April 18, 2025 • 36 mins
We celebrate our one-year podcast anniversary while delivering our predictions for NXT Stand and Deliver during WrestleMania weekend, breaking down every championship match and anticipating which stars might move to the main roster following the event.
• Roxanne Perez's placement on the pre-show is surprising given her Royal Rumble runner-up status and Elimination Chamber appearance
• DarkState likely to defeat the D'Angelo Family due to better cohesion and Tony D's crew experiencing internal tension
• Ricky Saints (formerly Ricky Starks) expected to retain the North American Championship against fellow former AEW star Ethan Page
• Sol Ruca and Zaria favored to win the six-woman ladder match for the Women's North American Championship
• Tension between Nathan Frazier and Axiom points to Hank and Tank capturing the Tag Team Championships
• Jordynne Grace projected to win the Women's Championship in the fatal four-way, with Stephanie Vaquer and Giulia potentially main roster bound
• Oba Femi likely to retain the NXT Championship, though 20-year-old Je’Von Evans represents the future of the brand
• Trick Williams expected to debut on either Raw or SmackDown following Stand and Deliver
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to the Ben and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
I'm Ben, I'm Bash.
It's time to lift up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, here we are for another one.
Oh, it's also a specialoccasion.
Today it's our one year.
So we've been doing this forone year now.
So you know, switch up a littlebit with the new look.
You know new look area.
But but yeah, as always, we'regoing to bring you out some
predictions.
So this one is going to be forstand and deliver NXT for
(00:36):
WrestleMania weekend.
So let's get to it In thepre-show.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's a fatal four wayway between metaphor, uh,
fatal influence, tatum paxleyand gg dolan and roxanne perez
and kora j.
And this is for the uh women'schampionships which is being
held by live and raquel rightnow.
But, um, they have a matchagainst Bayley and Lyra at
(01:06):
WrestleMania.
So, yeah, whoever wins thatfaces the winner of this.
But yeah, I don't know, this isa pretty tough one, but
actually, no, I don't think it'sthat hard, but it's kind of
hard.
I personally would pick Roxanne.
(01:30):
No, I'm gonna pick metaphor,metaphor, to win this metaphor,
that's it, no other reason justuh, wait, wait, a minute, hold,
let me change my pick.
Roxanne Perez and Corey Jade.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Any reason.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I don't know, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Y'all know, just picked them.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I got you.
So first, before I get startedon this, why is Roxanne going to
pre-show for NXT?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean I mean she was in the mission chamber.
Was she coming second in that?
Didn't she get pinned by Bianca?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Who did she get pinned?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
by.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Bailey.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Bailey no, but no, bailey's the first one out.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, Roxanne pinned her.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, roxanne pinned her, so who pinned?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Roxanne, was it?
I think it was live wellanyways.
But anyway, what I'm saying isshe was in the mission chamber
did pretty good at that man.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
She was in the royal rumble came in second in the
room behind charlotte.
Yep, that's a goodaccomplishment.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Runner-up and you end up being on the pre-show of of
nxt.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You gotta think look, look, here are two.
Here are the runners up of theRoyal Rumbles, roxanne Perez and
John Cena.
Look where John Cena is rightnow, and look where Roxanne
Perez is right now.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Exactly, I mean Roxanne Perez.
I mean nothing against her.
I mean I know she's excited,she's a good wrestler, she's
still gonna make this a goodmatch, regardless of her and
Cora.
But the fact that a formerWomen's World Champion with two
or three-time NXT champion is onthe pre-show of NXT and not the
(03:15):
main show or even WrestleMania.
I thought they were going tohave her feud with Bayley.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, they just stopped it.
I mean, what happened with that?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
They just stopped all of a sudden and now Bayley's in
a match at Wrestling Night 1.
We can see that in our nextshow.
But yeah, I'm not sure.
I mean I'm going to go withRoxanne and hold on.
Talk about Roxanne, or do.
Is it Family Influence, becauseboth of them are probably going
(03:42):
to win?
When are they going to win?
So metaphor and team, yeah, somy original thing, because
metaphor is going to probably goto the main roster, mm-hmm.
Well, you can still win.
It's not the NFC Championship.
This is the WWE Women's TagTeam, so you can still go to the
main roster, but I thinkRoxanne and Cora may do better
(04:05):
with the tag team championshipsgoing to the main roster.
This is WrestleMania weekend.
Come Monday they're going tohave some new debuts.
Monday and next Friday they'regoing to have some debuts,
because that's when they usuallycall some people from NXT.
They debut Monday afterWrestleMania.
With that being said, I'm gonnago.
(04:26):
You picked Roxanne and Kord,yeah, I know, but yeah, I'm
gonna go ahead and pick Roxanneand Kord as well, just for the
simple fact that they are best.
I mean, I call them form bestfriends, but they're kinda I
guess they may get along in thismatch for the sake of what's at
(04:47):
stake.
I mean WrestleMania weekend,doing this, doing that.
But uh, yeah, I got.
I got Cora and Roxanne Perezcome down on top winning the
women's tag team championshipand then move to the main roster
with the championship nextMm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Next for the first match on the actual card.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We're not winning tag team championship, they're
winning number one contender.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Oh, so you don't think they're going to win the
actual championship?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I don't know.
It depends on who I think isgoing to win the tag team match
at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, we'll talk about that one on that show, but
they're going to win number onecontender match.
If they win the tag team match,I don't know yet.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
we'll decide that based on another day but yeah,
for the first match on theactual card is the D'Angelo
family, which is Tony D'Angelo,stack Sorenzo and Lusa Crucifino
, versus Dark State, which isDion Monix, cutler James and
lusa crucifino, versus darkstate, which is uh, dion monix,
(05:48):
uh cutler james, uh, staquonsugars, um and or, um or series
griffin osiris, osiris, sorry,uh, but um, yeah, the dark state
can use any three of thosepeople.
But yeah, I feel like the storyand just the overall premise.
(06:16):
I think this is Dark State'smatch to win.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I think.
So I'm going to agree with youagain, for a simple fact that
you probably know this, though,but Saquon Sugars I can't
remember what his name was onthe independent scene, but he's
a veteran, he's actually aveteran, he is.
Yeah, he's actually beenwrestling for a while.
He's probably the veteran ofthat entire group.
(06:45):
The rest of those guys are fromcollege, pretty much Cyrus and
Cutler.
Cutler, I think, went to thesame school as Julius Creed.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And Cutler.
I don't know if it's Cutler orsomebody else, but one of these
guys is on LFG, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I think it's Cutler.
Yeah, but what I'm saying isCutler.
I think Cutler went to school.
All of you went to school thesame year with but he went to
Duke and he was a wrestler toowith.
Julius Creed went to Duke too,mm-hmm.
I don't know if they were on thesame team or not, but he's a
wrestler, like Julius Creed OsDion Lennon we know about him
(07:25):
already from being on NXT before.
He's a football player as well,but, like I said, saquon is a
wrestler.
I think he's been a wrestlerfor a while, a few years now,
not a long time.
He's not like an AJ Styles, orI won't say a machine gun a long
time, but a few years longerthan the rest of the guys.
So technically I make him, myguess, the unofficial leader.
I guess technically, since he's.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think this deal well we give.
This is most known on NXT, butwhat he's like leading the group
, every time he's like do this,do this, do that, run that yeah,
but you can be a leader and notleave.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You can.
You can be a leader and still bebehind, like you can be the
mastermind behind everything youknow, yeah you can be the
leader and be the mastermindbehind everything and not
actually be the one you know, bethe one who works behind the
scenes.
Have somebody else keep theorders.
Mm-hmm, you know, that's why Icall it masterminds, you know.
But yeah, I got Darkstatewinning this match.
