June 16, 2024 • 33 mins
What if the recent I Quit match between AJ Styles and Cody Rhodes wasn't as straightforward as it seemed? This episode of Ben and Bash's Team Talks unpacks every twist and turn from Clash of the Castle, starting with our in-depth analysis of that very match for the Undisputed WWE Championship. From initial ratings that wavered as we dissected the action, to speculating on future storylines involving big names like Solo, Randy Orton, and the potential game-changer: Roman Reigns' return. We leave no stone unturned in our quest to make sense of the wrestling world's evolving landscape.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Ben and Bash podcast tag.
Team talks.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Ben.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm Bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash podcast tag.
Team talks.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Another episode.
Today we are going to bediscussing the Fallout, raidens,
rankins, everything from fromclash of the castle, um, you
know, we're just gonna give ouropinions on it.
How you feel about each match,break it down, where do we see
stuff possibly going?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
but let's get to it okay for the opener, which I was
very surprised was the openeraj, the phenomenal aj styles
versus the American NightmareCody Rose in an I Quit match for
the Undisputed WWE Championship.
Now, I didn't like this match.
I mean I liked it but I feltlike it could have had more in
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the match, like the OC comingout and like more, just like
just more stuff to the match,and so for that I'm gonna put it
at a 8.5, 8.5 out of 10 for amatch you didn't like, 8.5 is of
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10.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
From what she didn't like, hmm, from what she didn't
like, 8.5 is pretty high.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean I just thought it could be much better.
Like with those two superstars,it could be much better.
I mean 8.5 was me beinggenerous.
If I was actually going to rate, I would rate it like a 5.9.
Then give it a 5.9 then, Okay,5.9.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's how you really feel.
Don't be generous.
That's how you feel.
5.9, give it a 5.9.
So which one are you going togo with?
You're going with 5.9?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
5.9,.
Yeah, that's pretty bad.
I.
I mean I just didn't like it.
It could have been more to thematch.
I understand I got you Anythingelse with that one.
Actually, I'll bump it up to asix, Six yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, anything else with that?
No, yeah, I'm going to give ita little bit more generous than
Bash did.
I'm going to go 7.5, almost aneight.
I'm going to go 7.5, almost an8.
I mean, I think these two guysAJ Styles particularly proved
that he still has a lot left inthe tank.
I mean, yeah, he did the MarkHenry fake retirement thing, but
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he is closer to retirement agethan not.
So I don't know how much longerwe're going to be able to
witness a phenomenal AJ Stylesin WWE or wrestling in general,
but I think this match showsthat he still has what it takes
to be at the top you know thetop and challenge for whatever
title he wants to challenge at.
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Now I'm curious to kind of seewith AJ Styles if he's going to
do some TNA stuff, since TNA iskind of, you know, bridging the
gap and doing stuff with WB andWB's doing stuff with TNA.
I wonder if they're gonna letAJ Styles go over there and and
let him do stuff with thecompany he literally put on the
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map.
I mean, aj Styles Sting thoseguys.
They put TNA on the map in the2000s.
I do kind of wonder whatthey're going to do.
But back to the match.
I think that this match was agood match.
Like I said, it wasn't awrestling match, it was an I
Quit match.
There's never wrestling matcheswhen you have stipulations like
I Quit.
Last man Standing, old schoolFirst Blood matches.
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Matches like that there's norules, you just fight until your
opponent says I quit.
So a lot of times those aren'tgoing to be wrestling moves.
They're going to be usingobjects, going outside the ring,
going backstage, all kind ofstuff.
I give it a 7.5 to 8, I am kindof curious to see.
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It looks like Cody Rhodes nexttitle defense would be against
Solo.
The way it looks, probablygoing to be at SummerSlam.
The way it looks and if you goby what happens at the end of
the match, with Kevin Owens andRandy Orton coming out, it looks
like it may be a six-man atMoney in the Bank.
Since you got one PLE betweennow and SummerSlam, you got
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Money in the Bank, which I don'tthink they're going to put Solo
and Cody at Money in the Bank.
Probably, like I said, you'regoing to have a six-man tag team
match at Money in the Bank andthen that's going to lead into
SummerSlam with Solo versus CodyRhodes.
That's my prediction on thatone, but alrighty.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Wait, can I talk about what you just said?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So I personally disagree.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, that's fine.
I think that Money in the Bank,Cody Rose, Randy Orton and
Kevin Owens are going to lose.
I didn't say they're going towin either.
I didn't say they're going tolose, I just said they're going
to have a match against theBloodline.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
No, but like yeah, but when losing has something to
do with what I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, either they lose clean, which is probably
not going to happen, or I feellike, if they don't win clean,
randy Orton is going to attackCody Rose and Kevin Owens and
then it's going to set up amatch for Randy Orton against
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Cody Rose at SummerSlam so justgoing to be leave Solo out I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I mean he's the head of the table right now, so I
mean he hasn't had a singlematch on a Premier League event
since he became the head of thetable after Roman Reigns right.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
How do you know Roman Reigns isn't going to return?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That's what I think is going to happen.
Before SummerSlam, you think, Imean, I don't know.
I would think Like at the Moneyin the Bank pay-per-view when
they're standing tall.
Roman Reigns comes out Like aBrock Lesnar thing.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh yeah, I got you.
We got a whole month to figureout money in banking two months
before SummerSlam.
So we'll kind of see whathappens for the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, For the next match is Bianca Belair and Jay
Cargill versus the Unholy Unionversus Zoe and Shayna for the
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WWE Women's Tag TeamChampionships.
It was an odd type of match fora triple threat.
It was three people in the ringand you could only tag your tag
team partner and it was an okaymatch.
I'm going to put it at a six.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
A six.
Put it at six.
Six, yeah, okay.
Is that because you didn't likethe one in the match or just in
general?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, first of all, I don't like the way how it ended
.
I mean, I'm fine with theunholy union winning in Scotland
they're from Scotland but Idon't like how it ended, just
like moving Jade out the waythat was her finishing move,
they would have won Bianca andJade the match anyways.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So if that was their finishing move and then you move
them, have won Bianca and Jadethe match anyways.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So if that was their finishing move and then you move
them out the way, then you pinthem.
It's official, but I felt likethey could have hit their
finishing move if they have won.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But why do that when Jade and Bianca are the
finishing move that nobody'skicked out of yet since they've
been doing it?
Nobody's kicked out of thatmove yet since they've been
doing that move.
So why would Aladon and AlbaFire use another move when they
already got Shayna on the groundalready?
You see what I'm saying.
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If Aladon had came in there andsuplexed Jade, then Jade would
have pinned Shayna, would havewon Shayna with one match.
So it wasn't that much time inbetween for her to recover from
that.
So it was easier for her to getJade out of the way, pin her.
It's kind of like in a triplethreat match when somebody does
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a finishing move and thensomebody throws Ola to the ring
and pins the one on the groundreal quick.
