August 31, 2024 • 29 mins
What if CM Punk's extensive experience in strap matches could set up a Hell in a Cell showdown at Bad Blood? This episode of Tag Team Talk promises to equip you with predictions for the highly anticipated Bash in Berlin event. We kick things off by dissecting the Drew McIntyre vs. CM Punk strap match, offering insights into how past experiences and unique match rules might influence the outcome. Our deep dive continues with a breakdown of the tag team clash between the Terror Twins and the New Judgment Day. Next, we shift gears to explore the complex landscape of international wrestling. From Randy Orton's revered global status to Gunther's overwhelming hometown advantage.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Ben and Bash podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Ben.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm Bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
All right, here you are for another one.
We are going to do ourpredictions for Bash and Berlin
today.
Let's get to it in.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Berlin today.
Let's get to it, For the firstmatch on the card is Drew
McIntyre versus CM Punk in astrap match.
And the thing about strapmatches that I don't like.
I thought it was just this one,but apparently it's all the
strap matches.
You have to touch each cornerof the ring.
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's the only rules in a strap match.
There's no other rules.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I thought it was just one, two, three in a normal
match.
But he has a strap.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, the only rules are you gotta touch all four
corners of the ring, all of thering posts at the same time,
which means you have to go inorder.
So let's say, CM Punk touchesone, two, three and Drew
McIntyre stops him from touchingthe fourth, it starts over.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And he has to go one, two, three, four again.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's like a game show type of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
So if you go like one, two,three and before CM Punk touches
the fourth, when Drew McIntyrepulls him, he has to start that
one.
Now he has to touch all fouragain.
You got to touch all four ofthem in order, without any
interruption.
That's how you win.
So the main premise, basically,is to beat your opponent down
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so bad where they can't stop you.
All you got to do is just walk,just walk normally.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And what I think is going to happen for this match.
Well, I think Sam Punk is goingto win, first of all because if
, unless they're going to dolike a Saffron's Cody Rose,
which I know they're not goingto do CM Punk has to win this
match in order to get that matchat what's it called Bad Blood
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blood.
So I think CM Punk's going towin.
But I'm just not predictingthat CM Punk's going to win.
I'm predicting how he's goingto win, Because I think he's
going to pull the strap into aGTS and then touch off four
corners.
So it's very specific on howhe's going to win.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So you got CM Punk winning yes.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
In that specific way I think I'm going to.
I deserve extra points if I getthat right.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Okay, I'm going.
This is a hard one, Because Imean you got two good wrestlers.
They both hate each other,seems like.
I mean now I will say now, likeDrew McIntyre said on the
kickoff show yesterday, CM Punkhas hit him, but he hasn't hit
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CM Punk yet with the strap.
When he hits CM Punk with thatstrap, maybe a different ball
game.
Then, Like Drew McIntyre said,CM Punk's hit him and he's came
back.
You know so.
And now it's not going to beany.
Every time CM Punk has attackedDrew McIntyre, it's been from
behind.
There's none of that in thismatch With the strap.
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He's been hitting him with thestraps, or belts, from behind
for the last few weeks.
This match, right here, you'reright in front of him.
There's no attacking frombehind.
You got to go one-on-one withme now Mm-hmm.
So I'm curious to see how thatgoes with the strap match,
because Drew is a strongeropponent.
I mean, he is stronger than CMPunk.
There's nobody who's going todoubt that the thing CM Punk has
over Drew is he's been in strapmatches.
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I don't think he's lost a strapmatch before and Drew McIntyre
has lost his own.
He only wrestled one strapmatch before and he lost it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, who's it against?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I can't remember who it was off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
How many CM Punk wrestled in a strap match?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I think like three or four.
I want to say he wrestled in adog car.
That was a dog car match in AEW.
He's wrestled in strap matchesbefore or matches where he's
been attached to another person.
Is a dog, neck to neck yeahit's like a strap match, but
only around your neck instead.
Yeah, yeah.
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Wouldn't that hurt.
Yeah, that's the point.
That's the point of it.
But so, yeah, CM Punk has beenin these kind of matches before
and he's done pretty well inthem, and Drew McIntyre has lost
his only strap match he's beenin.
I should look into it to seewhat it was by camera right now.
It's been a while ago.
But just based off experienceof the match, I'm going to pick
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CM Punk to win this match.
I don't know what happens afterthis.
I mean, well, it will be 1-1.
Drew McIntyre won the firstmatch.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, Drew McIntyre won the first match, right yeah,
at SummerSlam yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
SummerSlam.
Then CM Punk won the secondmatch.
I mean, technically, the onlyway left to go would be a Hell
in a Cell match at Bad Blood.
I mean, that's really the onlyway to finish this rivalry off.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So I'm going finish this rivalry off.
So I'm gonna pick cm punk, justbecause I want to see a third
match as a hell and sell at badblood.
That's, that's my prediction onthat one.
Okay, so for the next match, wehave the terror twins, damian
priest and rhea ripley versusversus dominic and live of the
new judgment day.
Now for this one, I was gonnasay Damian Priest and Rhea
Ripley, just to like build somemomentum up.
But I really don't know, forthis one I'm probably gonna
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think Rhea Ripley and DamianPriest, since they both lost at
SummerSlam to Gunther and LivMorgan, to Gunther and Liv
Morgan.
So to build some momentum goinginto Bad Blood, I guess, since
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I think it's going to be DamianPriest and Finn Balor and Rhea
Ripley versus Liv Morgan, butI'm not exactly sure that would
make the most sense.
So I think it's going to be theTerror Twins to build some
momentum going into Bad Blood.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think you're forgetting a huge, huge part of
this match what the Judgment Day.
I mean, you got Finn Balor, yougot JD, you got Carlito.
You think those guys are justgoing to let Dom and Liv have a
one-on-one match.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I mean a two-on-two match.
Yep, no, they're not Sure yep,absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Seal of approval.
They've never done that Seal ofapproval.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
They've interfered in every match, whether when they
and Priest didn't want tointerfere, they interfer, feared
I mean.
So they've always helped outtheir teammates and I don't see
it changing today.
But, like you said, as much asI think Judgment Day may win
just because of that and they'renot a new faction but they're a
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new faction with this lineup,with Liv Morgan and Finn Balor
being the leaders and all that.
But the Terror Twins are whothey are.
I mean, they were both worldchampions, not even two months
ago.
You know well Damian Priest was.
We were trying to get her beltback from being injured by Liv
Morgan.
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But yeah, I'm going to pick theTerror Twins and then, like you
said, liv Morgan versus RheaRipley at Bad Blood.
Damian Priest I guess he'sMorgan versus Rhea Ripley at Bad
Blood.