(08:18):
They need it way more than theD'Angelo family.
Yeah, plus the D' Angelo family.
They're kinda not feuding, butthey're kinda not agreeing with
each other right now, with whatStax did on NXT having to park a
lot of brawl without Tony'sblessing, which you don't do
that with Dunn.
You got to get Dunn's blessingbefore you do anything.
(08:39):
We all get the boss's blessingperiod before you do anything
like that, especially when itcomes to fighting.
You know, had Tony and I cameout there and saved them, what
would have happened?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They would have just got left there.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Exactly or worse, you know who knows what would have
happened.
But now Tony seems like he'sdown with them now but they're
still in the backside of theywent out without them, you know,
behind his back.
So that's why I got dark state.
When they're, they're more of acohesive unit right now.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
They're more kind of aligned with each other right
now yeah, um, but for the secondmatch on the card, it's ricky
saints versus ethan page for thenxt north american championship
, and ricky saints is thechampion and this one I mean I
(09:29):
really want Ethan Page to win,because I just want to see him
hold the North AmericanChampionship, but Sins really
just wanted you know it don'tmatter.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You win championship and lose it to Slayer.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, but um, um, but yeah, uh, I would probably say
Ricky Saints is going to retainthe championship.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, I mean Ricky Saints, better known as Ricky
Starks, and Ethan Page.
A year ago was in the AEW bothof them.
Now they're in the samedelivery.
I mean crazy.
(10:21):
What a year can do.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know, I mean what happened over there at AEW.
I don't know if you know EthanPage.
I think he felt prettyprofessionally.
I think I think Ricky wanted toleave, like that, but then they
held him Kind of how he did RayPhoenix.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
He kind of froze his contract where he couldn't go
nowhere and then he just stoppedshowing on TV.
But he was still employed foralmost a year before he was able
to leave.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Why did he do that?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's business.
If you know somebody wants togo to another company, you
always let them go.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
How did?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
they tell People know , people know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, anybody about to leave AEW moves like he's
going to WWE anyways.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Exactly.
And then Ricky Starr is friendswith Bayley and Ethan Page and
other people.
He's actually friends with someof the people that's in NXT.
You know he's been on WWE TVbefore as a jobber.
So I mean most wrestlers yousee were jobbers or security
guards or something at one pointin time.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Before they became a, a AEW or TNA or NWA or New
Japan or wherever they were at.
Before they came to me theywere jobbers or security guards
or police officers or whateveryou want.
You know.
Whatever it is, you know, yeah,but yeah, he was.
I remember him being a jobber.
I can't remember the match hewas in, but yeah, he was a
jobber.
Mm-hmm.
You know Him and his other usedto be a tag team partner, aaron
(11:50):
Solo, mm-hmm.
Yeah, both of them were jobbersin a tag team match.
I wouldn't say Viking rage, butit might have been somebody
else.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But yeah, yeah, that's all for that match.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, I'm gonna go with Ricky Sainz as well.
I mean, we're kind of on thesame page right now.
Mm-hm, I mean it's gonna be agood match.
I just don't see Ethan Pagebeating Ricky Starks.
Mm-hm, I just don't see it.
I mean, do I want him to win?
Sure, but do I see him winning?
I don't think so.
So I'm going to go with that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yep For the third match on the card.
I think this is going to changeour likeness.
In this it's Zaria versusKalani versus Soruka versus Izzy
Dane versus Lola Weiss versusThea Hale for the NXT Women's
North American Championship in aladder match right.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Ladder match yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And for this one, I don't know.
I was trying to think aboutthis, but I assumed I went for
Thea Hale immediately, but thenI thought about it and then I
think, Either sorry or sorry,but I feel like I know what
(13:17):
you're going to do.
Okay, Because if I go Sorukayou're going to go Zarya, and if
I go Zarya you're going to goSoruka, I feel like.
But personally I am going withZarya.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
And your reason.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
No, but I am predicting the finish of the
match.
I know exactly what's going tohappen.
What's that.
Zarya and Zorua are going toclimb the ladder at the same
time, and then they're going tolook at each other, and then
they're going to start fighting,and then Zarya's going to win.
That's my prediction.
Is it going to go exactly likethat, down to the exact movement
(13:54):
?
But yeah, I think Zarya's goingto win.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Okay, I mean good finish, but wrong person who?
Saul Rooker?
I mean, like I said, kalani,she's already had it already.
Cool, no, she doesn't need it.
Lola, she can use it, but whenthat's how you see her on TV
wrestling, besides thequalifying match, Dang, that's a
(14:20):
good point, Exactly I haven'tseen her on TV in a while.
Unless she may have been hurt,I don't know.
But Izzy Dane nah.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Dang.
I was going to say Not to madabout it but she's not ready yet
.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
She's still green, she's still new.
I mean, what about the colonthough?
Yeah, that's, that's good.
It's actually good that she'swith people like that.
I mean her and, um, I can'tthink of the mohawk name.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But um, like you know , you can't remember that you go
, you go something.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You go something with the sea yeah, but the uh, her
and the gal and and the otherother calling out the mojo.
They're going to actually gogood with Sean Spears and what's
his other name Used to be withBriggs Jensen.
Brooke Jensen.
He's a second generationwrestler.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
His dad used to wrestle back in the day.
Six Second, oh six.
I thought you said six, no, no.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Off topic a little bit.
I think Ava is the mostgenerational.
Because her dad, her granddadand her great granddad.
So she's a fourth generation,so she may be the first.
I think she's the first fourthgeneration wrestler.
Yeah, wrestler yeah, costa Rockis three, natalia's three,
(15:39):
roman Reigns is two, two, maybethree, jacob Fatu three.
So yeah, there's a lot of threegenerational wrestlers, but no
fourth generation wrestlers,except for Ava yeah until now.
If even man's kids startedwrestling, then they may be for
(16:02):
Debbie for two one day,stephanie.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, but he's like he's sports he was.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
He was that before he was a floater.
We did so, let's stillgenerational wrestler.
He was in the company.
That's one generation.
So play it that still so, thisfourth generation.
So yeah, it's still agenerational wrestler.
He was in the company.
That's one generation.
So it's fourth generation.
So yeah, it's still so.
Yeah, ava's the fourthgeneration.
She's the only one right now Ican think of on top of that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But yeah.
So Ruka, I think, is gonna win,Like I said.
But Izzy Dames, she's gonna begood eventually, I think, but
she's not there yet.
It's good that she's with SeanSpears, brooks Jensen.
That's going to give her someveteran leadership.
Like I said, sean Spears is agood wrestler.
He's up there.
(16:48):
People might not like him forwhatever reason, but as far as
his pure wrestling ability, he'sup there by far.
I'm going to go with Sol RukaSimilar finish to what you said,
but soul's gonna come out ontop on this one.
I kind of I wanted zaria to winbecause she was.
She was one, she was part ofthe big three that came in oh
yeah you know, uh, stephanie,julia zaria, all came in back to
(17:12):
back to back.
I mean shot.
I was cooking with that one, hewas cooking, and then he
brought in Jordan, bruce and whoknows who's gonna bring it
later Once, you know once.
And he has people on LFG comingup.
Olympic gold medalist.
I mean another Olympic goldmedalist, I mean come on now.
I mean cause it's only, it'sonly been what One Olympic gold
(17:34):
medalist so far hurry up.
Is he the one?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
no, no, no no, no, no what about that other guy?
I?
Know oh did he win, the littleman?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
no, he won pan-american games, but not the
olympics, not a gold medalanyways.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But he's a liberty too I could have sworn, jackie
will won no, he might have wonthe middle, but now he went
olympics.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, uh, I guess not .
I guess it's only because wegot um other gable.
That was there.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
There was the evil sim, he was there for two
seconds.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, he wasn't there long enough.
