December 28, 2024 • 30 mins
This episode unpacks our predictions for the AEW Worlds End pay-per-view, analyzing each match's potential outcomes and narrative importance. From championship duels to rivalry conclusions, we speculate on the twists and turns that await fans.
• Discussing Takeshita versus Powerhouse Hobbs for the International Championship
• Analyzing Will Ospreay and Kyle Fletcher's highly-anticipated classic matchup
• Examining Okada's battle against Ricochet and its implications on their characters
• Anticipating the brutal Tijuana Street Fight between Mariah May and Thunder Rosa
• Exploring MJF's rivalry with Adam Cole for the Dynamite Diamond Ring
• Predicting the outcome of the TBS Championship match between Mercedes Moné and Kris Statlander
• Considering the chaos in the main event featuring Jon Moxley, Hangman Page, Orange Cassidy, and Jay White.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
welcome to the ben and bash podcast tag team talk
I'm ben I'm bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the ben
and bash podcast tag team talkall right, we are for another
one.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We are going to be doing a pre uh prediction show
for aw worlds and pay-per View.
Let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Okay, so for the first match on the card Is
Takeshita versus PowerhouseHobbs For the AEW International
Championship and for this one.
Powerhouse Hobbs is one of myfavorite wrestlers on AEW, but I
just think that Takeshita isbetter in ring and I just think
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that he's going to win andretain.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, I mean, plus you got Don Callis and all that.
So interference and all thatcan happen too.
So you know how that goes.
You got a bunch of stuff thatcan happen in that match.
I mean if it's just a straightone-on-one match, powerhouse
Hobbs could win.
But knowing Takesh of stuffthat could happen in that match,
I mean if it's just a straightone-on-one match, powerhouse
Hobbs could win.
But knowing Tekeka and Duncowand all them, they're probably
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going to do something tointerfere in the match,
something like that.
So I mean, as much as I wantPowerhouse Hobbs to win as well,
I think Tekeka is going to winas well on that one.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, so for as well on that one.
Okay.
So for the next match on thecard is will osprey versus kyle
fletcher in the continentalclassic semi-final, and for this
one, a lot of the people onthis card are some of my
favorite aw wrestlers.
Um, and will osprey is one ofthose people, and um, so I'm,
(01:48):
I'm going to pick uh WillOspreay, and the history between
these two is uh very big, but Ithink Will Ospreay is going to
come out on top because in myopinion, he's the better
wrestler, but Kyleyle fletcherhas been uh kind of on a tear.
So you know what?
actually, I'm picking kylefletcher straight match, or he's
(02:11):
with don callous too yeah youthink he's gonna be straight up,
just a straight I think there'sgonna be like the slightest bit
of shenanigans, but mostly Ithink it's gonna be a one-on-one
mostly, mostly.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, this should be.
Are you going?
Oh, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, this should be a good oneon-one mostly, yeah,
this should be.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh yeah, I'm good.
Yeah, this should be a good one, Cal Flex and Will Ospreay also
being stable members, factionmembers, tag team partners,
whatever you want to call it butyeah, these would be best
friends than Cal Flex and Turnerand Will Ospreay a couple
months ago.
So, yeah, this should be one ofthe better matches.
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Actually, I mean AEW matchespretty much all the matches in
AEW usually are pretty good allthe way around, I mean.
But yeah, this match should beprobably one or two on the best
match of the car, as far as Ithink.
Anyways, yeah, like I said,Will Ospreay one of the best
wrestlers in the world.
I hope he can stay healthy.
I mean, he does a lot of flipsand stuff like that and just
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hope he can stay healthy anddon't anything serious and he
can actually go.
He actually has a chance ofwinning this kind of classic
championship.
But yeah, I'm going to pick youpicked Kyle Fletcher.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, what are you going to pick?
Kyle Fletcher.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I don't know.
I mean, like I said, KyleFletcher has been on the tear
recently.
He has definitely been on thetear recently, especially since
he shaved his head in a linewith Don Cows and all that Yep.
But I think Will Ospreay isgoing to win this, just because
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I think he's due for a big winlike this.
So I think Will.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Ospreay's going to win.
With the next match it's Okadaversus Ricochet, and for this
one, ricochet recently the fanshave just completely turned on
him Like U-turn turned on him.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Called Samantha Irvin .
People think he stole SamanthaIrvin from WWE.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
By him leaving, and then she left too, not too long
afterwards.
But I'm not saying it's theonly reason, but it's probably
one of the reasons people thinkand they were throwing toilet
paper at him.
I think he also said sorry togo off topic a little bit I
think he also said when AEWfirst started.
I think he said he was one ofthe reasons AEW was even started
(04:27):
, cause the rest was like him oh, you know what I'm saying he
said something along the lineslike that around the time AEW
started.
So I think the fans are stillkinda remembering that from
years ago when he was in WWE andthey kinda like let him hear it
now cause he's in AEW now sobut uh, yeah, so recently uh,
let him hear it now because he'sin AEW now but yeah, so
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recently he's basically turnedheel because the fans made him
heel.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
He's one of the top heels basically in AEW because
they just boo him every timehe's out there.
I didn't think they were goingto bring toilet paper, though,
just to throw it out.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
there they call him trash.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, I mean, at that point they might as well just
bring Dorito bags.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
But for this one, I just think that Okada's going to
win, because I think it's goingto be him.
It's going to be him.
When the Continental Classicstarted, I figured that it would
be Okada versus somebody else,Him trying to retain his title
(05:37):
and not just lose it during theContinental Classic.
But yeah, so I'm picking Okadato beat Ricochet in this match
in the semifinal.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean, if Ricochet wins, then there's
going to be a new champion.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, automatically.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Because Okada loses his belt, ricochet doesn't get
the belt.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The winner of the kind of champion gets the belt
Okada's defending belt,defending champion.
So as long as he wins he keepshis belt.
If he was to lose to Ricochethe would lose his belt.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Ricochet wouldn't get it, though, until he wrestled,
you know whoever on the otherside.
Here's the thing.
Where is the Hurt businessgoing?
Well, the Hurt Syndicate, sorry, the Hurt Syndicate.
Where are they going to doRicochet?
Was this all?
Were they playing this wholetime Like trying to and Ricochet
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is actually part of them andthey come interfering and let
him win the belt.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Or at least beat the champion.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, I mean what I'm saying.
I mean how does that work?
Like, do they come out andinterfere in the match and it
was all a ploy the whole timejust to kind of get the fans
thinking he wasn't in the group.
He was in the group the wholetime.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I think if that would happen, that would be in the
final.
But I just don't think Ricochetis making it to the finals,
that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So that's why you have to interfere in the
semifinals in order to make himmake it to the finals.
