August 6, 2025 • 22 mins
The quest for healthier, more youthful skin can be overwhelming with contradictory advice and miracle promises flooding social media. Kelli Rogers from Performance Medicine cuts through the noise in this enlightening conversation about what truly works in skincare.
Kelli reveals why your daily skincare routine forms the essential foundation upon which all other treatments build—comparing skincare neglect to only flossing right before a dentist appointment. She expertly breaks down the science behind the two non-negotiable skincare ingredients everyone needs: Vitamin C for morning application and Vitamin A (retinol or tretinoin) for nighttime use. Far from just another anti-aging recommendation, Kelli explains how Vitamin C actively protects skin not just from sun damage but from indoor lighting, computer screens, and environmental heat exposure that most people never consider.
For those intimidated by retinol, Kelli provides a practical, step-by-step approach to introducing this powerhouse ingredient without irritation—starting with lower concentrations used just once or twice weekly before gradually increasing frequency. She dispels common misconceptions about high-SPF sunscreens and explains why physical sunblocks that reflect UV rays offer superior protection compared to chemical formulations that absorb them.
What sets this conversation apart is Kelli's refreshing honesty about skincare marketing hype. "If it's too good to be true in skincare, it is," she warns, encouraging listeners to approach viral TikTok and Instagram products with healthy skepticism. Instead, she details how professional treatments like Ultherapy, Cool Peel CO2 laser, and microneedling work synergistically to address different aspects of aging skin—all with minimal downtime compared to procedures from a decade ago.
Ready to stop wasting money on trendy products that don't deliver? Listen now to discover how to build a skincare routine that actually works, customize it to your lifestyle, and combine it with the right professional treatments for naturally beautiful, healthy skin that truly stands the test of time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do I need to put my headphones on?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, Okay, this is Benchmark Happenings, brought to
you by Jonathan and Steve fromBenchmark Home Loans.
Northeast Tennessee, johnsonCity, kingsport, bristol, the
Tri-Cities One of the mostbeautiful places in the country
to live.
Tons of great things to do andawesome local businesses.
(00:25):
And on this show you'll findout why people are dying to move
to Northeast Tennessee and onthe way, we'll have discussions
about mortgages and we'llinterview people in the real
estate industry.
It's what we do.
This is Benchmark Happenings,brought to you by Benchmark Home
Loans and now your host,christine Reed.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Welcome back everybody to another episode of
Benchmark Happenings, and thestar of our show today is Miss
Kelly Rogers from PerformanceMedicine.
Hey Kelly, hello Christine, howare you, oh, doing great, doing
great.
I'm so glad you came in today.
Yes, kelly, hello Christine,how are you, oh, doing great,
doing great.
I'm so glad you came in today.
Yes, same here.
(01:09):
Always good to see you,absolutely, and we have a little
friend with us today.
Yes, my son.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
He's a little furry son a little scrappy.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I have one of those too.
Oh, they're the best they areand he is so good.
He's so good, he just hangs out.
He's a precious little boy buta little scrappy, so you can
just hang out here and makeyourself at home.
So, Kelly, you know we did apodcast.
It's been a while and I thinkyou know we really talked about
(01:42):
things that you're doing atPerformance, and you know I love
the functional medicine, I loveperformance, but also I've been
coming to you for someaesthetics treatments.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Actually after we did the podcast, right?
Yes, so tell me some new coolthings that are happening now.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So this year I've really been incorporating
ultimate duos, which you knowwe've talked about and we've we
did the the cool peel CO2 on youand I tell everybody we did
three treatments, one a month,and downtime was practically
(02:25):
zero.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The recovery time was just, it was so easy and the
results were amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yes, and why the downtime is minimal is because
we prepped your skin beforehandwith good skincare products.
We prepped your skin beforehandwith good skincare products and
that is essential because Inotice when people have more
downtime or any kind of likeweird, you know reaction of any
sorts.
It's because they're not ingood skincare.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Right, right, and that's really the sort of the
hallmark, isn't it, kelly?
I mean, I think we can, youknow, maybe have a facelift or
filler Botox and all thosethings which you know they're
great.
That's what you want to do.
But we're kind of forgettingthe foundation, right.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I was just going to say that the foundation, your
everyday routine, is just likewith everything Working out.
You know people ask me how longwill results last?
And it's up to them.
I mean it's really I can'temphasize enough important.
To do your daily routine youhave to have your vitamin c
(03:38):
because it's going to suppressthat melanin in your skin.
So once we do these things likeco2, laser, old therapy, you
want to protect the investmentand you don't want those spots
coming back up.
You know your collagen hangingback down or diminishing, um,
and the way to keep that is bydoing your vitamin C, your
(03:59):
vitamin A and of course you knowthe fluffy serums like you've
got your, your peptides.