But yeah, he was the second onetechnically he had a big kite.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
But like, no, like, yeah, he was the second one
technically.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
But then they got a girl.
She's the first female.
I think she's gotta be firstfemale yeah, yeah, I saw her
yeah, with the, uh, I guess thedress, I guess two, at least two
yeah at least two.
Yeah, but she's a, but she's a.
She's a wrestling fan, thoughshe's a real fan, like you can
tell, like she actually lovesdoing what she do.
(18:34):
You know she's not just doingit because it's her secondary,
you know first option to workout.
She enjoys wrestling like WWEstyle.
You know sports entertainmentas they call it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But anyway, I'll talk to her a little bit.
But yeah, so Ruka thinks she'sgoing to win this match pretty
easily.
I think Not easily, but she'sgoing to win this match.
Not easily, but she's going towin this match.
And you know, I mean she was arookie of the year last year.
She was yes, before she gothurt For the.
Slammings no for PWI.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh, the actual PWI.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yes, the actual PWI.
She was a rookie of the year.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Not the Slammings.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
No, like she was the actual PWI rookie of the year
2024?
I believe it was 2024.
Yeah, 2023, 2024, one of themtwo, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And then she got hurt .
Remember she got hurt.
She was out for like six, sevenmonths.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So yeah, she needs to win now because she has little
to that hype now.
You don't win Rookie of theYear, something that like Sting
and people like that I thinkJohn Cena might have won it.
People like that won it.
And Brock Lesnar and you knowguys like that win it.
Charlotte Flair you know peoplelike that win it.
You don't just win that andonly win a championship.
(19:49):
You know you got to dosomething with that.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know so.
But anyways, that's my thingthere and that's it.
That's it so.
So we're going to be some crazystunts to on there.
She's gonna do some crazy stuffoff the top of letter probably,
you know we have some prettysimilar pics so far so far has
that.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
We change on that one though but like they're like
very close, closer, like a teamyeah, cool so far anyways, yeah,
that, that's it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, for the fourth match on the card, it's Nathan
Frazier and Axiom versus Hankand Tink for the NXT Tag Team
Championships.
And for this one you can kindof see it's been building for a
while.
Nathan Frazier and Axiom kindof like not being on the same
(20:40):
page at all, and Hank and Tankhave been the absolute opposite.
They've been like basically thesame person.
They talked to a lot of people,failed a lot of times, but this
time I don't think they come upshort.
I think they win the NXT TagTeam Championships and I have a
(21:05):
bonus I think Nathan Frazier isgoing to turn on Axiom after
they lose.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You think so?
Yep, yeah, I think he'sbuilding up.
Is Nathan Frazier, or is itAxiom's turn?
One of them's going to turn?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I think it's Nathan Fraser, because he's the one who
doesn't care or is jealous.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And that's how accent turns on him, because Nathan
Fraser doesn't care, and accentloses the belt because Nathan
Fraser didn't care and it costhim the match.
You know what I'm saying, notsaying that's what happens, but
I'm saying that's usually how ithappens when somebody like that
doesn't care and the other oneturned on the other one because
you cost me a match, because youwere joking around for the last
(21:42):
few weeks, you know, doingthese side missions, like you
were doing over in England,wrestling over there and all
this stuff.
You know, instead of focusingon tag team championships that
we got um, as much as I won't.
I don't know about Hank andTaint, though, can they?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Can they hold the titles?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yes, can they?
I'm trying to figure out how tophrase it.
Can they lead a division in NXT?
Think about how many men tagteams you have in NXT right now
and how many are coming upthrough LFG and Evolve and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, there's a whole gauntlet, there's a whole bunch
of them.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
So can they be the ones to hold it down If Nathan
Frazier and Hexton lose?
Like Nathan Frazier, whetheryou like him or not, they've
been holding tag team titlesdown.
They defend them everywhere.
They put on good matches, youknow.
So can Hank and Tank do thesame thing, you know?
(22:43):
I mean, yes, do I want to needto phrase an excellent breakup?
Of course, this would be a timeto do it WrestleMania weekend.
We need something big to happen.
So, yeah, we need something bigto happen with this, because
that's kind of how WrestleManiaWeeks works, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But other than that we'll see.
But yeah, I'm going to go Hankand Tank because I want to see
Axl and Nathan break up a few ofeach other.
Those are going to be some goodmatches right there.
Who's going to be the heel ofthat, I don't know.
(23:24):
Um maybe, like I said, nathanfraser, but also I could see
axel turn on the professorbecause he both wins.
Because nathan fraser has beenbeen doing side missions, not
caring, not doing anything andcosting the match.
They've almost lost.
A few times called nathanfraser yeah, because he missed
you you know, not tagging theman or all kinds of anomalous
moves in the match.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So I can see it's actually cost him his time and
he broke his nose one time.
I forgot what happened, oh yeah, because he had a match before
the match.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's right, he had two matches, yep.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But yeah, that's all you can see for that match.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, Hating Tank.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Mm-hmm Dang, we have like the same predictions.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Pretty much.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But for the fifth match on the card.
It's a fatal four-way for theNXT Women's Championship.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's definitely we're probably going to change that
right here, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You think so?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I think it's going to be Stephanie Valcaire versus
Julia versus Jordan Grace versusJada Parker, and you might be
surprised by this, but I thinkStephanie Valcaire is going to
lose the title.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
To Either Jordan Grace or Jada parker can I pick
one?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I am going to pick.
I know this is gonna mess me up, but I'm picking jada park.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's what I was going to pick, but I'll probably
pick my second choice, so youcan be a little different this
time around.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Dang, you're going to pick.
How do you?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
keep doing that.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I'll finish up while you'rehard winning, ms Parker.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Because I just think she's been the most dominant,
the most confident Her videopackages recently.
Like she has motivation intothis and she's the most
confident by far and I just seeher holding the title for a long
not a long time but like I justsee her holding the title very
well and, yeah, I just think sheis the best built for the title
(25:35):
.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, because I, meania and stephanie can move to
the main roster on monday yeahI mean, they're that good, they
can easily go to the main roster.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Oh, and also side thing for this.
I think stephanie valcaire andjulia um cross each other out
because they're just gonna fightthe whole time mm-hmm, and then
joy bracing, and jay didn't dothe same thing yeah they've been
fighting that stage.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's been on site with them since they crossed
paths With each other the firsttime.
But yeah, I mean, like I said,stephanie and Julia could
literally go to the main rosteron Monday and nobody would
question it, even though theywouldn't have been there for
Less than a year.
I mean, nobody would questionit at all.
Kevin Owens was in NXT For lessthan a year.
Mania roster beat John CenaWait he beat John Cena?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yes, oh, I thought he just attacked John Cena.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
He did attack him in the main roster and he beat him.
But I'm just saying he can doone of those numbers where he
can be on the main roster onMonday easily and be in a feud
and then have a match at was itno Mercy?
The next?
A match at?
Uh, was it no mercy?
The next?
What's next?
No, backlash, backlash,backlash.
That's what that verse made.
Yeah, but they can either havea match at that.
That's how good they are.
(26:45):
But who do I want rio picking?
uh, yeah, yeah, I'm picking, uhas much as I mean I want jada
parker to win.
I'm not gonna even hold you.
I want jada park Parker to win.
Like I said, she's been.
Her promos have been good.
Her in-ring ability has beenbetter.
You can tell she's been workingbehind the scenes, getting
better at everything.
(27:06):
Attitude has always been there.
Affleck being a soccer player,got the Affleck Jordan Grace the
juggernaut.
We call her little power pump.
What's her name?
I think it's something likethat when she was with Big Power
(27:27):
Pump.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Julia Julia and Stephanie Viqueir.
