April 19, 2025 • 32 mins
Ben and Bash dive into their predictions for WrestleMania 41 Night 1, analyzing each match on the card and offering insights into potential outcomes based on current storylines and wrestler trajectories.
• Rey Fenix expected to defeat El Grande Americano, with speculation about Chad Gable's involvement in the mysterious character's identity
• New Day predicted to defeat War Raiders for the World Tag Team Championships, revitalizing their recent heel turn
• Disagreement over Jade Cargill vs Naomi, with discussion about wrestling experience versus momentum
• Strong confidence in Jacob Fatu defeating LA Knight for the United States Championship
• Debate on whether Charlotte Flair needs another title reign against rising star Tiffany Stratton
• Jey Uso favored to complete his underdog story by defeating Gunther for the World Heavyweight Championship
• Seth Rollins supported to win the main event triple threat against Roman Reigns and CM Punk, representing wrestling's future
• Paul Heyman's loyalties questioned with potential to influence the main event outcome
• Analysis of championship prestige and what makes a truly great champion in modern WWE
Make sure to follow us for our Night 2 predictions coming soon, and let us know if your WrestleMania picks match ours.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the Ben and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
I'm Ben.
I'm Bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, here we are for another one.
We are going to be doing ourpredictions for WrestleMania
Night 1.
So yeah, let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Okay, so yeah, let's get to it.
Okay for the unofficial firstmatch.
First match on the card it'sRey Mysterio vs El Grande
Americano that changed.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Remember Rey Mysterio got hurt, so it's going to be
Rey Phoenix now so Rey Phoenixvs El Grande Americano.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
so I think we all know how this ends Rey, not Rey
Mysterio.
Rey Phoenix unmasks El GrandeAmericano, and so I think we all
know how this ends Not RayMysterio.
Ray Phoenix unmasks GrandeAmericano, and it ends up to not
be Chad Gable.
We all know how it ends.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's not during the match, though.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
No at the end.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh, they make like a little switcheroo at the end.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Like Chad Gable goes under the ring and somebody else
comes out.
Yeah, yeah, maybe it's going tobe Chad Gable in the match
wrestling.
He's going to be wrestling inthe match, but maybe at the end,
when they get ready to pin himhe may go in the ring somebody
comes out and they unmask him.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
But yeah, I think Ray Phoenix wins.
For that reason, you think RayPhoenix wins.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yep, yeah, I'm glad.
Well, I mean, is that ChadGable though?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I mean you know you've never seen them in the
same place the same time.
So I mean I don't know.
I mean we saw both of them thesame time earlier when it first
happened.
We saw both of them.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, so I mean people think it is.
I mean it looks similar, butuntil you take the mask off
you're not for sure.
Another thing is Chad Gable hasbeen hyping up El Grande
Americano for a long time yup,he has, but I mean, who knows?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
but yeah, so Ray Fink that should be a good match.
I mean, yeah, ray Fink justdebuted.
I don't see him taking a lossthis early.
He just debuted.
What?
Early this month?
Yeah, so I really don't see himtaking a loss right now.
So, yeah, I got Ray Fink aswell.
I mean, hopefully El Grande hasa good match.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, it's his first showing at WrestleMania.
Yeah, I wish Chad Gale wouldhave a match at WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know he needs a match at WrestleMania, but I
guess first up would be ElGrande having a match which you
know second best, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Because he wrestled just like Chad Gale.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Similar.
A little different, but similar.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
A little more lucha, yeah, but yeah, for the second
match on the card is the WarRaiders versus the New Day for
the World Tag Team Championships.
Um and the War Raiders are thechampions, but, um, I don't know
.
Um, this is a tough one becauseit's going to be an okay match.
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You know it wasn't that much ofa build.
Most people are expecting B andE post-match.
You know it wasn't that much ofa build.
Most people are expecting bepost match, but, um, yeah, uh,
but I don't know.
I'll probably pick the new daybecause I think they need it
more.
And since they've been on thishill run, they haven't really
done anything except their bigheel turn, uh, which is known as
(03:21):
the known to most people as thebiggest heel turn of 2024.
But yeah, they haven't reallydone anything.
So I think this should reallyhelp them boost their heelness
or their heel turning.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So you're going for a new day?
Yep, yeah, I mean what theCOVID always says at the end of
the day get your knees, hands inthe air.
Thank God for the new day, Imean.
Yeah, I mean people still madwhat they did for Newt, for
against Biggie, I mean is Biggiecoming back?
yeah, I mean, if he's not comingback then they have to get rid
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of him eventually.
I mean you can't keep holdingthe carrot out there hoping
Biggie comes back.
He never does get eventuallycut up loose.
If he does come back then maybethey can.
They can mend that fence whenthey cross their bridge and get
there.
But as far as right now it goes, you can't have a new day and
biggie involved, when biggie maynot ever come back to wrestling
as a wrestler.
I mean, he's doing thecommentary and you know the
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pre-shows and all that, but hehe hasn't wrestled in almost
three years now.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
He hasn't wrestled since he got injured.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You can't have the New Day with Big E and he's not
there.
He could have been a manager,but who wants to do a manager
when you want to be a wrestler?
A lot of times he can't do thatNew Day by far.
I think they're going to winSecond longest reigning tag team
champs of all time behind theUsos.
(04:50):
So yeah, I mean Hill Turnhadn't been 100% like people
want it to be, but it's beengood.
They've been getting booed,they've been their Hill persona
is going into it good.
But yeah, I got the New Dayagain winning, uh, doing their
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legacy again for the greatesttag team of all time, no
questions asked.
I mean they're up there.
If you don't have a top fivewith New Day in it, you don't
know tag team wrestling.
That's just point blank.
I mean that's, that's prettymuch it, right there.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But um, that's what you want to say.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, and for the third match on the card is Jay
Cargill versus Naomi and um forthis one.
I think that's pretty clear cut.
I think Jay Cargill is going toClear cut though.
Well, I mean not as clear cutas I'm saying, but like I just I
(05:50):
don't know.
I feel like Jade Cargill, theway she's been booked, I think
she's going to win this matchover Naomi.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Gotcha I think this should be a stipulation match
too, but it should have been, itshould have been a stipulation
match, but I mean too, but itshould have been, it should have
been a situation match, but Imean, you can get the art, yeah.
But yeah, this is probably oneof the most in more intense
views on the rest mania car byfar.
I mean, oh yeah, I mean, thisled this was months in the
making of who pushed jade offthe car, the ramp off, the ramp
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onto the car.
I mean, how did she end up likethat?
Anyways, you said, got hit inthe back of the head, pushed,
pushed off.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, I mean Unless she got front pushed.
But that wouldn't make anysense because you would see it
coming.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, but I mean she was.
But that would make sensebecause her and Naomi would be,
could have been there talkingand then boom, because had been
Naomi that hit her.
I mean she was even on coming.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Wouldn't Bianca be there too, though?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No remember, naomi Bianca was in the ring wrestling
.
Remember.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Oh yeah, remember she was wrestling.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So they could have been backstage talking, just
chopping it up, talking aboutother stuff, watching the match.
Until one of the monitors backthere and the next thing you
know, boom, back to the headyear.
I mean I took her out formonths, you know, and then Naomi
scoops in, becomes tag teamchamps with Bianca and the rest
(07:12):
is history.
