August 1, 2025 • 28 mins
Ben and Bash analyze every match on the SummerSlam Night 1 card with detailed predictions and deep-dive storytelling views.
• Debate over whether Karrion Kross might defeat Sami Zayn, potentially pushing Zayn toward a more aggressive character
• Discussion about Jelly Roll's impressive wrestling preparation for his tag match with Randy Orton against Logan Paul
• Analysis of Charlotte Flair's character evolution through her tag team partnership with Alexa Bliss
• Speculation about Bianca Belair potentially returning during the Tiffany Stratton vs Jade Cargill match
• Examination of the Roman Reigns and Jey Uso tag match against Bronson Reed and Bron Breakker
• Debate about CM Punk's championship prospects against Gunther after a decade without a WWE world title
• Questioning why popular stars like LA Knight and Bayley aren't featured on the SummerSlam card
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the Benny Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
I'm Ben.
I'm Bash.
It's time to lift up your bootsand hit the mat with the Benny
Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, here we are for another one.
We are going to be reviewingSummerSlam Night 1.
So yeah, interesting thingsgoing on with it.
So, yeah, let's get to it Allright.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
for the first match on night one of SummerSlam, it's
Sami Zayn versus Karrion Kross.
And the stipulation is if SamiZayn loses, he has to admit that
Kross is right.
And then does Karrion Krosshave that same thing, but he has
to say he's wrong about Sami.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
He has to say he's wrong about Sami if he loses
yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
But so I feel like they would have Sami Zayn win,
because I think the story hereis next WrestleMania.
He's going to have either atitle shot.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, he's going to have a title shot.
That's so far away, though hecould still lose and still build
later on.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, but it's like Sami Zayn and like Karrion Kross
had like a little build butlike I mean fans were cheering
for him Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Fans were cheering for him.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But like beating Sami Zayn is like strapping a rocket
to him Exactly.
I don't think they're going todo that, so early, you don't
know that.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I mean fans were cheering for him, we won't cross
and all that kind.
Get done with yours.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean, I just personally don't see them
letting Karrion Kross beat SamiZayn, especially on this type of
thing.
People won't forget this entirething and one of the memories
they will have Karrion Krossbeating Sami Zayn.
I just don't see that being amemory in people's minds.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But here's the whole thing, though, Karrion.
So A memory in people's minds.
But here's the whole thing,though.
Karen so far has been rightabout everybody.
He's turned to New Day, he'sturned to all the people that he
was, you know, trying to turnto.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But Sammy is the only one.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
He can't quite get Mm-hmm, so what better way to
turn?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
to.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Sammy than at SummerSlam.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, and also that would make him say the cross is
right.
If he like say he gets likedisqualified, he would still
have to say it didn't he?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, and though like yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Exactly Just like Becky turned.
Didn't Becky turn heel atSummerSlam against Charlotte
After Charlotte beat her?
When at SummerSlam, I think so.
She attacked her yeah.
So I mean that's usually a goodtime to turn.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
If you're going to turn, yeah, but it's like Becky
Lynch compared to Sami, I mean,it's not the same person.
But I just don't see Sami Zaynturning for one and I don't see
Karrion Kross winning for two.
True, so I'm going to say SamiZayn, I want to say Karrion
Kross.
But I'm trying to win here, I'mnot trying to lose.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, cross, but I'm trying to win here, I'm not
trying to lose.
So for mine, I'm going to gowith Karrion Kross, because the
way Karrion Kross has been goingwith the crowd, the crowd's
been cheering him, it's beenorganic.
They haven't been forcinganything, it's just the fans
like Karrion Kross and Scarlett.
So it's like this is theperfect opportunity for him to
win.
He's been losing every PLE.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
One last PLE he won.
When has he been on?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
a PLE Exactly, and the ones he has been on he's
lost.
Yeah.
So this is the best opportunityfor him to win Right here.
Yeah.
I'm not saying he turns Sammycompletely heel, but you can
have him be more of a more of afighter, you know, like um, not
saying sammy's gonna turn outcompletely healed, but this
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could push him, like you saidbefore, push him going toward
the main event.
Yeah, because he's been kind ofbehind the scenes second fiddle
, kevin owens has been up there,jay uso's been up there.
All these people he's taggedwith or been friends with, you
know, have, like you said, putthe rocker on their back and
he's the one that's stillsitting there putting on good
matches but not getting anopportunity to win a
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championship, or even close toone, you know, and so he can
still lose and win you know hecan lose his match.
But it can propel him to bebetter because he can lose his
match.
But it can propel him to bebetter because he can be more
aggressive in what he does,going after the belts.
You know you're no better than Iam you just gotta embrace that
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part of yourself and go after it?
And Sami Zayn for the longesthas been like a pure nose, red
heart, ricky Steamboat type ofbaby.
Yeah, this might be the firstopportunity where he actually
can not fully, like I said, notfully turn heel, but turn heel
just a little bit.
So with that, I'm gonna like,I'm gonna pick Kross, uh, to win
this one yeah, um.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So for the second match on the card um, it's Randy
Orton and Jelly Roll versusLogan Paul and Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, first, I think we don't know if Drew's going to
fully be there yet 100% I meanlast I saw he was still stuck in
the UK somewhere.
I mean it could be a work now,like he could be back over here
now and they're still sayingthat or he could still be stuck
over there, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I feel like they have no reason to do that Like a
work, but that's an unnecessarywork.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I guess we'll find out on SmackDown if they do what
they do on SmackDown.
Yeah.
You know, since we're doing thisbefore SmackDown, I guess that
we'll figure out what they'redoing before SmackDown.
We'll figure, I guess thatwe'll figure out what they're
doing before SmackDown, likewe'll figure out what they're
doing at SmackDown.
They're gonna they're gonnatalk about it.
Are they gonna mention Drew notbeing there?
Are they gonna say he got here?
You know what they're gonna say, you know, but kind of fresh to
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see what they who fills in, orif you know, or if Drew can make
it.
You know that's a question rightnow as far as as far as this
past weekend anyways.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Like I feel like like not like in this match really,
because you could have almostanybody here, but I feel like
Drew McIntyre's hard to replacein like this type of match.
He is hard to replace who hatesRandy Orton so much that he's
willing to team with Logan Pauland also hates outsiders, except
for Logan Paul in the center.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And so you have to get somebody who hates Randy
Orton so much that he'd rathertag with Logan Paul than go get
Randy Orton.