Kind of the same thing, youknow.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I mean, it is the same thing, it's the tag team.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It's the tag team.
It's basically the same thing atriple threat match would have
done.
So I do a finish move on them,you throw them out the ring or
incapacitate them and then youfinish them off.
You know Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
But yeah, I was finished.
Anyways, I was just talkingabout how I didn't like the end
of the match, but overall, it'sa good six, six, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I'm going to be close to you.
I'm going to give it a seven.
I liked the match.
I really did like the match.
Like I said, it gave Aladon andAlba Fire.
If anybody's familiar with NXTUK or even before that, the
independent scene, icw andplaces like that, you know about
Alba Fire and Aladon.
I mean they're two extremelytalented wrestlers who I think
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people are going to see withthem having a tag team women's
titles.
Hopefully they can go to NXTand SmackDown or all over the
place and defend the belts andkind of show how good of a tag
team and wrestler that they are.
I mean Bianca and Jade theydon't really prove anything.
I mean Bianca's EST.
I mean she's done it all.
I mean she's won every belt youcould think of so far.
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I mean Jade she's new but herresume kind of speaks for itself
If you watch AEW.
I mean she only lost, I think,one or two matches.
I think, yeah, two matches inAEW.
So I mean they didn't reallyneed to have the belts.
I mean it was good for them tokind of get the belt.
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Jade learned from Bianca, kindof learned how everything goes.
But now I think this right herecan be the start of them kind
of finding their way and theneventually even probably having
their match at SummerSlam, whichI predicted to begin with.
But yeah, I think this matchesthe seven.
Like I said, I think Alba Fireand Aladon I liked it.
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They won in their hometown sothey got the hometown pop.
Especially with everythingthat's been going on with Al
Bafir personally over the lastfew weeks, this is a good win to
kind of take our mind offeverything that's been going on.
But yeah, I give it a good,solid seven on this match.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Now one thing I hope doesn't happen because, like
Jade and Bianca, doesn't happen,because like jade and bianca.
They're like like twosuperstars on the main roster.
What I hope doesn't happen isthat the tag team titles lose
the prestige they had with jadeand bianca because, like the
unholy union isn't that big oflike is of superstars on the
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main roster no, but they've beenwrestling longer than Bianca
and Jade, so I think Alice Farrwould wrestle longer than both
of them combined, so it's likethey can wrestle.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
They're probably just as good of a wrestler as Bianca
, if not a better wrestler, asfar as overall wrestling.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I know that, but like , hopefully they get like, like
the fight, that they keep thebelts and can defend against.
Yeah, and like they get the umtv time that they would deserve.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, I mean they should have been, I guess it
turned into like two minutematches yeah, I mean hopefully
being the tag team women'schampion and then being under uh
Triple H now yeah uh, I thinkthey may get the respect they
deserve.
They should have been had foryears.
So yeah, I mean all three tagteams were good.
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I'm glad they let Zoe andShayna, you know, in this match
as well.
I mean, all you know, all sixof these women are good
wrestlers, great wrestlers ingeneral some of them.
But you know, like I said, I'mjust glad they actually got the
opportunity to actually show.
It was a good long match, nottoo long, but long enough for
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everybody to get their stuff inand kind of show the WWE
universe and the fans and thecrowd and stuff like that how
good all of them are Okay forthe third and, I think, best
match on the card, sami Zaynversus Master Chad Gable for the
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Intercontinental Championship.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And this match was good.
I thought Otis was going toturn on him at this pay-per-view
, but maybe on Raw.
I thought Sammy was going towin, which he did, and I thought
Otis was going to turn on Chadleading Sami to win.
But it was a little different,with Maxine inadvertently
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getting hurt by Chad Gable whenSami Zayn rolled out of the ring
, ankle lock and Chad Gable ranit to Maxine and Otis carried
her out and thereforedistracting Chad Gable.
So Samahook hit a Luma kick andwin.
(13:32):
Now I like the match.
Good storyline, good rivalry, Iguess, built up.
I'll give it an 8.5.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm going to be right there with it, I'm going to
give it an 8.5 as well.
Only thing I didn't like wasChad Gable not winning.
Everything was there for Chadto win.
I predicted Chad to win beforeour prediction show to see who
would unseat Sami Zayn.
I pick Chad Gable anyways.
(14:07):
This is before he turned heellike he did, but now that he's
heel I'm surprised he hadn't won.
But I don't know if he's beenwatching Raw and SmackDown
behind the scenes.
He's been talking to the CreedBrothers and Avi now.
Backstage I don't know if you'vebeen noticing, there's been
little snippets of not showingthem directly, but like people
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doing interviews and stuff andChad Gable in the background
talking to the Creed Brothers,and there's another.
I think I forgot what.
I think it might have been thesame episode or a different
episode, but he was backstagetalking to Avi now again.
So I think that I been the sameepisode or a different episode,
but he was backstage talking toIvy Nile again.
So I think that I mean theCreed brothers and Chad Gable.
I mean that's a perfectalliance right there.
(14:50):
And Ivy Nile maybe and Ivy Niletoo, but I mean just the Creed
brothers and Chad Gable alone.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No, but oh, sorry to cut you off Very good.
But like Ivy Nile and MaxineDupree could have a rivalry,
Exactly.
But the thing about that, thatwould be three versus two, I
feel like.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I don't think that's going to.
I mean they're going to be Idon't think that it was.
If the Creed brothers come outand and turn heel, they're going
to beat up Otis and Tozawa andthat won't even be a rivalry
anymore.
That's just the way you know.
I mean, like I said, the Creedbrothers and Chad Gable, that's
a match.
That's a perfect match, becauseI mean they're all top tier
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Olympic wrestlers.
I mean the Creed brothers couldhave probably went to the
Olympics had they trained for it.
Chad Gable did go to theOlympics, you know, wasn't
successful out there, but hewent to the Olympics nonetheless
.
So I mean successful out there,but he went to the Olympics
nonetheless.
I think this is a perfect match.
It's a better match than Otis.
Otis is an Olympic-caliberwrestler too, but I think Otis
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is a better singles wrestlerthan he is in a tag team and all
that.
Not sure what's going to happenon Monday tomorrow, monday
Night Raw tomorrow, but I thinkthe way it's been looking,
they've been teasing the Creedbrothers during Chad Gable.
But yeah, I give it an 8.5, Ithink.
Just like I said, I just wasn'thappy with the outcome.
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I thought Chad could have won,but it may be setting up for the
Creed brothers to runinterference, for Chad to
finally win, and then the Creedbrothers can get their tag team
championships as well I'm notsure about the creed brothers
winning the tag teamchampionships, but everything's
(16:32):
right there.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
but like everything's right there, which what you
said besides you not being happyabout chad losing everything
you said basically same thing Iwas going to say, but a little
different.