And in the finals I'm justthrowing this out there, just
saying, you know, I don't know.
I mean I want Ricochet to winjust because I want to see
Ricochet get booed even more bybeating Okada.
You know, ricochet being achampion will make the fans go
livid.
I mean you talk about Dumb andSerial New Day type of heat if
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he wins.
And they already booing him.
Now if he wins the belt too, hereally, they really hate him,
yeah.
So I mean I just want to seewhat happens with Bobby Lashley
you know, mvp thing, sheldonBenjamin, see if he actually is
a part him in a group.
Or was it all just a ploy justto kind of throw us off so he
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can come and interfere in thematch?
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That wouldn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't know how this is going to go.
I mean, that's why I predictthe show, I'm trying to predict
what happens.
But I mean Okada he still isone of the best wrestlers in the
world when he wrestles hiswrestling match.
He doesn still is one of thebest wrestlers in the world, if
not the best wrestler in theworld, when he wrestles his
wrestling match.
He doesn't wrestle often.
I mean, he wrestled morerecently because of the condom
championship, condom classic umrecently.
(07:59):
But this should be a good matchtoo.
I don't know, this is a hardone right here, mmm.
I'm gonna let him say Ricochetwins.
I'm gonna say Ricochet just tomake it different.
Say Ricochet wins.
I'm going to say Ricochet Justto make it different.
Say Ricochet wins.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Okay, is that what you're going to say?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, I'm going to say Ricochet and I'm going to
say the hurt syndicate getsinvolved some kind of way.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And for another match on the card, it's the winners
of the two Clinendo Classicsemifinal match.
I picked kyle fletcher andokada, so so my match would be
okada versus kyle fletcher and Ithink personally that okada
needs to drop the title, like Ilike his reign.
I've liked his reign so far,but I just think that he should
drop the title, and to a personwho's been on like an absolute
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tear in AEW as an example ofKyle Fletcher.
So, yeah, I think Kyle Fletcheris going to win and win the AEW
Continental Championship.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And that would give Don Cala's two belts.
So you pick Takeshita too.
Yeah To win.
So you got Kyle Fletcherwinning the continental classic
over okada.
So for me I went with theclassic match that everybody
wants to see again, ricochetversus real osprey.
And this could be a tough matchthey had like in japan over the
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super juniors and differentmatches like that but yeah,
ricochet versus Will Ospreay.
I got from my continentalchampionship match and I'm just
going to go ahead and sayRicochet wins all the way around
, just so fans can blow more.
I like seeing good heel work.
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I like seeing good heel work.
What New Day is doing now, whatDominic does now, what Kyle
Fletcher's been doing recently,what Rhyme May has been doing
MJF I mean, I like seeing good,like John Moxley and them.
They've been tearing it up down.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I like seeing good heel work.
You know good heel work makeswrestling enjoyable because you
never know what they're going todo.
You have no idea what's goingto happen.
I mean because the fans booingthem.
You don't know what's going tohappen.
Are they going to get mad likeJohn Moss and start attacking
everybody?
Are they going to be like theNew Day and just try to get
people to like them, even thoughthey're getting booed at the
arena, you know?
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Are they going to be likeDominic and just take MJF and
just take it in?
You know, but for me, I gotRicochet winning Continental
Classic Championship, and theHurt Syndicate also helps him
out in this match becauseeverybody knows he's part of it.
Now they're gonna help him out.
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I think they're gonna help himout.
I think this is all a ploy toget him in the group, just so
people don't think that they'repart of it.
That's gonna help him becausethat's gonna get them out of the
belt and then, by bashing, dowhat he got to do, show Benjamin
what he has to do, and that canbe a good little group there.
So, yeah, I got a record shakewinning the Continental Classic.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, for the next match on the card, it's Mariah
Mae versus Thunder Rosa match onthe card is mariah may versus
thunder rosa and, um, I thinkthat's a um tijuana street fight
.
I think, oh yeah, I have.
No, what is that?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
it's a street fight just with a fancy name.
Well, they always put the nameof something in there, like
brooklyn street fight new jerseystreet fight boston street
fight whatever they just putthis is something street fight,
this is a street fight and theyalways put a different name on
it, though, but there's.
They usually put a differentname on the street fights, but
it's just something.
Street fight, it's just astreet fight, and they always
put a different name on it,though, but there's, they
usually put a different name onthe street fights but it's just
a street fight.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
They never just have like a plain street fight.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, because they always have it put in the city
area usually or something has todo with something they're in,
Like, I think Donna Rosa Tijuana.
I think there's a TijuanaStreet Fight match, so there's
no rules in the match.
So you know what Street Fightis?
Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, this is for the AEW Women's World Championship
and Mariah May ever since shebeat Toni Storm for the AEW
Women's World Championship, Ithink that she's just been one
of the top champions and one ofthe top heels.
And thunder rosa is a very bigname in aw, but I just think
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that would just make mariah'smay uh movement up in the uh in
like the category of greatest ofall time in AEW.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Uh, if she beats uh Thunder Rosa yeah, yeah, I mean,
are you done, that's it oh yeah, yeah, I got Mirama as well.
I mean her.
She has been doing some greatwork in AEW since she debuted.
I mean she came from Stardom.
I wasn't.
I didn't watch Stardom a lot,but I was a little bit familiar
with her just because I watched.
I did watch a little bit, watchStardom a lot, but I was a
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little bit familiar with herjust because I did watch a
little bit of Stardom and so,yeah, she was pretty good over
there too.
But she's taking a hold of herlevel in AEW.
I mean her and Toni Stormrivalry.
I mean that was one of the bestrivalries of the year.
I mean so I mean her heelworking that I mean with the
shoe and then the blood, and Imean all that with the shoe and
then the blood, and I mean allthat.
So I mean this is Mariah May'skind of match.
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I mean Thunder Rosa may havechallenged her in this, but this
is Mariah May's type of matchthough.
So I think that Mariah May isgoing to win this match.
It's going to be a brutal match.
It's going to be some blood.
I mean this is going to be ahardcore match.
I mean just straight up.
There's probably going to besome thumbtacks or something
comes out, somebody gets thrownon.
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I mean, mirai May has bled inalmost every match he's been in
so far.
So, with that being said, I gotMirai May winning in a brutal
match, for a special women'smatch especially that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Is that what you're going to say about that?
Yes, I said it's going to robme, wouldn't it?
And for the next match on thecard, it's MJF versus Adam Cole.
For the AEW Dynamite DiamondRing and MJF, in my opinion I
don't know if I mean most peopleI feel like will agree with me,
but I think he's the best heelin AEW, not like of the modern
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era, um and so, and he's donelike a lot of heel work like
that.