Like I said, this is a hard one, man, this is a real hard one.
Any of them can win, but, likeI said, I wanted Jada Parker to
win.
I'm going to go different, justto be a little different on
(27:50):
this one.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's how I want to win.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But I'm going to do my second choice, which is I
don't want Stephanie.
That's how I want to win.
But I'm going to do my secondchoice, which is do I want
Stephanie or do I want JordanGrace?
I like Julia too, but JordanGrace just came up, yeah,
Because it's a favorite four-wayStephanie don't have to lose
(28:13):
the belts.
I'm gonna pick Jordan Grace.
I'm gonna pick Jordan Grace.
Jordan I come from 10A, used tobe a former 10A champion.
I'm gonna pick her and I'mgonna have her winning.
Holding the women division down, yeah, I mean, I got between
her and Jada Parker, but once Iwant Jada Parker to win, I think
(28:34):
Jordan Grace may pull it out atthe very end.
But yeah, I got Jordan Grace towin Women's Championship.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And for the last match on the card, the main
event, it's Oba Femi versusChickalyn versus Javon Evans for
the NXT Championship.
And this one I don't thinkwe're on the same page.
I don't know though.
Probably not, definitelyprobably not.
I mean, I know your number.
(29:07):
One thing is going to gostraight to he's too young, you
know.
He's not old enough.
That's the same thing, but youknow.
But like I'm picking YvonneEvans to pull it out with his
underdog story, and win, youmight be on the same page then.
And win the NXT Championship.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You might be on the same page then.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh, you wanted him to win too.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I didn't want him to win.
I'm finna.
Tell you why.
I didn't want him to win.
I'm finna tell you why I thinkhe's gonna win.
You know why you picked.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Joel Nevin Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Okay, trig Williams When's he going to the main
roster?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Has to be soon.
I feel like he's gonna do ittomorrow.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
He's gonna be on the main roster Monday probably, or
Friday, friday.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Or they're going to do Some vignettes for him After
Sam Deliver, where he debutsLike Carmelo Hayes did.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oba Femi.
He could make Ross some moneytoo, literally both of them,
just like Julia and Stephanie.
Oba and Trick Can definitely goTo the main roster.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
People have been Wanting that for a while and by
having him go to the main roster, you open up slots for other
guys to step up and do what theygot to do.
You know, I mean, when you havetwo people leave, go to the
main roster.
You open up slots for otherpeople to step in.
That's why Javon Evans is thebest choice for that, because
he's not going to the mainroster right now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Even if I mean he could go, could easily go to the
main roster, but why?
He got plenty of time.
He's young, he has plenty oftime to develop plenty of time.
You don't need to go to themain roster right now.
He can easily go there andchallenge Randy Orton's record
for youngest world champion.
I think he's like 24, so he haslike 3 years left, or something
(30:50):
like that, but 4 years.
So 4 years left to challengeRandy that, but four years.
Actually he's 20.
So four years left thechallenge.
I think randy warden's record,I think so and I think um austin
theory was the youngest unitedstates yeah united states
champion.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So I think he was like also a money in the bank
yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So he has a chance to challenge all those records,
but he still has.
He still has two or three yearsleft to even get caught before
even you, even before he needsto.
So two or three more years nxtand go to the main roster.
He can easily do that, you know.
Develop more, yeah, get morepromos under his belt.
I mean his promos are good, buthe needs a little bit more
season on.
Like a little bit more uh youknow definition.
(31:29):
Like a little more um.
What do you call it?
Um?
Just a little more on.
You know definition.
I get no more um.
What do you call it?
Um?
Just put it more on.
You know, just remorn hispromos.
You know um.
But yeah, he's.
I mean he's a good wrestler.
He's a good wrestler.
I mean I mean for him to be asyoung as he is and then
wrestling as long as he is, it'dbe as good as he is already him
at 20 he didn't hit his prime.
He gets 25, 26, 25, 26,.
(31:54):
He's going to be probably upthere as far as best wrestlers
in the world.
He had another six more yearsbefore he even gets to his prime
.
He's not even done growing yet.
He can still get taller orbigger to get into his adult
body.
He's not even in his adult bodyyet.
Hold on to get into his adultbody.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
He's not even in his adult body, yet you know so.
So hold on Speaking of that.
That's why they called him achild on NXT, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean compared to Trick Williams, the older family
he is.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I can't call the thing older than Trick.
Both of their late 20s, almostlike maybe 30.
Their late 20s, for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I mean technically, I think by law 21 is an adult.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Well, 18 is an adult.
Technically, 18 is an adult andthe United States 18 is
technically.
But 21,.
You can pretty much do anythingyou know as far as legally-wise
.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
But I know Trickle Green's not going to win because
he has to go to the main roster.
He's been in the NCAA too long,so same logic with Obafemi long
oh.
But I don't know about they.
Can leave it, can?
They can easily have nxt for alittle bit longer and break him
up later yeah but john evans isthe the obvious choice to win,
(33:09):
is he?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
yeah, if you want to move over family and trick, we
have to the main yeah, but whatif they don't want people to
think they're doing it?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
That's the point, though.
Even if you don't, you got toget down to it.
Even if Opa Femi wins and goesto the main roster, he has to
relinquish his championship.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, what's the point of that when Javon Irving
is right?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
there I mean Asuka did it.
Asuka never lost to NXT yeah,she never lost so she fought.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Charlotte Flair, you said I don't?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
it was what it seems like, but yeah, she never lost.
So she fought Charlotte FlairWrestleMania.
That's her first loss ever itwas for WWE yeah so yeah, nxt
undefeated left, nxtrelinquished.
The belt went to the mainroster, ran through.
Everybody won a Royal Rumble.
Lost to Charlotte Flair atWrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I don't see why she lost I don't know, but anyways.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So Ova could do something similar where he could
still win, relinquish the belt,move to the main roster.
So I mean, that's what I got,so that's what I'm going with.
Yeah, I'm going to go withObafemi winning retaining, but
not surprised if Javon Evanswins.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Oh, you're going with Obafemi.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Obafemi winning yes.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
But I would not be surprised if Javon Evans won
Trick Williams.
No, Just because he's going tothe main roster.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Dang.
So Trick Williams is out.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, no just because he's going to the main roster.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
He's guaranteed going to the main roster.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Guaranteed going to the main roster.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
After this guaranteed After this.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
He's going to the main roster.
Either Monday or Friday.
Yeah, he may not, or they maydo like he did with Ray
Fingerson do some vignettes.
Yeah, I mean who's that guy?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
they've been advertising on Friday Night
Smackdown Aleister Black andit's pretty much Aleister Black,
but they could do some Well.
I mean, it's not like it's thedifference between calling
someone up and like a debut andhe's going to debut probably on
Smackdown tonight beforeWrestleMania.
And Rusev too.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
He also got re-signed , but he's not back yet.
He's going to come back lateron.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, after WrestleMania probably.
But yeah, but yeah, I think JoeWilliams also gets called up.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So he doesn't have a chance to win.
I mean, he's not going to sayhe doesn't have a chance, like
he's not a good wrestler, butjust the fact.
That'm not going to say hedoesn't have a chance, like he's
not a good wrestler, but justthe fact that he's going to get
called up and Oba between Obaand Javon Evans.
Javon Evans actually probablywill win it, but I think Oba's
going to win it, kind of pulllike an Oscar.
If he does win it, go to themain roster, lucasville.
Boom, there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
But yeah, is that it, that's it for me, man.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Alright, it's for me personally.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I'm a win?
You think so yep we'resomething pretty close to like
the last couple, last ones.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I think we're different on three yeah, on
three and we're like barelydifferent.
