December 14, 2024 • 23 mins
Ever wondered how a triple threat match could shake up the WWE landscape? Join us as we kick off with a nostalgic nod to the beloved Saturday Night's Main Event and dive into our predictions for the much-anticipated clash between Sami Zayn and Drew McIntyre. With Drew's recent comeback, it's hard not to see him as the favorite, yet there's something about Sami's underdog charm that makes us ponder a surprise outcome. As we shift gears to the dynamic women's division, we champion the introduction of mid-card championships with Michin and Chelsea Green's bout for the WWE Women's US Championship. Chelsea's character growth catches our eye, making her a strong contender for a future at the top.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
welcome to the ben and bash podcast tag team talk
I'm ben I'm bash.
It's time to lift up your bootsand hit the mat with the ben
and bash podcast tag team talkall right here for another one.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We are gonna do our prediction for saturday night's
main event.
They are bringing it back.
It was a show that came out inthe late 80s, early 90s, then it
came back again a little bit inthe mid 2000s.
Then they're bringing it backnow.
Uh, yeah, this is both thispredates, raw and smackdown or
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any of these shows.
So I remember seeing that as akid sometimes.
But but yeah, so we're gonnaget into it, let's get to it
okay.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So for the first time on the card it's sammy zane
versus drew mcintyre, and forthis one I think, like I think,
drew mcintyre to win Because hejust came back.
He just came back, he justattacked Sami Zayn.
(01:08):
He got this who knew builds up?
Who attacked Jey Uso?
And then it turned out to behim.
He closed the show with RawAttacking Sami Zayn and then On
Endeavor, raw, he attacked SamiZayn again and I just think if
he would just return, likeShinsuke in another war, if he
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would just return and just eatan L, I don't think that would
just, I don't think that wouldbe right.
But actually I'm going to pickthe same museum, I don't care
everything you just said yep.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You said pick the same museum.
Yep, I'm going to pick SamiZayn, I don't care.
Everything you just said Yep.
You said pick Sami Zayn.
Yep, is that what you just said?
Yep About everything.
About why Drew McIntyre shouldwin.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yep, and then I think he should win, but I'm picking
Sami Zayn and then you do a 180and pick Sami Zayn.
Yep, I think I want DrewMcIntyre's gonna win, but I'm
saying the same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Drew McIntyre's gonna win fair thing.
He said, like I said, he justcame back from getting beat by
CM Punk and he's not gonna takea L to Sami Zayn.
That's not gonna happen.
He's been attacking Sami Zaynunless something happens where
somebody interferes, cause Imean he did attack.
Was it Jimmy, or so Jay?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
wait well Both of them.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Unless one of them come out and help Sammy, Drew's
going to win this match easily.
If it's a strictly one-on-onematch, Drew's going to win this
match.
Drew's already mad.
He lost to CM Punk.
He's trying to get back intothe title picture.
He's trying to get back upthere on a winning streak.
I got Drew McIntyre winningthis match without any
(02:45):
interference or anything.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Uh-huh, yep.
So for the next match on thecard, I have Ice Meechan versus
Chelsea Grant To be the new WWEWomen's US Champion, and for
this one, I don't know I wantChelsea Green to win, and I
(03:18):
think she will win, because mostof the crowd is behind her.
In my opinion, I think so Iwould rather her win than
Meechan, but that's just myopinion.
So I'm picking Chelsea Green.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's about time they had a mid-card, or I guess you
call it mid-card.
What are you going to call it?
Us Intercontinental Women'sChampionship.
I guess you call it mid-card.
I guess you call it yeah.
So I mean it's about time.
I mean it's years in the making.
You got so many women.
You have so many women on WWE.
Right now you have to haveanother belt.
I mean only having two beltsand having all these great
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wrestling, all these womenwrestlers out here, out here,
great women wrestlers out here.
I mean it's just wild.
He only had two belts thiswhole time, you know.
I mean so yeah, it's finallygood.
They got a United StatesChampionship going to be crowned
Saturday Night's Main Event andalso they also have on the Raw.
You have the IntercontinentalWomen's Championship.
They're going to be crownedsometime in the future.
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So that's two good belts rightthere and hopefully they give it
to people like these two,meechan and Chelsea Green.
Whoever wins this matchdeserves it.
It's hard to pick between twoveterans like these.
I mean, both of them have wonchampionships outside of WWE.
I mean Chelsea was tag teamchampion, meechan was she a tag
team champion at one point,meechan?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, or she had one of the best WWE hatchets I know
of.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, I don't think so.
But yeah, like I said, it'sabout time.
I mean, people like Chelsea,green and Meacham people like
that should be Candice LeRaepeople like that, Natalia,
people like that should get achance to win a belt.
You know what I mean.
It's hard when you only got twobelts and you got Rhea and
Bianca, and then Jay when shecomes back, and Bailey and Becky
when she comes back andCharlotte when she comes back.
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That's so many people on justthe main card alone.
You need some belts for thepeople who are not going to be
up there.
Get some good stepping stones,more exposure.
Look at what Gunther did.
Gunther won, held the belt fora record amount of time.
Now he's a world champion.
So, I mean this is a goodstepping stone for all the women
.
You say you picked Meechan.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
No, I picked Chelsea.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Green.
Yeah, this is a hard onebecause, like I said, both of
them deserve to win it.
I'm going to pick Chelsea Greenas well Just because, like I
said, her character over thelast year has really helped out
a lot.