Damian Priest I guess he'sgoing to wrestle Finn Balor at
Bad Blood, since Finn Balor wasdefinitely the one who turned on
and Damian Priest hasn't gottenover it yet.
So yeah, I'm going with TerrorTwins on this one as well, just
for the simple fact that justtwo on two, dominic and Liv
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can't beat Damian and Rhea inthe actual match, even with the
Judgment Day interference, whichis what I'm kind of worried
about.
But yeah, I'm going to stillpick the Cherry 20 and Damian
Priest and Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Okay, for the next match on the card, it's going to
be the Unholy Union versusBianca Belair and Jade Cargill,
and for this one it's.
For most people, it's easy tosee that Bianca Belair and Jade
Cargill are going to win, but Ipersonally disagree, because I
think that Jade Cargill is goingto turn on Bianca at this
pay-per-view.
Um, but what I'm?
(08:29):
I'm uh, what I'm thinking about, if she's gonna turn before
they lose, or like she's gonnaturn before they lose, like
causing them to lose, or she'sgonna turn after the match, when
they already lost.
I I'm not sure when it's gonnahappen, but I think j's going to
turn.
So, either way before or afterthe match ends, I think the
Unholy Union is going to takethe W.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, I can't remember when they lost to Bells
originally.
Did one of them get pinned orwas it somebody else?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
No, it was Shayna Baszler and Zoe Stark.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
So neither one of them took a pin yet in the match
.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Against the whole Unholy Union.
I guess, or they might havenever taken a pin as a tag team.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Because Unholy Union won in Clash of the Castle.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, that's right.
And that was a triple threattag team match right Against Zoe
Stark and Shayna Baszler andthey pinned them.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So Bianca and Jay neither one of them have taken a
pin yet, since they've been tagteam and they did all the work
in that matchup.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The only way you can just push them out the way.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, I just I don't see Bianca and Jay staying
together for too long.
I mean everybody wants to seethem wrestle each other.
I mean that's a money feudright there.
I mean that right, there ismoney.
You don't even got to do muchwith that match.
You got two of the biggest,strongest, fastest, all the ESCs
that Bianca has.
Like I said before, jade hasthe same exact thing, if not
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stronger than Bianca.
It just depends on how you wantto look at it.
Jade is the obvious choice toturn, but what if Bianca turns?
I mean, she hasn't had a heelrun yet, except for NXT.
NXT.
Exactly, I'm talking about themain roster.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So she hadn't had a heel when she was on NXT she was
a great heel.
I mean she was doing basicallythe same thing she was doing now
, just being more animated.
It wasn't too much differentthan EST what she was doing
basically the same thing she wasdoing now, just being more
animated.
It wasn't too much differentthan EST what she was doing
right now.
I mean I'm going to sayBianca's going to turn because I
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want to see the Street Profitsturn too.
I want to see all three of themget together.
That's what I want to see.
I want to see the StreetProfits.
The problem with that is you'vegot B want to see the Street
Profits.
I mean, the problem with thatis you got B-Fab with the Street
Profits right now.
So I guess Bianca may not bewith them, because then you'll
have Well, you can have them asa tag team.
technically you can have Biancakind of mentor her and get her
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where they can be, ortechnically no, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, I was was gonna say something, but we were in
B5's whole career oh, biancaTackler yeah, no if they do, she
can join them.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I mean, that's what I'd like to see.
I'd like to see her and Montezactually work together in the
ring.
I mean, we know they're both,they're two of the two of the
best athletes in WWE.
So I would like, especiallywith them being married and all.
So I'm going to go out on alimb.
I'm probably going to be wrongabout this, but this is my
opinion.
This is what I want to see.
I want to see Bianca turn onJade, you know, finally get that
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heel and that main roster heelrun and that gives Jade the
opportunity to be a face, babyface and kind of keep the crowd.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So you think the Unholy Heroes are going to win
this match?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Unholy Heroes are going to win this match.
I think Bianca's going to getfrustrated with Jade and she's
going to attack Jade.
It sets up a match, maybe atBad Blood, maybe at Crown Jewel,
maybe afterwards.
I don't know how they're goingto stretch it out, but I think
it's about time to break up Jadeand Bianca and get them ready,
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unless they want to wait until.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
That's still another.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's next year, that's next April.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So, unless they want to wait until WrestleMania next
year and wait until the end ofthe year to break them up, if
they don't turn today, they'renot going to turn until before
WrestleMania.
If nobody turns until the otherday, it's going to stretch out
to WrestleMania, just the way ithappens, and they're going to
turn until before WrestleManiaor around World War I.
If nobody turns to each othertoday, it's going to stretch out
to WrestleMania, just the wayit happens, and they're going to
win.
I think the whole union is goingto win and they're going to
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turn on each other.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yep.
For the next match on the cardwe have Gunther versus Randy
Orton for the World HeavyweightChampionship.
Now, like I would really reallywant to say Randy Orton on here
, but it's Gunther's homecountry, he's-.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Not really his home country, but it's where he spent
a lot of his time wrestling.
He's from Austria, really.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh yeah, he is.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
He's from the same place as Arnold Schwarzenegger
in Austria.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Wait, Arnold Schwarzenegger is from Austria.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, not Australia, austria, yeah, austria.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Wait, aren't.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Swissians from Austria.
Yeah, not Australia.
Austria, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, it's the same place, Gunther's from you.
Gotta tell that to R-Truth.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Austria and Austria, yeah, I know, yeah, r-truth,
yeah, that's why I had to makesure you knew what I was talking
about, so you didn't wrestlinglike that.
So gunter went to germany andspent a lot of his time
wrestling in germany that's whyhe calls it the second home,
because, you know, and he and heplayed like a germ and he kind
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of like a german, a germanwrestler type, in um over in
england, over there in their, intheir company.
He kind of played a um, agerman type wrestler.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
But so I think Gunther's going to have like
people.
The commentary team is sayingthat Randy Orton is stepping
into like hostile territory.
Yeah, but I really disagreewith that I mean it's Randy
Orton.
Overseas countries love likeRandy Orton, cody Rose, but they
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also love their hometown personbetter.
I mean, it's Randy Orton.
Overseas countries love RandyOrton, cody Rhodes, but they
also love their hometown personbetter.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I mean, look at last night, when Louis Kizer came out
.
When was the last time you sawhim get cheered?
When was the last time you sawLouis Kizer get cheered for
anything?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't think he's actually ever been a babyface to
get cheered.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
That's what I'm saying.
He's never been cheered, Noteven in NXT.
That's what I'm saying.
Even in NXT, NXT UK, none ofthat.
He's never got cheered.
Once I can remember, and theycheered him when his music hit
and he came out.
