August 29, 2025 • 27 mins
The Ben and Bash podcast delivers a preview of WWE's Clash in Paris, analyzing each match on the card and making predictions based on storylines and wrestler momentum.
• Deep dive into the Sheamus vs. Rusev Donnybrook match and its stipulations involving barrels and weapons
• John Cena vs. Logan Paul, including speculation about potential Brock Lesnar involvement
• Discussion of Becky Lynch defending her Women's Intercontinental Championship against Nikki Bella
• Breakdown of Roman Reigns vs. Bronson Reed's "shoe feud" and the importance of this match for Reed's career
• Examination of the World Heavyweight Championship Fatal 4-Way and Seth Rollins' advantages despite the match stipulation
• Commentary on WWE's booking decisions, including the limited women's matches on the card
• Excitement about the Paris crowd and whether they'll match last year's electric Backlash atmosphere
Ready for our predictions? Listen now and see if you agree with our picks for who's leaving Paris with championship gold and momentum.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the Ben and Bash podcast tag team talk.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm Ben.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm Bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash podcast tag team talk.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, here we are for another one.
We are going to be doing Clashin Paris.
So last time they were in Pariswas back in Backlash last year,
yeah.
So we know how that crowd wasCrazy and so, yeah, we're
looking forward to another one.
Seeing how the crowd's going toreact, and so, yeah, let's get
(00:34):
to it.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
All right, and the first match on the card is
Sheamus versus Rusev in a goodold-fashioned Donnybrook match.
So like is that just an extrememoves match.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's.
I think Sheamus has been in allof them so far.
It's been like two, three.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Who was the other one against?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I know he had one against Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Oh, I know that for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I think Drew won that one and I want to say he had
one when he was with the Brutes.
Yeah, probably I think they hadone, but I got to go double
check on that one.
So it should be like the secondor third match, it should have
been all of them.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So like what is it?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's kind of like a no qualification match, uh-huh,
but it has some stuff I can'tremember what it is some stuff
around a ring that's like like Ithink I can't remember like
what is it?
What do?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
you call it a chalet?
Yeah, I think it's.
I think I heard it's a barreloutside Some barrel.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Okay, you know barrels and stuff like that TLC
match.
And TLC match got all thetables, lazarus, turned around,
but it's like other stuff aroundthe matches there what does
Donnie Brook mean?
This is his name of probably aplace I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I don't know what they call it but anyways, I mean
, I I don't even know for thisone, but I would probably say
Arusa cause didn't Sheamus wintheir last match?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, was it 1-1?
Right now?
What's the count on Sheamusversus Rusev?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I don't even know how many times they faced each
other.
I know, Rusev won the firstmatch and then Sheamus won the
other match.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So this is the third match.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, so this is the tiebreaker.
So yeah, but who do you havefor that?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Probably Sheamus.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Why is that?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, I think this is going to put him straight into
the IC title division.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Why not Russo?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I mean, yeah, but like I don't know, just
Sheamus's career would mean moreIf he had the IC title, because
it's the only Title that heneeds.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, but he also has Something to look forward to
Too.
He can keep on Wrestling fortoo.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know, I mean which one needs.
Which one needs, I mean Russojust came back.
He just came back From you know,being in AEW.
So it's like who, who need?
So it's like who would do morefrom a win in that match?
So are you picking Sheamus?
So I'm going to pick Rusev.
(03:15):
So that way, yeah, I'm pickingRusev.
I think Rusev benefits morefrom this match than Sheamus
does.
Sheamus is definitely Sheamus.
He's going to put on a goodmatch.
So they call him bangers afterbangers.
Right, rusev would benefit more, I think, because he just came
back.
He's trying to reinsert himselfinto a title picture, whether
(03:41):
it's IC title or worldchampionship or whatever, you
know.
I mean, you know they have ahistory.
Before they were in the Leagueof Nations group with Wade
Barrett and Alberto.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
They have history before that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I think it might have been around, I don't know, I
can't remember before that.
I don't remember they were in agroup together.
I know that, but I can'tremember much before that.
Maybe they had a if they weretogether or not before that.
But yeah, so they have a littlehistory, they know each other.
I got Rusev winning that onejust because I think he will
benefit more from a win thanSheamus.
I mean, this is not going to bea top-tier match, this is going
(04:24):
to be a fight is what it is.
You know, you know so.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But yeah, that's all I got for that one but yeah, so
for the next match on the cardis John Cena versus Logan Paul
which I'm still confused on whyLogan Paul got in this match.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I know why he's Logan Paul, but for John Cena
retirement tour.
This is one of the guys who'swrestling John Cena well,
they've been winning this match.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
To be fair, the fans have been winning this match
since WrestleMania 39 yeah, Imean they did have a tag team.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
They did tag team together earlier in the year.
Yeah, was it against Cody andJay?
Uh-huh, so they did tag teamearlier this year.
I mean, john Cena looks like heturned back to a baby face now
and Luke Paul is still alone inPaul, and so I guess this
finalizes their chapter, theirbreakup kind of yeah, which I
think you know.
But yeah, who do you think isgoing to happen in the match?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Some people are thinking that Brock Lesnar is
going to come out and then makeJohn Cena lose.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, because we don't know what Nick Aldridge is
going to say to John Cena.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Remember, as the SmackDown was going off, he came
out and was like well, he saidI just heard from Brock Lesnar.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, I just heard from Brock Lesnar.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And that's it.
And then he got hit.
So did Nick Aldridge tell JohnCena the news after he woke up?
Probably?
Not or did he not tell him andforgot to tell him?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Because he probably forgot to, because he was
rushing to help him out.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That's what I'm saying.
So we don't know what BrockLesnar told Nick Aldridge.
Is he going to be in Paris?
Is he going to be in Paris?
Is he going to be on SmackDown?
Is he challenging John Cena toanother match?
Yeah, I mean somewhere else.
I mean we don't know.
That's the thing.
So, yeah, who do you havecoming out on top of this match?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Logan Paul.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Logan Paul.
Yeah, I was thinking Logan Paultoo, especially because John
Cena doesn't have the worldtitle anymore.
And he doesn't have the worldtitle anymore.
He can lose more matches now.
Obviously, when he had theworld title, he couldn't lose,
because he had the world title.
Whoever beats him is the worldchampion, right?
So now, without having theworld title, it's just like the
(06:42):
Goldberg-Gunther match right nowwithout him having the world
title.
