November 30, 2024 • 35 mins
What if the wrestling world could be turned on its head by unexpected victories and shocking alliances? On this episode of the Ben & Bash Podcast, we lace up our boots and venture into the exciting chaos of WWE Survivor Series: War Games. We kick things off by spotlighting the presence of the women's War Games history before diving into predictions for the men's matches, including the triple threat showdown between Bron Breakker, Sheamus, and Ludwig Kaiser. Bash and I debate the outcomes, we ponder how Kaiser's potential triumph could ripple through the WWE universe and perhaps even earn him a shot at the world title.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
welcome to the benny bash podcast.
Tag team talk I'm ben I'm bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the benny
bash podcast tag team talk allright, here we are for another
one.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We are going to be giving our predictions for
survivor series, war games.
You know war games is a prettybig match.
You got the men's and women'sthis year.
What are they doing?
Three years in a row, fouryears in a row, war games match.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Are you talking about WWE or NXT?
No, for women.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Women's war games.
It's like three or four timesin a row, but I think Bayley's
the only one that's been in allof them.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
She's been in all of them, dam yeah but I think
bailey's the only one that'sbeen in all of them.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well after, yeah she's been all of them now
because remember her firstdamage control yeah, she was in
all of them.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Was that last year's?
Or yeah, she's been in all ofthem?
Okay, because this was hasn'treal too I don't know, maybe
yeah, because she was withbailey.
If she was with damage control,yeah, so yeah, but anyways, uh.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So yeah, we're gonna be giving our predictions on
tomorrow's series.
What we think is going tohappen, any surprises, returns,
anything like that.
So let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
For the first match, it's Braun Breaker versus
Sheamus versus Luka Kaiser, andfor this one, I feel like it's
pretty easily cut.
I feel like it's pretty easilycut, I think Braun.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Breaker's going to come in here, have a good
showing and walk out champion.
That's it.
Yep Straight to it.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, I don't think there's.
I don't think Like YuffieKaiser's trying to cement
himself as a single superstar,but I just don't think right
away he should be handed it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, he's not handed it until he's been wrestling
longer than Brian Breaker has.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, but I'm saying as soon as he starts building up
as a.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Brian Breaker came straight in and was shooting for
the championship off bat.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, but Lufa Kaiser's not going to win.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, I'm going to disagree with you.
I'm going to go with Kaiser.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Really yes, I'm going to go with him.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Is that who you want to win or you think it's going
to win?
That's who I think is going towin?
Okay, that's who I think isgoing to win.
I mean, honestly, I do a littlebit of Kaiser winning.
But yeah, I got a little bit ofKaiser winning this match.
(02:27):
I mean, like I said, he's beenwrestling a while.
I mean he's finally getting anopportunity to show what he can
do besides going through asidekick, you know, going to go
out on his own and make his ownway, and that's what he's been
doing.
So now he's fusing with Braun,breaker and Sheamus and you.
You know a triple threat match.
Braun doesn't have to getpinned to lose.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, and it's no disqualification too.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Exactly so Sheamus can lose, sheamus can get pinned
and Louie can win, or viceversa Sheamus can pin Louie and
either way it does I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Braun.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Breaker doesn't have to get pinned to submit to lose
a match in a triple threat match.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Another thing I just think like two losses, like two
major losses back-to-back on.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
For who?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Bron Breaker.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
What two losses he got.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Not back-to-back, but like two losses that he lost
the IntercontinentalChampionship.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, half is all done.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Charlotte Flair's won like what 12 championships
already Just saying you know,bron Breaker and Charlotte Flair
are two different people.
I know, but I'm just saying youcan lose a belt and keep
regaining it.
It's like saying John Cenalosing.
Yeah, but they're not on thesame level.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But I know, but I'm saying John Cena's been
wrestling for 20 years and hehas 16 belts.
Charlotte Flair's beenwrestling for 10 and has almost
16.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So I'm just saying you can lose and regain a
championship game, championshipeasy.
It's not a big Not like it wasback in the day when somebody
had the belt for two or threeyears.
Now you can have the belt for amonth and lose it.
Look at how long Jay had thebelt for before he lost it.
Yeah, and then he didn't get itback.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
But yeah, is that all you wanted to say for that?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So yeah, I got Louis Kizer for that Aaron Connelly
championship match.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And for another match on the card is Gunther versus
Damian Priest for the WorldHeavyweight Championship.
And for this one, I mean, do Iwant Damian to win?
Sure, maybe I don't really care, but I think Gunther's going to
win.
Now, what are we going to sayabout?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Lufa Kaiser winning.
Is that all you got?
Yeah, is it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I feel like all these matches are pretty easily cut
to who's going to win, at leastfor me, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So picture this, that's what I'm thinking.
Monday Night Raw comes up,gunther's music hits World
Championship.
Lufa comes up title and itcomes up.
Gunther's music hits WorldChampionship.
Lugwit comes up title and itcomes to a championship
Dominance, dominance and thatgives Lugwit the respect of
Gunther because he won a belt.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, Not only a belt the belt that Gunther had.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Mm Mm Makes sense.
It gets him to build that.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Gunther had.
Hmm.
Hmm, makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It gets him the belt that Gunther had for a long time
.
So now Gunther respects LukeKizer for winning the belt.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
But you know what?
And the IntercontinentalChampionship is always a like a
stepping stone for the WorldHeavyweight Championship, so
that could lead to somethingelse.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Exactly, and Braun can easily go into the main
event of whatever belt he wantsto go to.
Oh yeah definitely, so I meanplus like the World Heavyweight
Championship.
Exactly so he can feed with himnext, or Sheamus, or whoever.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know, I think this is the only belt that
Sheamus, who, back to the otherone Hadn't won.
He's not going to win anyways,but he hasn't won to be a Grand
Slam champion.
But back to Gunther and Damien.
I want Damien to win, but Ijust don't see him beating
(05:57):
Gunther.
Gunther's probably top fivewrestlers in the world right now
Easily Top five in the world ofany wrestling organization, and
so you just don't beat a guylike that.
You're gonna have, in order fordamien priest to beat gunther,
he's gonna have to beat him.
I mean, damien priest is a goodwrestler too let me be wrong
but he's gonna have to really,really beat gunther in order to
(06:20):
to win, and I just don't see himbe able to do that like I don't
.
I don't see him able to beatGunther in an actual wrestling
match.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Like, yeah, like if it was street fight 100,000%
going to Damien Priest If it wasstreet fight.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
some kind of stipulations, yes.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Any type of stipulation?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
really, I think it's going to Damien Priest unless
it's a, unless it's a purewrestling match, I don't think
damian priest can uh can begoing through yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I a thousand percent agree with that.
So next is la night versusshinsuke nakamura for the united
states championship, and I saidI earlier that all of these
were pretty like clear cut like,and this one kind of is too,
but I just really want to seeShinsuke win a title.
That's not like tag team oranything like that.
(07:07):
So, yeah, I have Shinsuke, Iwant him to win.
I think LA Knight's going towin, but I'm just going to go
with Shinsuke because he's hadthis new dominant character, a
new theme song, new likeentrance, what do you call it?
What do you call it?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
What do you call it?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Theme music Entrance theme music.
Oh, titan Tron, he's like a newTitan Tron thing and he just
has this level of Okay, I'mgoing to say aura.
He has this level of aura, thisnew aura that he has.
And so, yeah, this new ShinsukeNakamura, I think it was
different than when he foughtCody and it was different than
(07:50):
when he fought Seth Rollins andI think he's going to walk out
champion.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean as much as I like LA Knight, I just
Shinsuke needs a win here.
I mean LA Knight can use a win,but he doesn't need a win.
So I think Shinsuke needs a winhere.
I mean LA Knight can use a win,but he doesn't need a win.
So I think Shinsuke needs towin this.
I mean he's been gone for howlong and he just came back
feuding with LA Knight for achampionship.
I mean I just don't see why hewould come back now to just lose
(08:19):
on his first match back afterchanging everything about him,
his whole persona, like I said,the Titan Tron video.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Took me a second match for that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, I mean, you know what I'm saying, yeah, but
still, I mean I just don't seeShinsuke losing the match to LA
Knight in this one.
So I'm gonna go with the newShinsuke Nakamura.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, so it's the women's Surviv, survivor series
match and it's a team oh yeah,war games sorry, they don't do
the matches my bad.