I mean her team with Piper, youknow, helping bring Piper
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character out, you know.
I mean Piper's a good wrestlertoo.
If you watch her on theindependent scene a little bit
before she came to the WWE andthe women's tournament they had
in NXT, stuff like that, youknow you see how good of a
wrestler she is.
But I think Chelsea Green isgoing to win this deservingly.
So Nothing against Meechan, butshe'll have a chance to win
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that belt later too as well.
But yeah, I got Chelsea Greenbecoming the inaugural Women's
US Champion.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay, and for the next match, it is Gunther vs
Finn Bal Balor, versus DamianPriest, for the World
Heavyweight Championship, andthis is a triple threat match,
so there is no rules, whichmeans shenanigans can take place
.
But for this match I don't knowif most people agree with me I
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feel like they will, but I'mtaking guthr for this match
because he's just been on a hotstreak and he needs to take out
finn ballard because he becausehe's just taking out people who
gives him who, who give himdoubt that he's not, that he's
like a real champion.
So, uh, damian priest again.
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Again he could take him out forlike a third time.
That would just be wait, thatlike.
So.
So the first time, damianpriest got screwed out of the
championship, the second time,uh, damian priest got screwed
out of the championship and thethird time, I feel like there'll
still be shenanigans, but Ifeel like Gunther will
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definitely win against FinnBalor and Damian Priest.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
How do you feel about them adding Damian to the match
, though I mean for as long asit was Gunther versus Finn?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't like it because I feel like Finn should
get his one-on-one match.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I know he's got so many in the past, but he's just
like such a veteran that hedeserves to get matches like
that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, but here's my thing I think Gunter's going to
win, but Finn needs to win.
He deserves to be the worldchampion.
You got to think he was thefirst universal champion.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Has it been eight years now, hasn't it?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, like eight or nine years.
Yeah, so he was.
He was the first when he beatseth rollins, but in the process
of that match he, he blew hisshoulder out or something
happened with his shoulder.
He needed surgery like the nextday he had to.
He won the belt on sunday, hadto relinquish it on monday.
So I mean he, he, he.
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If anybody needs a worldchampionship, it's Finn Balor.
I mean, he's been wrestlingover 20 years and he needs his
win and maybe by Damon being inthe match, he doesn't have to
pin Gunther because of theTriple Threat match.
Gunther can still keep hisstreak of not being pinned.
Who's the last person thatpinned him?
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Sami Zayn pinned him.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, Sami.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, sami Zayn pinned him, and then was it
Roman Reigns there have beenSammy Zane pinned him.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, Sammy Zane pinned him.
And then was it Robin Reigns,Robin Reigns or who pinned him?
No, it was Sammy Zane.
Did anybody else pin?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
him.
Oh, Cody Rose, oh yeah, CodyRose.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So Cody Rose and Sammy Zane are the only person
that beat Gunther since he hadthe Eric Connery Championship.
So Gunther can still losewithout getting pinned.
Finn pins Damien Finn's theworld champion, you know, I mean
then that would give Justin Daytwo world champions.
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But like you said, shenanigans,I mean.
I'm pretty sure Justin Day'sgoing to get.
Well, I don't know.
Finn may tell Justin Day tostay behind, like he did last
time.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
He may tell him not to get involved.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And that'll probably cost him the match.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And then probably cost him the match.
Maybe, but hopefully not.
Hopefully that's not the case,but and then that can lead to
another feud with them so you'repicking Finn.
I'm, I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonnago with Finn.
I mean, if he, if he, hasn'tput money on it, I'll say Gunter
.
But I really want Finn to win.
But the smart pick is Gunterfor sure, because he's been so
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dominant.
But I'm going to go with Finnjust because I think he needs
this win more than other two.
Gunter's going to be good,especially if he doesn't get
pinned.
Damien's going to be good,whether he gets pinned or not.
He's going to be good too.
They're both over with thecrowd.
Damien's getting cheered,gunter's getting cheered, gomes
is getting booed.
Finn's kind of just being there.
He's getting beat down.
You can't be the leader of aJudgment Day with Liv and Raquel
(10:16):
and Carlito and JD and Dominicand all them and lose every
match and Dominic's out herebeating the world champions.
Yeah, I mean.
You can't be the leader of agroup where you can't even win a
match, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And then it didn't also fit him have the tag team
match coming up too.
Was it monday?
Uh, yeah, against the warraiders raiders too.
So I really think they're gonnalose that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I hope they lose that if finn wins, they're
definitely gonna lose that match.
I mean, he's gonna be too.
He's gonna be too caught up onthe world, world championship to
defend that he's going to bethere, but he may be too
distracted.
Like I said, smart money's onGunther, but who I want to win?
I'm going to pick Finn.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yep, for.
The next match on the card isLiv Morgan versus Io Sky for the
Women's World Championship.
For this one, I feel like IoSkye is who I think is the best
women's wrestler still on theroster today.
But I just feel like Liv Morganis going to win so she can have
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that feud with Rhea Ripley, andthen Rhea Ripley could win the
title, I think, and Rhea Ripleycan win the title, and then I
think, down the road, because wegot a glimpse of it on Monday I
think down the road, rheaRipley and Io Sky will feud for
the championship, and so I thinkLiv Morgan will win to go on to
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a feud with Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So you got Liv winning.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, I have Liv winning.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Okay Is Dakota.
She's in the Intercontinentaltournament.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Right yeah, I think she won.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Okay, that's a hard one.