Don't that charity donation tothe, to the um, to world's end
pay-per-view, when he had aphotoshopped adam cole, um, that
was a very good segment andthis entire feud is one of the
best, like the best feuds in awhile.
Um, but I just think that mjfuh is gonna lose the dynamite
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diamond ring and adam cole'sgonna get it.
And I, just because adam colehas been one of the one, uh,
like on a, not a tear, but likehe's been winning uh, a lot of
matches, I guess.
But yeah, and adam cole's beenwinning not a lot of matches,
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but he's been winning someimportant matches against Kyle
O'Reilly and people like that.
That's why I think that AdamCole is going to win the AEW
Dynamite Diamond Ring and MJF isgoing to drop it.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, this should be a good match.
Like I said, they were tag teampartners, tag team.
They broke up, adam cole brokehis ankle then.
So the feud, kind of you know,lingered for a while because
adam cole was out injured I'mnot sure if without injury,
because he was gone for a whiletoo.
I think it was more contractnegotiations, I think that's
what he said.
Anyways, I'm not sure what wasgoing on with that.
(15:50):
Could be injured, but I don'tknow.
But anyways, uh, adam Colefinally came back.
You know he stabbed MJF in theback and then he was still hurt,
though, so he still couldn'twrestle.
But now, now he's finallycleared and him and MJF had been
going back and forth for eachother.
You know it was last week, mjftalking about him and Adam Cole
and Brick Breaker breaking up.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
So I mean, they've been hitting each other personal
, and so this match should be.
This should be like some kindof stipulation match, though
this should be like ano-holds-barred match or
something like that.
It should be, but it's not asfar as I know anyways.
But who'd you pick, mjf?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Oh no, no, I picked Adam Cole.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You, but who'd you pick MJF?
Oh no, no, I pick Adam Cole.
You pick Adam Cole Just becauseof the fact that MJF has won
every single Dynamite DiamondRing.
I'm going to go Adam Cole too.
I mean, it's about time for himto lose one of them.
He's won every single one.
This is the first one.
He's the only one that ever wonone, so I think it's time for
Adam Cole to win it.
I think he says he's going toretire too once he wins.
I think that's what he said onanother podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Adam Cole.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, he said on some other podcast I can't remember
the name of the podcast, but Iwas looking at it the other day
he was saying that somethingabout he was going to get rid of
it once he won, or somethinglike that.
He was saying I don't know, butwe'll see how it goes.
But yeah, I got Adam Cole justgot back recently from injury,
so I think he's the one thatneeds to end Dynamite Diamond
Ring for whatever that means asfar as going for a title or
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whatever that works.
But Adam Cole, I think, isgoing to win this match against
MJF.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, but one more thing on this match.
But one more thing on thismatch and also one thing I like
about this match.
These are two of my favoritewrestlers in NAW and, like you
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said, he said he's going toretire.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I don't know if that's 100% accurate or not.
I'm not sure what he's going todo with it.
That's what he said he'd wantto do if he wins, but I don't
know what he's actually going todo if he wins.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
In my opinion, I think if Adam Cole didn't get
hurt, he would be the bad guy inthis feud and MJF would be a
babyface for the first timebesides, when he teamed with
Adam Cole.
But yeah, that's all I'm goingto say on that match.
Is that all you're going to sayon that match?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, I got Adam Cole winningcold winter.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, and for the next match on the card it's
mercedes monet versus chrisstatlander for the aw tbs
championship.
And this is um part, not parttwo, but this is their second
match.
But, uh, in their first match,mercedes monet of one.
And so, yeah, for this one Idon't know, because their first
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match Mercedes Monet won.
I don't know, I feel like she'sgoing to win again, but then
again Chris Statlander, she's.
I'm not going to say talk aboutChris Statlander, but yeah,
mercedes-mone.
I think it's going to be thesame outcome as their first
(19:19):
match.
Is that it yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I was surprised Chris Statlander from this match.
I thought Camille would havegot a match because you know her
.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh yeah, definitely that's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, unless she is actually hurt.
She could actually be hurt,though.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
No, she could actually have an elbow injury or
whatever the case is, you know,while she's not wrestling
Because she hadn't had awrestling match in how long?
It's been a last time she had amatch with mercedes monet clish.
That lander won, wasn't?
She was on that samepay-per-view, I'm pretty sure I
think I can't remember.
(19:59):
Maybe I can't remember shemight have had a match on
dynamite or rampage or somethinglike that, but I can't remember
though for sure.
But yeah, I haven't seen herwrestle in a while, not that I
paid, not that I've seen anyways, but um, yeah, I thought it'd
be.
I thought it would be Camilleversus Mercedes Mernay, but
since she's not in this match,I'm thinking that she calls that
.
She go ahead and calls Mercedesto match.
(20:19):
Interference in the match callsher to match.
Chris Stadler wins it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean, that's a good way to get somebody back, you
know, and that starts a feudwith Mercedes and Camille,
because you don't need to,sometimes in some rivalille,
because you don't need to,sometimes in some rivalries.
You don't need belts yeah,that's just the rivalry itself.
It's just enough to do it.
You know, I mean like sometimesthe ride like cm punk and drew
magentire, or you know, like mjfand adam cole, they don't need
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a ring on that belt, they canjust fight each other.
You don't need that ring.
You just happen to have a ringinvolved yeah but that kind of
match, you just have that matchand just have it.
You know, like and so withmercedes, mercedes and um
camille, you don't even need abelt online.
I mean, belt helps because he'sa champion, but you can just
have them just go at each otherbecause that's a.
You know, she was working forit and she turned on her and
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then she's by herself.
So I got chris thatland.
I mean, I want mercedes to winbecause I'm in the locker, she's
a good wrestler and all that,but I think chris thatler is
going to win this match.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Uh, from in the fan, from camille but uh, yeah, for
the next or the main event forthe car is john moxley defending
the AW World Championshipagainst Orange, cassidy Hangman,
adam Page and Jade White, andfor this one the Death Riders
(21:44):
are guaranteed to get involved.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Oh, that's your ball from rings.
I don't know if there's anystipulations to that.
I haven't heard anything.
If any stipulations of that, Idon't know, I haven't heard
anything.
If there's not, then obviously.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
And there's more people in the Death Rider group
than the people who are tryingto defeat Jon Moxley.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You got the whole AEW .
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about, that you saw
Rampage last night People inthe match.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
We saw how Rampage did last night.
Everybody coming out about that.
You saw Rampage last night.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
People in the match.
We saw how Rampage did lastnight.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Everybody coming out like that.
I mean, if their rides do getinvolved, I'm sure people are
going to come in.
I'm not saying they will, butmaybe who knows?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, but personally I want Orange Cassidy to win.
Either Orange Cassidy or AdamPage.