One thing I was going to sayI'm not sure if the I mean the
Kree brothers probably will, butI don't want the Kree brothers
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to win, because I want AwesomeTruth's title reign to be a
little longer, because AwesomeTruth is my second favorite
all-time tag team and myfavorite tag team on the roster
right now.
And were you finished?
(17:21):
Yeah, I'm done with that one.
Okay, so for the last matchwell, not the last match the
fourth match um bailey versuspiper and evan um for the wwe
women's, and this match waspretty good, I would say, and I
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liked it.
I'm going to give it a 6.5.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
6.5?
Yep, anything else about it?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I mean, I like Chelsea Green's involvement in
this match and it was somepretty good moves and Piper
Niven showed why she shouldstill why she should still be be
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in these type of championshipmatches and I mean I don't have
much to say about this match.
It was pretty good.
They went in here and had anamazing match and I mean that's
all I really want to say aboutthis match yeah, I'm going to
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give it a probably 8.5.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I really enjoyed this match.
I mean Bailey's, she's alwaysbeen consistent as a champ.
I mean she doesn't get therecognition at all for what she
deserves as being one of thebetter female wrestlers in the
world.
Piper Niven showed that she'salso should be considered one of
the better female wrestlers inthe world.
Piper Niven showed that shealso should be considered one of
the best in the world as well.
I mean, a lot of people alreadyknow her when she was a Viper
(19:08):
in pre-WWE.
I mean, she's all over theworld.
Like she said, she was alreadya world champion before she
stepped foot in WWE.
But, yeah, I think this was agood showing for her.
Hopefully she can kind of stayin the main event picture, you
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know, and maybe eventually doeswin a championship.
I mean she proves that she canhold her own against a wrestler
like Bayley who, like I said,who has been consistent since
she debuted in NXT.
Like I said, chelsea Green,she's always, you know, going to
be entertaining, you know, anda good wrestler at that too.
But she's always going to beentertaining and a good wrestler
at that too, but she's alwaysgoing to be entertaining.
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I was kind of curious why Naomididn't kind of come out and help
out with that, because Chelseawas doing some crazy stuff.
Naomi didn't come out.
We know she was there becauseshe was on SmackDown the night
before.
But yeah, I was kind of curiousabout why Naomi didn't come out
.
We know she was there becauseshe was on SmackDown the night
before.
I was kind of curious about whyNaomi didn't come out.
Maybe that's kind of setting upa feud for SummerSlam Not
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SummerSlam because Bayley got towrestle Nia Jax, but after
SummerSlam or maybe Money in theBank or something like that.
But I don't know.
I'm kind of curious to seewhere this is going.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So I agree with you on Naomi and Bayley, but if they
do wrestle you don't thinkNaomi's winning.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I don't know.
I mean I like Naomi.
I liked Naomi when she was aheel.
She hadn't been a heel for awhile, but I like when she was a
heel.
I mean she is married to JimmyUso so I mean we'll see how that
goes when he does come back,how him and Jay and the
bloodline and Roman, all that'skind of tying together.
If it even does.
(20:53):
It may not, but you know, I'mjust kind of kind of here to see
what Naomi does, uh, in thefuture.
I mean she hadn't really had asuccessful run since she's been
back, so she needs to eitherchange something up or
reevaluate and stuff.
But she's too good of awrestler to be losing like this
all the time.
So, like I said, bayley is aconstant, professional, constant
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great wrestler, always puttingon good matches, no matter who
it's against.
But yeah, kind of curious tosee kind of what they do with
Piper and Bayley going into thefuture.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Okay, for the fifth and final match of the card.
We have Damian Preece versusDrew McIntyre for the World
Heavyweight Championship, andthis match was good.
You expected shenanigans fromCM Punk, but you didn't expect
these type of shenanigans.
And um, cm Punk came out as thereferee but it was so good
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production and camera anglesthat nobody realized it was CM
Punk.
Well, yeah, but you've been asuper long time camera angle
that nobody realized it was CMPunk I did Well, yeah, but
you've been like a super you'rea super long time.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I knew it was CM Punk from there, but yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And, um, they turned the camera to Drew McIntyre
looking at CM Punk, and thenDrew choked him out.
Well, tried to choke him out.
Then CM Punk low-blowed him,then Priest, um, then hit a
South of Heaven, choke slam andwon the match.
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Now, I didn't like the endingof it, but that's just because I
wanted Drew to win.
But then I realized, um, if CMPunk and Drew was the idea at
SummerSlam, drew couldn't winbecause he would have a title
match against Gunther and youcan't have Drew lose in between
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that time because he just hadthe title and lost it in five
minutes.
So you don't want twoback-to-back short reigns for
Drew McIntyre.
So, um, he almost had to losethat match.
If CM Punk versus Drew McIntyrewas the idea at SummerSlam.
And I'll give it a 7.5.
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The only reason I'm not doingit higher because, damian Priest
, feel like the third wheel hereand you should never feel like
the third wheel as the worldheavyweight champion.
And that's what I thought aboutthis match.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I'm going to give it an 8.
I mean, damian proved that hecan hang against a guy like Drew
, because leading up to theclash, drew kept telling Damian
that he didn't deserve it, heshouldn't have won the belt.
He wasn't that good of awrestler, all this trying to get
in Damien's head.
I think Damien took that toheart and wanted to prove that I
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am just as good as you are, ifnot better.
He proved it by beating him,although Damien did have a nasty
.
It could have been bad little.
I guess you call it a botch.
I guess when he tried to do hisfront flip off the top rope, I
mean his foot got caught up andluckily he didn't break anything
or tear anything.
I guess we'll find out onMonday if he can defend his belt
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or not, because that couldchange the whole thing right
there.
I mean, if he can't defend hisbelt, he has to give it up.
So if he gives it up, hopefullythat doesn't happen, but if he
has to, who's going to get thebelt?
You can't just give it toGunther.
You know he has a title shot.
You have to give it to somebodyelse.
So who's going to get the beltbefore Gunther wrestles at
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SummerSlam title shot you haveto get to somebody else.
So who's going to get the beltbefore going through the
wrestles at SummerSlam If DamianPriest can't wrestle?
Hopefully, even if he can'twrestle for right now, he'll be
healthy enough to wrestle atSummerSlam.
So it's two months away.
So as long as his injury isn'tmore than two months, he should
be good enough to keep the belt.
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But that was a nasty, nasty fallhe had.
I mean that could have been alot worse than what it looks
like.
But, like I said, we'll findout on Monday.
Hopefully we'll find out ifthey want to tell us anything
about his injury or lack thereofinjury or whatever the case may
be.
But yeah, like I said, this wasa pretty good match.
I figured CM Punk's going to dosomething to get involved in
(25:31):
the match.
I was kind of torn to figure outif he's going to cost in the
match or would he kind of costDamian the match instead.