I'm just thinking about that,because somebody like Dakota
could win the Intercontinentalchampionship and then that could
be good for damage control.
Okay, that's a hard one, cometo think about that, because
somebody Dakota win the AaronConnell championship and then
that could be good for damagecontrol.
But do you also have Oscarcoming back eventually?
And then, and then Kyrie Sane?
There too, like I said, io isprobably one of the best female
wrestlers, if not wrestlers, inthe world period.
(12:27):
You know just what she does inthe world period.
You know just what she does inthe ring.
I mean, she makes it look easy,I mean fluid, I mean just one
of the best overall out there.
You know, not a big person thatdoesn't have a lot of power,
but she's quick, fast, you know,not scared to jump off the top
rope and do crazy things, youknow, or top of the cage or
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wherever the cage might be.
But you also have to understandthat you have Raquel with Liv.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, yeah, EO has, EO has damage control.
But damage control is alsostarting to few with what's that
group name?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
PFC.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, Sonya Deville group.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's pfc yeah what do you call
it?
Uh I can't remember yeah, itstands for perfusion control oh
yeah, no, pure fusion collectiveperfusion collective yeah that
sounds like a fortnite clan yeah, so you have.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You have eo sky and I'm actually feuding with them
right now.
I don't know, this is a toughone because there's so many
pieces on the board.
As they say for this one, Imean, you got Judge Day
involvement, you got DamageControl, you got Pure Fusion
Collective involved.
I mean, or could get involvedin this match.
If they're still kind offeuding with Damage Control, I
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mean I really want EO to win,but Liv's going to win this
match.
We already know what it is.
She's going to win this match.
She's going to feud Rhea RipleyIf they finish it off at Royal
Rumble or they stretch it out toWrestleMania, I hope that
doesn't happen I don't know, butthey're probably going to
wrestle at Royal Rumble morelikely.
But yeah, I got Liv Morganwinning, not because I really
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that's why I won't, but that'sjust a smart decision of who I'm
picking for this match.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Mm-hmm.
And for the last match, themain event of Saturday Night's
main event, cody Rose versusKevin Owens for the WWE
Undisputed Championship and forthis one I feel like it's pretty
clear-cut I would say Sure do Iwant Kevin to win.
Yeah, he deserves it.
(14:42):
He deserves it ever since hewon, ever since he lost the
Universal Championship toGoldberg, was it?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Didn't he lose it to Goldberg?
I think so.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, ever since that , he deserves another rematch,
another match.
I know he's gotten one before,but I'm saying one with no
shenanigans, and you know, codyRose being the top babyface that
he is, there's not going to beno shenanigans in this match, at
least coming from Cody Rose'sside.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And not Kevin Owens either.
Nobody likes him.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Unless Randy Orton, somebody comes back.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm saying shenanigans for Kevin Owens by
himself, like doing somethingcheap, like a low blow.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh, he could.
I mean this Kevin Owens.
Right here is the Kevin Owensthat Cody, no, I'm saying there
would be no shenanigans fromCody Rose except Randy Orton,
maybe.
Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And so I'm saying Cody Rose, especially with that
edge that Randy Orton couldreturn.
So yeah, I'm picking Cody Roseto retain.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, I mean this whole build-up.
I mean I think I told youbefore the whole build-up came
from.
Yeah, I think I told you beforethe whole build-up came from.
You got to think everythingthat Cody went through with
trying to finish the story twostraight years came back to WWE,
won the Royal Rumble, wrestledRoman Reigns, lost to Roman
Reigns, spent the next year,literally the next year, trying
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to get this belt back again fromRoman Reigns.
Then they won the Royal Rumbleagain two years in a row, chose
Roman Reigns again.
They're on the Royal Rumbleagain two years in a row, choke
from the Reigns again.
Then also in that match.
You knew you knew the Bloodlinewas going to get involved in
that match, which they did.
And Cody Rhodes had help too.
I mean he, he had, uh, sethRollins come out, I mean Kevin
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Owens and Sami Zayn beat theUsos for the world championship,
I mean for the tag teamchampionship.
I mean the Rock came out andhelped out Roman Reigns.
The Undertaker came out andhelped Cody Rhodes.
They did all this to help CodyRhodes win the belt, to finally
beat Roman Reigns.
And then, not even six monthslater or no, it was about six
months.
Russ Manning was in April, may,june, october-ish yeah.
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He teamed Roman Reigns in the.
The same year.
They didn't let a year go by.
In the same year he taggedthings with Roman Reigns to help
Roman Reigns get his bloodlineback that Cody spent two years
trying to get rid of.
That's why Kevin Owens is mad.
I'd be mad too with that.
I helped you.
I went through tables for you.
I fought the bloodline forthree or four years before he
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was in.
Before Kevin Owens came back toWWE, kevin Owens was getting
thrown off the top of a boat atWrestleMania A boat.
Remember that thing about thatboat.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
When they were in the Performance Center, there was a
boat though.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, there was a boat.
Remember it was at one of theWrestleManias For the pirate
ship thing.
Yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I don't remember the boat part, but I remember him
getting thrown off a bunch ofstories.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's what I'm saying.
So he went through all thatagainst the bloodline Years
Before Cody Rhodes came back, hewas still in AEW.
He went through all this.
Cody Rhodes comes back.
He finally dethrones the guy.
Everybody wants him to be,everybody who.
Everybody wants to lose thebelt.
Then, less than a year later,you're tag-teaming with the same
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guy who you spent two yearstrying to defeat and get rid of
his bloodline, just to help himget his bloodline back from so
long.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well that was why he was trying to do that match.
