Horror 101: A Mostly Harmless Introduction

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Be inspired to do things differently, hey?
Everyone, welcome to Below the Line podcast, brought to you by
the nobodies of Hollywood. I'm Dylan.
I'm Jesse and I'm cast. Welcome back, cast.
Wait a minute, there's a third person.
Here. That's crazy.
Where have you been? Actually, no.
The people who know where you'vebeen.

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Exactly. So we don't need to go into it.
No, let's get into it. I want to tell you something.
Hey, what's up? I missed you, buddy.
That's it. Good to hear.
No, no kind words. Yeah.
And no kind words, no. Reciprocation.
This this is the the cast that we needed.

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Yeah, exactly. And it's perfectly suited for
the theme of this. Stuff.
The jokes I want to make are inappropriate.
That's why I'm being quiet rightnow.
Saying you can just see from hisfacial expressions there were at
least three jokes you wanted to throw.
Yeah. There's like, you know what, I
can get cancelled if I say this,so I'm gonna shut up.
But thank you. We need to get.
Started for you to get cancelled, so yeah, we're safe

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for now. I can't be cancelled, you know,
before episode. 20 at least, yeah.
I gotta make it to episode 69. After that I don't care bro, if
I'm blessed I'll make it to 420 but 69 is where I'm like. 4/20 I
made it here. Those are the numbers to reach.
That's like what everyone wants to aim for.
Yeah, and see, people don't wantto say that, but I'll say that

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I'll, I'll come up here on the mic and say that I'm trying to
get episode episode sixty, 9708094120, you know?
So like each one will have theirown dedicated jokes I'm sure.
Oh, for sure, bro. You.
Yeah. Obviously, that's a given.
Yeah, exactly. I guarantee it right now clip
this clip this right now. Episode 69 Oh my God, that

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episode's going to be phenomenal.
More downloads than the joke episode Episode 7 clip this
right now. I said it, and now we.
Wait and want to give you a little bit of pause so you know,
you know when to stop clipping it.
But the theme for today's episode and the number plays an
important role. Just like Jesse was talking

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about his favorite episode will be episode.
This episode, episode 13 will focus on horror.
Fuck that. Which a lot of people will tend
to have the same that same sentiment.
Just using my personal life as adata point, which is obviously
enough data to figure out how itis for everyone else.
Not many people are willing to watch scary movies just because

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they are uncomfortable. They don't like being scared.
But in my friend group. That's me.
Yeah, I only have one friend that enjoys watching scary
movies, but in recent years bothDylan and Jesse have been more
inclined to watch scary movies, which has.
As someone who is an avid horrormovie fan it is a great joy to

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hear about that and hopefully ashopefully this won't be the only
horror dedicated episode becauseI would like to hear their fresh
opinions on the horror genre. Because at this point I am kind
of numb to a horror and it's very hard for me to be scared
unless it's a jump scare. But even crazy even then I just

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flinch. But.
With jump scares you can, if youif you've seen enough movies,
you can see them coming. I do enjoy a jump scare that
gets me that I don't see coming.I do not.
Those are the horror movies I. Avoid.
Well, I will say I don't think this is going to be the only
horror episode because we got togive the people what they want

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during October, which is spooky,scary season.
So we're definitely going to be circling back to this.
We just wanted to give you a chance to shine.
Yeah, But yeah. So for the first episode, let's
try. Let's do an entry into horror.
For those of you listening, if you're an avid horror movie fan,
nice. Or if you're not so great and

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not so willing to watch horror movies, maybe this will be the
discussion that gets you into movies, just like it did for
Mom. I don't know what got you into
movies and into horror movies, Jesse, but I I know that Dylan
was slowly and assuredly inchingto get more comfortable with

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horror movies. He was even willing to watch
some in the theater with me, which is something that Jesse
was never willing to do. Yeah.
After Paranormal Activity. Yeah.
So. What's funny is like paranormal
activity that that is like 1 subgenre of horror.
I realized I'm not to, I'm not going to like jump at the chance

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of watching a horror movie, but if I am, I kind of have my
preference for what kind of horror I like.
There's, there's so many different branches of horror,
yeah. I don't like Paranormal Activity
like the found footage type movies I don't like.
I don't like that genre in general.
Footage is terrible. Yeah.
And I, I know like in horror movies, they do that a lot just

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because like it's easy to do anda lot of a lot of horror movies
are kind of like campy, like they're made like low budget
films, which like take so many great films out of it.
But yeah. And I think that's.
Found footage not for me. For new directors, I feel like a
horror movie is the great entryway for them because yeah,

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fans actually like it. The fans of the horror genre
actually like low budget budget movies.
So it's it's perfect for a director that wants to get into
the field to make a horror movie.
And they, like I said, like the one that started the whole I, I
don't know if this one's definitive one that started the
found footage movies, but The Blair Witch Project, it is it,

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it started it. And after that everyone tried
it. And then it's like Paranormal
Activity happened. And that one was Big 7 movies I
believe. That's too many.
It was too many. Fast and Furious, that's 12.
It's going to have 12. I think they're like 10, but I
think they're. Gonna have 12, you skipped 11.

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Oh, they had 11. No I I I don't remember.
I stopped watching after 7 and even then I think that was too
much but. There's at least 10.
Yeah. But going into that, I wanted to
talk about are you? I wanted to go into our entry
into horror, how we were introduced into it to maybe get
the audience more comfortable with horror movies and more

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willing to enter if they haven'talready.
So I'll start off. Yeah, go ahead.
So I don't have an entry movie per SE, simply because growing
up my family loved horror movies.
We all watched horror movies. We all tried to scare each
other. Some people grew up with Dragon
Tales, Power Rangers, the Disneymachine.

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I grew up with Chucky, Jason, Freddie, Michael, all those
scary movies. So sorry to hear that.
Yeah, I, I that sounds terrified.
I can't fall asleep with a doll looking at me.
I'm saying, and I can't do that.I have to turn it away, you
know, turn it around. If it's looking at me, I can't

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sleep. But and our family just like
loved it. Every one of my siblings, even
my parents, they love, they lovescary movies.
And we would go around trying toscare each other.
There was one time when I believe I was like, I was
watching these horror movies since I was five.
I think I was seven or eight. I was walking past the bed and

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my brother reached was was underthe bed.
He reached out, grabbed my feet,knocked me to the floor and
dragged me under the bed. You know, like that.
Like like that scene from Idle Hands.
Little extreme. Oh yeah, I love it.
It's like I don't remember much about it.
I the one thing I do remember which I'm.
Surprised scene from Poltergeist.

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Oh, it's a very common scene. I think it's yeah.
Oh yeah, It's a control one. I didn't wet myself, which
looking back, I'm surprised. Maybe I'd already gone to the
bathroom, but and I didn't kick my brother in the face, which he
totally deserved. But I don't remember doing that.
I'm pretty sure I cried. Like I don't, I don't remember

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crying, but it I I feel like I probably did.
So that that was the kind of environment that I grew up in
sort of watching horror movies all the time and just like
trying to scare each other, trying to find new ways to scare
each other. And so that was my entrance of
horror. What?
What was your entry? Well, I appreciate your

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vulnerability and sharing what you went through with your
husband. 10 year old me, yes. Yeah, I mean, I guess I'll, I'll
share like the same, the same family thing.
My dad, he's big into horror movies.
I am not. You are our mutual friend also.
He is also into horror. It's funny because today he

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called me and I told him like, hey, yo, like I'm gonna be busy
after 6:00 PM today 'cause you know, I gotta, I gotta come out
here and pot. And he told me what you talking
about today. And I told him, like, yo, I'm
gonna be talking about horror, horror movies.
And he said, bitch, you don't watch horror.
Movies. And I was like, yeah, no, I
agree. This this is not my episode.

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This is this is cast episode. This is this is not mine.
Like this is going to be his master class.
And he was like, oh, OK, OK, OK,OK.
Master class. Because, because, because he
knows that you love horror movies and he also loves horror
movies. I, I do not.
So my entry love to, to my entryto it was my dad loves it.
And we would watch growing up, we would have like family

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nights, like on the weekends, Fridays, Fridays or Saturdays,
we would watch movies together as a family in the living room,
usually just like family movies,you know?
Disney machine? Yeah.
The. Well, yeah.
The Disney machine, the, the, the, the Goofy movie, Lion King,
you know, like actual good Disney movies.

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And then like once everybody fell fell asleep.
My dad will be like, well, I'll just watch what I want to watch.
But sometimes not everybody fellasleep.
Hi, it's me. I'm awake and my dad starts
watching. I think Jeeper creepers too.
And that's like my thing, my earliest memory into like the
horror movie genre. It's just like watching horror
like Jeepers Creepers 2 with my dad and like that movie scaring

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the fuck out of me. I think I started the trend of
me saying fuck that whenever it comes to horror movies.
In general. I remember watching that as a
kid. I've been getting better at it
or I've been trying to get better at it in terms of like
opening, opening myself up to watching more horror movies.
But it's not my go to genre. Like for you, like I grew on

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Power Rangers, Dragon Tales, Inigasha Pokémon.
All that good stuff. Yeah, that was my, that was my
entry. You had a fun entry movie for
idea. Thank.
You I don't know about fun. Joopers Creepers 3 would have

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been a better entry way. No, I don't trash.
Exactly that scared you as much.That's I think it would have
scared me all the same. Bro I was scared of fucking
paranoid. I thought I was tough in high
school because I watched paranoid my activity one through
5. I was like, yo, I'm so fucking
tough. Like he was not tough.
Bro, no, no, no, fuck you take you take out a girl one time to

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movie theaters. You go watch pregnant one,
anybody two or three, like bro, just I'm not this is I'm not
going to say inappropriate comments, but like it was a good
time. What he means is by the fact
that the girl would hide behind him and then he would hide
behind her. Yes, that's the PG version of
the story. Thank you.

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No. I went with two of our mutual
friends and they both hid behindme.
So yes, was not fun, but I. Think I watched a couple of
paranormal activities with my extoo.
Thank you. Strangely enough.
See, now you understand. I just remember being really
bored though. Yes.
Well, actually for me, I was like, you know, I know, I I

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guess I thought it was tough because I was like, oh, I can't
actually watch these movies. Yeah, so fucking tough.
Damn, that's scary. Yeah, I am looking like a bitch
right next to my date. I understand.
Thank you. And what about your entry into
Horror Dome? That's a tough question for me,
believe it or not, because I don't think I have a definitive

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memory of being introduced to horror.
Early especially. Not like you because.
Well, I didn't give a definitive.
I was from a very young age indoctrinated into the Disney
capitalist cult, so most of my childhood was smell watching
Brad, So Ironic, The Jungle Book, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty

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and the Beast, Aladdin, Snow White, all of these movies, A
Goofy Movie. I even watched the bad Disney
movies. But.
I mean, these are all movies youhate 'cause they're animated or?
No, these these are the bad Disney movies that are
objectively bad films like Oliver and Company or the

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Aristocats. Terrible, terrible movie.
I've never watched it. It is, honestly.
Atrocious. Is it a horror movie?
No, it's not. I'm gonna take a shot in the
dark and say my first introduction to horror that I
remember that would actually left some kind of formative
experience on me was the first Scream, But it was obviously not

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the year it came out. OK, that they all mix in as well
at some point. So I was trying to remember but
I remember that was a good one. And part of the reason I liked
it was because it was so self referential to movies in
general. So that's probably the first

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thing I can honestly tell you that I watched and thought I.
I like this. Because this isn't entirely
related but I think a lot of thehorror movies that I ended up
watching were due to watching Scary Movie and wondering what

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does this movie parody. So let me go watch the original
film that the Scary Movie franchise.
Parodied. No way you watched the movie
that Scary Movie 2 Parodied. Yeah.
Screamed. Yes, It wasn't screamed.
That was. It was Poltergeist.
No, it wasn't Poltergeist. What was it?
Well, actually it was, but that wasn't the main one.