I didn't really know but, likeI said, when he rolled into the
ring I knew it was him.
Like I said, I told Badz that'sCM Punk.
I knew that was CM Punk.
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I could tell from the hair andthen the shoes.
Really what gave it off causemost all referees in WWE were
black shoes.
If you look at all refereesthey wear black pants, black
shoes, and this referee had onNikes, almost like Jordans, but
I think they were Jordans orNikes.
But yeah, they.
I mean that.
(26:12):
Right there.
I said CM Punk.
I know CM Punk, he's in thering and the way the camera
ain't going to do it, becausenormally when referee slides to
the ring the camera shows arerunning to the ring and all that
.
And they had the back angle ofthem like hmm, that looks weird,
but it was CM Punk.
But I wasn't expecting that atall to happen that way.
Drew McIntyre was irate.
After the match They've beenshowing on social media all day
(26:35):
how mad he was Walking back tothe locker room.
Stu Bennett is one ofMcIntyre's best friends and even
he was going off on a post showabout.
Cm Punk should be fired, shouldnever wrestle again.
It was a screw job.
I mean it was.
I mean I understand it.
I mean they cost Drew McIntyreanother title match.
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I mean Drew McIntyre justcannot win.
Last year Clash of the Well, notthe last year, but the last
Clash of the Castle.
It was Sokoa's debut on themain roster.
When he caught Drew McIntyreagainst Roman Reigns Because the
Usos wasn't there, I mean thistime around it wasn't a
(27:18):
bloodline at all.
This time it was CM Punk.
I mean they have to get thisout the way.
I mean they have been at eachother's necks since CM Punk came
back at Survivor Series.
I mean the way Drew McIntyrestormed out when CM Punk music
hit, or before music even hit, Imean they need to fight, get it
out the way, get out theirsystem.
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I don't see it being a regularmatch.
It's going to be some kind ofstipulation because they hate
each other so much.
They have to do something justto finally end it.
But at the end of the day, kudosto Damian Priest.
He proved again that he's notjust a paper champ.
Like I said, I've been watchingDamian Priest since when he was
punished with Martinez in Ringof Honor, so I mean I've been
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aware of his work for a whilenow.
I'm glad he's getting therecognition like a lot of other
people in his card are gettingnow.
I'm glad that he's actuallyshowing that he can hang with
people like Drew McIntyre andactually hold his own.
It doesn't look like he justgot the belt, just had the belt,
but all right, anything else.
Real quick I got one more thingI got to talk about.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, real quick.
You said you saw Drew McIntyreafter the match.
I saw on YouTube CM Punk afterthe match.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
They show him putting referee stuff on.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, yeah, but like you saw it where he got the
uniform from the referee.
No.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Oh yeah, they show how he had the referee uniform
on.
He wasn't even.
He was backstage watching.
So according to social media,he was backstage watching the
match and then when the refereegot hurt, obviously you know a
freak comes in and helps out.
So he got a shirt from areferee and went out there.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's how you get a free shirt, did he?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
like no, he asked for it.
I gave it to him.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Why.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
They didn't know he needed it for it, I guess, just
saying.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Those referees need to get fired.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's how I'm just saying On the spot.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
They need to get fired.
I saw one where CM Punk waswalking backstage and as soon as
he walked backstage, cameraswere on him and he said he's the
best in the world.
He's the best in the world as awrestler.
He's the best in the world as acommentator.
He's the best in the world as awrestler, he's the best in the
world as a commentator.
And then you say now he's thebest in the world as a referee.
Yeah, but um, and I mean,that's all I was going to say
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about the match.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I was going to go back I didn't mention this
earlier with the first match ofthe night.
What was up with Cody Rhodeshitting AJ Styles after the
match?
With the steel chair, with thesteel steps?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't know.
I mean he said I quit, soexactly.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Aj Styles said I quit .
Cody Rhodes then hit him afterthe match.
Aj Styles wasn't even payingattention, he was still
handcuffed and Cody Rhodes hithim with steel steps.
I mean, that's, if Cody Rhodeswants to be a baby face, good
guy champ, that's kind of a heelmove right there.
You don't hit somebody whenthey're not paying attention
with steel steps.
I don't care how mad you are atthem.
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I mean, you're supposed to be agood guy?
You're supposed to wipe thataway.
The match is over with.
You won, you leave.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
He did that with Brock Lesnar too.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Exactly.
They didn't even call that hisqualification, brock Lesnar,
though.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, but that's still a disqualification.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, but it was still during the match, though
this was after the match wasalready over.
Aj Styles literally said I quit.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I can defend Cody Rhodes in this situation because
AJ Styles threatened his mom.
So I can defend Cody Rhodes forhitting him after the match,
but AJ Styles still said I quit.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
So it was still kind of a dirty move.
Exactly, I can defend him if hewas talking about his mom.
Yeah, he was talking about hismom during the match.
So he did what he had to duringthe match.
But after he picked the steelsteps up, he was going to smash
AJ Styles' head in with it.
Aj Styles said I quit, I quit,and the match was over.
So then you dropped the steelsteps, you get your belt, you
get your hand raised and youkiss the babies, hug the crowd,
sign autographs and then CodyRose will have to match.
You don't smash AJ Styles inthe head with steel steps.
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That's no better than what AJStyles did to Cody Rose when he
faked retirement in clotheslineand beat him down.
What's the difference?
I mean, there's two people.
Both guys were not expecting toget hit with anything.
Cody Rose wouldn't expect toget hit with a clothesline and
be down by AJ Styles.
Aj Styles wouldn't expect toget hit with steel steps when
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Cody Rose was standing rightthere.
So what's the difference?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I know the difference .
What's that AJ Styles didn'thit Cody Rose with steel steps.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, exactly, cody Rose was worse.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So Cody Rose would be the good guy.
He would be the baby face andall that face of the company.
But he's out here hittingpeople with steel steps after
matches.
That's a heel move, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
He's done a couple of those.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That's what I'm saying.
So is Colter Rose going to be aheel or is he going to be a CM
Punk type, where I meanotherwise, he has to make a
decision, because you can't begoing around hitting people with
steel steps after the matchesare over with.
I mean that's just not going toget the fans on your side doing
that.
You're going to get people madat you for doing that.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You're probably a babyface and you're out here
doing stuff like that.
I mean, personally, I wouldlove to see heel Cody Rose.
Yeah, phase of Heel Cody Rose,not Heel AEW Cody Rose, not Dash
, not Heel Undashing Cody Rose,not Heel Dashing Cody Rose.
I want a new version of HeelCody Rose if he's going to turn
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heel, which is probably not, butif he does, I want to see a new
version of Heel Cody Rose.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, anything else.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
No, I think that's it .
Speaker 2 (32:55):
All right, all right.
This has been another episode.
I'm Ben, I'm Bash.
This has been the episode ofTag.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Team Talk.