But to say clear-cut, I meanyou're not giving me.
Naomi is a former women's worldchampion, I mean women's
champion.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Not like based on in-ring ability or just.
I'm just saying the way she'sbeen booked.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean, yeah, but she's crazy.
She's acting crazy, though, andthat you can't.
You're talking about in-ringability.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
They're wrestling, a regular wrestling match yeah,
but Jade Cargill has the poweradvantage, the speed advantage.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
She does, but in a regular wrestling match, though?
See what I'm saying.
Can she?
Can she hold her own againstNaomi in a regular wrestling
match?
Yes, in the power game, yes, ifit was like a dose
qualification stuff like that,yes, but just a pure wrestling
match.
Who knows Naomi can win thatmatch in just a pure wrestling
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match?
Can Jade knows Naomi can winthat match?
It's just a pure wrestlingmatch.
Can Jade go into what they callthe deep waters with Naomi?
Does she have the endurance andcardio we were talking about
earlier?
Does she have the cardio andendurance to go the full
distance with Naomi?
Naomi's one of the betterfemale wrestlers out there.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
And Jade's still new.
Can she hold her own as aformer world champion, women's
champion, you know so I agreewith everything you're saying,
but I'm still picking jakecardigan still picking jay
carioca.
Okay, what are you picking?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
uh, I'm gonna pick me out, I'm gonna pick me on me,
I'm picking me up because jay'salready been painted once
already, so it's nice that she'sgoing to feed it right now.
Yeah, she's already been pinnedonce already, so it's not like
she's going undefeated right now.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, she's already been pinned by Lil Morgan so
it's not like she's undefeatedso she don't need to win.
I mean, I mean she can use thewin, but why not?
And will Bianca get involvedafter what happened on Friday
night?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
right now, uh, no, I don't think so Okay, and that's
what you're going to say forthat match.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And for the next match on the card, it's LA
Knight versus Jacob Fatu.
Fatu I was going to say that,but for the WWE United States
Championship and for this one Idon't know about you.
The last one, okay, I was kindof wrong, but I think this one
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is clear-cut, clear-cut, youthink.
Yeah, and it's going to getbrutalized by Jacob Fatu, unless
see here on unless Sola Sokovagets involved.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And calls Jacob Fatu the match Accidentally, like he
did that one time remember, andBraun Strowman got the match.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Jacob Fatu might even be champion.
Go walking into this, if itwasn't for Sola Sikora, right
then but, yeah, but I'm pickingJacob Fatu because I think he
just has the most confidence andhe's just ready for the US
Championship.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That makes sense.
But I'm going to go with JacobFatu by far.
I mean, I've been watching himsince the MLW days, so I'm going
to go with him by far I mean, Iwas telling you about him
before he came to the league.
So, yeah, I'm going to go withJacob Fatu.
I'm a Jacob Fatu fan, you knowwhat I mean.
But, uh, Cringe, but okay, oh,wow, that's what we're doing.
(10:31):
Yep, that's what we're doing.
So, jacob Fatu's cringe when hedo it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, that's what no.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
He's cool when he does it.
But yeah, I'm going with JacobFox to win night and state
championship undefeated.
Haven't been pinned yet stillgoing to be undefeated after
Wrestlemania.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Going to be backlash against who knows who yeah but
undefeated, still going to be LAKnight uh, yep, I'll agree with
everything you're saying yep,by far, no question, that is
Jacob Fatu uh, but for anothermatch on the card is Tiffany
Straton versus Charlotte Flairfor the WWE Women's Championship
(11:17):
, and this rivalry has beenreally heated ever since that um
one promo.
That was kind of like it was abad promo and also good at the
same time it was what they calla shoot promo.
Yeah, it was super off script.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It was what they call a shoot promo.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, from that moment it started, but I mean
they had to be.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, Tiffany went off script a little bit because
of what happened when they weredoing the sit-down interview.
Yeah, I think they were doingthe um, the sit-down interview,
yeah.
And I think charlotte went offscript now, yeah, and it messed
tiffany up and she, she kind ofgot um she admitted it too she
kind of got flabbergasted andshe didn't know what to do
because she was new.
(11:57):
So she realized that, okay, I'mgonna get her back when we go
back.
You can only get her back isthat the 013 reference yep?
that was completely off scriptand you can tell the way
Charlotte reacted to it.
She didn't have a comeback toit, that's how you tell.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I think that's why Tiffany Stratton left the ring
so quick.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
She did, of course.
Of course she did.
She probably would saysomething else right then, but
she said she left the ring rightthen.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
yeah, uh, but yeah, oh, uh, but it's I mean, it's
charlotte flair, uh, uh, as soonas she comes back, she's almost
guaranteed um to win.
But it is in las vegas.
So you know, luck is always oneverybody's side, and and maybe
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luck isn't on people's sidetoday, uh, tonight, but um, uh,
but I don't know.
Um, I think, um, tiffanyStratton is gonna lose this
match to Charlotte Flair.
You think so amazing match, butTiffany loses, hmm, hmm before
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that promo happened, I wouldhave said Charlotte Flair.
What before the 0-3 promo Mm-hmm.
Now, I don't know what makesyou change your mind.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Because I don't know which way, because Charlotte
doesn't need to build.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, but Charlotte Flair though.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Tiffany hasn't defended her build that much.
You know, it's almost like the.
I understand Charlotte'sCharlotte Flair, I get it, but
she beat Asuka, she beat RheaRipley.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh yeah, she beat her once.
She beat Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yes, she did oh yeah, she beat her once, yeah, yeah,
she's beating all these youngnot young people that are called
Asuka, but these new peoplethat are the and kill their
momentum.
She's like the female John Cena, you know.
Like she's getting people thatare starting up burying them and
not caring about it, Like shedoesn't need the belt.
Like, look at what Roman Reignshas been doing.
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We'll get to him later.
Look at what Roman Reigns hasbeen doing with the belt.
He's still selling tickets.
He's still being entertainingwithout the belt in his hand.
You know, CM Punk, same way.
They're still entertaining.
Charlotte Farris should be ableto do the same.
She should be able to do thesame thing like Roman Reigns.
If she's that good, she's beendoing the same thing Roman
Reigns is doing without a belt.
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Seth Rollins, CM Punk all theseguys.
If she needs the belt to berelevant, then is it about the
belt or is it her?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I'm just saying, I'm just saying Like for real, Like
she's what 14-time women.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Two more she'd have her dead.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
He was for like 30 years, she's only 10 years in
she's 10 years in she's bound tobe at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
She's like 10 years in and got 14 belts.
That's more than one a year.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Damn, I didn't even realize Exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's what I'm saying.
That's not even a whole newbelt in one year.
That's quick time of reign.
I mean she wins the belt andthen loses it, wins it, loses it
, wins, loses.
Like at least like Roman Reignsor Triple H.
Those guys don't have that manytitle reigns because they
helped the belt for.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
so long yeah.
If you look at Roman Reigns,instead, I think he only has
four, four or five.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean Bruno.
How many times did he have abelt?
Not that many.
I think like only two but hehad the belt for like 15 years
yeah.
I mean which one is moreimportant holding the belt long
or having the most title reigns.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I mean for your stats .
I personally think that it'smost.
I mean look at John Cena.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He's on his 20 plus years of wrestling and he's at
was Tyrus 16 right.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And he's at 16.