I grew up doing it.
I grew up watching those.
Okay, for the next one is thewomen's survivor series war
games match and it's rhea Ripley, naomi Bianca Belair, io Sky
(09:07):
and Bayley versus Liv Morgan,nia Jax, raquel Rodriguez,
tiffany Stratton and CandiceLeRae.
So for this one, I think TeamLiv is gonna win because I think
they they just have twochampions, miss money in the
(09:28):
bank and I know, miss money ofthe bench and two champions in
there isn't the best thing.
But I come on, you can't let.
You can't let your miss moneyin the bank and uh, a veteran,
and candace laray, uh, and yourtwo champ, your two champions,
and whatever Raquel Rodriguez.
But yeah, I just don't think.
(09:49):
I think that team is just toobig to lose at that type of
stage.
So I'm taking the heels in this.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Hmm, interesting, I'm going to completely discourage
you.
I'm going to go with the teamof Rhea Ripley, then, and Bayley
and EO Naomi Bianca, you know,I mean just think you gotta
think war games is a match ofendurance yeah right, the match
doesn't start until the lastperson enters the match, so,
more than likely, you'reprobably going to have EO or
(10:27):
Bayley start against probablyCandice LeRae.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Wait, who has the advantage?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, the rear-reference team has the
advantage Because Bianca beatNia, Jax and Bayley helped out.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh, you're saying that you, I forgot.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm saying it's about who started the match, because
the person who starts the matchis going to be in the match the
longest.
Mm-hmm, the two people whostart the match are going to be
in the match the longest, so youwant to get your two.
Like you're not going to putNia Jax at the beginning of the
match?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
She Bianca, belair Bianca.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Belair, may she, may, she may want to start.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I think who's going to start the team on the heels?
Maybe Candice LeRae or TiffanyStratner.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I'm going to say Candice LeRae, because she's the
one.
Nobody really Like.
The rest of them on that teamLiv Morgan, raquel, nia, jax,
tiffany they're all in the mainevent picture right now.
Kansa Rae just all of a suddencame up into that picture.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I mean, she deserved to be in the picture for three
years.
That's what.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I'm saying Well, she deserved to be a long way on
that.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I meant like three years in the um.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, she's been wrestling for well over a decade
and now fans are finallygetting to see the kind of
wrestler she is.
So I think she's gonna startoff, just so people can see what
she can actually do in a match.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Um, like I said, it's gonna be an advantage, though,
because whoever starts theRhea's team comes in.
So I got Rhea Ripley, naomi Io,bayley, bianca, winning this
match, just because they havethe most firepower.
(12:07):
I mean, think about it, they'veall been world champions, every
single one of them.
You talk about world champions.
On the other side, with Nia Jaxand Lillian Morgan, every
single person on Rhea Ripley'steam has been a world champion.
Yeah, you talk about worldchampions.
On the other side, with Nia Jaxand Lillian Morgan, every
single person on Rhea Ripley'steam has been a world champion.
Rhea Ripley's been a champion,bianca's been a champion,
naomi's been a champion has she.
Yes, she won Orlando.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
WrestleMania.
I was there.
Oh, she won OrlandoWrestleMania.
I mean, you wouldn't know soyeah.
Bianca's been a champion,naomi's been a champion, io's
been a champion, bayley's been achampion.
If Jade Cargill didn't getsubbed out, that would be one
person who hasn't Exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But still, she's just that good though, but then it's
the same.
But the issue I might have iscan Bayley and Io coexist?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
What about Bianca and Io?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's what I'm saying but they all have
problems with each other.
I mean, bianca, you know shefought Bayley and EO off for a
year or so, you know with thewhole damage control thing.
Then Bayley and EO had a littlefeud.
I mean Bayley beat EO.
So I mean you know EO beatBayley down.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Then her and the rest of the damage control beat
Bayley down, turned on her.
Yeah, I'm surprised the rest ofthe damage control doesn't have
a problem with Bayley and EObeing in the same room, but you
don't know that, though they may.
They haven't been on.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That's what I'm saying.
They haven't been on it.
They may have a problem.
They may have a problem with itlater, who knows?
But then you bring in Naomi, Imean, and then Are they going to
talk about it all, about whoattacked Jade, or are they going
to wait until later on tofigure it out?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I really think it's Bianca.
I'm going to just say that Ireally think it's Bianca or
Bailey you think so.
I think they're the main twosuspects in that case, why would
Bianca attack her?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I mean, I agree with you, Bianca why would you think
she would attack her ownteammate?
For Because if she attacks herown teammates she can't be tag
team champs anymore.
She doesn't get the belt.
So If her tag team partnercan't defend the belt, it's
because she's hurt.
Then you gotta relinquish thebelt.
Remember, Rhea Ruppe did thatwhen she had a shoulder injury.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, but I don't know, Maybe she just wants that
type of shine and if she wantsthat type of shine, she can't be
tag team champions.
If she wants that type of shine, she can't be tag team
champions.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, if she wants that single shine.
I mean I still I told youbefore on the previous one that
Bianca and Jade are going tofeud.
There's no way you're going tohave them tag teaming for years.
There's no way they're going toeventually implode.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And that's going to be a WrestleMania match.
Maybe that's what they'rewaiting on.
Maybe maybe you know jade beingout right now, uh, being
injured, maybe cover.
Coming back at roy rumble, it'sa surprise entrance at roy
rumble, you know.
And then figuring out thatbianca attacked her, like yeah,
say for instance, let's just,I'll just do some predictions
(14:49):
real quick.
Let's say bianca did attack her, right, yeah, roy rumble hits
bianca's in the ring withwhoever else is in the ring with
her jade music hits bianca's inthe ring with whoever else is
in the ring with her Jade musichits Bianca's looking like oh no
, you know kind of craziness.
Yeah, and everybody's trying tofigure out why Bianca's looking
like that, why she lookingsurprised.
Wait but if they already foundout, that.
(15:10):
Bianca did, but they may notfind out that, find out what
happens, and then they just letit go on a back burner.
For me, I mean, royal Rome wasonly a month away.
Well, a little over a monthaway, it's in January.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So it's only a month and a half away roughly.
So yeah, let's say that happens.
Jade gets in the ring, shethrows Bianca out.
It makes Bianca.
Nobody knows why she does that,for and they don't make her
look like the Hugh.
No, then on Monday Night, rawcomes out or SmackDown.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I have no idea actually.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I'm not sure what they are right now.
Smackdown, smackdown, smackdown, because the street problems on
SmackDown.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah.
So then on SmackDown, jadecomes out and explains what
happens.
Some video pops up or whateverabout Bianca attacking her.
That leads the feud goingtoward WrestleMania, with them
two Just having a regular match.
That kind of match like thatdoesn't need a title on.
That's just two people used tobe friends, not anymore.
(16:09):
Now they're feuding with eachother Boom Match.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
That's how a lot of storylines set up.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's all you got to do.
I'm going to stick with myoriginal pick anyways, even
before Bayley was added, withthe Rhea Ripley scene, bianca,
naomi, io, sky and Bayley Ithink they're going to beat them
because I just don't see.
I mean Nia Jax, yeah, she'sgood, tiffany's good, raquel's
(16:35):
good, lyft's good, tiffany'sgood, raquel's good, liv's good.
But Tiffany does have thatMoney in the Bank briefcase too,
so she can cash in.
And you gotta think she has theMoney in the Bank briefcase and
both of her partners arechampions.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
She can easily tag in .
Well, she can easily cash inafter the match.
After or during the match.
But then the problem is youcan't really do it during the
match, because then it becomes aeight-woman championship match.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Eight-woman, what do you mean Because?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
if she cashes it in, then the War Games match becomes
a world championship match.
Right, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh, that's actually.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh, I actually didn't think about that, so you really
can't cash in during the match,because just like remember when
Seth Rollins cashed in on Brock, on Brock Lesnar and Roman
Reigns and became champion ofthat match how Damian Priest
almost did that and DamianDeidre almost did too, but I'm
just saying would that work?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So that doesn't really work, does it?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You can count.
Well, not for it, that's whatI'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
She can do it, and for that like if it was on the
opposite team.
Sure, I guess.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yes, that would take some, but even then, whoever
pins can win the belt, thoughAnybody can win the belt besides
her.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You know.