Welcome to the Ben and Bash podcast tag.
Team talks.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Ben.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm Bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash podcast tag.
Team talks.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Another episode.
Today we are going to bediscussing the Fallout, raidens,
rankins, everything from fromclash of the castle, um, you
know, we're just gonna give ouropinions on it.
How you feel about each match,break it down, where do we see
stuff possibly going?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
but let's get to it okay for the opener, which I was
very surprised was the openeraj, the phenomenal aj styles
versus the American NightmareCody Rose in an I Quit match for
the Undisputed WWE Championship.
Now, I didn't like this match.
I mean I liked it but I feltlike it could have had more in
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the match, like the OC comingout and like more, just like
just more stuff to the match,and so for that I'm gonna put it
at a 8.5, 8.5 out of 10 for amatch you didn't like, 8.5 is of
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10.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
From what she didn't like, hmm, from what she didn't
like, 8.5 is pretty high.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean I just thought it could be much better.
Like with those two superstars,it could be much better.
I mean 8.5 was me beinggenerous.
If I was actually going to rate, I would rate it like a 5.9.
Then give it a 5.9 then, Okay,5.9.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's how you really feel.
Don't be generous.
That's how you feel.
5.9, give it a 5.9.
So which one are you going togo with?
You're going with 5.9?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
5.9,.
Yeah, that's pretty bad.
I.
I mean I just didn't like it.
It could have been more to thematch.
I understand I got you Anythingelse with that one.
Actually, I'll bump it up to asix, Six yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, anything else with that?
No, yeah, I'm going to give ita little bit more generous than
Bash did.
I'm going to go 7.5, almost aneight.
I'm going to go 7.5, almost an8.
I mean, I think these two guysAJ Styles particularly proved
that he still has a lot left inthe tank.
I mean, yeah, he did the MarkHenry fake retirement thing, but
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he is closer to retirement agethan not.
So I don't know how much longerwe're going to be able to
witness a phenomenal AJ Stylesin WWE or wrestling in general,
but I think this match showsthat he still has what it takes
to be at the top you know thetop and challenge for whatever
title he wants to challenge at.
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Now I'm curious to kind of seewith AJ Styles if he's going to
do some TNA stuff, since TNA iskind of, you know, bridging the
gap and doing stuff with WB andWB's doing stuff with TNA.
I wonder if they're gonna letAJ Styles go over there and and
let him do stuff with thecompany he literally put on the
(03:22):
map.
I mean, aj Styles Sting thoseguys.
They put TNA on the map in the2000s.
I do kind of wonder whatthey're going to do.
But back to the match.
I think that this match was agood match.
Like I said, it wasn't awrestling match, it was an I
Quit match.
There's never wrestling matcheswhen you have stipulations like
I Quit.
Last man Standing, old schoolFirst Blood matches.
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Matches like that there's norules, you just fight until your
opponent says I quit.
So a lot of times those aren'tgoing to be wrestling moves.
They're going to be usingobjects, going outside the ring,
going backstage, all kind ofstuff.
I give it a 7.5 to 8, I am kindof curious to see.
(04:04):
It looks like Cody Rhodes nexttitle defense would be against
Solo.
The way it looks, probablygoing to be at SummerSlam.
The way it looks and if you goby what happens at the end of
the match, with Kevin Owens andRandy Orton coming out, it looks
like it may be a six-man atMoney in the Bank.
Since you got one PLE betweennow and SummerSlam, you got
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Money in the Bank, which I don'tthink they're going to put Solo
and Cody at Money in the Bank.
Probably, like I said, you'regoing to have a six-man tag team
match at Money in the Bank andthen that's going to lead into
SummerSlam with Solo versus CodyRhodes.
That's my prediction on thatone, but alrighty.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Wait, can I talk about what you just said?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So I personally disagree.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, that's fine.
I think that Money in the Bank,Cody Rose, Randy Orton and
Kevin Owens are going to lose.
I didn't say they're going towin either.
I didn't say they're going tolose, I just said they're going
to have a match against theBloodline.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
No, but like yeah, but when losing has something to
do with what I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, either they lose clean, which is probably
not going to happen, or I feellike, if they don't win clean,
randy Orton is going to attackCody Rose and Kevin Owens and
then it's going to set up amatch for Randy Orton against
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Cody Rose at SummerSlam so justgoing to be leave Solo out I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I mean he's the head of the table right now, so I
mean he hasn't had a singlematch on a Premier League event
since he became the head of thetable after Roman Reigns right.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
How do you know Roman Reigns isn't going to return?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That's what I think is going to happen.
Before SummerSlam, you think, Imean, I don't know.
I would think Like at the Moneyin the Bank pay-per-view when
they're standing tall.
Roman Reigns comes out Like aBrock Lesnar thing.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh yeah, I got you.
We got a whole month to figureout money in banking two months
before SummerSlam.
So we'll kind of see whathappens for the next few weeks.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, For the next match is Bianca Belair and Jay
Cargill versus the Unholy Unionversus Zoe and Shayna for the
(06:34):
WWE Women's Tag TeamChampionships.
It was an odd type of match fora triple threat.
It was three people in the ringand you could only tag your tag
team partner and it was an okaymatch.
I'm going to put it at a six.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
A six.
Put it at six.
Six, yeah, okay.
Is that because you didn't likethe one in the match or just in
general?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, first of all, I don't like the way how it ended
.
I mean, I'm fine with theunholy union winning in Scotland
they're from Scotland but Idon't like how it ended, just
like moving Jade out the waythat was her finishing move,
they would have won Bianca andJade the match anyways.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So if that was their finishing move and then you move
them, have won Bianca and Jadethe match anyways.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So if that was their finishing move and then you move
them out the way, then you pinthem.
It's official, but I felt likethey could have hit their
finishing move if they have won.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But why do that when Jade and Bianca are the
finishing move that nobody'skicked out of yet since they've
been doing it?
Nobody's kicked out of thatmove yet since they've been
doing that move.
So why would Aladon and AlbaFire use another move when they
already got Shayna on the groundalready?
You see what I'm saying.
(07:55):
If Aladon had came in there andsuplexed Jade, then Jade would
have pinned Shayna, would havewon Shayna with one match.
So it wasn't that much time inbetween for her to recover from
that.
So it was easier for her to getJade out of the way, pin her.
It's kind of like in a triplethreat match when somebody does
(08:16):
a finishing move and thensomebody throws Ola to the ring
and pins the one on the groundreal quick.
Kind of the same thing, youknow.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I mean, it is the same thing, it's the tag team.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It's the tag team.
It's basically the same thing atriple threat match would have
done.
So I do a finish move on them,you throw them out the ring or
incapacitate them and then youfinish them off.
You know Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
But yeah, I was finished.
Anyways, I was just talkingabout how I didn't like the end
of the match, but overall, it'sa good six, six, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I'm going to be close to you.