I want Orange Cassidy to wineither Orange Cassidy or Adam
Page.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But I like, I'm almost guaranteed, at least in
my opinion, that Jon Moxley isgoing to win and retain the AWO
Championship.
Yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to use one of theseconspiracy theories.
They've been that they've beenthrown out here all over the
internet with death riders, thatsomebody's in control of them.
I mean, that's what people havebeen saying that sounds like
the most fake thing.
No, because John Moxley has also.
He said that he's doing it forthe greater good and he's not
(23:04):
the way he's saying.
He's not the one doing it.
He's being made to do this, youknow, for whatever reason.
Like, does that mean somebodyelse is making him do it, or is
he made me do it because of theway the fans and AEW have been
doing over the last few years?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But I know a name that's been.
I know this may not happen, butthis would be the one to bring
it in on, because it's calledWorld's End.
And what better way to end theyear with a wrestling name
debuting in AEW what.
I'm just throwing it out herebecause I heard his name been
thrown around AEW a while.
(23:40):
He's been seen.
Supposedly he's been seenaround AEW recently.
I don't know if there's anytruth to it or not, but Shane
McMahon.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I'm going to leave right now.
No, I'm just saying If ShaneMcMahon, if he's the one in
control Of that, I'm notwatching AEW.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I don't want to see Shane McMahon.
You don't have to see himwrestle.
You just see him in controlFrom an authority figure his
name alone.
He's a good man, so his name isgoing to hold weight In AEW.
And what better way to bring inWWE To AEW by having the son of
the ex-WB boss In AEW Workingfor AEW's boss now but kind of
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running his own little thing,kind of like NWO was they thing,
kind of nwo was they.
Can be kind of new age, the new,the new version, nwo like the
way, john moxley, I'm going theycan be kind of the new nwo,
because remember, remember, oh,you probably used to y'all watch
nwo whenever nwo, buteventually eric bischoff became
part of nwo yeah, and he waslike the head guy on tv for for
(24:48):
uh wcw yeah he wasn't the, buthe was the head.
He was the guy on TV.
He was like the Triple H of WCWback then.
So by him joining them it madeit look like they were the ones
kicking NWA controlling it.
I don't think they're going todo it, but if they do do it,
this would be the paper youwould do it in, right here.
(25:09):
This would be the one to do itEnd of the year.
But if they do do it, thiswould be the paper you would do
it in, right here.
This would be the one I'd do itin.
If you're on a high note, it'sgoing to be talked about for at
least the next month or so,especially with the way WWE is
going with the Kevin Owens andCody Rhodes and the Bloodline
stuff.
Aew needs something like thisto kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
But one thing Okay.
So if you think Shane McMahonis this haunting presence over
AEW, do you think Jon Moxley isthe leader of Death Riders, or
Shane McMahon?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I think they're both over it.
I think they're both kind of init.
I think Shane McMahon is theone that got in Jon Moxley's
head and kind of got him tothink about this.
And then John Moxley got hisfriends, the people he could
trust.
You know Pac, you know MarinaShafir, claudio Lil Yuta you
(26:03):
know I mean got them guys tofeed into a two and they're
taking over AEW.
You know I mean Claudio, thinkabout him.
He's never won a world.
He's never won a championship.
Besides, he was a ring honorchampion.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Before that, though, he should have been WWE champion
at least twice, you know.
I mean.
So he had to have his firstchance.
Willie Yuta hadn't had hisfirst shot, marina Shafir hadn't
had her fair shot, pack had hada fair shot.
I mean so you got guys whohadn't had fair shots into your
group with you, you know, andthey're all then they're
attacking people, you know.
So I think, not saying this isgoing to happen, but this would
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be the perfect view the world'send.
What better way it makes sense?
World's end.
Okay, the world is ending nowbecause shaman man has joined
aew.
I mean, man, it's an aew, youknow, I mean you don't, you
weren't born, yet when theMonday Night Raw war ended.
When I remember this because Iused to switch back and forth
(27:01):
for both shows when WCW gotbought out by WWE and Monday
Night Raw, this man came on TVon Monday Night Raw and he was
also on WCW TV.
Yes, go watch it on YouTube.
Wait.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
He came out on TV, on WWE TV, but they simulcast it
on WCW TV Because he bought himout and so he wanted to make a
storyline out of it.
And so the fans didn't knowthat.
Though the fans didn't know,vince McMahon had already bought
WCW already.
So when he came on TV sayingthat he had bought WCW,
(27:38):
everybody was like what theheck's going on, because Vince
McMahon's on WCW TV.
But then at the end of the showcomes to find out it wasn't
Vince McMahon that bought WCW,it was Shane that bought WCW.
And then that's what startedthe invasion angle yeah.
With WCW guys coming over andall those guys coming over, and
then they had the invasionpay-per-view.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But that's what I'm saying.
It kind of reminds me of theold WCW feud when they had that,
you know, the buyout thing.
So I don't know.
I mean I'm just throwing stuffout there.
It's a prediction show, couldbe wrong, could be 100% wrong,
could be partially right, Idon't know.
But I do think somebody may behelping out John Moxley and them
(28:22):
.
I mean, they're getting toomuch power.
I mean they're doing a lot ofstuff and nobody's suspended
them yet.
They kicked Darby Allin downthe steps.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
They smashed his head in the chair.
They kicked him down a flightof steps.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
And he's still wrestling, I mean.
I mean they've tried to runpeople over.
I feel like that's just fear atthat point.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
They attacked FTR.
They attacked him.
Nothing happened.
They attacked him.
They can't wrestle this year.
They're not clear until nextyear.
They are they're not going nextweek.
They can't wrestle next week,but they had.
They're supposed to.
They want to wrestle, I think,in pay-per-view, this weekend,
but they're not clear to wrestletonight.
So I mean, you gotta think theyhave a lot of people like that.
(29:04):
They've been killed.
Dave Bryant in the middle ofthe ring on TV.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And they didn't get suspended.
So it has to be somebody behindthe scenes that's letting them
get away with this stuff.
I think, Because there's no waythey're getting away with all
this stuff and nobody getssuspended.
They're just letting peoplejust try to kill people on live
TV.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I mean Tony Khan has been attacked on AEW before.
Maybe that's just fear.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Maybe, but we'll see how it goes.
But, but we'll see how it goes.
But yeah, I'm going to say JohnMoxley as well.
Just you pick John Moxley.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You want Arncashie to win, but you pick John Moxley.
Yeah, I mean Jay White, adamPage.
I mean this is a stacked matchright here.
I mean all four of these guysdeserve to win AEW World
Championship.
But yeah, just the way theDeath Riders have been going
recently, I don't see JohnBaxter in this building anytime
soon.