20 plus years of wrestling yeah, he's been close to 17.
Hadn't even got it yet.
Will probably get it thisweekend, but look how far he has
to go.
Charlotte is right there.
You mean, tell me 10 more years.
He can't get two more wins.
Yeah, two more wins.
Yeah, three more wins, fourmore wins, championship wins,
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and then break John Cena'srecord or whoever else, or Randy
Orton if he gets a couple morewins.
I mean so, yeah, I don't know.
I mean Timmy Stratton.
I'm sorry I went a little rightthere, but Timmy Stratton.
I think Timmy Stratton needs towin and she deserves to win and
she's been doing good.
Her promos have been way betterthan when she started off at
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NXT.
I think Louis Kaiser's beenhelping her out a ton.
I mean he doesn't get a lot ofcredit himself.
I mean he definitely deservesmore credit for himself.
I mean Gunter.
I mean, yeah, gunter gets allthe credit because he's a world
champion.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But people, forget about Kizer being just as good
as Guntur is.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
As far as a wrestler promo guy all-around wrestler
too yeah you know, maybe he'llget a mid-carp run sometime this
year as well.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's what everybody wanted for Survivor Series.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, Maybe he'll get another one sometime this year
too.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, everything.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I agree with what you're saying, except.
Tiffany winning yeah, if youpick a Tiffany away.
That's just a losing bet.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
But yeah, that's what you see.
Okay, but for the opening,actually the opening for the, I
think opening right, like it'sgood there, which is J who's
this place, this place, it, theysaid they're just going to
probably open the card up, andwe'll know until it comes on,
but they said it's going to openup though.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
They said it's going to open up Saturday, and then
the women's triple threat isgoing to open up Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I think that's what he said, yeah it's for the World
Heavyweight Championship and JYeet-a-mania, yeah, but there's
always one like that yeah, youhad a yes movement, you had the
Kofi-mania.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, I mean you always have something like that
every few years and those guysfinish the story.
You know Daniel Bryan won.
You know the yes movement.
Kofi Kingston won doing theKofi-mania Yep.
Can Jey Uso win doing the yeetmovement?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Mm doing the Yeet movement or Yeet Mania, can he
win?
Yeah, but yeah.
But like you're saying, yeah,yeet Mania.
And like I was saying, but likeyou said, all those people
overcome, and I think heovercomes the challenge and I
think Jimmy Uso comes out postmatch.
You think so?
Yep, yep.
(18:30):
So I'm picking Jey Uso.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Do I go with my heart or do I go with my brain?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I guess your heart is going Jey Uso, but your brain
is going Gunther.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yep, exactly Because I want to see Jey Uso in it.
It's a great story.
I mean being the backup toRoman, then being the right-hand
man to Roman, then getting beatdown by Roman hell in a cell,
then leaving the bloodline,becoming a Jey Uso, then leaving
the bloodline, becoming a majorJ-Hood soul, then becoming the
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geek movement, going through allthat, challenging Gunther
losing, winning the Royal Rumble, beating John Cena in the Royal
Rumble, to be exact.
Challenging Gunther goingthrough that storyline which
kind of fell off a little bit,then picked back up Gunther
beating down Jimmy.
I mean, pretty much, you do itoutside of wrestling.
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You're going to jail for that.
But but Jey Uso as a worldchampion, if Kofi can do it, jay
can do it that's your mindset,yep if Sammy can beat Gunther,
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jay can beat Gunther goodmindset, as long as he doesn't
come out playing.
You cannot play around withGunther.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
He will destroy you if you do, jay was looking to be
good, good mindset, good months, as long as he doesn't come out
playing.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
You cannot play around with going through.
You will destroy you if you do.
I wonder what his ring gear isgonna look like.
Don't know.
Blow, why maybe.
Yeah, hey, blow white, white,blue, mm-hmm, but we'll see.
But yeah, I got a date, so I'llget a loser with that one.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yep, but we'll see.
But yeah, I got J Lo, so I'llget J Lo.
So with that one, yep, yeahthat's what you're going to say
for that one Yep, that's it,okay.
And in the main event it'sRoman Reigns versus Seth Rollins
versus CM Punk.
Main event that fast, yeah, allright, With Paul Heyman in CM
Punk's corner.
Man that's a good one, yeah, andfor this one I mean I might be
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a little bit biased, becauseSeth Rollins is probably my
favorite professional wrestler,at least in WWE.
But yeah, I think it's going tobe a moment between Saffron as
a CM Punk and they're bothtalking to Paul Heyman, and then
Saffron's going to take thatopportunity because he is the
visionary and the architect.
(21:17):
So I think he's going to planout his moves and overcome CM
Punk and Roman Reigns, but I donot think that he's going to
join Poe.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Who?
Seth Rollins.
So who do y'all win?
Seth Rollins, seth Rollins.
Now here's my dilemma with this.
Seth Rollins is 100% correct ineverything he's said so far
leading up to the resume.
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Roman Reigns shows up when hewants to, but he's earned that
right to do it, just like Brockdid.
That's in his contract.
He can do what he wants to.
That's in his contract.
He's a prize fighter.
He doesn't have to show up whenhe wants to.
He shows up when he wants to,not when he has to when he wants
to.
That's in his contract.
He doesn't.
He's a.
He's a prize fighter.
He doesn't have to show up whenhe wants to.
He shows up when he wants to,not when he has to, when he has
to.
You know so, not every week,but big time fights.
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Is that good for the fans?
No, is it good to have a worldchampion when he's a world
champion who's not on TV formonths at a time?
Used to be if you didn't defendthe belt for more than a month,
your belt got stripped from you, then From Reigns.
Get the belt and don't defendit for two or three months.
Nobody says anything about it.
Like Sir Frum said, is thatgood for the business If other
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wrestlers, if other newwrestlers, younger wrestlers
come up acting like they want tohave that same treatment.
Is that good for wrestlers tobe like that and not want to
show up to work and win achampionship and not want to
come to work?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Nope, and sometimes not all the times, but CM Punk
that's a thing too, just like CMPunk.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Cm Punk left for nine years Bad mouthed WWE for years
Sued him bad mouthed.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
LB for years, suit him.
Like Seth Rollins said, hetried to burn the flag and then
raised it up with everybody else.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Exactly he left LB, talked bad about him for years,
sued him.
People still cheer for CM Punk.
Years after years after years,you still heard CM Punk in every
arena.
You still heard CM Punk chantalmost every single time.
Chicago went crazy.
Cm Punk chants and he neveronce said anything about it, not
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one thank you or nothing.
And then, before AEW was even athing, wwe chanted CM Punk.
And where does he come back to?
Like Seth Rollins said, not WWE, not the people who've been
loyally with him for 9, 10 years.
Yeah, it's AEW.
He went to AEW.
Nothing wrong with that.
He can do what he wants to do.
He's a grown guy.
(23:56):
He's a grown man.
He can wrestle where he wantsto wrestle at.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But, like Seth Rollins said, the guys who gave
you the biggest paycheck.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, the big fat check, the big fat check which
is AEW.
And what happened to AEW?
You did good for a little bitand what happened to AEW?
The same thing happened to meoriginally.
You burnt the bridge, you gotinto a fight over I think it was
Glass or something like that.
It was a real Glass versus fakeGlass whatever it was, you vs
fake glass, whatever it was.