They cheered him.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I'm not saying that Gunther's not going to get a
huge pop.
He is going to get a huge pop.
I'm just saying Randy Orton,he's a veteran and they give
that pop to those veterans likethat.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Of course he's respected.
He's Randy Orton.
He's had almost a 20-yearcareer.
He's tied for third all-time orsecond all-time.
Second all-time because Rickand John Cena are tied Him and
Triple H are tied right now, Ithink 14.
So, yeah, he has 14championships, 20 years of
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wrestling, almost 20 years ofwrestling, over 20 years
probably, yeah, I mean, youngestworld champion in history.
I mean, yeah, you can't denywhat Randy Orton has done, but
he is in the Günders, basicallyalmost Günders hometown though,
mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But he's in basically almost Gunter's hometown,
though, and for this I thinkRandy Orton is going to win
titles in a little bit, becauseI think it's going to be like
John Cena and Randy Orton tiedfor first place of all titles.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
We're forgetting about that too.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
We're forgetting about.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
John Cena.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean John Cena still has another year of
wrestling left.
He can easily feud with RandyOrton or Gunther or Cody or
Kevin Owens or CM Punk oranybody.
If he's serious about retiring,he has a whole year of fuse
that he can get going withpeople from his past, new
wrestlers, people that's noteven in WWE right now.
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That we're not even thinkingabout people in NXT.
Maybe John Cena could go to NXTand wrestle somebody on his
last run.
It's his last run.
He's never been to NXT beforeNot wrestled.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
He's been on NXT but never wrestled.
Yeah, but he's never wrestled.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So if he is actually getting ready to hang him up and
retire, he can pretty much goanywhere he wants to on his last
run.
So yeah, I would not doubt himand Randy Orton has a feud, but
go ahead if you think you'resaying.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
But for this match it's Gunther's second home he's
going to get a loud pop.
He's a new champion, he's agreat wrestler and I just don't
see him dropping the title onhis first defense against Randy
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Orton.
No disrespect to Randy Orton,no disrespect to Randy Orton,
but I just think Gunther needsto hold it and I think that
Triple H just wouldn't drop thetitle off of Gunther like that,
like one, two, three in hisfirst defense.
I don't think that's going tohappen.
So I'm going to say Gunther onthis one.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I'm also going to go, gunther as well.
I mean, you got to think aboutit.
Every title Gunther has had inWWE, he's held it for a long
time.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I mean, it's not even close.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
He's had them for well over a year.
Every single title NXT UK, youknow.
Then he had theIntercontinental Championship
for 666 days.
Yes exactly, and I think he'sgoing to hold.
He may not hold thischampionship for 600 days, but
he's going to at least hold it.
So probably WrestleMania nextyear, depending on who he
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wrestles.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I think he's going to wrestle with John Cena at
WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean it's going to be.
I'm just saying he's going tohold it.
I don't see anybody beatingGunther right now just because
the way he's been wrestling overthe past two years he's been, I
mean he's been the Gunthereverybody wanted when he first
came to WWE.
I mean he's lost a littleweight, he's got himself in
shape.
His chops are still deadly.
I mean there used to be afinishing move when he was
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wrestling in.
But but yeah, I got Guntherwinning that against Randy Orton
in a good match.
I think Randy Orton is going togive him everything he has, but
at the end I think Gunther isgoing to find a way to pull it
out, whether it's Lue or Kaiserhelps him out or just Gunther
beat some one-on-one.
But yeah, but yeah, I got to gofor winning that match.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I don't think this is going to be the one I want, but
We'll see Cody Rose versusKevin Owens in what I think is
going to be the main event forthe Undisputed WWE Championship.
So really, on this one, it'sreally easy.
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Really, on this one, it'sreally easy.
I would love to say Kevin Owens, because Friday Night Smackdown
yesterday marked eight yearssince Kevin Owens has had a
title.
And look who he lost it toGoldberg.
I would love to say Kevin Owenson this one, but I don't.
I don't see him.
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Um, I don't see him dethroningCody, at least not anytime soon.
So I'm gonna say Cody Rose onthis one, but I do think Kevin
Owens is gonna turn in thismatch, but he's, I think he's
gonna turn after the match andyeah.
So I just think Cody Rose isgonna win.
But one the other thing I thinkKevin think Cody Rose is going
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to win, but the other thing Ithink Kevin Owens is going to
try to target that knee of CodyRose, because he was saying that
he always bends down on a kneein his entrance and he didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
He does, he always does that Wait how?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
do you hurt your knee in a tour?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, he's in the match.
He has matches.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Oh, he hurt his knee in a match.
Evidently that's what it soundslike Kevin.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, he's in the match, he has matches.
Oh, he hurt his knee in a match.
Evidently that's what it soundslike Kevin Owens was talking
about.
You know those, thosenon-televised matches, but I'm
thinking like Cody Rhodes did.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That was that his knee that was hurting.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I don't know, I'm just saying the way Kevin Owens
sounded on Smackdown was thatCody Rhodes hurt his knee in a
match non-televised match duringthe tour of Germany and all the
European countries they were inover the past week.
Evidently he hurt his knee somekind of way in the match.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
That's a lot of flying.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, but that's how wrestlers wrestle.
There's no downtime, they haveno off-season.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
The only thing good about that is you get free
tickets to planes.
Yeah, pretty much.
And if you're the champ, ifyou're the world champ, they
give you front row seats.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Maybe, and if there's no, you might get your own
private jet if you're a champion.
Oh yeah, WWE do have their ownplane, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And if there's not front row, they just give you a
section to yourself.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, but I mean most of the time.
Wwe do have their own, they dofly their own planes.
Yeah, so a lot of times thosewrestlers just fly on WWE jets
anyways.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, but alright, sidetracking.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But were you done with Cody Rhodes and Kevin Owens
?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, I was just talking about Cody's bum knee,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, like I said, I like Kevin Owens.
I've been liking him since hewas Kevin Steen when Ring of
Honor and all that.
But I just don't see Cody Roselosing right now.
I mean, he beat Roman Reignsafter Roman Reigns had to build.
For how long did Roman Reignshave to build Over a?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
thousand days, a thousand and like thirty or like
seventy something around he wastop five all time.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I mean, there was only a whole family above him
Bruno Hulk Hogan, Bob Backlund.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Wait, no, he beat Hulk Hogan.
He beat Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Hulk had another reign that was a little bit
longer than that.
It was another Hulk reign.
I think he beat Hulk Hogan'sreign at like WrestleMania yeah
but he would have to wrestleuntil September of this year,
like this September coming up tobeat Hulk Hogan's other reign.
Yeah, hulk Hogan had anotherlong reign that he had, and then
Bruno had two reigns, includingthe longest ever in history, it
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was like seven years.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The Golden Era had a long championship rant.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, they didn't wrestle as much as they do now.