It's just like theGoldberg-Gunther match, right?
Yeah, like I said before, Iknew Goldberg was not winning
that match.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Because Gunther had the world title.
Yep, hey, gunther not had theworld title, I probably would
have picked Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You would.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Because he has nothing to win.
If he wins that match, Mm-hmm,there's no title on the line.
They said this was his lastmatch.
He's not going to win a match.
Take the world title and retire.
That was John Cena's wholething.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So there was no way he was going to win a title in
his last match.
Yeah, but had he not had theworld title on the line, I would
have probably picked Goldberg,or been leaning more toward
Goldberg to win, because he hadnothing to win if he won it
besides his last match.
There was no title on the line,it was just Gunther, and
Gunther could take a lossagainst Goldberg.
It doesn't matter.
Yep, you know Goldberg beatother guys for titles, you know
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so.
But back to what I'm sayingabout this just like John.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
There's no title on one of them.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So Logan Paul could very well win this match.
That being said, I don't thinkthat John Cena is going to lose
this match, unless Brock Lesnarinterferes in the match, I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's almost a 50-50.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's close, because Logan Paulcould easily win this match.
Yeah, yeah, and, like I saidbefore, which one benefits him
more, it benefits Logan Paul tobeat John Cena.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, it's like John Cena beats people like Logan
Paul, every single night.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It benefits him, just like it did Kevin Owens and
just like it did Austin Theory.
Yeah, those guys won thosematches and they kept talking
about beating John Cena.
So Logan Paul could use thatmomentum and beating John Cena.
Yep, you know.
But that being said, I don'tsee John Cena losing right now.
(08:40):
Not right now, not until hefaces Brock Lesnar or whoever
else he's going to face.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You think he's going to lose to Brock.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Lesnar, I don't know, it depends.
I mean, I know he's still—Ithink people want to see him
versus Roman Reigns again onelast time.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Brock Lesnar versus Roman Reigns or John Cena no,
John Cena versus Roman Reigns.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
John Cena versus Roman Reigns, john Cena versus
Brock Lesnar.
I mean there's a few other guysyou can throw in there too.
John Cena versus Rey Mysteriowould have been a good one, but
Rep Serial, like he's still hurt, he's not coming back this year
the way it looks, yeah.
But so yeah, I'm going withJohn Cena in this match, but
it's really 50-50 on this one.
(09:19):
But yeah, I think John Cena'sgoing to pull it out.
Like I said, the only I thinkBradley's not going to interfere
in this match.
I'm leaning more.
I think Logan Paul may Hall maywin, but I don't know if he's
going to show up in Paris.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Why not?
He may, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
He may, I don't know.
He might, yeah, but if hedoesn't, I got John Cena winning
.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yep, so but anyways.
Yeah, but for the next match onthe card is Becky Lynch versus
Nikki Bella for the WWE Women'sIntercontinental Championship by
the way, the only Women'sIntercontinental Championship,
by the way, the only women'smatch on here.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, the only women's match for women, because
we know Naomi.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, but like it's not, like they have like one
hour to throw this together.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
They had two weeks.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You're right, they had three weeks, and they could
have had Io versus StephanieBlack-Harris.
Finally ended that thing.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, they're saving that match, they're saving the
Stephanie match for, uh, RussellPalooza.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, but that doesn't make I mean for ESPN,
obviously.
But but if you skip, it's likesay like, like this, almost like
, say, brock Lesnar's supposedto wrestle John Cena and then
John Cena just gets hurt, yeah,and then they have not not
somebody else except BrockLesnar, yeah, like, and John
(10:37):
Cena gets injured.
They have three weeks.
They want to put this guy whoJohn Cena is facing on the card.
They have three weeks to puthim on there.
They can't put him on there inthree weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, exactly that could be the, but I think they
want to save it for us.
Those are the way it looks.
Yeah, want to save it for Raza.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Palooza the way it looks.
Yeah, for the people who don'thave a subscription to ESPN and
buy a subscription to ESPN,exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But here's what they could have done.
What this is what they couldhave done.
They could have.
They could have went with Juliadefended her United States
Championship on the card againstwhoever doesn't matter, or you
could have.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
She's supposed to face Meechan tomorrow, I think.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
On Friday night somebody will yeah.
Or you could have went withTiffany Stratton to finish her
bill.
Just put another woman I meanyou probably have two women's
matches on this card.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Wait when is Jade versus Tiffany.
Oh no, that already happened.
That already happened.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So what I'm saying is you're supposed to have two win
matches on this card.
You could have put two winmatches on the card.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You could have easily put Tiffany against anybody or
Julia against anybody, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I mean, what about the tag team women's champions?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, they've been on a huge— you could put them on
the card.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They're supposed to.
About the tag team women'schampions yeah, they've been on
a huge.
You can put them on the card.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
They're supposed to face the secret.
There's so many matches theycould have put on this card and
also yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I understand you wanted a world title match with
Stephanie versus Naomi.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
We understand Naomi can't wrestle right now, you
know.
Congrats to her and Big Jim.
But but you can do a detour.
You know that's what happenswhen you're driving down the
street and the road is closed.
You take a detour, you goanother way.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
To still get to where you want to go to.
So you still could have gotStephanie or whoever else, or
Tiffany, or Tag Team, or Julia,or whoever they're all going to
be there in Paris, or whoeverthey're all going to be there in
Paris.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And also the number one thing I know you said
earlier that AJ Styles versusDominic is going to be in the
same place as the Leon crowd, orwhatever I think it's in Leon.
I know Friday or Monday is inLeon and even if it is, it's
just, I feel like the crowdwould be better on a PLE.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Sure, but it's the same venue, though, that they
had back last year, so it shouldbe a similar crowd, which is
why I think that's why they putthat on that and not the PLE Yep
, because it's five matches too,so I wonder what match they
used the five matches on PLEs,right, yep?
So I wonder what match theyadded instead of Naomi,
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stephanie Becky.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Lynch and no Becky.
Roman Reigns and Bronson Reedwas already a thing, and then
Becky Lynch and Nikki Bella gotannounced on the thing yeah, but
um, but yeah so so, but anyways.
Becky, and Becky and Nikki yeah, I don't think Nikki Bella is
winning yeah so I'm gonna sayBecky Lynch yeah, I don't think
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Nikki's gonna win either.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I mean it should be a good match.
