Jurassic World Rebirth: Evolution or Extinction?

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20/22/22? Damn, really?

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Shit. All right, this is Below the
Line podcast episode 22, and today we're going to be talking
about a movie that just came outstreaming last week.
So very relevant. Yes.
So if you didn't catch it in theaters like I didn't, then you
can just stream it at home like I did.
Yeah, it it's one of the major July summer blockbusters that we

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had. It was actually the first of the
big three movies to release and also the highest grossing.
Dylan was like looking forward to the movie more than Superman.
I don't think that's true, but II was honestly, maybe, I think I

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might be on record saying I always thought this was going to
make the most money. I don't know.
I think you did say that I might.
Have said that on a previous episode, but yeah it is
currently out grossing both Superman and Fantastic Four.
Yep, because people really, really fuck with dinosaurs.

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And if that kid didn't give it away, Yeah, if.
You've never figured it out by now, then.
We're talking about in today's episode, we're talking about the
soon to be classic Jurassic World rebirth.
Rebirth and by. Classic.
I mean, I don't mean a classic. I use that word very ironically.

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He means classic in the same waythat the movie Crawl is a
classic. I haven't seen Crawl so I don't
know if I should agree or disagree.
With that thing, it's AB movie about alligators, OK.
Yeah, well, there's at least AC Movie.
Having good CGI does not make you AB Movie.
I'm sorry Studios. Sorry Hollywood.
I gotta be the first one to say it, but the CGI in this movie

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was fucking shit. And OK, I shouldn't say it was
shit, but I'd there were parts of the movie where it kind of
like took me out of it, where I I knew it was CGI And I was
like, I really wish like they would have used some of like the
animatical effects. Because when I looked up this
movie afterwards, like the wiki,I did see that.

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Yeah. Like this is like the movie
where they completely moved towards like all CGI.
There were like some practical effects or props used during
filming, but then those were alllike wiped out and like replaced
with CGI dinosaurs. So it's like everything, all the
dinosaurs were CGI. Really.
Yeah. Interesting.
And yeah, at some parts I I think like the opening part

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where like the family is on their boat and they get turned
over by that dinosaur. When I was watching that, I was
like, this is kind of looking CGI.
Yeah, I know it's CGI, but I don't know, I just felt that
either I'm getting too used to like how CGI looks or whatever,
or like it's just not as believable as it used to be.

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Like in this movie it one of thefucking dinosaurs look like a
fucking alien from the movie. Alien.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, I get it, they, they,
they take inspiration from that,but it's like, come on, it
didn't even look that good. OK, see, it's interesting that
you brought that up, because I don't, I'm not gonna make the
argument that the dinosaurs looked great, but I do think

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there were some shots in the movie that were actually kind of
pretty to look at. Whoa guys, we have a we have a
dinosaur fan over here. That might be apparently a hot
take, now that I hear you. Talk about the CGI.
No, you sound like the exact kind of person that would

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support this film and be part ofthe reason why.
But it's one of the highest there was highest movie grossing
films of the year. There were a few shots in there
where I thought, wow, this movieis kind of pretty.
It's too. Bad.
That the story just doesn't support it.
You know, I'll give you that. Like I'm going to give you a
hard time, but I'll give you that.
Like there were some shots were especially when like they reuse

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like the the classic, like the tune, like the the the
soundtrack of like, yeah, when they see like something like
there's like a scene in the movie where they run into like a
birth. They see some like big
dinosaurs, but like the friendlydinosaurs, not the, not, not
the, the T rexes and the ones that are going to eat them.

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They see like the cool, the the Land Before Time dinosaurs and I
and I, you know, the score starts playing in the background
and everyone's in in amazement and bewilderment.
Like look at these dinosaurs. Yeah, I can see why like some
people, some people could say like those shots are pretty.
They they look cool, even if they felt like a RIP off of they

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felt like a RIP off of like the first movie.
Like everything with this movie,not I shouldn't say everything,
but I feel like a lot of what this movie try to do was
basically do what the first movie did.
And I'm kind of tired of seeing that in movies, especially like
in this movie, like in this franchise, like this is already
movie 7 and that's crazy. Yeah, it's like star.

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It's like when Star Wars like what one of the movies try to
like redo, capture the magic of like the original trilogy.
Like it it doesn't work. Stop.
Just do come on, you have fucking dinosaurs.
Do something cool with them. And the way the last movie
ended, Dominion, like, you know,dinosaurs escaped.
They're everywhere now. We as society must get used to
them. How's this movie open?

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Dude, I hated that. How's this movie open?
I hated that. How does this movie open four
years later, or three years later, or whatever?
They're all fucking dead. Yeah, like dinosaurs have like
they should only survive in one like, you know, climate,
climatic environment, which is like like near the equator or
whatever 'cause you know, it's like the hottest or it's like

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the the most it's the weather suited to like their, their
environment. Dude, just sorry, random
interjection. No, go ahead.
But how many times did they haveto remind us that the dinosaurs
only live near the equator? I swear that specific line of
dialogue must have been used well over 10 times.

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Yeah, no, they, they, they. Like they really drove that
home. Yup.
It's like they only live here. And I just thought that was so
dumb because one first of all, these are supposed to be these
are not even like the original dinosaurs like in the original
Jurassic Park. These are all like hybrid or
mutated like genetically modified dinosaurs.
I think since, since the, since the start of the Jurassic World

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franchise, all the dinosaurs brought back have been like
modified or whatever. Like they're genetically
enhanced fucking blue. Like the, the, the, the
velociraptor, whatever from fucking Star Lord's dinosaur.
Like he was a genetically modified dinosaur.
So like this whole oh that you only survive, survive in this

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climatic region of the world that we risk, you know, go do
this voyage to get to. I just thought it was dumb and
it was kind of like a lazy way to reset the universe because,
you know, if dinosaurs escape, then are living everywhere as of
Jurassic World Dominion. But then every birth turns out
they can only live in this certain area of the world, which

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means you're safe living anywhere else.
It kind of just resets the universe back to Jurassic Park
where it was just like an islandand only dinosaurs thrived here
everywhere else. Like if you lived in Florida,
you're fine. You just got to watch out for
the Gators. You don't got to watch off like
the velociraptors or the what's the what's the flying 1, the
queso quadel, whatever. Yeah, I'm just like a big time

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hater on this on this episode for this show.
And rightfully so, because Dylankind of hyped up this movie and
I thought it was going to be refreshing.
I don't know if I hyped. It up, he hyped it up because
Dylan was like, yeah, I fuck with dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs are so fucking cool. Drastic world rebirth to make
the one of the crystal. OK, dinosaurs are cool.
First. First.
Of all. There he goes again, happy.

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Name me a cooler animal than a dinosaur.
A platypus. They're interesting.
I don't know if they're cool chicken.
Arguably like like they're related to dinosaurs they feed.
Us. See, I don't disagree.
Well, I'm glad you said that 'cause I was about to make that
we. Feed them I think.
Chickens are the greatest animalin terms of the food that they

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provide. Yeah, was that some?
You eat a dinosaur? Exactly.
You know I can't say I have. Right.
I can't even imagine how like how that type of meat would
taste like, but we're getting off.
Ah man, that'd be really. Gamey.
That's what I'm thinking. Like it'd be like, like even
like just like a reptile. I'm like, that'd be really

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interesting. Don't they eat snake in certain
parts of the world? Though I think so yeah, some
some parts of the world like they eat something rough.
Yeah, I I could never but that'sjust me and my me speaking from
like, you know, my my first world, the.
Sheltered existence, yeah. Of like, you know, I don't hunt
for my meat. I just buy at the grocery store.

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Yeah, me too. Although I would love to like
one day, you know, hunt my own meat, like like do a Joe Rogan
and. Go out hunting.
Go out. Yeah.
Damn, yeah, I think. That'd be pretty tough.
OK, fair enough. See, I've always wanted to go
shark hunting because of Jaws, not to eat it just because I'm

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like, oh, I got to do it right. But I also don't want to get
arrested, so that's not me confessing to anything.
Yes, yes, we're not confessing to anything at all.
This is just pure entertainment.Yes, I I actually love Jurassic
World. I'm just, I'm just talking to
Shay for entertainment value. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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So OK, I'm just going to say that I agree with your sort of
assertion that they they really robbed Rebirth, and not just
Rebirth, but the whole franchiseof a lot of opportunity by
basically just killing off all the dinosaurs from Dominion.
Because I think if you do want to continue the Jurassic Park

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World franchise, whatever you want to call it now, you need to
take it in a different direction.
And to me, the most obvious direction is to let them run
wild. Yeah, like 10, Yeah, like 10 of
the apes style. Like let the dinosaurs take
over. Like that would have been sick.
Yeah, like, let's see what it's like when all of these animals

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that we perceive as terrifying, like bears or tigers or lions,
oh, my. You know what happens when they
come face to face with the true greatest predators that ever
walk the Earth? Like, yeah, I think that'd be a
hell of a lot scarier. Like you said, depending on
where you live, you might have to be fearful to just live

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there. Yeah.
Because, I mean, what if you live in AT Rex Climate?
Like, I, I mean, people are. So I shouldn't say scared
because there are a lot of like outdoor enthusiasts, but I think
it's fair to say that a lot of our culture is sort of fearful

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of the the wilderness, so to speak.
But imagine having to contend with that knowing that dinosaurs
are back. Like, right, let's go through a
hike in the woods. No, we can't because I heard
there's a pack of velociraptors running around.
Yeah, no, these these movies Oh,like you're saying they they

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always tease it like in this movie.
Like especially this movie, the opening 5 minutes, like they
always tease it like these are dinosaurs escaping, but it's
always contained. Like it's they're escaping the
island, but there's they're still stuck on the island versus
like they're like how you're saying, like I would like
imagine AT Rex running amok in like the Golden Gate Bridge or

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like like another dinosaur name another dinosaur the.
Taran and Dawn fly over in New York.
Yeah, or like the one that they can in this movie, the retarded.
No, that wasn't what they call it.
The mutated 1 and this movie hada day, was it?