Yeah, they didn't wrestle asmuch as they do.
They didn't wrestle every weeklike we see on TV.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You know they might wrestle.
The champion might wrestle oncea month.
Maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But all right.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's good for the belt, but yeah, I got Cody
winning.
I just don't see Cody losingright now.
I mean, he beat Roman Reigns.
You can't beat Roman Reigns andthen lose the belt within a
year.
I mean, you just can't lose itwithin a year.
You have to keep the belt forat least a solid year.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Actually in like four months right, or like five
months, that's what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's what I'm saying you can't lose the belt,
the belt.
I don't think he's going tolose until WrestleMania next
year.
If he loses at WrestleManianext year, I mean but yeah, I
got Cody winning.
I mean, kevin Owens, being theveteran he is, he's going to
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attack the knee Kevin Owens.
That's why he was trying totell Cody Rhodes he didn't want
to wrestle him, because KevinOwens knows what he's going to
do in a title match he's goingto try to win, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Even if it's his friend.
Exactly, there are friends, butat the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Kevin Owens didn't want that match.
He didn't think he earned thetitle match.
He didn't want it at first.
They gave it to him Cool.
Now Kevin Owens knows Cody Roseis hurt.
Now Kevin Owens is going toturn into Kevin Owens.
And he's going to attack theknee in that match.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And in that match he's going to attack the knee.
Is Cody Rhodes going to be ableto not get hurt and keep his
belt?
That's what I want to see.
That's what I'm ready to see.
I mean, I got Cody Rhodeswinning, but it's not going to
be easy because Kevin Owens isgoing to attack that knee.
I mean, that's just how KevinOwens is, plus, it's been eight
years since he had the title.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I mean he wants that title back, especially losing to
someone like Goldberg.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Exactly, and the way he lost, to him too.
It wasn't even a good match.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Goldberg matches are never good matches.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But a guy like Kevin Owens losing the way he did.
He ain't never losing the wayhe did.
He never got a rematch that Iknow of for that belt Did he get
a rematch?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Plenty Roman Reigns.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I'm saying for that particular match that he lost
against Goldberg.
I don't remember him getting arematch for that belt.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
He got a match later on, but he never got an official
rematch against Goldberg.
But anyways, I got Cody Rhodeswinning in a hard-fought battle,
as usual, just like any KevinOwens matches.
But yeah, that's who I gotwinning it's Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Well, alright.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Anything else you want to talk about before we
close?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
this out.
Nah, I just.
Oh, one more thing.
The Basham Berlin card is likeso small, like there's one, two,
three, five, five matches onthe card that means each match
is probably going to be good orjust super long super long or
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there may be some surprises inthere now I think about it LA
Knights Open Challenge shouldhave been on Bachelor of Berlin
and Nia Jax versus Mi-Chenshould have been on Bachelor of
Berlin.
That's what happened yesterday,though.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
They had it yesterday , though in Berlin.
So they still had a match inBerlin, yes, you know.
And then Braun Breaker's notwrestling.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's surprising, but you know they got the
tournament championship going onright now.
Starting Monday.
There's three title matches nowand there's a match in Berlin.
They're probably going to waituntil Bad Blood to have those
title matches on the PremierLive events.
It's going to be some goodmatches, good long matches, or
there's going to be maybe somesurprises.
Maybe somebody comes out, Idon't know.
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Some good matches, good longmatches, or there's going to be
some maybe some surprises, maybesomebody comes out, I don't
know.
I'm just kind of curious to seewhat happens.
We have only five matches onthe card.
This is a short, premium liveevent.
I don't think this is going tohappen.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It could just be short.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It could just be a short premium live event.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
But I think Gunther and Ray, dior and Cody and Kevin
are going to be the ones, orDrew and Bum could go for a long
line, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I just want to know who's going to open the show up.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh, I think that's going to be.
It would be so funny if it'sCody Rose versus Kevin Owens.
They did that for ages.
That was in Cody Rose.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That's what I'm saying.
I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, you want to open a showwith a good match.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Oh no, I know what they're going to open a show
with.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Terror Twins vs Judgment Day.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They could.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That's what I think they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Some people don't like the opening card.
Put one of the best matches onthe opening card.
That way you start the pre-liveevent off hot.
The fans are into it.
Fans are hyped.
They get to see a good match.
They don't gotta wait all nightto see that match.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You start off good that's why Clash of the Castles
was so good.
They started off with an I Quitmatch exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So you start off good and that way.
Then you can kind of mellow itdown a little bit with a good
match like an Unholy Union matchpretty good match there and
then I mean card is going to bea good match, just based on the
people in the matches.
I mean there's no, there's nobad match on here.
I mean unholy union, albafireand aladon.
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A lot of people think that'sgoing to be, that's, that's.
They shouldn't be champions.
But if you've seen any wrestlingoutside wwe, you know that
albafire and aladon are greatwrestlers in their own right.
I mean, are they as good asBianca and Jade?
Don't know, they've beenwrestling longer, but I mean
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they've known each other foryears, longer than Jade and
Bianca have.
So they actually know eachother's moveset and all that.
They've wrestled each otherplenty of times.
So I mean you don't have anylike what do you call them
Squashes?
Look like it's going to happen.
I mean they're all going to begood matches.
I mean, yeah, we know Biancaand Jade are strong, but Alba,
(28:30):
fire and Aladon, they are thechampions for a reason.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You could be terrible , I mean even.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Dominic and Liv are good wrestlers in their own
right.
I mean yeah.
I mean, yeah, Rhea Ripley isprobably a better wrestler than
Liv Morgan.
Yeah, but is Damian Priest abetter wrestler than Dominic
overall?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You think so Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I don't know, man, you got to watch that
documentary to know.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I know he's been wrestling for a long time, but
Dominic has been traveling allaround the world learning how to
wrestle.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And Damien Priest hasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
No, I didn't say he hasn't, but, like Dominic, a lot
of times Dominic gets booed.
I mean he gets booed fairly, Imean because of what he did to
Rey Mysterio and all that andjust because he's his character.
Yeah, exactly.
But if you look at hiswrestling ability he's good he
can do.
He can wrestle almost any typeof wrestling match.
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You know, so I'm kind of curiousto see what he's going to do
with this new Judgment Day, ifthey're going to let him
actually wrestle, you know.
I mean, yeah, he's going tohave the heel stuff, he's going
to do it live and all that, butjust him, one-on-one matching
and just a match.
I'm kind of curious to let themsee what they're going to do
with that.
But yeah, but yeah.
So that's that's it with thatone.
Anything else you want to talkabout before we close this out?