It's her first singles match ina while, since she met the
other day, but I wanna seewhat's going on with Bailey.
They've been showing her kindof like a split personality type
thing.
If you notice, there was twoother Bailey's talking to her
yesterday.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, there was the what, the hugger Bailey and the
2021 heel Bailey.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The ding dong Bailey.
Yeah, they're both.
So you started with one, thenyou started with these two.
Are you going to have a thirdone?
Uh from the you know what Imean.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Like are you going to have a third Bailey or are they
going to just keep the three?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And she fight between those three like herself and
those these, the old one and theill one, or it's going to be a
new personality that comes out.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Mm-hmm, because, like most things are like that, in
like movies and also just inLike all the things together
inform this new personality.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Exactly so.
Are you going to have a newpersonality that all of a sudden
emerges, that's completelydifferent than all the other
ones, and take over?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And this be the new Bailey, whether it's the baby
face or heel, which is leaningmore toward a heel Bailey, what
it looks like.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And then she's going to probably feud with somebody,
maybe Becky, to try to get hertitle back, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I think she's going to feud with the world champ
though.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, I don't know who she's going to feud with,
but I'm just saying, whateverthey're doing with her, they're
getting her ready for something.
You know she's getting readyfor something, but anyways.
So that being said, I thinkBecky's going to win and keep
defending her belt, you know?
I mean like Becky or hate Becky, she's Becky Lynch.
(15:19):
You know, she's the man, as theycall her.
Promos have been good, hermatches have been good.
She's came back.
She's been on fire, as they say, you know.
So with that, I don't seeanybody beating her right now
for it.
I'm sure somebody will come upand challenge her eventually,
but for right now I don't seeNikki beating her.
(15:40):
She's been at the game too long.
She still needs a couple morematches, I think, to get herself
back in the one-on-one space, Ithink.
But this is a good match forher to get back, to see kind of
where she's at as far as one ofthe top women in the NINJWB, by
the rest, in general, so yeah,you know.
But yeah, that's it for that one.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That's all I got for that.
So well, I yeah, I said BeckyLynch too.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, I said Becky Lynch too.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And for the next match, that's what you're going
to say yeah, that Next matchit's Roman Reigns versus Bronson
Reed For the shoe of fallout.
I'm pretty sure, because I'mpretty sure Roman Reigns is
going to take his shoe.
That's what I would do if I wasin this match.
If I beat my opponent and theyhave my shoes, I'm taking back
my shoes.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean, it's the tribal thief.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I mean he's taking his shoes back.
Try to take his shoes again onMonday.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So I think—.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You got a man to take your shoes like that.
I got to fight you.
Yeah, you ain't, finna.
Take my shoes like that andwalk around with them around
your neck, mm-hmm, you know,only thing worse than wearing
them around your neck isactually wearing them, and just
wearing them.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
You know I mean.
So Ron Reigns got his right tobe know.
This dude didn't have a beltfor four or five years.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, you know.
So I mean, I feel like you'reprobably going to say Roman
Reigns, but I think Bronson Reedneeds this win more Because
it's Roman Reigns, Then yeah, Ijust think Bronson Reed needs
this win a lot more.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I'm right there with you on that one.
I'm right there.
I think the same thing.
Bronson Reed benefits way morebecause Roman Reigns is Roman
Reigns.
He's just almost like you saidwith the Logan Paul and John
Cena thing John Cena is JohnCena.
He's not gonna be worse orbetter from fighting Logan Paul,
just like Roman Reigns.
He's not gonna be worse orbetter from losing Logan Paul,
(17:37):
just like Roman Reigns, he's notgoing to be worse or better
from losing to Bronson.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Reed yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know, but Bronson Reed now, if he can beat Roman
Reigns, he'd be one of the fewguys in the last five years
who's beat Roman Reigns in amatch.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, dang.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Like it's only been a few guys in the last five years
.
Who's beat Roman Reigns in aone-on-one match?
Mm years who's beat RomanReigns in a one-on-one match,
not like a tag team match, butlike a one-on-one match.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Are you counting Seth Rollins?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
That's what I'm saying.
A one-on-one match Like adisqualification.
Yeah, but I'm just saying theone-on-one pin on the Reigns.
It's only been a handful ofguys in the last five years
who's beat him and the triplethreat Roman Reigns got.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But I know it's not a one-on-one.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Exactly what I'm saying.
There's only been so many guyswho's beat on the rain, since
he's been the tribal chief, yep,you know and so Brunson Reed,
who's also known as Samoan,which we can't overlook, that.
Yeah, I forgot that until hementioned it which is like he
was saying I don't know thehistory of it like that, but it
sounds like he knew the historyon the rain, knew the history of
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it.
That has happened before wherepeople have been exiled from
certain places and sentsomewhere else.
Maybe it did happen whereSamoans exiled a group of
Samoans that went to Australiaand that became Bronson Reed.
Now, who knows?
But how bad do you have to beto get exiled from a place?
So if what Bronson Reed issaying is accurate, then yeah,
(18:57):
he's a dangerous guy, which weknow, that anyways from you.
Know his tsunamis or, as hesays, shoenamis.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Dang, I didn't know he was calling them that.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, they was calling them shoenamis at one
point.
So you're saying Bronson ReedYep, that's who you're sticking
with.
Mm-hmm, bronson Reed, that'swho you're sticking with, mm-hmm
.
See, I want to say Bronson Reedtoo, because I just he benefits
way more than Roman Reigns does.
Yeah, he does in terms of waymore Like Roman Reigns if he
(19:27):
loses his match.
He lost to Bronson Reed.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
If he wins it see.
Yeah, if he wins it see, toldyou he was going to win this
match.
Brunson Reed wins.
Now look at Seth Rollins.
Yeah, now look at what SethRollins did.
Look at what I did.
My guy beat Roman Reigns, youknow, and it helps elevate
Brunson Reed to a main eventplayer as well.
Yep, you know, because BraunBreaker's already there.
Seth Rollins is already there.
(19:52):
Yeah, paul Heyman is one of thebest managers, if not the best
manager.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
He's my favorite person, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
If he's in the top five, guaranteed that he's
usually one or two on managers.
It just depends on what styleyou like.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I'm going to go with that one and pick Bronson Reed
as well to win that.