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I think it was House on the Hill.
OK, I haven't seen that you're ahouse.
On the Hill. Yeah, I think it was House on
the Hill. Well, for it parodied like 7.
It did. That's well, that's what I mean.
They they parodied so many different movies.
The first Scary movie isn't justScream.
I know, yeah. But I think the I know what you

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did last summer. The second one, I believe
whenever I think of that movie, I like to remember Scary Movie.
All I remember is that honestly,when I think of like I know what
you did last summer, the the thescene where she looks out the
window when the killers like right there.

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Whenever I think of that scene, I just think of the The Scary
Movie parody where she turns around and then he runs and
hides behind the tree. Oh.
That's not what I thought you were going to say, honestly.
Oh, there's so much I could say.I honestly think of what are you
waiting for? A lot.
I I thought you were, I'm not going to say it.
But there are so many things I think about in that movie.

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But yeah, Scary Movie too. I believe the main ones are
House on a Hill and Poltergeist.Because you know you also have
something's. Someone's angels.
I forgot Charlie's Angels. Charlie's Angels for a short
scene in that. Oh, yeah, when they do the slow
motion, the action sequence. I have seen both Charlie's

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Angels, Charlie's Angels movies,yeah.
Foreign. I'm kidding.
I don't know. I'm talking about the ones with
Lucy Liu, Cameron Diaz and Drew Barrymore.
I don't I I don't remember honestly how many.
Those are my. Charlie's Angels.
It's been years since I've seen them, but you know what?
Maybe I'll revisit them. But yeah, same question to those

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listening, what was your entry level 2 or what movie did you
watch that made you interested in horror?
Or maybe you turn away from horror in general and Mull that
over for a second. Yeah.
'Cause you guys do that, 'cause I'm doing that too.
Really trying. It's like these, actually, Dylan
said. That he's more, he's gotten
better at movies. I don't know if that's true, but

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I'm more. I'm all for it if it is.
I can see that Jesse is visibly.Uncomfortable.
I'm clutching my pros right now.Yeah, as we talk about horror
movies, I'm. Scared I'm not even looking at
the screen right now. When you're watching a horror
movie in the background. Couldn't figure out which one to
watch, so we just decided to putEvil Dead the remake, the one

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What year was it, 2021? I don't remember.
You haven't seen it, So it's, I'm just playing in the
background. I wanted it to be something to
like draw their attention and maybe scare them a little bit,
you know, get them in the mood for disorder, try to build that
ambiance. I don't think it's working for
Dylan. I've never seen him look at the
screen. But Jesse keeps looking every

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once in a while and. I look at nothing.
I only look for I only. I only stare straight into the
abyss. Me too, honestly.
Boom. It's my whole personality.
That's great. He's called me the Abyss.
Because the when I stare into the abyss, it looks back at me,
that's why. All right.

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Watches, do you blink? No, never watches Crisis on 2
hurts one time. Damn it, It's like I was gonna
say, it's like, did you get the reference?
It doesn't matter. Yeah.
OK. Did get the reference.
Yeah, that's great. That's great.
Great. Movie.
Not a horror movie, but it's still a great movie.
I, I love watching it, honestly.I I I it's, I've watched it

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multiple times. If I'm being honest.
I normally don't. I rarely rewatch movies.
But I think that's, I don't knowif that's more because I'm a
such ADC fan, but I watch the movies a lot like but I I really
enjoyed that movie. It was a great horror horror
superhero movie. Brydburn Yeah, You want to talk

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about that one? Well, I was just, I was just
bringing it up since you were talking about DC like, Oh well,
bright burn like that was like. James Gunn's first try at Well,
no. He's the producer.
It was. A It was a gun.
Yeah, it was a gun's. Producer.
Yeah, him trying to make a scaryhorror superhero movie.
Scary Superman, basically. Yeah, basically.

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And honestly, that one kind of made me uncomfortable just
because I don't know, maybe it'sthe whole kid aspect of it,
just. I liked it.
Like that's exactly how a kid would act if he discovers he has
power. He's like, oh shit, like his
moral compass would be like Greyand like he doesn't know.
He doesn't recognize pure birding.
Yeah, he doesn't know exactly like recognize the consequences
of his actions. And it was like a 90 minute

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film. Come on.
Like it's. Short.
Though Exactly. So I I saw this one like part of
me did wish it could be longer or it was longer.
I feel like they could have expanded on like the shit that
he does more, but I like that itwas only like an hour and 30
minutes or so. And one of the things that I do
look at very much love about thehorror movie genre is that in

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that genre, I feel like in that genre more than other genres,
the directors are willing to do something different.
Like gonna have to. Yeah, exactly.
They they have to because otherwise it gets failed and
boring. And it's like you'll get to see
some very interesting just scenes and the way everything's
done. It's like they get creative and
I really enjoy that. Right.

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No, I think yeah. And I think it depends on like
what type of like what type of sub genre of horror it is and
like what's. Your favorite sub genre?
That's a great question. I'll start with what's not my
favorite. I'm not a fan of like body
horror, body horror movies like Saw.
Yeah, gore like Saw, those that those those series like series

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of movies. I don't like those.
I like romantic horror, actuallycan.
You give an example? Yeah, I was going to.
Say one right now. Let me in.
It's a vampire vampire vampire child vampire child love Horror
Story. Like vampire ballerina.
Yeah, well, I'm just seeing vampire ballerina, but it's like

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the protagonist had two children, one's a vampire.
And it's just like the horror elements of a vampire, but also
like the ROM, the innocent romance of which like, you know,
being a kid. So I like, I like that type of
horror versus like, oh, body horror, gore, gore or found
footage films. I don't.
I don't like this horror. No, we need, we need more

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romantic horror movies I don't think I like.
Zombie movies like like zombie horror movies?
Those are dime A. Dozen.
I like those. I like those.
Like those. I can watch it.
That's why, that's why there's like so many of them, because.
Vampire horror movies, I like those.
Like Nosferatu. I just saw that one.
I saw that one recently. That one was really good.
I guess I would classify that asgothic horror.

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And I like gothic horror. That's it.
OK. And Dylan, the same question
with you. Which one?
Which subgenre of horror do you like, and which ones turn do you
turn away from? All of the above because he's a
film novel. Yeah, I was about to say my
favorite genre subgenre of horror.

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Hell no, you couldn't pay me to watch a found footage movie.
You did watch Paranormal Activity?
I know, but like Jesse said thatwas more as a date so.
You still watched it and honestly I can't think of I
don't know what other found footage movies were made after a
paranormal activity. There's.
More. I know there was, there is more,
it's just they're so forgettable.

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Yeah, which ones do? You like elevated horror is
obviously the best subgenre of horror and it's not even close.
And what would you define elevated horror as I was?
Talking about real horror that actually has something to say,
like The Shining or Get Out or even something like The
Exorcist, I think you could argue is elevated horror.
But I like to see some artistry in these movies because I do

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think you made an excellent point.
Directors can be really creativewith the genre, not just in
terms of how they tell the story, but how they shoot the
movie, how everything looks. They have a lot of leeway to
make these movies creative, so Ilike when they actually embrace

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that aspect of the genre. For example, I would say one of
my more recent favorite horror movies, even though I was
terrified of it. Terrified of it the first time
we watched it is Hereditary, because that movie is actually
thematically rich. It has a genuine story to it.

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If I and it does it at a very nice pace too, so you're not
like lost or distracted by the horror.
It's just gives you that uncomfortable feeling throughout
that entire movie. And then as you keep watching
on, it's like you understand what's going on, what's
happening, even though they're introducing new things.
That was a great movie. I, I did find it scary the first

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time I watched it. Definitely a movie you need to
see in theaters. No, I think Hereditary is the
most uncomfortable I've ever been watching a movie in
theaters. I think I told you this before,
but I wanted to leave during themovie.
Not because I was that scared. I mean, I was scared, but I
didn't want to leave because I felt terrified.

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I wanted to leave because the movie made me so uncomfortable.
I. Watched I was with you in the I
was actually, that was one of the movies that I watched with
Dylan. And you actually did tell me in
the theater that you kind of wanted to leave.
And honestly, I was like, you know what?
There's no one else in the theater.
It's like they're not going to say anything.

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It's like, because it's one of those things where you're in the
movie theater, you see someone, you see something scary.
It's like, I just want to get out of here.
But at the same time, you're like, I don't want these people
to see me get out of here and something I can't take it
because. Bro, I don't give a fuck.
I'll bitch. I'll I'll, I'll leave.
I'll be the first one. Be like, no, fuck this.
I'm out. Look at watch.
Watch me, Watch me as I walk out.

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Exit this movie theater. Yeah, I know that.
Yeah. Look at the shadow has opened
the door in the back and you seeme swinging it open.
Yeah, that's me. I don't give a fuck.
I'm out. This.
I did walk out of a horror movieonce, but not because it was too
scary. Me and Dylan were gonna Dylan
and I were gonna watch a movie. I believe it was a contrain.
Actually, it was the first one. Yeah, the first contrain and I

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got there and Dylan was late. This was when they enforced the
15 minute. So, yeah, like our theater,
local theater had a role where if you were, if you came in 15
minutes late, they wouldn't let you into the movie.
And that's funny. Yeah.
So I was in the theater and I was like, I went for the 1st 15
minutes, just like texting Dylan.
It's like, you know what, with all the brightness down, it's

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like sounding the sound, being respectful to everyone, to the
other three people in the theater.
And I texted Dylan's like, whereyou at?
He's like, dude, they enforced the 15 minute rule.
I can't get in. I'm like what I told you, I'm at
the door, but they won't open it.
It's locked. Yeah, and it's like and, and
people at the snack center are ignoring him.
And I'm just like, OK, it's likeyou.

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Came out though. No, I was basically whatever was
going through my hand is like, we were supposed to spend watch
a movie together. It was more about getting having
time to, you know, spend with your friend than watching the
movie. So I was like, I can't like in
good conscience watch the movie by myself.
But then I had that moral conundrum.
It's like, first of all, I can't, I promised to watch a

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movie of Dylan. I can't watch continue watching
this movie. But second of all, I don't want
to see everyone in theater see me bitch out on the scary on a
movie that wasn't even scary. And if you've seen the first
conjuring, it doesn't get scary until like maybe the middle.
So so I was just like watching and I'm just like, shit, I'm
just like, you know what, I'm going to wait for the scary
movie, whatever scary thing to pass and then walk out, walk

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out. It's like, because you know, my
pride was on the line, right? So after that happened, I walked
out and I texted Don. I was like, why don't we watch
Let me rent a movie from Red? I just.
Went back to my house. Yeah.
No, no. That's not what happened.
No, no, I texted you and I'm like, let me rent a movie from

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Redbox and we can just watch it at your house.
And it's like, yeah, that's fine.
And we were talking about movies.
And I was like, passing by our high school went out of nowhere.
A car pulled up. Open it.
Oh. Man, what was this?
Yeah, and, and, and the people inside dragged me in the car and
drove away. I was kidnapped.
Damn. You can't just pause there.
Tell me what? What do you mean you were in the

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car? Oh shit, fuck Twist.
My friends so as I was walking to the red box too, those ones
aren't as. Honestly, that doesn't sound
like me. I was walking towards red box.
I would never do like. You dude, I just heard a car
skid that scared me more than the movie.

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Yeah, just and like part again and the freaking doors open and
I'm like, well, what the. And then I see you guys coming
out, like, what the heck? I'm like, what are you guys
doing? And they're like, Victor, get in
the car where he needs to go andlike, wait, what?
And without getting much of an option, I got thrown into the
car and I had some text still. And it's like, I don't know
what's happening, but I don't think I'm going to be able to
make it. That's crazy.

(28:23):
I do remember that. Now that you tell the story,
that is exactly what happened. Yeah, your friends don't.
Crazy. Yeah, they do.
They are. You are.
Wow. But me?
Yokies, you were one of the two people, you and our mutual
friend that also likes horror movie.
You were the ones that throw me in the car.
Honestly does not sound like me at all.