(29:39):
No, alright, that's beenanother episode.
I'm Ben.
I'm back this has been.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Tag Team Talk.
Welcome to the Ben and Bash podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Ben.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm Bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
All right, here you are for another one.
We are going to do ourpredictions for Bash and Berlin
today.
Let's get to it in.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Berlin today.
Let's get to it, For the firstmatch on the card is Drew
McIntyre versus CM Punk in astrap match.
And the thing about strapmatches that I don't like.
I thought it was just this one,but apparently it's all the
strap matches.
You have to touch each cornerof the ring.
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's the only rules in a strap match.
There's no other rules.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I thought it was just one, two, three in a normal
match.
But he has a strap.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, the only rules are you gotta touch all four
corners of the ring, all of thering posts at the same time,
which means you have to go inorder.
So let's say, CM Punk touchesone, two, three and Drew
McIntyre stops him from touchingthe fourth, it starts over.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And he has to go one, two, three, four again.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's like a game show type of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
So if you go like one, two,three and before CM Punk touches
the fourth, when Drew McIntyrepulls him, he has to start that
one.
Now he has to touch all fouragain.
You got to touch all four ofthem in order, without any
interruption.
That's how you win.
So the main premise, basically,is to beat your opponent down
(01:33):
so bad where they can't stop you.
All you got to do is just walk,just walk normally.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And what I think is going to happen for this match.
Well, I think Sam Punk is goingto win, first of all because if
, unless they're going to dolike a Saffron's Cody Rose,
which I know they're not goingto do CM Punk has to win this
match in order to get that matchat what's it called Bad Blood
(02:01):
blood.
So I think CM Punk's going towin.
But I'm just not predictingthat CM Punk's going to win.
I'm predicting how he's goingto win, Because I think he's
going to pull the strap into aGTS and then touch off four
corners.
So it's very specific on howhe's going to win.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So you got CM Punk winning yes.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
In that specific way I think I'm going to.
I deserve extra points if I getthat right.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Okay, I'm going.
This is a hard one, Because Imean you got two good wrestlers.
They both hate each other,seems like.
I mean now I will say now, likeDrew McIntyre said on the
kickoff show yesterday, CM Punkhas hit him, but he hasn't hit
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CM Punk yet with the strap.
When he hits CM Punk with thatstrap, maybe a different ball
game.
Then, Like Drew McIntyre said,CM Punk's hit him and he's came
back.
You know so.
And now it's not going to beany.
Every time CM Punk has attackedDrew McIntyre, it's been from
behind.
There's none of that in thismatch With the strap.
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He's been hitting him with thestraps, or belts, from behind
for the last few weeks.
This match, right here, you'reright in front of him.
There's no attacking frombehind.
You got to go one-on-one withme now Mm-hmm.
So I'm curious to see how thatgoes with the strap match,
because Drew is a strongeropponent.
I mean, he is stronger than CMPunk.
There's nobody who's going todoubt that the thing CM Punk has
over Drew is he's been in strapmatches.
(03:41):
I don't think he's lost a strapmatch before and Drew McIntyre
has lost his own.
He only wrestled one strapmatch before and he lost it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, who's it against?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I can't remember who it was off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
How many CM Punk wrestled in a strap match?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, I think like three or four.
I want to say he wrestled in adog car.
That was a dog car match in AEW.
He's wrestled in strap matchesbefore or matches where he's
been attached to another person.
Is a dog, neck to neck yeahit's like a strap match, but
only around your neck instead.
Yeah, yeah.
(04:15):
Wouldn't that hurt.
Yeah, that's the point.
That's the point of it.
But so, yeah, CM Punk has beenin these kind of matches before
and he's done pretty well inthem, and Drew McIntyre has lost
his only strap match he's beenin.
I should look into it to seewhat it was by camera right now.
It's been a while ago.
But just based off experienceof the match, I'm going to pick
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CM Punk to win this match.
I don't know what happens afterthis.
I mean, well, it will be 1-1.
Drew McIntyre won the firstmatch.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, Drew McIntyre won the first match, right yeah,
at SummerSlam yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
SummerSlam.
Then CM Punk won the secondmatch.
I mean, technically, the onlyway left to go would be a Hell
in a Cell match at Bad Blood.
I mean, that's really the onlyway to finish this rivalry off.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So I'm going finish this rivalry off.
So I'm gonna pick cm punk, justbecause I want to see a third
match as a hell and sell at badblood.
That's, that's my prediction onthat one.
Okay, so for the next match, wehave the terror twins, damian
priest and rhea ripley versusversus dominic and live of the
new judgment day.
Now for this one, I was gonnasay Damian Priest and Rhea
Ripley, just to like build somemomentum up.
But I really don't know, forthis one I'm probably gonna
(05:34):
think Rhea Ripley and DamianPriest, since they both lost at
SummerSlam to Gunther and LivMorgan, to Gunther and Liv
Morgan.
So to build some momentum goinginto Bad Blood, I guess, since
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I think it's going to be DamianPriest and Finn Balor and Rhea
Ripley versus Liv Morgan, butI'm not exactly sure that would
make the most sense.
So I think it's going to be theTerror Twins to build some
momentum going into Bad Blood.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think you're forgetting a huge, huge part of
this match what the Judgment Day.
I mean, you got Finn Balor, yougot JD, you got Carlito.
You think those guys are justgoing to let Dom and Liv have a
one-on-one match.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I mean a two-on-two match.
Yep, no, they're not Sure yep,absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Seal of approval.
They've never done that Seal ofapproval.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
They've interfered in every match, whether when they
and Priest didn't want tointerfere, they interfer, feared
I mean.
So they've always helped outtheir teammates and I don't see
it changing today.
But, like you said, as much asI think Judgment Day may win
just because of that and they'renot a new faction but they're a
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new faction with this lineup,with Liv Morgan and Finn Balor
being the leaders and all that.
But the Terror Twins are whothey are.
I mean, they were both worldchampions, not even two months
ago.
You know well Damian Priest was.
We were trying to get her beltback from being injured by Liv
Morgan.
(07:18):
But yeah, I'm going to pick theTerror Twins and then, like you
said, liv Morgan versus RheaRipley at Bad Blood.
Damian Priest I guess he'sMorgan versus Rhea Ripley at Bad
Blood.
Damian Priest I guess he'sgoing to wrestle Finn Balor at
Bad Blood, since Finn Balor wasdefinitely the one who turned on
and Damian Priest hasn't gottenover it yet.
So yeah, I'm going with TerrorTwins on this one as well, just
for the simple fact that justtwo on two, dominic and Liv
(07:41):
can't beat Damian and Rhea inthe actual match, even with the
Judgment Day interference, whichis what I'm kind of worried
about.