So yeah, we'll see how thatgoes.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Mm-hmm, yeah, but anyways, for the main event,
it's Seth Rollins versus CM Punkversus Jey Uso versus LA Knight
for the World HeavyweightChampionship and a fatal foley.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Which means that the champion does not have to get
pinned to lose his match, whichis an unfair advantage for Seth
Rollins.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
An unfair disadvantage.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, it's a disadvantage.
Yeah, you said advantage.
There's four guys in this matchand there's three guys.
That's not the champion.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So any of those three guys can pin the other one and
they win the championship.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But if they just listen to CM Punk, I know CM
Punk, I mean over the years he'snot been a trustable guy, but
when he's making a fair pointyou gotta just trust him a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, but if you watch the NFRall, they were all
fighting each other.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, I know, and that shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It shouldn't have, but it did so.
Now they're going to the PLEwith tensions higher.
Instead of them worrying aboutSeth Rollins, they're worrying
about each other.
Now you know.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
If I was Seth Rollins , I would try to manipulate them
into fighting each other.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's what he already did, yeah, so he's
already like that.
That's why he told Bron Breakerhold on, hold on, look what
they're doing.
They're doing it for him, he.
Whatever he was trying to do,they did it for him, yeah, and
so, with that being said, youhave to look at serfrance
(21:46):
retained for me anyways.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Oh yeah, and serfrance is definitely retained
is that who you're picking?
Yep, you got a reason whyyou're picking him because,
first of all, I don't want tosee serfrance lose the title,
and I don't think he's going tolose it this year.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And who does he lose it to?
The only one that benefits froma win technically is Ellie
Knight.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah.
So let me go down the list.
I don't think Ellie Knight'swinning.
I don't think Jey Uso winning.
Cm Punk has a slight chance ofBoston or Senior Moon.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, CM Punk just had the belt.
He lost it CM.
Punk just had the belt, he lostit.
Yeah, jey Uso had the belt, helost it.
La Knight's never had the beltbefore.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
You sound like you're about to pick LA Knight.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
No, no, I'm just saying who.
I'm just saying like LA Knightwould be the best one to win
this match because he benefitsbetter from being a world
champion, because the rest havebeen a world champion before.
But Seth Rollins is in his bagright now.
He is, he is on, he's on likeyou know what I mean.
Like he's up there right now.
His promos have been good, hiswrestling have been good.
(22:42):
I mean, he pulled the wholefake out.
What was he injured?
Is he not injured?
Greatest cash in behind his owncash and he had at wrestlemania
when he cashed in on roman andbrock yeah, imagine beating
yourself for the best in self.
Exactly, then his wife is doingwhat she's doing.
You know, they're probablythey're like the two best
wrestlers right now.
(23:02):
Yeah, as far as women go,especially Naomi's gone.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And also I think they're the greatest, greatest
couple in WWE.
They gotta be, but consideringathleticism is Bianca and Montez
Bian.
Disturbing athleticism isBianca and.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Montez, bianca and Montez are up there, but as far
as like accolades until Montezwins some world titles, I don't
know.
Seth and Becky are the top.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Oh, yeah, by far.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But once Montez reaches the top and wins the
world title, I'm putting Montezand Bianca as far as athleticism
, oh yeah, athleticism,athleticism.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And I think just overall, like I don't know
Because, like yeah, but yeah.
So I think Seth Rollins, likehe has two money in the bank
cash-ins, two of the best moneyin the bank cash-in biggie lynch
she had double belt back in hercontinent the man I mean yeah,
she's done wrestlemania.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Uh, main event at wrestlemania the first woman to
win a championship onwrestlemania yeah, first woman
to main event too.
And win that match.
And she beat Ronda Rousey andCharlotte Flair.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Mm-hmm, but yeah, definitely when Montez gets some
more titles they'll probably beup there, if not one yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
So they're probably two, three right now.
I can't think of anybody betterright now.
I mean, you've got theUndertaker and Michelle McCool.
They're up there because ofIron Taker's career, michelle.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
McCool was a women's wrestling champion, but, like
current wrestlers, that's whatI'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'm talking overall, like there's not many people
overall that you can put aboveBianca and Montez.
As far as couples go, yeah, youknow, we've actually got.
You know, macho man and allthat.
We can do that on a differenttopic Best Copics and the rest.
We do have another show, butyeah, so, with that being said,
(24:55):
I don't see.
Seth Rollins losing this match,he's going to find a way to win.
I mean, he still has BrockBreaker out there who doesn't
have a match, so he's going tobe fresh.
He's going to be ready to go.
He's going to be foaming at themouth, you know, barking all
over the place, so he's going tobe ready and you don't want him
outside the ring stalkingaround looking for people.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's a fatal four.
Yeah, and if the ref—wellactually the ref doesn't even
have a turn his back, it's afatal four.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Exactly, it's a fatal four.
So it doesn't matter what BrownBreaker does in this match.
You can do anything this matchand normally what's been
happening.
They break brand attacking guysand the other guys have been
coming out, Jay has been comingout, CM Punk's been coming out.
They fight each other.
Nobody's coming out for themnow.
So, they have nobody to comeout for them now.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Technically.
I mean, we know Jay got Jimmybut he don't think that's going
to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But yeah, so it's like he says Jimmy, so,
especially since Jimmy's out forthe baby.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
No, he's not going to be out yet yeah.
I mean no, he won't be outuntil later on this year.
Early next year Around RoyalRumble is when he'll probably
take off.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, I mean he's not there really any, except for
the solo Jacob story?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't know why I said Jacob, and where has Jacob
been at?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, I don't know.
I thought he would have had amatch with Solo or something on
this on this card.
I don't think on this card, butI mean I would have thought
Sami and Solo would have been onthis card exactly, but you say
that for Wrestle Clues that'sprobably the one.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, yeah, they're probably.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think they're wrestling this Friday again for
the title yeah, this Friday okayin Paris.
See, they're doing everythingthis Friday and next.
Well, it's.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Paris.
They're still in Paris.
You know, sometimes they haveto do it the day before they
have those matches, or the dayafter they have those matches.
But yeah, so Seth Rollins, Ithink, is going to win the main
event.
Retain his title, keep being,you know, seth freaking Rollins
like.
But yeah, so he gets thatbronze as well.
Yep.
(26:47):
Any more reasons why.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Because of Bonebreaker, and if Bronson Reed
wins against Roman Reigns, Ithink he can still help out a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, true, but yeah.