(28:43):
It does sound. Like I I definitely remember
that now that you tell the story.
Because I was just like, guys, Ican't, I have, I have AI was
going to hang out with Dylan andthen he's like, no, this is more
important. We were like fuck delay.
Yeah, pretty much. It's like.
It's all right. I was saying the same thing
around that time in my life. Oh my God, I thought you were
going to say it's like, fuck those guys, just ditch them and

(29:04):
go watch the movie with me. No.
But I won't say why that happened, but it's like it did
happen and that's crazy. So yeah, I got that.
That's the only time I've ever walked out of a scary movie
because, you know, had to be a good friend.
Can't watch it. Although I didn't really, and I

(29:26):
did end up ditching him. I didn't.
Against my will, I'll say. Right.
But yeah, with horror movies, just like if you'll sign some
honestly, some horror movies, I feel like they get there a lot
more terrifying when you watch them in a theater.
I would, I was going to say likeI was going to bring up the
point that definitely the movie theater experience, it does

(29:50):
elevate like, well, first of all, the experience and also
just I think it's for it's dark.The the sound system, the sound
system is like better than the one you have at your house.
So you can hear like the eerie music playing and like the eerie
noises and you can like feel more like engaged in with it,
especially with there are some movie theaters where it's kind

(30:11):
of have like a 360 view. So like it's like your whole
peripheral is like covered with like taking up the whole screen.
That that can be more rich enriching than like even if just
watching back home, you can havean 80 inch TV still 80 inches.
Yeah, 80 inches versus like a whole big ass screen in the
dark. Yeah, 'cause.

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She Yeah, movies are definitely scarier in the theaters.
Like, yeah. 'Cause yeah, I don't remember
like, like the one I was talkingabout, Hereditary.
I love that movie, honestly. It was terrifying.
Definitely made you uncomfortable.
I enjoyed that movie so much from what it was.
I introduced that movie to our mutual friend that's into horror
movies and he didn't watch it intheaters.

(30:53):
He watched it on on his. I forgot what he watched it on,
but he watched. It don't say a laptop.
He watched it at home. I don't know where he a
projector. I think he had a projector
projected. Because I oh, OK, never mind.
He a projector and he gave me somuch shit for us, like you found

(31:14):
this scary, you found this bad? I'm like, dude, this wasn't
scary. It was nothing.
I was bored at the whole movie and I'm just like, OK, first of
all, you're not I I feel like you're not actually watching it
to spite me because I said it was good and scary.
Then second of all, it's like it's just not the same watching
it in the theater and and another movie.

(31:34):
As an example, I watched Dylan. I don't know if this one would
be considered found footage. I don't think so.
I don't remember that one movie you watched with the Skype
calls. Unfriended.
Unfriended. Yeah.
That scared me. Yeah, I remember.
I'm not gonna lie. That one was like.
Low key, when I dropped him off and I had to drive home, I was

(31:55):
kind of checking the rear view. I was like fuck this man.
I was doing like 40 in residential streets.
Like I love it when a movie scares me because you know, it's
like, you get that rush once you've watched so many scary
movies. You don't get that.
You don't get scared as easily. You don't get that rush, which
is why I love it when directed, when I'll watch a new type of

(32:17):
horror movie just because I I know they'll find a new way to
scare me and I love it. They don't call that found
footage though they they do havea name for movies that are shot
like that. Because have you seen missing or
searching? I know, I know what you're
talking about missing. Yeah, but I didn't want to watch
it just because, not because it,it wasn't I, I was scared of it

(32:39):
because I'm Unfriended, but justbecause I already watched
Unfriended and I'm like, I don'tknow if I wanna watch another
movie like that. So movies that are shot like
that, they call them screen time.
Screen time, yeah. Yeah, it was.
I think what made that so great was that it was the first of its
kind. Yeah.
It was. But honestly?
It did that before. Searching, yeah, and on but

(32:59):
honest, I don't know if searching was a horror movie, it
wasn't the. One No Searching is more of a
thriller because he's, spoiler alert searching for his
daughter. Yeah, but I think the reason why
I liked it so much was because it was the first of its kind.
And honestly, like the screen time thing isn't something

(33:19):
enjoyable to watch if I'm being honest.
Other than just the fact that itwas the first time I saw it, it
was something new. I love it.
I always love it when they try something new regardless of what
it is just because I. Except for foul footage, that's.
It was, it was great the first time because it was something
new and then it got over saturated.

(33:39):
And I feel like if you don't do your own twist on it, you're not
trying. Like I bet if someone if someone
would do like found footage but do their own twist on it to make
it different, I'd watch it. Right.
Because like I said, it's the perfect time to just like.
Because with horror movies, people always want you to try

(34:00):
something different, and that's a perfect opportunity take.
If you can take an old and tiredand dead subgenre and revitalize
it with doing something different instantly, it'll
become a hit. I'm gonna I'm gonna be the
contrarian and disagree. This is just my personal.
Opinion no exactly, but I'm I'm just going to be the contrary

(34:21):
and disagree just and I want to bring up my my dad as an
example. Again, OK, hold on before that,
like you should consider that like you, you don't like found
footage just like as a mental thing, just whenever you have
free time, think of something like how would I do a found
footage movie? I was trying to think of that
right now as you were talking about it.
I. It's it's definitely a question.

(34:43):
It just conflicts with the way that I think about filmmaking.
I say that as a guy who's never directed anything, but it
conflicts with the way I think about filmmaking because
obviously I really care about how things are shot.
Easy black musical. And porn foot important shots

(35:06):
you can. This is the horror comedy
episode, yes. You're welcome.
That's my favorite subgenre. Soon it's not streaming on VOD.
You can do good shots. There are some horror movies
that have like amazing shots panning and just like the way
they the way you do the camera work.

(35:29):
Can something be unsettling likein psychological horror movies?
The the camera work plays a hugerole in that and making you feel
like, oh wow, just make make youenjoy that movie.
Like I believe that's long legs the one you recommend it to me.
I think it's psychological. I'm very excited to watch that.

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Have you seen the 2020 remake ofThe Invisible Man?
I have, yes. I think that's the.
Original and the remake. That's a movie that uses the
camera really well because obviously the antagonist is
invisible. But I think Lee Whannell really
did a good job directing the movie because he would place the

(36:10):
camera behind the wall and then he would just kind of creep it
over to the side and then pull it back as if you are watching
her. I it's simple, but it was very
effective, dude. It was, it was just, it
highlights what you just said. Exactly.
The horror movies give you that opportunity.
Sorry, I had to go into that segue, but you wanted to talk

(36:31):
about contrarian opinion to whatI said?
Yeah, I was just going to bring up my dad and my dad is an
example. I mentioned this in the pre show
how you know singers are now streaming.
So he watched it recently and hedid not like it because because,
and and to your point, how you're saying that, oh, like try

(36:52):
something different and it'll beinstant him.
People like it this and that yes, because like obviously
there are people that love sinners, but there are like
there is a certain like demographic that didn't like the
movie who like for my dad personally, like it was just a
simple reason that he was expecting like a horror movie.
He wasn't scary enough, and yeah, he was.
Expecting like a scary type of horror movie and all he got was

(37:14):
the meta commentary musical black type of horror movie.
Which but they did do something different.
Than that no, they did that is to your point.
I was just providing like a contrarian opinion.
How No I understand some people prefer like hey like if I want
to watch a slasher film, make ita slasher film.
Don't introduce like this meta commentary about blah blah blah
blah blah. I just want to see slashers

(37:35):
slash. Even though the horror community
is small, it's very diverse in how it views horror movie, which
is why there's so many subgenres.
But I bet you right now, like I'm gonna say this on the pod,
do not mention this to our mutual friend, but I'm gonna
stay on the pod. I bet when he watches sinners,
he's not gonna like it because it's not horror enough.
And you know that he likes horror movies.

(37:56):
I want to make the same bet thatI bet like my dad.
He's gonna watch it. He's not gonna like it cuz it's
not horror. Enough.
Let me think yeah cuz I know hispreference.
We talk about horror movies a lot so I know which ones he
likes. He is a huge fan of the Evil
Dead. Francis he.
Won't like it, but. He probably won't, but you know
what? That's that's OK.

(38:17):
Horror movies, not everyone likelike I said everyone there.
There are so many Co followings for every genre.
I personally don't like the goreporn where it's overly gory.
I'm OK with a little bit of gore.
I don't like it when it's like too much where it's just too
much for me. And I'm not not that I'm
uncomfortable by it, but I'm just like I zone out.

(38:39):
It doesn't catch my attention. Which is why I never, I've never
watched any of the terrorizer movies because everyone says
it's like, that's the peak porn.That is the peak definition of
gore porn. That's funny.
And I'm just like, I'm not really interested.
I mean, I'm probably gonna just watch it because I'm curious
right at this point. Cuz everyone talks about it.
It's mainstream now. I guess you could say mainstream

(39:00):
for horror where it's one of those movies that you just know.
So I might check it out, but I probably won't enjoy it.
That's fine. That's that's one of the things
I love about horror is that there are so many subgenres.
Even if one part of horror does not interest you right, there

(39:21):
are others like right. Like I said, my horror comedy is
one of my favorites, but I very much enjoy psychological.
Horror. Yeah.
Not. Or supernatural horror.
Yeah, or when they combine supernatural and psychological.
Right. Those are rare.
Yeah. So, you know, that's my favorite
genre. Whereas.
And like the one I dislike the most is just score porn, right?

(39:41):
So but like I can handle gore. It's like I don't mind it
sometimes. If you like it, you can use it
as a comedic effect or you can if you it can be used correctly.
But like over using it too much and like it's just not for me.
Yeah, that's enough. I can see that.
And yeah, we're kind of all overthe place.

(40:05):
If that's that's you, I'm sorry.I'm all over the place.
I think episode is like. I'm locked in.
Like a bull. Like a bull in a China shop.
I know. You know what?
Speaking of bulls, I have another another story.
Another fun story. Get it?
A little horror. Cuz what's better?
If you're gonna do a horror episode, you gotta tell scary

(40:27):
stories. This one's maybe not scary
story, but you know, it's an interesting 1.
And I know I've probably told you guys this before, so, you
know, brace yourselves for this,but this will be the first time
I'm telling this to the audience.
Collection my pros right now. I don't think that's gonna.
I don't think you had much of A reaction when I first told you
this one so. Shivering in my booth.
This this was years ago. I I was visiting my sister at

(40:51):
her house. We were visiting several of us
and you know, not enough rooms. So I was sleeping in the living
room on the couch and my niece was sleeping in the couch
opposite of me about 10 feet away.
She gave up her room so that ourmom, her grandma, my mom could

(41:12):
have that room. And so we were like 10 feet
apart and next to us was the kitchen with the a glass door to
go outside with curtains. So we're getting ready to fall
asleep. We were, we were talking earlier
and we're getting ready to fall asleep.
Went out of nowhere. We just hear.
And if you've heard this noise before, you know what it sounds

(41:35):
like. But a bull or a cow blowing air
out of its nose. OK, so we heard.
Well, I heard that and I thoughtto myself, because I immediately
knew what it was. If you've heard it once, you'll
instantly recognize it. And I'm like, but it's like,
it's like, OK, first of all, it's like, I'm like, I'm like,

(41:58):
I'm so versal. Like that can't be it.
I'm probably just imagining things.
I I brushed it off. But then my niece calls up to
me. She's like Uncle Uncle Cass.
Did you hear that? I'm like, hear what?
And she's like, and she's just like, it sounded like a a bull
blowing air out of its nose. I'm like, shoot, I was hoping

(42:19):
you'd say something different because, you know, if we say the
same thing, then that that may increase the chances that we
heard correctly. And he's like, what do we do?
Because it sounds like it came up from outside from the from
the kitchen, which was separatedby a glass door.
And I talked to myself, OK, one,you know, in religion, the bull

(42:39):
is a symbolic for the devil. So I thought one of two things.
Either it's the devil outside and I'm going to die or it's a
bull outside I'm going to die and I can't stop either of the
situation so I might as well diein my sleep.
So I told my niece it's like just go to sleep, it's fine,
it's nothing. And I went to sleep and then the

(43:02):
next day nothing happened. We were both fine, we were both
safe. I went outside to see if I could
see any like prints maybe maybe it was an actual bull, maybe it
was a cow to see if I could see any prints, hoof prints on the
freshly dude grass. Didn't find anything.
And my niece was like, what do you think that was all about?
It's like, and I told and I toldher, it's like, well, you know,

(43:24):
it's like, honestly, it's like if that was a real bull screwed.
I go, I go outside the check, I'm gone.
It's like looks at me. It's like, look.
And he just thinks to himself, this guy's looking at me
randomly and he's going to charge me.
I can't outrun a bull. I can't fight a bull.
I'm dead right. It's like, I, I don't want to
deal with that. It's like might as well just

(43:45):
like, you know, if I'm going to get round and kill and it's like
might as well be be in the comfort of my own couch in my
own warm little, you know, I'm going to die comfy.
And it was like it was either that it's like or it's like it
could have been a devil. And it's like, yeah, I know.
I was thinking that too. I said that's fine.
It's like, you know, if it was the devil, I'm fine.
I'm St. It's not.