Yeah, but yep this seems likeit's going to be a pretty good
card, though oh yeah, definitely, I mean, since there was always
, but yep, this seems like it'sgonna be a pretty good card
though.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, since there was always,even it was Takeover, it's
always been pretty good.
I mean Sean Mock has donepretty good Trilogy Before Him.
They've all been pretty good onNXT cards, especially Yep
Storylines always been good andall that, but anything else.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Good Yep, All right so, with that being said, but
anything else, no, I don't think, I don't think so.
Good, all right.
So with that being said, I'mBen, I'm Bash.
This has been an episode of TagTeam Talk.
Welcome to the Ben and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
I'm Ben, I'm Bash.
It's time to lift up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, here we are for another one.
Oh, it's also a specialoccasion.
Today it's our one year.
So we've been doing this forone year now.
So you know, switch up a littlebit with the new look.
You know new look area.
But but yeah, as always, we'regoing to bring you out some
predictions.
So this one is going to be forstand and deliver NXT for
(00:36):
WrestleMania weekend.
So let's get to it In thepre-show.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's a fatal four wayway between metaphor, uh,
fatal influence, tatum paxleyand gg dolan and roxanne perez
and kora j.
And this is for the uh women'schampionships which is being
held by live and raquel rightnow.
But, um, they have a matchagainst Bayley and Lyra at
(01:06):
WrestleMania.
So, yeah, whoever wins thatfaces the winner of this.
But yeah, I don't know, this isa pretty tough one, but
actually, no, I don't think it'sthat hard, but it's kind of
hard.
I personally would pick Roxanne.
(01:30):
No, I'm gonna pick metaphor,metaphor, to win this metaphor,
that's it, no other reason justuh, wait, wait, a minute, hold,
let me change my pick.
Roxanne Perez and Corey Jade.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Any reason.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I don't know, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Y'all know, just picked them.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I got you.
So first, before I get startedon this, why is Roxanne going to
pre-show for NXT?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean I mean she was in the mission chamber.
Was she coming second in that?
Didn't she get pinned by Bianca?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Who did she get pinned?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
by.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Bailey.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Bailey no, but no, bailey's the first one out.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, Roxanne pinned her.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, roxanne pinned her, so who pinned?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Roxanne, was it?
I think it was live wellanyways.
But anyway, what I'm saying isshe was in the mission chamber
did pretty good at that man.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
She was in the royal rumble came in second in the
room behind charlotte.
Yep, that's a goodaccomplishment.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Runner-up and you end up being on the pre-show of of
nxt.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You gotta think look, look, here are two.
Here are the runners up of theRoyal Rumbles, roxanne Perez and
John Cena.
Look where John Cena is rightnow, and look where Roxanne
Perez is right now.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Exactly, I mean Roxanne Perez.
I mean nothing against her.
I mean I know she's excited,she's a good wrestler, she's
still gonna make this a goodmatch, regardless of her and
Cora.
But the fact that a formerWomen's World Champion with two
or three-time NXT champion is onthe pre-show of NXT and not the
(03:15):
main show or even WrestleMania.
I thought they were going tohave her feud with Bayley.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, they just stopped it.
I mean, what happened with that?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
They just stopped all of a sudden and now Bayley's in
a match at Wrestling Night 1.
We can see that in our nextshow.
But yeah, I'm not sure.
I mean I'm going to go withRoxanne and hold on.
Talk about Roxanne, or do.
Is it Family Influence, becauseboth of them are probably going
(03:42):
to win?
When are they going to win?
So metaphor and team, yeah, somy original thing, because
metaphor is going to probably goto the main roster, mm-hmm.
Well, you can still win.
It's not the NFC Championship.
This is the WWE Women's TagTeam, so you can still go to the
main roster, but I thinkRoxanne and Cora may do better
(04:05):
with the tag team championshipsgoing to the main roster.
This is WrestleMania weekend.
Come Monday they're going tohave some new debuts.
Monday and next Friday they'regoing to have some debuts,
because that's when they usuallycall some people from NXT.
They debut Monday afterWrestleMania.
With that being said, I'm gonnago.
(04:26):
You picked Roxanne and Kord,yeah, I know, but yeah, I'm
gonna go ahead and pick Roxanneand Kord as well, just for the
simple fact that they are best.
I mean, I call them form bestfriends, but they're kinda I
guess they may get along in thismatch for the sake of what's at
(04:47):
stake.
I mean WrestleMania weekend,doing this, doing that.
But uh, yeah, I got.
I got Cora and Roxanne Perezcome down on top winning the
women's tag team championshipand then move to the main roster
with the championship nextMm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Next for the first match on the actual card.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We're not winning tag team championship, they're
winning number one contender.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Oh, so you don't think they're going to win the
actual championship?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I don't know.
It depends on who I think isgoing to win the tag team match
at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, we'll talk about that one on that show, but
they're going to win number onecontender match.
If they win the tag team match,I don't know yet.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
we'll decide that based on another day but yeah,
for the first match on theactual card is the D'Angelo
family, which is Tony D'Angelo,stack Sorenzo and Lusa Crucifino
, versus Dark State, which isDion Monix, cutler James and
lusa crucifino, versus darkstate, which is uh, dion monix,
(05:48):
uh cutler james, uh, staquonsugars, um and or, um or series
griffin osiris, osiris, sorry,uh, but um, yeah, the dark state
can use any three of thosepeople.
But yeah, I feel like the storyand just the overall premise.
(06:16):
I think this is Dark State'smatch to win.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I think.
So I'm going to agree with youagain, for a simple fact that
you probably know this, though,but Saquon Sugars I can't
remember what his name was onthe independent scene, but he's
a veteran, he's actually aveteran, he is.
Yeah, he's actually beenwrestling for a while.
He's probably the veteran ofthat entire group.
(06:45):
The rest of those guys are fromcollege, pretty much Cyrus and
Cutler.
Cutler, I think, went to thesame school as Julius Creed.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And Cutler.
I don't know if it's Cutler orsomebody else, but one of these
guys is on LFG, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I think it's Cutler.
Yeah, but what I'm saying isCutler.
I think Cutler went to school.
All of you went to school thesame year with but he went to
Duke and he was a wrestler toowith.
Julius Creed went to Duke too,mm-hmm.
I don't know if they were on thesame team or not, but he's a
wrestler, like Julius Creed OsDion Lennon we know about him
(07:25):
already from being on NXT before.
He's a football player as well,but, like I said, saquon is a
wrestler.
I think he's been a wrestlerfor a while, a few years now,
not a long time.
He's not like an AJ Styles, orI won't say a machine gun a long
time, but a few years longerthan the rest of the guys.
So technically I make him, myguess, the unofficial leader.
I guess technically, since he's.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I think this deal well we give.
This is most known on NXT, butwhat he's like leading the group
, every time he's like do this,do this, do that, run that yeah,
but you can be a leader and notleave.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You can.
You can be a leader and still bebehind, like you can be the
mastermind behind everything youknow, yeah you can be the
leader and be the mastermindbehind everything and not
actually be the one you know, bethe one who works behind the
scenes.
Have somebody else keep theorders.
Mm-hmm, you know, that's why Icall it masterminds, you know.
But yeah, I got Darkstatewinning this match.
(08:18):
They need it way more than theD'Angelo family.
Yeah, plus the D' Angelo family.
They're kinda not feuding, butthey're kinda not agreeing with
each other right now, with whatStax did on NXT having to park a
lot of brawl without Tony'sblessing, which you don't do
that with Dunn.
You got to get Dunn's blessingbefore you do anything.
(08:39):
We all get the boss's blessingperiod before you do anything
like that, especially when itcomes to fighting.
You know, had Tony and I cameout there and saved them, what
would have happened?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They would have just got left there.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Exactly or worse, you know who knows what would have
happened.