Wow, I never thought about that, you see what I'm saying.
And Roman Reigns kind of didn'teven want to team with Cody
Rose.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's what I'm saying.
But they decided to teamtogether and Cody decided to
help him out.
Cody said no, I don't want tohelp you out.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, Cody came up to him.
Remember, that's what.
I'm saying that's what I'msaying, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's why Kevin Owens is mad.
That's the whole point.
And then the whole Randy Ortonthing came out.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And you know and all this, and so it's like I don't
know.
It's just Kevin Owens isfrustrated.
He went through all thistrouble for years, years and
years and years of the bloodlinefor Cody to come in, finally
get the maroon, maroons and thentry to help him get his
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bloodline back.
Yeah, the same bloodline thatKevin Owens got beat up for, the
same bloodline that Cody Rhodestried to get rid of when he
came back.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And you want him back .
So that's why Kevin Owens ismad.
I'll be mad too.
You probably obeyed Facebook.
He helped out the biggest heelin the company at the time
Outside of Dunkin' Mysterio,Before you know, before he lost.
Yeah, and came back, you know.
And so Kevin Owens has a goodpoint.
You know this and this, buthe's helping out the number one
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heel in wrestling.
Nobody wanted to be championanymore, you know.
But with all that being said, Ijust, I just don't think Kevin
Owens beat Cody.
I mean, I want Kevin Owens tobeat Cody Rhodes.
Yes, yes, we need somethingdifferent.
We don't need a.
When I say we as fans, we don'tneed that.
We, when I say we as fans, wedon't need a champion to have a
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belt for two, three yearsanymore.
That's you don't need that youcan change the belt every few
months now, like they used toback in the day and in a
championship that showed alittle bit of that exactly in a
championship.
Doing that United Stateschampionship did Jay, and then
back to Bron.
You know so I mean it's good.
I mean women's champion, didthat Rhea Ripley, liv Morgan,
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all that Bailey and all them.
You know.
I mean, you know Nia Jax had itand Bailey had it.
You know so it's like you have.
And then Io had it before her.
So you know it's it's good tochange it up every now and then,
cause that makes it even foranybody to win.
If one guy dominates for fouror five years, that means
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nobody's winning that belt.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So if you let somebody or not let somebody,
but if somebody wins that belt ayear later or six months later,
then they get somebody'sopportunity to come win it.
Who the fans are behind, youknow?
I mean, yeah, the fans werebehind.
You know.
I mean, yeah, the fans don'tlike Kevin Owens, but it gives
Cody a reason to go back afterhim, yeah.
You know, cody's a good chaser,as they say, he's a good
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champion as well, but somepeople are better chasers than
they are champions.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Like Trick Williams kind of.
No, he's good.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Some people do better on the chase to a championship
than actually getting thechampionship.
You see what I'm saying.
Some people look better tryingto get to a championship.
You know, like, look at KevinOwens Him winning the
championship this bad, it makeshim look good.
He does anything.
He does whatever needs to bedone to win a championship,
whether it's attacking Cody Rosefrom behind, you know, staying
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in his car, faking like he'soutside and drove off.
But he's actually back into thearena, you know, like he did
last week.
You know, whatever the casemight be, you know, kevin Owens
is a good champion too, butthere's some people who are just
better at the climb up the hill.
Yeah, you know there's just somepeople who are just better at
that.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
You know, I think that's what Cody is.
I mean, cody's a good champion,don't get me wrong.
But his fight to get to thechampionship, his story and his
dad never winning and doing allthat, that's a great story.
You know he's been a goodchampion, but let Kevin, that
gives Cody a reason to go afterthat.
Or if they decide to change,you know, with with raw going to
(21:58):
Nick to Netflix in a few weeksand they're going to be people
with around who say Cody's notgonna be on raw.
So who's they were?
Mine's not gonna be on raw.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That.
I mean that would just give Rodday too much superstars.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Rod has been in the dirt recently, but you can
always trade yeah, you canalways trade.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean you got sam punk.
I mean you can.
You can, I mean you got peopleyou can move and the good thing
about netflix.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Like recently I I think that um smackdown has been
the better show, but raw beingon netflix, I feel like it gives
it that edge, you know yeah,hopefully, hopefully they won't
bleep the crowd out.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I mean, I guess I know you can't have the
wrestlers up there sayingwhatever you want to say, but
it's.
It's hard to watch wrestlingwhen you can't even hear people
talk because the crowds you knowsaying whatever they're saying
yeah maybe with netflix being anon-network tv, maybe netflix
will let the crowd say whatthey're saying.
Yeah, maybe with Netflix beinga non-network TV, maybe Netflix
will let the crowd say what theywant to say without bleeping it
out.
(23:01):
Or just like cutting whensomeone like does something yeah
or just cut into a black screenwhen they see something on TV
or something they don't want tosee, you know, but I don't know.
I mean, yeah, you pick Cody,yeah, I pick Cody, I'm just
going to go against you, I'mgoing to go with Kevin Owens,
(23:21):
just to make it interesting, sohe has something to go root
against.
So, yeah, I'm going with KevinOwens.
Okay, I don't know if he reallywins.
If Kevin Owens of NXT comesback, you know the way Kevin's
thing, if they come back, thenwe have a chance, you know so,
but yeah, anything else.
(23:42):
No, I think that's it all right.