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It didn't come here for me. It's like more likely it came
for you. And she's like, it's like, Uncle
Cass, how can you say that you're my uncle?
Shouldn't you protect you? And I'm like, what?
I look like a priest. If it's the actual devil, what
am I supposed to do? The Holy Water edit.
Exactly. Holy water at all and.
Face Catholic? Yeah, exactly according.

(44:30):
To The Conjuring movies, Catholics are superheroes.
Exactly. And to go off into that, that
because you know what we were, Iwas, I was helpless either
whatever it was, I was hopeless.There was nothing I could do
about that. It's like I'm I'm not going to
be able to protect my age from that.
But that, that sense of helplessness, I feel like that's

(44:53):
what elevates a horror movie. To give an example of a chapter
1 and a Chapter 2, the first oneyou have the protagonist or
kids, you see it from their point of view.
And then in a chapter 2, you seethat from the same kids, but as
adults. And personally, I find H chapter
one a lot more terrifying than Hchapter 2.
And I think a part of it that itis the part of the reason why

(45:16):
it's so much scarier is because in H chapter 2, they're adults
and you think they're more capable, they're more able to
deal with the situation and you don't feel like there is in
danger as much. Whereas with the kids, you're
just like, oh, they're screwed, right?
It's like, I didn't, I, it's like I wasn't expecting to watch
kids die, but I did watch one die in the 1st 5 minutes.
So, you know, I'm ready. I'm stripped in, right?

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And I feel like helpless. Having the main characters be
helpless helps you make be more on edge when the main characters
don't know what's going on and they make stupid decisions.
Because that's a horror movie trope in every horror movie.
And the reason it's a horror movie trope is because you want
them to be incompetent, slow andmaking stupid, just making

(46:05):
stupid decisions because then you are tense.
You literally think this person is going to die.
Something's going to happen to them.
OK, I'm here for it. And you're just like, or it's
like, if it's your favorite character, like, no, not them.
They're tolerable, right? But I feel like helplessness is
helplessness is something that well, for me, I enjoy it when

(46:29):
the character is trying to understand what's going on,
doesn't know what's going on, istrying to survive it.
I feel like that makes a good scary movie.
Not all the time, because there are some movies where you just
you, you enjoy it where they're helpless in the beginning and
they just come back at the end and just like fight back and
you're just like finally. But they feel like that's

(46:51):
because I've seen so many scary movies that it's a breath of
fresh air when the main characters win over whatever it
is that is terrorizing them. Right.
I was, you know, that's a fair, like I would say fair trope, not
maybe a trooper theme. It's a fair theme.

(47:12):
Like it's a theme in in horror movies, having someone be
helpless or having like the maincharacters need saving from some
danger or whatever. And I think that that's what, as
you know, that's what as like the horror element to it.
Sorry, I'm yeah, I understand. I'm getting distracted by the
the I, I forgot about the scene in the movie.

(47:32):
I'm like, oh, that's really great for claustrophobia.
I just that closed in in enclosed base where she's just
like, oh, that, that's a good, that's a good scene.
Yes remember more about the use of camera work in, you know,
tight ages to enlisted enlisted scary thoughts and emotions.
Yeah, exactly. What else do you Dylan, jump in?

(47:56):
All right, Larry Moore the the comment more about the use of
camera angles, focusing on tight, vivid imagery.
Well, about it, it's very interesting because she's
bloody. I think when we think about
cinematography in horror movies,the go to example for me is The
Shining. Not just because it was directed

(48:18):
by the late, great Stanley Kubrick, but because The
Shining, at least in my opinion,it's not a movie that is overtly
scary in the sense that it's notgoing to catch you off guard and
give you that sudden rush of adrenaline.
It's just a movie that is very unnerving.

(48:38):
The whole time you feel like there is something wrong.
And I think a big reason for that is because Stanley Kubrick
really utilized Steadicam. This was kind of revolutionary
when he did it. This was in 1980.
But constantly throughout The Shining, there's so many scenes

(49:01):
where it's just the camera moving through hallways, where
it's moving through this big room that Jack is in, trying to
type. And it's just so unsettling
because it puts you in the placeof the camera in many ways.
Your perspective is the lens, right?

(49:23):
So because of the use of the Steadicam, every single time
you're just doing these slow droning shots down the hallway
and you're turning the corner and you never really know what
you're going to see because 90% of the time nothing happens.
But every so often you get something.

(49:45):
And again, I don't. I wouldn't say it's terrifying.
It's just disturbing in the sense that you look at it and
it's an image that you think I don't like this.
I think the creepiest scene in The Shining is actually where
Jack sees the door to one of therooms open, and in there he sees

(50:11):
a guy. I'm not sure how to say this in
a way that is not going to get us disincentivized by the
algorithm, but this guy is basically getting serviced
orally by another guy in a dog or a bear costume.

(50:36):
It's one or the other. That is one of the most
disturbing images in The Shining, and it's really not
anything that's I think a lot ofpeople would associate with
traditional horror. It's just because of the way
that Kubrick is able to not justshoot the movie, but tell the
story and constantly build this sense of unease and tension that

(51:00):
when anything really shows up onscreen, it stays with you.
Because most of the time it doeslull you into this false sense
of security. Even though the point of The
Shining is more or less to create a sort of low level
anxiety rather than have you feel like you're panicking for

(51:24):
the entire runtime. Yeah, that's that's a great
horror. Sorry.
That's a great horror movie trick.
Honestly, you don't get pay off for like the building in
suspense. And right when you think it's
going to happen, nothing happens.
And instead of because what thatdoes is basically it builds you
up. You're getting the feelings.

(51:45):
And when nothing pays off, you stay, those feelings stay with
you and they just grow and grow and grow and make you feel more
and more uncomfortable. But when something scary
happens, you're like, OK, it's over.
So you relax and those feelings go down.
So it's a, it's a, it's a trick in horror to just basically

(52:06):
build something up with no payoff, just to have you stay
with those emotions longer. Yeah, and I don't know that
anybody has done that better than Stanley Kubrick in The
Shining, No. I don't think so.
I think Adam Fowler in Uncut Gems.
It's not a horror movie, but that movie it.
Is very tough. It has like, yeah, from like how

(52:28):
you were describing The Shining.It has that movie.
Uncut Gems left me very unsettled from beginning to end,
I will say. Though I think Uncut Gems is
kind of the opposite in the sense that it's a very fast
moving film. And maybe that's I'm not.
Saying it's not unsettling. Right.
But maybe that's why it's unsettling because it's fast.
So I just feel like oh shit, next to you next.

(52:50):
To gems is like A2 hour. It's not quite doing injustice,
but it's like a 2 hour panic attack.
It's a 2 hour long 4 hour movie or a two hour long 4 hour movie.
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
That's. A nice descriptor.
You threw me off of that just because my first thought when
you said it's like uncut jams. I'm like, what horror movie?

(53:11):
Yeah. And that was not, I know it's
not, I know it's not. But it threw me off because I
was like, wait, wait, is that considered?
Why is that considered a horror?Movie.
I mean, we're talking about horror movies.
Off the loop, sorry. Horror movies like Aliens,
Aliens. I like that movie where it's
like it's kind of psychological and like supernatural or maybe
that's supernatural but aliens amonster esque.

(53:32):
Just like science fiction and science fiction.
I like sci-fi horror. I would consider alien body
horror. Yeah, like I, he means stuff.
Because. I don't think, I don't think
it's gory. I I see what you're saying.
The the reason that though is because I think the the reason

(53:52):
the first Alien is so good is because it does have those
layers to it. Like I said when I said at the
beginning of this conversation that I like elevated horror
stuff that has interesting themes or just an engaging
story. What I mean when I say Alien is

(54:13):
body horror. What makes the first Alien so
interesting is the way that I interpret it is that there is so
much to the movie that is more or less about impregnation,
specifically male pregnancy. I think that's what we see in
the first Alien, which is why it's so.

(54:34):
Seahorses disagree with you. Because even if you look at the
shape of of certain things in Alien, when they visit that
planet, whether it's the ship orsome of the stuff inside, it's
all very, some of it's phallic, some of it is more
representative of the female anatomy.

(54:56):
So I think Alien has this layer to it that makes it a lot more
interesting, which is why I think it's a it works as a
horror film. But I would say it is body
horror in the sense that it is primarily the idea about first
being attacked by the face hugger and it is in some way

(55:21):
causing some sort of conception within you.
Yeah. And then you've got the Aliens,
which, what was it? I forgot who was the director
for Ridley Scott? Ridley Scott, he made it the
made them hard to see on purposejust because when you saw them
in full view they looked fake obviously.

(55:43):
But the first one came out in the 70s, so.
But that was a good use of. Camera work.
That was a great use of camera work and just making everything
in shadow, you barely being ableto see them actually work in
favor. Yeah, because it builds up.
It builds like the horror and suspense like oh shit.
I can't really see them. They're in the dark.
They can see you but you can't see them.
And it really it was a good aspect for that horror movie and

(56:07):
honestly, I enjoyed it. I don't think I enjoyed any of
the other actually. I did enjoy Part 2 as much as I
did the first one, but. How do you feel about like DDD
list of horror movies? Give me examples.
I'm glad you asked. D List Horror.
Movie. So you know how like Winnie the

(56:27):
Pooh recently came out? Oh fuck.
That. Dude, I need to watch that.
Game of the the copyright, whatever.
Yeah. Public domain.
I for them to be like Winnie thePooh.
No, I saw the first one. Was it?
How was it, bro? It's bad, but you know it's
gonna be bad. But it's just it's funny.
It's funny bad. Exactly.
That's why I don't watch it. Yeah, but so this goes into my

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thing where I'm saying that thisis AAD list horror movie.
And I say hello budget. You know it is, everyone knows
it is and. I don't watch that to get
scared. I watch that to laugh, if I'm
being honest, Just like Steamboat Willie.
I think they were making, they made a horror movie on that.
I wanted to watch it, but it wasn't showing around here.

(57:10):
And honestly, that's not the kind of movie that I'm like, I
want to go out of my way and watch.
I'll watch it. I'll definitely watch it right
with some popcorn and left my ass off.
So just like craving, you also love these trash horror movies.
I won't watch any horror movie honestly.
You sound like you sound like a horror movie whore.