I mean, unless he wants to loseit.
(29:55):
I don't see him losing anytimesoon.
He has some power over AEW byhaving the belt, but but yeah,
anything else you want to add toit uh no that's it, yeah,
alright, so this has been theepisode.
I'm Ben.
welcome to the ben and bash podcast tag team talk
I'm ben I'm bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the ben
and bash podcast tag team talkall right, we are for another
one.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We are going to be doing a pre uh prediction show
for aw worlds and pay-per View.
Let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Okay, so for the first match on the card Is
Takeshita versus PowerhouseHobbs For the AEW International
Championship and for this one.
Powerhouse Hobbs is one of myfavorite wrestlers on AEW, but I
just think that Takeshita isbetter in ring and I just think
(00:47):
that he's going to win andretain.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, I mean, plus you got Don Callis and all that.
So interference and all thatcan happen too.
So you know how that goes.
You got a bunch of stuff thatcan happen in that match.
I mean if it's just a straightone-on-one match, powerhouse
Hobbs could win.
But knowing Takesh of stuffthat could happen in that match,
I mean if it's just a straightone-on-one match, powerhouse
Hobbs could win.
But knowing Tekeka and Duncowand all them, they're probably
(01:11):
going to do something tointerfere in the match,
something like that.
So I mean, as much as I wantPowerhouse Hobbs to win as well,
I think Tekeka is going to winas well on that one.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Okay, so for as well on that one.
Okay.
So for the next match on thecard is will osprey versus kyle
fletcher in the continentalclassic semi-final, and for this
one, a lot of the people onthis card are some of my
favorite aw wrestlers.
Um, and will osprey is one ofthose people, and um, so I'm,
(01:48):
I'm going to pick uh WillOspreay, and the history between
these two is uh very big, but Ithink Will Ospreay is going to
come out on top because in myopinion, he's the better
wrestler, but Kyleyle fletcherhas been uh kind of on a tear.
So you know what?
actually, I'm picking kylefletcher straight match, or he's
(02:11):
with don callous too yeah youthink he's gonna be straight up,
just a straight I think there'sgonna be like the slightest bit
of shenanigans, but mostly Ithink it's gonna be a one-on-one
mostly, mostly.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, this should be.
Are you going?
Oh, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, this should be a good oneon-one mostly, yeah,
this should be.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh yeah, I'm good.
Yeah, this should be a good one, Cal Flex and Will Ospreay also
being stable members, factionmembers, tag team partners,
whatever you want to call it butyeah, these would be best
friends than Cal Flex and Turnerand Will Ospreay a couple
months ago.
So, yeah, this should be one ofthe better matches.
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Actually, I mean AEW matchespretty much all the matches in
AEW usually are pretty good allthe way around, I mean.
But yeah, this match should beprobably one or two on the best
match of the car, as far as Ithink.
Anyways, yeah, like I said,Will Ospreay one of the best
wrestlers in the world.
I hope he can stay healthy.
I mean, he does a lot of flipsand stuff like that and just
(03:07):
hope he can stay healthy anddon't anything serious and he
can actually go.
He actually has a chance ofwinning this kind of classic
championship.
But yeah, I'm going to pick youpicked Kyle Fletcher.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, what are you going to pick?
Kyle Fletcher.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I don't know.
I mean, like I said, KyleFletcher has been on the tear
recently.
He has definitely been on thetear recently, especially since
he shaved his head in a linewith Don Cows and all that Yep.
But I think Will Ospreay isgoing to win this, just because
(03:46):
I think he's due for a big winlike this.
So I think Will.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Ospreay's going to win.
With the next match it's Okadaversus Ricochet, and for this
one, ricochet recently the fanshave just completely turned on
him Like U-turn turned on him.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Called Samantha Irvin .
People think he stole SamanthaIrvin from WWE.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
By him leaving, and then she left too, not too long
afterwards.
But I'm not saying it's theonly reason, but it's probably
one of the reasons people thinkand they were throwing toilet
paper at him.
I think he also said sorry togo off topic a little bit I
think he also said when AEWfirst started.
I think he said he was one ofthe reasons AEW was even started
(04:27):
, cause the rest was like him oh, you know what I'm saying he
said something along the lineslike that around the time AEW
started.
So I think the fans are stillkinda remembering that from
years ago when he was in WWE andthey kinda like let him hear it
now cause he's in AEW now sobut uh, yeah, so recently uh,
let him hear it now because he'sin AEW now but yeah, so
(04:51):
recently he's basically turnedheel because the fans made him
heel.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
He's one of the top heels basically in AEW because
they just boo him every timehe's out there.
I didn't think they were goingto bring toilet paper, though,
just to throw it out.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
there they call him trash.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, I mean, at that point they might as well just
bring Dorito bags.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
But for this one, I just think that Okada's going to
win, because I think it's goingto be him.
It's going to be him.
When the Continental Classicstarted, I figured that it would
be Okada versus somebody else,Him trying to retain his title
(05:37):
and not just lose it during theContinental Classic.
But yeah, so I'm picking Okadato beat Ricochet in this match
in the semifinal.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean, if Ricochet wins, then there's
going to be a new champion.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, automatically.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Because Okada loses his belt, ricochet doesn't get
the belt.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The winner of the kind of champion gets the belt
Okada's defending belt,defending champion.
So as long as he wins he keepshis belt.
If he was to lose to Ricochethe would lose his belt.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Ricochet wouldn't get it, though, until he wrestled,
you know whoever on the otherside.
Here's the thing.
Where is the Hurt businessgoing?
Well, the Hurt Syndicate, sorry, the Hurt Syndicate.
Where are they going to doRicochet?
Was this all?
Were they playing this wholetime Like trying to and Ricochet
(06:27):
is actually part of them andthey come interfering and let
him win the belt.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Or at least beat the champion.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, I mean what I'm saying.
I mean how does that work?
Like, do they come out andinterfere in the match and it
was all a ploy the whole timejust to kind of get the fans
thinking he wasn't in the group.
He was in the group the wholetime.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I think if that would happen, that would be in the
final.
But I just don't think Ricochetis making it to the finals,
that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So that's why you have to interfere in the
semifinals in order to make himmake it to the finals.
And in the finals I'm justthrowing this out there, just
saying, you know, I don't know.
I mean I want Ricochet to winjust because I want to see
Ricochet get booed even more bybeating Okada.
You know, ricochet being achampion will make the fans go
livid.
I mean you talk about Dumb andSerial New Day type of heat if
(07:11):
he wins.
And they already booing him.
Now if he wins the belt too, hereally, they really hate him,
yeah.
So I mean I just want to seewhat happens with Bobby Lashley
you know, mvp thing, sheldonBenjamin, see if he actually is
a part him in a group.