That's a hard one right there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I can't even think of anybody, like just just
randomly.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I can't think of you, know, and the best if Drew
can't go, the best thing to dois to put somebody from New.
York, new Jersey in there,which there's not many wrestlers
though yeah, especially theywould fit that scenario exactly,
you know.
But yeah, who are you?
Who are you picking over?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
let's say the match does happen?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
drew and logan versus , uh, randy and jelly roll.
Who are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
it could be logan paul and anybody, literally
anybody.
I feel like celebrities barelywin I mean always win, and um,
and it's also randy and I feellike they're just more likely to
win.
So I'm going to pick RandyOrton's team.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I mean I like Jelly Roll.
I remember Jelly Roll back inthe day before he did country
music, when he was actuallyrapping in the 36 Mafia.
But yeah, I've been a fan ofJelly Roll, but anyways yeah, I
got Jelly Roll and Randy Ortonas well.
It's hard for me, like you said, it's hard for me to see Randy
Orton as well.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's hard for me.
Like you said, it's hard for meto see Randy Orton losing and
Jelly Roll with his debut losing, especially the way he's been
training.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
He's lost a lot.
He's lost a ton of weight yeah,I mean a lot of weight
Supposedly been down at thePerformance Center learning how
to wrestle.
So he's taking it serious, likeBad Bunny did and like Logan
Paul's been doing so so he'staking it serious like.
Bad Bunny did like Logan Paul'sbeen doing.
So he's taking it serious likethem.
He's not just going in thereand going to embarrass himself,
he's going to go in thereknowing how to.
I mean he did a boss man slamor a sidewalk slam or the best
(07:59):
you know black hole slamwhatever you want to call it.
You know he did that slam onLogan Paul the other day.
It looked good.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I mean, he knew what he was doing out there.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah.
So, I'm interested to see whathe looks like it was smooth too,
because, like Logan Paul raninto it, I think yeah, and then
he just did it right away.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So it looks smooth Like, itlooks like in a four.
Obviously, we know he's notgoing to wrestle in a
four-attire match, obviously,but I'm going to be interested
to see what he does.
Do he does get in the ringagainst Logan or Drew or whoever
?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
So like he's probably going to win the match, but
like what would his finish be?
A chokeslam?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Probably that's what he's been doing.
Most people chokeslam or theboss man slam.
I keep saying Bossman.
Slam, but it's probably theBlack Hole because the business
one of the producers backstagehas probably been working with
him.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, so I would say probably the Black Hole Slam
would probably be his finishingmove, more likely One of those
two that or a show slam, I wouldsay so for the next match on
the card, it's the Judgment Day,which is Raquel and Roxanne
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Perez versus Charlotte Flair andAlexa Bliss for the WWE Women's
Tag Team Championships, and forthis one I feel like it could
go either way, and they've alsobeen building the tag team
division a lot because, like,they don't really care that much
what they used to not careabout the women's tag team
division a lot Because, like,they don't really care that much
.
Well, they used to not careabout the women's tag team
division, but now they have goodteams and they have good
(09:35):
matches.
But yeah, anyways, I thinkCharlotte and Alexa are going to
win Because, like, mostly theformula for women's tag teams is
like they put two peopletogether, but now they actually
have storylines.
They used to not havestorylines.
Now they put two peopletogether and then they go after
the titles and they almostalways win, like it's almost
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100% guaranteed that two newpeople just win the titles.
So I think charlotte and alexactually I don't know.
I feel like the story might gobetter if charlotte and alexa
win, maybe to take the titlesoff of them and go into Liv's
story.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
But is Liv going to be back that fast?
She's going to be back thatfast.
She might not be back untilSurvivor Series or later.
I mean with a shoulder.
I mean look how long Rhea wasout with a similar type injury.
Yeah.
So Liv dislocated her shoulder,which means she could come back
.
Yeah, so live, dislocatedshoulder, which means she could
come back.
You know, dislocated shoulder,depending on how bad is
dislocated, could keep her outfor a few months to several
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months, and I haven't heard howbad it was.
To know how.
You know, if I knew how bad itwas, maybe you can kind of give
an estimate on when she may be,back, but not knowing how how
severe the uh dislocatedshoulder was, you don't really
know how long she's going to beout.
Yeah, I mean, if you know shewas coming back soon, then yeah,
it makes sense.
But if she's not coming backuntil the Survivor Series or
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even the Royal Rumble, then itdoesn't make sense for them to
lose right now.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Mm-hmm, but yeah wait .
So who?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
do you think the winner?
Who do you pick?
I picked charlotte and alexa.
Yeah, you, you used the wordthat you said.
What do you say about peoplewho get put together?
they sometimes win yeah this issometimes lose that's what you
think yeah, one with judgmentday winning is keeping the belt
for a little bit longer becauseof what you said, the the when
still lives, comes back.
I don't think she'll be back bysummer slam, so I'm gonna say
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they're gonna keep the beltuntil she does come back and you
know something happens withthat, but until then they don't
lose that belt.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I don't think.
Uh, honestly, I could see thejudgment day winning.
Actually, I see thegment Daywinning almost more than
Charlotte and Alexa.
But I feel like they just valuethose two superstars and they
want to put titles on them.
You know, they are not singlestitles for once.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Especially with Charlotte Flair.
They're not a singles title.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I think this has helped Charlotte out
tremendously, though you knowshe was getting booed.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
She was getting booed .
Speaker 2 (12:12):
She was getting booed , yeah, and now she's basically
a baby face now she's, she'sgetting cheered a little bit
because she's with alexa andalexa's a face status.
No matter how bad or good alexa, she gets cheered.
I think her she's kind ofrubbing off on charlie and
people are people are seeing.
I think what's helping charlieout is people are seeing a
personality with her, becausenormally she's no nonsense,
(12:33):
straight to the thing.
Give me my championship.
I want my championship.
This is my championship.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I got it and then wins it every time.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And then wins it every time and then retains it
for a little bit, you know,whatever, this is one of the
first times where you'reactually seeing her personality
kind of comes out.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
She's been doing the cheer stuff, the backstage
segments.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You know we're not friends but we're friends type
of thing.
You know we're seeing morepersonality from Charlotte which
honestly I think has helpedpeople get to know her a little
better than they have in thelast what 10 years she's been
there to be.