(57:30):
Pretty sound like a horror whore.
Exactly. Except for gore porn.
I won't watch You're Not a horror Whore for gore porn.
Now put the trying to be clever.World we're To be honest, I
don't. Like gore porn?
I think there's no, I don't likeit.
He's Bosh terrorizer though, so you can I do think people I I

(57:55):
didn't hear about terror fire till the second one came out.
Terror fire, I kept saying. Like terrorizer.
Yeah, it's terror fire. Well, it's not a real word, so
fair enough. I think the second one came out
in 2022 or 23. It was such a huge phenomenon
that I just decided I feel like I have to see what this is

(58:16):
about, so I watched the first one did.
You find out why people loved it.
No, honestly, I don't get it at all.
I don't get it at all really. I watched the first one and I'm
gonna be honest, I kind of like the first one the most because
it's so low budget. It looks like complete shit,
yeah. But.
But it there's something about it that honestly feels so

(58:40):
surreal. It's such a fever dream that the
movie it shot so poorly that, yeah, it feels like this could
happen on just the worst night of your life.
Right. So I oddly think the first one
is actually the best. But I will say, yeah, obviously

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things like the budget and the acting get better in two and
three, but. It just is that I charm.
It does. It loses the charm terrifier.
What you want? You never corrected me when I
said it like 16 times. I don't like being that guy.
I've been accused of being the grammar.
You can with me because like this is this is like you.

(59:22):
You're free to correct me on he gives you his movie titles on
movie. Yes.
Like if you consent to correct me on movie titles.
Especially because you know thatthat matters.
OK, fair enough. The point is, I just think
terrifier it, it becomes such a numbing exercise to the point

(59:43):
where, well, the only way to getto those movies is to just laugh
at them because it's just so over the top, so gory, so
ridiculous. Some people have called them
snuff films. I don't disagree honestly.
I don't disagree, but at the same time, it's just so much

(01:00:05):
that I'm just like, all right, like this is what the movie is,
let's just get it over with. Like it's just, it's such a
numbing experience to me. I don't.
Congratulations. Dude, I love hearing this from
you. I don't like seeing all the gore
and stuff, but at the same time it's just the volume of it is so

(01:00:26):
ridiculous and terrifier that it's just like all.
Right. I haven't watched it, but I've
heard all of this and I'm just like, now I'm gonna watch it.
I'm gonna watch it just it's notmy favorite genre, but it's like
if I got if it got this reactionout of you, I have to watch it
the. First one, like I said, picture
the word grime. That's what the first one is
shot like. It just looks like complete ass

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and there's something charming about.
It. Yeah, exactly.
It's like a total fever dream. That's what's great about horror
movies, a starting director. That's the that's the place you
could go because yeah, if it sucks, people will still love
it. I.
Want to say I'm not, I'm not throwing shade to the director
of these movies at all. I just think that obviously when

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you do make your first movie, you're not gonna have a ton of
resources. No, you're not.
Yeah. But I think that's kind of
what's good about horror movies,is I think any aspiring
filmmaker could get their friends together and make a
horror movie over the weekend. That's gonna be our goal for our
100th episode. I don't say that.

(01:01:32):
Well, don't. Don't put down the mic.
I have a script for one. Honestly, I.
Feel the pressure. We just need the cast.
Exactly, dude could definitely do it.
It's like just have some fun. So I get some guests to join in
and just like I said, like it's gonna suck like the script.
Not with me directing. Earlier in the episode, I've

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never directed anything in my life.
But I understand what the objective of the director is.
That's you know what, I'm probably giving myself too much
credit, but I honestly believe if I were to direct something,
people would watch it and say, OK, this guy clearly has like
the cinematic vision. He just does not have the the
equipment. That's.

(01:02:16):
The the biggest? Like a young samuraimi.
Equipment. With the Evil Dead franchise.
OK, for he made it. Look at that, he made.
That tie in, wow, he made it. Work.
Don't have the resources, you don't have the locations, the
ability to get there and then organizing everything, all of
that. Those are big issues when it
comes to movies. So even if the script is

(01:02:36):
amazing, even if the director isamazing, odds are the movies
going to suck. But you know what?
This that's the great thing about horror movies.
Even if it sucks, it has its charm and people can appreciate.
It fair enough. I'm not saying that if we made
this short film that it would beamazing.
I'm saying with me directing, people would watch it and say
this is trash. But this Dylan guy, he has the

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vision. If you're, that's.
What I mean because I watch too many short films on YouTube and
for for the love of God guys, why aren't you shooting these
wide? OK, don't shoot movies in a 16
by 9 aspect ratio that is not cinematic.
That's part of the reason most short films look terrible

(01:03:22):
because you don't know how to make them look cinematic.
And the the most simple thing you can do is to shoot wide do a
239 to 1 aspect ratio because itgives it the cinematic look.
And secondly I would say is you actually need to shoot in 24

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frames by second. Don't let your love of video
games fool you. Anything higher than 24 frames
per second in a film looks terrible.
Damn. See, that alone proves that if I
were to shoot a short film like it would at least have the look.
Right. If anything, you've got any
people interested in watching you fail, so when you prove them

(01:04:05):
wrong, it'll be great. But I was going to say something
else. To the audience members, don't
let your dreams just be dreams. If you want to shoot in Zack
Snyder 4 by 3 aspect ratio, you shoot in Zack Snyder 4 by 3
aspect ratio. Did you not like any of the
short films? I sent you the short form?
No, I. Hate it?

(01:04:26):
Horror movie films? No, you said.
See. That's what I'm talking about
though. He.
Hated the mod even if. Conceptually or I think script
wise they actually had potential.
People don't know how to make these short films look like
films. Holy voice crack though.
I just really I'm now I just sound like a which one good

(01:04:48):
snob? What about that one of the
freaking cat with the taking pictures of the camera?
And you know, the mod that was good, see, because there was
actually intention behind that. But see.
I'll send it to you the. Point is, what I'm trying to say
is I'm not even directly mentioning the four by three
aspect ratio like Zach. I'm talking with people when

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they pull out their iPhone and they just shoot it as is the 16
by 9 aspect ratio. Sure, technically it's
widescreen, but it doesn't have the cinematic look.
I guess for the layman, what I would say is when you watch a
movie, there are black bars on the top and the bottom of the

(01:05:28):
screen. Yeah, that's called an aspect
ratio. And when you utilize these
correctly, you frame the shots within the aspect ratio.
That's what makes things look cinematic, not to say good.
Exactly. OK, well let me put it this way.

(01:05:50):
The Batman uses a 2 by 4 aspect ratio.
Now stream on HBO. And part of the reason that
movie looks so fucking good. Because the colors.
Apart from Greg Frazier and the lenses that they used is because
they are framing these shots very specifically to fit the 239

(01:06:14):
to 1 aspect ratio that makes it look like a movie.
Yeah, but, you know, this is their first movie, and it's
better to that they actually tried and failed than to never
have tried at all. It's like OK.
I I agree with. You.
It's a learning experience, which is why we should forget
about making a movie on our 100th episode and just move it
up to #50. Well.

(01:06:36):
Well, the pressure's on. It's.
Like that's. Crazy.
Just get out there and do it because you know what?
When it comes to horror, it's like people will watch it no
matter how bad it is. No, But are we, are we going to
be a horror choke? Are we going to be the dumb
folks who would do who, who stumble and fail at episode 15
when we keep the story and wait until episode 100?

(01:06:58):
I don't want that, that one guy in a horror movie that does
something stupid and dies. You know I was going.
To I was going to say, first of all, you know what?
Minorities that often in horror movies.
I'm not trying to be that one. Hey, dude, bro, remember, No,
I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna.
I had another story, but I wanted.
To go ahead and make my. Point real quick.
Go ahead. I was just gonna say, first of

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all, I thought you were gonna say, Sagard, do we really want
to start with horror? I was gonna say something like,
it's just it wouldn't just be the first.
Like, just because your first movie's horror doesn't mean you
have to continue doing horror movies.
Yeah, it's like. This Is Us.
No it doesn't. There are plenty of directors
who did a horror movie as a first one and then branched down
you. Work with what you have.
Yeah, what you got most? People don't have it.

(01:07:44):
It's like, clearly we do, but you know, it's like, I thought
that was, I thought that was thepoint you were making.
And I realized that it wasn't so.
Hi, I'm Long Shamalong. What A twist.
What were you gonna say? I was gonna make my point about
how things look cinematic, but it's still downloading so we'll

(01:08:07):
probably not go on. Get to get to that, but you know
what that'll be for. That leads me to a great
question to ask you, Kath. Do you think horror movies can
be cinematic? Well.
For one thing, it's like define cinematic.
I'll let you define. Because I did say earlier that
watching a horror movie is best done in the theaters.

(01:08:28):
Just because it just makes. Minecraft play in the movie
theaters. Would you see Minecraft the
cinematic movie? OK, OK.
Cinematic movie for horror? I'm not sure.
No, but I'm asking my question is do you think horror movies
can be cinematic? I think so, but I'm like trying
to think of ones where I would say I'm.

(01:08:52):
Glad you asked. Notes for R 2/20/24.
Easy example right there. It's very easy.
I have not watched. It before in theaters 2025.
Oh, you should watch it. It's a.
Really, it's it's a beautiful film.
It is. I see look at that.
I'm I'm, I'm like doing it rightnow and they called it a film.
You're. Doing recent ones I was like
trying to think of older ones but not so old.

(01:09:14):
Maybe like something from the 2000s was my first thought but
I'm trying to think of once and I honestly can't it's been a
while. Cinematic. 28 days later was.
That cinematic? The very days of narc, of night,
of dark or whatever, I don't like call that.
One cinematic, but it was a great movie.
The Exorcist. I've never watched it in

(01:09:36):
theaters, so I don't know. I was too young.
Down with the dead, yeah, that's.
I would call that a cinematic experience.
The Zack Snyder one. Yeah, I agree with that.
Yeah, cinematic experience. Boom, time is.
It dead dude. Like I'm trying to.
I'm always trying. To come on early 2000s.
I gave it, I know. That was a good one.
That was a good one. It's just that I've seen so many
horror movies that they all kindof blend in together.
But but you know how many horrorzombie movies there have been?

(01:09:58):
But there should be some. Where a guy wakes up from the.
Hospital a lot. He can't exactly be The Walking
Dead. Yeah, The Walking Dead.
But I think they kind. Of blend together.
If a movie is standing magic, itshould like stand out.
There are. Definitely some movies that
stand out, I guess for its own genre and its own thing.
There I'm blacking on the name Sinister.

(01:10:19):
That one stood out. It was an interesting concept,
stood out to me. I enjoyed the first one, not so
much the second one. I'm trying to think, well
honestly like a chapter 1. It's called that cinematic.
Fair enough, but again, the argument that I'll always make

(01:10:41):
and personal, just personal opinion when someone tries
something new. I think that it's always great
to watch it in theaters, for example, but I'm not so much a
fan of sequels in horror movies.Not I mean, don't get me wrong,
there are some horror movies that do some great sequels, but
not for the most part not. That's why actually, that's why

(01:11:05):
I was interested in the contraryin the universe because, you
know, never been done before andI was curious to see how they
would go about doing it right. It's like I know what, for the
most part, I enjoyed it like most of them.
Most of the horror movies I've been, I'd give them a thumbs up.
There are a couple that just didn't click for me personally.

(01:11:27):
Right. And how many country movies have
there been? 47 Three.
It's the only three. I thought there was 4, I could
be wrong. It's coming out.
It's called Last Rites. Oh OK then in chapter 1.
That's the Catholic last rites. Well, yeah, the one before that

(01:11:49):
was The Devil Made Me Do It. So, you know, they had a a theme
going on. The Nun 2.
I haven't watched that just because I watched The Nun 1.
First one was not very. Good.
Yeah. I didn't enjoy it.
It did not capture the horror, the scary aspect of the nun from
Conjuring 2. I think that's where she made
her first appearance. It is did not scare me as much.

(01:12:11):
La Jo Rana didn't scare me as much.
That movie is terrible. That's one of the worst movies.
I've. Ever seen it is legitimately
terribly made? I'm glad I didn't see it then.
Yeah. It's honestly it's not scary if
I'm being honest. I'm like even the jump scares
didn't get me which is rare like.
The only thing I remember about that movie is the umbrella

(01:12:31):
scene. That was the one good scene in.
The I do remember that the one scene that I remember is the
besides the umbrella scene, obviously.
Actually, I remember two more scenes, walking through the
hallway, the little kids walkingthrough the hallway.
I don't know why I remember that, but I know I remember
that, but I don't remember why Iremember it.
And the car scene where they're stuck in the car.