But yeah, I'm going to stillpick the Cherry 20 and Damian
Priest and Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Okay, for the next match on the card, it's going to
be the Unholy Union versusBianca Belair and Jade Cargill,
and for this one it's.
For most people, it's easy tosee that Bianca Belair and Jade
Cargill are going to win, but Ipersonally disagree, because I
think that Jade Cargill is goingto turn on Bianca at this
pay-per-view.
Um, but what I'm?
(08:29):
I'm uh, what I'm thinking about, if she's gonna turn before
they lose, or like she's gonnaturn before they lose, like
causing them to lose, or she'sgonna turn after the match, when
they already lost.
I I'm not sure when it's gonnahappen, but I think j's going to
turn.
So, either way before or afterthe match ends, I think the
Unholy Union is going to takethe W.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, I can't remember when they lost to Bells
originally.
Did one of them get pinned orwas it somebody else?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
No, it was Shayna Baszler and Zoe Stark.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
So neither one of them took a pin yet in the match
.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Against the whole Unholy Union.
I guess, or they might havenever taken a pin as a tag team.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Because Unholy Union won in Clash of the Castle.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, that's right.
And that was a triple threattag team match right Against Zoe
Stark and Shayna Baszler andthey pinned them.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So Bianca and Jay neither one of them have taken a
pin yet, since they've been tagteam and they did all the work
in that matchup.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The only way you can just push them out the way.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, I just I don't see Bianca and Jay staying
together for too long.
I mean everybody wants to seethem wrestle each other.
I mean that's a money feudright there.
I mean that right, there ismoney.
You don't even got to do muchwith that match.
You got two of the biggest,strongest, fastest, all the ESCs
that Bianca has.
Like I said before, jade hasthe same exact thing, if not
(09:54):
stronger than Bianca.
It just depends on how you wantto look at it.
Jade is the obvious choice toturn, but what if Bianca turns?
I mean, she hasn't had a heelrun yet, except for NXT.
NXT.
Exactly, I'm talking about themain roster.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So she hadn't had a heel when she was on NXT she was
a great heel.
I mean she was doing basicallythe same thing she was doing now
, just being more animated.
It wasn't too much differentthan EST what she was doing
basically the same thing she wasdoing now, just being more
animated.
It wasn't too much differentthan EST what she was doing
right now.
I mean I'm going to sayBianca's going to turn because I
(10:36):
want to see the Street Profitsturn too.
I want to see all three of themget together.
That's what I want to see.
I want to see the StreetProfits.
The problem with that is you'vegot B want to see the Street
Profits.
I mean, the problem with thatis you got B-Fab with the Street
Profits right now.
So I guess Bianca may not bewith them, because then you'll
have Well, you can have them asa tag team.
technically you can have Biancakind of mentor her and get her
(10:56):
where they can be, ortechnically no, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, I was was gonna say something, but we were in
B5's whole career oh, biancaTackler yeah, no if they do, she
can join them.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I mean, that's what I'd like to see.
I'd like to see her and Montezactually work together in the
ring.
I mean, we know they're both,they're two of the two of the
best athletes in WWE.
So I would like, especiallywith them being married and all.
So I'm going to go out on alimb.
I'm probably going to be wrongabout this, but this is my
opinion.
This is what I want to see.
I want to see Bianca turn onJade, you know, finally get that
(11:32):
heel and that main roster heelrun and that gives Jade the
opportunity to be a face, babyface and kind of keep the crowd.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So you think the Unholy Heroes are going to win
this match?
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Unholy Heroes are going to win this match.
I think Bianca's going to getfrustrated with Jade and she's
going to attack Jade.
It sets up a match, maybe atBad Blood, maybe at Crown Jewel,
maybe afterwards.
I don't know how they're goingto stretch it out, but I think
it's about time to break up Jadeand Bianca and get them ready,
(12:13):
unless they want to wait until.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
That's still another.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's next year, that's next April.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So, unless they want to wait until WrestleMania next
year and wait until the end ofthe year to break them up, if
they don't turn today, they'renot going to turn until before
WrestleMania.
If nobody turns until the otherday, it's going to stretch out
to WrestleMania, just the way ithappens, and they're going to
turn until before WrestleManiaor around World War I.
If nobody turns to each othertoday, it's going to stretch out
to WrestleMania, just the wayit happens, and they're going to
win.
I think the whole union is goingto win and they're going to
(12:42):
turn on each other.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yep.
For the next match on the cardwe have Gunther versus Randy
Orton for the World HeavyweightChampionship.
Now, like I would really reallywant to say Randy Orton on here
, but it's Gunther's homecountry, he's-.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Not really his home country, but it's where he spent
a lot of his time wrestling.
He's from Austria, really.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh yeah, he is.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
He's from the same place as Arnold Schwarzenegger
in Austria.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Wait, Arnold Schwarzenegger is from Austria.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, not Australia, austria, yeah, austria.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Wait, aren't.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Swissians from Austria.
Yeah, not Australia.
Austria, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, it's the same place, Gunther's from you.
Gotta tell that to R-Truth.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Austria and Austria, yeah, I know, yeah, r-truth,
yeah, that's why I had to makesure you knew what I was talking
about, so you didn't wrestlinglike that.
So gunter went to germany andspent a lot of his time
wrestling in germany that's whyhe calls it the second home,
because, you know, and he and heplayed like a germ and he kind
(13:39):
of like a german, a germanwrestler type, in um over in
england, over there in their, intheir company.
He kind of played a um, agerman type wrestler.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
But so I think Gunther's going to have like
people.
The commentary team is sayingthat Randy Orton is stepping
into like hostile territory.
Yeah, but I really disagreewith that I mean it's Randy
Orton.
Overseas countries love likeRandy Orton, cody Rose, but they
(14:14):
also love their hometown personbetter.
I mean, it's Randy Orton.
Overseas countries love RandyOrton, cody Rhodes, but they
also love their hometown personbetter.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I mean, look at last night, when Louis Kizer came out
.
When was the last time you sawhim get cheered?
When was the last time you sawLouis Kizer get cheered for
anything?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't think he's actually ever been a babyface to
get cheered.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
That's what I'm saying.
He's never been cheered, Noteven in NXT.
That's what I'm saying.
Even in NXT, NXT UK, none ofthat.
He's never got cheered.
Once I can remember, and theycheered him when his music hit
and he came out.
They cheered him.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I'm not saying that Gunther's not going to get a
huge pop.
He is going to get a huge pop.
I'm just saying Randy Orton,he's a veteran and they give
that pop to those veterans likethat.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Of course he's respected.
He's Randy Orton.
He's had almost a 20-yearcareer.
He's tied for third all-time orsecond all-time.