I'm going to give it a seven.
I liked the match.
I really did like the match.
Like I said, it gave Aladon andAlba Fire.
If anybody's familiar with NXTUK or even before that, the
independent scene, icw andplaces like that, you know about
Alba Fire and Aladon.
I mean they're two extremelytalented wrestlers who I think
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people are going to see withthem having a tag team women's
titles.
Hopefully they can go to NXTand SmackDown or all over the
place and defend the belts andkind of show how good of a tag
team and wrestler that they are.
I mean Bianca and Jade theydon't really prove anything.
I mean Bianca's EST.
I mean she's done it all.
I mean she's won every belt youcould think of so far.
(09:38):
I mean Jade she's new but herresume kind of speaks for itself
If you watch AEW.
I mean she only lost, I think,one or two matches.
I think, yeah, two matches inAEW.
So I mean they didn't reallyneed to have the belts.
I mean it was good for them tokind of get the belt.
(09:59):
Jade learned from Bianca, kindof learned how everything goes.
But now I think this right herecan be the start of them kind
of finding their way and theneventually even probably having
their match at SummerSlam, whichI predicted to begin with.
But yeah, I think this matchesthe seven.
Like I said, I think Alba Fireand Aladon I liked it.
(10:21):
They won in their hometown sothey got the hometown pop.
Especially with everythingthat's been going on with Al
Bafir personally over the lastfew weeks, this is a good win to
kind of take our mind offeverything that's been going on.
But yeah, I give it a good,solid seven on this match.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Now one thing I hope doesn't happen because, like
Jade and Bianca, doesn't happen,because like jade and bianca.
They're like like twosuperstars on the main roster.
What I hope doesn't happen isthat the tag team titles lose
the prestige they had with jadeand bianca because, like the
unholy union isn't that big oflike is of superstars on the
(11:02):
main roster no, but they've beenwrestling longer than Bianca
and Jade, so I think Alice Farrwould wrestle longer than both
of them combined, so it's likethey can wrestle.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
They're probably just as good of a wrestler as Bianca
, if not a better wrestler, asfar as overall wrestling.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I know that, but like , hopefully they get like, like
the fight, that they keep thebelts and can defend against.
Yeah, and like they get the umtv time that they would deserve.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, I mean they should have been, I guess it
turned into like two minutematches yeah, I mean hopefully
being the tag team women'schampion and then being under uh
Triple H now yeah uh, I thinkthey may get the respect they
deserve.
They should have been had foryears.
So yeah, I mean all three tagteams were good.
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I'm glad they let Zoe andShayna, you know, in this match
as well.
I mean, all you know, all sixof these women are good
wrestlers, great wrestlers ingeneral some of them.
But you know, like I said, I'mjust glad they actually got the
opportunity to actually show.
It was a good long match, nottoo long, but long enough for
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everybody to get their stuff inand kind of show the WWE
universe and the fans and thecrowd and stuff like that how
good all of them are Okay forthe third and, I think, best
match on the card, sami Zaynversus Master Chad Gable for the
(12:40):
Intercontinental Championship.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And this match was good.
I thought Otis was going toturn on him at this pay-per-view
, but maybe on Raw.
I thought Sammy was going towin, which he did, and I thought
Otis was going to turn on Chadleading Sami to win.
But it was a little different,with Maxine inadvertently
(13:10):
getting hurt by Chad Gable whenSami Zayn rolled out of the ring
, ankle lock and Chad Gable ranit to Maxine and Otis carried
her out and thereforedistracting Chad Gable.
So Samahook hit a Luma kick andwin.
(13:32):
Now I like the match.
Good storyline, good rivalry, Iguess, built up.
I'll give it an 8.5.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm going to be right there with it, I'm going to
give it an 8.5 as well.
Only thing I didn't like wasChad Gable not winning.
Everything was there for Chadto win.
I predicted Chad to win beforeour prediction show to see who
would unseat Sami Zayn.
I pick Chad Gable anyways.
(14:07):
This is before he turned heellike he did, but now that he's
heel I'm surprised he hadn't won.
But I don't know if he's beenwatching Raw and SmackDown
behind the scenes.
He's been talking to the CreedBrothers and Avi now.
Backstage I don't know if you'vebeen noticing, there's been
little snippets of not showingthem directly, but like people
(14:30):
doing interviews and stuff andChad Gable in the background
talking to the Creed Brothers,and there's another.
I think I forgot what.
I think it might have been thesame episode or a different
episode, but he was backstagetalking to Avi now again.
So I think that I been the sameepisode or a different episode,
but he was backstage talking toIvy Nile again.
So I think that I mean theCreed brothers and Chad Gable.
I mean that's a perfectalliance right there.
(14:50):
And Ivy Nile maybe and Ivy Niletoo, but I mean just the Creed
brothers and Chad Gable alone.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No, but oh, sorry to cut you off Very good.
But like Ivy Nile and MaxineDupree could have a rivalry,
Exactly.
But the thing about that, thatwould be three versus two, I
feel like.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I don't think that's going to.
I mean they're going to be Idon't think that it was.
If the Creed brothers come outand and turn heel, they're going
to beat up Otis and Tozawa andthat won't even be a rivalry
anymore.
That's just the way you know.
I mean, like I said, the Creedbrothers and Chad Gable, that's
a match.
That's a perfect match, becauseI mean they're all top tier
(15:28):
Olympic wrestlers.
I mean the Creed brothers couldhave probably went to the
Olympics had they trained for it.
Chad Gable did go to theOlympics, you know, wasn't
successful out there, but hewent to the Olympics nonetheless
.
So I mean successful out there,but he went to the Olympics
nonetheless.
I think this is a perfect match.
It's a better match than Otis.
Otis is an Olympic-caliberwrestler too, but I think Otis
(15:48):
is a better singles wrestlerthan he is in a tag team and all
that.
Not sure what's going to happenon Monday tomorrow, monday
Night Raw tomorrow, but I thinkthe way it's been looking,
they've been teasing the Creedbrothers during Chad Gable.
But yeah, I give it an 8.5, Ithink.
Just like I said, I just wasn'thappy with the outcome.
(16:11):
I thought Chad could have won,but it may be setting up for the
Creed brothers to runinterference, for Chad to
finally win, and then the Creedbrothers can get their tag team
championships as well I'm notsure about the creed brothers
winning the tag teamchampionships, but everything's
(16:32):
right there.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
but like everything's right there, which what you
said besides you not being happyabout chad losing everything
you said basically same thing Iwas going to say, but a little
different.
One thing I was going to sayI'm not sure if the I mean the
Kree brothers probably will, butI don't want the Kree brothers
(16:58):
to win, because I want AwesomeTruth's title reign to be a
little longer, because AwesomeTruth is my second favorite
all-time tag team and myfavorite tag team on the roster
right now.
And were you finished?