Got into a fight backstage, gotfired, world champion had the
(24:31):
bill got fired or whatever case.
And then he came back to WWE,like Seth Rollins basically was
saying would he be in WWE rightnow if he never left AEW?
or would he still be in AEW,like Dean Ambrose or Jon Moxley,
as Pratt and Young.
(24:52):
See what I'm saying.
Yeah, that's what Seth Rollinsis saying.
What Seth Rollins is saying isCM Punk doesn't care about the
fans.
I'm a CM Punk fan, as you cansee.
I'm a CM Punk fan by far, but,like Seth Rollins is saying,
it's true, like I wanted to seea Punk come back for 10 years.
(25:12):
I was waiting for him to comeback Anytime I was in Chicago.
This might be a time.
This might be a time For years,never.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And then, when it finally happened, you didn't
think it was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And then, when it finally happened, I never
thought anything would happened.
You didn't think it was gonnahappen.
If I haven't ever thought Ididn't have anything to happen,
I said he's not coming backbecause the way he left I didn't
know him too much had a phonecall.
Yeah, right before that, youknow, I know he had a phone call
with that.
But it happened.
He came back.
It seems like he's a differentperson.
He's a little older now.
He's not the young guy anymorelike he was when he left
original 10 years.
But he did lose 10 years of hislife, of his wrestling career,
(25:52):
which is a long time towrestling, yeah, you know.
Now he's going to be sevenyears, I think, total, I think
to AEW first for about two years.
I think two years, I think so.
Like, I think two years, Ithink so.
Like Seth Rollins said, the wayCM Punk did, just get your,
take your ball and lead whenstuff gets hard.
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Do you want the young kids todo that?
Like Seth Rollins said, thismatch is for the future of the
company and me personally as awrestling fan.
For 30 years now at least 30years now I like my champion on
TV every week, if not every week, a wrestling fan for 30 years
now, at least 30 years now.
I like my champion on TV everyweek.
(26:33):
If not every week, every otherweek, I like to see my champs on
TV.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
These are some really good points, but the main point
is who wins the match?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's what I'm getting to.
I won't see him puncture winbecause I'm a fan of his, but
for the sake of pro wrestling Ineed Seth Rollins to win.
Like I won't see him Punk towin because I'm a fan of seeing
Punk, but for the sake of prowrestling I need Seth Rollins to
(27:06):
win.
That's like Seth Rollins sayswrestling I need Seth Rollins to
win.
That's like Seth Rollins says.
We need somebody like SethRollins for the kids, like
somebody who's going to show upday in, day out.
Hurt messed up, knee messed up,back shoulder messed up.
Whatever.
The case is Just like when Codycame up with that bicep pick
(27:27):
tear Wrestling match againstSeth Rollins.
Matter of fact.
Then we had to do how he gotsurgery.
When he got surgery, sethRollins' WrestleMania last year
Hobbling on.
You see, when he got in thering with the chair, his knee
was soaked.
For him he couldn't get in thering.
That's why it took him so longto get in the ring when the shit
was going on.
That's why I take him so long toget in the ring.
He couldn't even get in thering because his knee was so
(27:49):
jacked up.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah.
Back was messed up and you'vegot to think he wrestled a match
right before that or rightafter that, and he took time off
after that match too, becausehe was hurt.
You've got to think hisschedule for WrestleMania 40.
He had a like a crazy longmatch, a first night and the
second night the openback-to-back wrestling matches,
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and then at the end he still, hestill comes out for the sake of
professional wrestling to getthe bell from rain to get the
coat of robes.
Yep, and that's what needed tobe and that's what needed to be
done.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Everyone still might have been champion if it wasn't
for that yep, and so, for thesake of pro wrestling, I need
Seth Rollins to win.
That's what I'm going with, Imean.
But this build up though backto the second, this build up has
been amazing.
Like I thought it was justgoing to be Seth Rollins and CM
Punk.
(28:42):
I didn't think about RomanReigns at first.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I was trying to figure out how Roman Reigns was
going to insert himself intothis match, because I knew Seth
Rollins and CM Punk since dayone.
When CM Punk came back, I knew,okay, seth Rollins and CM Punk
wrestled WrestleMania.
I knew that from day one.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It was either going to be Seth Rollins and CM Punk
or Drew McIntyre and CM Punk.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
But because CM Punk and Drew McIntyre had their feud
pretty much that whole rest ofthe year leading to this year.
Yes, that was up with.
So then it's okay, Seth Rollinsand CM Punk would have a feud
at WrestleMania.
Didn't even think about RomanReigns having a feud.
Yeah, I mean, it makes perfectsense.
The way it happened.
He interfered in the Steel Cagematch.
(29:21):
Well, broke Roman first,elimination first, then came
back in the Steel Cage match,pulled Seth Rollins out, called
Seth Rollins to win but in theprocess stopped Seth Rollins
from destroying CM Punk.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
But also called CM Punk to match.
So now Seth Rollins was mad atRoman Reigns because he stopped
him from beating down CM Punk.
Cm Punk mad at Roman Reignsbecause he caused him to lose.
They both were mad at RomanReigns cause he caused him to
lose mhm.
So both of them are mad atRoman Reigns yeah, and it was
also.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
There was already the tension between Seth Rollins
and CM Punk, so that was alreadythere, exactly, that's already
there when you put Roman Reignsinto there, it's just a trio,
it's just a, a trio of features,and then we know what Seth
Rollins Reigns.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
History is.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And I'm sure, cm Punk and Roman Reigns with the Paul
Heyman situation.
And then we got Paul Heyman inthe mix, one of the greatest
voices, managers in history ofwrestling.
Like I said before, we'retexting.
If you don't put Paul Heyman inthe top three of your greatest
managers, you're not aprofessional wrestler.
He's up there, he's top three.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I don't know if he's two or three.
Yeah, I mean, for my list he'snumber one.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
He's top three and I don't think he's two or three.
So, but the question is what isPaul Heyman going to do?
Is he going to turn on CM Punkor on Reigns?
Speaker 1 (30:55):
and become.
Seth.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Rollins for, like you said, for the second pro
wrestling punk, and I kind ofwant to see Paul Heyman drop
with Seth Rollins and see whatthat looks like.
I've already seen him with CMPunk.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I think Seth Rollins would be great with Paul Heyman.
I've already seen him with.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
He was technically Paul Heyman, already with the
Shield oh yeah, technicallybecause, remember, if you listen
to what Seth Rollins said, itwas Paul Heyman who made the
call for the shield to come upwith help to see him in the
first place.
We didn't know that, but that'swhat Seth Rollins said in the
interview, that Paul Heyman madethat call for them to come out
and help see him punk out.
(31:36):
So and what's that favor?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Paul Heyman owes Super Awesome favor.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I mean technically not, that doesn't make any sense
, but it's a favor.
What?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'm saying is he could have stuffed his face in,
and then he would not have beenarrested.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, but he didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
You owe me a favor now.
I saved you.
I could have done this, but Ididn't.
You're welcome, now you owe me.
Yeah, it yes kind of messed up,but that's what happened, just
like Roman Reigns.
Roman Reigns didn't agree tothe give CM Punk no favor yeah
he didn't ask for no help.
That was Paul Heyman agreed toa favor.
(32:22):
Roman Reigns didn't need thathelp.
He was good at going followingforward at WarGames.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
He was good with that .