Second all-time because Rickand John Cena are tied Him and
Triple H are tied right now, Ithink 14.
So, yeah, he has 14championships, 20 years of
(15:19):
wrestling, almost 20 years ofwrestling, over 20 years
probably, yeah, I mean, youngestworld champion in history.
I mean, yeah, you can't denywhat Randy Orton has done, but
he is in the Günders, basicallyalmost Günders hometown though,
mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But he's in basically almost Gunter's hometown,
though, and for this I thinkRandy Orton is going to win
titles in a little bit, becauseI think it's going to be like
John Cena and Randy Orton tiedfor first place of all titles.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
We're forgetting about that too.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
We're forgetting about.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
John Cena.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean John Cena still has another year of
wrestling left.
He can easily feud with RandyOrton or Gunther or Cody or
Kevin Owens or CM Punk oranybody.
If he's serious about retiring,he has a whole year of fuse
that he can get going withpeople from his past, new
wrestlers, people that's noteven in WWE right now.
(16:22):
That we're not even thinkingabout people in NXT.
Maybe John Cena could go to NXTand wrestle somebody on his
last run.
It's his last run.
He's never been to NXT beforeNot wrestled.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
He's been on NXT but never wrestled.
Yeah, but he's never wrestled.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So if he is actually getting ready to hang him up and
retire, he can pretty much goanywhere he wants to on his last
run.
So yeah, I would not doubt himand Randy Orton has a feud, but
go ahead if you think you'resaying.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
But for this match it's Gunther's second home he's
going to get a loud pop.
He's a new champion, he's agreat wrestler and I just don't
see him dropping the title onhis first defense against Randy
(17:14):
Orton.
No disrespect to Randy Orton,no disrespect to Randy Orton,
but I just think Gunther needsto hold it and I think that
Triple H just wouldn't drop thetitle off of Gunther like that,
like one, two, three in hisfirst defense.
I don't think that's going tohappen.
So I'm going to say Gunther onthis one.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I'm also going to go, gunther as well.
I mean, you got to think aboutit.
Every title Gunther has had inWWE, he's held it for a long
time.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I mean, it's not even close.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
He's had them for well over a year.
Every single title NXT UK, youknow.
Then he had theIntercontinental Championship
for 666 days.
Yes exactly, and I think he'sgoing to hold.
He may not hold thischampionship for 600 days, but
he's going to at least hold it.
So probably WrestleMania nextyear, depending on who he
(18:05):
wrestles.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I think he's going to wrestle with John Cena at
WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean it's going to be.
I'm just saying he's going tohold it.
I don't see anybody beatingGunther right now just because
the way he's been wrestling overthe past two years he's been, I
mean he's been the Gunthereverybody wanted when he first
came to WWE.
I mean he's lost a littleweight, he's got himself in
shape.
His chops are still deadly.
I mean there used to be afinishing move when he was
(18:28):
wrestling in.
But but yeah, I got Guntherwinning that against Randy Orton
in a good match.
I think Randy Orton is going togive him everything he has, but
at the end I think Gunther isgoing to find a way to pull it
out, whether it's Lue or Kaiserhelps him out or just Gunther
beat some one-on-one.
But yeah, but yeah, I got to gofor winning that match.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I don't think this is going to be the one I want, but
We'll see Cody Rose versusKevin Owens in what I think is
going to be the main event forthe Undisputed WWE Championship.
So really, on this one, it'sreally easy.
(19:12):
Really, on this one, it'sreally easy.
I would love to say Kevin Owens, because Friday Night Smackdown
yesterday marked eight yearssince Kevin Owens has had a
title.
And look who he lost it toGoldberg.
I would love to say Kevin Owenson this one, but I don't.
I don't see him.
(19:34):
Um, I don't see him dethroningCody, at least not anytime soon.
So I'm gonna say Cody Rose onthis one, but I do think Kevin
Owens is gonna turn in thismatch, but he's, I think he's
gonna turn after the match andyeah.
So I just think Cody Rose isgonna win.
But one the other thing I thinkKevin think Cody Rose is going
(19:54):
to win, but the other thing Ithink Kevin Owens is going to
try to target that knee of CodyRose, because he was saying that
he always bends down on a kneein his entrance and he didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
He does, he always does that Wait how?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
do you hurt your knee in a tour?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, he's in the match.
He has matches.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Oh, he hurt his knee in a match.
Evidently that's what it soundslike Kevin.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, he's in the match, he has matches.
Oh, he hurt his knee in a match.
Evidently that's what it soundslike Kevin Owens was talking
about.
You know those, thosenon-televised matches, but I'm
thinking like Cody Rhodes did.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That was that his knee that was hurting.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I don't know, I'm just saying the way Kevin Owens
sounded on Smackdown was thatCody Rhodes hurt his knee in a
match non-televised match duringthe tour of Germany and all the
European countries they were inover the past week.
Evidently he hurt his knee somekind of way in the match.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
That's a lot of flying.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, but that's how wrestlers wrestle.
There's no downtime, they haveno off-season.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
The only thing good about that is you get free
tickets to planes.
Yeah, pretty much.
And if you're the champ, ifyou're the world champ, they
give you front row seats.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Maybe, and if there's no, you might get your own
private jet if you're a champion.
Oh yeah, WWE do have their ownplane, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And if there's not front row, they just give you a
section to yourself.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, but I mean most of the time.
Wwe do have their own, they dofly their own planes.
Yeah, so a lot of times thosewrestlers just fly on WWE jets
anyways.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, but alright, sidetracking.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But were you done with Cody Rhodes and Kevin Owens
?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, I was just talking about Cody's bum knee,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, like I said, I like Kevin Owens.
I've been liking him since hewas Kevin Steen when Ring of
Honor and all that.
But I just don't see Cody Roselosing right now.
I mean, he beat Roman Reignsafter Roman Reigns had to build.
For how long did Roman Reignshave to build Over a?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
thousand days, a thousand and like thirty or like
seventy something around he wastop five all time.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I mean, there was only a whole family above him
Bruno Hulk Hogan, Bob Backlund.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Wait, no, he beat Hulk Hogan.
He beat Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Hulk had another reign that was a little bit
longer than that.
It was another Hulk reign.
I think he beat Hulk Hogan'sreign at like WrestleMania yeah
but he would have to wrestleuntil September of this year,
like this September coming up tobeat Hulk Hogan's other reign.
Yeah, hulk Hogan had anotherlong reign that he had, and then
Bruno had two reigns, includingthe longest ever in history, it
(22:31):
was like seven years.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
The Golden Era had a long championship rant.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, they didn't wrestle as much as they do now.
Yeah, they didn't wrestle asmuch as they do.