But now Tony seems like he'sdown with them now but they're
still in the backside of theywent out without them, you know,
behind his back.
So that's why I got dark state.
When they're, they're more of acohesive unit right now.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
They're more kind of aligned with each other right
now yeah, um, but for the secondmatch on the card, it's ricky
saints versus ethan page for thenxt north american championship
, and ricky saints is thechampion and this one I mean I
(09:29):
really want Ethan Page to win,because I just want to see him
hold the North AmericanChampionship, but Sins really
just wanted you know it don'tmatter.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You win championship and lose it to Slayer.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, but um, um, but yeah, uh, I would probably say
Ricky Saints is going to retainthe championship.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, I mean Ricky Saints, better known as Ricky
Starks, and Ethan Page.
A year ago was in the AEW bothof them.
Now they're in the samedelivery.
I mean crazy.
(10:21):
What a year can do.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You know, I mean what happened over there at AEW.
I don't know if you know EthanPage.
I think he felt prettyprofessionally.
I think I think Ricky wanted toleave, like that, but then they
held him Kind of how he did RayPhoenix.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
He kind of froze his contract where he couldn't go
nowhere and then he just stoppedshowing on TV.
But he was still employed foralmost a year before he was able
to leave.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Why did he do that?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's business.
If you know somebody wants togo to another company, you
always let them go.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
How did?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
they tell People know , people know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, anybody about to leave AEW moves like he's
going to WWE anyways.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Exactly.
And then Ricky Starr is friendswith Bayley and Ethan Page and
other people.
He's actually friends with someof the people that's in NXT.
You know he's been on WWE TVbefore as a jobber.
So I mean most wrestlers yousee were jobbers or security
guards or something at one pointin time.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Before they became a, a AEW or TNA or NWA or New
Japan or wherever they were at.
Before they came to me theywere jobbers or security guards
or police officers or whateveryou want.
You know.
Whatever it is, you know, yeah,but yeah, he was.
I remember him being a jobber.
I can't remember the match hewas in, but yeah, he was a
jobber.
Mm-hmm.
You know Him and his other usedto be a tag team partner, aaron
(11:50):
Solo, mm-hmm.
Yeah, both of them were jobbersin a tag team match.
I wouldn't say Viking rage, butit might have been somebody
else.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But yeah, yeah, that's all for that match.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
No, I'm gonna go with Ricky Sainz as well.
I mean, we're kind of on thesame page right now.
Mm-hm, I mean it's gonna be agood match.
I just don't see Ethan Pagebeating Ricky Starks.
Mm-hm, I just don't see it.
I mean, do I want him to win?
Sure, but do I see him winning?
I don't think so.
So I'm going to go with that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yep For the third match on the card.
I think this is going to changeour likeness.
In this it's Zaria versusKalani versus Soruka versus Izzy
Dane versus Lola Weiss versusThea Hale for the NXT Women's
North American Championship in aladder match right.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Ladder match yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And for this one, I don't know.
I was trying to think aboutthis, but I assumed I went for
Thea Hale immediately, but thenI thought about it and then I
think, Either sorry or sorry,but I feel like I know what
(13:17):
you're going to do.
Okay, Because if I go Sorukayou're going to go Zarya, and if
I go Zarya you're going to goSoruka, I feel like.
But personally I am going withZarya.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
And your reason.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
No, but I am predicting the finish of the
match.
I know exactly what's going tohappen.
What's that.
Zarya and Zorua are going toclimb the ladder at the same
time, and then they're going tolook at each other, and then
they're going to start fighting,and then Zarya's going to win.
That's my prediction.
Is it going to go exactly likethat, down to the exact movement
(13:54):
?
But yeah, I think Zarya's goingto win.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Okay, I mean good finish, but wrong person who?
Saul Rooker?
I mean, like I said, kalani,she's already had it already.
Cool, no, she doesn't need it.
Lola, she can use it, but whenthat's how you see her on TV
wrestling, besides thequalifying match, Dang, that's a
(14:20):
good point, Exactly I haven'tseen her on TV in a while.
Unless she may have been hurt,I don't know.
But Izzy Dane nah.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Dang.
I was going to say Not to madabout it but she's not ready yet
.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
She's still green, she's still new.
I mean, what about the colonthough?
Yeah, that's, that's good.
It's actually good that she'swith people like that.
I mean her and, um, I can'tthink of the mohawk name.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But um, like you know , you can't remember that you go
, you go something.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You go something with the sea yeah, but the uh, her
and the gal and and the otherother calling out the mojo.
They're going to actually gogood with Sean Spears and what's
his other name Used to be withBriggs Jensen.
Brooke Jensen.
He's a second generationwrestler.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
His dad used to wrestle back in the day.
Six Second, oh six.
I thought you said six, no, no.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Off topic a little bit.
I think Ava is the mostgenerational.
Because her dad, her granddadand her great granddad.
So she's a fourth generation,so she may be the first.
I think she's the first fourthgeneration wrestler.
Yeah, wrestler yeah, costa Rockis three, natalia's three,
(15:39):
roman Reigns is two, two, maybethree, jacob Fatu three.
So yeah, there's a lot of threegenerational wrestlers, but no
fourth generation wrestlers,except for Ava yeah until now.
If even man's kids startedwrestling, then they may be for
(16:02):
Debbie for two one day,stephanie.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, but he's like he's sports he was.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
He was that before he was a floater.
We did so, let's stillgenerational wrestler.
He was in the company.
That's one generation.
So play it that still so, thisfourth generation.
So yeah, it's still agenerational wrestler.
He was in the company.
That's one generation.
So it's fourth generation.
So yeah, it's still so.
Yeah, ava's the fourthgeneration.
She's the only one right now Ican think of on top of that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
But yeah.
So Ruka, I think, is gonna win,Like I said.
But Izzy Dames, she's gonna begood eventually, I think, but
she's not there yet.
It's good that she's with SeanSpears, brooks Jensen.
That's going to give her someveteran leadership.
Like I said, sean Spears is agood wrestler.
He's up there.
(16:48):
People might not like him forwhatever reason, but as far as
his pure wrestling ability, he'sup there by far.
I'm going to go with Sol RukaSimilar finish to what you said,
but soul's gonna come out ontop on this one.
I kind of I wanted zaria to winbecause she was.
She was one, she was part ofthe big three that came in oh
yeah you know, uh, stephanie,julia zaria, all came in back to
(17:12):
back to back.
I mean shot.
I was cooking with that one, hewas cooking, and then he
brought in Jordan, bruce and whoknows who's gonna bring it
later Once, you know once.
And he has people on LFG comingup.
Olympic gold medalist.
I mean another Olympic goldmedalist, I mean come on now.
I mean cause it's only, it'sonly been what One Olympic gold
(17:34):
medalist so far hurry up.
Is he the one?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
no, no, no no, no, no what about that other guy?
I?
Know oh did he win, the littleman?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
no, he won pan-american games, but not the
olympics, not a gold medalanyways.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But he's a liberty too I could have sworn, jackie
will won no, he might have wonthe middle, but now he went
olympics.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, uh, I guess not .
I guess it's only because wegot um other gable.
That was there.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
There was the evil sim, he was there for two
seconds.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, he wasn't there long enough.
But yeah, he was the second onetechnically he had a big kite.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
But like, no, like, yeah, he was the second one
technically.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
But then they got a girl.
She's the first female.
I think she's gotta be firstfemale yeah, yeah, I saw her
yeah, with the, uh, I guess thedress, I guess two, at least two
yeah at least two.
Yeah, but she's a, but she's a.
She's a wrestling fan, thoughshe's a real fan, like you can
tell, like she actually lovesdoing what she do.
(18:34):
You know she's not just doingit because it's her secondary,
you know first option to workout.