So Saturday night main event,uh thing come on tonight 8, 8 pm
yeah, 8 pm yeah all right, it'sbeen another.
Uh, I'm Ben and.
Bash been an episode of TagTeam.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Talk.
welcome to the ben and bash podcast tag team talk
I'm ben I'm bash.
It's time to lift up your bootsand hit the mat with the ben
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
We are gonna do our prediction for saturday night's
main event.
They are bringing it back.
It was a show that came out inthe late 80s, early 90s, then it
came back again a little bit inthe mid 2000s.
Then they're bringing it backnow.
Uh, yeah, this is both thispredates, raw and smackdown or
(00:39):
any of these shows.
So I remember seeing that as akid sometimes.
But but yeah, so we're gonnaget into it, let's get to it
okay.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So for the first time on the card it's sammy zane
versus drew mcintyre, and forthis one I think, like I think,
drew mcintyre to win Because hejust came back.
He just came back, he justattacked Sami Zayn.
(01:08):
He got this who knew builds up?
Who attacked Jey Uso?
And then it turned out to behim.
He closed the show with RawAttacking Sami Zayn and then On
Endeavor, raw, he attacked SamiZayn again and I just think if
he would just return, likeShinsuke in another war, if he
(01:30):
would just return and just eatan L, I don't think that would
just, I don't think that wouldbe right.
But actually I'm going to pickthe same museum, I don't care
everything you just said yep.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You said pick the same museum.
Yep, I'm going to pick SamiZayn, I don't care.
Everything you just said Yep.
You said pick Sami Zayn.
Yep, is that what you just said?
Yep About everything.
About why Drew McIntyre shouldwin.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yep, and then I think he should win, but I'm picking
Sami Zayn and then you do a 180and pick Sami Zayn.
Yep, I think I want DrewMcIntyre's gonna win, but I'm
saying the same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Drew McIntyre's gonna win fair thing.
He said, like I said, he justcame back from getting beat by
CM Punk and he's not gonna takea L to Sami Zayn.
That's not gonna happen.
He's been attacking Sami Zaynunless something happens where
somebody interferes, cause Imean he did attack.
Was it Jimmy, or so Jay?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
wait well Both of them.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Unless one of them come out and help Sammy, Drew's
going to win this match easily.
If it's a strictly one-on-onematch, Drew's going to win this
match.
Drew's already mad.
He lost to CM Punk.
He's trying to get back intothe title picture.
He's trying to get back upthere on a winning streak.
I got Drew McIntyre winningthis match without any
(02:45):
interference or anything.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Uh-huh, yep.
So for the next match on thecard, I have Ice Meechan versus
Chelsea Grant To be the new WWEWomen's US Champion, and for
this one, I don't know I wantChelsea Green to win, and I
(03:18):
think she will win, because mostof the crowd is behind her.
In my opinion, I think so Iwould rather her win than
Meechan, but that's just myopinion.
So I'm picking Chelsea Green.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's about time they had a mid-card, or I guess you
call it mid-card.
What are you going to call it?
Us Intercontinental Women'sChampionship.
I guess you call it mid-card.
I guess you call it yeah.
So I mean it's about time.
I mean it's years in the making.
You got so many women.
You have so many women on WWE.
Right now you have to haveanother belt.
I mean only having two beltsand having all these great
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wrestling, all these womenwrestlers out here, out here,
great women wrestlers out here.
I mean it's just wild.
He only had two belts thiswhole time, you know.
I mean so yeah, it's finallygood.
They got a United StatesChampionship going to be crowned
Saturday Night's Main Event andalso they also have on the Raw.
You have the IntercontinentalWomen's Championship.
They're going to be crownedsometime in the future.
(04:19):
So that's two good belts rightthere and hopefully they give it
to people like these two,meechan and Chelsea Green.
Whoever wins this matchdeserves it.
It's hard to pick between twoveterans like these.
I mean, both of them have wonchampionships outside of WWE.
I mean Chelsea was tag teamchampion, meechan was she a tag
team champion at one point,meechan?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, or she had one of the best WWE hatchets I know
of.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, I don't think so.
But yeah, like I said, it'sabout time.
I mean, people like Chelsea,green and Meacham people like
that should be Candice LeRaepeople like that, Natalia,
people like that should get achance to win a belt.
You know what I mean.
It's hard when you only got twobelts and you got Rhea and
Bianca, and then Jay when shecomes back, and Bailey and Becky
when she comes back andCharlotte when she comes back.
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That's so many people on justthe main card alone.
You need some belts for thepeople who are not going to be
up there.
Get some good stepping stones,more exposure.
Look at what Gunther did.
Gunther won, held the belt fora record amount of time.
Now he's a world champion.
So, I mean this is a goodstepping stone for all the women
.
You say you picked Meechan.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
No, I picked Chelsea.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Green.
Yeah, this is a hard onebecause, like I said, both of
them deserve to win it.
I'm going to pick Chelsea Greenas well Just because, like I
said, her character over thelast year has really helped out
a lot.
I mean her team with Piper, youknow, helping bring Piper
(05:50):
character out, you know.
I mean Piper's a good wrestlertoo.
If you watch her on theindependent scene a little bit
before she came to the WWE andthe women's tournament they had
in NXT, stuff like that, youknow you see how good of a
wrestler she is.
But I think Chelsea Green isgoing to win this deservingly.
So Nothing against Meechan, butshe'll have a chance to win
(06:10):
that belt later too as well.