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It was like its own, the main thing, Yeah.
The D Rex. D Rex.
OK, that the like, like the D Rex running amok in Chicago,
like that would be so interesting and refreshing take.
Like let us see like it's alwaysin in these movies, Jurassic
Park, Jurassic World. It's always we, the humans going
to their environment. It's never like them, like

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fucking up our shit in our environment.
Like everything's always contained.
It's always on an island. I agree with you, but see then.
It's been 20 years. Come on.
It's called Jurassic. It was cute when it was Jurassic
Park. You know, Jurassic Park at a
park. But then you start calling it
Jurassic World World. Like you're trying to make it
like the world to be like the new scale.

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Yeah. Like, I think even like the
brand now. I think.
I think the brand is Jurassic World, not Jurassic Park
anymore. Yeah.
Because they changed the the ride at Universal Studios from
Jurassic Park to Jurassic World.So it's like, yeah, I.
Think that's the branding? Yeah, so they want like, they
want the branding, like, you know, to be world.
But then in the stories, it's always contained in an island,

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in a remote island somewhere. I don't know.
I just feel like I don't know why they're so scared to take.
You're already like in that weird out of out of the out of
your element zone with like, youknow, bringing dinosaurs back to
life. So it's already a weird story.
Just go with it. Like go full dinosaur.

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See, I don't disagree with you, but then the point of contention
among the fan bases, Well, I thought this was supposed to be
about dinosaurs. Now it's a Godzilla movie.
If we start to bring them into the real world and have them
destroy things or really sort ofpresent a danger to the human
life, then everybody's up in arms because, oh, it's just

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becoming a dumb monster movie. And you're losing the commentary
of like the ethics of of should we even bring these animals
back? Or like, are these animals
sentient since they're products of, you know, scientific
processes? That's the the the kind of
talking point that I see online is, Oh, well, I don't want

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Jurassic World to become Godzilla light, but what else
can you do with because you've the whole scientific discussion
about the ethics of this, I think was unloaded in the first
movie. Yep, I think all that has gone
out the window. Like it's always, well, I mean

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in every film it's always kind of like ham fisted in terms of
like who's like the bad guy in the film with the company engine
or Biogen. It's like Biogen is always like
they're always like the bad guy.It's like in Aliens, like the
Alien franchise. It's always the corporate sort
of like overhead. Yeah, being like a metaphor for
like, you know, corporate greed and money over at, you know,

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like freedom for all and caring about others and blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. Even this movie, like it does it
too. And it's always like super hammy
because. It was super obvious.
Because like, because like, the bad guys are always like, you
know, it's hard. There's like nothing redeeming
about them. Who's the bad guy?
I thought it was? It's not James Franco.
It's a dude that looks like him but it's the Walmart version of

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him. Damn I you just had letter
brought the. Minute.
The minute his character showed up on screen, I was.
I said out loud, oh, he's gonna die.
Yeah, he's like the guy hiring people.
He's a company like why? Why are we going on this
mission? His name was Rupert Friend.
Rupert Fred. Oh, yeah, With that dude, Like

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we're gonna go on this mission. He's the one recruiting
everybody. Oh, sorry, that's the actor's
name. His character name in the movie
was Martin Krebs. Krebs, yes.
Oh God. With the name like that, of
course to give him that name. But yeah, when they introduced
them, I like there was nothing redeemable about him.
Even when they were as much as like you're on record say that

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you didn't like the family when they went to go rescue said
family, even this dude was like,you know what?
I, I, I fuck that family like Liam, stranded like that was.
The one time I liked his character.
We have $1,000,000 on the line. Like to go, you don't do this
thing. I'm like, I was with the other
guys. I was like with Scarlett
Johansson. You know what, Like you're
already there. Just go pick, come up and just
go do the fucking mission. Now I feel bad.

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OK, so here's something that I think is really frustrating
about Jurassic Park movies because I did say this before we
started recording. It's it's almost like there's a
clause in the contract for thesemovies that there has to be
annoying kids or family in the movie.

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And I just, every single time, it pisses me off.
Yep, I don't know why I I don't know if it's like part of their
formula, why they think that their movies are so successful
and they're and they believe that they should have kids in
their movies because you know, these are family movies.
You, you go to the movies with your family to go watch, you

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know, dinosaurs. So you want to you want to see
like little children being represented or whatever.
I don't know. But I did not give a fuck about
Javi or his girlfriend or the dad or the little girl.
No. Maybe the little girl.
Maybe the little girl. Yeah, she's.
Clearly, I think, traumatized bythe spinal attack.

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But like everyone else, like I kind of they were, they felt
redundant because they offered they contributed nothing to the
plot besides being like a rescuesituation that ended up having
to like be rescued in the beginning of the movie and then
being thrust into like the moviewith the the action going on on
the island and then having to escape said island.

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They everybody, we're going all over.
We are going. Let, let, let chat.
I'm sorry. Let, let me start all over.
Let let's let's run it back. If you're still here with us,
let let's start it. But let's, let's bring it back.
Let's talk about the plot from the beginning.
Let's run it back. Yeah, let's let's start with
that because I have a really funny anecdote about the plot.

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Yes. So if you watched the Jurassic
World Dominion, you know how it ends.
Dinosaurs are free. Jurassic World Rebirth begins
opening monologue or no opening title credits a la you know,
Star Wars style. Superman, Yeah.
Or Superman. Yeah, it's been three years.
And now, as as we keep on harping about earlier, all the

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dinosaurs all live just in one area and around the world.
All governments on the in the inon the planet have agreed that
this is like a no entry zone whatever.
You would have to be insane to go to these islands where these
dinosaurs live. Enter insane people who are
going to enter the island because the plot demands it.

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Apparently they need the DNA of some dinosaur because oh wait
wait wait. They need the DNA of some
dinosaur. The sea.
Dwelling air and land. Because apparently, get this
it's the cure for the cancer or a heart disease prevents aging.
Yes, they they, they. Somehow had discovered that the

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dinosaurs on these islands have the secret sauce that we need to
survive as a species. They are the the key to
longevity. Yup.
So that's the plot. Like that's why we have to go to
this island and like, you know, secure all these dinosaurs.
So it's basically a Jurassic Park, but just, you know, twist
it a little bit to be retold. So that's the basic plot.

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We're going to get into it more,but that's the general premise.
Like dinosaurs live in this areaof the world.
We have to go retrieve DNA samples from said dinosaurs.
There's a corporate entity, likethe corporate entity sponsoring
this mission, Biogen there. They've been relevant I think
for all the movies. They're always the ones in the

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back like sponsoring these tripsor whatever.
So obviously they want, you know, the samples to make money,
make profit. Of course there is like 1
sympathetic hero in the story who's like, or there's one
sympathetic scientist who believes that, you know, we
should, we should share this cure or this, this knowledge

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with everybody. We shouldn't privatize it.
You know, there's always a character like that.
He's here in this movie too. Like we shouldn't like give the
DNA to these corporate entities.We should make it free for
everybody. Guess how the movie ends, Chat.
Guess how the movie ends? We'll get to that.

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Now let's start all over. OK, this is what I I have to say
this because it just I was thinking about this constantly
when I watched Jurassic World Rebirth, which I did see in
theaters, not opening weekend, but I was able to catch it in
theaters. He's.
Part of the problem. I support the cinematic

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experience, so this movie's plotbears a striking resemblance to
a classic film called Anaconda'sHunt for the Blood Orchid.
This. Movie is basically the exact
same movie as Anaconda's hunt for the blood orchid.

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We have to go to an island in a separate part of the hemisphere
that is inhabited by these monstrous reptiles to retrieve
something that is going to unlock the Fountain of Youth.
It I mean, yeah, there are slight differences here and
there, but structurally and justthe basic concept, this is the

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exact same movie as the second Anaconda film.
I, I could not get that out of my head as I was watching that.
I was like, I've seen this moviebefore and it wasn't Jurassic
Park. Like Jesse said, I do think
there's a lot of merit to that for obvious reasons.
But the whole time I was thinking, I've seen this movie

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before, right down to like the character archetypes.
I'm like, what is this? Cause I've I've seen this
before. And then as they started to
like, hunt the dinosaur blood, I'm like, oh, this is
Anaconda's. I think I've only seen the first
one. I was I was in the second out of

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comics movie, but that's crazy. So AB movie was inspired by AB
movie. Wow.
So we can we can talk with like which one is obviously is going
to be successful. It is successful already like
this movie already made back at the budget and then some.
So clearly whatever I want to besaying does not matter at all

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because who? Who made this?
Who? Who sponsored these movies?
Universal. Universal like they're going to
keep on making like the same movie again.
But yeah, I haven't I haven't seen the second handed condos
movie. But that's funny that like, you
know, you bring it up that like,you know, like the plot points
are that similar. Like, I think that just speaks
more to the fact that this movieis not original or it does

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anything original. Like spoiler alert, the way it
ends. Oh, the big the big bad guy,
like he obviously dies. He gets his comeuppance, you
know, gets chomped by a dinosauror some shit.
It's pretty cool. Very, very cathartic to see on
screen. And you know, as how does the
end like the good, good guys escape?

