right, like we can like
relax here and it's even in, in universe.
Like that's the logic. Like the one of the characters
like she comes here cuz like this is where like she's a rock.
Like you don't have to, you don't have to like do anything
yeah. You don't have to think about
your life or how hard, yeah, howhard things are.
You're struggling like no, you're a rock.
Just be a rock. Oh, emotional trauma and get

(01:26:49):
Nope, you're a rock. Rocks don't have emotional
trauma. You just you just are I just I I
thought that that that was beautiful.
And later on, like with that same scene, like the rocks move
like, you know, through sheer willpower and imagination is
just like the absurdity of it all and the emotional weight of
that relationship. Honestly, like I'm glad you

(01:27:11):
recommended me that movie because it is such a beautiful.
Film it is. It is very much like a
psychedelic journey, it really. Burst so.
Intense. And then you reach that moment
of just peace and clarity, whereeverything is just it.
You just feel so safe. Yeah.
And everything is OK. And it's unlike anything you've

(01:27:34):
ever experienced before. It's that what?
Through cinema? Yep.
And it's just, it's such a wonderful scene.
The tears were flowing. Yep, the first time I saw this.
And take notes, Disney. This is how you do
representation without, without being corny, Yeah.
And without like that being likethe their soul.

(01:27:57):
Like like character traits. Exactly like the like the family
in this one. I think they're, are they Korean
or Chinese immigrants? They're Korean.
OK. Like they're Korean immigrants
or. Yeah.
But the mom is a Korean immigrant, but her daughter was
raised here in the US So you have like, that, like, cultural

(01:28:17):
crisis. Like, I try to immigrant story.
Yeah, like the immigrant story, but like done well and done like
subtly because they're not in your face about it.
Only when it's like about like the emotional trauma because
like the mom obviously being Korean, like trying to appease
her, her father, who obviously her dad wanted a son.
He stuck with the daughter. But now the the dad's in old

(01:28:39):
age, so the daughter's the one taking care of him now.
It's all these things that like,it's subtle because like the
like movies, I really telling you is just showing you like,
hey, like how she acts around her father is different.
Like more like like trying to piece him so much so that she
would sacrifice her daughter's happiness in order to appease
her father. And it's like these are like

(01:29:01):
this movie just does a great jobshowing that through like the
film through the dialogue and now like directly telling you
like, hey, look, look at her. She's she's Korean.
She's she's not white. Look.
Exactly. And it's the subtleties of the
domestic family drama at the heart of this movie, because

(01:29:22):
that's really what it is. For all of the multiverse
shenanigans and the hot dog fingers and the rocks and the
everything bagel and the philosophy, Everything
Everywhere All at Once is a family drama.
But see, it's those subtleties that you just named that make
the just the the sort of generalfraying of this relationship so

(01:29:45):
devastating in the movie betweenthe mom and her daughter, right.
That's what makes it so heartbreaking.
And then you have an Oscar winning performance from Ki Hui
Kuan, whose data in The Goonies.It's just, there's so many good
stories in this movie, even on asort of real life level with the

(01:30:07):
actors and everything. It's just you have the comeback
of Jamie Lee Curtis, right? It's just so much, so much to
love about this movie. And I said this as a joke when
Jesse first mentioned he watchedit a couple weeks ago.
But I I'm also kind of not joking.
You're not a real depressed person if you don't like

(01:30:29):
everything. Everywhere all at once, right?
And. OK, beautiful film, all right,
but for your film #10 out of 1010, out of 10 movie.
We're at 9 actually. That was nine, Yeah.
Which one did you miss? The one that.
You're about to watch later. Sometime this weekend, maybe.

(01:30:51):
Yes, you're right. And then I have Top Gun
Maverick. Oh, who could have thunk?
Who could have guessed it? Oh wow, who in the audience is
shocked it's still pick #9? Yes, it's still #9 What's crazy

(01:31:11):
is that was one movie where I had no hiccups about it.
You. Just knew like right away, like,
oh, this is going to go somewhere.
Yeah, like even with a truly great movie like The Social
Network, I was like, do I want to put this on here or do I want
to put Zodiac on here? Because I knew I wanted a David
Fincher movie because he is my favorite director at the moment.