So maybe after the match, youknow, maybe if Tiffany and Nia
or Tiffany and Liv are last towin, or maybe Tiffany comes back
out after Liv or Nia takes thelast pinfall and then she cashes
in, you know, becomes a women'schampion, I don't know, but I
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think she's going to cash in onNia.
Jax, oh yeah, definitely that'sthe better feud right there,
because they've already beenfriends.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So would Nia be the good guy?
No, nia would be the heel,she'd be the good guy.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Nia be the heel.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
She'd be the heel.
Definitely People cheer forTiffany.
She's on Nia's team.
Wouldn't that be stabbing her?
No, listen, people as bad asTiffany is, she's a heel and
people cheer for her.
When her Nia Jax come out, theycheer for her and boo Nia Jax.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So if Tiffany backstab?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Nia Jax.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
So if Tiffany Stratton backstabbed Nia Jax.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Not even cash an inch , just backstabbed her in
general Cheer.
That's like an anti-hero.
Yes, that's kind of what she is.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
She's a heel, but she gets cheered.
This is how it works, you know,just while the Street Profits
couldn't turn heel that time,they tried to turn heel that
time and they still got cheeredbecause the fans like them.
Well, that really they in orderfor the Street Profits to to
officially turn heel.
(19:05):
They want to turn heel.
They got to attack most of theMachine Gun.
Yeah, that's what I was about tosay they have to attack them
Like down.
They kind of boo him left.
I mean, right, he punched him,but that's it, though that was
just out of frustration for notwinning the match.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, but do good guys, do that a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, but it's frustration, though.
It's understandable though.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I mean look at what Cody Rose did.
Cody Rose hit AJ Styles afterthe bill and he's still
considered a babyface.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, pretty much, but they don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't know, I'm just saying he did it and people
still consider him a babyface.
So I mean, it is what it is,you know.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
But you think that's a good match.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Uh, no, I think that's it Okay.
So with the men's war gamesmatch it's the OG Bloodline
consisting of roman ranks, jayuso, jimmy uso, sammy zane and
uh on their team, cm punk, andwith the teamu bloodline it
consists of solo tama, tanga,tanga loa, jacob fatu, and I'm
(20:12):
gonna count bronson reed as thein the Blue Bloodline, but I
know he's technically not fullya member, but for this one I
feel like it's pretty easy tosee who's gonna win.
I think the OG Bloodline and CMPunk are gonna win.
I feel like there would betrouble with Roman Reigns and CM
(20:39):
Punk.
They say one time I feel likethat is going to be a rivalry,
but for this one time only.
Like they say, I feel like it'sgoing to go to Roman Reigns and
his team.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Is it?
Yep, is it?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yep, nothing else.
Yep, I mean nope.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well, I guess we're going to disagree again no way
you're joking.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
How why?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
you figure out a person that's going to be in
that match too, who Paul Heyman.
You can't trust Paul Heyman,sebastian.
First off, he came out dressedlike Solo.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I told you that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I said it too, though he came out dressed like Solo,
first off, then on SmackDown.
Him and CM Punk and RomanReigns had that set down right.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And CM Punk handed that Paul Heyman over him a
favor, mm-hmm.
And then he said I was man thelast time he was Paul Heyman, cm
Punk's advocate, or whateveryou want to call it it's been a
while, it's been years, 2014?
It was before Brock Lesnar itwas it was Brock Lesnar, cm Punk
, then some other people, thenBrock Lesnar, again recently.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then oh yeah, cause when Brock Lesnar started his
career, yeah, yeah that's whatI'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So you think, what was the favorite that CM Punk
wants from Paul Heyman?
Remember Roman Reigns asked him.
What did Paul Heyman say?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
He said we'll have plenty of time to talk about
this after war games what's?
That mean.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That means that it's something, not that it's
something he doesn't want RomanReigns to know, about.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, it's something Roman Reigns doesn't want to
hear.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Exactly, and Paul Heyman knows that either good or
bad.
So why would he not turn onRoman Reigns at this point in
time?
The point Heyman's in isBecause Roman Reigns is becoming
a babyface right now, right.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Paul Heyman does his best work as a heel.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's debatable?
No, it's not debatable?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Not at all.
He does his best work as a heel.
Yeah, you ain't watched PaulHeyman as long as I have.
He does his best work as a heel, bar none Brock Lesnar.
He was a heel most of the time.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
CM Punk originally heels ECW.
Yeah, when he came over.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
He was.
Oh, yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So he does his best work as a heel because he can
just let go and he can talk badto the fans.
He can do everything.
He's one of the greatesttalkers on the mic in history of
wrestling.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
One of them.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, he's up there.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Who's better?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying it's debatablewho you want to ask.
Other people can say otherpeople, but I'm just best up
there.
Somebody put the Miz up there,somebody put the Rock up there,
somebody put Stone Cold up there, just because of the way the
fans just saying I'm not sayingthat's who I think.
I'm just saying debatable onwho you think is the greatest
talker Right.
It depends on what you like.
(23:35):
How do you like your people totalk, but anyway, paul Heyman's
up there.
He's on every list of the besttalkers in history of wrestling.
He's on that list.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
No matter what.
So I'm going to say thatsomething happens in the match
where they end up losing,Because it's not a, but it's not
an elimination match either.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
It's first pinfall wins After the war games
officially starts.
So it's not like you know Jimmyloses first, and then Sammy,
and then y'all blah, blah, blah.
No, it's whoever takes thefirst pinfall.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And that's even harder since there's two rings.
It would be much easier if itwas only one ring.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
It'd be a lot easier for somebody like CM Punk to
turn on Roman Reigns in thematch because it doesn't matter,
there's no rules anyways.
So if he was to turn the reinsduring the match because Paul
Heyman owes him a favor,remember, if you remember, too,
what did.
If you remember we were talkingabout this before I was
(24:33):
explaining to you why CM Punkwas coming back and helping out
Paul Heyman.
Remember when Paul Heyman wasin the ring with CM Punk in the
bloodline.
The solo bloodline.
And what did he say?
Take me with you.
That was the team move that'sexactly, but he's away from the
period, though.
Take me with you.
That's what he did he's notwith them anymore right, he took
(24:56):
them with him yeah, he tookthem with him, so.
I'm gonna say that CM Punk andPaul Heyman gets back together
and turns CM Punk a heel.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Why would CM Punk turn heel?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Because it gives him the opportunity to wrestle
people like Seth Rollins andRoman Reigns.
What fun is it when two bigfans wrestle each other?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
The hatred.
Yeah, it doesn't matter, but ifsomebody's being hated, Was
Kevin Owens and Sammy Was KevinOwens and Cody Rose fun the
first time at Basham Berlin.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
No, no, it wasn't Because Kevin Owens didn't pull
the trigger when he had to.
It was times where he couldhave hit Cody Rose's knee, and
he chose not to.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
He kicked him.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
No, but it doesn't matter.
It was times where he stoppeddoing stuff.
The Kevin Owens he got rightnow would have attacked his knee
.
He would have power-boned himonto the apron.
Even Cody Rhodes said thathimself.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Remember, even Cody Rhodes was saying he would have
been champion.
That's what I'm saying.
When you have too many fans,that's what I'm saying.
It doesn't work right Now.
The Kevin Owens now would havebeaten Cody Rhodes at Backlash,
would have beaten him easilyBacklash.
What was that back?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It was Bash in Berlin , bash in.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Berlin.
Sorry In Bash in Berlin thatKevin Owens would have destroyed
Cody Rose if he had been inKevin Owens right now.
The Kevin Owens didn't careabout his leg or any of that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
You see what I'm saying, but now in healthy now.
So now he ain't got nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
He don't have anything he can unless something
happens today.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, um, you know some our series where cody rose.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I mean he's not there , but you know he's there but
one question I feel like a lotof people are asking do you
think people will get thisfantasy character that everybody
wants?
They're calling cody lander, amixture, like cody rose as a
heel, so basically Homelander.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Not right now.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
But do you think we'll ever get that, or do you
think it's going to be one ofthose John Cena people?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
No, he's not going to be John Cena, because he's
already been heel before.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
He's not going to be that.
Technically the Doctor ofThuganomics.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, not how long ago.
That was 20 years ago.