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And they're like, you know what,setting up, obviously setting up
the next couple of sequels already.
We should use this dinosaur DNA for the world.
We should make this knowledge public for everyone.
Yeah, let's do that. Q and credits.
And I bet you, I swear the second movie is going to start

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with, like, that didn't even matter.
Just like how like the Dominion ended where, you know, dinosaurs
are free everywhere. And then this movie starts.
Yeah, dinosaurs are died, exceptfor, like, this one area in the
world where they can't. They can thrive here.
Jurassic World reimburse Part 2 or whatever.
This the the sequel? Yeah, that no one's getting his
DNA. Or the people that took it,

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something went horribly wrong and it made them like horribly
ill or killed them or something.They're going to dug off the
screen. We're not going to see Scarlett
Johansson again. And they're going to be like,
yeah, no, we're we're going to get we're going to get either
Chris Pratt back or like someoneelse or you know what?
We don't have to pay this much money like you to hire like, you

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know, these a list actors. We just hire AB list actor and
make even more money if people are going to pay the watch
because dude, dude, I didn't recognize anybody besides Scar
Johansson and the the black dude.
Is that the black dude? Yeah, him.
Like I, I forgot where I recognized him from, but I I've
seen him another shit. I'm like, I know this guy and I

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know her. Yeah, didn't recognize anybody
else. So I recognize them as well.
I think it it kind of surprised me that they were in this movie.
Yeah, just because I don't thinkthat the movie really needs big
names in those roles. I don't think so.
Yeah, I. I I don't that's just my opinion

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but. Especially when I felt like
Scarlett Johansson's character, she didn't you can replace her
with any actor and like her rolewouldn't her role was not that
compelling where you see like you see Iron Man, you're like,
oh, that Iron Man can only be played by like, you know, Robert
Downey Junior or for you Batman.Oh, that can be played by

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brother Robert Pattinson. Like that's a Batman.
Like for this, for Scarlett Johansson's character, it could
have been anybody else. And like the her role was not
that compelling where it was like at least even like Star
Wars character, at least he was kind of like, yeah, goofy or
whatever. But he he he added some charm to

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those movies. Maybe, maybe Scarlett just needs
like a a trilogy of her own and she'll build into it.
But I honestly felt you could have replaced her.
You could replace her with any other actress.
Like her role in the movie doesn't really.
I mean, it does matter, obviously, because she's like
the the the, the the cool femalelead who like saves the day at

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the at the end of the movie. But you could she could have
been to anybody. It didn't have to be Scary
Johansson for this movie. No, no.
But better her than her than better her than Gal Gadot,
because I don't know if I would have been able to like take like
a Khalil no in a Jurassic World Reaper.
I think too, what what makes thecasting of Scarlett Johansson

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feel so strange is that she plays a very familiar kind of
character. She plays the grizzled mercenary
who is, you know, haunted by something just vague enough for
the audience to to to watch and say, Oh, yes, yes, I see this
character. Black Widow or dinosaurs?
Yes, this character has some sort of tragic back story.

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I don't know what it is, but it's it's definitely there.
Yep. And she's just kind of jaded and
it's like, oh, I'll do this for the money.
But then they actually go on theexpedition and some things
happen here and there and she finds her humanity.
And yeah, she plays a very familiar type of character.

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So I think, I think that too is part of the reason that I don't
think you needed someone like her in the role.
But Jurassic World Rebirth, it'sit's a strange movie because
plot wise, it does remind me so much of Anaconda's hunt for the
blood orchid. But two, I also saw a lot of

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inspiration from Jaws, the firstJurassic Park and Jurassic Park
three. I mean, I'm not, I'm obviously
not a part of those discussions,but I can seriously imagine the
pitch for this movie being, hey,what if we make Jurassic Park 3

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again? But it's better like I can.
That's kind of what it was like to me.
Do you think this movie is better than Jurassic Park 3?
Yes. Interesting, I had to rewatch
Jurassic Park 3 before. I would put this movie over
Jurassic Park Three over definitely over Dominion.

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That is the worst movie in the franchise I think and over
Fallen Kingdom. Damn.
OK, so this this one. I was.
This one's ranked like mid two I'm.
Gonna be yeah, my honest, like sort of shorthand thoughts you
would rewatch. I was actually pretty OK with

(30:08):
this movie. I think the the like all of the.
The. Action sequences with the
dinosaurs were generally excellent.
Were the characters extremely thinly written?
Of course they were. Was the plot very bare bones and
uninspiring? Yes, but I think when you

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compare it to some of the moviesin the Jurassic Park franchise,
like Jurassic Park 3, where you have a dream sequence with a
speaking velociraptor saying Allen or Dominion, which is just
a a truly terrible movie that's more about locusts than

(30:50):
dinosaurs. I yeah, it's hard for me to say
this is the worst one when thosemovies exist.
You know what? That's fair.
That's spoken like. It's like you're, you're
speaking like a true fan. All I want to say is I think
Scarlett Johansson is a great actress, but I think when she's

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acting in front of a green screen or like feigning being
scared, you know, of dinosaurs are not there.
It's kind of hard. Like she's when she's
interacting with other people and like, you know, like being
like that, either that arrogant mercenary or like that smug,
like, you know, like that femalefatale or whatever.
Like she's great at doing that. But then when it's like, Oh, no

(31:35):
dinosaurs, yeah, it's like, all right, kind of Take Me Out of
it. OK, fair enough.
But but I I that's not her fault.
That's the that's the studio's fault for like, you know,
getting rid of dinosaurs and replacing them with CGI.
But now I'm I'm just being a full on hater this episode.
No. I I, I would agree that I think

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it's a shame that they're movingaway from practical effects,
because I think if you look at some of the scenes in the first
Jurassic Park, those, those, those scenes still hold up.
Yeah, some look a little, you know, questionable where you're
like, oh, yeah, I can tell this was made in 1993.
Yeah. But then there are some, like
the initial T Rex escape where you're watching it and thinking

(32:20):
to yourself, why does the T Rex head look better than the T Rex
head in 2025? So I, I don't even, I don't,
it's not that I disagree with you.
Like I said, for me, it's just amatter of, I think the lows of
the Jurassic Park franchise are pretty damn low.
So it's, it's hard for me to sayRebirth is as bad as some people

(32:46):
are saying. I mean, I get where they're
coming from in terms of like thethe cinematic landscape, in
terms of what studios are willing to make and put into
production. I understand those arguments and
things like the CGI. But yeah, if we're talking in
terms of like in the context of the franchise, I think there's

(33:08):
clearly much worse movies than Jurassic World Rebirth.
Not saying it's great, it's justthat I didn't mind it.
OK, fair enough. I have, I don't think this is a
bad movie per SE. I just think this is a very
uninspired movie. I, I think, yeah, I'll, I'll,
I'll say it like that. No, I, that's going to be like

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my take, like as much as I'm hating on this movie right now,
like is I don't want to hate it.Like, I don't think it's a bad
movie, but at the same time, I don't this movie did very little
to like move like the needle forward for the Jurassic World
franchise. Like, yeah, like I I just saying
like it was it kind of took inspiration from all these
movies and retold or not retold,but I guess told this like this

(33:52):
story involving like traits fromall these other movies that
barely moved the needle forward.Like throughout throughout like
all the Jurassic Park movies andfranchise.
Like it's it's always like been expanding the universe.
Like, you know, where first they're on an island, then
they're on a second island, thenlike you're on 1/3 island.

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This is a much bigger island with much which I think actually
goes live because in Jurassic Park, the original 1, those
parks never went live. No, that they were like
projects. Yeah, they were projects, but
they were never opened In Jurassic World.
I think the first one, that's right, the first park opens.
So it's like, you know, over time, like these movies have
been like, getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

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This movie, like it just barely even moved.
It's like a back to basics approach.
Yeah. I mean, like the only like new
thing that they added was like, oh, now we have like the the
cure for like longevity or whatever.
Like now we have this, this, this dinosaur knowledge that
we're going to share with the world.
Let's see how much share sharingwith the world like that
actually happens in the second movie because, you know, it

(34:57):
seems like the like the needle moves very little.
And it's been like 20. No, it's been like 30 years
since like this franchise has existed and it's barely moved
off. Like downstairs.
We're kind of still in the same same situation we were in
Jurassic Park 1. Yeah.
OK. So I kind of want to include

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this in my sort of formal. Diatribe of discussion.
Yeah, overall consensus of this movie is I do think it was a
back to basics approach. I do not agree with the decision
to kill off all the dinosaurs because you do rob the franchise
with so much opportunity. But you were just kind of

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mapping out the trajectory of the franchise.
And I think obviously with the first one, you have this really
great movie, maybe one of the greatest films of all time,
undeniable classic. Yep.
Then you have The Lost World, which is OK, Some people are,
some people really like it. I think it's fine.
Like I'll rewatch it, but it's not something I'm going to go

(36:02):
out of my way to say. Man, tonight feels like the Lost
World. Yeah, if.
You're going to be watching the Jurassic World movie.
It's usually like the first. It's usually maybe the first one
or one of like the the the worldones, I think.
I think that the first one is fine.
The first Jurassic World movie is fine and stakes are
relatively low, so it's not a high stakes movie.

(36:23):
See, OK, Jurassic, Jurassic Park3, that's that one mess.
I think you can tell that was like a bunch of different movies
that they just tried to put together into one.
I mean, the ending of that movieis just so bizarre to me, even
to this day. I forgot how it ends they.

(36:45):
Get off the island and then likethe Navy and the Marines just
randomly show up to save them. It's just super strange, right?
It comes out of nowhere. That is weird.
Yeah. These are supposed to be like,
private or like unknown islands or whatever.
Like what is the Navy doing out here?
Yeah. So I think honestly, the only

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like truly great or or memorablemovies in the Jurassic Park
franchise are the first one and the first Jurassic World.
And I say that because I think the first Jurassic World, it is
at least different in the sense that the park is open.
This is a fully functioning parkdivision has been realized.

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And now we're seeing, you know, what that looks like in real
time. And yeah, I, I understand that
there are like things in the first Jurassic World that people
don't like, like the the military subplot with the
Raptors, like trying to replace soldiers with Raptors.
Yeah, that's kind of goofy. And the first Jurassic World is

(37:53):
the first movie to introduce hybrids by creating the
Indominus. But.
But see, I think the first Jurassic World is kind of an
interesting meta commentary because I think what's at the
core of the first Jurassic Worldis you have like the corporate

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side that is supposed to represent sort of quote UN quote
modern Hollywood, like bigger, better, louder, more is more.
And then you have like these, this other subset of characters
like Lowry, Jake Johnson, the guy that's in the control room.

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They kind of represent the classic film makers mindset.
And even some of the fans, whichis something you said at the
very beginning of this episode, which is that you already have
dinosaurs. That's cool.
But there's a refrain throughoutthe first Jurassic World, like
people aren't interested in dinosaurs anymore because
Jurassic World has been open forseveral years.

(38:57):
They, they view it like the zoo.And I think at the heart of the
first Jurassic World is you havethis really push and pull, this
really interesting push and pullof like, no, we need to go
bigger, better, more grand in order to attract audiences.
And then there's this other sidethat's saying no emotion, heart

(39:18):
and storytelling is enough. People will show up if you just
do these things. Well, you can, obviously we can
have an argument about the execution of how the first
Jurassic World handles that. But I think the first Jurassic
World has more on its mind than some people are willing to give

(39:39):
it credit for. And also, I do think there is
something that feels appropriately kind of
apocalyptic about the first Jurassic World, like when the
Indominus breaks loose and just starts slaughtering all these
other dinosaurs. I'm like, OK, yeah, like I'm on
board for this. Like, it feels scary.