She enjoys wrestling like WWEstyle.
You know sports entertainmentas they call it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But anyway, I'll talk to her a little bit.
But yeah, so Ruka thinks she'sgoing to win this match pretty
easily.
I think Not easily, but she'sgoing to win this match.
Not easily, but she's going towin this match.
And you know, I mean she was arookie of the year last year.
She was yes, before she gothurt For the.
Slammings no for PWI.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh, the actual PWI.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yes, the actual PWI.
She was a rookie of the year.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Not the Slammings.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
No, like she was the actual PWI rookie of the year
2024?
I believe it was 2024.
Yeah, 2023, 2024, one of themtwo, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And then she got hurt .
Remember she got hurt.
She was out for like six, sevenmonths.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So yeah, she needs to win now because she has little
to that hype now.
You don't win Rookie of theYear, something that like Sting
and people like that I thinkJohn Cena might have won it.
People like that won it.
And Brock Lesnar and you knowguys like that win it.
Charlotte Flair you know peoplelike that win it.
You don't just win that andonly win a championship.
(19:49):
You know you got to dosomething with that.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
You know so.
But anyways, that's my thingthere and that's it.
That's it so.
So we're going to be some crazystunts to on there.
She's gonna do some crazy stuffoff the top of letter probably,
you know we have some prettysimilar pics so far so far has
that.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
We change on that one though but like they're like
very close, closer, like a teamyeah, cool so far anyways, yeah,
that, that's it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, for the fourth match on the card, it's Nathan
Frazier and Axiom versus Hankand Tink for the NXT Tag Team
Championships.
And for this one you can kindof see it's been building for a
while.
Nathan Frazier and Axiom kindof like not being on the same
(20:40):
page at all, and Hank and Tankhave been the absolute opposite.
They've been like basically thesame person.
They talked to a lot of people,failed a lot of times, but this
time I don't think they come upshort.
I think they win the NXT TagTeam Championships and I have a
(21:05):
bonus I think Nathan Frazier isgoing to turn on Axiom after
they lose.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You think so?
Yep, yeah, I think he'sbuilding up.
Is Nathan Frazier, or is itAxiom's turn?
One of them's going to turn?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I think it's Nathan Fraser, because he's the one who
doesn't care or is jealous.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And that's how accent turns on him, because Nathan
Fraser doesn't care, and accentloses the belt because Nathan
Fraser didn't care and it costhim the match.
You know what I'm saying, notsaying that's what happens, but
I'm saying that's usually how ithappens when somebody like that
doesn't care and the other oneturned on the other one because
you cost me a match, because youwere joking around for the last
(21:42):
few weeks, you know, doingthese side missions, like you
were doing over in England,wrestling over there and all
this stuff.
You know, instead of focusingon tag team championships that
we got um, as much as I won't.
I don't know about Hank andTaint, though, can they?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Can they hold the titles?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yes, can they?
I'm trying to figure out how tophrase it.
Can they lead a division in NXT?
Think about how many men tagteams you have in NXT right now
and how many are coming upthrough LFG and Evolve and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, there's a whole gauntlet, there's a whole bunch
of them.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
So can they be the ones to hold it down If Nathan
Frazier and Hexton lose?
Like Nathan Frazier, whetheryou like him or not, they've
been holding tag team titlesdown.
They defend them everywhere.
They put on good matches, youknow.
So can Hank and Tank do thesame thing, you know?
(22:43):
I mean, yes, do I want to needto phrase an excellent breakup?
Of course, this would be a timeto do it WrestleMania weekend.
We need something big to happen.
So, yeah, we need something bigto happen with this, because
that's kind of how WrestleManiaWeeks works, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
But other than that we'll see.
But yeah, I'm going to go Hankand Tank because I want to see
Axl and Nathan break up a few ofeach other.
Those are going to be some goodmatches right there.
Who's going to be the heel ofthat, I don't know.
(23:24):
Um maybe, like I said, nathanfraser, but also I could see
axel turn on the professorbecause he both wins.
Because nathan fraser has beenbeen doing side missions, not
caring, not doing anything andcosting the match.
They've almost lost.
A few times called nathanfraser yeah, because he missed
you you know, not tagging theman or all kinds of anomalous
moves in the match.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So I can see it's actually cost him his time and
he broke his nose one time.
I forgot what happened, oh yeah, because he had a match before
the match.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's right, he had two matches, yep.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But yeah, that's all you can see for that match.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, Hating Tank.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Mm-hmm Dang, we have like the same predictions.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Pretty much.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But for the fifth match on the card.
It's a fatal four-way for theNXT Women's Championship.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's definitely we're probably going to change that
right here, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You think so?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I think it's going to be Stephanie Valcaire versus
Julia versus Jordan Grace versusJada Parker, and you might be
surprised by this, but I thinkStephanie Valcaire is going to
lose the title.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
To Either Jordan Grace or Jada parker can I pick
one?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I am going to pick.
I know this is gonna mess me up, but I'm picking jada park.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's what I was going to pick, but I'll probably
pick my second choice, so youcan be a little different this
time around.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Dang, you're going to pick.
How do you?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
keep doing that.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I'll finish up while you'rehard winning, ms Parker.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Because I just think she's been the most dominant,
the most confident Her videopackages recently.
Like she has motivation intothis and she's the most
confident by far and I just seeher holding the title for a long
not a long time but like I justsee her holding the title very
well and, yeah, I just think sheis the best built for the title
(25:35):
.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, because I, meania and stephanie can move to
the main roster on monday yeahI mean, they're that good, they
can easily go to the main roster.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Oh, and also side thing for this.
I think stephanie valcaire andjulia um cross each other out
because they're just gonna fightthe whole time mm-hmm, and then
joy bracing, and jay didn't dothe same thing yeah they've been
fighting that stage.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's been on site with them since they crossed
paths With each other the firsttime.
But yeah, I mean, like I said,stephanie and Julia could
literally go to the main rosteron Monday and nobody would
question it, even though theywouldn't have been there for
Less than a year.
I mean, nobody would questionit at all.
Kevin Owens was in NXT For lessthan a year.
Mania roster beat John CenaWait he beat John Cena?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yes, oh, I thought he just attacked John Cena.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
He did attack him in the main roster and he beat him.
But I'm just saying he can doone of those numbers where he
can be on the main roster onMonday easily and be in a feud
and then have a match at was itno Mercy?
The next?
A match at?
Uh, was it no mercy?
The next?
What's next?
No, backlash, backlash,backlash.
That's what that verse made.
Yeah, but they can either havea match at that.
That's how good they are.
(26:45):
But who do I want rio picking?
uh, yeah, yeah, I'm picking, uhas much as I mean I want jada
parker to win.
I'm not gonna even hold you.
I want jada park Parker to win.
Like I said, she's been.
Her promos have been good.
Her in-ring ability has beenbetter.
You can tell she's been workingbehind the scenes, getting
better at everything.
(27:06):
Attitude has always been there.
Affleck being a soccer player,got the Affleck Jordan Grace the
juggernaut.
We call her little power pump.
What's her name?
I think it's something likethat when she was with Big Power
(27:27):
Pump.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Julia Julia and Stephanie Viqueir.
Like I said, this is a hard one, man, this is a real hard one.
Any of them can win, but, likeI said, I wanted Jada Parker to
win.
I'm going to go different, justto be a little different on
(27:50):
this one.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That's how I want to win.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But I'm going to do my second choice, which is I
don't want Stephanie.
That's how I want to win.
But I'm going to do my secondchoice, which is do I want
Stephanie or do I want JordanGrace?
I like Julia too, but JordanGrace just came up, yeah,
Because it's a favorite four-wayStephanie don't have to lose
(28:13):
the belts.