But yeah, I got Chelsea Greenbecoming the inaugural Women's
US Champion.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay, and for the next match, it is Gunther vs
Finn Bal Balor, versus DamianPriest, for the World
Heavyweight Championship, andthis is a triple threat match,
so there is no rules, whichmeans shenanigans can take place
.
But for this match I don't knowif most people agree with me I
(06:46):
feel like they will, but I'mtaking guthr for this match
because he's just been on a hotstreak and he needs to take out
finn ballard because he becausehe's just taking out people who
gives him who, who give himdoubt that he's not, that he's
like a real champion.
So, uh, damian priest again.
(07:06):
Again he could take him out forlike a third time.
That would just be wait, thatlike.
So.
So the first time, damianpriest got screwed out of the
championship, the second time,uh, damian priest got screwed
out of the championship and thethird time, I feel like there'll
still be shenanigans, but Ifeel like Gunther will
(07:27):
definitely win against FinnBalor and Damian Priest.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
How do you feel about them adding Damian to the match
, though I mean for as long asit was Gunther versus Finn?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't like it because I feel like Finn should
get his one-on-one match.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I know he's got so many in the past, but he's just
like such a veteran that hedeserves to get matches like
that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, but here's my thing I think Gunter's going to
win, but Finn needs to win.
He deserves to be the worldchampion.
You got to think he was thefirst universal champion.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Has it been eight years now, hasn't it?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, like eight or nine years.
Yeah, so he was.
He was the first when he beatseth rollins, but in the process
of that match he, he blew hisshoulder out or something
happened with his shoulder.
He needed surgery like the nextday he had to.
He won the belt on sunday, hadto relinquish it on monday.
So I mean he, he, he.
(08:24):
If anybody needs a worldchampionship, it's Finn Balor.
I mean, he's been wrestlingover 20 years and he needs his
win and maybe by Damon being inthe match, he doesn't have to
pin Gunther because of theTriple Threat match.
Gunther can still keep hisstreak of not being pinned.
Who's the last person thatpinned him?
(08:45):
Sami Zayn pinned him.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, Sami.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, sami Zayn pinned him, and then was it
Roman Reigns there have beenSammy Zane pinned him.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, Sammy Zane pinned him.
And then was it Robin Reigns,Robin Reigns or who pinned him?
No, it was Sammy Zane.
Did anybody else pin?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
him.
Oh, Cody Rose, oh yeah, CodyRose.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So Cody Rose and Sammy Zane are the only person
that beat Gunther since he hadthe Eric Connery Championship.
So Gunther can still losewithout getting pinned.
Finn pins Damien Finn's theworld champion, you know, I mean
then that would give Justin Daytwo world champions.
(09:16):
But like you said, shenanigans,I mean.
I'm pretty sure Justin Day'sgoing to get.
Well, I don't know.
Finn may tell Justin Day tostay behind, like he did last
time.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
He may tell him not to get involved.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And that'll probably cost him the match.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And then probably cost him the match.
Maybe, but hopefully not.
Hopefully that's not the case,but and then that can lead to
another feud with them so you'repicking Finn.
I'm, I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonnago with Finn.
I mean, if he, if he, hasn'tput money on it, I'll say Gunter
.
But I really want Finn to win.
But the smart pick is Gunterfor sure, because he's been so
(09:52):
dominant.
But I'm going to go with Finnjust because I think he needs
this win more than other two.
Gunter's going to be good,especially if he doesn't get
pinned.
Damien's going to be good,whether he gets pinned or not.
He's going to be good too.
They're both over with thecrowd.
Damien's getting cheered,gunter's getting cheered, gomes
is getting booed.
Finn's kind of just being there.
He's getting beat down.
You can't be the leader of aJudgment Day with Liv and Raquel
(10:16):
and Carlito and JD and Dominicand all them and lose every
match and Dominic's out herebeating the world champions.
Yeah, I mean.
You can't be the leader of agroup where you can't even win a
match, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And then it didn't also fit him have the tag team
match coming up too.
Was it monday?
Uh, yeah, against the warraiders raiders too.
So I really think they're gonnalose that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I hope they lose that if finn wins, they're
definitely gonna lose that match.
I mean, he's gonna be too.
He's gonna be too caught up onthe world, world championship to
defend that he's going to bethere, but he may be too
distracted.
Like I said, smart money's onGunther, but who I want to win?
I'm going to pick Finn.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yep, for.
The next match on the card isLiv Morgan versus Io Sky for the
Women's World Championship.
For this one, I feel like IoSkye is who I think is the best
women's wrestler still on theroster today.
But I just feel like Liv Morganis going to win so she can have
(11:27):
that feud with Rhea Ripley, andthen Rhea Ripley could win the
title, I think, and Rhea Ripleycan win the title, and then I
think, down the road, because wegot a glimpse of it on Monday I
think down the road, rheaRipley and Io Sky will feud for
the championship, and so I thinkLiv Morgan will win to go on to
(11:49):
a feud with Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So you got Liv winning.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, I have Liv winning.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Okay Is Dakota.
She's in the Intercontinentaltournament.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Right yeah, I think she won.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Okay, that's a hard one.
I'm just thinking about that,because somebody like Dakota
could win the Intercontinentalchampionship and then that could
be good for damage control.
Okay, that's a hard one, cometo think about that, because
somebody Dakota win the AaronConnell championship and then
that could be good for damagecontrol.
But do you also have Oscarcoming back eventually?
And then, and then Kyrie Sane?
There too, like I said, io isprobably one of the best female
wrestlers, if not wrestlers, inthe world period.