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Like, you do kind of feel like they're out of their depth.
And you know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna just admit
this because, you know, Jesse kept saying I just I'm the
dinosaur fan or whatever. What you are Disney adult and
dinosaur fanboy record. I don't know about the Disney
adult thing. Hey, what'd you do this weekend?

(40:25):
Well, last. Week I was, last week, I think I
was, I was at Disneyland. Oh shit, the allegations.
The allegations still remain. I'm never beating them.
No so well I totally lost my train of thought.

(40:46):
I I tried to dispel the allegations and if anything I
just made them worse. Oh OK.
The the climax of the first Jurassic World I think is the
best action sequence in any Jurassic Park movie.
I mean like the the the fight between the T Rex, the Indominus

(41:09):
and Blue, that just like does something to my 4 year old brain
that I'm like Oh yeah. I like that when he got a blue
bag. Yeah.
It's like, it's like if you everplayed Pokémon and you're like,
they took my Pokémon. I got my Pokémon back.
Yeah. It's like, oh, I got my buddy
back. Yeah.
No, I, I agree with what you're saying.

(41:29):
I, the first one, the first Jurassic World.
Oh, fun film. And even though I kind of tried
to do what the first one did, you know, Oh, we, we reopened
the park at least like the park was open.
It had tourists. People actually went there.
Like it was different enough from like, the usual, like, you
know, storyline in the Jurassic Park franchise.

(41:50):
Yeah. And I think that's the that's
the reason that I say it is easily the best sequel is
because it is different enough because the park is actually
open. There are guests there.
And I also think that the kids, Zach and Gray, I think they're
the least annoying kids in the entire franchise because at

(42:12):
least they like try to do something about their, their
circumstances. They don't just like sit in the
corner and scream like Tim and Lex.
Like, as amazing as the first Jurassic Park film is, I, I, I
can't stand those kids. Like all Lex does is scream all,
all Tim does this. That little boy should have died

(42:36):
at least five times. And he he doesn't.
He just like, refuses to die. Because the plot demands.
Yeah. And at least, Yeah, at least the
kids in the first Jurassic Worldare not annoying.
They don't just cower in the corner.
They're like, I mean, they actually, like, fix the Jeep.
They actually try to escape and do things to help themselves

(42:59):
instead of just resigning to thehopelessness of their situation.
And yeah, Jurassic World too, like similar to what you were
saying, you could you could makethe argument that the
introduction of the new characters like Chris Pratt and
Bryce Dallas Howard, like, oh, they're really like shallow
characters. Like Chris Pratt is just like

(43:19):
the the Raptor whispering actionhero.
And Bryce Dallas Howard, she's just like the uptight, you know,
like career woman who has to learn that there's more to life
besides this. Fair.
But I think there's enough goingon in the first Jurassic World
that makes it different from therest of the franchise.
Rebirth is basically Jurassic Park Three if it was more

(43:43):
comprehensible. Damn.
OK, OK, let's see what she did there.
OK, That's that's that's pretty good.
Damn. You really did not like Jurassic
Park 3? No.
The only good thing about Jurassic Park 3 is the
Spinosaurus and I that's if I have one huge criticism of

(44:05):
Jurassic World rebirth, it's theportrayal of the Spinosaurus.
Like stop. I understand there are a lot of
people that want the dinosaurs to be scientifically accurate.
Leave the Spinosaurus alone stop.
Stop nerfing the best dinosaur. Like at this point in five
years, the Spinosaurus is just going to be a, a, a lame fish,

(44:29):
right? Whereas in Jurassic Park 3, the
Spinosaurus is AT Rex killing menace.
Yeah, a machine like this, this dinosaur is evil.
And, and in Jurassic World Rebirth, they're like, oh, these
are like scientifically correct.Spina, get that shit out of
here. Give me the monsters.
Bro that's so funny. Like they want to be

(44:49):
scientifically accurate. But it's like then I thought, I
thought I read something years ago that scientists like we're
looking into, I guess I, I guessdinosaurs are more like probably
covered in feathers and not scale.
And like like now it's reptilianas like we have always assumed
them to be. And then and if and if that's

(45:10):
true, the dinosaurs in Jurassic World, like they still look like
reptilian like dinosaurs. And like, I think we're, they're
at the point where like they're genetically modifying dinosaurs.
Why can't they just leave the Spinosaurus alone And they just
call it like a, it's a genetically modified
Spinosaurus. You had Blue like the
Velociraptor he had, I think at the end of the second or third

(45:32):
movie, he gets his DNA mixed in with arriving at the first
movie. It's in one of the, in one of
the movies, Blue's DNA gets mixed and he's no longer just
like a pier of Velociraptor. He becomes like a hybrid or
something. So if you already have like that
type of like signs that you're, you can crossbreed and like
genetically enhance dinosaurs, they don't need to be

(45:54):
scientifically accurate. Yeah, I agree.
And you're right. Paleontologists, I don't know
when they first made this discovery, but yeah, it's it's
kind of a well known fact at this point that there were a
large subset of dinosaurs that had feathers instead of scales.

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And there are some Jurassic Parkfans that are saying like bring
in the feathered dinosaurs, which I wouldn't mind seeing
that. I don't think dinosaurs need to
be kind of explicitly reptilian to be scary.
But like the Spinosaurus, for meit's just even though I hate

(46:36):
Jurassic Park 3 because I saw that movie when I was a kid and
I saw this just mammoth dinosaurkill AT Rex.
I was like, wow, this must be a crazy dinosaur like this.
This thing must have been a monster and then only to find
out like 15 years later, Well, actually it was a it was

(46:58):
basically a a big glorified crocodile.
And I'm like, fuck this bullshit.
Like, but to your point, they have retcon Jurassic Park 3 to
where they call that Spinosaurusasset 87 because it's not a true
Spinosaurus. Like because it did walk on 2
legs, because it was so big. They're like, oh, actually

(47:21):
that's asset 87. That's not a Spinosaurus.
But at this point or not at thispoint, but like Jurassic World
is basically playing like dinosaurs with the DLC, because
when I say DLCI mean like they're just making up like new
dinosaurs In the first Jurassic World was the Indominus
Indominus Indominus and this oneit was like the D Rex.

(47:41):
And then like I think there's there's there's been like other
in was that in the second movie in Jurassic World funky and the
the megalodon. Oh.
They they they they kind of likeredid the the Indominus, the
Indo Raptor. Yeah, so it's it's like you
you're already playing with all these other like made-up
dinosaurs. Why not just bring back or just

(48:03):
just keep on doing that? And I mean, yeah, include, I
guess the realistic dinosaur portrayal, you know, with the
feathers and shit. But like Jurassic World has like
the factor of cool. And I, I don't think they're,
they're they're not like capitalizing on that.
You know what they need, they need a movie with Tom Cruise.
Tom Cruise needs to like lead one Jurassic World movie in his

(48:25):
lifetime. And like, that'll be like the
cool. I'm gonna that'll be like the
cool. Sounds like a great idea.
Jurassic World movie. Like bro imagine like fucking 60
year old Tom Cruise doing his own stunts on an island.
Imagine Tom Cruise doing some kind of death defying
paragliding on an island. Riding off on a motorcycle, yes,

(48:49):
because they have them on on this dinosaur island.
You know what I'm saying? That that shit would be sick.
I think, I think, I think Jurassic World needs to do what
Transformers did at some point. You know, I'm just go like full
on like just just go like full like full on retard.
Just go full retard and just go full like odd dinosaurs

(49:12):
everything. Like make it like a big
spectacular cool factor. Hire Tom Cruise.
How about the biggest, baddest acid 87 again?
Yes, yes, that would be a fucking cool movie.
Then I wouldn't even care if it's like a rehash of Jurassic
Park one or three again. I was just like, man, this
movie's too cool. Like this.

(49:33):
Like this is the definitive way to watch Jurassic World.
Dude, I think you're so on to something, right?
It it it really could be as simple as get Tom Cruise in one
of these movies. That's, that's all you need.
And like, Tom Cruise's coolness factor along with the like the
coolness factor of dinosaurs. Oh my God, that that'd be too

(49:53):
cool too. Cool man.
It does sound pretty cool, I'm not going to lie.
But then. I kind of see what your point
is, because I think to a certaindegree, Well, yeah, I mean, I
think after Dark of the Moon, Transformers went so far into
the absurdity where it's so clearly didn't care about the

(50:16):
human characters anymore. Like they just cast Mark
Wahlberg because he's like this buff movie star guy.
Yeah, big name. Yeah, and, and it's just like
like. We didn't care about Mark
Wahlberg, like, hey, let me justgo back to the the big robots
fighting. Yeah, I mean, if anybody
honestly thinks that Katie Yeager.

(50:39):
Is better than Samuel Wiki then I can't.
Even finish the sentence. Do I have some snake cord to
sell you? Just cast Tom Cruise in one of
these movies. That's you know what I'm sold
man at Universal. Feel free to steal this idea.
Yep, no, you don't even want to give me credit.

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No, just I I just want to watch a cool dinosaur movie.
I mean, obviously like fans havespoken like with their wallets.
People obviously like have. I don't know if they like this
film, but they have people have paid to watch this movie.
So Universal is fine if they keep on releasing movies like
this or not actually because they they could actually no, I

(51:22):
think they'll be fine. I take, but I walk back when I
was about to walk back because Ithink I was going to compare
them to like the MCU and how people get are getting tired of
those. Movies.
Oh man, there's some bad stuff going on over there.
But I think that's, that's not fair because a drastic, like any
drastic movie, they come out like every 3, five years versus
like the MCU, it's like 3 every year.