So I'm looking forward toseeing what happens in the Clash
of Clans, Seeing if the fanscan beat or live up to what
happened last year in Backlash.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Because that crowd was one of the best crowds I've
seen in a while, or heard in awhile, rather.
But yeah, we'll see if Paris,which is a bigger city, can live
up to the hype of being Paris.
Yep, but yeah, so yeah, anothergood weekend of wrestling, so
we'll see how everything goes.
With that being said, I'm Ben,I'm Dash In an.
Welcome to the Ben and Bash podcast tag team talk.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm Ben.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm Bash.
It's time to lace up your bootsand hit the mat with the Ben
and Bash podcast tag team talk.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, here we are for another one.
We are going to be doing Clashin Paris.
So last time they were in Pariswas back in Backlash last year,
yeah.
So we know how that crowd wasCrazy and so, yeah, we're
looking forward to another one.
Seeing how the crowd's going toreact, and so, yeah, let's get
(00:34):
to it.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
All right, and the first match on the card is
Sheamus versus Rusev in a goodold-fashioned Donnybrook match.
So like is that just an extrememoves match.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's.
I think Sheamus has been in allof them so far.
It's been like two, three.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Who was the other one against?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I know he had one against Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Oh, I know that for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I think Drew won that one and I want to say he had
one when he was with the Brutes.
Yeah, probably I think they hadone, but I got to go double
check on that one.
So it should be like the secondor third match, it should have
been all of them.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So like what is it?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's kind of like a no qualification match, uh-huh,
but it has some stuff I can'tremember what it is some stuff
around a ring that's like like Ithink I can't remember like
what is it?
What do?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
you call it a chalet?
Yeah, I think it's.
I think I heard it's a barreloutside Some barrel.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Okay, you know barrels and stuff like that TLC
match.
And TLC match got all thetables, lazarus, turned around,
but it's like other stuff aroundthe matches there what does
Donnie Brook mean?
This is his name of probably aplace I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I don't know what they call it but anyways, I mean
, I I don't even know for thisone, but I would probably say
Arusa cause didn't Sheamus wintheir last match?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, was it 1-1?
Right now?
What's the count on Sheamusversus Rusev?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I don't even know how many times they faced each
other.
I know, Rusev won the firstmatch and then Sheamus won the
other match.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So this is the third match.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, so this is the tiebreaker.
So yeah, but who do you havefor that?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Probably Sheamus.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Why is that?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, I think this is going to put him straight into
the IC title division.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Why not Russo?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I mean, yeah, but like I don't know, just
Sheamus's career would mean moreIf he had the IC title, because
it's the only Title that heneeds.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, but he also has Something to look forward to
Too.
He can keep on Wrestling fortoo.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know, I mean which one needs.
Which one needs, I mean Russojust came back.
He just came back From you know,being in AEW.
So it's like who, who need?
So it's like who would do morefrom a win in that match?
So are you picking Sheamus?
So I'm going to pick Rusev.
(03:15):
So that way, yeah, I'm pickingRusev.
I think Rusev benefits morefrom this match than Sheamus
does.
Sheamus is definitely Sheamus.
He's going to put on a goodmatch.
So they call him bangers afterbangers.
Right, rusev would benefit more, I think, because he just came
back.
He's trying to reinsert himselfinto a title picture, whether
(03:41):
it's IC title or worldchampionship or whatever, you
know.
I mean, you know they have ahistory.
Before they were in the Leagueof Nations group with Wade
Barrett and Alberto.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
They have history before that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I think it might have been around, I don't know, I
can't remember before that.
I don't remember they were in agroup together.
I know that, but I can'tremember much before that.
Maybe they had a if they weretogether or not before that.
But yeah, so they have a littlehistory, they know each other.
I got Rusev winning that onejust because I think he will
benefit more from a win thanSheamus.
I mean, this is not going to bea top-tier match, this is going
(04:24):
to be a fight is what it is.
You know, you know so.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But yeah, that's all I got for that one but yeah, so
for the next match on the cardis John Cena versus Logan Paul
which I'm still confused on whyLogan Paul got in this match.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I know why he's Logan Paul, but for John Cena
retirement tour.
This is one of the guys who'swrestling John Cena well,
they've been winning this match.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
To be fair, the fans have been winning this match
since WrestleMania 39 yeah, Imean they did have a tag team.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
They did tag team together earlier in the year.
Yeah, was it against Cody andJay?
Uh-huh, so they did tag teamearlier this year.
I mean, john Cena looks like heturned back to a baby face now
and Luke Paul is still alone inPaul, and so I guess this
finalizes their chapter, theirbreakup kind of yeah, which I
think you know.
But yeah, who do you think isgoing to happen in the match?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Some people are thinking that Brock Lesnar is
going to come out and then makeJohn Cena lose.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, because we don't know what Nick Aldridge is
going to say to John Cena.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Remember, as the SmackDown was going off, he came
out and was like well, he saidI just heard from Brock Lesnar.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, I just heard from Brock Lesnar.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And that's it.
And then he got hit.
So did Nick Aldridge tell JohnCena the news after he woke up?
Probably?
Not or did he not tell him andforgot to tell him?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Because he probably forgot to, because he was
rushing to help him out.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That's what I'm saying.
So we don't know what BrockLesnar told Nick Aldridge.
Is he going to be in Paris?
Is he going to be in Paris?
Is he going to be on SmackDown?
Is he challenging John Cena toanother match?
Yeah, I mean somewhere else.
I mean we don't know.
That's the thing.
So, yeah, who do you havecoming out on top of this match?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Logan Paul.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Logan Paul.
Yeah, I was thinking Logan Paultoo, especially because John
Cena doesn't have the worldtitle anymore.
And he doesn't have the worldtitle anymore.
He can lose more matches now.
Obviously, when he had theworld title, he couldn't lose,
because he had the world title.
Whoever beats him is the worldchampion, right?
So now, without having theworld title, it's just like the
(06:42):
Goldberg-Gunther match right nowwithout him having the world
title.
It's just like theGoldberg-Gunther match, right?
Yeah, like I said before, Iknew Goldberg was not winning
that match.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Because Gunther had the world title.
Yep, hey, gunther not had theworld title, I probably would
have picked Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You would.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Because he has nothing to win.
If he wins that match, Mm-hmm,there's no title on the line.
They said this was his lastmatch.
He's not going to win a match.
Take the world title and retire.
That was John Cena's wholething.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So there was no way he was going to win a title in
his last match.