(01:31:32):
But I was like, do I want this or do I want Zodiac?
But immediately I was like, I'm putting Top Gun Maverick on
here. And the reason I, you know, I
went off on it in episode 11, soI'll spare you the spiel.
But what I will say is because this is the 100 best movies of

(01:31:54):
the 21st century. And like you said, you think the
fact that this is from 2000 on is such a great qualifier.
Because of that qualifier, it was a no brainer to me that Top
Gun Maverick had to be on the ballot because Top Gun Maverick
is the last of its kind. In order to find a blockbuster
like that movie, you have to go back to like 2000, 541 to find

(01:32:23):
because they don't make movies like that anymore.
And I don't mean movies about the military industrial complex.
They just you'll know it when you watch it.
So that was a no brainer, surprisingly, that that was
going to be on there. That's interesting.
Yeah, that's how much I I love that movie.

(01:32:44):
Right, like I'm not surprised it's on your list.
I'm I'm just surprised like for you like a no brainer like.
I will say that the two no Brainers, like absolute no
Brainers, Top Gun and SynecdocheNew York.
Yeah, one a big crowd pleaser, the other one that I know a lot
of people would balk at. Right.
So now we're at 10. Because you can't be a set of

(01:33:06):
heart without having a movie that some people are gonna balk
at. Yeah, exactly.
All right, every #10 movie, Sir,what did you pick?
Well, that also came out. What year 2022 And what year did
the topic of Maverick come out? 2022 And what year did
Everything Everywhere All at Once come out?
2022? All right, what year did this

(01:33:27):
top ten movie come out in or thenumber 10 come out in 2022?
And it is, oh fucking course it is The Batman.
Why wouldn't it be The Batman? How can this be a Dylan top
anything list without having TheBatman?
Exactly. That's what I'm.

(01:33:48):
Saying the audience is getting it now.
Why, why did you pick Batman? I I mean, besides the fact that
it's like your favorite film that you watched like 42 billion
times, Why did you why would youconsider this like in the top
100 movies? OK.
What makes it so deserving so? Eventually we're going to do an

(01:34:10):
episode on The Batman, but I'm going to try to condense it.
Uh huh. And also just real quick, I
think it's pretty obvious that Iwas going through a lot in 2022
because I have 3 movies from that year and they're all kind
of very emotional. Top Gun is the only upbeat right

(01:34:31):
one. I think The Batman is deserving
because it is the premiere example that comic book films
can transcend the genre. They're they can be so much more
than just superhero power fantasies.
The Batman is the Batman movie that I have waited for my entire

(01:34:57):
life. Because yes, even though I've
read plenty of Batman comics andwatched Batman the Animated
Series, we're all used to the Bruce Wayne Playboy persona.
But as I grew up, as I started to have my own life experiences,
I started to relate to Batman ina much different way.

(01:35:20):
Yes, as much as I would like to be a guy that has a 210 IQ and
no 127 different martial arts, Idon't.
But the one thing I do absolutely have in common with
Bruce Wayne is, is caring something that you you are just

(01:35:46):
trying so desperately to shake. And sometimes the only way that
you can deal with it is, is, is a way that people might not
understand. Because as I started to get
older, I started to think about what happened to Bruce Wayne.
Watching your parents get murdered at the age of 10, what

(01:36:11):
does that do to a person? Right.
I mean, honestly, like I know obviously a lot of great Batman
stories explore this, but we have never seen a live action
Batman film actually show the toll that that takes on Bruce

(01:36:33):
Wayne and The Batman is the first movie to do that.
It is such a sad, heavy, slow movie that I think really
captures the grief, the trauma, the obsession, the pain and the

(01:37:02):
longing that Bruce Wayne has. To me, that is how I have always
seen Bruce Wayne since I've matured.
I don't see him as the guy that can buy hotels on a whim or the
guy that can go on a date with 12 Greek models.

(01:37:23):
Right. You know, to me, Bruce Wayne is
a deeply sad and wounded individual.
And wow, this conversation took a turn.
That is how. Batman made the top ten list.
I was going to say that's how I see myself.

(01:37:46):
Well, yeah, yes. And I think you wanted to see
like a Batman, like a younger Batman in terms of one who's
still is dealing with his grief.He was basically my age.
Yeah, in the movie. Yes, and like he's still working
through his grief because all the other band portrayals like
the somberness and grief is still there, but he's kind of
like it's just. Kind of an undercurring.