That was when he first came out.
That was when he first debuted.
He could be a Cody Rhodes couldbe a good guy for another 20
years.
No, he can't.
He's not gonna be a good guyfor another 20 years.
He's already almost 40.
Or if not 40 already.
But anyways, I think CodyRhodes is gonna turn heel
eventually.
I don't know when, but wheneverthe fans turn on him because
(27:25):
the fans always turn it doesn'tmatter.
It does not matter how popularyou are, the fans will turn on
you eventually.
They cheered John Cena untilthey didn't.
They cheered Kurt Angle andthey started having you suck in
there.
They cheered Roman Reigns andthey started blowing him.
What is it?
They cheer on the Reigns andthey start blowing them?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
What is with the fans ?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's just how it works.
People like stuff until theydon't Fans love a person, until
they get stale and then they gettired of that person.
Then it's like, oh, we needsomebody else, we want somebody
else to be champion, especiallywhen somebody else comes out and
gets the momentum.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I feel like people will turn on Roxanne Perez.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Exactly, and if people are cheering for her.
When she first won that's whyshe turned heel she was like,
okay, cool, Y'all mad at me, I'mgoing to turn on y'all.
Then that's what happens.
It's all based on who the nextone up is.
So right now, Kevin Owens is aheel Cool.
Cody Rhodes is a champion.
There's not anybody right nowthat's going to make the.
(28:30):
There's not anybody right nowthat's wrestling on Raw as of
right now that's going to makethe fans turn on Cody Rhodes as
far as somebody going for thebelt.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah Well, smackdown, smackdown somebody going for
the belt.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah Well, smackdown, smackdown, sorry, smackdown.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So you have to get somebody who the fans are 100%
behind to go against Cody Rhodes.
Then he's going to startgetting booed.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Because that's how it always works.
Think about Roman Reigns.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Randy Orton.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, not Roman Reigns, randy Orton?
No, not Randy Orton.
He had to fight Kevin Owens toget his back.
He had to beat Kevin Owens upreal quick, but just like, for
instance, roman Reigns.
Look at Roman Reigns when hefirst won the belt from, was it
Bray Wyatt?
It was Bray Wyatt, and BraunStrowman.
When he won the belt from them.
Bray Washington lost that beltto begin with did they cheer?
(29:22):
When he first came back.
Yeah, when he first came back.
Well, it was, it was duringCOVID that was the most cheated
thing.
Yeah, but it was during COVIDera so we're not gonna talk
about it was during COVID era,so it wasn't even fans there,
but people were.
People were probably happyabout it.
Right, he was back.
He left because of the leukemiastuff came back.
Max championed again.
Right, he was champion.
He was boom, boom, babyface,babyface.
(29:44):
People started booing him.
Right, boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Right then he started the bloodline.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
They were with the Usos.
They were still getting cheereda little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Then they brought in Paul Heyman he, he debuted, he
re-debuted with Paul Heymanthat's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
He re-debuted with Paul Heyman.
That's what I'm saying.
When he re-debuted with PaulHeyman, that made that turn him
heel right there.
That turned him heel when theyshowed Roman Reigns sitting down
in that chair and they pannedover to see Paul Heyman sitting
here like this.
That turned him heel right.
Then Turned from Roman Reignsto good guy to Roman Reigns, to
tribal chief to Roman Reigns.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
How do you remember that crystal clear Because?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I remember, remember that crystal clear the first
time they had me.
That's what turns Roman Reigns'heel right there, because he
was starting to burn him,because he kept winning.
He kept beating everybody.
He was going against AJ Sev,kevin Sammy, everybody, and he
was beating them Because thebloodline was helping him, but
he was still beating them.
(30:42):
See what I'm saying.
But yeah, that's what I thinkis going to happen.
I think CM Punk is going toturn on Roman.
Give him a taste of his ownmedicine.
I don't think Roman's going totake the pin.
Well, I mean, in order for theway it should work, CM Punk
turns on Roman.
Solo pins Roman again.
Cm Punk turns on Roman, Solopins Roman again.
(31:05):
That gives Solo theunchallenged title of Tribal
Chief.
If he pins, the Roman Reignstwice.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Most became Roman Reigns once.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Couldn't he already have that Tribal Chief status
when he put in Roman Reigns thefirst?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
time, but this is going to cement it though,
though, if he does this time.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But CM Punk's also there, and that's the wild card.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But we don't know what CM Punk's going to do.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And that could make Tolo win.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Exactly, but we don't know what that's going to do.
I don't know who's going tostart the match for the
bloodline.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Oh, that's so easy, you know, I don't know who's
going to start the match for thebloodline.
Oh, that's so easy, you know,sammy Zane.
No, jey Uso, you know he'sstarting that.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You're talking about the other bloodline, though.
Who's going to start the matchfor?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
them.
Oh, you know, tom Latonga'sgoing to start that.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I mean okay, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay, I'm going to say, that makes sense unless
it's Jacob, unless they want toget their first, no, they're not
going to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Or maybe Bronson Reed , they'll have him come in
because they have the advantage.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Or maybe Bronson Reed .
They have the advantage.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So they'll bring Jacob in later, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Tom and Tonga is definitely going to start, I
think.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Either him or Tonga, or Tonga Lowa.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, I think Jacob may be the last one to come in.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Solo, solo's going to come in last no.
Well, he might you always havea tribal chief in last.
Yeah, where's Bronson Reedgoing to come in then?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I don't know, but they're going to find out in a
week.
We'll have to see, though, butI mean, I kind of want Roman
Reigns and Jimmy and Solo.
No, I'm sorry, sammy and SamPunk will win, but for the
storyline purposes I'm justthinking that the bloodline with
Solo and Tama and Jacob andBronson Reed and all them guys
are going to win.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I said it's Roman, didn't I?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, you said Roman Reigns.
I want Roman Reigns to win, butdo I want to see Roman Reigns
at Tribal TV again?
That's the problem again.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Hey, I'll put you something better.
Who says CM Punk's going to goturn after the match?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
He could.
What I'm saying is, do I wantto see Roman Reigns as a trial
chief again?
No, but question, question.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
If Roman does turn more baby face kind of, do you
think Sammy, jey, jimmy are allgoing to be behind him?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I mean Jay's still on Raw.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Isn't Sammy on Raw too?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Isn't Jimmy on Raw too Jimmy's on SmackDown.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So he'll be with Roman, if you're saying CM
Punk's on.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Until a new draft comes in and they all join
together again.
But until then, jay'stechnically on Raw, sammy's
technically on Raw, sammy'stechnically on Raw.
Cm Punk is SmackDown.
No, is CM Punk on Raw?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Since Drew McIntyre.
He's technically on Raw.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Okay, he's on Raw.
If you actually think about it,since Drew McIntyre, that whole
rivalry- Well, if he's on Raw,that makes more sense when he
takes Paul Heyman with him yeah,yeah, so he takes him away from
somebody, all together, butanyways.
So yeah, I mean, but yeah,that's just my, my pick for that
one, anything else with that?
No any, any Kevin Owenstomfoolery going on in this
(34:20):
match.
No, just in the pay-per-view andin the war games in general,
because you know they're goingto show behind the scenes stuff,
cody's not even on thepay-per-view, exactly.
But he's going to be there.
He's going to be there behindthe scenes or talking or
something.
He's going to be there.
You think Kevin Owens tries toattack him.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Oh, like a thousand If Cody does just swivel his way
somewhere in this pay-per-view.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I mean, I don't remember last time.
I don't remember last time Ididn't see Cody on a
pay-per-view or a premium liveevent.
That's how he was on one.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
He's been on one bad no no, he was on bad no, never
mind, I'm not going to try tothink about it.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I haven't.
I don't remember since he wonthe title.
He's been on every single oneof them.
I know I can't remember when hewasn't on back dang it.
He's on too many people'sreviews, that's what I'm saying
so to say he's not going to beon this one at all.
He has to be somewhere, maybebehind the scenes.
A little interview, something,maybe a oh yeah interview, maybe
(35:20):
a pre-show attack from KevinOwens yeah or maybe a post-show
attack from Kareem, I don't know.
I mean, I just don't see CodyRhodes not showing his face
sometime during this show andKevin Owens not being there
either, in case Cody Rhodes isthere.
But that's just me, but I'mjust ready to see what happens.