Yeah, but had he not had theworld title on the line, I would
have probably picked Goldberg,or been leaning more toward
Goldberg to win, because he hadnothing to win if he won it
besides his last match.
There was no title on the line,it was just Gunther, and
Gunther could take a lossagainst Goldberg.
It doesn't matter.
Yep, you know Goldberg beatother guys for titles, you know
(07:36):
so.
But back to what I'm sayingabout this just like John.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
There's no title on one of them.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So Logan Paul could very well win this match.
That being said, I don't thinkthat John Cena is going to lose
this match, unless Brock Lesnarinterferes in the match, I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's almost a 50-50.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's close, because Logan Paulcould easily win this match.
Yeah, yeah, and, like I saidbefore, which one benefits him
more, it benefits Logan Paul tobeat John Cena.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, it's like John Cena beats people like Logan
Paul, every single night.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It benefits him, just like it did Kevin Owens and
just like it did Austin Theory.
Yeah, those guys won thosematches and they kept talking
about beating John Cena.
So Logan Paul could use thatmomentum and beating John Cena.
Yep, you know.
But that being said, I don'tsee John Cena losing right now.
(08:40):
Not right now, not until hefaces Brock Lesnar or whoever
else he's going to face.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You think he's going to lose to Brock.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Lesnar, I don't know, it depends.
I mean, I know he's still—Ithink people want to see him
versus Roman Reigns again onelast time.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Brock Lesnar versus Roman Reigns or John Cena no,
John Cena versus Roman Reigns.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
John Cena versus Roman Reigns, john Cena versus
Brock Lesnar.
I mean there's a few other guysyou can throw in there too.
John Cena versus Rey Mysteriowould have been a good one, but
Rep Serial, like he's still hurt, he's not coming back this year
the way it looks, yeah.
But so yeah, I'm going withJohn Cena in this match, but
it's really 50-50 on this one.
(09:19):
But yeah, I think John Cena'sgoing to pull it out.
Like I said, the only I thinkBradley's not going to interfere
in this match.
I'm leaning more.
I think Logan Paul may Hall maywin, but I don't know if he's
going to show up in Paris.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Why not?
He may, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
He may, I don't know.
He might, yeah, but if hedoesn't, I got John Cena winning
.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yep, so but anyways.
Yeah, but for the next match onthe card is Becky Lynch versus
Nikki Bella for the WWE Women'sIntercontinental Championship by
the way, the only Women'sIntercontinental Championship,
by the way, the only women'smatch on here.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, the only women's match for women, because
we know Naomi.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, but like it's not, like they have like one
hour to throw this together.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
They had two weeks.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You're right, they had three weeks, and they could
have had Io versus StephanieBlack-Harris.
Finally ended that thing.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, they're saving that match, they're saving the
Stephanie match for, uh, RussellPalooza.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, but that doesn't make I mean for ESPN,
obviously.
But but if you skip, it's likesay like, like this, almost like
, say, brock Lesnar's supposedto wrestle John Cena and then
John Cena just gets hurt, yeah,and then they have not not
somebody else except BrockLesnar, yeah, like, and John
(10:37):
Cena gets injured.
They have three weeks.
They want to put this guy whoJohn Cena is facing on the card.
They have three weeks to puthim on there.
They can't put him on there inthree weeks.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, exactly that could be the, but I think they
want to save it for us.
Those are the way it looks.
Yeah, want to save it for Raza.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Palooza the way it looks.
Yeah, for the people who don'thave a subscription to ESPN and
buy a subscription to ESPN,exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
But here's what they could have done.
What this is what they couldhave done.
They could have.
They could have went with Juliadefended her United States
Championship on the card againstwhoever doesn't matter, or you
could have.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
She's supposed to face Meechan tomorrow, I think.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
On Friday night somebody will yeah.
Or you could have went withTiffany Stratton to finish her
bill.
Just put another woman I meanyou probably have two women's
matches on this card.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Wait when is Jade versus Tiffany.
Oh no, that already happened.
That already happened.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So what I'm saying is you're supposed to have two win
matches on this card.
You could have put two winmatches on the card.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You could have easily put Tiffany against anybody or
Julia against anybody, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I mean, what about the tag team women's champions?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, they've been on a huge— you could put them on
the card.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They're supposed to.
About the tag team women'schampions yeah, they've been on
a huge.
You can put them on the card.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
They're supposed to face the secret.
There's so many matches theycould have put on this card and
also yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I understand you wanted a world title match with
Stephanie versus Naomi.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
We understand Naomi can't wrestle right now, you
know.
Congrats to her and Big Jim.
But but you can do a detour.
You know that's what happenswhen you're driving down the
street and the road is closed.
You take a detour, you goanother way.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
To still get to where you want to go to.
So you still could have gotStephanie or whoever else, or
Tiffany, or Tag Team, or Julia,or whoever they're all going to
be there in Paris, or whoeverthey're all going to be there in
Paris.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And also the number one thing I know you said
earlier that AJ Styles versusDominic is going to be in the
same place as the Leon crowd, orwhatever I think it's in Leon.
I know Friday or Monday is inLeon and even if it is, it's
just, I feel like the crowdwould be better on a PLE.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Sure, but it's the same venue, though, that they
had back last year, so it shouldbe a similar crowd, which is
why I think that's why they putthat on that and not the PLE Yep
, because it's five matches too,so I wonder what match they
used the five matches on PLEs,right, yep?
So I wonder what match theyadded instead of Naomi,
(13:13):
stephanie Becky.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Lynch and no Becky.
Roman Reigns and Bronson Reedwas already a thing, and then
Becky Lynch and Nikki Bella gotannounced on the thing yeah, but
um, but yeah so so, but anyways.
Becky, and Becky and Nikki yeah, I don't think Nikki Bella is
winning yeah so I'm gonna sayBecky Lynch yeah, I don't think
(13:37):
Nikki's gonna win either.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I mean it should be a good match.
It's her first singles match ina while, since she met the
other day, but I wanna seewhat's going on with Bailey.
They've been showing her kindof like a split personality type
thing.
If you notice, there was twoother Bailey's talking to her
yesterday.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, there was the what, the hugger Bailey and the
2021 heel Bailey.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The ding dong Bailey.
Yeah, they're both.
So you started with one, thenyou started with these two.
Are you going to have a thirdone?