(51:43):
So I think there's no, there's no audience fatigue for
dinosaurs just yet. And here's too, I think a major
consideration that you have to remember with Jurassic World is
they basically have a monopoly on dinosaur movies.
Yeah, like, there is no other dinosaur franchise.
Like for as cool as I think dinosaurs are as animals, no

(52:05):
other movie has dinosaurs in them.
Yeah, I mean they try to do it, but I I looked it up because I I
was like, how's any of these dinosaur movies that come out
besides like Jurassic Park or Jurassic World?
And there have been, but they'reall like B list more like
they're all small time movies orwhere like the dinosaurs are
like not the focus of like the movie, are they?

(52:26):
It's like a dinosaur cameo, which doesn't really count.
Like I think what was how was a movie, it was an MCU movie where
it's like a Dinos. I don't, I I think it was a
spider man across a spider versus like a spider man AT Rex
spider man or something. And it that was listening in the
Wikipedia of like movies that include dinosaurs in them.

(52:46):
Really. Yeah, there's not a lot of
movies. So I said to say like there's
not a lot of movies. I mean, there are, but there's
not a lot that like are popular big enough like the Jurassic
World franchise, like it's this franchise.
Yeah. At least with like space operas
you have like, you know, yeah, Star Wars and Star Trek and
maybe Rebel Moon, depending, depending on how.

(53:07):
Depending on who you are. Depending on who you are and how
big of a Snyder fan you are. But Jurassic World, like this is
like the only franchise, like the biggest dinosaur franchise,
which is kind of sad because I think they would it would do
well if they had competition like dancing you in DC, you
like, it's good to have competition, but right now

(53:29):
there's no competition for dinosaur movies.
Yeah, which is really strange, but I do think that's a major
reason that these movies make somuch money is that people like
dinosaurs, kids like dinosaurs. So when these movies come out,
parents are just going to take their kids to see dinosaurs.
And since basically Jurassic World has a monopoly on that,

(53:53):
they're going to make money. And that's why they, every movie
has kids in them because like, Iremember watching Jurassic Park,
but funny enough, like I remember watching Jurassic Park
3 in theaters because I was like, I was like a family
outing. And like now, like, I don't have
kids, but like we're at, we're at the age where like some of
our friends already have kids and they're taking their kids to

(54:14):
the movies. I, I'm pretty sure there's some
millennial parents out there whotook their kids to watch
Jurassic World rebirth. I was not one of them because I
don't. Oh, I have no doubt either.
I was not one of them either. I don't have kids.
Thank God. You know what?

(54:34):
I'm mature enough to know that Icannot.
I've. I'm just not cut out for that
right now. So yeah.
What if you cloned them like they did in Jurassic World?
Don't even get me started. Fallen Kingdom, What was it the
third? One that was Fallen Kingdom,
you're right. You find about the clone, you
know. Gosh, see, that's, that's what I

(54:55):
mean. Like there's no way rebirth is
worse than some of these. That's fair.
Yeah. It's not a bad movie, it's just
a very mid movie to me and I guess to you too.
Like yeah, compared to the othermovies.
And it's not like it's not a game changing movie.
No, no, not at all. Like I said, it's just it.

(55:21):
It feels very thinly written to me.
And I do think that the dinosaurset pieces were generally pretty
good, entertaining. And I think, yeah, as usual,
Gareth Edwards shows off the fact that he has a very good eye
as a director. Is this the first Jurassic Park?

(55:41):
No, of course not. But would it be the last?
No, of course not. I don't think so.
No, I don't think it's going to be.
A lot, I think. I think there's the way this
movie ends. I think it's setting up like
another trilogy of movies. I think I just want to talk
about like the just like the legacy of franchises that are
like doing this because there's Star Wars that had like, you
know, 3 trilogies, the original,the prequels and the sequels.

(56:05):
What other there's like other franchises that are doing this.
Top Gun, like, you know, came out in 1985, then again 2022 and
then they're making a third movie again featuring, I think
this one focuses on Rooster. And then Transformers with like,
you know, the original 3 throughthe original 3 tragedies with
Sam and that the following through three trilogies with or

(56:28):
the following the following trilogy with Mark Wahlberg's
character. And like now like the new one
potentially like it's, I just want to talk like the, the
legacy of these franchises and like what they're doing to them
because, you know, some of them started off strong.
Like if Star Wars just had the original, from what I've heard,
'cause I'm not a Star Wars fan, I'm only just parroting, but I
read online, yeah, like die hardfans.

(56:49):
But if Star Wars had just been Star Wars episodes 456 and just
ended and that was it, like The Godfather.
Oh, it would. It would have been like cemented
as like, you know, peak cinema. But I disagree but I but because
the sentiment. OK, well, the sentiment is that,
you know, because they they keptthe the legacy going of like
making movies like sequels to them, like the legacy isn't as

(57:11):
strong or relevant. Alright, I know I shouldn't say
relevant because Star Wars is very relevant, but I feel like
they're the pedigree of their oftheir legacy isn't, you know, as
I don't want to say valid because it is valid.
But you know, I don't, I don't know how I'm trying to phrase

(57:32):
like what I'm trying to say. It's just not held in as high
esteem as it would be otherwise.Yes, like, well, I mean, it
works for some. Like there are some movies that
can do like that, that can do legacy films like this.
Like Top Gun was a really good example of like Maverick was
like really fucking good. Dare I say it might be on par or

(57:56):
better than the original. And then you have like other
movies where Transformers, it's like, yeah, this year just
stopped after. Dark to the moon.
Yes, but they kept going. They did.
Jurassic World. I don't know what their end game
is, because another good examplelike Planet of the apes, like
when they rebooted it like that,that's a franchise that I'm, I'm

(58:17):
interested in following because like they keep, they keep on
pushing the needle forward. Like there's actual plot
progression throughout these movies.
Like as an overarching franchise, there's plot
progression. Even in Star Wars, there's plot
progression in like, you know, the universe out there.
I don't know what propagation there is in the Jurassic World
franchise. Maybe there there doesn't have
to be. Maybe it's fine if these movies

(58:39):
are always like the same thing because people are going to pay.
It's just we we just want to seedinosaurs, man.
That's all we care about. We don't care about like, you
know, a super in depth plot or whatever.
Just give us just give us a cooldinosaurs.
And if that's the case, Universal, just give me Tom
Cruise and dinosaurs. I hear what you're saying.

(59:01):
I think you're making it an interesting and a very valid
point because I do think that there are franchises that would
be better off had they just beenleft alone.
And I think, yeah, I mean, obviously I think a very
relevant one, especially for this podcast, would be
Transformers. Just leave it alone after Dark

(59:23):
of the Moon. And I think that I, I honestly
think it, it, it would be elevated because I, I genuinely
think like with all the news that's come out about Michael
Bay and just apparently the, theswaths of people that actually
remember the Transformers trilogy fondly.

(59:43):
I honestly think that if they did not make Age of Extinction
in the last night, Transformers would kind of start to like push
its way up to like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter.
I'm not saying it's as good as Lord of the Rings.
It's not what I'm saying. But I like in terms of like just
its legacy. I think had it been left alone,

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it might start to find its way up there because like, people
like those movies. When I made that video, I was
not expecting so many people to agree with me.
Yeah, but people like, people agree.
Like, hey, people like the original Transformers movies and
there I think, yeah, what I'm trying to say is it affects like
the prestige of like their legacy.
Gladiator, phenomenal movie, Gladiator 2.

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Like, what are we doing? You're just trying.
You're trying to milk it. The Caribbean.
Yeah, First trilogy solid. Solid.
After that it's like, what are we doing?
Like as much as I love Johnny Depp as Kevin Jack Sparrow, he's
not enough to carry these movies.
And if Disney decides to do another Pirates of the Caribbean
movie without Captain Jack Sparrow, it's gonna flop.

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So. Yeah, I agree.
But see, then that opens up the discussion like let's say Disney
does do prior to the Caribbean with Johnny Depp.
Let's say Michael Bay does do Transformers with Shia LaBeouf
and Megan Fox. Does that open the door to the
conversation of like, Oh, well, this is now they're just being
like cheap nostalgia bait? Because I think Top Gun has

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proven, though, that there's a way to do it to where it's not.
Like, how do you differentiate between the cheap nostalgia bait
versus like, we're coming back because we have one last big
hurrah in US? I hear what you're saying and
it's a very, very valid question.

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And I would like, I want to likethere, there.
I have a case for this. We just got to wait until
Avengers Doomsday comes out because then we can I can do a
comparison between Avengers Doomsday and Maverick.
Topkin or Topkin. Maverick bringing like, you
know, Robert Downey Junior back as, you know, playing a
different character apparently, but, you know, bringing Robert

(01:01:58):
Downey back. Yeah.
For. I mean, the possibility that
he's a Stark variant is still there because we don't know
anything yet. That's true.
But yeah, just the just that like, oh, the nostalgia fact,
it's been 6 years since Tony Stark died and when the doomsday
come down that next year. So it's like it's gonna be like
7 years since this character. Like we haven't seen this

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character on screen. So, you know, nostalgia bait.
But we'll see. Because I think like if you can,
if it's a solid movie, then you can do nostalgia bait, right?
Like like fan service does not have to be inherently bad.
Exactly. That's what I'm.
I guess that's what I was tryingto say.
You can do fanservice like tastefully and like in a way

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where it's like you pay his tribute and like it rewards fans
of the of like the movie withoutit being exaggerated or over the
top or just like like meaningless.
Yeah. But see, like, OK, I feel like
we're going to circle back to the MCU stuff because I think we

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have something to say about it to end on, but.
Like in Fantastic Four, like theoriginal Jessica Alba movies,
you know, if they never made fanof four sticks and they didn't
make this Fantastic Four movie that came out last month, Oh
bro, people would fucking love the Fantastic Four.

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They would They would they? It would get like an end game
level reaction. Yeah, and and if they brought
the Fantastic Four back now, Oh my God, just like they're going
to do it to the X-Men. People will be so hyped for
that. But instead, you know, you, you
ruined it. That was just like that.
That was me try like just to have fit my my Marvel.

(01:03:45):
Just just one more shot in there.
Yeah. But what I wanted to say real
quick was that I think there's something to be said about
allowing stories to come to an end.
Like, don't you think there's something special about just
leaving things alone, especiallyif they're good?