They didn't wrestle every weeklike we see on TV.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
You know they might wrestle.
The champion might wrestle oncea month.
Maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But all right.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's good for the belt, but yeah, I got Cody
winning.
I just don't see Cody losingright now.
I mean, he beat Roman Reigns.
You can't beat Roman Reigns andthen lose the belt within a
year.
I mean, you just can't lose itwithin a year.
You have to keep the belt forat least a solid year.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Actually in like four months right, or like five
months, that's what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's what I'm saying you can't lose the belt,
the belt.
I don't think he's going tolose until WrestleMania next
year.
If he loses at WrestleManianext year, I mean but yeah, I
got Cody winning.
I mean, kevin Owens, being theveteran he is, he's going to
(23:29):
attack the knee Kevin Owens.
That's why he was trying totell Cody Rhodes he didn't want
to wrestle him, because KevinOwens knows what he's going to
do in a title match he's goingto try to win, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Even if it's his friend.
Exactly, there are friends, butat the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Kevin Owens didn't want that match.
He didn't think he earned thetitle match.
He didn't want it at first.
They gave it to him Cool.
Now Kevin Owens knows Cody Roseis hurt.
Now Kevin Owens is going toturn into Kevin Owens.
And he's going to attack theknee in that match.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And in that match he's going to attack the knee.
Is Cody Rhodes going to be ableto not get hurt and keep his
belt?
That's what I want to see.
That's what I'm ready to see.
I mean, I got Cody Rhodeswinning, but it's not going to
be easy because Kevin Owens isgoing to attack that knee.
I mean, that's just how KevinOwens is, plus, it's been eight
years since he had the title.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I mean he wants that title back, especially losing to
someone like Goldberg.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Exactly, and the way he lost, to him too.
It wasn't even a good match.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Goldberg matches are never good matches.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But a guy like Kevin Owens losing the way he did.
He ain't never losing the wayhe did.
He never got a rematch that Iknow of for that belt Did he get
a rematch?
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Plenty Roman Reigns.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I'm saying for that particular match that he lost
against Goldberg.
I don't remember him getting arematch for that belt.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
He got a match later on, but he never got an official
rematch against Goldberg.
But anyways, I got Cody Rhodeswinning in a hard-fought battle,
as usual, just like any KevinOwens matches.
But yeah, that's who I gotwinning it's Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Well, alright.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Anything else you want to talk about before we
close?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
this out.
Nah, I just.
Oh, one more thing.
The Basham Berlin card is likeso small, like there's one, two,
three, five, five matches onthe card that means each match
is probably going to be good orjust super long super long or
(25:34):
there may be some surprises inthere now I think about it LA
Knights Open Challenge shouldhave been on Bachelor of Berlin
and Nia Jax versus Mi-Chenshould have been on Bachelor of
Berlin.
That's what happened yesterday,though.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
They had it yesterday , though in Berlin.
So they still had a match inBerlin, yes, you know.
And then Braun Breaker's notwrestling.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's surprising, but you know they got the
tournament championship going onright now.
Starting Monday.
There's three title matches nowand there's a match in Berlin.
They're probably going to waituntil Bad Blood to have those
title matches on the PremierLive events.
It's going to be some goodmatches, good long matches, or
there's going to be maybe somesurprises.
Maybe somebody comes out, Idon't know.
(26:17):
Some good matches, good longmatches, or there's going to be
some maybe some surprises, maybesomebody comes out, I don't
know.
I'm just kind of curious to seewhat happens.
We have only five matches onthe card.
This is a short, premium liveevent.
I don't think this is going tohappen.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It could just be short.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
It could just be a short premium live event.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
But I think Gunther and Ray, dior and Cody and Kevin
are going to be the ones, orDrew and Bum could go for a long
line, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I just want to know who's going to open the show up.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Oh, I think that's going to be.
It would be so funny if it'sCody Rose versus Kevin Owens.
They did that for ages.
That was in Cody Rose.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That's what I'm saying.
I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, you want to open a showwith a good match.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Oh no, I know what they're going to open a show
with.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Terror Twins vs Judgment Day.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They could.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That's what I think they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Some people don't like the opening card.
Put one of the best matches onthe opening card.
That way you start the pre-liveevent off hot.
The fans are into it.
Fans are hyped.
They get to see a good match.
They don't gotta wait all nightto see that match.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You start off good that's why Clash of the Castles
was so good.
They started off with an I Quitmatch exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So you start off good and that way.
Then you can kind of mellow itdown a little bit with a good
match like an Unholy Union matchpretty good match there and
then I mean card is going to bea good match, just based on the
people in the matches.
I mean there's no, there's nobad match on here.
I mean unholy union, albafireand aladon.
(27:46):
A lot of people think that'sgoing to be, that's, that's.
They shouldn't be champions.
But if you've seen any wrestlingoutside wwe, you know that
albafire and aladon are greatwrestlers in their own right.
I mean, are they as good asBianca and Jade?
Don't know, they've beenwrestling longer, but I mean
(28:07):
they've known each other foryears, longer than Jade and
Bianca have.
So they actually know eachother's moveset and all that.
They've wrestled each otherplenty of times.
So I mean you don't have anylike what do you call them
Squashes?
Look like it's going to happen.
I mean they're all going to begood matches.
I mean, yeah, we know Biancaand Jade are strong, but Alba,
(28:30):
fire and Aladon, they are thechampions for a reason.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You could be terrible , I mean even.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Dominic and Liv are good wrestlers in their own
right.
I mean yeah.
I mean, yeah, Rhea Ripley isprobably a better wrestler than
Liv Morgan.
Yeah, but is Damian Priest abetter wrestler than Dominic
overall?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You think so Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I don't know, man, you got to watch that
documentary to know.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I know he's been wrestling for a long time, but
Dominic has been traveling allaround the world learning how to
wrestle.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And Damien Priest hasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
No, I didn't say he hasn't, but, like Dominic, a lot
of times Dominic gets booed.
I mean he gets booed fairly, Imean because of what he did to
Rey Mysterio and all that andjust because he's his character.
Yeah, exactly.
But if you look at hiswrestling ability he's good he
can do.
He can wrestle almost any typeof wrestling match.
(29:18):
You know, so I'm kind of curiousto see what he's going to do
with this new Judgment Day, ifthey're going to let him
actually wrestle, you know.
I mean, yeah, he's going tohave the heel stuff, he's going
to do it live and all that, butjust him, one-on-one matching
and just a match.
I'm kind of curious to let themsee what they're going to do
with that.
But yeah, but yeah.
So that's that's it with thatone.
Anything else you want to talkabout before we close this out?
(29:39):
No, alright, that's beenanother episode.
I'm Ben.
I'm back this has been.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
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