He needed that fifth guy yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So yeah, but yeah, seth Rollins, I think saw him
want to win or need to win,rather Need Seth Rollins to win
this match.
But yeah, anything else, Ithink it'll be a good night one.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yep, it sure is Anything else going on.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Nope, good Yep, all right With that being said, I'm
Ben, I'm Bash.
It's a new episode of Tag TeamTalk.
Welcome to the Ben and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
I'm Ben.
I'm Bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, here we are for another one.
We are going to be doing ourpredictions for WrestleMania
Night 1.
So yeah, let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Okay, so yeah, let's get to it.
Okay for the unofficial firstmatch.
First match on the card it'sRey Mysterio vs El Grande
Americano that changed.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Remember Rey Mysterio got hurt, so it's going to be
Rey Phoenix now so Rey Phoenixvs El Grande Americano.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
so I think we all know how this ends Rey, not Rey
Mysterio.
Rey Phoenix unmasks El GrandeAmericano, and so I think we all
know how this ends Not RayMysterio.
Ray Phoenix unmasks GrandeAmericano, and it ends up to not
be Chad Gable.
We all know how it ends.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's not during the match, though.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
No at the end.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh, they make like a little switcheroo at the end.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Like Chad Gable goes under the ring and somebody else
comes out.
Yeah, yeah, maybe it's going tobe Chad Gable in the match
wrestling.
He's going to be wrestling inthe match, but maybe at the end,
when they get ready to pin himhe may go in the ring somebody
comes out and they unmask him.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
But yeah, I think Ray Phoenix wins.
For that reason, you think RayPhoenix wins.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yep, yeah, I'm glad.
Well, I mean, is that ChadGable though?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I mean you know you've never seen them in the
same place the same time.
So I mean I don't know.
I mean we saw both of them thesame time earlier when it first
happened.
We saw both of them.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, so I mean people think it is.
I mean it looks similar, butuntil you take the mask off
you're not for sure.
Another thing is Chad Gable hasbeen hyping up El Grande
Americano for a long time yup,he has, but I mean, who knows?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
but yeah, so Ray Fink that should be a good match.
I mean, yeah, ray Fink justdebuted.
I don't see him taking a lossthis early.
He just debuted.
What?
Early this month?
Yeah, so I really don't see himtaking a loss right now.
So, yeah, I got Ray Fink aswell.
I mean, hopefully El Grande hasa good match.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, it's his first showing at WrestleMania.
Yeah, I wish Chad Gale wouldhave a match at WrestleMania.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know he needs a match at WrestleMania, but I
guess first up would be ElGrande having a match which you
know second best, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Because he wrestled just like Chad Gale.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Similar.
A little different, but similar.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
A little more lucha, yeah, but yeah, for the second
match on the card is the WarRaiders versus the New Day for
the World Tag Team Championships.
Um and the War Raiders are thechampions, but, um, I don't know
.
Um, this is a tough one becauseit's going to be an okay match.
(03:00):
You know it wasn't that much ofa build.
Most people are expecting B andE post-match.
You know it wasn't that much ofa build.
Most people are expecting bepost match, but, um, yeah, uh,
but I don't know.
I'll probably pick the new daybecause I think they need it
more.
And since they've been on thishill run, they haven't really
done anything except their bigheel turn, uh, which is known as
(03:21):
the known to most people as thebiggest heel turn of 2024.
But yeah, they haven't reallydone anything.
So I think this should reallyhelp them boost their heelness
or their heel turning.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So you're going for a new day?
Yep, yeah, I mean what theCOVID always says at the end of
the day get your knees, hands inthe air.
Thank God for the new day, Imean.
Yeah, I mean people still madwhat they did for Newt, for
against Biggie, I mean is Biggiecoming back?
yeah, I mean, if he's not comingback then they have to get rid
(03:58):
of him eventually.
I mean you can't keep holdingthe carrot out there hoping
Biggie comes back.
He never does get eventuallycut up loose.
If he does come back then maybethey can.
They can mend that fence whenthey cross their bridge and get
there.
But as far as right now it goes, you can't have a new day and
biggie involved, when biggie maynot ever come back to wrestling
as a wrestler.
I mean, he's doing thecommentary and you know the
(04:20):
pre-shows and all that, but hehe hasn't wrestled in almost
three years now.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
He hasn't wrestled since he got injured.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You can't have the New Day with Big E and he's not
there.
He could have been a manager,but who wants to do a manager
when you want to be a wrestler?
A lot of times he can't do thatNew Day by far.
I think they're going to winSecond longest reigning tag team
champs of all time behind theUsos.
(04:50):
So yeah, I mean Hill Turnhadn't been 100% like people
want it to be, but it's beengood.
They've been getting booed,they've been their Hill persona
is going into it good.
But yeah, I got the New Dayagain winning, uh, doing their
(05:12):
legacy again for the greatesttag team of all time, no
questions asked.
I mean they're up there.
If you don't have a top fivewith New Day in it, you don't
know tag team wrestling.
That's just point blank.
I mean that's, that's prettymuch it, right there.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
But um, that's what you want to say.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, and for the third match on the card is Jay
Cargill versus Naomi and um forthis one.
I think that's pretty clear cut.
I think Jay Cargill is going toClear cut though.
Well, I mean not as clear cutas I'm saying, but like I just I
(05:50):
don't know.
I feel like Jade Cargill, theway she's been booked, I think
she's going to win this matchover Naomi.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Gotcha I think this should be a stipulation match
too, but it should have been, itshould have been a stipulation
match, but I mean too, but itshould have been, it should have
been a situation match, but Imean, you can get the art, yeah.
But yeah, this is probably oneof the most in more intense
views on the rest mania car byfar.
I mean, oh yeah, I mean, thisled this was months in the
making of who pushed jade offthe car, the ramp off, the ramp
(06:20):
onto the car.
I mean, how did she end up likethat?
Anyways, you said, got hit inthe back of the head, pushed,
pushed off.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, I mean Unless she got front pushed.
But that wouldn't make anysense because you would see it
coming.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, but I mean she was.
But that would make sensebecause her and Naomi would be,
could have been there talkingand then boom, because had been
Naomi that hit her.
I mean she was even on coming.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Wouldn't Bianca be there too, though?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
No remember, naomi Bianca was in the ring wrestling
.
Remember.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Oh yeah, remember she was wrestling.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So they could have been backstage talking, just
chopping it up, talking aboutother stuff, watching the match.
Until one of the monitors backthere and the next thing you
know, boom, back to the headyear.
I mean I took her out formonths, you know, and then Naomi
scoops in, becomes tag teamchamps with Bianca and the rest
(07:12):
is history.
But to say clear-cut, I meanyou're not giving me.
Naomi is a former women's worldchampion, I mean women's
champion.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Not like based on in-ring ability or just.
I'm just saying the way she'sbeen booked.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean, yeah, but she's crazy.
She's acting crazy, though, andthat you can't.
You're talking about in-ringability.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
They're wrestling, a regular wrestling match yeah,
but Jade Cargill has the poweradvantage, the speed advantage.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
She does, but in a regular wrestling match, though?
See what I'm saying.
Can she?
Can she hold her own againstNaomi in a regular wrestling
match?
Yes, in the power game, yes, ifit was like a dose
qualification stuff like that,yes, but just a pure wrestling
match.