(01:38:06):
Yeah, or like he, he's kind of like worked past it.
Like, it still hurts some, but he it usually he's portrayed
like, alright, like he's not like, yes, he said that his
parents are dead, but it's not something that, like, holds him
back. But in this one, you're still
seeing like, hey, it's a problem.
Yeah. Like, it's a problem.
Like, does he? He goes into like this Batman
persona because it's an obsession and he doesn't have to

(01:38:28):
be himself for a while. It's the only way he can cope
with the loss of his parents. Which is like some heavy shit
that we don't see like in the other portrayals.
Because it could be the case that like the all the other
versions of Batman did go through this but they're usually
older more established. This is Year 1 Batman.
And see the the issue that I have with Christian Bale's

(01:38:51):
Batman is he's such a like a rational guy.
Like yes we see his parents death.
That's that 210 IQ. That's the exactly that's the
impetus for him becoming Batman.But he's.
Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne is such a stoic rationalist that

(01:39:13):
he's already thinking, well, I'mgoing to become Batman as a
symbol to instill fear, as a wayto fight crime and corruption in
Gotham City. Robert Pattinson's Bruce Wayne
becomes Batman because he is so depressed and traumatized by the
loss of his parents that the only way he can even deal with

(01:39:38):
that is to dress up as a bat andbeat the shit out of people.
Because he's trying to recreate the Knight that he lost his
parents. Because he thinks if I just beat
up enough dudes, if I can somehow recreate that knight,
then it'll fix me. And and you see that.

(01:40:01):
And when I see people complain about Robert Pattinson's
performance, that it's one note that it's too emo, I'm sorry,
you have no clue what you're talking about.
The the performance is so layered, it's so nuanced.
Robert Pattinson says more with his eyes than Christian Bale,
Ben Affleck, Michael Keaton, every other Batman actor has

(01:40:23):
ever said with their body voice.The the entirety of all the
other Batman X's performances just completely fall at the feet
of Robert Pattinson's eyes alone.
There is so much longing in his eyes.
It's those those lingering stares at the mayor's son when

(01:40:45):
he sees 'cause he sees himself in that kid.
And it's not just about how little Robert Pattinson says
when he's Bruce Wayne. It's about what he doesn't say
is Batman. Even when he's Batman and he
feels confident he he doesn't. There's so much left unspoken,
like when in the third act of the film, they call Batman to

(01:41:09):
Arkham because they're saying that Riddler wants to speak to
him. And he thinks Riddler has
deduced his identity, So he thinks this is the end.
And he looks at Gordon. He looks at Gordon and says,
you're a good cop. We both know that's not what he
wants to say. Gordon is basically his only
friend, right? And like, really, what he's

(01:41:31):
trying to say is, I value this relationship that we've had for
the past two years. It's probably the closest thing
I've had to a healthy relationship.
But he can't bring himself to say it because he's so hurt.
Like there, it's, it's, there's all these little intricacies to
Robert Pattinson's performance that, that people just don't,

(01:41:54):
don't pick up on it. And I'm not saying that they
don't pick up on it because they're not watching the movie,
right? It's, I see that because I see
myself in, in that Bruce Wayne, right?
And then obviously I, I think the Batman is, is just a
technical master class. I, I know it just came out three

(01:42:14):
years ago, but I, I legitimatelythink it is one of the most
beautiful films ever made. I mean.
Jesus. Christ.
Or ever, of all time, ever. Oh damn.
You could pick any single shot from The Batman and I would just
I would look at it for several minutes and.
Then you'll. And then you'll be like, yeah,

(01:42:35):
they did it better. Come on, Mr. Michael Bay.
Any Michael Bay shot is the better shot than any director.
You're right. Damn.
So damn. As much as you're glazing The
Batman, you're still winning theglaze Michael Bay.
That's how much I think he's so great at what he does.

(01:42:57):
Yeah, right. Okay, fair enough.
But yes, the Batman is just, it's a technical master class.
I mean, I don't know how, and I know this isn't a fair
comparison because they're not trying to accomplish the same
thing in terms of story and toneor even themes.
But I don't know how a sane person can watch the Batman and

(01:43:18):
then watch like Spider Man, No Way Home or Shang Chi and say,
yes, these two things are the same.
They're not. They're the Batman is made by
artists with a voice. Because it's not just the
cinematography, it's the color grading, it's the sound design.
Nobody talks about the sound design of Batman dude like.