I'm gonna pick Jordan Grace.
I'm gonna pick Jordan Grace.
Jordan I come from 10A, used tobe a former 10A champion.
I'm gonna pick her and I'mgonna have her winning.
Holding the women division down, yeah, I mean, I got between
her and Jada Parker, but once Iwant Jada Parker to win, I think
(28:34):
Jordan Grace may pull it out atthe very end.
But yeah, I got Jordan Grace towin Women's Championship.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And for the last match on the card, the main
event, it's Oba Femi versusChickalyn versus Javon Evans for
the NXT Championship.
And this one I don't thinkwe're on the same page.
I don't know though.
Probably not, definitelyprobably not.
I mean, I know your number.
(29:07):
One thing is going to gostraight to he's too young, you
know.
He's not old enough.
That's the same thing, but youknow.
But like I'm picking YvonneEvans to pull it out with his
underdog story, and win, youmight be on the same page then.
And win the NXT Championship.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You might be on the same page then.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh, you wanted him to win too.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I didn't want him to win.
I'm finna.
Tell you why.
I didn't want him to win.
I'm finna tell you why I thinkhe's gonna win.
You know why you picked.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Joel Nevin Yep.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Okay, trig Williams When's he going to the main
roster?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Has to be soon.
I feel like he's gonna do ittomorrow.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
He's gonna be on the main roster Monday probably, or
Friday, friday.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Or they're going to do Some vignettes for him After
Sam Deliver, where he debutsLike Carmelo Hayes did.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oba Femi.
He could make Ross some moneytoo, literally both of them,
just like Julia and Stephanie.
Oba and Trick Can definitely goTo the main roster.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
People have been Wanting that for a while and by
having him go to the main roster, you open up slots for other
guys to step up and do what theygot to do.
You know, I mean, when you havetwo people leave, go to the
main roster.
You open up slots for otherpeople to step in.
That's why Javon Evans is thebest choice for that, because
he's not going to the mainroster right now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Even if I mean he could go, could easily go to the
main roster, but why?
He got plenty of time.
He's young, he has plenty oftime to develop plenty of time.
You don't need to go to themain roster right now.
He can easily go there andchallenge Randy Orton's record
for youngest world champion.
I think he's like 24, so he haslike 3 years left, or something
(30:50):
like that, but 4 years.
So 4 years left to challengeRandy that, but four years.
Actually he's 20.
So four years left thechallenge.
I think randy warden's record,I think so and I think um austin
theory was the youngest unitedstates yeah united states
champion.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So I think he was like also a money in the bank
yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So he has a chance to challenge all those records,
but he still has.
He still has two or three yearsleft to even get caught before
even you, even before he needsto.
So two or three more years nxtand go to the main roster.
He can easily do that, you know.
Develop more, yeah, get morepromos under his belt.
I mean his promos are good, buthe needs a little bit more
season on.
Like a little bit more uh youknow definition.
(31:29):
Like a little more um.
What do you call it?
Um?
Just a little more on.
You know definition.
I get no more um.
What do you call it?
Um?
Just put it more on.
You know, just remorn hispromos.
You know um.
But yeah, he's.
I mean he's a good wrestler.
He's a good wrestler.
I mean I mean for him to be asyoung as he is and then
wrestling as long as he is, it'dbe as good as he is already him
at 20 he didn't hit his prime.
He gets 25, 26, 25, 26,.
(31:54):
He's going to be probably upthere as far as best wrestlers
in the world.
He had another six more yearsbefore he even gets to his prime
.
He's not even done growing yet.
He can still get taller orbigger to get into his adult
body.
He's not even in his adult bodyyet.
Hold on to get into his adultbody.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
He's not even in his adult body, yet you know so.
So hold on Speaking of that.
That's why they called him achild on NXT, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean compared to Trick Williams, the older family
he is.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I can't call the thing older than Trick.
Both of their late 20s, almostlike maybe 30.
Their late 20s, for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I mean technically, I think by law 21 is an adult.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Well, 18 is an adult.
Technically, 18 is an adult andthe United States 18 is
technically.
But 21,.
You can pretty much do anythingyou know as far as legally-wise
.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
But I know Trickle Green's not going to win because
he has to go to the main roster.
He's been in the NCAA too long,so same logic with Obafemi long
oh.
But I don't know about they.
Can leave it, can?
They can easily have nxt for alittle bit longer and break him
up later yeah but john evans isthe the obvious choice to win,
(33:09):
is he?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
yeah, if you want to move over family and trick, we
have to the main yeah, but whatif they don't want people to
think they're doing it?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
That's the point, though.
Even if you don't, you got toget down to it.
Even if Opa Femi wins and goesto the main roster, he has to
relinquish his championship.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, what's the point of that when Javon Irving
is right?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
there I mean Asuka did it.
Asuka never lost to NXT yeah,she never lost so she fought.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Charlotte Flair, you said I don't?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
it was what it seems like, but yeah, she never lost.
So she fought Charlotte FlairWrestleMania.
That's her first loss ever itwas for WWE yeah so yeah, nxt
undefeated left, nxtrelinquished.
The belt went to the mainroster, ran through.
Everybody won a Royal Rumble.
Lost to Charlotte Flair atWrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I don't see why she lost I don't know, but anyways.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So Ova could do something similar where he could
still win, relinquish the belt,move to the main roster.
So I mean, that's what I got,so that's what I'm going with.
Yeah, I'm going to go withObafemi winning retaining, but
not surprised if Javon Evanswins.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Oh, you're going with Obafemi.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Obafemi winning yes.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
But I would not be surprised if Javon Evans won
Trick Williams.
No, Just because he's going tothe main roster.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Dang.
So Trick Williams is out.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, no just because he's going to the main roster.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
He's guaranteed going to the main roster.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Guaranteed going to the main roster.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
After this guaranteed After this.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
He's going to the main roster.
Either Monday or Friday.
Yeah, he may not, or they maydo like he did with Ray
Fingerson do some vignettes.
Yeah, I mean who's that guy?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
they've been advertising on Friday Night
Smackdown Aleister Black andit's pretty much Aleister Black,
but they could do some Well.
I mean, it's not like it's thedifference between calling
someone up and like a debut andhe's going to debut probably on
Smackdown tonight beforeWrestleMania.
And Rusev too.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
He also got re-signed , but he's not back yet.
He's going to come back lateron.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, after WrestleMania probably.
But yeah, but yeah, I think JoeWilliams also gets called up.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So he doesn't have a chance to win.
I mean, he's not going to sayhe doesn't have a chance, like
he's not a good wrestler, butjust the fact.
That'm not going to say hedoesn't have a chance, like he's
not a good wrestler, but justthe fact that he's going to get
called up and Oba between Obaand Javon Evans.
Javon Evans actually probablywill win it, but I think Oba's
going to win it, kind of pulllike an Oscar.
If he does win it, go to themain roster, lucasville.
Boom, there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
But yeah, is that it, that's it for me, man.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Alright, it's for me personally.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I'm a win?
You think so yep we'resomething pretty close to like
the last couple, last ones.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I think we're different on three yeah, on
three and we're like barelydifferent.
Yeah, but yep this seems likeit's going to be a pretty good
card, though oh yeah, definitely, I mean, since there was always
, but yep, this seems like it'sgonna be a pretty good card
though.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, since there was always,even it was Takeover, it's
always been pretty good.
I mean Sean Mock has donepretty good Trilogy Before Him.
They've all been pretty good onNXT cards, especially Yep
Storylines always been good andall that, but anything else.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Good Yep, All right so, with that being said, but
anything else, no, I don't think, I don't think so.
Good, all right.
So with that being said, I'mBen, I'm Bash.
This has been an episode of TagTeam Talk.
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