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Because as excited as I am aboutthis Michael Bay Transformer
stuff, I'm also trying to like, mentally prepare myself to be OK
with the fact that the Sam trilogy is is done.
Like I'm trying to make peace with the fact that those movies
exist. I personally think they're a lot

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better than most people think they are.
And I still have them. Like no matter what happens
after this, this newest Transformers movie with Michael
Bay, those still exist. Like, no, we didn't get the the
closure for Sam and Michaela because that's what I think

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makes this slightly different than everything else we're
talking about. But like, at least I still have
them. And there's something special
about the fact that they did letit go, like because I if Sam was
in Age of extinction, even if, say, Megan Fox was in it, that

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would have broken my heart because Age of Extinction is so
like cynical and it starts to get so bloated and, you know,
nonsensical. And by the time you get to the
last night, I mean, God forbid if Sam was in that movie, I that
would have been devastating, right?
And I think you're kind of seeing that with the MCU.

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And I understand that is a much,much different situation because
you're talking about a 10 plus year long project where you have
been able to serialize cinematicstorytelling leading up to
Avengers end game. Much different thing.
They made so much money from it that they basically had to keep
it going. But I think you're seeing the

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audience interest. It's just not there for the MCU.
Like Fantastic Four, First Stepshad a great opening weekend, 67%
drop in its second weekend and its highest grossing day was
that opening Friday. It was already dropping the
Saturday and Sunday of its firstweekend.

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So I think you're seeing that even Marvel of franchise that
established so much goodwill between the years of 2008 to
2019 with its fans. It's burned the last five years
they've. Lost that goodwill and you're
basically seeing that the only people who were showing up for

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these movies are like the diehards and idiots like me who
are like trying to see if they can bring it back.
Right. I don't want to sound like
fantastic for a hater, but because like the general
consensus is still like, you know, people did like this film,
like they're still very overwhelmingly positive.

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It's just financially it's not doing numbers.
But that says something though. Yeah, That says something that
like even though the consensus is overwhelmingly positive, the
word of mouth was not there to generate excitement in the
general public to go out and watch this movie.
Yeah, that says something. Insert are are people tired of

(01:07:23):
the MCU movies? Like I don't think people are
tired because people are still going to see them.
But I also think like the hype isn't there anymore either
because like I get tired of seeing this online.
I think we're we're I chat, we're we're transitioning into
superhero Movies Now. Like we'll circle back to
Jurassic World at the end, but Ithink we I talked about

(01:07:45):
everything I had to say about that way, but we'll tie it all
in in a nice little bow at the end.
But superhero movies, we're justtie it up.
And like these are just loose ends to last week's episode
discussion regarding Fantastic Four first steps.
I'm getting tired. I get tired of seeing just
videos or like the click bait discussions of are people tired

(01:08:09):
of seeing superhero movies? Is it what's what's the word
superhero fatigue? Yes, I'm like that's so it's
stupid because superhero movies have been around since like like
the 90s eighties. It's just like, yeah, like the
MCU but like, got us used to three superhero movies a year
like that. That became like a formula or

(01:08:29):
whatever. But I don't think people are
tired of, like, superhero movies.
It's like saying like, our people are tired of war movies,
but there's like a war movie that comes out like every
fucking year. That's always like, you know,
there's especially one that comes out like usually like in
November or October. Just in time for the.
Oscars Yup Yup. You see the commercials

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everywhere and like just hyping it up like Oscar bait worthy
movies. So if people aren't tired of
those type of movies, audiences that are not superhero fatigue,
like I don't think that's the thing.
People are tired of seeing bad movies.
Sure, and that's why like, you know, as you said, the MCU blew

(01:09:10):
like their their goodwill that they took like 11 years to like
cultivate all that and you blew it like the last four years just
releasing horrible. Like what was it Phase, Phase
four? What was that like?
I think only one or two good movies were in that and.
I can't even remember what was in.
I think that there's like one thing one of the Spider Man

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movie. That's not a good movie.
The Spider Man movie, which is agood movie.
No, it's not. Listen the Spider Man movie,
which is a good way to do a nostalgia Bay.
That was a great way to do a fanservice.
See, I don't even think it did that well.

(01:09:52):
No, I know. I underst I I I think their idea
for it was good, but the execution was bad.
OK, fair enough. You know what I think that I
think Spider Man was one of those movies where like that it
it was like the in theatre experience where it was like,
you know, standing there, like seeing the Andrew Garfield
reveal, the Tobey McGuire reveal, like in theatres with

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everybody else. Oh, that was quite the
experience. We're watching it at home.
You're actually thinking critically about the film.
All right, maybe it's maybe it'sa little too much like
fanservice, but I still liked it.
See, that was like, if you're going to do fanservice, do it
like that. OK see, in principle I want to
agree with you so bad, but I just think that the grand return

(01:10:40):
of the best on screen spider manTobey Maguire, it should have
been more cinematic. It should have been more
emotional than Toby walking through a stupid portal in
fucking Ned's grandma's house with the Super static frame
where Toby clearly pauses so theaudience can clap like mindless

(01:11:04):
seals. That was me.
I was the minus. Let me finish.
It should have been done with more punch and like actual sort
of weight to the storytelling. Like bringing back Tobey
Maguire's Peter Parker, that is a big deal.
That is, again, on paper, that'sgreat fan service, but he

(01:11:25):
deserves so much more than walking through fucking Ned's
grandma's house. Like that felt like an SNL skit.
What? Like what are we doing?
All right, fair enough. I I can't understand the
frustration of wanting like toldMcGuire to have this grandiose

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like like this like super cool, like superhero entrance.
I think Andrew Garfield got likeanyway, he was it wasn't like
really like a superhero entrance.
It was like, hey, spider man andhe's just like swings on in with
his like, you know, still wearing the mask, takes off the
mask. Because he always takes it off.
Yeah, but Andrew Garfield. All right, I'll, I'll give you

(01:12:09):
that. Like I think Andrew Garfield,
like his introduction, was more hyped up than Tobey McGuire just
casually walking through a portal.
Yeah, and like, I'm not saying like Tobey Maguire need to
needed to swing through a portaland like, save somebody's life
right away. I think he did.
I wouldn't have been mad, Yeah, but I'm not saying that.

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I, I guess what I'm trying to say is I didn't have like a, a
particular vision for what that needed to look like in my head.
I just know that it wasn't him turning around, awkwardly waving
at the cast of the MCU Spider Man, and then just stepping into
an elderly woman's living room. With like mad rizz like the

(01:12:53):
grandma. She was all over him, but not as
much rizz as my boy Jimmy Olsen.Nobody's got that much, man.
Yeah. Superman is like the best movie
I've watched this summer becauseI haven't seen F1 yet.
Yeah, I was going to say, I think, I think I might say F1,

(01:13:14):
but I mean, superhero movies, yeah, definitely give me
Superman, yeah. So fun.
I had to see it twice. Yep.
I, I, honestly, I think that's the film.
I'm probably gonna rewatch it again this year.
I think Superman's gonna make the film I watched like one of
the films that I've watched at least three times this year
'cause I, I mean, I've already watched some, some movies twice,
like Sinners. I've seen it twice now.

(01:13:36):
Obviously Superman twice, Mickey7, you know, movies watched
earlier this year, like I've seen them twice now.
But I think Superman's gonna be a movie where I'm gonna rewatch
it again, probably, probably as soon as soon as it's on VOD, I'm
gonna watch it again. Well, the second season of
Peacemaker that's coming out is supposedly has some connections

(01:13:56):
to Superman. So nice.
It's like it's gonna, it's gonnareignite that like.
I can't wait for that too. I I like waiting for like those
like finished airing though. That way I can just like, binge
them all. Except for like some, there's
some TV shows that I watch live,like chat.
I don't want to get political, but have you seen the New South
Park? Yeah, we don't have to talk

(01:14:18):
about it, but I just wanted to mention it like that.
That is a show that like I'm watching it weekly because when
we won, I love South Park. I've I've I've been watching it
since like as as soon as like mymom would like leave like the
room because I'm like I was a young kid, like I would watch
South Park like that was my shit.
And like now it's still, it's great.
That's still Aryan, like, you know, 20 years later.
But that's something that like Iwill watch live Peacemaker.

(01:14:44):
I'm going to wait for it to finish because like I'm going to
binge that shit. I remember watching like the
original 1 like some of the episodes would end on the
cliffhanger and Netflix spoiled me man I I can't do cliffhangers
anymore. Just give me the full episode or
give me the whole season. See, I, I am, I am all I'm a big
proponent of let's bring back weekly, weekly release.

(01:15:05):
Like do not give me the whole season in in on one day.
I can't stand that. Nah, I astonishly disagree.
I'm on the camp of like, yeah, Iknow.
Like let's binge shit it. I am team, hashtag, team binge.
Hey, hashtag. What team?
What hashtag are you, Joe? Burn.

(01:15:28):
Fuck, that's a good, that's a good hashtag.
Shit, are you coming on that one?
That's a good one. So the reason I prefer weekly
though, is just because, like, Ithink part of the reason with
binging is because it puts so much pressure on the viewer to
like, hurry up and watch the show because then you feel like
you're missing out on the discussion.

(01:15:50):
You know, fair enough. I think we, when you release
like shows live, like I'm going to, I'm going to use South Park
as an example. Like you, you get to partake in
like the weekly discussions, right?
The weekly, like whenever, when an episode drops and then like
as soon as your friend's watching it, you get online.
Everybody that's watching it live, you get to partake in
those discussions. Otherwise, yeah, you have to
wait until it finishes airing, binge it and then participate in

(01:16:13):
like the the discussions. But like the discussions are no
longer live. It's going to be like how you
did your Transformers video. It's like it's an afterthought.
Like it was not happening duringlike the zeitgeist of like when
these were airing. It's more like an afterthought.
Like, you know, we're looking back and like taking it in with
that perspective. Yeah, seeing, using South Park

(01:16:35):
as an example, that's something that's a weekly release.
People hear about it because they hear about the discussion,
they hear the discourse, and then they're incentivized.
Oh, let me go watch this thing. But they also have time to watch
it, Yeah. And then participate in the
discussion. So.
Versus like, well, OK, again, use this outpark as an example,

(01:16:55):
but I mean, you don't have to, Idon't have to use this one, but
I will because they're currentlyon it on season 27.
So it might be like, oh, introducing someone to South
Park, they hear like, you know, oh, new season just dropped.
They're going to watch seasons 1to 26.
Like then that that might be seem too daunting for them like
to get into it, which I mean, you don't have to for South

(01:17:16):
Park. South Park is kind of like
episodic in nature. So you don't have to like watch
it from seasons 1 to 26 or this.I mean, there is some
serialization that happens, but it's like later on.
But traditionally their episodesare very episodic in nature
versus something like, I was like Sopranos, you can't just
like start. You can't just like drop in.