So, yeah, anything else withthat?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
No, I think that's it .
Speaker 2 (35:43):
All righty, this is our prediction show for Survivor
Series War Games.
I'm Ben.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I'm Beth.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This has been another episode of Tag Team Talk.
welcome to the benny bash podcast.
Tag team talk I'm ben I'm bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the benny
bash podcast tag team talk allright, here we are for another
one.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We are going to be giving our predictions for
survivor series, war games.
You know war games is a prettybig match.
You got the men's and women'sthis year.
What are they doing?
Three years in a row, fouryears in a row, war games match.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Are you talking about WWE or NXT?
No, for women.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Women's war games.
It's like three or four timesin a row, but I think Bayley's
the only one that's been in allof them.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
She's been in all of them, dam yeah but I think
bailey's the only one that'sbeen in all of them.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well after, yeah she's been all of them now
because remember her firstdamage control yeah, she was in
all of them.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Was that last year's?
Or yeah, she's been in all ofthem?
Okay, because this was hasn'treal too I don't know, maybe
yeah, because she was withbailey.
If she was with damage control,yeah, so yeah, but anyways, uh.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So yeah, we're gonna be giving our predictions on
tomorrow's series.
What we think is going tohappen, any surprises, returns,
anything like that.
So let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
For the first match, it's Braun Breaker versus
Sheamus versus Luka Kaiser, andfor this one, I feel like it's
pretty easily cut.
I feel like it's pretty easilycut, I think Braun.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Breaker's going to come in here, have a good
showing and walk out champion.
That's it.
Yep Straight to it.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, I don't think there's.
I don't think Like YuffieKaiser's trying to cement
himself as a single superstar,but I just don't think right
away he should be handed it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, he's not handed it until he's been wrestling
longer than Brian Breaker has.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, but I'm saying as soon as he starts building up
as a.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Brian Breaker came straight in and was shooting for
the championship off bat.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, but Lufa Kaiser's not going to win.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay, I'm going to disagree with you.
I'm going to go with Kaiser.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Really yes, I'm going to go with him.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Is that who you want to win or you think it's going
to win?
That's who I think is going towin?
Okay, that's who I think isgoing to win.
I mean, honestly, I do a littlebit of Kaiser winning.
But yeah, I got a little bit ofKaiser winning this match.
(02:27):
I mean, like I said, he's beenwrestling a while.
I mean he's finally getting anopportunity to show what he can
do besides going through asidekick, you know, going to go
out on his own and make his ownway, and that's what he's been
doing.
So now he's fusing with Braun,breaker and Sheamus and you.
You know a triple threat match.
Braun doesn't have to getpinned to lose.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, and it's no disqualification too.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Exactly so Sheamus can lose, sheamus can get pinned
and Louie can win, or viceversa Sheamus can pin Louie and
either way it does I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Braun.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Breaker doesn't have to get pinned to submit to lose
a match in a triple threat match.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Another thing I just think like two losses, like two
major losses back-to-back on.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
For who?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Bron Breaker.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
What two losses he got.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Not back-to-back, but like two losses that he lost
the IntercontinentalChampionship.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, half is all done.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Charlotte Flair's won like what 12 championships
already Just saying you know,bron Breaker and Charlotte Flair
are two different people.
I know, but I'm just saying youcan lose a belt and keep
regaining it.
It's like saying John Cenalosing.
Yeah, but they're not on thesame level.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But I know, but I'm saying John Cena's been
wrestling for 20 years and hehas 16 belts.
Charlotte Flair's beenwrestling for 10 and has almost
16.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So I'm just saying you can lose and regain a
championship game, championshipeasy.
It's not a big Not like it wasback in the day when somebody
had the belt for two or threeyears.
Now you can have the belt for amonth and lose it.
Look at how long Jay had thebelt for before he lost it.
Yeah, and then he didn't get itback.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
But yeah, is that all you wanted to say for that?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
So yeah, I got Louis Kizer for that Aaron Connelly
championship match.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And for another match on the card is Gunther versus
Damian Priest for the WorldHeavyweight Championship.
And for this one, I mean, do Iwant Damian to win?
Sure, maybe I don't really care, but I think Gunther's going to
win.
Now, what are we going to sayabout?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Lufa Kaiser winning.
Is that all you got?
Yeah, is it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I feel like all these matches are pretty easily cut
to who's going to win, at leastfor me, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So picture this, that's what I'm thinking.
Monday Night Raw comes up,gunther's music hits World
Championship.
Lufa comes up title and itcomes up.
Gunther's music hits WorldChampionship.
Lugwit comes up title and itcomes to a championship
Dominance, dominance and thatgives Lugwit the respect of
Gunther because he won a belt.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, Not only a belt the belt that Gunther had.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Mm Mm Makes sense.
It gets him to build that.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Gunther had.
Hmm.
Hmm, makes sense.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It gets him the belt that Gunther had for a long time
.
So now Gunther respects LukeKizer for winning the belt.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
But you know what?
And the IntercontinentalChampionship is always a like a
stepping stone for the WorldHeavyweight Championship, so
that could lead to somethingelse.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Exactly, and Braun can easily go into the main
event of whatever belt he wantsto go to.
Oh yeah definitely, so I meanplus like the World Heavyweight
Championship.
Exactly so he can feed with himnext, or Sheamus, or whoever.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know, I think this is the only belt that
Sheamus, who, back to the otherone Hadn't won.
He's not going to win anyways,but he hasn't won to be a Grand
Slam champion.
But back to Gunther and Damien.
I want Damien to win, but Ijust don't see him beating
(05:57):
Gunther.
Gunther's probably top fivewrestlers in the world right now
Easily Top five in the world ofany wrestling organization, and
so you just don't beat a guylike that.
You're gonna have, in order fordamien priest to beat gunther,
he's gonna have to beat him.
I mean, damien priest is a goodwrestler too let me be wrong
but he's gonna have to really,really beat gunther in order to
(06:20):
to win, and I just don't see himbe able to do that like I don't
.
I don't see him able to beatGunther in an actual wrestling
match.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Like, yeah, like if it was street fight 100,000%
going to Damien Priest If it wasstreet fight.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
some kind of stipulations, yes.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Any type of stipulation?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
really, I think it's going to Damien Priest unless
it's a, unless it's a purewrestling match, I don't think
damian priest can uh can begoing through yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I a thousand percent agree with that.
So next is la night versusshinsuke nakamura for the united
states championship, and I saidI earlier that all of these
were pretty like clear cut like,and this one kind of is too,
but I just really want to seeShinsuke win a title.
That's not like tag team oranything like that.
(07:07):
So, yeah, I have Shinsuke, Iwant him to win.
I think LA Knight's going towin, but I'm just going to go
with Shinsuke because he's hadthis new dominant character, a
new theme song, new likeentrance, what do you call it?
What do you call it?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
What do you call it?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Theme music Entrance theme music.
Oh, titan Tron, he's like a newTitan Tron thing and he just
has this level of Okay, I'mgoing to say aura.
He has this level of aura, thisnew aura that he has.
And so, yeah, this new ShinsukeNakamura, I think it was
different than when he foughtCody and it was different than
(07:50):
when he fought Seth Rollins andI think he's going to walk out
champion.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean as much as I like LA Knight, I just
Shinsuke needs a win here.
I mean LA Knight can use a win,but he doesn't need a win.
So I think Shinsuke needs a winhere.
I mean LA Knight can use a win,but he doesn't need a win.
So I think Shinsuke needs towin this.
I mean he's been gone for howlong and he just came back
feuding with LA Knight for achampionship.
I mean I just don't see why hewould come back now to just lose
(08:19):
on his first match back afterchanging everything about him,
his whole persona, like I said,the Titan Tron video.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Took me a second match for that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, I mean, you know what I'm saying, yeah, but
still, I mean I just don't seeShinsuke losing the match to LA
Knight in this one.
So I'm gonna go with the newShinsuke Nakamura.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, so it's the women's Surviv, survivor series
match and it's a team oh yeah,war games sorry, they don't do
the matches my bad.
I grew up doing it.
I grew up watching those.
Okay, for the next one is thewomen's survivor series war
games match and it's rhea Ripley, naomi Bianca Belair, io Sky
(09:07):
and Bayley versus Liv Morgan,nia Jax, raquel Rodriguez,
tiffany Stratton and CandiceLeRae.