(01:12:53):
Okay, I do. Remember that.
I feel like if they shot it better that would have been so
much better. I.
Feel like we watched it in theaters.
Now that we're talking about it,I think we might have watched it
in theaters. I think I remember that.
Was during our peak movie watching.
We watched a lot of years together.
And you know what, I was always for it whenever Dylan would go

(01:13:14):
come up to me and be like, Victor, do you want to see this
horror movie? And me being desperate, lonely
horror movie fanatic that I I jump at the offer.
I'd be like hell, see, I love you.
It's like I am so alone. It's like no one watched this
horror movies at all. It's just like nobody enjoys.
I asked Jesse and he tells me tofuck off or it's like, no, it's

(01:13:35):
like I can't handle it. Do you want to see me cry?
Cast. Is that what you want to do?
I'm like. Yeah.
What did you. I kind of do.
I mean, it'd be funny. I've asked all I've managed to
get my R elder mutual friends towatch a scary movie with me and
it never went well. Yeah, yeah, They're not fans.

(01:13:56):
I-1 memory. I remember I was watching it
with our friends, but we were wewere at your house and we were
watching. I forgot the movie.
It was, it wasn't a great movie and you guys were all scared and
I wasn't. That doesn't sound like me.
It was a big movie. I don't remember what it was
called. I think it was a Netflix
original or something. Oh my God, that just reminded me

(01:14:20):
of something. I'll bring it up later.
Nice. There's AI.
Didn't flinch. I didn't get scared throughout
all of the years where I heard averbal scream from one of you
guys, but I was in the front, soI didn't see what it was.
But I remember there was a scenewhere the guy he's like, you
know, in in the dungeon hallway and he grabs a rat and he eats
it. And I visibly jerk.

(01:14:41):
That was just like, oh, like, and then and then our friend,
like really? That's what gets you, not the
person climbing on the walls. Not all the horror aspect.
Him eating a rat is what makes you jump and be disturbed.
I'm like bro. Leave it for a question where.
You don't know where that rat's been carrying diseases.
And it's like, honestly, eating a rat, that just sounds

(01:15:02):
disgusting. Like I can't, I'm sorry.
I just can't. It's just just me.
Goosebumps. Eating a bird while you're like,
you know, flooding adrift and like, you know, the black
freighter. That's OK.
Honestly, I didn't like that scene I thought I had.
No idea where that was going. I thought he was gonna make a a

(01:15:25):
reference to is it unbroken? Possibly.
Yeah, the one where he's on the middle of the ship and he eats
sharks and okay, I thought that was the reference.
Shark is considered a delicacy. Most of it is inedible.
But the parts that it doesn't taste good, shark, it is
delicate, it is a delicacy. The the parts that are edible
are considered delicacy, but most of it is an edible.

(01:15:47):
I love to go shark hunting. I.
Would eat a shark. Yeah, I won't.
Like it because it's just that line of thinking is what causes
is causing their population to decrease maybe maybe.
I mean, I wouldn't do it, I would say.
Go shark hunting and you end up getting hunted.
You know that? That's like the plot line for
like 100 different movies that I've seen.
Yep. Maybe he wants his own version

(01:16:08):
of Jaws. You know what?
That's, I mean, I do. Yeah, exactly.
That's how you get inspiration. The movie we go out to the.
Track to the ocean, we throw youin the water.
It's like you out swim a shark. You come out like your heart is
beating faster and you're just like cast.
I know what I want to film. Would you?
Would you consider just a horrormovie or what would that be?

(01:16:29):
What would that? Would you do multiple thriller?
I feel like it would be multiple.
Genres. I think it just.
Yeah, it's multi genre but like what?
Would you like a thriller then? Thriller more Thriller less?
No, not body horror, not monster.
I think it is a profound thriller slash drama, but if you
wanna be cute, you could call ita creature feature.
That's. Cute.

(01:16:49):
I forgot that I forgot that that's its own genre.
But like piranhas. 3D you know, like.
Oh my. God, but that is like, so where
do you where do you classify these deep sea creature movies?
It depends on the creature I guess.
Piranhas 3 DI was not 3. DI remember that that's how it

(01:17:11):
was marketed. If I remember correctly, I
don't. Remember anything about that
movie? I think I watched titties.
Did I watch? They don't watch that.
That's. Every horror.
Movie. Yeah, not like Friday the 3D
bro. I think I watched that in
theaters with the both of you. That doesn't sound like me.
Was that the actually? You know what?

(01:17:33):
Maybe I think so. We might, yeah.
That when we went to the parkinglot and Jesse landed on
someone's car. No, no.
A different one movie was not, oh, 2009.
Parts of the. Character, Those parts of the
character that was my fault, I gave him a shit throw.
I'm sorry. That was so.
Funny. Don't be sure, I'll do better

(01:17:54):
next time. He needs listen.
OK. This was like over 10 years.
Ago, by the way, dude, that it was so.
Long ago, like 2011, yeah. 14 years ago.
Wow. But honest 3D Honestly I forgot
about that movie so. Not a horror.

(01:18:15):
Movie just like a It's a horror movie, yeah, but.
That's a fair question though, about Jaws.
Well, I guess like Jaws, less sohorror, more so I like like
thriller. I think more.
Torch. But I think piranhas would be
like, OK, that's more body holes.
Here's the. Question.
Thriller with aspects of horror.What about Jurassic Park?
Cuz I I definitely wouldn't consider that horror, but.

(01:18:37):
I OK then. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
I think that I think that's important.
It's closer to Jaws, yeah. Feature, yeah.
Thriller. Definitely thriller.
Yeah, more so thriller suspense and not necessarily horror.
You could have a horror. Element, but I'd say that
Jurassic World, what was the second one?
Is that the munition falling, the falling Kingdom?

(01:18:59):
Is it the second one? But that one had aspects of
horror I think. I consider that one a horror.
Once they got to the house. Yeah, I did.
I loved it. I love that new take on it.
Actually that's not true becausethey did horror in the cold open
of that movie where there's a lightning strike that was C Rex
getting closer. That's like one of the few
sequences in the Jurassic World trilogy that I think is

(01:19:22):
brilliantly directed. I watched this with theater and
theaters with him, and he was just like nudging his, like,
that was amazing. Yeah.
And I'm just like, yeah, I know,dude.
I loved it. It was so good.
This was when we would watch movies together, but when we.
Still do me. I mean not recently I think.

(01:19:43):
He means what's? Cuz you took a mental health
thing, You're sick. Because I I I took a precipitous
drop after the pandemic. We all did.
How often I go to the theater. To be fair, we went a little
too. We went too often to the
theaters. Nah, I had money to spend.

(01:20:04):
Nice, I so did I, but I mean we went more than 52 * a year.
Yeah, that sounds like a great time.
So we would watch multiple. We had to go multiple times a
week. Sounds like a great time.
Oh no dude, I loved it. But yeah.
There are the worst times to have.
I had a great time. I don't honestly.
Some. People do meth, Other people.

(01:20:27):
It's like, you know what it's like.
Yeah, I turned out pretty good. Hold.
On exactly this is how you steerpeople away from drugs.
You get them into movies, but I was gonna say honestly people,
it's like I would say there's nothing bad about watching a
movie by yourself. It's like, I do agree with that.

(01:20:48):
But honestly, I think I enjoyed movies more when I went to go
watch them with Dylan or I went to go watch them with friends
and they weren't complete assholes throughout the movie
and talked the whole time and actually enjoyed the movie.
It was enjoyable to watch it as A to to watch the movie and to
talk about it afterward. What we liked what, what
direction we think the next movie, if there is a next movie,

(01:21:09):
we'll take it's it's just fun conversations.
And I hope you we also bring those conversations to the
people that are listening. It's like that they they think
that they're asking themselves the same questions that we ask
each other, right? Like what kind of what was your
entry, which entry point into horror movie if you haven't been
and if you haven't been introduced, baptized into the

(01:21:36):
amazing genre that is horror, It's like what the movie would
interest you at least. And like you're like, I kind of
want to give it a try now. Anything like that.
And honestly, if a question for you guys, what movie would you
if for someone that's entering into the horror aspect, what
movie would you introduce them to them that would pull them

(01:22:01):
into the genre without scaring them away?
I am not the person to answer this because like I, I, I'm
still in my, you know, horror discovery phase where I'm trying
to get into it. But I'm, I'm at the point where
I know what I like and know whatI don't like.
So I, I will actively look out for like horror movies that are

(01:22:23):
in my comfort zone, for lack of a better word, versus like
seeking out like, I'm not going to go out of my way to watch the
Saw movies again. Like I saw, I saw a couple of
them and I was like, this is notfor me.
Honestly you can get away with just watching the first one.
Honestly, the first one was really good.
I remember I watched it. But like after that it kind of
becomes like, this is just like just body gore just to be, yeah,

(01:22:47):
just just gore for the sake of gore.
Like other movies, Like I, I love romance movies like romance
comedy or just romance, like a pure romance film.
I'm a I'm a sucker for romance movies.
So when they do a romance with horror, oh, I am there.
Have you guys ever seen Spiral? No.
No spiral, I'd recommend it. I know, I know that that's the
face in Saw universe. It is in Saw universe.

(01:23:09):
It's just something different. I recommend it just because it's
it follows a cop. So you know that the the the
detective aspect of it might interest you.
Yeah. Is it an amazing movie?
Not really, no. But you know what, it's not bad.
Now for you guys that are already into war, I'd recommend
that for you guys. Just good to try it out.
I wish you would be like done itand only recommend me good

(01:23:31):
stuff. You know, like recommend it
because that's not bad. Anything I I like, I could
recommend to you good movies, but you would not want to watch
them just because you'd probablybe too scared yes.
So I can't recommend those to you because if I could, I'd
recommend it to you. I'd like I'd say psychological
horror, dude. It's my it's one of my favorite
psychological. Horrors.

(01:23:53):
Like Hereditary, definitely, that's one that I would
recommend just because I enjoy it.
I have to go down the list. I'm not really sure, but I'll
definitely send you a list of myfavorites for sure.
After which ones I can wrap my head around them, But those
movies I just. Watch the Jordan Peele movies.
Yeah, I haven't seen. Nope.
I don't need to watch that. Nope.

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See, I don't think that one's hard, though.
I think that's Jordan Peele's jaws, oddly enough.
So more. Thriller.
Thriller esque. Yeah, thriller esque.
OK. Fair enough.
I still want to watch it, but. No, it's a great movie.
I just don't think it's pure horror.
Like Get Out, I get it, but. Or even us.

(01:24:35):
Us is such a banger. I know a lot of people don't
like that movie. You're wrong.
Sorry, but see well. For.
Me, one of my other favorite genres is horror comedy.
And most, if I'm being honest, Iprefer it when it's the horror
is used to elevate the comedy. Even though it's called horror

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comedy. I want it to be like 80% comedy,
20% horror, right? That kind of stuff.
And for my recommendation, it's it's still my favorite horror
comedy movie of all time. You guys know it already.
Tucker and Dale versus Evil. Yeah.
I feel like that is the perfect introductory movie.
It's it's so good, dude. Like some people remember a

(01:25:19):
movie when they think of movies,they think of the quotes.
That's like for me, all I can think of is Tucker's eye rolls.
That's the in that movie. Just the him rolling his eyes is
so iconic to me. Whenever I think of that movie,
that's all I can think of and itis enough to make me laugh,
right? Just be good from the context of
the movie. If you watch the movie, which
I'd recommend it, it's not. It's not scary per SE.