Uh from the you know what Imean.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Like are you going to have a third Bailey or are they
going to just keep the three?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And she fight between those three like herself and
those these, the old one and theill one, or it's going to be a
new personality that comes out.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Mm-hmm, because, like most things are like that, in
like movies and also just inLike all the things together
inform this new personality.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Exactly so.
Are you going to have a newpersonality that all of a sudden
emerges, that's completelydifferent than all the other
ones, and take over?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And this be the new Bailey, whether it's the baby
face or heel, which is leaningmore toward a heel Bailey, what
it looks like.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And then she's going to probably feud with somebody,
maybe Becky, to try to get hertitle back, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I think she's going to feud with the world champ
though.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, I don't know who she's going to feud with,
but I'm just saying, whateverthey're doing with her, they're
getting her ready for something.
You know she's getting readyfor something, but anyways.
So that being said, I thinkBecky's going to win and keep
defending her belt, you know?
I mean like Becky or hate Becky, she's Becky Lynch.
(15:19):
You know, she's the man, as theycall her.
Promos have been good, hermatches have been good.
She's came back.
She's been on fire, as they say, you know.
So with that, I don't seeanybody beating her right now
for it.
I'm sure somebody will come upand challenge her eventually,
but for right now I don't seeNikki beating her.
(15:40):
She's been at the game too long.
She still needs a couple morematches, I think, to get herself
back in the one-on-one space, Ithink.
But this is a good match forher to get back, to see kind of
where she's at as far as one ofthe top women in the NINJWB, by
the rest, in general, so yeah,you know.
But yeah, that's it for that one.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That's all I got for that.
So well, I yeah, I said BeckyLynch too.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, I said Becky Lynch too.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
And for the next match, that's what you're going
to say yeah, that Next matchit's Roman Reigns versus Bronson
Reed For the shoe of fallout.
I'm pretty sure, because I'mpretty sure Roman Reigns is
going to take his shoe.
That's what I would do if I wasin this match.
If I beat my opponent and theyhave my shoes, I'm taking back
my shoes.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean, it's the tribal thief.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I mean he's taking his shoes back.
Try to take his shoes again onMonday.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So I think—.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You got a man to take your shoes like that.
I got to fight you.
Yeah, you ain't, finna.
Take my shoes like that andwalk around with them around
your neck, mm-hmm, you know,only thing worse than wearing
them around your neck isactually wearing them, and just
wearing them.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
You know I mean.
So Ron Reigns got his right tobe know.
This dude didn't have a beltfor four or five years.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, you know.
So I mean, I feel like you'reprobably going to say Roman
Reigns, but I think Bronson Reedneeds this win more Because
it's Roman Reigns, Then yeah, Ijust think Bronson Reed needs
this win a lot more.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I'm right there with you on that one.
I'm right there.
I think the same thing.
Bronson Reed benefits way morebecause Roman Reigns is Roman
Reigns.
He's just almost like you saidwith the Logan Paul and John
Cena thing John Cena is JohnCena.
He's not gonna be worse orbetter from fighting Logan Paul,
just like Roman Reigns.
He's not gonna be worse orbetter from losing Logan Paul,
(17:37):
just like Roman Reigns, he's notgoing to be worse or better
from losing to Bronson.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Reed yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know, but Bronson Reed now, if he can beat Roman
Reigns, he'd be one of the fewguys in the last five years
who's beat Roman Reigns in amatch.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, dang.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Like it's only been a few guys in the last five years
.
Who's beat Roman Reigns in aone-on-one match?
Mm years who's beat RomanReigns in a one-on-one match,
not like a tag team match, butlike a one-on-one match.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Are you counting Seth Rollins?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
That's what I'm saying.
A one-on-one match Like adisqualification.
Yeah, but I'm just saying theone-on-one pin on the Reigns.
It's only been a handful ofguys in the last five years
who's beat him and the triplethreat Roman Reigns got.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But I know it's not a one-on-one.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Exactly what I'm saying.
There's only been so many guyswho's beat on the rain, since
he's been the tribal chief, yep,you know and so Brunson Reed,
who's also known as Samoan,which we can't overlook, that.
Yeah, I forgot that until hementioned it which is like he
was saying I don't know thehistory of it like that, but it
sounds like he knew the historyon the rain, knew the history of
(18:33):
it.
That has happened before wherepeople have been exiled from
certain places and sentsomewhere else.
Maybe it did happen whereSamoans exiled a group of
Samoans that went to Australiaand that became Bronson Reed.
Now, who knows?
But how bad do you have to beto get exiled from a place?
So if what Bronson Reed issaying is accurate, then yeah,
(18:57):
he's a dangerous guy, which weknow, that anyways from you.
Know his tsunamis or, as hesays, shoenamis.
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Dang, I didn't know he was calling them that.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, they was calling them shoenamis at one
point.
So you're saying Bronson ReedYep, that's who you're sticking
with.
Mm-hmm, bronson Reed, that'swho you're sticking with, mm-hmm
.
See, I want to say Bronson Reedtoo, because I just he benefits
way more than Roman Reigns does.
Yeah, he does in terms of waymore Like Roman Reigns if he
(19:27):
loses his match.
He lost to Bronson Reed.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
If he wins it see.
Yeah, if he wins it see, toldyou he was going to win this
match.
Brunson Reed wins.
Now look at Seth Rollins.
Yeah, now look at what SethRollins did.
Look at what I did.
My guy beat Roman Reigns, youknow, and it helps elevate
Brunson Reed to a main eventplayer as well.
Yep, you know, because BraunBreaker's already there.
Seth Rollins is already there.
(19:52):
Yeah, paul Heyman is one of thebest managers, if not the best
manager.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
He's my favorite person, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
If he's in the top five, guaranteed that he's
usually one or two on managers.
It just depends on what styleyou like.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I'm going to go with that one and pick Bronson Reed
as well to win that.
So yeah, we'll see how thatgoes.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Mm-hmm, yeah, but anyways, for the main event,
it's Seth Rollins versus CM Punkversus Jey Uso versus LA Knight
for the World HeavyweightChampionship and a fatal foley.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Which means that the champion does not have to get
pinned to lose his match, whichis an unfair advantage for Seth
Rollins.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
An unfair disadvantage.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, it's a disadvantage.
Yeah, you said advantage.
There's four guys in this matchand there's three guys.