Yeah, I think it's working forthem.
This is a summer slam, though Ithink about that.
(13:13):
They usually do have big, bigteams win summer slam.
It does help the storylinebetter if charlotte and alexa
wins, but I'm gonna stick withmy.
I'm gonna stick with myoriginal pick Judging Day and
have them retain.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But um, that's what you're going to say about that.
Yeah that's it All right.
And for the fourth match on thecard is Tiffany Stratton versus
Jade Cargill for the WWEWomen's Championship, and for
this one, I mean it doesn't havethat much of a build.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
A little bit, but not too.
But they've been more friendsthan anything.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
They've been helping out each other and they've had
segments with somebody else.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, I mean you got two babyfaces.
This would have been a perfecttime to turn Jade heel.
This would have been a babyface.
We could have had her, like, goafter Tiffany a few times, yeah
, you know, and make the fansboo her a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And like babyface versus babyface.
Unless it's just like two likeperformers that are going to
have like an amazing match, itdoesn't really work and like I
can't really see that honestly,because like Jay Kroger and
Tiffany Stratton could put onlike a decent match I won't even
deny that, but like I don't seethem putting on like a
five-star match here yeah, Imean Jay's still fairly new to
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wrestling.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean she's not new, she's been wrestling for a few
years now.
Was the aw for a whileundefeated?
There was she.
No, she lost once or twice inaw.
I think she lost her belly.
She lost a rematch um chrisstatland, I believe yeah I think
that's what it was, but um, butyeah, so, and tiffany's fairly
(15:03):
new too.
I mean both of them are fairlynew, but they've both been
extremely good in the ring.
You know they both took, asthey say, took to it like a fish
, like a fish to water.
You know they both just been,you know as they say, hitting
the ground running.
You know they've both been goodoff the bat and this should be
a good match.
Not sure if I will put it as agreat match quite yet.
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I mean, give it a few moreyears, about two, three more
years.
This will be probably a mainevent night one on WrestleMania
match with them Maybe, yeah,with the Star Power.
You know what I'm saying Withthe Star Power, in two, three
years this will probablydefinitely be a main event in
WrestleMania, like night one,you know.
But yeah, with that, who'd?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
you pick.
Oh, I haven't picked you.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
OK, go ahead and pick yours.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean I was still thinking, but like I feel like
Jade, probably especially withNaomi out of the picture,
because everybody thought she'dgo cash in.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So she's already cashed in.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, she's already cashed in, so I'm going to say
Jade wins.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You think Jade's going to win her first time?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I just thought about something now what I think
Bianca's cleared now.
I was watching her thing withChris Van Vliet.
It looks like she said herfinger was healed.
Oh, and that was filmed, Ithink a week or two ago, I think
, mm-hmm To show him.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I saw that I didn't see the whole thing, but I saw a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, and I think she said her finger was healed or
close to being healed whichmeans she could easily come back
at SummerSlam.
That could be a good way ofturning her heel, you know?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
because, yeah, Jade, and her won tag team titles, but
she ain't won really nothingsince Jade came.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I mean her and Jade.
You know tagged together andwon tag team belts, but you know
.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Jade's the reason, her and Naomi's not friends
anymore, she's, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
But I think Tiffany's going to win, with a possible
interference from Bianca.
I don't know how or if it'sgoing to happen yet, but I think
Bianca is going to get involvedsome kind of way in that match.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
But I got Tiffany Stratton taking a W on that one.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, for the next match on the card is Roman
Reigns and Jey Uso versusBronson Reed and Braun Breaker,
with Paul Heyman in their corner.
Bronson Reed and Brown Breakerwith Paul Heyman in their corner
.
So like this one is supposed tobe Roman versus Seth, but Seth
got injured, right.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I would think it would have been Roman versus
Seth, and Seth would probablycash in that night too.
But because he's hurt, you haveto pivot a little bit.
And now you got Roman and Jay,which now you get.
But that's a good thing aboutthat.
You get Jay on the card andthen you got Brunson and Brown
on the card.
So now you got three guys whoprobably would have been on that
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card had Steph not got hurt.
Maybe because they might havebeen LA Knight and Jay you know,
true, but LA Knight's not onthe card at all.
Mm-hmm, we'll talk about thatlater, but we'll talk about that
after we get done All right,but yeah, who you got for this
one?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I mean, I don't see Roman Reigns Like Roman Reigns
now and Jey Uso losing toBrunson Reed and Braun Breaker.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Did you not see Braun Breaker do something?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
with money, I know, but no matter what, it's Roman
Reigns.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I know it is, but Roman Reigns has lost tag team
matches before, though.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So it's not out of the possibility for him to lose
a tag team match.
He's lost before to Jey Uso.
Matter of fact, uso's beatRoman Reigns in solo, yeah.
So it's not out of the realm ofpossibility of Roman Reigns to
lose to Braun and Bronson, Imean with Paul Heyman in their
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corner.
I mean, what can Paul Heymannot do?
I mean, everything he touchesturns to gold pretty much.
I mean, look what we did at ECWBrock, cm Punk, and then he had
, uh what?
Gilly Cuddy and them guys, paulHeyman, guys, I mean you know,
(19:24):
I mean, look at all he did.
I mean, and he got Roman.
Look what he did to Roman.
He took Roman to a wholeanother stratosphere.
Mm-hmm, he took Roman for beinga good wrestler.
I mean, but yeah, you put PaulHeyman and Braun together.
Oh man, you're talking aboutrecipe for whatever they want to
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do.
In the meantime, until Sethcomes back, you can put that
rocket on Braun or Bronson'sback for right now and hold a
fort down, as they say, untilSeth comes back.
But yeah, I got.
But with that being said too, Idon't.
I think it's going to be a goodmatch.
I think Braun's going to getall his stuff in, but I think
it's just going to be too muchoverpower for Roman and Jey.
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They're going to pull it out ofthe victory.
So I got.
I'm going to pick Roman and Jeyfor the win.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know.
So I got them two for the win,mm-hmm.
And for the next match on thecard and the main event of night
one, summerslam, it's Guntherversus CM Punk for the World
Heavyweight Championship.
Yep, and this one again.
While Seth Rollins is out ofthe picture, cm Punk could win,
and just win the title.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I thought Seth Rollins would have cashed in on
this match.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Without Seth Rollins in the picture.