(01:25:42):
It is horror, but you know, it'smostly comedy.
It you'll enjoy it because it kind of makes fun of a horror
movie trope, but you don't need to be familiar with, you don't
need to be familiar to that trope to enjoy the movie.
But if you are familiar with it,you'll just be like, oh, that's
that's great. It's like, but you don't have

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to. I think that is a great entry to
a horror movie. It's basically the theme of it
is there are so many evil hillbilly movies out there.
Wrong Turn 124. I think there's a fifth one.
I don't remember that right. There is a mutual, our mutual

(01:26:28):
friend's favorite. He loves that series.
Which movie? Wrong Turn I Not that much of A
friend. They're OK, right?
But I'll watch them. I'll watch them right and not
bad. You know, thinking about this
conversation, like I take back what I said earlier, I think I
can recommend horror movies. This is how I would recommend it
though. Like if you already have a

(01:26:48):
favorite genre just find a horror movie blend of that
genre. So like if you already like.
If you already like superhero movies watch the original Sam
Raimi Spiderman movies. They have horror elements into
it. Doctor Strange and the
Multiverse. Multiverse of Madness, also
directed by Sam Raimi, has some horror elements and within.
Like if if horror movies are toomuch for you, then watch movies

(01:27:11):
that have horror elements that are already within your favorite
subgenre. So I already said I like
romantic movies. Watch romance horror movies.
I've already said Nosferatu so Ididn't throw one out there.
And you actually said let me in.Both of them actually romantic
romantic horrors. Let me in and Nosferatu.
I've been thinking right now just like cuz I just realized
it's like romantic horror. It's not that common.

(01:27:35):
Well it's not that common to have a good movie to it cuz you
do have some bad movies from horror, a romance, comedy, warm
bodies and but. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. But the ones that you know, the
ones you remember that are good,it's not that many Jennifer's.
Body. I forgot about that one.
How could you forget that? Yeah, OK.

(01:27:56):
When you say there's one thing Ican't, I know what you're.
Saying do not forget Jeff and cruddy at all.
OK, I do remember that, but the movie as a whole I.
It's what do you mean by I forgot it.
But going back to it, Tucker andDale versus Evil is basically
evil Hillbillies is such a common trope in horror, but they

(01:28:19):
they turn it on its head. It's like, what if the evil
hillbillies aren't actually eviland it's just a misunderstanding
and that they take that and do wonders of it.
It's it's great the jokes that they come up with.
It all feels natural. It's it's, it might have been
what made me a huge fan of Alan Tudic.

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And then once I after that I looked into him the more and I
realized, oh, he's, he's been inother stuff that I love.
I just didn't know it was him. So that would be what my
recommendation for horror movie just because, like Jesse said,
that one's mostly comedy and with horror movie aspects, you
know, great way to it's a perfect way to ease you into it.
If it's like not if you don't want, if you can't handle 100%

(01:29:04):
horror, find a genre that you like and just find horror
adjacent. And you know what it it worst
case scenario, you know it's something different and it'll
let you appreciate appreciate the genre that you love even
more by seeing it from a different lens.
What about you, Don? Look, everyone, we all know my

(01:29:27):
role here. We all know why I have a seat at
this table. I think when you watch a film,
you need to get something out ofit.
So you should be watching The Shining, The Exorcist, get out,
you should be watching real elevated horror.
But if that is too much for you,if you can't sit down and maybe

(01:29:51):
you're not quite there yet, you can't watch a film and swill
your wine glass Afterwards, you ponder the meaninglessness of
human existence and the hard problem of consciousness.
I'm going to go out on a limb and recommend Insidious.
Just scary enough. But.
I also think there's something to it I like.

(01:30:13):
I'm a big fan of Insidious. The first one, yeah.
I love the first Insidious. I wish James Wan ran with that
franchise instead of The Conjuring, because I think
Insidious had a way more potential.
But part of the reason I find that so interesting is because I
think it's actually scary if youknow some of the science behind
sleep paralysis and Nashville projection.

(01:30:34):
So yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Insidious because
it's just scary enough, but I also think it has some camp in
there that deflates some of the moments because.
Honestly, of all the things you listed, I would have said The
Shining would have been I. Honestly think too that
Insidious has I would say the most iconic horror demon of the

(01:30:55):
20 tens. Darf Maul.
I remember we I watch, I think Iwatch this one in theaters with
you as well. Yeah.
I was such a huge fan. I was so excited.
Part of the I was when they introduced Insidious 2 I was so
hyped up for it. I couldn't wait.
And honestly I only went to watch because I wanted to see

(01:31:19):
the red faced demon. That's the only reason I wanted
to watch it and I was very disappointed.
I think we watched all the first3 Insidious movies in theaters
until it became painfully obvious that they weren't gonna
go back to him. Yeah, we, I, I, I know we at
least Dylan and I, we only watched it 2:00 and 3:00 because
we wanted to see the red faced demon again.

(01:31:42):
And then they they teased it at the end they.
Teased it at the end of every movie until with the one where
they finally bring him back. Quote UN quote.
Which hasn't come out yet. Hasn't it has.
It's just, it's just terrible. I haven't watched it yet, what's
it called? You see chapter. 5 Insidious,
The Red Door. OK, I'm definitely gonna have to

(01:32:04):
watch that one because it's crazy that I haven't heard about
it. I know exactly.
I was really excited for I I I guess I was excited, but at the
same time I wasn't just because it's been so long.
They and they tease you so much in Part 2 and three.
I remember that one scene. It was a jump scare.

(01:32:26):
I think she was in the closet and she pulls it and the red
faced Steven shows up and I was like like everyone jumped scared
and I was just like had the biggest smile on my face.
I was like, finally, it's going to come in.
It's going to be in this episode.
I just know it. That was in the second one.
Yeah, in the second one. And then they didn't show up.
Nope. That's fine.
That's fine. Third one, they they made a

(01:32:47):
reference in the second one, which means it's definitely
going to show in the third one. Nothing.
The only thing we got was the ending scene where she looks up
and she says Oh my God. And I'm like, and then it ends
and I'm just like, OK, first of all, great scene, but horrible
cliffhanger. Dude.
It's like, I'm just like, dude, like you got me so excited cuz I

(01:33:10):
like it was just especially since the red door.
If the red door would have come out probably that the same next
year, I would have been like, that's great, awesome, perfect.
But how many years after the third movie did that movie come
out? Cuz he after that I think he
focused mainly on The Conjuring and he made a lot of conjuring
universe movies. Right.

(01:33:32):
Too many. Yeah, too many.
And loosely connected anyways. Well, not really.
Well, the ones who brought the couple, like for example, La
Yolona is part of that conjuringuniverse.
But it's like that one's like a loose one.
Not really. But he focused mainly on
there's. No Catholic superheroes using

(01:33:52):
the power of Christ to compel you.
Priests. Priests are nerfed in all horror
movies. Honestly, you rarely see, I
mean, I can think of a couple, but that's because I've seen
probably like 1000 horror movies, right?
So, you know, but they're for the most part, usually priests
try to exercise the demon, but they, the demon proves to be too

(01:34:15):
powerful and the priest fails. So, you know, it's actually rare
to see a priest actually beat back the demons.
Unless they were in The Conjuring universe.
I feel like it's extremely common priests to defeat the
demons. I've seen a lot of movies.

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One of the. Reasons I don't like
supernatural horror is because it has this Bible thumper
element where it's as long as you believe you're a man of God
you're going to be fine. Corny.
I I well, it depends. I like when I see a
supernatural. There's not enough Lovecraft in

(01:34:56):
horror movies out there. No, there really is none.
And that's, and that's a crime. There should be a more.
Yeah. I I don't know how familiar you
are with Lovecraftian Lord. Yeah.
Oh, you are. That's great.
It's not all the Lord. It's great.
Not. Oh, really.
Yeah. Do you?
Do You do? You do, you do, you do.
You. It's not it's not just a Tulu.
What's that one I? Have a really dumb question but

(01:35:18):
I'm going to wait till you finish.
No, I'll, I'll I forgot the name.
Something in the mountains. It's a love crafting thing.
Dude, it's been so long. In the South Park Mountains or.
No, it's I forget. I forget it.
I can't remember it, but it was because you know what?
Kudulu isn't the only being up there.

(01:35:38):
There are other ones. I can't tell if you're being
serious or you're just saying I bro I know everything.
About the Kudulu mythology. It's awesome, Awesome.
You can actually kick me some time.
Because you know, without we hadto dedicate a whole episode to
that because there's just so much like if you really want to
get to the HP Lovecraft, like all at the like the horror
elements that he inspired, then we, we, we need a separate

(01:36:01):
episode for that. Yeah, that is true.
I do agree with you. But I can't shake this feeling
that you're just like deflecting.
Like you're making good points, but it feels like you're
deflecting and I'm. Do you?
Ask me a question. Card of Lovecraftian lore I know
is the lore that was associated with the first season of True
Detective because they bring in the Yellow King Carcosa.

(01:36:23):
It has this element of cosmic horror to it that I think it's
part of the reason that first season is so much better than
anything else ever made. But the point is, I made it a
point to learn every single thing about that show.
And part of that is Robert Chambers collection of short
stories, The King in Yellow. Read that.

(01:36:44):
So that's really the only thing I know about Lovecraftian horror
apart from the basic stuff. I feel like with love crafting
horror it gives the director more chance to like do cosmic
like be. Creative, cosmic or yeah, like.
Work the can you keep throwing me off these like?

(01:37:05):
OK, I have a question. Let's move on to something else.
We're in a horror movie, a slasher.
Are you surviving? No, Hell's no.
No, I'm surviving 100%. I'm walking out of there fine.
Well, yeah, cuz you're white. That is not what I meant.
That is 100% what he meant. No, it's not.

(01:37:28):
I saw the way you looked at me. No what?
Whoa. What is?
Happening. I'm so glad I wasn't drinking
when you said no. I'm saying.
We're in a slasher. Movie, What are you saying?
The three of us? OK, And let's say let's say
there's one other guy. He's a total dude bro.

(01:37:49):
Oh, he's dying first. And then there's there's three
women. And they're dying second.
Are you walking out of here? Yes.
And it depends. It's like we saw.
You, we saw you as a dude bro and had three women cuz you know
they're gonna die anyway. And you know, there's, there's
plenty of efficiency. We just we.
Just we. Do what needs to be.
Done. So like I'm just like when I
think of like if I'm gonna be inthe slasher film, cuz you know,

(01:38:11):
it's like people don't realize they're in the slasher film
until the 1st body shows up. And it's like if the first body
shows up and it's not me, I'm getting the hell out of there.
Yeah, I was like, I'm, if I think about it, I'm like, I'm
probably gonna be the first body.
As long as I'm walking out of there without a single scratch,
I guarantee it. Get in your car and drive.
I guarantee it. I'm smarter, I know all the

(01:38:34):
tropes and honestly, no, I guarantee you.
OK, one of these dumb motherfuckers tries anything.
I'm kicking his ass. BJJ and Muay Thai?
Come on dude. Man the fuck out of it, yeah.
Dude, that actually reminds me of another movie.
But dude, I have a bag of names right now.

(01:38:57):
Right now, yeah. I really thought the slasher
discussion would go somewhere. No, it's like that depends tell.
Me Why Chucky 3 is your favorite?
Slasher movie. Which one is Chucky 3?
I don't know. I really don't.
I remember Chucky one. I remember Chucky 2 Chucky's
bride, son of Chucky Chuck was was Chucky's brides on the

(01:39:19):
Chucky's tell me. Why?
The slasher sub genre is an indictment of how we as a
society objectify women as they are always given the most brutal
death scenes. Feel like that's everything in
general. I mean, there was a whole trope.
And I was just like just thought, well, sorry, go ahead.
I was it called, I think it camefrom DC's Green Lantern, where

(01:39:43):
his girlfriend was thrown into the refrigerator.
I don't remember that at all. But it's this whole thing about
you lose the main character loses their girlfriend to propel
the story so. Oh fridging.
Yeah, yeah, that I feel like that's a common aspect in a lot

(01:40:03):
of different types of movies, but especially more in horror
movie where you have your to stereotypes like the dumb blonde
dies. The the the couple dies and
while performing. An acts of service.
An acts of service? Yeah.