That's not the champion.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So any of those three guys can pin the other one and
they win the championship.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But if they just listen to CM Punk, I know CM
Punk, I mean over the years he'snot been a trustable guy, but
when he's making a fair pointyou gotta just trust him a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, but if you watch the NFRall, they were all
fighting each other.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, I know, and that shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It shouldn't have, but it did so.
Now they're going to the PLEwith tensions higher.
Instead of them worrying aboutSeth Rollins, they're worrying
about each other.
Now you know.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
If I was Seth Rollins , I would try to manipulate them
into fighting each other.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's what he already did, yeah, so he's
already like that.
That's why he told Bron Breakerhold on, hold on, look what
they're doing.
They're doing it for him, he.
Whatever he was trying to do,they did it for him, yeah, and
so, with that being said, youhave to look at serfrance
(21:46):
retained for me anyways.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Oh yeah, and serfrance is definitely retained
is that who you're picking?
Yep, you got a reason whyyou're picking him because,
first of all, I don't want tosee serfrance lose the title,
and I don't think he's going tolose it this year.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And who does he lose it to?
The only one that benefits froma win technically is Ellie
Knight.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah.
So let me go down the list.
I don't think Ellie Knight'swinning.
I don't think Jey Uso winning.
Cm Punk has a slight chance ofBoston or Senior Moon.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, CM Punk just had the belt.
He lost it CM.
Punk just had the belt, he lostit.
Yeah, jey Uso had the belt, helost it.
La Knight's never had the beltbefore.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
You sound like you're about to pick LA Knight.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
No, no, I'm just saying who.
I'm just saying like LA Knightwould be the best one to win
this match because he benefitsbetter from being a world
champion, because the rest havebeen a world champion before.
But Seth Rollins is in his bagright now.
He is, he is on, he's on likeyou know what I mean.
Like he's up there right now.
His promos have been good, hiswrestling have been good.
(22:42):
I mean, he pulled the wholefake out.
What was he injured?
Is he not injured?
Greatest cash in behind his owncash and he had at wrestlemania
when he cashed in on roman andbrock yeah, imagine beating
yourself for the best in self.
Exactly, then his wife is doingwhat she's doing.
You know, they're probablythey're like the two best
wrestlers right now.
(23:02):
Yeah, as far as women go,especially Naomi's gone.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And also I think they're the greatest, greatest
couple in WWE.
They gotta be, but consideringathleticism is Bianca and Montez
Bian.
Disturbing athleticism isBianca and.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Montez, bianca and Montez are up there, but as far
as like accolades until Montezwins some world titles, I don't
know.
Seth and Becky are the top.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Oh, yeah, by far.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But once Montez reaches the top and wins the
world title, I'm putting Montezand Bianca as far as athleticism
, oh yeah, athleticism,athleticism.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And I think just overall, like I don't know
Because, like yeah, but yeah.
So I think Seth Rollins, likehe has two money in the bank
cash-ins, two of the best moneyin the bank cash-in biggie lynch
she had double belt back in hercontinent the man I mean yeah,
she's done wrestlemania.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Uh, main event at wrestlemania the first woman to
win a championship onwrestlemania yeah, first woman
to main event too.
And win that match.
And she beat Ronda Rousey andCharlotte Flair.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Mm-hmm, but yeah, definitely when Montez gets some
more titles they'll probably beup there, if not one yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
So they're probably two, three right now.
I can't think of anybody betterright now.
I mean, you've got theUndertaker and Michelle McCool.
They're up there because ofIron Taker's career, michelle.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
McCool was a women's wrestling champion, but, like
current wrestlers, that's whatI'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'm talking overall, like there's not many people
overall that you can put aboveBianca and Montez.
As far as couples go, yeah, youknow, we've actually got.
You know, macho man and allthat.
We can do that on a differenttopic Best Copics and the rest.
We do have another show, butyeah, so, with that being said,
(24:55):
I don't see.
Seth Rollins losing this match,he's going to find a way to win.
I mean, he still has BrockBreaker out there who doesn't
have a match, so he's going tobe fresh.
He's going to be ready to go.
He's going to be foaming at themouth, you know, barking all
over the place, so he's going tobe ready and you don't want him
outside the ring stalkingaround looking for people.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's a fatal four.
Yeah, and if the ref—wellactually the ref doesn't even
have a turn his back, it's afatal four.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Exactly, it's a fatal four.
So it doesn't matter what BrownBreaker does in this match.
You can do anything this matchand normally what's been
happening.
They break brand attacking guysand the other guys have been
coming out, Jay has been comingout, CM Punk's been coming out.
They fight each other.
Nobody's coming out for themnow.
So, they have nobody to comeout for them now.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Technically.
I mean, we know Jay got Jimmybut he don't think that's going
to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But yeah, so it's like he says Jimmy, so,
especially since Jimmy's out forthe baby.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
No, he's not going to be out yet yeah.
I mean no, he won't be outuntil later on this year.
Early next year Around RoyalRumble is when he'll probably
take off.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, I mean he's not there really any, except for
the solo Jacob story?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I don't know why I said Jacob, and where has Jacob
been at?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, I don't know.
I thought he would have had amatch with Solo or something on
this on this card.
I don't think on this card, butI mean I would have thought
Sami and Solo would have been onthis card exactly, but you say
that for Wrestle Clues that'sprobably the one.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, yeah, they're probably.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I think they're wrestling this Friday again for
the title yeah, this Friday okayin Paris.
See, they're doing everythingthis Friday and next.
Well, it's.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Paris.
They're still in Paris.
You know, sometimes they haveto do it the day before they
have those matches, or the dayafter they have those matches.
But yeah, so Seth Rollins, Ithink, is going to win the main
event.
Retain his title, keep being,you know, seth freaking Rollins
like.
But yeah, so he gets thatbronze as well.
Yep.
(26:47):
Any more reasons why.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Because of Bonebreaker, and if Bronson Reed
wins against Roman Reigns, Ithink he can still help out a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, true, but yeah.
So I'm looking forward toseeing what happens in the Clash
of Clans, Seeing if the fanscan beat or live up to what
happened last year in Backlash.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Because that crowd was one of the best crowds I've
seen in a while, or heard in awhile, rather.
But yeah, we'll see if Paris,which is a bigger city, can live
up to the hype of being Paris.
Yep, but yeah, so yeah, anothergood weekend of wrestling, so
we'll see how everything goes.
With that being said, I'm Ben,I'm Dash In an.
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