(17:21):
Yeah, I'm done with that one.
Okay, so for the last matchwell, not the last match the
fourth match um bailey versuspiper and evan um for the wwe
women's, and this match waspretty good, I would say, and I
(17:45):
liked it.
I'm going to give it a 6.5.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
6.5?
Yep, anything else about it?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I mean, I like Chelsea Green's involvement in
this match and it was somepretty good moves and Piper
Niven showed why she shouldstill why she should still be be
(18:21):
in these type of championshipmatches and I mean I don't have
much to say about this match.
It was pretty good.
They went in here and had anamazing match and I mean that's
all I really want to say aboutthis match yeah, I'm going to
(18:45):
give it a probably 8.5.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I really enjoyed this match.
I mean Bailey's, she's alwaysbeen consistent as a champ.
I mean she doesn't get therecognition at all for what she
deserves as being one of thebetter female wrestlers in the
world.
Piper Niven showed that she'salso should be considered one of
the better female wrestlers inthe world.
Piper Niven showed that shealso should be considered one of
the best in the world as well.
I mean, a lot of people alreadyknow her when she was a Viper
(19:08):
in pre-WWE.
I mean, she's all over theworld.
Like she said, she was alreadya world champion before she
stepped foot in WWE.
But, yeah, I think this was agood showing for her.
Hopefully she can kind of stayin the main event picture, you
(19:28):
know, and maybe eventually doeswin a championship.
I mean she proves that she canhold her own against a wrestler
like Bayley who, like I said,who has been consistent since
she debuted in NXT.
Like I said, chelsea Green,she's always, you know, going to
be entertaining, you know, anda good wrestler at that too.
But she's always going to beentertaining and a good wrestler
at that too, but she's alwaysgoing to be entertaining.
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I was kind of curious why Naomididn't kind of come out and help
out with that, because Chelseawas doing some crazy stuff.
Naomi didn't come out.
We know she was there becauseshe was on SmackDown the night
before.
But yeah, I was kind of curiousabout why Naomi didn't come out
.
We know she was there becauseshe was on SmackDown the night
before.
I was kind of curious about whyNaomi didn't come out.
Maybe that's kind of setting upa feud for SummerSlam Not
(20:10):
SummerSlam because Bayley got towrestle Nia Jax, but after
SummerSlam or maybe Money in theBank or something like that.
But I don't know.
I'm kind of curious to seewhere this is going.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So I agree with you on Naomi and Bayley, but if they
do wrestle you don't thinkNaomi's winning.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I don't know.
I mean I like Naomi.
I liked Naomi when she was aheel.
She hadn't been a heel for awhile, but I like when she was a
heel.
I mean she is married to JimmyUso so I mean we'll see how that
goes when he does come back,how him and Jay and the
bloodline and Roman, all that'skind of tying together.
If it even does.
(20:53):
It may not, but you know, I'mjust kind of kind of here to see
what Naomi does, uh, in thefuture.
I mean she hadn't really had asuccessful run since she's been
back, so she needs to eitherchange something up or
reevaluate and stuff.
But she's too good of awrestler to be losing like this
all the time.
So, like I said, bayley is aconstant, professional, constant
(21:18):
great wrestler, always puttingon good matches, no matter who
it's against.
But yeah, kind of curious tosee kind of what they do with
Piper and Bayley going into thefuture.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Okay, for the fifth and final match of the card.
We have Damian Preece versusDrew McIntyre for the World
Heavyweight Championship, andthis match was good.
You expected shenanigans fromCM Punk, but you didn't expect
these type of shenanigans.
And um, cm Punk came out as thereferee but it was so good
(22:02):
production and camera anglesthat nobody realized it was CM
Punk.
Well, yeah, but you've been asuper long time camera angle
that nobody realized it was CMPunk I did Well, yeah, but
you've been like a super you'rea super long time.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I knew it was CM Punk from there, but yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And, um, they turned the camera to Drew McIntyre
looking at CM Punk, and thenDrew choked him out.
Well, tried to choke him out.
Then CM Punk low-blowed him,then Priest, um, then hit a
South of Heaven, choke slam andwon the match.
(22:38):
Now, I didn't like the endingof it, but that's just because I
wanted Drew to win.
But then I realized, um, if CMPunk and Drew was the idea at
SummerSlam, drew couldn't winbecause he would have a title
match against Gunther and youcan't have Drew lose in between
(23:01):
that time because he just hadthe title and lost it in five
minutes.
So you don't want twoback-to-back short reigns for
Drew McIntyre.
So, um, he almost had to losethat match.
If CM Punk versus Drew McIntyrewas the idea at SummerSlam.
And I'll give it a 7.5.
(23:25):
The only reason I'm not doingit higher because, damian Priest
, feel like the third wheel hereand you should never feel like
the third wheel as the worldheavyweight champion.
And that's what I thought aboutthis match.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I'm going to give it an 8.
I mean, damian proved that hecan hang against a guy like Drew
, because leading up to theclash, drew kept telling Damian
that he didn't deserve it, heshouldn't have won the belt.
He wasn't that good of awrestler, all this trying to get
in Damien's head.
I think Damien took that toheart and wanted to prove that I
(24:02):
am just as good as you are, ifnot better.
He proved it by beating him,although Damien did have a nasty
.
It could have been bad little.
I guess you call it a botch.
I guess when he tried to do hisfront flip off the top rope, I
mean his foot got caught up andluckily he didn't break anything
or tear anything.
I guess we'll find out onMonday if he can defend his belt
(24:26):
or not, because that couldchange the whole thing right
there.
I mean, if he can't defend hisbelt, he has to give it up.
So if he gives it up, hopefullythat doesn't happen, but if he
has to, who's going to get thebelt?
You can't just give it toGunther.
You know he has a title shot.
You have to give it to somebodyelse.
So who's going to get the beltbefore Gunther wrestles at
(24:47):
SummerSlam title shot you haveto get to somebody else.
So who's going to get the beltbefore going through the
wrestles at SummerSlam If DamianPriest can't wrestle?
Hopefully, even if he can'twrestle for right now, he'll be
healthy enough to wrestle atSummerSlam.
So it's two months away.
So as long as his injury isn'tmore than two months, he should
be good enough to keep the belt.
(25:08):
But that was a nasty, nasty fallhe had.
I mean that could have been alot worse than what it looks
like.
But, like I said, we'll findout on Monday.
Hopefully we'll find out ifthey want to tell us anything
about his injury or lack thereofinjury or whatever the case may
be.
But yeah, like I said, this wasa pretty good match.
I figured CM Punk's going to dosomething to get involved in
(25:31):
the match.
I was kind of torn to figure outif he's going to cost in the
match or would he kind of costDamian the match instead.
I didn't really know but, likeI said, when he rolled into the
ring I knew it was him.
Like I said, I told Badz that'sCM Punk.