You know more of the expensivestuff.
I meant vitamin C is not cheap.
You can get a retinol ortretinoin more on the cheaper
side, but I mean it is.
It is worth it for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And you don't have to .
Speaker 1 (04:20):
People get afraid of retinol and I think we've talked
about this or tretinoin,because they don't know how to
use it, and so my job is toteach you that you do not have
to use it every night.
You can build up to every nightif you want Tretinoin, you
should not build up every night.
Anybody that's on tretinoinevery single night it shows.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
And it makes your skin peel too if you're not used
to right.
So how do you build up usingthe tretinoin?
Because it's it's prettyaffordable if you get a
prescription for it and and, um,you know, purchase it from your
pharmacist.
So how should you apply thatretin-a?
Because I know that's a, that'sa biggie.
A lot of people use that.
(05:03):
Then, on the downside Kelly,you're the expert.
I mean, is there a downside tousing the retinol?
So how should we build up tousing that?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So what you want to do is start out with a low-grade
retinol so like a 0.25, a 0.3,and start with like twice a week
.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I mean I started with once a week because I have
really sensitive skin, Um, but Ibuilt up to just about every
two nights, every other night,Um.
But it took me a while to dothat and I'm using it
consistently because my I didn'thave that crazy reaction of
like peeling, because I slowlyhave built up.
So once you get you know towhere you can use that low grade
(05:45):
, like every night, then you canbump up to the 0.5.
Then you do the same thingStart out with once a week,
build up to twice a week, soevery two weeks you want to kind
of see how your skin's doingand you know, I mean, if you're
like peeling, like crazy backoff or apply it on top of your
moisturizer.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Okay, yeah, so it doesn't.
So it doesn't penetrate.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And what are some of the?
I mean, you have so manyphenomenal products um in your
studio.
What are some of the ones thatwe can talk about, the ones that
I do, but what are some thingsthat you would suggest for
people that you know I'm goingto start a skincare regime at
home.
What should, what should theystart using from your product
(06:29):
line?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So I like to have them start with the essentials,
which is the vitamin C andvitamin.
A and make sure they know howto use it.
You have your vitamin C in themorning and your retin-A at
night, okay, or your retinol,tretinoin and I wouldn't use
tretinoin.
Side note, if you don't havelike really terrible skin, if
(06:53):
your skin's pretty normal, Iwould use a retinol.
It's just more aestheticallypleasing, okay to the skin, just
because it's not super harshand you're gonna use it more.
That's the key you want to like.
I ask people, hey, are you aregimen person like, are you a
step one, two, three, four, five?
And if they're not, then I makeit super basic for them.
(07:15):
I give, give them onemoisturizer, what you know, say
you've got to do the vitamin Cin the morning, right, right.
And then I do have some creamswith retinol in it.
So, there's a new one from ObagiI really like and you can use
that every night just cause it'sa slow time release retinol.
So it's I kind of feel out whatthey're going to do versus.
(07:40):
You know, I've had people whenI first started doing this, you
know I would be like, okay, youneed this, this, this and you
know, load them up with about 20products and they would return
it saying I don't, I'm not goingto do this, like.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I can't do it.
Yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah.
So you really have to fit.
You know say what are you goingto do?
Very important.
I mean I've built up to likeI'm like 20 step regimen person
now, but I mean I get it, peopledon't want to do a million
steps.
I mean a lot of people areeither morning routine or night
routine people, which isinteresting to me, but I mean
(08:16):
that's important too.
So it's like if you're amorning person, you need vitamin
c.
If you're, you know, more of a,you know, night regimen person,
then you've got to make surethey have the vitamin a.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Okay, and is it in the summertime?
If you're out in the sun a lot,is it okay to still use your
vitamin c in the morning?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
yes, yes for sure, and actually it's going to
protect your skin from heat.
Um, so our skin is not justreactive to the sun?
Okay, it's reactive to thelights in your house computer
screen, your phone heat, wow, soit's basically environmental
triggers Interesting, yes whichthe vitamin C is protecting
(08:55):
against.
Did not know that.
Now, in the summer, you do wantto be cautious of retinol.
You might want to back off alittle bit if you're going to be
in the sun a lot because youknow it's more, you're more
prone to burning, um, but I mean, if you have good sunscreen,
that's another key thing.
Oh yeah, you gotta have goodsunscreen and it should be a
mineral based right.
(09:16):
Yes, and I like a physicalsunscreen instead of a chemical.
The physical sunscreen actuallytakes the rays from the sun and
bounces it back off your skin.
Chemical absorbs those rays.
There are a few, you know,medical grade chemical ones, but
I don't like my skin absorbinganything.
(09:37):
That's going to age.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So what about the physical ones?