So for this one, I think TeamLiv is gonna win because I think
they they just have twochampions, miss money in the
(09:28):
bank and I know, miss money ofthe bench and two champions in
there isn't the best thing.
But I come on, you can't let.
You can't let your miss moneyin the bank and uh, a veteran,
and candace laray, uh, and yourtwo champ, your two champions,
and whatever Raquel Rodriguez.
But yeah, I just don't think.
(09:49):
I think that team is just toobig to lose at that type of
stage.
So I'm taking the heels in this.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Hmm, interesting, I'm going to completely discourage
you.
I'm going to go with the teamof Rhea Ripley, then, and Bayley
and EO Naomi Bianca, you know,I mean just think you gotta
think war games is a match ofendurance yeah right, the match
doesn't start until the lastperson enters the match, so,
more than likely, you'reprobably going to have EO or
(10:27):
Bayley start against probablyCandice LeRae.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Wait, who has the advantage?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, the rear-reference team has the
advantage Because Bianca beatNia, Jax and Bayley helped out.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh, you're saying that you, I forgot.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm saying it's about who started the match, because
the person who starts the matchis going to be in the match the
longest.
Mm-hmm, the two people whostart the match are going to be
in the match the longest, so youwant to get your two.
Like you're not going to putNia Jax at the beginning of the
match?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
She Bianca, belair Bianca.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Belair, may she, may, she may want to start.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I think who's going to start the team on the heels?
Maybe Candice LeRae or TiffanyStratner.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I'm going to say Candice LeRae, because she's the
one.
Nobody really Like.
The rest of them on that teamLiv Morgan, raquel, nia, jax,
tiffany they're all in the mainevent picture right now.
Kansa Rae just all of a suddencame up into that picture.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I mean, she deserved to be in the picture for three
years.
That's what.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I'm saying Well, she deserved to be a long way on
that.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I meant like three years in the um.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, she's been wrestling for well over a decade
and now fans are finallygetting to see the kind of
wrestler she is.
So I think she's gonna startoff, just so people can see what
she can actually do in a match.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Um, like I said, it's gonna be an advantage, though,
because whoever starts theRhea's team comes in.
So I got Rhea Ripley, naomi Io,bayley, bianca, winning this
match, just because they havethe most firepower.
(12:07):
I mean, think about it, they'veall been world champions, every
single one of them.
You talk about world champions.
On the other side, with Nia Jaxand Lillian Morgan, every
single person on Rhea Ripley'steam has been a world champion.
Yeah, you talk about worldchampions.
On the other side, with Nia Jaxand Lillian Morgan, every
single person on Rhea Ripley'steam has been a world champion.
Rhea Ripley's been a champion,bianca's been a champion,
naomi's been a champion has she.
Yes, she won Orlando.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
WrestleMania.
I was there.
Oh, she won OrlandoWrestleMania.
I mean, you wouldn't know soyeah.
Bianca's been a champion,naomi's been a champion, io's
been a champion, bayley's been achampion.
If Jade Cargill didn't getsubbed out, that would be one
person who hasn't Exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But still, she's just that good though, but then it's
the same.
But the issue I might have iscan Bayley and Io coexist?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
What about Bianca and Io?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's what I'm saying but they all have
problems with each other.
I mean, bianca, you know shefought Bayley and EO off for a
year or so, you know with thewhole damage control thing.
Then Bayley and EO had a littlefeud.
I mean Bayley beat EO.
So I mean you know EO beatBayley down.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Then her and the rest of the damage control beat
Bayley down, turned on her.
Yeah, I'm surprised the rest ofthe damage control doesn't have
a problem with Bayley and EObeing in the same room, but you
don't know that, though they may.
They haven't been on.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That's what I'm saying.
They haven't been on it.
They may have a problem.
They may have a problem with itlater, who knows?
But then you bring in Naomi, Imean, and then Are they going to
talk about it all, about whoattacked Jade, or are they going
to wait until later on tofigure it out?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I really think it's Bianca.
I'm going to just say that Ireally think it's Bianca or
Bailey you think so.
I think they're the main twosuspects in that case, why would
Bianca attack her?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I mean, I agree with you, Bianca why would you think
she would attack her ownteammate?
For Because if she attacks herown teammates she can't be tag
team champs anymore.
She doesn't get the belt.
So If her tag team partnercan't defend the belt, it's
because she's hurt.
Then you gotta relinquish thebelt.
Remember, Rhea Ruppe did thatwhen she had a shoulder injury.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, but I don't know, Maybe she just wants that
type of shine and if she wantsthat type of shine, she can't be
tag team champions.
If she wants that type of shine, she can't be tag team
champions.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, if she wants that single shine.
I mean I still I told youbefore on the previous one that
Bianca and Jade are going tofeud.
There's no way you're going tohave them tag teaming for years.
There's no way they're going toeventually implode.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And that's going to be a WrestleMania match.
Maybe that's what they'rewaiting on.
Maybe maybe you know jade beingout right now, uh, being
injured, maybe cover.
Coming back at roy rumble, it'sa surprise entrance at roy
rumble, you know.
And then figuring out thatbianca attacked her, like yeah,
say for instance, let's just,I'll just do some predictions
(14:49):
real quick.
Let's say bianca did attack her, right, yeah, roy rumble hits
bianca's in the ring withwhoever else is in the ring with
her jade music hits bianca's inthe ring with whoever else is
in the ring with her Jade musichits Bianca's looking like oh no
, you know kind of craziness.
Yeah, and everybody's trying tofigure out why Bianca's looking
like that, why she lookingsurprised.
Wait but if they already foundout, that.
(15:10):
Bianca did, but they may notfind out that, find out what
happens, and then they just letit go on a back burner.
For me, I mean, royal Rome wasonly a month away.
Well, a little over a monthaway, it's in January.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So it's only a month and a half away roughly.
So yeah, let's say that happens.
Jade gets in the ring, shethrows Bianca out.
It makes Bianca.
Nobody knows why she does that,for and they don't make her
look like the Hugh.
No, then on Monday Night, rawcomes out or SmackDown.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I have no idea actually.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I'm not sure what they are right now.
Smackdown, smackdown, smackdown, because the street problems on
SmackDown.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah.
So then on SmackDown, jadecomes out and explains what
happens.
Some video pops up or whateverabout Bianca attacking her.
That leads the feud goingtoward WrestleMania, with them
two Just having a regular match.
That kind of match like thatdoesn't need a title on.
That's just two people used tobe friends, not anymore.
(16:09):
Now they're feuding with eachother Boom Match.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
That's how a lot of storylines set up.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's all you got to do.
I'm going to stick with myoriginal pick anyways, even
before Bayley was added, withthe Rhea Ripley scene, bianca,
naomi, io, sky and Bayley Ithink they're going to beat them
because I just don't see.
I mean Nia Jax, yeah, she'sgood, tiffany's good, raquel's
(16:35):
good, lyft's good, tiffany'sgood, raquel's good, liv's good.
But Tiffany does have thatMoney in the Bank briefcase too,
so she can cash in.
And you gotta think she has theMoney in the Bank briefcase and
both of her partners arechampions.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
She can easily tag in .
Well, she can easily cash inafter the match.
After or during the match.
But then the problem is youcan't really do it during the
match, because then it becomes aeight-woman championship match.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Eight-woman, what do you mean Because?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
if she cashes it in, then the War Games match becomes
a world championship match.
Right, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh, that's actually.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh, I actually didn't think about that, so you really
can't cash in during the match,because just like remember when
Seth Rollins cashed in on Brock, on Brock Lesnar and Roman
Reigns and became champion ofthat match how Damian Priest
almost did that and DamianDeidre almost did too, but I'm
just saying would that work?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So that doesn't really work, does it?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You can count.
Well, not for it, that's whatI'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
She can do it, and for that like if it was on the
opposite team.
Sure, I guess.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yes, that would take some, but even then, whoever
pins can win the belt, thoughAnybody can win the belt besides
her.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You know.
So maybe after the match, youknow, maybe if Tiffany and Nia
or Tiffany and Liv are last towin, or maybe Tiffany comes back
out after Liv or Nia takes thelast pinfall and then she cashes
in, you know, becomes a women'schampion, I don't know, but I
(18:06):
think she's going to cash in onNia.