What if Gunther just retains?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's the problem I have.
I don't know.
I think what would havehappened, I think, had Seth not
got hurt, is CM Punk beatsGunther and then Seth catches on
CM Punk to stop him fromwinning the belt and enjoying it
.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He won the belt, 30 seconds boom and he now lost the
belt and also people think thatSeth still might come back, but
I just don't see it.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If he does.
The knee injury wasn't as badas they said it was.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
He had a knee injury.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That's a known fact.
Yeah, you can tell the way hehad a knee injury.
Here's the thing too.
You don't fake stuff like that.
You don't fake an injury likethat, because if you do, you
come back and get hurt for realdoing that.
You know you fake a knee injurylike that.
Let's say he was doing his work.
You know you fake a knee injurylike that.
You come back and stretch yourknee like that yeah, and then
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you're out for real for a yearor whatever.
You know, I don't think that'sa.
I don't think it's a fakeinjury.
I think it's a legit injury.
Now the severity of it, I don'tknow if it's a surgery or he
doesn't need surgery.
Let it heal on his own.
If he needs surgery he's gonnabe out six to twelve months.
Yeah, so he's already let itheal on his own.
If he needs surgery, he's goingto be out six to twelve months.
So he's not coming back untilthe end of the year.
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Royal Rumble, maybe evenWrestleMania, before Money in
the Bank in the summer, he maynot come back.
If it's a legit injury.
He's not coming back untilRoyal Rumble, royal Rumble,
wrestlemania he's not comingback until If it's not as bad.
He's not coming back to RoryRumble, rory Rumble,
wrestlemania.
He's not coming back to If it'snot as bad he can be back, maybe
by Survivor Series.
I think I don't see him at allcoming back as SummerSlam At all
(22:28):
.
There's no way, based on theway the injury looked anyways.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I think um Sam.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's a horrible.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Because, like I don't know what I feel, like I don't
see CM Punk winning if SethRollins not in the picture.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean he could win and hold a belt.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know what I'm going to say?
Cm Punk wins and then getscashed in.
What?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
about that by Seth.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Rollins Yep.
What if that happens, you know?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I mean, I don't think Seth Rollins is healthy enough
to cash in and hold a belt?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, honestly.
But like no, I'm going to sayGunther.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I mean, you don't see CM Punk but I just don't think
Seth Rollins is going to cash in.
No, I just don't, because CM.
Punk holds the belt long enough.
I mean, I don't see CM Punklosing two back-to-back title
matches he lost to John.
Cena at in.
(23:29):
Saudi Arabia and he's going toturn around and lose.
He's going through two if heloses this, he has no business
asking for a title shot.
Now Come both of them.
He didn't I mean not saying hedidn't earn them, but neither
one of them.
He just walked up to them andsaid he wanted a match and they
gave him a match.
So he can't do it anymore.
This is his last leg.
(23:49):
If he loses this, he's done asfar as the world titles go.
As long as Gunther and JohnCena have them.
Yeah, John Cena have him.
Yeah, Because I mean John Cenabeat him.
Whether it was fair or not,John Cena beat him and then
Gunther's wrestling him andGunther's a better wrestler than
John Cena is?
Mm-hmm, it's not a hard take tomake you know, as far as just
regular wrestling, John Cena's abetter wrestler than him.
(24:13):
You know, but uh, but uh, butyeah.
So I got, I got.
I'm gonna go ahead and pickgunther for the win on this one
as well.
I don't see cm punk winningright now, especially not
because, especially since uhseth rollins is still injured,
so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Hold on, let me see you picked cm punk, didn't you?
You pick gunther CM Punk,didn't he Mm?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Mm, you pick Gonten.
No, just call you pick Gonten.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I'm going to go and pick CM Punk, then I'm going to
go ahead and pick CM Punk.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That's what I was saying about him.
Not losing two back-to-backchampionships Make him I mean,
he can't keep saying the best inthe world and lose every title
match you have.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
So far he's lost every title match he's been back
.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
He hasn't held a world title in 10 years.
As far as WWE goes, he had onein AEW.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
He hasn't held a title in 10 years he had an.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
AEW world championship in AEW.
So he didn't have a worldchampionship in those 10 years.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But he had a WWE world championship in those 10
years.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So in those 10 years but he hadn't had a WB World
Championship in those 10 years,yeah.
So yeah, I'm going to go withCM Punk to win, but how long he
has it don't know.
But I'm going to go with him towin and be going through for
the belt Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But yeah, that's it for the card.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh yeah, let me add a little bit too before we go
into night.
Two later.
Why is LA Knight and Bayley noton this card at all?
Yeah.
I mean, if Bayley doesn't showup at SummerSlam, she
Wrestlemania and SummerSlam andthink about it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Hold on.
I don't know about you, but mepersonally.
Bayley should have won thatmatch.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I think she would have too.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think she should have too cause like this is just
a rematch with Lara and Beckyexactly but this is this is a
yeah, we're gonna see that oneon next week and I think it
would be a better match there isa simulation in that match,
though.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, and I feellike it would be better, not a
better match.
Really, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But Bayley versus Becky has more story.
Has more storyline.
Has more storyline, I think Imean Lyra and Becky has a good
one, because Ly the fan battle,like Becky did.
I mean all this good stuff.
So they have a similarbackstory which makes them
almost equal.
(26:42):
Just Becky's been doing itlonger and Lyra's the new one
that's trying to come up and getwhat Becky has.
Yeah, you know so they've beenfighting over that.
But yeah, the fact that youdon't have LA Knight or Bayley
on SummerSlam card I mean two ofthe not to say the biggest
stars, but two of the mostconsistent ones out here I mean
that's, I don't get it.
(27:03):
Yeah.
I don't get it.
I don't get why you don't havethem two on here.
You know, like I said, I mean Iget Elliot Knight was on
SummerSlam.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
He lost his belt to Jacob.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
He was at WrestleMania.
You can't put everybody onevery card, I understand that.
But, bayley, she missedWrestleMania for Becky Because
Becky came back fromWrestleMania, and then now she's
missing SummerSlam because ofLyra.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Her last match was her last fifth review.
Match was Bayley.
I think her last fifth reviewwas Elimination Chamber, because
I think she beat Lyra for thespot at Elimination Chamber, I
think.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I think.