Or was it all just a ploy justto kind of throw us off so he
(07:33):
can come and interfere in thematch?
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That wouldn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't know how this is going to go.
I mean, that's why I predictthe show, I'm trying to predict
what happens.
But I mean Okada he still isone of the best wrestlers in the
world when he wrestles hiswrestling match.
He doesn still is one of thebest wrestlers in the world, if
not the best wrestler in theworld, when he wrestles his
wrestling match.
He doesn't wrestle often.
I mean, he wrestled morerecently because of the condom
championship, condom classic umrecently.
(07:59):
But this should be a good matchtoo.
I don't know, this is a hardone right here, mmm.
I'm gonna let him say Ricochetwins.
I'm gonna say Ricochet just tomake it different.
Say Ricochet wins.
I'm going to say Ricochet Justto make it different.
Say Ricochet wins.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Okay, is that what you're going to say?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, I'm going to say Ricochet and I'm going to
say the hurt syndicate getsinvolved some kind of way.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And for another match on the card, it's the winners
of the two Clinendo Classicsemifinal match.
I picked kyle fletcher andokada, so so my match would be
okada versus kyle fletcher and Ithink personally that okada
needs to drop the title, like Ilike his reign.
I've liked his reign so far,but I just think that he should
drop the title, and to a personwho's been on like an absolute
(08:53):
tear in AEW as an example ofKyle Fletcher.
So, yeah, I think Kyle Fletcheris going to win and win the AEW
Continental Championship.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And that would give Don Cala's two belts.
So you pick Takeshita too.
Yeah To win.
So you got Kyle Fletcherwinning the continental classic
over okada.
So for me I went with theclassic match that everybody
wants to see again, ricochetversus real osprey.
And this could be a tough matchthey had like in japan over the
(09:28):
super juniors and differentmatches like that but yeah,
ricochet versus Will Ospreay.
I got from my continentalchampionship match and I'm just
going to go ahead and sayRicochet wins all the way around
, just so fans can blow more.
I like seeing good heel work.
(09:48):
I like seeing good heel work.
What New Day is doing now, whatDominic does now, what Kyle
Fletcher's been doing recently,what Rhyme May has been doing
MJF I mean, I like seeing good,like John Moxley and them.
They've been tearing it up down.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I like seeing good heel work.
You know good heel work makeswrestling enjoyable because you
never know what they're going todo.
You have no idea what's goingto happen.
I mean because the fans booingthem.
You don't know what's going tohappen.
Are they going to get mad likeJohn Moss and start attacking
everybody?
Are they going to be like theNew Day and just try to get
people to like them, even thoughthey're getting booed at the
arena, you know?
(10:22):
Are they going to be likeDominic and just take MJF and
just take it in?
You know, but for me, I gotRicochet winning Continental
Classic Championship, and theHurt Syndicate also helps him
out in this match becauseeverybody knows he's part of it.
Now they're gonna help him out.
(10:43):
I think they're gonna help himout.
I think this is all a ploy toget him in the group, just so
people don't think that they'repart of it.
That's gonna help him becausethat's gonna get them out of the
belt and then, by bashing, dowhat he got to do, show Benjamin
what he has to do, and that canbe a good little group there.
So, yeah, I got a record shakewinning the Continental Classic.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, for the next match on the card, it's Mariah
Mae versus Thunder Rosa match onthe card is mariah may versus
thunder rosa and, um, I thinkthat's a um tijuana street fight
.
I think, oh yeah, I have.
No, what is that?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
it's a street fight just with a fancy name.
Well, they always put the nameof something in there, like
brooklyn street fight new jerseystreet fight boston street
fight whatever they just putthis is something street fight,
this is a street fight and theyalways put a different name on
it, though, but there's.
They usually put a differentname on the street fights, but
it's just something.
Street fight, it's just astreet fight, and they always
put a different name on it,though, but there's, they
usually put a different name onthe street fights but it's just
a street fight.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
They never just have like a plain street fight.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, because they always have it put in the city
area usually or something has todo with something they're in,
Like, I think Donna Rosa Tijuana.
I think there's a TijuanaStreet Fight match, so there's
no rules in the match.
So you know what Street Fightis?
Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, this is for the AEW Women's World Championship
and Mariah May ever since shebeat Toni Storm for the AEW
Women's World Championship, Ithink that she's just been one
of the top champions and one ofthe top heels.
And thunder rosa is a very bigname in aw, but I just think
(12:21):
that would just make mariah'smay uh movement up in the uh in
like the category of greatest ofall time in AEW.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Uh, if she beats uh Thunder Rosa yeah, yeah, I mean,
are you done, that's it oh yeah, yeah, I got Mirama as well.
I mean her.
She has been doing some greatwork in AEW since she debuted.
I mean she came from Stardom.
I wasn't.
I didn't watch Stardom a lot,but I was a little bit familiar
with her just because I watched.
I did watch a little bit, watchStardom a lot, but I was a
(12:51):
little bit familiar with herjust because I did watch a
little bit of Stardom and so,yeah, she was pretty good over
there too.
But she's taking a hold of herlevel in AEW.
I mean her and Toni Stormrivalry.
I mean that was one of the bestrivalries of the year.
I mean so I mean her heelworking that I mean with the
shoe and then the blood, and Imean all that with the shoe and
then the blood, and I mean allthat.
So I mean this is Mariah May'skind of match.
(13:14):
I mean Thunder Rosa may havechallenged her in this, but this
is Mariah May's type of matchthough.
So I think that Mariah May isgoing to win this match.
It's going to be a brutal match.
It's going to be some blood.
I mean this is going to be ahardcore match.
I mean just straight up.
There's probably going to besome thumbtacks or something
comes out, somebody gets thrownon.
(13:35):
I mean, mirai May has bled inalmost every match he's been in
so far.
So, with that being said, I gotMirai May winning in a brutal
match, for a special women'smatch especially that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Is that what you're going to say about that?
Yes, I said it's going to robme, wouldn't it?
And for the next match on thecard, it's MJF versus Adam Cole.
For the AEW Dynamite DiamondRing and MJF, in my opinion I
don't know if I mean most peopleI feel like will agree with me,
but I think he's the best heelin AEW, not like of the modern
(14:25):
era, um and so, and he's donelike a lot of heel work like
that.
Don't that charity donation tothe, to the um, to world's end
pay-per-view, when he had aphotoshopped adam cole, um, that
was a very good segment andthis entire feud is one of the
best, like the best feuds in awhile.
Um, but I just think that mjfuh is gonna lose the dynamite
(14:50):
diamond ring and adam cole'sgonna get it.
And I, just because adam colehas been one of the one, uh,
like on a, not a tear, but likehe's been winning uh, a lot of
matches, I guess.