Jax, oh yeah, definitely that'sthe better feud right there,
because they've already beenfriends.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So would Nia be the good guy?
No, nia would be the heel,she'd be the good guy.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Nia be the heel.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
She'd be the heel.
Definitely People cheer forTiffany.
She's on Nia's team.
Wouldn't that be stabbing her?
No, listen, people as bad asTiffany is, she's a heel and
people cheer for her.
When her Nia Jax come out, theycheer for her and boo Nia Jax.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So if Tiffany backstab?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Nia Jax.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
So if Tiffany Stratton backstabbed Nia Jax.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Not even cash an inch , just backstabbed her in
general Cheer.
That's like an anti-hero.
Yes, that's kind of what she is.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
She's a heel, but she gets cheered.
This is how it works, you know,just while the Street Profits
couldn't turn heel that time,they tried to turn heel that
time and they still got cheeredbecause the fans like them.
Well, that really they in orderfor the Street Profits to to
officially turn heel.
(19:05):
They want to turn heel.
They got to attack most of theMachine Gun.
Yeah, that's what I was about tosay they have to attack them
Like down.
They kind of boo him left.
I mean, right, he punched him,but that's it, though that was
just out of frustration for notwinning the match.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, but do good guys, do that a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, but it's frustration, though.
It's understandable though.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I mean look at what Cody Rose did.
Cody Rose hit AJ Styles afterthe bill and he's still
considered a babyface.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, pretty much, but they don't say anything.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't know, I'm just saying he did it and people
still consider him a babyface.
So I mean, it is what it is,you know.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
But you think that's a good match.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Uh, no, I think that's it Okay.
So with the men's war gamesmatch it's the OG Bloodline
consisting of roman ranks, jayuso, jimmy uso, sammy zane and
uh on their team, cm punk, andwith the teamu bloodline it
consists of solo tama, tanga,tanga loa, jacob fatu, and I'm
(20:12):
gonna count bronson reed as thein the Blue Bloodline, but I
know he's technically not fullya member, but for this one I
feel like it's pretty easy tosee who's gonna win.
I think the OG Bloodline and CMPunk are gonna win.
I feel like there would betrouble with Roman Reigns and CM
(20:39):
Punk.
They say one time I feel likethat is going to be a rivalry,
but for this one time only.
Like they say, I feel like it'sgoing to go to Roman Reigns and
his team.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Is it?
Yep, is it?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yep, nothing else.
Yep, I mean nope.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well, I guess we're going to disagree again no way
you're joking.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
How why?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
you figure out a person that's going to be in
that match too, who Paul Heyman.
You can't trust Paul Heyman,sebastian.
First off, he came out dressedlike Solo.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I told you that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I said it too, though he came out dressed like Solo,
first off, then on SmackDown.
Him and CM Punk and RomanReigns had that set down right.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And CM Punk handed that Paul Heyman over him a
favor, mm-hmm.
And then he said I was man thelast time he was Paul Heyman, cm
Punk's advocate, or whateveryou want to call it it's been a
while, it's been years, 2014?
It was before Brock Lesnar itwas it was Brock Lesnar, cm Punk
, then some other people, thenBrock Lesnar, again recently.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then oh yeah, cause when Brock Lesnar started his
career, yeah, yeah that's whatI'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So you think, what was the favorite that CM Punk
wants from Paul Heyman?
Remember Roman Reigns asked him.
What did Paul Heyman say?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
He said we'll have plenty of time to talk about
this after war games what's?
That mean.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That means that it's something, not that it's
something he doesn't want RomanReigns to know, about.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, it's something Roman Reigns doesn't want to
hear.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Exactly, and Paul Heyman knows that either good or
bad.
So why would he not turn onRoman Reigns at this point in
time?
The point Heyman's in isBecause Roman Reigns is becoming
a babyface right now, right.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Paul Heyman does his best work as a heel.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's debatable?
No, it's not debatable?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Not at all.
He does his best work as a heel.
Yeah, you ain't watched PaulHeyman as long as I have.
He does his best work as a heel, bar none Brock Lesnar.
He was a heel most of the time.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
CM Punk originally heels ECW.
Yeah, when he came over.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
He was.
Oh, yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So he does his best work as a heel because he can
just let go and he can talk badto the fans.
He can do everything.
He's one of the greatesttalkers on the mic in history of
wrestling.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
One of them.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, he's up there.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Who's better?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying it's debatablewho you want to ask.
Other people can say otherpeople, but I'm just best up
there.
Somebody put the Miz up there,somebody put the Rock up there,
somebody put Stone Cold up there, just because of the way the
fans just saying I'm not sayingthat's who I think.
I'm just saying debatable onwho you think is the greatest
talker Right.
It depends on what you like.
(23:35):
How do you like your people totalk, but anyway, paul Heyman's
up there.
He's on every list of the besttalkers in history of wrestling.
He's on that list.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
No matter what.
So I'm going to say thatsomething happens in the match
where they end up losing,Because it's not a, but it's not
an elimination match either.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
It's first pinfall wins After the war games
officially starts.
So it's not like you know Jimmyloses first, and then Sammy,
and then y'all blah, blah, blah.
No, it's whoever takes thefirst pinfall.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And that's even harder since there's two rings.
It would be much easier if itwas only one ring.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
It'd be a lot easier for somebody like CM Punk to
turn on Roman Reigns in thematch because it doesn't matter,
there's no rules anyways.
So if he was to turn the reinsduring the match because Paul
Heyman owes him a favor,remember, if you remember, too,
what did.
If you remember we were talkingabout this before I was
(24:33):
explaining to you why CM Punkwas coming back and helping out
Paul Heyman.
Remember when Paul Heyman wasin the ring with CM Punk in the
bloodline.
The solo bloodline.
And what did he say?
Take me with you.
That was the team move that'sexactly, but he's away from the
period, though.
Take me with you.
That's what he did he's notwith them anymore right, he took
(24:56):
them with him yeah, he tookthem with him, so.
I'm gonna say that CM Punk andPaul Heyman gets back together
and turns CM Punk a heel.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Why would CM Punk turn heel?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Because it gives him the opportunity to wrestle
people like Seth Rollins andRoman Reigns.
What fun is it when two bigfans wrestle each other?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
The hatred.
Yeah, it doesn't matter, but ifsomebody's being hated, Was
Kevin Owens and Sammy Was KevinOwens and Cody Rose fun the
first time at Basham Berlin.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
No, no, it wasn't Because Kevin Owens didn't pull
the trigger when he had to.
It was times where he couldhave hit Cody Rose's knee, and
he chose not to.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
He kicked him.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
No, but it doesn't matter.
It was times where he stoppeddoing stuff.
The Kevin Owens he got rightnow would have attacked his knee
.
He would have power-boned himonto the apron.
Even Cody Rhodes said thathimself.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Remember, even Cody Rhodes was saying he would have
been champion.
That's what I'm saying.
When you have too many fans,that's what I'm saying.
It doesn't work right Now.
The Kevin Owens now would havebeaten Cody Rhodes at Backlash,
would have beaten him easilyBacklash.
What was that back?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It was Bash in Berlin , bash in.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Berlin.
Sorry In Bash in Berlin thatKevin Owens would have destroyed
Cody Rose if he had been inKevin Owens right now.
The Kevin Owens didn't careabout his leg or any of that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
You see what I'm saying, but now in healthy now.
So now he ain't got nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
He don't have anything he can unless something
happens today.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, um, you know some our series where cody rose.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I mean he's not there , but you know he's there but
one question I feel like a lotof people are asking do you
think people will get thisfantasy character that everybody
wants?
They're calling cody lander, amixture, like cody rose as a
heel, so basically Homelander.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Not right now.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
But do you think we'll ever get that, or do you
think it's going to be one ofthose John Cena people?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
No, he's not going to be John Cena, because he's
already been heel before.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
He's not going to be that.
Technically the Doctor ofThuganomics.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, not how long ago.
That was 20 years ago.
That was when he first came out.
That was when he first debuted.
He could be a Cody Rhodes couldbe a good guy for another 20
years.
No, he can't.
He's not gonna be a good guyfor another 20 years.
He's already almost 40.
Or if not 40 already.
But anyways, I think CodyRhodes is gonna turn heel
eventually.