So that was probably her lastone, yeah, and so, yeah,
hopefully, hopefully, I do writeabout Bailey and LA Knight both
of them, I mean and we'll see,we'll see how, we'll see how it
goes progressing for this.
But, anything else you got,nope, all right, so I'm Ben, I'm
.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Beth.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
For an episode of Tag Team Talk.
Welcome to the Benny Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
I'm Ben.
I'm Bash.
It's time to lift up your bootsand hit the mat with the Benny
Bash Podcast Tag Team Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right, here we are for another one.
We are going to be reviewingSummerSlam Night 1.
So yeah, interesting thingsgoing on with it.
So, yeah, let's get to it Allright.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
for the first match on night one of SummerSlam, it's
Sami Zayn versus Karrion Kross.
And the stipulation is if SamiZayn loses, he has to admit that
Kross is right.
And then does Karrion Krosshave that same thing, but he has
to say he's wrong about Sami.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
He has to say he's wrong about Sami if he loses
yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
But so I feel like they would have Sami Zayn win,
because I think the story hereis next WrestleMania.
He's going to have either atitle shot.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
No, he's going to have a title shot.
That's so far away, though hecould still lose and still build
later on.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, but it's like Sami Zayn and like Karrion Kross
had like a little build butlike I mean fans were cheering
for him Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Fans were cheering for him.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But like beating Sami Zayn is like strapping a rocket
to him Exactly.
I don't think they're going todo that, so early, you don't
know that.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I mean fans were cheering for him, we won't cross
and all that kind.
Get done with yours.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean, I just personally don't see them
letting Karrion Kross beat SamiZayn, especially on this type of
thing.
People won't forget this entirething and one of the memories
they will have Karrion Krossbeating Sami Zayn.
I just don't see that being amemory in people's minds.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But here's the whole thing, though, Karrion.
So A memory in people's minds.
But here's the whole thing,though.
Karen so far has been rightabout everybody.
He's turned to New Day, he'sturned to all the people that he
was, you know, trying to turnto.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
But Sammy is the only one.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
He can't quite get Mm-hmm, so what better way to
turn?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
to.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Sammy than at SummerSlam.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, and also that would make him say the cross is
right.
If he like say he gets likedisqualified, he would still
have to say it didn't he?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, and though like yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Exactly Just like Becky turned.
Didn't Becky turn heel atSummerSlam against Charlotte
After Charlotte beat her?
When at SummerSlam, I think so.
She attacked her yeah.
So I mean that's usually a goodtime to turn.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
If you're going to turn, yeah, but it's like Becky
Lynch compared to Sami, I mean,it's not the same person.
But I just don't see Sami Zaynturning for one and I don't see
Karrion Kross winning for two.
True, so I'm going to say SamiZayn, I want to say Karrion
Kross.
But I'm trying to win here, I'mnot trying to lose.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, cross, but I'm trying to win here, I'm not
trying to lose.
So for mine, I'm going to gowith Karrion Kross, because the
way Karrion Kross has been goingwith the crowd, the crowd's
been cheering him, it's beenorganic.
They haven't been forcinganything, it's just the fans
like Karrion Kross and Scarlett.
So it's like this is theperfect opportunity for him to
win.
He's been losing every PLE.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
One last PLE he won.
When has he been on?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
a PLE Exactly, and the ones he has been on he's
lost.
Yeah.
So this is the best opportunityfor him to win Right here.
Yeah.
I'm not saying he turns Sammycompletely heel, but you can
have him be more of a more of afighter, you know, like um, not
saying sammy's gonna turn outcompletely healed, but this
(03:32):
could push him, like you saidbefore, push him going toward
the main event.
Yeah, because he's been kind ofbehind the scenes second fiddle
, kevin owens has been up there,jay uso's been up there.
All these people he's taggedwith or been friends with, you
know, have, like you said, putthe rocker on their back and
he's the one that's stillsitting there putting on good
matches but not getting anopportunity to win a
(03:54):
championship, or even close toone, you know, and so he can
still lose and win you know hecan lose his match.
But it can propel him to bebetter because he can lose his
match.
But it can propel him to bebetter because he can be more
aggressive in what he does,going after the belts.
You know you're no better than Iam you just gotta embrace that
(04:16):
part of yourself and go after it?
And Sami Zayn for the longesthas been like a pure nose, red
heart, ricky Steamboat type ofbaby.
Yeah, this might be the firstopportunity where he actually
can not fully, like I said, notfully turn heel, but turn heel
just a little bit.
So with that, I'm gonna like,I'm gonna pick Kross, uh, to win
this one yeah, um.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So for the second match on the card um, it's Randy
Orton and Jelly Roll versusLogan Paul and Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, first, I think we don't know if Drew's going to
fully be there yet 100% I meanlast I saw he was still stuck in
the UK somewhere.
I mean it could be a work now,like he could be back over here
now and they're still sayingthat or he could still be stuck
over there, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I feel like they have no reason to do that Like a
work, but that's an unnecessarywork.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I guess we'll find out on SmackDown if they do what
they do on SmackDown.
Yeah.
You know, since we're doing thisbefore SmackDown, I guess that
we'll figure out what they'redoing before SmackDown.
We'll figure, I guess thatwe'll figure out what they're
doing before SmackDown, likewe'll figure out what they're
doing at SmackDown.
They're gonna they're gonnatalk about it.
Are they gonna mention Drew notbeing there?
Are they gonna say he got here?
You know what they're gonna say, you know, but kind of fresh to
(05:38):
see what they who fills in, orif you know, or if Drew can make
it.
You know that's a question rightnow as far as as far as this
past weekend anyways.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Like I feel like like not like in this match really,
because you could have almostanybody here, but I feel like
Drew McIntyre's hard to replacein like this type of match.
He is hard to replace who hatesRandy Orton so much that he's
willing to team with Logan Pauland also hates outsiders, except
for Logan Paul in the center.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And so you have to get somebody who hates Randy
Orton so much that he'd rathertag with Logan Paul than go get
Randy Orton.
That's a hard one right there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I can't even think of anybody, like just just
randomly.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I can't think of you, know, and the best if Drew
can't go, the best thing to dois to put somebody from New.
York, new Jersey in there,which there's not many wrestlers
though yeah, especially theywould fit that scenario exactly,
you know.
But yeah, who are you?
Who are you picking over?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
let's say the match does happen?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
drew and logan versus , uh, randy and jelly roll.