Who knows Naomi can win thatmatch in just a pure wrestling
(08:04):
match?
Can Jade knows Naomi can winthat match?
It's just a pure wrestlingmatch.
Can Jade go into what they callthe deep waters with Naomi?
Does she have the endurance andcardio we were talking about
earlier?
Does she have the cardio andendurance to go the full
distance with Naomi?
Naomi's one of the betterfemale wrestlers out there.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
And Jade's still new.
Can she hold her own as aformer world champion, women's
champion, you know so I agreewith everything you're saying,
but I'm still picking jakecardigan still picking jay
carioca.
Okay, what are you picking?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
uh, I'm gonna pick me out, I'm gonna pick me on me,
I'm picking me up because jay'salready been painted once
already, so it's nice that she'sgoing to feed it right now.
Yeah, she's already been pinnedonce already, so it's not like
she's going undefeated right now.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, she's already been pinned by Lil Morgan so
it's not like she's undefeatedso she don't need to win.
I mean, I mean she can use thewin, but why not?
And will Bianca get involvedafter what happened on Friday
night?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
right now, uh, no, I don't think so Okay, and that's
what you're going to say forthat match.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And for the next match on the card, it's LA
Knight versus Jacob Fatu.
Fatu I was going to say that,but for the WWE United States
Championship and for this one Idon't know about you.
The last one, okay, I was kindof wrong, but I think this one
(09:31):
is clear-cut, clear-cut, youthink.
Yeah, and it's going to getbrutalized by Jacob Fatu, unless
see here on unless Sola Sokovagets involved.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And calls Jacob Fatu the match Accidentally, like he
did that one time remember, andBraun Strowman got the match.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Jacob Fatu might even be champion.
Go walking into this, if itwasn't for Sola Sikora, right
then but, yeah, but I'm pickingJacob Fatu because I think he
just has the most confidence andhe's just ready for the US
Championship.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That makes sense.
But I'm going to go with JacobFatu by far.
I mean, I've been watching himsince the MLW days, so I'm going
to go with him by far I mean, Iwas telling you about him
before he came to the league.
So, yeah, I'm going to go withJacob Fatu.
I'm a Jacob Fatu fan, you knowwhat I mean.
But, uh, Cringe, but okay, oh,wow, that's what we're doing.
(10:31):
Yep, that's what we're doing.
So, jacob Fatu's cringe when hedo it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, that's what no.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
He's cool when he does it.
But yeah, I'm going with JacobFox to win night and state
championship undefeated.
Haven't been pinned yet stillgoing to be undefeated after
Wrestlemania.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Going to be backlash against who knows who yeah but
undefeated, still going to be LAKnight uh, yep, I'll agree with
everything you're saying yep,by far, no question, that is
Jacob Fatu uh, but for anothermatch on the card is Tiffany
Straton versus Charlotte Flairfor the WWE Women's Championship
(11:17):
, and this rivalry has beenreally heated ever since that um
one promo.
That was kind of like it was abad promo and also good at the
same time it was what they calla shoot promo.
Yeah, it was super off script.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It was what they call a shoot promo.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, from that moment it started, but I mean
they had to be.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, Tiffany went off script a little bit because
of what happened when they weredoing the sit-down interview.
Yeah, I think they were doingthe um, the sit-down interview,
yeah.
And I think charlotte went offscript now, yeah, and it messed
tiffany up and she, she kind ofgot um she admitted it too she
kind of got flabbergasted andshe didn't know what to do
because she was new.
(11:57):
So she realized that, okay, I'mgonna get her back when we go
back.
You can only get her back isthat the 013 reference yep?
that was completely off scriptand you can tell the way
Charlotte reacted to it.
She didn't have a comeback toit, that's how you tell.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I think that's why Tiffany Stratton left the ring
so quick.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
She did, of course.
Of course she did.
She probably would saysomething else right then, but
she said she left the ring rightthen.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
yeah, uh, but yeah, oh, uh, but it's I mean, it's
charlotte flair, uh, uh, as soonas she comes back, she's almost
guaranteed um to win.
But it is in las vegas.
So you know, luck is always oneverybody's side, and and maybe
(12:40):
luck isn't on people's sidetoday, uh, tonight, but um, uh,
but I don't know.
Um, I think, um, tiffanyStratton is gonna lose this
match to Charlotte Flair.
You think so amazing match, butTiffany loses, hmm, hmm before
(13:07):
that promo happened, I wouldhave said Charlotte Flair.
What before the 0-3 promo Mm-hmm.
Now, I don't know what makesyou change your mind.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Because I don't know which way, because Charlotte
doesn't need to build.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, but Charlotte Flair though.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Tiffany hasn't defended her build that much.
You know, it's almost like the.
I understand Charlotte'sCharlotte Flair, I get it, but
she beat Asuka, she beat RheaRipley.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh yeah, she beat her once.
She beat Rhea Ripley.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yes, she did oh yeah, she beat her once, yeah, yeah,
she's beating all these youngnot young people that are called
Asuka, but these new peoplethat are the and kill their
momentum.
She's like the female John Cena, you know.
Like she's getting people thatare starting up burying them and
not caring about it, Like shedoesn't need the belt.
Like, look at what Roman Reignshas been doing.
(14:07):
We'll get to him later.
Look at what Roman Reigns hasbeen doing with the belt.
He's still selling tickets.
He's still being entertainingwithout the belt in his hand.
You know, CM Punk, same way.
They're still entertaining.
Charlotte Farris should be ableto do the same.
She should be able to do thesame thing like Roman Reigns.
If she's that good, she's beendoing the same thing Roman
Reigns is doing without a belt.
(14:27):
Seth Rollins, CM Punk all theseguys.
If she needs the belt to berelevant, then is it about the
belt or is it her?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I'm just saying, I'm just saying Like for real, Like
she's what 14-time women.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Two more she'd have her dead.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
He was for like 30 years, she's only 10 years in
she's 10 years in she's bound tobe at this point.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
She's like 10 years in and got 14 belts.
That's more than one a year.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Damn, I didn't even realize Exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's what I'm saying.
That's not even a whole newbelt in one year.
That's quick time of reign.
I mean she wins the belt andthen loses it, wins it, loses it
, wins, loses.
Like at least like Roman Reignsor Triple H.
Those guys don't have that manytitle reigns because they
helped the belt for.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
so long yeah.
If you look at Roman Reigns,instead, I think he only has
four, four or five.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean Bruno.
How many times did he have abelt?
Not that many.
I think like only two but hehad the belt for like 15 years
yeah.
I mean which one is moreimportant holding the belt long
or having the most title reigns.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I mean for your stats .
I personally think that it'smost.
I mean look at John Cena.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He's on his 20 plus years of wrestling and he's at
was Tyrus 16 right.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And he's at 16.
20 plus years of wrestling yeah, he's been close to 17.
Hadn't even got it yet.
Will probably get it thisweekend, but look how far he has
to go.
Charlotte is right there.
You mean, tell me 10 more years.
He can't get two more wins.
Yeah, two more wins.
Yeah, three more wins, fourmore wins, championship wins,
(16:10):
and then break John Cena'srecord or whoever else, or Randy
Orton if he gets a couple morewins.
I mean so, yeah, I don't know.
I mean Timmy Stratton.
I'm sorry I went a little rightthere, but Timmy Stratton.