(12:27):
You know just what she does inthe world period.
You know just what she does inthe ring.
I mean, she makes it look easy,I mean fluid, I mean just one
of the best overall out there.
You know, not a big person thatdoesn't have a lot of power,
but she's quick, fast, you know,not scared to jump off the top
rope and do crazy things, youknow, or top of the cage or
(12:48):
wherever the cage might be.
But you also have to understandthat you have Raquel with Liv.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, yeah, EO has, EO has damage control.
But damage control is alsostarting to few with what's that
group name?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
PFC.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, Sonya Deville group.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's pfc yeah what do you call
it?
Uh I can't remember yeah, itstands for perfusion control oh
yeah, no, pure fusion collectiveperfusion collective yeah that
sounds like a fortnite clan yeah, so you have.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You have eo sky and I'm actually feuding with them
right now.
I don't know, this is a toughone because there's so many
pieces on the board.
As they say for this one, Imean, you got Judge Day
involvement, you got DamageControl, you got Pure Fusion
Collective involved.
I mean, or could get involvedin this match.
If they're still kind offeuding with Damage Control, I
(13:54):
mean I really want EO to win,but Liv's going to win this
match.
We already know what it is.
She's going to win this match.
She's going to feud Rhea RipleyIf they finish it off at Royal
Rumble or they stretch it out toWrestleMania, I hope that
doesn't happen I don't know, butthey're probably going to
wrestle at Royal Rumble morelikely.
But yeah, I got Liv Morganwinning, not because I really
(14:14):
that's why I won't, but that'sjust a smart decision of who I'm
picking for this match.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Mm-hmm.
And for the last match, themain event of Saturday Night's
main event, cody Rose versusKevin Owens for the WWE
Undisputed Championship and forthis one I feel like it's pretty
clear-cut I would say Sure do Iwant Kevin to win.
Yeah, he deserves it.
(14:42):
He deserves it ever since hewon, ever since he lost the
Universal Championship toGoldberg, was it?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Didn't he lose it to Goldberg?
I think so.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, ever since that , he deserves another rematch,
another match.
I know he's gotten one before,but I'm saying one with no
shenanigans, and you know, codyRose being the top babyface that
he is, there's not going to beno shenanigans in this match, at
least coming from Cody Rose'sside.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And not Kevin Owens either.
Nobody likes him.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Unless Randy Orton, somebody comes back.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I'm saying shenanigans for Kevin Owens by
himself, like doing somethingcheap, like a low blow.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh, he could.
I mean this Kevin Owens.
Right here is the Kevin Owensthat Cody, no, I'm saying there
would be no shenanigans fromCody Rose except Randy Orton,
maybe.
Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And so I'm saying Cody Rose, especially with that
edge that Randy Orton couldreturn.
So yeah, I'm picking Cody Roseto retain.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, I mean this whole build-up.
I mean I think I told youbefore the whole build-up came
from.
Yeah, I think I told you beforethe whole build-up came from.
You got to think everythingthat Cody went through with
trying to finish the story twostraight years came back to WWE,
won the Royal Rumble, wrestledRoman Reigns, lost to Roman
Reigns, spent the next year,literally the next year, trying
(16:03):
to get this belt back again fromRoman Reigns.
Then they won the Royal Rumbleagain two years in a row, chose
Roman Reigns again.
They're on the Royal Rumbleagain two years in a row, choke
from the Reigns again.
Then also in that match.
You knew you knew the Bloodlinewas going to get involved in
that match, which they did.
And Cody Rhodes had help too.
I mean he, he had, uh, sethRollins come out, I mean Kevin
(16:25):
Owens and Sami Zayn beat theUsos for the world championship,
I mean for the tag teamchampionship.
I mean the Rock came out andhelped out Roman Reigns.
The Undertaker came out andhelped Cody Rhodes.
They did all this to help CodyRhodes win the belt, to finally
beat Roman Reigns.
And then, not even six monthslater or no, it was about six
months.
Russ Manning was in April, may,june, october-ish yeah.
(16:48):
He teamed Roman Reigns in the.
The same year.
They didn't let a year go by.
In the same year he taggedthings with Roman Reigns to help
Roman Reigns get his bloodlineback that Cody spent two years
trying to get rid of.
That's why Kevin Owens is mad.
I'd be mad too with that.
I helped you.
I went through tables for you.
I fought the bloodline forthree or four years before he
(17:09):
was in.
Before Kevin Owens came back toWWE, kevin Owens was getting
thrown off the top of a boat atWrestleMania A boat.
Remember that thing about thatboat.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
When they were in the Performance Center, there was a
boat though.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, there was a boat.
Remember it was at one of theWrestleManias For the pirate
ship thing.
Yeah, oh.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I don't remember the boat part, but I remember him
getting thrown off a bunch ofstories.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's what I'm saying.
So he went through all thatagainst the bloodline Years
Before Cody Rhodes came back, hewas still in AEW.
He went through all this.
Cody Rhodes comes back.
He finally dethrones the guy.
Everybody wants him to be,everybody who.
Everybody wants to lose thebelt.
Then, less than a year later,you're tag-teaming with the same
(17:51):
guy who you spent two yearstrying to defeat and get rid of
his bloodline, just to help himget his bloodline back from so
long.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well that was why he was trying to do that match.
Wow, I never thought about that, you see what I'm saying.
And Roman Reigns kind of didn'teven want to team with Cody
Rose.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's what I'm saying.