Who are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
it could be logan paul and anybody, literally
anybody.
I feel like celebrities barelywin I mean always win, and um,
and it's also randy and I feellike they're just more likely to
win.
So I'm going to pick RandyOrton's team.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I mean I like Jelly Roll.
I remember Jelly Roll back inthe day before he did country
music, when he was actuallyrapping in the 36 Mafia.
But yeah, I've been a fan ofJelly Roll, but anyways yeah, I
got Jelly Roll and Randy Ortonas well.
It's hard for me, like you said, it's hard for me to see Randy
Orton as well.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
It's hard for me.
Like you said, it's hard for meto see Randy Orton losing and
Jelly Roll with his debut losing, especially the way he's been
training.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
He's lost a lot.
He's lost a ton of weight yeah,I mean a lot of weight
Supposedly been down at thePerformance Center learning how
to wrestle.
So he's taking it serious, likeBad Bunny did and like Logan
Paul's been doing so so he'staking it serious like.
Bad Bunny did like Logan Paul'sbeen doing.
So he's taking it serious likethem.
He's not just going in thereand going to embarrass himself,
he's going to go in thereknowing how to.
I mean he did a boss man slamor a sidewalk slam or the best
(07:59):
you know black hole slamwhatever you want to call it.
You know he did that slam onLogan Paul the other day.
It looked good.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I mean, he knew what he was doing out there.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah.
So, I'm interested to see whathe looks like it was smooth too,
because, like Logan Paul raninto it, I think yeah, and then
he just did it right away.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So it looks smooth Like, itlooks like in a four.
Obviously, we know he's notgoing to wrestle in a
four-attire match, obviously,but I'm going to be interested
to see what he does.
Do he does get in the ringagainst Logan or Drew or whoever
?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
So like he's probably going to win the match, but
like what would his finish be?
A chokeslam?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Probably that's what he's been doing.
Most people chokeslam or theboss man slam.
I keep saying Bossman.
Slam, but it's probably theBlack Hole because the business
one of the producers backstagehas probably been working with
him.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, so I would say probably the Black Hole Slam
would probably be his finishingmove, more likely One of those
two that or a show slam, I wouldsay so for the next match on
the card, it's the Judgment Day,which is Raquel and Roxanne
(09:12):
Perez versus Charlotte Flair andAlexa Bliss for the WWE Women's
Tag Team Championships, and forthis one I feel like it could
go either way, and they've alsobeen building the tag team
division a lot because, like,they don't really care that much
what they used to not careabout the women's tag team
division a lot Because, like,they don't really care that much
.
Well, they used to not careabout the women's tag team
division, but now they have goodteams and they have good
(09:35):
matches.
But yeah, anyways, I thinkCharlotte and Alexa are going to
win Because, like, mostly theformula for women's tag teams is
like they put two peopletogether, but now they actually
have storylines.
They used to not havestorylines.
Now they put two peopletogether and then they go after
the titles and they almostalways win, like it's almost
(09:55):
100% guaranteed that two newpeople just win the titles.
So I think charlotte and alexactually I don't know.
I feel like the story might gobetter if charlotte and alexa
win, maybe to take the titlesoff of them and go into Liv's
story.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
But is Liv going to be back that fast?
She's going to be back thatfast.
She might not be back untilSurvivor Series or later.
I mean with a shoulder.
I mean look how long Rhea wasout with a similar type injury.
Yeah.
So Liv dislocated her shoulder,which means she could come back
.
Yeah, so live, dislocatedshoulder, which means she could
come back.
You know, dislocated shoulder,depending on how bad is
dislocated, could keep her outfor a few months to several
(10:36):
months, and I haven't heard howbad it was.
To know how.
You know, if I knew how bad itwas, maybe you can kind of give
an estimate on when she may be,back, but not knowing how how
severe the uh dislocatedshoulder was, you don't really
know how long she's going to beout.
Yeah, I mean, if you know shewas coming back soon, then yeah,
it makes sense.
But if she's not coming backuntil the Survivor Series or
(10:58):
even the Royal Rumble, then itdoesn't make sense for them to
lose right now.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Mm-hmm, but yeah wait .
So who?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
do you think the winner?
Who do you pick?
I picked charlotte and alexa.
Yeah, you, you used the wordthat you said.
What do you say about peoplewho get put together?
they sometimes win yeah this issometimes lose that's what you
think yeah, one with judgmentday winning is keeping the belt
for a little bit longer becauseof what you said, the the when
still lives, comes back.
I don't think she'll be back bysummer slam, so I'm gonna say
(11:35):
they're gonna keep the beltuntil she does come back and you
know something happens withthat, but until then they don't
lose that belt.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I don't think.
Uh, honestly, I could see thejudgment day winning.
Actually, I see thegment Daywinning almost more than
Charlotte and Alexa.
But I feel like they just valuethose two superstars and they
want to put titles on them.
You know, they are not singlestitles for once.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Especially with Charlotte Flair.
They're not a singles title.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I think this has helped Charlotte out
tremendously, though you knowshe was getting booed.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
She was getting booed .
Speaker 2 (12:12):
She was getting booed , yeah, and now she's basically
a baby face now she's, she'sgetting cheered a little bit
because she's with alexa andalexa's a face status.
No matter how bad or good alexa, she gets cheered.
I think her she's kind ofrubbing off on charlie and
people are people are seeing.
I think what's helping charlieout is people are seeing a
personality with her, becausenormally she's no nonsense,
(12:33):
straight to the thing.
Give me my championship.
I want my championship.
This is my championship.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I got it and then wins it every time.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And then wins it every time and then retains it
for a little bit, you know,whatever, this is one of the
first times where you'reactually seeing her personality
kind of comes out.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
She's been doing the cheer stuff, the backstage
segments.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You know we're not friends but we're friends type
of thing.
You know we're seeing morepersonality from Charlotte which
honestly I think has helpedpeople get to know her a little
better than they have in thelast what 10 years she's been
there to be.
Yeah, I think it's working forthem.
This is a summer slam, though Ithink about that.
(13:13):
They usually do have big, bigteams win summer slam.
It does help the storylinebetter if charlotte and alexa
wins, but I'm gonna stick withmy.
I'm gonna stick with myoriginal pick Judging Day and
have them retain.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But um, that's what you're going to say about that.
Yeah that's it All right.