I don't know when, but wheneverthe fans turn on him because
(27:25):
the fans always turn it doesn'tmatter.
It does not matter how popularyou are, the fans will turn on
you eventually.
They cheered John Cena untilthey didn't.
They cheered Kurt Angle andthey started having you suck in
there.
They cheered Roman Reigns andthey started blowing him.
What is it?
They cheer on the Reigns andthey start blowing them?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
What is with the fans ?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's just how it works.
People like stuff until theydon't Fans love a person, until
they get stale and then they gettired of that person.
Then it's like, oh, we needsomebody else, we want somebody
else to be champion, especiallywhen somebody else comes out and
gets the momentum.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I feel like people will turn on Roxanne Perez.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Exactly, and if people are cheering for her.
When she first won that's whyshe turned heel she was like,
okay, cool, Y'all mad at me, I'mgoing to turn on y'all.
Then that's what happens.
It's all based on who the nextone up is.
So right now, Kevin Owens is aheel Cool.
Cody Rhodes is a champion.
There's not anybody right nowthat's going to make the.
(28:30):
There's not anybody right nowthat's wrestling on Raw as of
right now that's going to makethe fans turn on Cody Rhodes as
far as somebody going for thebelt.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah Well, smackdown, smackdown somebody going for
the belt.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah Well, smackdown, smackdown, sorry, smackdown.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So you have to get somebody who the fans are 100%
behind to go against Cody Rhodes.
Then he's going to startgetting booed.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Because that's how it always works.
Think about Roman Reigns.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Randy Orton.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, not Roman Reigns, randy Orton?
No, not Randy Orton.
He had to fight Kevin Owens toget his back.
He had to beat Kevin Owens upreal quick, but just like, for
instance, roman Reigns.
Look at Roman Reigns when hefirst won the belt from, was it
Bray Wyatt?
It was Bray Wyatt, and BraunStrowman.
When he won the belt from them.
Bray Washington lost that beltto begin with did they cheer?
(29:22):
When he first came back.
Yeah, when he first came back.
Well, it was, it was duringCOVID that was the most cheated
thing.
Yeah, but it was during COVIDera so we're not gonna talk
about it was during COVID era,so it wasn't even fans there,
but people were.
People were probably happyabout it.
Right, he was back.
He left because of the leukemiastuff came back.
Max championed again.
Right, he was champion.
He was boom, boom, babyface,babyface.
(29:44):
People started booing him.
Right, boom, boom boom.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Right then he started the bloodline.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
They were with the Usos.
They were still getting cheereda little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Then they brought in Paul Heyman he, he debuted, he
re-debuted with Paul Heymanthat's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
He re-debuted with Paul Heyman.
That's what I'm saying.
When he re-debuted with PaulHeyman, that made that turn him
heel right there.
That turned him heel when theyshowed Roman Reigns sitting down
in that chair and they pannedover to see Paul Heyman sitting
here like this.
That turned him heel right.
Then Turned from Roman Reignsto good guy to Roman Reigns, to
tribal chief to Roman Reigns.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
How do you remember that crystal clear Because?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I remember, remember that crystal clear the first
time they had me.
That's what turns Roman Reigns'heel right there, because he
was starting to burn him,because he kept winning.
He kept beating everybody.
He was going against AJ Sev,kevin Sammy, everybody, and he
was beating them Because thebloodline was helping him, but
he was still beating them.
(30:42):
See what I'm saying.
But yeah, that's what I thinkis going to happen.
I think CM Punk is going toturn on Roman.
Give him a taste of his ownmedicine.
I don't think Roman's going totake the pin.
Well, I mean, in order for theway it should work, CM Punk
turns on Roman.
Solo pins Roman again.
Cm Punk turns on Roman, Solopins Roman again.
(31:05):
That gives Solo theunchallenged title of Tribal
Chief.
If he pins, the Roman Reignstwice.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Most became Roman Reigns once.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Couldn't he already have that Tribal Chief status
when he put in Roman Reigns thefirst?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
time, but this is going to cement it though,
though, if he does this time.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But CM Punk's also there, and that's the wild card.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But we don't know what CM Punk's going to do.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
And that could make Tolo win.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Exactly, but we don't know what that's going to do.
I don't know who's going tostart the match for the
bloodline.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Oh, that's so easy, you know, I don't know who's
going to start the match for thebloodline.
Oh, that's so easy, you know,sammy Zane.
No, jey Uso, you know he'sstarting that.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You're talking about the other bloodline, though.
Who's going to start the matchfor?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
them.
Oh, you know, tom Latonga'sgoing to start that.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I mean okay, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay, I'm going to say, that makes sense unless
it's Jacob, unless they want toget their first, no, they're not
going to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Or maybe Bronson Reed , they'll have him come in
because they have the advantage.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Or maybe Bronson Reed .
They have the advantage.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So they'll bring Jacob in later, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Tom and Tonga is definitely going to start, I
think.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Either him or Tonga, or Tonga Lowa.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, I think Jacob may be the last one to come in.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Solo, solo's going to come in last no.
Well, he might you always havea tribal chief in last.
Yeah, where's Bronson Reedgoing to come in then?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I don't know, but they're going to find out in a
week.
We'll have to see, though, butI mean, I kind of want Roman
Reigns and Jimmy and Solo.
No, I'm sorry, sammy and SamPunk will win, but for the
storyline purposes I'm justthinking that the bloodline with
Solo and Tama and Jacob andBronson Reed and all them guys
are going to win.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I said it's Roman, didn't I?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, you said Roman Reigns.
I want Roman Reigns to win, butdo I want to see Roman Reigns
at Tribal TV again?
That's the problem again.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Hey, I'll put you something better.
Who says CM Punk's going to goturn after the match?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
He could.
What I'm saying is, do I wantto see Roman Reigns as a trial
chief again?
No, but question, question.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
If Roman does turn more baby face kind of, do you
think Sammy, jey, jimmy are allgoing to be behind him?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I mean Jay's still on Raw.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Isn't Sammy on Raw too?
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Isn't Jimmy on Raw too Jimmy's on SmackDown.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So he'll be with Roman, if you're saying CM
Punk's on.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Until a new draft comes in and they all join
together again.
But until then, jay'stechnically on Raw, sammy's
technically on Raw, sammy'stechnically on Raw.
Cm Punk is SmackDown.
No, is CM Punk on Raw?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Since Drew McIntyre.
He's technically on Raw.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Okay, he's on Raw.
If you actually think about it,since Drew McIntyre, that whole
rivalry- Well, if he's on Raw,that makes more sense when he
takes Paul Heyman with him yeah,yeah, so he takes him away from
somebody, all together, butanyways.
So yeah, I mean, but yeah,that's just my, my pick for that
one, anything else with that?
No any, any Kevin Owenstomfoolery going on in this
(34:20):
match.
No, just in the pay-per-view andin the war games in general,
because you know they're goingto show behind the scenes stuff,
cody's not even on thepay-per-view, exactly.
But he's going to be there.
He's going to be there behindthe scenes or talking or
something.
He's going to be there.
You think Kevin Owens tries toattack him.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Oh, like a thousand If Cody does just swivel his way
somewhere in this pay-per-view.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I mean, I don't remember last time.
I don't remember last time Ididn't see Cody on a
pay-per-view or a premium liveevent.
That's how he was on one.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
He's been on one bad no no, he was on bad no, never
mind, I'm not going to try tothink about it.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I haven't.
I don't remember since he wonthe title.
He's been on every single oneof them.
I know I can't remember when hewasn't on back dang it.
He's on too many people'sreviews, that's what I'm saying
so to say he's not going to beon this one at all.
He has to be somewhere, maybebehind the scenes.
A little interview, something,maybe a oh yeah interview, maybe
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a pre-show attack from KevinOwens yeah or maybe a post-show
attack from Kareem, I don't know.
I mean, I just don't see CodyRhodes not showing his face
sometime during this show andKevin Owens not being there
either, in case Cody Rhodes isthere.
But that's just me, but I'mjust ready to see what happens.
So, yeah, anything else withthat?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
No, I think that's it .
Speaker 2 (35:43):
All righty, this is our prediction show for Survivor
Series War Games.
I'm Ben.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I'm Beth.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This has been another episode of Tag Team Talk.
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