(01:43:42):
Man. I know, I know, this is probably
the one aspect people have talked about, but when that
Batmobile starts I I was ready to run through a brick wall.
Right. But if you rewatch the movie,
rain is a very interesting framing device throughout the
movie. Like we, it has so many
different sounds like in the beginning when we hear the rain

(01:44:05):
fall on the bat signal, it's that very strong, like patter
against the metal. But then later in the movie,
when he's putting the contact lens on Selena, the rain is sort
of a gentle echo, just like patterning the window.
And then when they get really close together, as he's
adjusting the the contact and it's, it's obvious that the

(01:44:29):
movie is trying to frame it as asort of romantic moment.
The rain just almost fades to nothing.
It just turns into like this in between the music, right?
And then during the Batmobile chase, it's obviously just this
down. Yeah.
I mean, it, there's so much, it's the sound design.

(01:44:50):
It's it's the editing. It's, it's the the costuming.
It's, it's the way that every single person in the movie
brings their A game. Frickin Martinez, the actor who
plays that guy, You remember him?
I mean, it's just like every single person involved in this
movie somehow decided, oh, I'm just gonna just do the best

(01:45:14):
thing I've ever done in my entire.
Career. For this movie, right?
Like it's it just, it's, it cametogether.
Everyone decided to act that day.
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Damn. That's why it's on there.
And that was the short. Version.
That was the short version, ladies and gentlemen.
The short version. That was the short version.
I can't imagine how long the master class will be like.

(01:45:37):
Oh. I'm not gonna come with notes,
I'm gonna come with a book. I was gonna say you're gonna
come with like a thesis statement or like a first draft.
Ready. Yeah, guys, I'm ready.
Yeah, exactly. But that's pretty cool.
How like you. So you are people able to vote
for your list or is it just likeyou submit it?

(01:45:59):
It's like people can, people canview it.
Submit your own. OK.
If you were to make your ballot,they would count that as a
submission. Got it.
OK. But you were able to make 2
ballots. So yeah, like I said, there were
a couple movies on there where Iwas like, I don't know, right?
The weirdly, yeah, Top Gun was one where I was like, yeah, this

(01:46:19):
is going on there. Interesting.
Yeah, I can't wait to watch at some point.
Yeah, some point. At some point, yeah, some.
Point Yeah, I. Still gotta watch the original
button. Yeah, due time.
In due time. Yeah.
Well, I think that took the bulkof our discussion.
It really did. NYT man Yeah.

(01:46:42):
You can feel free to go check out their list, but remember,
they're going to make you make afree account and they're going
to try to charge you and they'regoing to try to woo you and be
like, hey, for only $1.00 a week, you can get like this
great deal. Don't, don't do that.
Just you can, you can view it for free.
Yeah, exactly. You just have to have an account
because, you know, it's the New York Times.

(01:47:03):
That's how that's how they get you.
Exactly. Don't fall for it, yeah.
Anyways, cast, I wish you were here.
You would have missed you. We miss you bud.
Hope you get better. I wish you could have been here
to lead us with the outro, but Iguess spiritually you're giving

(01:47:23):
me the mic. So I will do the best to close
this out. Thanks for sitting down and like
listening to us. I would say talk film, but we
didn't really talk film. We talked about like film
adjacent. Thank you for sitting with us
and talking to film adjacent stuff with us.
Yes, this fireside chat. It's fireside chat.

(01:47:46):
Yes, this. Is what this episode's gonna be
called the fireside episode That's.
Not a bad name, yes. Thank you for listening
everybody. Until next time, until next
episode. Until next episode, and
obviously I have to mention it one more time, I just put out
what I think is the best video of my up and down inconsistent

(01:48:10):
YouTube career. Up until this point.
Up until this point, best video.Exactly and I.
Take a lot for him to make a better view than this one.
It would mean a lot if you wouldcheck that out and subscribe to
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Other than that run through showacknowledgments.
Thank you to Levi for composing the intro music.
Thank you to Jesse for the artwork and thank you to Cass
for a well given us a couple of jokes in this episode.
We'll see you next time, everybody.

(01:48:53):
Peace plants. Namaste.

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