And for the fourth match on thecard is Tiffany Stratton versus
Jade Cargill for the WWEWomen's Championship, and for
this one, I mean it doesn't havethat much of a build.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
A little bit, but not too.
But they've been more friendsthan anything.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
They've been helping out each other and they've had
segments with somebody else.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, I mean you got two babyfaces.
This would have been a perfecttime to turn Jade heel.
This would have been a babyface.
We could have had her, like, goafter Tiffany a few times, yeah
, you know, and make the fansboo her a little bit.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And like babyface versus babyface.
Unless it's just like two likeperformers that are going to
have like an amazing match, itdoesn't really work and like I
can't really see that honestly,because like Jay Kroger and
Tiffany Stratton could put onlike a decent match I won't even
deny that, but like I don't seethem putting on like a
five-star match here yeah, Imean Jay's still fairly new to
(14:41):
wrestling.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean she's not new, she's been wrestling for a few
years now.
Was the aw for a whileundefeated?
There was she.
No, she lost once or twice inaw.
I think she lost her belly.
She lost a rematch um chrisstatland, I believe yeah I think
that's what it was, but um, butyeah, so, and tiffany's fairly
(15:03):
new too.
I mean both of them are fairlynew, but they've both been
extremely good in the ring.
You know they both took, asthey say, took to it like a fish
, like a fish to water.
You know they both just been,you know as they say, hitting
the ground running.
You know they've both been goodoff the bat and this should be
a good match.
Not sure if I will put it as agreat match quite yet.
(15:26):
I mean, give it a few moreyears, about two, three more
years.
This will be probably a mainevent night one on WrestleMania
match with them Maybe, yeah,with the Star Power.
You know what I'm saying Withthe Star Power, in two, three
years this will probablydefinitely be a main event in
WrestleMania, like night one,you know.
But yeah, with that, who'd?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
you pick.
Oh, I haven't picked you.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
OK, go ahead and pick yours.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean I was still thinking, but like I feel like
Jade, probably especially withNaomi out of the picture,
because everybody thought she'dgo cash in.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
So she's already cashed in.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, she's already cashed in, so I'm going to say
Jade wins.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You think Jade's going to win her first time?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I just thought about something now what I think
Bianca's cleared now.
I was watching her thing withChris Van Vliet.
It looks like she said herfinger was healed.
Oh, and that was filmed, Ithink a week or two ago, I think
, mm-hmm To show him.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I saw that I didn't see the whole thing, but I saw a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, and I think she said her finger was healed or
close to being healed whichmeans she could easily come back
at SummerSlam.
That could be a good way ofturning her heel, you know?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
because, yeah, Jade, and her won tag team titles, but
she ain't won really nothingsince Jade came.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I mean her and Jade.
You know tagged together andwon tag team belts, but you know
.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Jade's the reason, her and Naomi's not friends
anymore, she's, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
But I think Tiffany's going to win, with a possible
interference from Bianca.
I don't know how or if it'sgoing to happen yet, but I think
Bianca is going to get involvedsome kind of way in that match.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
But I got Tiffany Stratton taking a W on that one.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, for the next match on the card is Roman
Reigns and Jey Uso versusBronson Reed and Braun Breaker,
with Paul Heyman in their corner.
Bronson Reed and Brown Breakerwith Paul Heyman in their corner
.
So like this one is supposed tobe Roman versus Seth, but Seth
got injured, right.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I would think it would have been Roman versus
Seth, and Seth would probablycash in that night too.
But because he's hurt, you haveto pivot a little bit.
And now you got Roman and Jay,which now you get.
But that's a good thing aboutthat.
You get Jay on the card andthen you got Brunson and Brown
on the card.
So now you got three guys whoprobably would have been on that
(18:08):
card had Steph not got hurt.
Maybe because they might havebeen LA Knight and Jay you know,
true, but LA Knight's not onthe card at all.
Mm-hmm, we'll talk about thatlater, but we'll talk about that
after we get done All right,but yeah, who you got for this
one?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I mean, I don't see Roman Reigns Like Roman Reigns
now and Jey Uso losing toBrunson Reed and Braun Breaker.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Did you not see Braun Breaker do something?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
with money, I know, but no matter what, it's Roman
Reigns.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I know it is, but Roman Reigns has lost tag team
matches before, though.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So it's not out of the possibility for him to lose
a tag team match.
He's lost before to Jey Uso.
Matter of fact, uso's beatRoman Reigns in solo, yeah.
So it's not out of the realm ofpossibility of Roman Reigns to
lose to Braun and Bronson, Imean with Paul Heyman in their
(19:03):
corner.
I mean, what can Paul Heymannot do?
I mean, everything he touchesturns to gold pretty much.
I mean, look what we did at ECWBrock, cm Punk, and then he had
, uh what?
Gilly Cuddy and them guys, paulHeyman, guys, I mean you know,
(19:24):
I mean, look at all he did.
I mean, and he got Roman.
Look what he did to Roman.
He took Roman to a wholeanother stratosphere.
Mm-hmm, he took Roman for beinga good wrestler.
I mean, but yeah, you put PaulHeyman and Braun together.
Oh man, you're talking aboutrecipe for whatever they want to
(19:45):
do.
In the meantime, until Sethcomes back, you can put that
rocket on Braun or Bronson'sback for right now and hold a
fort down, as they say, untilSeth comes back.
But yeah, I got.
But with that being said too, Idon't.
I think it's going to be a goodmatch.
I think Braun's going to getall his stuff in, but I think
it's just going to be too muchoverpower for Roman and Jey.
(20:09):
They're going to pull it out ofthe victory.
So I got.
I'm going to pick Roman and Jeyfor the win.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know.
So I got them two for the win,mm-hmm.
And for the next match on thecard and the main event of night
one, summerslam, it's Guntherversus CM Punk for the World
Heavyweight Championship.
Yep, and this one again.
While Seth Rollins is out ofthe picture, cm Punk could win,
and just win the title.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I thought Seth Rollins would have cashed in on
this match.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Without Seth Rollins in the picture.
What if Gunther just retains?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's the problem I have.
I don't know.
I think what would havehappened, I think, had Seth not
got hurt, is CM Punk beatsGunther and then Seth catches on
CM Punk to stop him fromwinning the belt and enjoying it
.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He won the belt, 30 seconds boom and he now lost the
belt and also people think thatSeth still might come back, but
I just don't see it.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If he does.