But they decided to teamtogether and Cody decided to
help him out.
Cody said no, I don't want tohelp you out.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, Cody came up to him.
Remember, that's what.
I'm saying that's what I'msaying, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's why Kevin Owens is mad.
That's the whole point.
And then the whole Randy Ortonthing came out.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And you know and all this, and so it's like I don't
know.
It's just Kevin Owens isfrustrated.
He went through all thistrouble for years, years and
years and years of the bloodlinefor Cody to come in, finally
get the maroon, maroons and thentry to help him get his
(18:45):
bloodline back.
Yeah, the same bloodline thatKevin Owens got beat up for, the
same bloodline that Cody Rhodestried to get rid of when he
came back.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And you want him back .
So that's why Kevin Owens ismad.
I'll be mad too.
You probably obeyed Facebook.
He helped out the biggest heelin the company at the time
Outside of Dunkin' Mysterio,Before you know, before he lost.
Yeah, and came back, you know.
And so Kevin Owens has a goodpoint.
You know this and this, buthe's helping out the number one
(19:16):
heel in wrestling.
Nobody wanted to be championanymore, you know.
But with all that being said, Ijust, I just don't think Kevin
Owens beat Cody.
I mean, I want Kevin Owens tobeat Cody Rhodes.
Yes, yes, we need somethingdifferent.
We don't need a.
When I say we as fans, we don'tneed that.
We, when I say we as fans, wedon't need a champion to have a
(19:38):
belt for two, three yearsanymore.
That's you don't need that youcan change the belt every few
months now, like they used toback in the day and in a
championship that showed alittle bit of that exactly in a
championship.
Doing that United Stateschampionship did Jay, and then
back to Bron.
You know so I mean it's good.
I mean women's champion, didthat Rhea Ripley, liv Morgan,
(19:59):
all that Bailey and all them.
You know.
I mean, you know Nia Jax had itand Bailey had it.
You know so it's like you have.
And then Io had it before her.
So you know it's it's good tochange it up every now and then,
cause that makes it even foranybody to win.
If one guy dominates for fouror five years, that means
(20:20):
nobody's winning that belt.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So if you let somebody or not let somebody,
but if somebody wins that belt ayear later or six months later,
then they get somebody'sopportunity to come win it.
Who the fans are behind, youknow?
I mean, yeah, the fans werebehind.
You know.
I mean, yeah, the fans don'tlike Kevin Owens, but it gives
Cody a reason to go back afterhim, yeah.
You know, cody's a good chaser,as they say, he's a good
(20:45):
champion as well, but somepeople are better chasers than
they are champions.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Like Trick Williams kind of.
No, he's good.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Some people do better on the chase to a championship
than actually getting thechampionship.
You see what I'm saying.
Some people look better tryingto get to a championship.
You know, like, look at KevinOwens Him winning the
championship this bad, it makeshim look good.
He does anything.
He does whatever needs to bedone to win a championship,
whether it's attacking Cody Rosefrom behind, you know, staying
(21:15):
in his car, faking like he'soutside and drove off.
But he's actually back into thearena, you know, like he did
last week.
You know, whatever the casemight be, you know, kevin Owens
is a good champion too, butthere's some people who are just
better at the climb up the hill.
Yeah, you know there's just somepeople who are just better at
that.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
You know, I think that's what Cody is.
I mean, cody's a good champion,don't get me wrong.
But his fight to get to thechampionship, his story and his
dad never winning and doing allthat, that's a great story.
You know he's been a goodchampion, but let Kevin, that
gives Cody a reason to go afterthat.
Or if they decide to change,you know, with with raw going to
(21:58):
Nick to Netflix in a few weeksand they're going to be people
with around who say Cody's notgonna be on raw.
So who's they were?
Mine's not gonna be on raw.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That.
I mean that would just give Rodday too much superstars.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Rod has been in the dirt recently, but you can
always trade yeah, you canalways trade.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean you got sam punk.
I mean you can.
You can, I mean you got peopleyou can move and the good thing
about netflix.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Like recently I I think that um smackdown has been
the better show, but raw beingon netflix, I feel like it gives
it that edge, you know yeah,hopefully, hopefully they won't
bleep the crowd out.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I mean, I guess I know you can't have the
wrestlers up there sayingwhatever you want to say, but
it's.
It's hard to watch wrestlingwhen you can't even hear people
talk because the crowds you knowsaying whatever they're saying
yeah maybe with netflix being anon-network tv, maybe netflix
will let the crowd say whatthey're saying.
Yeah, maybe with Netflix beinga non-network TV, maybe Netflix
will let the crowd say what theywant to say without bleeping it
out.
(23:01):
Or just like cutting whensomeone like does something yeah
or just cut into a black screenwhen they see something on TV
or something they don't want tosee, you know, but I don't know.
I mean, yeah, you pick Cody,yeah, I pick Cody, I'm just
going to go against you, I'mgoing to go with Kevin Owens,
(23:21):
just to make it interesting, sohe has something to go root
against.
So, yeah, I'm going with KevinOwens.
Okay, I don't know if he reallywins.
If Kevin Owens of NXT comesback, you know the way Kevin's
thing, if they come back, thenwe have a chance, you know so,
but yeah, anything else.
(23:42):
No, I think that's it all right.
So Saturday night main event,uh thing come on tonight 8, 8 pm
yeah, 8 pm yeah all right, it'sbeen another.
Uh, I'm Ben and.
Bash been an episode of TagTeam.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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