(01:17:37):
Like how many seasons are there like 5-5?
You can't just drop in like season 4.
Like just start watching season 4.
You'll be totally. Lost yeah, yeah.
So I think it depends, depends on the show too.
Like Game of Thrones, like if you if, if you were to like if
you were there where Game of Thrones season 8 was like
airing, oh, you were in for a good time.
But if you had not watched game with Duns and you're like, oh, I

(01:17:59):
gotta binge watch seasons one through 7.
Oh man, good luck for that. There's some benefits to
binging, but I think for me, just generally speaking, I I
would much rather have the weekly release.
I think there's something to be said about the weekly discourse.
Yeah, because I used to. I still do, but I used to more

(01:18:21):
when I was a teenager and in my early days in college, I would
watch a lot of anime and a lot of new anime was seasonal, so
that was weekly. So it was like you watched the
new show and then you get to talk about it with other people
who were also watching it live. And I think there is something
to be said about that. Only watching things like 1
episode at a time because it only airs 1 episode at a time.

(01:18:45):
Instead of just having like, youknow, just discussing like that
episode alone for like, you know, 30-40 minute or however
long it takes for you to talk about it with someone versus
like, you know, bingeing a whole.
Like we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna touch back on the
Bojack Horseman discussion. But even then that's gonna be
like we're gonna be talking about like all the whole

(01:19:05):
civilization versus like, hey, this is now the Bojack, Bojack
Horseman podcast. On this today's episode, we're
gonna be talking about episode 1of Bojack Horseman.
And then then, you know, really get into the nooks and cranny of
the show. I think like, no, there's
something to be said about what you're saying, like watching
things weekly and like really digesting like what is happening

(01:19:25):
versus just like straight up binging and like, you know, like
the you, you might catch on, catch on all the little details,
but you're not going to talk about them because by the time
you're done watching the show, you're going to talk about like
the main points of the show and not like everything that that
led up to it. Right?
Like when we're talking about the Batman, we're going to talk
about like all that the cool shit that happened in it.
But we're not going to talk about like, you know, how dumb

(01:19:48):
drive was like one of the best scenes in the movie and how like
genius that was and how like theall like the meta jokes that I
had on that level. We're not going to talk about
that. We're going to talk about like
the car and how that that was like the best scene.
I think he's wrong. I think if you think I won't get

(01:20:11):
into the nitty gritty nuts and bolts of The Batman, I'm afraid
you're sorely mistaken. I mean, that might have to be a
two-part episode. That all right?
I might end up being like 4 hours.
I should. Have used the Penguin as an
example then All right, the nitty gritty of each episode in
the Penguin. Only 8 episodes.
OK, I can agree with that. Chad, get ready.

(01:20:32):
The next episode it's gonna be all the next 8 episodes it's
gonna be. It's a Penguin deep dive
analysis. That see that that'd probably be
like a good two hour 1. But you're right, I don't think
I'd get into like every single little thing.
Right. But there are like some people
who can do that. And I think like there is
something to be set up when you release something weekly and you
watch it weekly. Like you have time to like let

(01:20:54):
the episode breathe and like really like analyze and get into
it. Like we're now we're talking
about Jurassic World and we can we, we spent like an hour on it.
But if we were talking about theJurassic World franchise, like
all of it, like every single movie.
Oh, this is probably like a stabbing hour pod.
But we would probably like reduced like that content to
like maybe 3 hours at most without like before we started

(01:21:17):
getting like too productive in what we're saying about like
every single thing. I don't know, like I, I, I
appreciate both. I think there are some shows or
yeah, some shows cause mostly television that you can watch
weekly that I think there's a benefit to that.
But I think I also like I like binging shit too.
Fair enough. And and I do think there yeah,
there's some advantages to binging like shows have Second

(01:21:39):
Life if you are able to binge them.
Like I think a big contingent ofthe Breaking Bad fandom only
exists because of Netflix. And then I think you, you just
saw this a couple years ago withSuits, like that had the biggest
revival I think a show has ever experienced.
It was, I can't remember the exact number, but the amount of

(01:22:00):
views it got on Netflix comparedto the time it was airing on TV
was astounding. I mean, so yeah, there there is
very clearly some benefits to binging.
You know, I'm not, I'm not knocking it.
But like, yeah, just like surface level preference.
I'd probably be the weekly release guy here.

(01:22:21):
Fair enough. Yeah, Just like Chad knows, this
episode drops every week on a Monday and that's the pace that
Dan likes to go to. There are some podcasts that
drop two or three episodes everyweek.
We are not that podcast. We are the once a week podcast.
Yeah, we're once a week. I think that's also crazy or not

(01:22:42):
not crazy per se, because I think once like, like they're
like the podcast, like, you know, like when it's like a full
time job. Yeah, like recording 3 episodes
per week, Like that's a full time thing.
Well, I think once you start to see money and you start to see I
think the the actual return on the investment.
And you can hire someone to like, you know, do the mixing
and mastering. That's what I was going to say.

(01:23:04):
When someone is able to edit theshow, mix the audio and then
like even edit the video component.
If that's there, then that's a different story because I think
the resources that are availableto you make it easier to release
more than one episode a week. But if it's just, you know, it's
if it's in the trenches like below the line workers are once

(01:23:28):
a week is what makes sense. Yes, yeah.
But anyways, this is a whole fucking tangent.
We were, we were just, we I was just trying to shit on Fantastic
Four. I mean, talk about, you know,
the Fantastic Four and any otherrelevant things that we might
have left out of out of last week's discussion.
No hate at all. I would not that that I think we

(01:23:51):
touched on it. It was like the fact that oh,
no, no, no, you, you texted me about the news.
Like, you know, well, I was talking about like, you know,
like are doing any reshoots Likeno, they are doing reshoots for
like the the next Avengers movie.
But then you told me something that I thought was very
interesting, and then you sent me an article about it.

(01:24:12):
Avengers Doomsday is currently being shot without a finished
screenplay that's. Fucking crazy.
Or I don't know, 'cause like, I don't know enough about
Hollywood. Like maybe there are some films
that are shot this way where like the script is a work in
product. Like they have, maybe they have
like the bare bone outline and they're just working through it
as they shoot. I don't know.

(01:24:32):
But when you told me that, that sounded fucking wild.
Like they're shooting a project as like as they're working it
out. It's not uncommon, but I think
for the MCU, given the fact thatthey are trying to do this
serialized comic book style storytelling, this is a major
issue, especially when you compare it to Infinity War and

(01:24:53):
End Game. Like I said in the last episode,
nothing that we've received so far has LED up to this except
for Fantastic Four. So shooting this movie without a
completed screenplay is insane to me.
And what's so interesting is that when this movie was the
Kang Dynasty, it had a a screenwriter.
I don't know his first name, something Waldron.

(01:25:16):
They let him go. They changed it to Doomsday,
brought the guys who wrote Infinity War, End Game and
Captain America, The Winter Soldier and Civil War.
But then they brought back the guy who was originally riding
Kang Dynasty because they're still trying to figure this
script out. So it's just it sounds like a
mess. Yeah, that I don't know that

(01:25:38):
that kind of saddens me, like just seeing how it's not low.
Yeah, I think, I think the MCU has still more lows to go before
we before I can sit back and be like, damn, look how the MCU has
fallen. I don't think they've fallen off
yet, but they're at this weird inflection point because I think
Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four,as much as I didn't really care

(01:25:59):
for Fantastic Four, the general consensus is that their last two
movies like this, this is a stepin the right direction for
Marvel compared to what they've given us before.
That being said, I'm also on therecord saying that I would
rather hate watch Captain America Brave New World than we
watch Fantastic Wars, though I think there's something to be

(01:26:19):
said about that too. But filming a movie without even
being done yet, I don't think that's going to bode well over
like over there in Marvel Studios, especially for like a
film that like The Avengers movies is are supposed to be
like kind of your big like like the big where you where you
showcase like what your superheroes can do and how many

(01:26:42):
you have and what you've worked hard to, you know, build up to.
If this Avenger movie flops, that's I don't know that that's
going to be like a very bad signfor Marvel.
Yes, and it's so incomplete to the point where they are
interviewing actors that are starring in this movie and they

(01:27:02):
are telling journalists I don't even know if I've shot all my
scenes because they're not done writing the movie.
Right. And it must be like weird for
like actors, like when you're contracted for a film like you
usually like, you know, with like the set deadline or sets
like within this window. Like your shooting schedule?
Yeah, yeah, cuz like there's some like, you know, like some
actors like they they're gonna shoot multiple films or multiple

(01:27:23):
things like in a year. So they have like they gotta
have like their their schedule lined up like a la Pedro Pascal,
you know, you gotta like sometimes like, you know,
schedule, like there's, there's conflicts of schedule where
because like the the movie isn'tdone or they are going to
overtime and do reshoots like that conflicts with some

(01:27:44):
schedules. And like, then you get weird
things like fucking Superman's mustache and.
Oh God. Fucking.
Justice. The Justice League, Was it
Justice League? Yeah, it was Justice League.
The Josh Whedon won and we don'twant that, but the way that the,
the Marvel's going with it or the the rumors, I should say,

(01:28:04):
because I'm just, I'm, I'm just speaking as a concerned fan, as
a concerned casual fan, because,you know, maybe turns out this
movie's fucking great and they knew what they were doing all
along. But from what they've given us
before and just like the news that you know that you're, you
like that you showed me and likewith the incomplete script, I

(01:28:28):
don't know, just it doesn't it doesn't give me confidence for
like the direction that they're going.
But that's no longer my problem because over here at the DCUI
know I'm in good hands in watching that when I watch
Supergirl and whatever other or whatever other DCUDCU movies
have been lined up. I know, I know they've already
been announced, but the only onethat just came to my head right

(01:28:50):
now was Supergirl. And just like the cameo she had
in the Superman, I can't wait tosee here Party like a rock star
on some random planet with what was it like a red sun or yellow
sun? Red Sun.
It's interesting the roles have been reversed.
Marvel is now the one that is rushing to their big team up
movies in DC is the one taking their time to make sure they

(01:29:13):
have solid individual stories. Yep, what a what a time to be
alive. What a time.
Yeah. But that goes back to where I
said, you know, competition. It's good to have a competition.
And I did say I would circle back to like, you know, this
topic given this episode, Jurassic World, you know?
Yes, Jurassic World. I circled back to Jurassic World

(01:29:35):
and I forgot what I was going tosay.
Let me just get off one more thing then because I forgot to
mention this in the last episode.
Joseph Quinn's Johnny Storm reminds me of Ken from the
Barbie movie. Take that how you will, but he
does not have Ryan Gosling's screen presence.
I was going to. Say dinner's on the record
saying that he loved the Barbie movie.