The knee injury wasn't as badas they said it was.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
He had a knee injury.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That's a known fact.
Yeah, you can tell the way hehad a knee injury.
Here's the thing too.
You don't fake stuff like that.
You don't fake an injury likethat, because if you do, you
come back and get hurt for realdoing that.
You know you fake a knee injurylike that.
Let's say he was doing his work.
You know you fake a knee injurylike that.
You come back and stretch yourknee like that yeah, and then
(21:41):
you're out for real for a yearor whatever.
You know, I don't think that'sa.
I don't think it's a fakeinjury.
I think it's a legit injury.
Now the severity of it, I don'tknow if it's a surgery or he
doesn't need surgery.
Let it heal on his own.
If he needs surgery he's gonnabe out six to twelve months.
Yeah, so he's already let itheal on his own.
If he needs surgery, he's goingto be out six to twelve months.
So he's not coming back untilthe end of the year.
(22:05):
Royal Rumble, maybe evenWrestleMania, before Money in
the Bank in the summer, he maynot come back.
If it's a legit injury.
He's not coming back untilRoyal Rumble, royal Rumble,
wrestlemania he's not comingback until If it's not as bad.
He's not coming back to RoryRumble, rory Rumble,
wrestlemania.
He's not coming back to If it'snot as bad he can be back, maybe
by Survivor Series.
I think I don't see him at allcoming back as SummerSlam At all
(22:28):
.
There's no way, based on theway the injury looked anyways.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I think um Sam.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's a horrible.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Because, like I don't know what I feel, like I don't
see CM Punk winning if SethRollins not in the picture.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean he could win and hold a belt.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know what I'm going to say?
Cm Punk wins and then getscashed in.
What?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
about that by Seth.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Rollins Yep.
What if that happens, you know?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I mean, I don't think Seth Rollins is healthy enough
to cash in and hold a belt?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, honestly.
But like no, I'm going to sayGunther.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I mean, you don't see CM Punk but I just don't think
Seth Rollins is going to cash in.
No, I just don't, because CM.
Punk holds the belt long enough.
I mean, I don't see CM Punklosing two back-to-back title
matches he lost to John.
Cena at in.
(23:29):
Saudi Arabia and he's going toturn around and lose.
He's going through two if heloses this, he has no business
asking for a title shot.
Now Come both of them.
He didn't I mean not saying hedidn't earn them, but neither
one of them.
He just walked up to them andsaid he wanted a match and they
gave him a match.
So he can't do it anymore.
This is his last leg.
(23:49):
If he loses this, he's done asfar as the world titles go.
As long as Gunther and JohnCena have them.
Yeah, John Cena have him.
Yeah, Because I mean John Cenabeat him.
Whether it was fair or not,John Cena beat him and then
Gunther's wrestling him andGunther's a better wrestler than
John Cena is?
Mm-hmm, it's not a hard take tomake you know, as far as just
regular wrestling, John Cena's abetter wrestler than him.
(24:13):
You know, but uh, but uh, butyeah.
So I got, I got.
I'm gonna go ahead and pickgunther for the win on this one
as well.
I don't see cm punk winningright now, especially not
because, especially since uhseth rollins is still injured,
so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Hold on, let me see you picked cm punk, didn't you?
You pick gunther CM Punk,didn't he Mm?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Mm, you pick Gonten.
No, just call you pick Gonten.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I'm going to go and pick CM Punk, then I'm going to
go ahead and pick CM Punk.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That's what I was saying about him.
Not losing two back-to-backchampionships Make him I mean,
he can't keep saying the best inthe world and lose every title
match you have.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
So far he's lost every title match he's been back
.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
He hasn't held a world title in 10 years.
As far as WWE goes, he had onein AEW.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
He hasn't held a title in 10 years he had an.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
AEW world championship in AEW.
So he didn't have a worldchampionship in those 10 years.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But he had a WWE world championship in those 10
years.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So in those 10 years but he hadn't had a WB World
Championship in those 10 years,yeah.
So yeah, I'm going to go withCM Punk to win, but how long he
has it don't know.
But I'm going to go with him towin and be going through for
the belt Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But yeah, that's it for the card.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Oh yeah, let me add a little bit too before we go
into night.
Two later.
Why is LA Knight and Bayley noton this card at all?
Yeah.
I mean, if Bayley doesn't showup at SummerSlam, she
Wrestlemania and SummerSlam andthink about it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Hold on.
I don't know about you, but mepersonally.
Bayley should have won thatmatch.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I think she would have too.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think she should have too cause like this is just
a rematch with Lara and Beckyexactly but this is this is a
yeah, we're gonna see that oneon next week and I think it
would be a better match there isa simulation in that match,
though.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, and I feellike it would be better, not a
better match.
Really, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But Bayley versus Becky has more story.
Has more storyline.
Has more storyline, I think Imean Lyra and Becky has a good
one, because Ly the fan battle,like Becky did.
I mean all this good stuff.
So they have a similarbackstory which makes them
almost equal.
(26:42):
Just Becky's been doing itlonger and Lyra's the new one
that's trying to come up and getwhat Becky has.
Yeah, you know so they've beenfighting over that.
But yeah, the fact that youdon't have LA Knight or Bayley
on SummerSlam card I mean two ofthe not to say the biggest
stars, but two of the mostconsistent ones out here I mean
that's, I don't get it.
(27:03):
Yeah.
I don't get it.
I don't get why you don't havethem two on here.
You know, like I said, I mean Iget Elliot Knight was on
SummerSlam.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
He lost his belt to Jacob.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
He was at WrestleMania.
You can't put everybody onevery card, I understand that.
But, bayley, she missedWrestleMania for Becky Because
Becky came back fromWrestleMania, and then now she's
missing SummerSlam because ofLyra.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Her last match was her last fifth review.
Match was Bayley.
I think her last fifth reviewwas Elimination Chamber, because
I think she beat Lyra for thespot at Elimination Chamber, I
think.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I think.
So that was probably her lastone, yeah, and so, yeah,
hopefully, hopefully, I do writeabout Bailey and LA Knight both
of them, I mean and we'll see,we'll see how, we'll see how it
goes progressing for this.
But, anything else you got,nope, all right, so I'm Ben, I'm
.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Beth.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
For an episode of Tag Team Talk.
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