I knew that was CM Punk.
(25:51):
I could tell from the hair andthen the shoes.
Really what gave it off causemost all referees in WWE were
black shoes.
If you look at all refereesthey wear black pants, black
shoes, and this referee had onNikes, almost like Jordans, but
I think they were Jordans orNikes.
But yeah, they.
I mean that.
(26:12):
Right there.
I said CM Punk.
I know CM Punk, he's in thering and the way the camera
ain't going to do it, becausenormally when referee slides to
the ring the camera shows arerunning to the ring and all that
.
And they had the back angle ofthem like hmm, that looks weird,
but it was CM Punk.
But I wasn't expecting that atall to happen that way.
Drew McIntyre was irate.
After the match They've beenshowing on social media all day
(26:35):
how mad he was Walking back tothe locker room.
Stu Bennett is one ofMcIntyre's best friends and even
he was going off on a post showabout.
Cm Punk should be fired, shouldnever wrestle again.
It was a screw job.
I mean it was.
I mean I understand it.
I mean they cost Drew McIntyreanother title match.
(26:58):
I mean Drew McIntyre justcannot win.
Last year Clash of the Well, notthe last year, but the last
Clash of the Castle.
It was Sokoa's debut on themain roster.
When he caught Drew McIntyreagainst Roman Reigns Because the
Usos wasn't there, I mean thistime around it wasn't a
(27:18):
bloodline at all.
This time it was CM Punk.
I mean they have to get thisout the way.
I mean they have been at eachother's necks since CM Punk came
back at Survivor Series.
I mean the way Drew McIntyrestormed out when CM Punk music
hit, or before music even hit, Imean they need to fight, get it
out the way, get out theirsystem.
(27:38):
I don't see it being a regularmatch.
It's going to be some kind ofstipulation because they hate
each other so much.
They have to do something justto finally end it.
But at the end of the day, kudosto Damian Priest.
He proved again that he's notjust a paper champ.
Like I said, I've been watchingDamian Priest since when he was
punished with Martinez in Ringof Honor, so I mean I've been
(28:02):
aware of his work for a whilenow.
I'm glad he's getting therecognition like a lot of other
people in his card are gettingnow.
I'm glad that he's actuallyshowing that he can hang with
people like Drew McIntyre andactually hold his own.
It doesn't look like he justgot the belt, just had the belt,
but all right, anything else.
Real quick I got one more thingI got to talk about.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, real quick.
You said you saw Drew McIntyreafter the match.
I saw on YouTube CM Punk afterthe match.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
They show him putting referee stuff on.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, yeah, but like you saw it where he got the
uniform from the referee.
No.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Oh yeah, they show how he had the referee uniform
on.
He wasn't even.
He was backstage watching.
So according to social media,he was backstage watching the
match and then when the refereegot hurt, obviously you know a
freak comes in and helps out.
So he got a shirt from areferee and went out there.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's how you get a free shirt, did he?
Speaker 2 (29:03):
like no, he asked for it.
I gave it to him.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Why.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
They didn't know he needed it for it, I guess, just
saying.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Those referees need to get fired.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's how I'm just saying On the spot.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
They need to get fired.
I saw one where CM Punk waswalking backstage and as soon as
he walked backstage, cameraswere on him and he said he's the
best in the world.
He's the best in the world as awrestler.
He's the best in the world as acommentator.
He's the best in the world as awrestler, he's the best in the
world as a commentator.
And then you say now he's thebest in the world as a referee.
Yeah, but um, and I mean,that's all I was going to say
(29:39):
about the match.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I was going to go back I didn't mention this
earlier with the first match ofthe night.
What was up with Cody Rhodeshitting AJ Styles after the
match?
With the steel chair, with thesteel steps?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't know.
I mean he said I quit, soexactly.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Aj Styles said I quit .
Cody Rhodes then hit him afterthe match.
Aj Styles wasn't even payingattention, he was still
handcuffed and Cody Rhodes hithim with steel steps.
I mean, that's, if Cody Rhodeswants to be a baby face, good
guy champ, that's kind of a heelmove right there.
You don't hit somebody whenthey're not paying attention
with steel steps.
I don't care how mad you are atthem.
(30:14):
I mean, you're supposed to be agood guy?
You're supposed to wipe thataway.
The match is over with.
You won, you leave.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
He did that with Brock Lesnar too.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Exactly.
They didn't even call that hisqualification, brock Lesnar,
though.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, but that's still a disqualification.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, but it was still during the match, though
this was after the match wasalready over.
Aj Styles literally said I quit.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I can defend Cody Rhodes in this situation because
AJ Styles threatened his mom.
So I can defend Cody Rhodes forhitting him after the match,
but AJ Styles still said I quit.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
So it was still kind of a dirty move.
Exactly, I can defend him if hewas talking about his mom.
Yeah, he was talking about hismom during the match.
So he did what he had to duringthe match.
But after he picked the steelsteps up, he was going to smash
AJ Styles' head in with it.
Aj Styles said I quit, I quit,and the match was over.
So then you dropped the steelsteps, you get your belt, you
get your hand raised and youkiss the babies, hug the crowd,
sign autographs and then CodyRose will have to match.
You don't smash AJ Styles inthe head with steel steps.
(31:14):
That's no better than what AJStyles did to Cody Rose when he
faked retirement in clotheslineand beat him down.
What's the difference?
I mean, there's two people.
Both guys were not expecting toget hit with anything.
Cody Rose wouldn't expect toget hit with a clothesline and
be down by AJ Styles.
Aj Styles wouldn't expect toget hit with steel steps when
(31:35):
Cody Rose was standing rightthere.
So what's the difference?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I know the difference .
What's that AJ Styles didn'thit Cody Rose with steel steps.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, exactly, cody Rose was worse.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So Cody Rose would be the good guy.
He would be the baby face andall that face of the company.
But he's out here hittingpeople with steel steps after
matches.
That's a heel move, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
He's done a couple of those.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That's what I'm saying.
So is Colter Rose going to be aheel or is he going to be a CM
Punk type, where I meanotherwise, he has to make a
decision, because you can't begoing around hitting people with
steel steps after the matchesare over with.
I mean that's just not going toget the fans on your side doing
that.
You're going to get people madat you for doing that.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You're probably a babyface and you're out here
doing stuff like that.
I mean, personally, I wouldlove to see heel Cody Rose.
Yeah, phase of Heel Cody Rose,not Heel AEW Cody Rose, not Dash
, not Heel Undashing Cody Rose,not Heel Dashing Cody Rose.
I want a new version of HeelCody Rose if he's going to turn
(32:41):
heel, which is probably not, butif he does, I want to see a new
version of Heel Cody Rose.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, anything else.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
No, I think that's it .
Speaker 2 (32:55):
All right, all right.
This has been another episode.
I'm Ben, I'm Bash.
This has been the episode ofTag.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
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