But yeah, and adam cole's beenwinning not a lot of matches,
(15:10):
but he's been winning someimportant matches against Kyle
O'Reilly and people like that.
That's why I think that AdamCole is going to win the AEW
Dynamite Diamond Ring and MJF isgoing to drop it.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, this should be a good match.
Like I said, they were tag teampartners, tag team.
They broke up, adam cole brokehis ankle then.
So the feud, kind of you know,lingered for a while because
adam cole was out injured I'mnot sure if without injury,
because he was gone for a whiletoo.
I think it was more contractnegotiations, I think that's
what he said.
Anyways, I'm not sure what wasgoing on with that.
(15:50):
Could be injured, but I don'tknow.
But anyways, uh, adam Colefinally came back.
You know he stabbed MJF in theback and then he was still hurt,
though, so he still couldn'twrestle.
But now, now he's finallycleared and him and MJF had been
going back and forth for eachother.
You know it was last week, mjftalking about him and Adam Cole
and Brick Breaker breaking up.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
So I mean, they've been hitting each other personal
, and so this match should be.
This should be like some kindof stipulation match, though
this should be like ano-holds-barred match or
something like that.
It should be, but it's not asfar as I know anyways.
But who'd you pick, mjf?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Oh no, no, I picked Adam Cole.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You, but who'd you pick MJF?
Oh no, no, I pick Adam Cole.
You pick Adam Cole Just becauseof the fact that MJF has won
every single Dynamite DiamondRing.
I'm going to go Adam Cole too.
I mean, it's about time for himto lose one of them.
He's won every single one.
This is the first one.
He's the only one that ever wonone, so I think it's time for
Adam Cole to win it.
I think he says he's going toretire too once he wins.
I think that's what he said onanother podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Adam Cole.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, he said on some other podcast I can't remember
the name of the podcast, but Iwas looking at it the other day
he was saying that somethingabout he was going to get rid of
it once he won, or somethinglike that.
He was saying I don't know, butwe'll see how it goes.
But yeah, I got Adam Cole justgot back recently from injury,
so I think he's the one thatneeds to end Dynamite Diamond
Ring for whatever that means asfar as going for a title or
(17:18):
whatever that works.
But Adam Cole, I think, isgoing to win this match against
MJF.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, but one more thing on this match.
But one more thing on thismatch and also one thing I like
about this match.
These are two of my favoritewrestlers in NAW and, like you
(17:55):
said, he said he's going toretire.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I don't know if that's 100% accurate or not.
I'm not sure what he's going todo with it.
That's what he said he'd wantto do if he wins, but I don't
know what he's actually going todo if he wins.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
In my opinion, I think if Adam Cole didn't get
hurt, he would be the bad guy inthis feud and MJF would be a
babyface for the first timebesides, when he teamed with
Adam Cole.
But yeah, that's all I'm goingto say on that match.
Is that all you're going to sayon that match?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, I got Adam Cole winningcold winter.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, and for the next match on the card it's
mercedes monet versus chrisstatlander for the aw tbs
championship.
And this is um part, not parttwo, but this is their second
match.
But, uh, in their first match,mercedes monet of one.
And so, yeah, for this one Idon't know, because their first
(18:56):
match Mercedes Monet won.
I don't know, I feel like she'sgoing to win again, but then
again Chris Statlander, she's.
I'm not going to say talk aboutChris Statlander, but yeah,
mercedes-mone.
I think it's going to be thesame outcome as their first
(19:19):
match.
Is that it yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I was surprised Chris Statlander from this match.
I thought Camille would havegot a match because you know her
.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh yeah, definitely that's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, unless she is actually hurt.
She could actually be hurt,though.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
No, she could actually have an elbow injury or
whatever the case is, you know,while she's not wrestling
Because she hadn't had awrestling match in how long?
It's been a last time she had amatch with mercedes monet clish.
That lander won, wasn't?
She was on that samepay-per-view, I'm pretty sure I
think I can't remember.
(19:59):
Maybe I can't remember shemight have had a match on
dynamite or rampage or somethinglike that, but I can't remember
though for sure.
But yeah, I haven't seen herwrestle in a while, not that I
paid, not that I've seen anyways, but um, yeah, I thought it'd
be.
I thought it would be Camilleversus Mercedes Mernay, but
since she's not in this match,I'm thinking that she calls that
.
She go ahead and calls Mercedesto match.
(20:19):
Interference in the match callsher to match.
Chris Stadler wins it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean, that's a good way to get somebody back, you
know, and that starts a feudwith Mercedes and Camille,
because you don't need to,sometimes in some rivalille,
because you don't need to,sometimes in some rivalries.
You don't need belts yeah,that's just the rivalry itself.
It's just enough to do it.
You know, I mean like sometimesthe ride like cm punk and drew
magentire, or you know, like mjfand adam cole, they don't need
(20:45):
a ring on that belt, they canjust fight each other.
You don't need that ring.
You just happen to have a ringinvolved yeah but that kind of
match, you just have that matchand just have it.
You know, like and so withmercedes, mercedes and um
camille, you don't even need abelt online.
I mean, belt helps because he'sa champion, but you can just
have them just go at each otherbecause that's a.
You know, she was working forit and she turned on her and
(21:07):
then she's by herself.
So I got chris thatland.
I mean, I want mercedes to winbecause I'm in the locker, she's
a good wrestler and all that,but I think chris thatler is
going to win this match.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Uh, from in the fan, from camille but uh, yeah, for
the next or the main event forthe car is john moxley defending
the AW World Championshipagainst Orange, cassidy Hangman,
adam Page and Jade White, andfor this one the Death Riders
(21:44):
are guaranteed to get involved.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Oh, that's your ball from rings.
I don't know if there's anystipulations to that.
I haven't heard anything.
If any stipulations of that, Idon't know, I haven't heard
anything.
If there's not, then obviously.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
And there's more people in the Death Rider group
than the people who are tryingto defeat Jon Moxley.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You got the whole AEW .
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about, that you saw
Rampage last night People inthe match.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
We saw how Rampage did last night.
Everybody coming out about that.
You saw Rampage last night.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
People in the match.
We saw how Rampage did lastnight.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Everybody coming out like that.
I mean, if their rides do getinvolved, I'm sure people are
going to come in.
I'm not saying they will, butmaybe who knows?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, but personally I want Orange Cassidy to win.
Either Orange Cassidy or AdamPage.
I want Orange Cassidy to wineither Orange Cassidy or Adam
Page.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But I like, I'm almost guaranteed, at least in
my opinion, that Jon Moxley isgoing to win and retain the AWO
Championship.
Yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to use one of theseconspiracy theories.