(01:29:58):
No, I actually. He was a fan of like when it was
like Barbenheimer, he was like, he was wearing the T-shirts that
were in support of Barbenheimer.I did support Barbenheimer, but
I didn't think that Barbie was great.
I can't believe that. No, actually I do believe it
like that movie did as well as it did.
Like, I think it it did better than Oppenheimer, which is

(01:30:20):
crazy, but at the same time, I think I it makes sense.
Like movies that have broad appeal are going to make more
money than like, you know, serious auteur movies directed
by Christopher Nolan. So that's that's fair enough.
I. Want to remember your?
Jurassic World. But I want to circle back to
Jurassic World because I said that we would, you know, people

(01:30:45):
are going to get burnt out of the MCU movies and they keep on
doing them like how they're doing them.
But I should know that that's not what I want to say at all.
Scratch that off the record. Start that from the record.
I could. I just, I just did a whole thing
about talking about superhero fatigue.
So I can't, I can't walk that back.
I got to stay, you know, stand 10 toes down on this.
But Jurassic World, if you like dinosaurs and you don't care

(01:31:11):
about like, you know, the franchise, like how it moves in
terms of like moving the needle or like doing anything like, you
know, to establish a new world or whatever, and you just want
to say it the same shit again. Or if you want to see Drastic, I
didn't put it Jurassic Park 3, but done better.
Yeah, go watch this movie. You're going to love it.
Like people, people like dinosaurs.

(01:31:33):
If you like dinosaurs, then that's it.
You might like this movie. I personally felt like this was
this is not it, but you know, again, I'm I'm in the I'm in the
vocal minority because people actually, no, I think the
reviews for this one are kind ofmixed, but financially this
movie's doing very well. So good for you.

(01:31:53):
Jurassic World rebirth. I hope the sequel is better, but
we'll see. Like unfortunately, I'm in a
position where I had to watch the sequel because, you know, I
will have a podcast I got, you know, share my thoughts on.
But the next Jurassic World is not going to come out for at
least in like 3 or 4 years. So hopefully by then they'll
come out with like a better plotor a better sequel.

(01:32:17):
Like I just want a Jurassic World movie that I can enjoy.
Fair enough. And I haven't enjoyed one since
I think like the first one, the first Jurassic World movie,
which is like what, 22,012 2015?Yeah.
Oh, shit. So it's been like 10 years.
So I would like an enjoyable Jurassic World movie for me.
But that's me. That's it.
I think that's a reasonable request.

(01:32:37):
I think that's all anybody wants.
Yeah. And yeah, again, I'm not
praising Jurassic World Rebirth.I think it's fine.
I had a yeah, I had AI had a decent time watching it.
I think it it does pull from different elements of Jaws,
anacondas and the first JurassicPark in Jurassic Park 3.
But I mean, yeah, I mean, Jurassic World is just in a in a

(01:33:00):
strange place as a franchise. And we'll see where it goes.
Personally, I think they probably could stand to leave it
alone for a while. I think that in my opinion, the
only two Jurassic Park movies that should be Canon are
Jurassic Park in the first Jurassic World.

(01:33:20):
But I mean, that's. Damn those two canons.
That's just my opinion. Two out of seven Canon movies?
That's bad. Damn.
That's just my opinion, but I mean I don't think Jesse is
being unreasonable at all in asking for an entertaining
Jurassic World movie. Just give me a cool with Tom

(01:33:40):
Cruise. That's all I want.
Yeah, There you go. That's all I'm asking for now.
Just if you're gonna go with that, the coolness, if you're
just gonna rely on your coolnessfactor to sell me these Jurassic
Park movies, get Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt.
I'll take either or, but I just give me just give me like a like
a like a cool like actor and like that'll help like, you

(01:34:01):
know, just the movie will be toocool for school.
There you have it. Anyways, chat, it's nice to sit
here and discuss films with you,especially like this movie
Jurassic World The Rebirth, now streaming on whatever platform.
Wherever VOD, yes you can. Whatever, VOD, whatever.
VOD service you prefer? Yeah, exactly.

(01:34:24):
Stream it there because I don't think you're streaming in
theaters anymore. And if it is, well, I mean, if
you want to go support your local movie theater, go do that.
Otherwise, just watch it at homebecause this one, this one is
not worth watching, watching in theaters.
But that's just my opinion. Dana loves his movie, so he was
obviously going to be. He's obviously going to
recommend you watching in theaters if it's still
available. I am a supporter of the

(01:34:46):
theatrical experience, but watchit at your own discretion.
If you want to stream it, that'sfine.
If you want to watch it in the movie theater, that's fine.
If you want to stream this from like your PSP and watch it like
that's not fine. That 540P quality, Hey, like
dude said, that's fine. No, that's not fine.
You want to stream it on your iPod classic.

(01:35:07):
That's not fine either. Bro real quick before we get off
man I I've never felt so dated. It was like last weekend.
It was someone's birthday, a friend of a friend's birthday.
And he's not even that much younger than me.
He's I think he's like 20. He turned 26.
But then he's so he's like A at the tail end of being a

(01:35:30):
millennial, but like at the at the forefront of being a Gen.
ZR. And we were talking, we were
talking about iPods and like, we're just very reminiscing like
me. I was going to say my name on
Mike. Our friend goes by the paradox.

(01:35:52):
We were talking about iPods and I you know, like like jump back
in the day, we had an iPod. It was not the classic, it was
the nano, but like the the talk skinny one.
And we're talking about like howwe used to watch movies back
then and Gen. Z friend was like, how can you
watch movies on that tiny screen?

(01:36:13):
And we were like, yo, like back in like like you understand,
like back in 2005, six like thiswas peak affordable media like
there were no 80 inch TV's. And if there were, we couldn't
afford them for sure. Like watching like media like
this is how you when you're in high school, you would watch
media like on your like iPods oryour phones or God forbid if you

(01:36:35):
were like that guy, you're fucking Zune if.
You were that guy. But like later on, like if you
had like APS pick, I remember like when I had like PSP like
watching movies on like you could like buy those like PSP
movies like UMD movies. Yes, I remember watching movies
like like that too. And that's just like and he was
like it just like just him beinglike in amazement that we could

(01:36:56):
have watched like movies on likethat tiny of the screen.
And just like telling him, like,you know what, like, like the
the scenario where you were where you would watch movie on
the iPod would be like you're ona bus ride back going back home
after a game either like depending on what club you were
in, basketball, football, cross country, track, whatever.
Like after a track me coming back from like a 40 minute

(01:37:19):
drive. You just want to be in your like
in your own little element. You're just gonna, you're gonna
hunch on over and like in your in your seat on the bus and just
put on your, you know, 2005 Apple, not this before Airpods,
you know, those wired earbuds and you're gonna zone out and
watch a movie on that tiny screen.

(01:37:40):
So don't. So I see that all to say, chat
it. Don't let it.
Don't let Dylan prevent you fromwatching a movie at 540P.
If you want to watch a movie on your PSP or your PS Vita or your
iPod Nano, you go ahead. If you want to watch
Oppenheimer. No, no, no with that.
Bombastic, cinematic like soundtrack and like over the top

(01:38:04):
vocals that you can barely hear that Christopher Nolan is known
for. Watch it on your iPod plastic.
Well. That was my time, Jay.
I'm done. As much as I disagree, that was
a pretty impassioned speech, so again, that's up to listener
discretion. Yep.

(01:38:25):
Well, Chad has a bunch of, you know, Gen.
Z here, so only like the older, like millennials and boomers are
going to get it. Shout out to our Boomer
listeners. Yeah, shout out to them, man.
I'm I'm pretty sure you guys enjoyed Jurassic Park.
Where Yeah, no, I'm I'm pretty sure you guys, you guys did
enjoy just park. I don't know how you guys feel
about just world. Maybe you guys sit like are

(01:38:45):
staying on the same side of the fence as I am.
Or maybe you're a fence sitter like Dylan.
You're like, it's mid. Yeah, maybe.
Let us know in the. Comments now yeah, that's.
Right, 'cause you can now have reached us on most, I was gonna
say like now you can leave comments on Spotify, YouTube and
most podcast streaming platforms.

(01:39:06):
Basically almost everywhere except Apple.
Except for Apple, but you know, if you're if you're if you're an
Apple, just listen to us on Spotify or YouTube.
I'll appreciate the view in in in in any way that shape that it
comes in. Yes, we will.
So with that being said, thank you for listening everybody.
Once again, you can find the show on most podcast streaming

(01:39:28):
platforms, but the easiest and most impactful way to support
the show is by giving us a follow on Spotify or subscribing
to the YouTube channel youtube.com forward slash at
night to fall films. Other than that, that is all
that we have for you today. We we took a few tangents, but
like Jesse said, I think we covered Jurassic World for a

(01:39:51):
little over an hour or so. We got there.
I think this episode it meets the criteria for being named
something in you guys to transfer world, yes.
We we, we meant the quota. So with that being said, thank
you again. Everybody catch you next time
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