I think Timmy Stratton needs towin and she deserves to win and
she's been doing good.
Her promos have been way betterthan when she started off at
(16:31):
NXT.
I think Louis Kaiser's beenhelping her out a ton.
I mean he doesn't get a lot ofcredit himself.
I mean he definitely deservesmore credit for himself.
I mean Gunter.
I mean, yeah, gunter gets allthe credit because he's a world
champion.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But people, forget about Kizer being just as good
as Guntur is.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
As far as a wrestler promo guy all-around wrestler
too yeah you know, maybe he'llget a mid-carp run sometime this
year as well.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's what everybody wanted for Survivor Series.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, Maybe he'll get another one sometime this year
too.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, everything.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I agree with what you're saying, except.
Tiffany winning yeah, if youpick a Tiffany away.
That's just a losing bet.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
But yeah, that's what you see.
Okay, but for the opening,actually the opening for the, I
think opening right, like it'sgood there, which is J who's
this place, this place, it, theysaid they're just going to
probably open the card up, andwe'll know until it comes on,
but they said it's going to openup though.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
They said it's going to open up Saturday, and then
the women's triple threat isgoing to open up Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I think that's what he said, yeah it's for the World
Heavyweight Championship and JYeet-a-mania, yeah, but there's
always one like that yeah, youhad a yes movement, you had the
Kofi-mania.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, I mean you always have something like that
every few years and those guysfinish the story.
You know Daniel Bryan won.
You know the yes movement.
Kofi Kingston won doing theKofi-mania Yep.
Can Jey Uso win doing the yeetmovement?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Mm doing the Yeet movement or Yeet Mania, can he
win?
Yeah, but yeah.
But like you're saying, yeah,yeet Mania.
And like I was saying, but likeyou said, all those people
overcome, and I think heovercomes the challenge and I
think Jimmy Uso comes out postmatch.
You think so?
Yep, yep.
(18:30):
So I'm picking Jey Uso.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Do I go with my heart or do I go with my brain?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I guess your heart is going Jey Uso, but your brain
is going Gunther.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yep, exactly Because I want to see Jey Uso in it.
It's a great story.
I mean being the backup toRoman, then being the right-hand
man to Roman, then getting beatdown by Roman hell in a cell,
then leaving the bloodline,becoming a Jey Uso, then leaving
the bloodline, becoming a majorJ-Hood soul, then becoming the
(19:11):
geek movement, going through allthat, challenging Gunther
losing, winning the Royal Rumble, beating John Cena in the Royal
Rumble, to be exact.
Challenging Gunther goingthrough that storyline which
kind of fell off a little bit,then picked back up Gunther
beating down Jimmy.
I mean, pretty much, you do itoutside of wrestling.
(19:33):
You're going to jail for that.
But but Jey Uso as a worldchampion, if Kofi can do it, jay
can do it that's your mindset,yep if Sammy can beat Gunther,
(20:03):
jay can beat Gunther goodmindset, as long as he doesn't
come out playing.
You cannot play around withGunther.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
He will destroy you if you do, jay was looking to be
good, good mindset, good months, as long as he doesn't come out
playing.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
You cannot play around with going through.
You will destroy you if you do.
I wonder what his ring gear isgonna look like.
Don't know.
Blow, why maybe.
Yeah, hey, blow white, white,blue, mm-hmm, but we'll see.
But yeah, I got a date, so I'llget a loser with that one.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yep, but we'll see.
But yeah, I got J Lo, so I'llget J Lo.
So with that one, yep, yeahthat's what you're going to say
for that one Yep, that's it,okay.
And in the main event it'sRoman Reigns versus Seth Rollins
versus CM Punk.
Main event that fast, yeah, allright, With Paul Heyman in CM
Punk's corner.
Man that's a good one, yeah, andfor this one I mean I might be
(20:56):
a little bit biased, becauseSeth Rollins is probably my
favorite professional wrestler,at least in WWE.
But yeah, I think it's going tobe a moment between Saffron as
a CM Punk and they're bothtalking to Paul Heyman, and then
Saffron's going to take thatopportunity because he is the
visionary and the architect.
(21:17):
So I think he's going to planout his moves and overcome CM
Punk and Roman Reigns, but I donot think that he's going to
join Poe.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Who?
Seth Rollins.
So who do y'all win?
Seth Rollins, seth Rollins.
Now here's my dilemma with this.
Seth Rollins is 100% correct ineverything he's said so far
leading up to the resume.
(21:54):
Roman Reigns shows up when hewants to, but he's earned that
right to do it, just like Brockdid.
That's in his contract.
He can do what he wants to.
That's in his contract.
He's a prize fighter.
He doesn't have to show up whenhe wants to.
He shows up when he wants to,not when he has to when he wants
to.
That's in his contract.
He doesn't.
He's a.
He's a prize fighter.
He doesn't have to show up whenhe wants to.
He shows up when he wants to,not when he has to, when he has
to.
You know so, not every week,but big time fights.
(22:19):
Is that good for the fans?
No, is it good to have a worldchampion when he's a world
champion who's not on TV formonths at a time?
Used to be if you didn't defendthe belt for more than a month,
your belt got stripped from you, then From Reigns.
Get the belt and don't defendit for two or three months.
Nobody says anything about it.
Like Sir Frum said, is thatgood for the business If other
(22:43):
wrestlers, if other newwrestlers, younger wrestlers
come up acting like they want tohave that same treatment.
Is that good for wrestlers tobe like that and not want to
show up to work and win achampionship and not want to
come to work?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Nope, and sometimes not all the times, but CM Punk
that's a thing too, just like CMPunk.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Cm Punk left for nine years Bad mouthed WWE for years
Sued him bad mouthed.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
LB for years, suit him.
Like Seth Rollins said, hetried to burn the flag and then
raised it up with everybody else.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Exactly he left LB, talked bad about him for years,
sued him.
People still cheer for CM Punk.
Years after years after years,you still heard CM Punk in every
arena.
You still heard CM Punk chantalmost every single time.
Chicago went crazy.
Cm Punk chants and he neveronce said anything about it, not
(23:36):
one thank you or nothing.
And then, before AEW was even athing, wwe chanted CM Punk.
And where does he come back to?
Like Seth Rollins said, not WWE, not the people who've been
loyally with him for 9, 10 years.
Yeah, it's AEW.
He went to AEW.
Nothing wrong with that.
He can do what he wants to do.
He's a grown guy.
(23:56):
He's a grown man.
He can wrestle where he wantsto wrestle at.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But, like Seth Rollins said, the guys who gave
you the biggest paycheck.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, the big fat check, the big fat check which
is AEW.
And what happened to AEW?
You did good for a little bitand what happened to AEW?
The same thing happened to meoriginally.
You burnt the bridge, you gotinto a fight over I think it was
Glass or something like that.
It was a real Glass versus fakeGlass whatever it was, you vs
fake glass, whatever it was.
Got into a fight backstage, gotfired, world champion had the
(24:31):
bill got fired or whatever case.
And then he came back to WWE,like Seth Rollins basically was
saying would he be in WWE rightnow if he never left AEW?
or would he still be in AEW,like Dean Ambrose or Jon Moxley,
as Pratt and Young.
(24:52):
See what I'm saying.
Yeah, that's what Seth Rollinsis saying.