They've been that they've beenthrown out here all over the
internet with death riders, thatsomebody's in control of them.
I mean, that's what people havebeen saying that sounds like
the most fake thing.
No, because John Moxley has also.
He said that he's doing it forthe greater good and he's not
(23:04):
the way he's saying.
He's not the one doing it.
He's being made to do this, youknow, for whatever reason.
Like, does that mean somebodyelse is making him do it, or is
he made me do it because of theway the fans and AEW have been
doing over the last few years?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But I know a name that's been.
I know this may not happen, butthis would be the one to bring
it in on, because it's calledWorld's End.
And what better way to end theyear with a wrestling name
debuting in AEW what.
I'm just throwing it out herebecause I heard his name been
thrown around AEW a while.
(23:40):
He's been seen.
Supposedly he's been seenaround AEW recently.
I don't know if there's anytruth to it or not, but Shane
McMahon.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I'm going to leave right now.
No, I'm just saying If ShaneMcMahon, if he's the one in
control Of that, I'm notwatching AEW.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I don't want to see Shane McMahon.
You don't have to see himwrestle.
You just see him in controlFrom an authority figure his
name alone.
He's a good man, so his name isgoing to hold weight In AEW.
And what better way to bring inWWE To AEW by having the son of
the ex-WB boss In AEW Workingfor AEW's boss now but kind of
(24:26):
running his own little thing,kind of like NWO was they thing,
kind of nwo was they.
Can be kind of new age, the new,the new version, nwo like the
way, john moxley, I'm going theycan be kind of the new nwo,
because remember, remember, oh,you probably used to y'all watch
nwo whenever nwo, buteventually eric bischoff became
part of nwo yeah, and he waslike the head guy on tv for for
(24:48):
uh wcw yeah he wasn't the, buthe was the head.
He was the guy on TV.
He was like the Triple H of WCWback then.
So by him joining them it madeit look like they were the ones
kicking NWA controlling it.
I don't think they're going todo it, but if they do do it,
this would be the paper youwould do it in, right here.
(25:09):
This would be the one to do itEnd of the year.
But if they do do it, thiswould be the paper you would do
it in, right here.
This would be the one I'd do itin.
If you're on a high note, it'sgoing to be talked about for at
least the next month or so,especially with the way WWE is
going with the Kevin Owens andCody Rhodes and the Bloodline
stuff.
Aew needs something like thisto kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
But one thing Okay.
So if you think Shane McMahonis this haunting presence over
AEW, do you think Jon Moxley isthe leader of Death Riders, or
Shane McMahon?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I think they're both over it.
I think they're both kind of init.
I think Shane McMahon is theone that got in Jon Moxley's
head and kind of got him tothink about this.
And then John Moxley got hisfriends, the people he could
trust.
You know Pac, you know MarinaShafir, claudio Lil Yuta you
(26:03):
know I mean got them guys tofeed into a two and they're
taking over AEW.
You know I mean Claudio, thinkabout him.
He's never won a world.
He's never won a championship.
Besides, he was a ring honorchampion.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Before that, though, he should have been WWE champion
at least twice, you know.
I mean.
So he had to have his firstchance.
Willie Yuta hadn't had hisfirst shot, marina Shafir hadn't
had her fair shot, pack had hada fair shot.
I mean so you got guys whohadn't had fair shots into your
group with you, you know, andthey're all then they're
attacking people, you know.
So I think, not saying this isgoing to happen, but this would
(26:40):
be the perfect view the world'send.
What better way it makes sense?
World's end.
Okay, the world is ending nowbecause shaman man has joined
aew.
I mean, man, it's an aew, youknow, I mean you don't, you
weren't born, yet when theMonday Night Raw war ended.
When I remember this because Iused to switch back and forth
(27:01):
for both shows when WCW gotbought out by WWE and Monday
Night Raw, this man came on TVon Monday Night Raw and he was
also on WCW TV.
Yes, go watch it on YouTube.
Wait.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
He came out on TV, on WWE TV, but they simulcast it
on WCW TV Because he bought himout and so he wanted to make a
storyline out of it.
And so the fans didn't knowthat.
Though the fans didn't know,vince McMahon had already bought
WCW already.
So when he came on TV sayingthat he had bought WCW,
(27:38):
everybody was like what theheck's going on, because Vince
McMahon's on WCW TV.
But then at the end of the showcomes to find out it wasn't
Vince McMahon that bought WCW,it was Shane that bought WCW.
And then that's what startedthe invasion angle yeah.
With WCW guys coming over andall those guys coming over, and
then they had the invasionpay-per-view.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But that's what I'm saying.
It kind of reminds me of theold WCW feud when they had that,
you know, the buyout thing.
So I don't know.
I mean I'm just throwing stuffout there.
It's a prediction show, couldbe wrong, could be 100% wrong,
could be partially right, Idon't know.
But I do think somebody may behelping out John Moxley and them
(28:22):
.
I mean, they're getting toomuch power.
I mean they're doing a lot ofstuff and nobody's suspended
them yet.
They kicked Darby Allin downthe steps.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
They smashed his head in the chair.
They kicked him down a flightof steps.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
And he's still wrestling, I mean.
I mean they've tried to runpeople over.
I feel like that's just fear atthat point.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
They attacked FTR.
They attacked him.
Nothing happened.
They attacked him.
They can't wrestle this year.
They're not clear until nextyear.
They are they're not going nextweek.
They can't wrestle next week,but they had.
They're supposed to.
They want to wrestle, I think,in pay-per-view, this weekend,
but they're not clear to wrestletonight.
So I mean, you gotta think theyhave a lot of people like that.
(29:04):
They've been killed.
Dave Bryant in the middle ofthe ring on TV.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And they didn't get suspended.
So it has to be somebody behindthe scenes that's letting them
get away with this stuff.
I think, Because there's no waythey're getting away with all
this stuff and nobody getssuspended.
They're just letting peoplejust try to kill people on live
TV.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I mean Tony Khan has been attacked on AEW before.
Maybe that's just fear.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Maybe, but we'll see how it goes.
But, but we'll see how it goes.
But yeah, I'm going to say JohnMoxley as well.
Just you pick John Moxley.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You want Arncashie to win, but you pick John Moxley.
Yeah, I mean Jay White, adamPage.
I mean this is a stacked matchright here.
I mean all four of these guysdeserve to win AEW World
Championship.
But yeah, just the way theDeath Riders have been going
recently, I don't see JohnBaxter in this building anytime
soon.
I mean, unless he wants to loseit.
(29:55):
I don't see him losing anytimesoon.
He has some power over AEW byhaving the belt, but but yeah,
anything else you want to add toit uh no that's it, yeah,
alright, so this has been theepisode.
I'm Ben.
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