(01:40:24):
Acts of service. Consensual acts of services.
If you're a minority, you're notsurviving horror films.
I'm sorry. Yeah.
Dylan. What you'll survive, I'll make
sure you survive. You know what, they don't do

(01:40:44):
that as often in horror movies. And I actually like it where
they're like one of the friends is injured and they help them
like survive throughout the movie.
I, I know a couple of movies have done it and honestly, I
enjoy it from I, I do enjoy those.
It's like they, they should do more like that.
It's like you don't get any likeyou.
You get couples together surviving, but you never get a

(01:41:07):
pair of friends surviving. Good point.
It's like 1 friend always has tosacrifice themselves for the
other friend. That's unfortunately true, I
think. I can't think of many examples
where there are surviving friends.
That's a little odd. Yeah, pretty much.
Dude. Movies aren't kind to

(01:41:29):
friendships. They're always thrown to the
side. Bro I feel the same way.
That's why like my friend is theone I watch Fantastic Four with
me. It makes me feel like he's just
throwing our friendship to the side, you know?
I I might have to just to get. There's the Galactus popcorn
bucket. It's don't pull up.
It's a great incentive. And you know what?
It's like it. No, not necessarily.

(01:41:51):
I, I, I might watch it with friends.
You just wouldn't be that friend.
That's crazy. I'm your only friend.
Mess up. You're the Wilson to my house.
You are. I'm sorry.
It's just like, because you always say that to me.
So I was like, I thought you were going to be offended that

(01:42:12):
he said it to me. No.
I dropped that gimmick years ago, yeah.
A joke is only funny after a while, like too much repetition
and. You can't beat this dead horse
to oblivion. I got strong caps.
I sure I'm like Captain America.I can do this all day.

(01:42:34):
So how many movie references have we made today?
It's great, I love it. Not enough, not enough.
Here's the next one, but I thinkyou can tell by like the how
scatterbrained this episode is that there's just a lot about
like horror films that you love and appreciate.
And there's there's just like a lot of elements that they do.

(01:42:55):
That's kind of hard to just specifically talk about 1 aspect
of horror without talking about another aspect of horror.
Especially you, Mr. I've watched1000 plus.
Horror. That was a hyperbole.
I've only watched like 2. I I have watched too many,
unfortunately, to the point where if I don't watch a horror
movie, people look at me like you haven't watched it.

(01:43:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's 10% movie that I haven't watched,
unfortunately, especially if it's recent.
I haven't seen a recent horror movies.
But if it's an old horror movie or the 10 years ago that came
out, that came out 10 years ago,that's very likely that I've
seen it, right. But if it's a new one I have,
I've missed quite a bit. For example, it's like, well,

(01:43:38):
Dylan said it was not a horror movie, but you know, up to that
point, US was horror. So you kind of expected Nope to
be yeah, horror. It's like it was a trend.
So I thought it would be. I was very excited to watch it.
I just missed the chance to watch it.
I'm going to. It's an amazing movie, dude.
I've seen. I remember I watched one clip

(01:44:02):
from it in YouTube that's like, I'm like changed your life.
I saw it and I was like, why haven't I already watched this?
And I made sure to dislike everyother video so I wouldn't get
any more shorts cuz I'm like if I'm gonna watch this cuz that's
happened to me a lot. I get YouTube shorts of a movie.
So but if they're movies I've already watched and as I'm
watching shorts, I'm reminded ofwatching it, I'm like, this is a

(01:44:25):
good movie. I should watch it again.
You know what else is on YouTubeShorts Below the Line podcast,
Yes. Sponsored by Below the Line Body
Yeah, the Live. Podcast, yes.
It's like then nobody's in Hollywood.
Yeah, it's going to be hard to find shorts from this episode.
Sponsored by the Contrarians of the World, the Common Man of the

(01:44:48):
World, and whatever the hell I am.
We love all of them. A Disney adult who hates
animation, Yeah, who has recently bought tickets to go
back to Disneyland, feeding moreinto the.
Union machine where you were just you were gonna let me push
back and then you had Yeah, yeah, that.

(01:45:10):
That's what that's how he does it.
You're he, he attacks you and you're, you're getting ready for
the comeback. And then he says something like.
I was getting ready. He says just something out of
left field. Throws you off that this is like
a slashing movie. Like I I just slashed at you and
just kept on slashing. Pretty much, yeah.
It's. Like I just, I just gave you an

(01:45:31):
onslaught of slashing. You, you, you, you.
You slashed me with a knife and I before I could punch you back,
you hit me with a rubber dog andleft me stunned.
That's beautiful. I love that.
Yeah. Like.
That's a very vivid image. Of what just happened.
Do you drive a Jeep or how do you know that?

(01:45:54):
Shut up. Speaking of animation.
He actually drives a Dodge Challenger Hellcat you're.
Gonna rat me out like that. Yeah, Oh my God, what color is
it? Purple.
It's actually gun metal grey. With the tint of purple.
He's colorblind, don't listen tohim.
You're gonna view and expose himlike that on the pod.

(01:46:16):
Wow, that's crazy man. Like.
Speaking of Dylan's hatred for animation on.
Now I'm so glad you get. It yeah we're going to take a
turn for all of you that maybe you know what maybe you don't
like horror you found this a discussion uncomfortable we're
going to change it up for episode 14 and do and speak

(01:46:40):
about animatronics taking over the world we're talking Wally I
robot it's not a. Pixar.
It's not even animated. It's a joke.
OK, We're going to be talking about our episode 14 will be
about Pixar movies. So, you know, a feel good movie

(01:47:01):
completely different from today's discussion and horror
movie. It's like, Can you imagine?
It's like watching and having a discussion on Invincible and
Terrifier in the same sentence. Yes, I'm sure you guys would
find a way. You know what?
Maybe. But yeah, well, we're gonna go

(01:47:25):
for a lighter topic and speak about Pixar movies.
The ones we enjoyed, the ones that changed our lives, the ones
that maybe some people don't like, but we like it just
because of a nostalgia, which, you know, probably not the case
because Pixar usually has a lot of WS rare else.

(01:47:46):
You know, I look forward to thatfor our episode 14.
And if this interested you, justknow that I will try my best to
do another horror themed episode, hopefully with more
structure you have. More structure.

(01:48:06):
I'll give you more. Structure.
We're all over the place. It's like we, I was all over the
place. But like, it's just such a heavy
topic because there's so much totalk about.
But you know what? Maybe for if we ever do another
one, psychological horror. And you know what?
Well, we'll break it out. It won't have to.
It doesn't have to be movies. It could be TV shows, any, any

(01:48:29):
medium. It could be a book, right?
Have you read any horror books? I got.
Robert Chambers, bikini and yellow.
I was gonna like you. You already told us that I've.
Read it. Yeah.
But anything outside of? Movies.
I doubt it. I did read a book that later

(01:48:52):
became a horror movie I like. I'm more of a nonfiction.
Guy, what about you, this guy? This guy for Tennessee reads
what? I do read.
For free. Have you never read?
Man's search for meaning first. First he hates animation,
finding Debra, then he thinks Disney war, then he thinks

(01:49:13):
having. A bookshelf with books on it
makes them a reader. I'm joking.
I don't have a lot of experiencewith reading horror.
I guess horror manga. Like I've read some horror
manga. But in terms of just what's his
name again? Juju.
No Juju. On that B.

(01:49:38):
I was gonna. I thought you were.
Gonna correct them. I'm like what?
It's like what? I know what you're talking about
like I started Mongard or something.
Isn't it something ito? I think it's.
It is escaping. Me right now, but I know he's a.
Mongard artist who focuses on horror.
They are very disturbing images.Yeah, but in terms of like
reading horror books, no, it's not really my cup up my shtick.

(01:49:59):
But wow, look at you practicing.Like real time what Dylan said,
like, hey, spoilers don't matter.
Spoil the next episode. All right, we're going to see
how we're going to little littleto the expectation right now
that the audience, the audience knows what what's coming next.
You need to get them excited forwhat's to come because I can
assure you even, Oh no, no I'm not.
Even though I gave you this spoiler on the topic Episode 14

(01:50:24):
we will. You will not be disappointed and
you will now expect what? Is going to be said.
These two people sitting at my side as they discuss their love,
their hatred, their overall fascination.
I don't hate Pixar. Pixar, it's I'm just trying to
keep trying to make a speech. Didn't you?
Say like before, before we startrecording.

(01:50:44):
No, he said. Red.
Is like the worst movie. He said the worst thing Pixar
has ever put out. And how Like that's the reason
why you hate animations. OK, OK, I thought you were being
serious. I just say it was pretty
mediocre. I will admit.
My Pixar. Standards. 100% Disney
standards. Like Pixar standards, I'm.
Like I thought you would say. Like no, not.

(01:51:06):
By you would comment. On that but.
And the only reason I'm going toDisneyland is because I'm hoping
that Nomura somehow trapped someextremely.
Vital Kingdom Hearts lower deep within the parks.
My Kingdom Hearts. Oh my, that's, you know, you
should be. He's played.
Every single Kingdom Hearts game.
Yes, I have. He is.

(01:51:28):
An. Avid fan like.
Hyper fan it's. Kingdom Hearts 2 is the best.
JRPG ever made you you talk about entry level this was
Kingdom Hearts was. Dylan's entry into video.
Games fair his love into video games.
Yeah, love, definitely. I don't think it was my.
Introduction. I know.
But I I just. I have played Kingdom Hearts 2

(01:51:50):
Final Mix well over. 80 times. Fuck, he talks to me.
About it a lot, Dan. Yeah, we'll all speed around in
a lot, that's why. Which is surprising.
So I'll just do it in like 3 hours, yeah.
Damn, OK, you know, I can see how you would survive a slasher.
Film. Now you've got the training.
Well, no, it's like we should have the key blade training.

(01:52:12):
We should have you play a horrorgame next.
It's like, you know, it's like. See if he'll survive.
It's like. That'll be his test of survival.
See how long he lasts in a horror game.
Says nothing about my physical or intellectual acumen.
It'll it'll your intellectual acumen.
Your dexterity, your finger dexterity.
You know what that's. Very important in martial arts.

(01:52:33):
It's like, we'll have you play Dead Space.
It'll be great. Remaster.
Fair enough. That'll be fun.
Yeah. So like that's going to be
interesting to see. Now.
Spoiler alert because cast already put it out there.
But yeah, hoping to we're going to transition from like this
doom and gloom topic that is horror into a lighter episode.

(01:52:55):
Filled. With sunshine and rainbows, I
feel like I guarantee you if youwanna believe Jesses narrative,
it'll be a good one because I'm a.
Disney Adult. Yeah.
And to make it even better for you, it's gonna be a family
friendly episode. There will be no cursing next
episode. Absolutely none whatsoever.
Guarantee horror is not for everybody.

(01:53:17):
It's certainly. It's certainly not for me, but
if you. If you were if I were to try to
convince someone to get into horror, like I said earlier, I
would recommend they watch something adjacent to what they
already like. So you like romance?
Watch your romantic horror like action.
Watching a horror action movie. I think that's very good advice.
Yeah. Solid advice.
Yeah, very solid. It's all I'd do on this podcast.

(01:53:40):
It's just give no. Solid it just.
Lost wisdom. Yeah, it's like everything you
say is always right 100% withoutany context.
Without anything and whenever I'm not right because I'm left.
But anyways, thank you guys for.Coming in and listening to this
experience. I hope you enjoyed How Random.
Scattered everything was I hope I hope you enjoyed the contrast

(01:54:04):
how the how scatterbrain everything was today.
I guarantee you, besides having no curse word.
Whatsoever in the Pixar episode,it's going to be clinical and
structured as fuck. I want the contrast to be there.
Exactly. Me too.
Black and white, just complete opposite.
But anyways, ladies and gentlemen.
Boys. And girls in the crowd, thank

(01:54:26):
you for sitting down. And talking film with us.
This is below line podcast featuring your exuberant array
of host Samoa Just We Castro, Dylan.
And we are the nobodies of Hollywood.
And thank you for sitting down with us.
And and, you know, talking. Like.

(01:54:47):
Talking some chop talk about film, Yes.
Thank you for listening everybody.
That's all for today. Catch you next time.
Peace plants no say.

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