What Seth Rollins is saying isCM Punk doesn't care about the
fans.
I'm a CM Punk fan, as you cansee.
I'm a CM Punk fan by far, but,like Seth Rollins is saying,
it's true, like I wanted to seea Punk come back for 10 years.
(25:12):
I was waiting for him to comeback Anytime I was in Chicago.
This might be a time.
This might be a time For years,never.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And then, when it finally happened, you didn't
think it was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
And then, when it finally happened, I never
thought anything would happened.
You didn't think it was gonnahappen.
If I haven't ever thought Ididn't have anything to happen,
I said he's not coming backbecause the way he left I didn't
know him too much had a phonecall.
Yeah, right before that, youknow, I know he had a phone call
with that.
But it happened.
He came back.
It seems like he's a differentperson.
He's a little older now.
He's not the young guy anymorelike he was when he left
original 10 years.
But he did lose 10 years of hislife, of his wrestling career,
(25:52):
which is a long time towrestling, yeah, you know.
Now he's going to be sevenyears, I think, total, I think
to AEW first for about two years.
I think two years, I think so.
Like, I think two years, Ithink so.
Like Seth Rollins said, the wayCM Punk did, just get your,
take your ball and lead whenstuff gets hard.
(26:12):
Do you want the young kids todo that?
Like Seth Rollins said, thismatch is for the future of the
company and me personally as awrestling fan.
For 30 years now at least 30years now I like my champion on
TV every week, if not every week, a wrestling fan for 30 years
now, at least 30 years now.
I like my champion on TV everyweek.
(26:33):
If not every week, every otherweek, I like to see my champs on
TV.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
These are some really good points, but the main point
is who wins the match?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's what I'm getting to.
I won't see him puncture winbecause I'm a fan of his, but
for the sake of pro wrestling Ineed Seth Rollins to win.
Like I won't see him Punk towin because I'm a fan of seeing
Punk, but for the sake of prowrestling I need Seth Rollins to
(27:06):
win.
That's like Seth Rollins sayswrestling I need Seth Rollins to
win.
That's like Seth Rollins says.
We need somebody like SethRollins for the kids, like
somebody who's going to show upday in, day out.
Hurt messed up, knee messed up,back shoulder messed up.
Whatever.
The case is Just like when Codycame up with that bicep pick
(27:27):
tear Wrestling match againstSeth Rollins.
Matter of fact.
Then we had to do how he gotsurgery.
When he got surgery, sethRollins' WrestleMania last year
Hobbling on.
You see, when he got in thering with the chair, his knee
was soaked.
For him he couldn't get in thering.
That's why it took him so longto get in the ring when the shit
was going on.
That's why I take him so long toget in the ring.
He couldn't even get in thering because his knee was so
(27:49):
jacked up.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah.
Back was messed up and you'vegot to think he wrestled a match
right before that or rightafter that, and he took time off
after that match too, becausehe was hurt.
You've got to think hisschedule for WrestleMania 40.
He had a like a crazy longmatch, a first night and the
second night the openback-to-back wrestling matches,
(28:11):
and then at the end he still, hestill comes out for the sake of
professional wrestling to getthe bell from rain to get the
coat of robes.
Yep, and that's what needed tobe and that's what needed to be
done.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Everyone still might have been champion if it wasn't
for that yep, and so, for thesake of pro wrestling, I need
Seth Rollins to win.
That's what I'm going with, Imean.
But this build up though backto the second, this build up has
been amazing.
Like I thought it was justgoing to be Seth Rollins and CM
Punk.
(28:42):
I didn't think about RomanReigns at first.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I was trying to figure out how Roman Reigns was
going to insert himself intothis match, because I knew Seth
Rollins and CM Punk since dayone.
When CM Punk came back, I knew,okay, seth Rollins and CM Punk
wrestled WrestleMania.
I knew that from day one.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It was either going to be Seth Rollins and CM Punk
or Drew McIntyre and CM Punk.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
But because CM Punk and Drew McIntyre had their feud
pretty much that whole rest ofthe year leading to this year.
Yes, that was up with.
So then it's okay, Seth Rollinsand CM Punk would have a feud
at WrestleMania.
Didn't even think about RomanReigns having a feud.
Yeah, I mean, it makes perfectsense.
The way it happened.
He interfered in the Steel Cagematch.
(29:21):
Well, broke Roman first,elimination first, then came
back in the Steel Cage match,pulled Seth Rollins out, called
Seth Rollins to win but in theprocess stopped Seth Rollins
from destroying CM Punk.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
But also called CM Punk to match.
So now Seth Rollins was mad atRoman Reigns because he stopped
him from beating down CM Punk.
Cm Punk mad at Roman Reignsbecause he caused him to lose.
They both were mad at RomanReigns cause he caused him to
lose mhm.
So both of them are mad atRoman Reigns yeah, and it was
also.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
There was already the tension between Seth Rollins
and CM Punk, so that was alreadythere, exactly, that's already
there when you put Roman Reignsinto there, it's just a trio,
it's just a, a trio of features,and then we know what Seth
Rollins Reigns.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
History is.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And I'm sure, cm Punk and Roman Reigns with the Paul
Heyman situation.
And then we got Paul Heyman inthe mix, one of the greatest
voices, managers in history ofwrestling.
Like I said before, we'retexting.
If you don't put Paul Heyman inthe top three of your greatest
managers, you're not aprofessional wrestler.
He's up there, he's top three.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I don't know if he's two or three.
Yeah, I mean, for my list he'snumber one.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
He's top three and I don't think he's two or three.
So, but the question is what isPaul Heyman going to do?
Is he going to turn on CM Punkor on Reigns?
Speaker 1 (30:55):
and become.
Seth.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Rollins for, like you said, for the second pro
wrestling punk, and I kind ofwant to see Paul Heyman drop
with Seth Rollins and see whatthat looks like.
I've already seen him with CMPunk.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I think Seth Rollins would be great with Paul Heyman.
I've already seen him with.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
He was technically Paul Heyman, already with the
Shield oh yeah, technicallybecause, remember, if you listen
to what Seth Rollins said, itwas Paul Heyman who made the
call for the shield to come upwith help to see him in the
first place.
We didn't know that, but that'swhat Seth Rollins said in the
interview, that Paul Heyman madethat call for them to come out
and help see him punk out.
(31:36):
So and what's that favor?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Paul Heyman owes Super Awesome favor.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I mean technically not, that doesn't make any sense
, but it's a favor.
What?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I'm saying is he could have stuffed his face in,
and then he would not have beenarrested.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, but he didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
You owe me a favor now.
I saved you.
I could have done this, but Ididn't.
You're welcome, now you owe me.
Yeah, it yes kind of messed up,but that's what happened, just
like Roman Reigns.
Roman Reigns didn't agree tothe give CM Punk no favor yeah
he didn't ask for no help.
That was Paul Heyman agreed toa favor.
(32:22):
Roman Reigns didn't need thathelp.
He was good at going followingforward at WarGames.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
He was good with that .
He needed that fifth guy yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So yeah, but yeah, seth Rollins, I think saw him
want to win or need to win,rather Need Seth Rollins to win
this match.
But yeah, anything else, Ithink it'll be a good night one.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yep, it sure is Anything else going on.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Nope, good Yep, all right With that being said, I'm
Ben, I'm Bash.
It's a new episode of Tag TeamTalk.
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