What's some brands of thatsunscreen that people could
purchase At?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
our office.
We have Revision, okay, and Ilove that.
It's a tinted moisturizer withSPF 45.
And SPF like 30 to 100, it'spretty much going to be the same
thing.
I'd say like 45, 50 to 100.
Gotcha, you don't have to useSPf 100.
It's gonna be the same thing as50, okay, in my opinion, I mean
(10:05):
, but you know, because we wouldcarry a spf 100 if that was
like necessary it's not, butit's only going to last.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, it only lasts for just a few hours, right,
don Don't you have to reapply.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So, yeah, If you're going to be so, like in the
morning, you put your tinted SPFon after your vitamin C and
then if you're going to go outlater, like say four or five
hours later, yeah, you can.
You know, I would reapply againjust to be sure, but our
sunscreens are awesome and I'vefelt like for myself I don't
(10:40):
have to reapply as much, that'sgood.
Yeah, and I've got differentsunscreen suggestions based on
what you're doing, if you'regoing to the beach.
I like our SkinCeuticals SPF 50.
It's really lightweight.
I don't know if that's the oneyou got.
I do.
I have that one.
Love that one and that's what Ilove during the summer because
(11:07):
it's just, it's like nothing onyour skin.
You know a lot of people don'tlike the feeling of sunscreen,
that heavy, you know, but thatone, just I mean it's like air.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
It is and it goes on really well and it doesn't take
much at all.
But I use that when I'm out bythe pool and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So, yes, that's, that's great.
And you want to make sure youget your neck and your decollete
, Um, I mean all over really.
But, um, I don't love spraysunscreens.
I feel like they don't go onright, or you know I you know
I'm big into medical gradesunscreens because I burned
(11:43):
before off of just over thecounter stuff and I've reapplied
it like a million times and Iapply my skin citicles at one
time.
Right, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's what I put that on.
I don't have any.
I don't get any extra sun on myface.
You know when I use that Rightso, for using vitamin C and
sunscreen and the retinol atnight, and I know that I've been
using, like, the revision boost, yes, yes.
So I love the boost and theneck, the neck firming.
(12:15):
I think everybody needs alittle neck firming A hundred
percent and you everybody needsa little neck firming A hundred
percent, and you do need a neckcream.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think it's great when people put their skincare
products on their neck, but yourneck does have a different kind
of collagen it is the same ason your eyelids.
So you have got to take care ofyour neck differently than your
, your face.
But you know, I say this topeople like you who are going to
do that, people that aren'tgoing to do it just tell them to
(12:43):
put their skincare on theirneck.
You know, Right?
I mean, it's all about whatyou're going to do, because you
don't want to waste your money.
But those people do eventuallyend up, you know, finding it's
not that hard, Right, Right,it's like brushing your teeth.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So I mean, it's like adding the next level of
flossing your teeth Exactly youknow you don't floss right
before you go to the dentist.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, I mean, it's got the plaque buildup you can't
.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You can't remove it If you've not flossed.
That's true.
It's the same thing with comingto you.
I mean, you can look atpeople's skin and tell if
they've had, you know, goodskincare and and everything.
So what are some other thingsthat that cause you know, to me?
I think it's just so confusing.
There's so many products outthere for people to use.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Um, I would be weary of hype, hype products on
Instagram, on TikTok.
If it's too good to be true inskincare, it is Okay, a hundred
percent.
I mean, I know the Kardashianslook great, but they, I mean,
(13:56):
are fed things to promote, sure,great, but they, I mean, are
fed things to promote becauseit's cheap to make and people
just flock straight to it.
You know you hit that button.
No, yeah, just just you have tobe.
Do your research.
Yeah, talk to a professional.
Um, don't be Dr.
Google, uh, actually, when itcomes to those products, maybe,
you know you want to, and I'vefallen for stuff like that too
(14:17):
Google, actually, when it comesto those products, maybe, and
I've fallen for stuff like thattoo.
I think that you know, like GuaSha tools are great, but people
think that they're going to buythat and their skin's just
going to be completely different.
Not the case, right, right.
So that's what I would be kindof skeptical of, because there
(14:40):
is a lot out there, there is,and it's just.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
and it's so enticing too, because when you see those
ads, we're all on social mediaand we think, oh, man, that
looks because there's one.
She says she's a dermatologistand she has this promise to get
rid of your dark spots.
You know, and it goes throughthe, if you listen to the video
which I never do cause I getbored- and it's like you know.
(15:06):
They just rope you in, you know, and just keep listening, and
keep listening.
But those products never work,Do they Kelly?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
No, and you can't promise that.
So people will come to me andsay, okay, so this product is
going to get rid of all of mydark spots?
No, it's not.
It's going to help and maybe,but you got to use it right and
don't expect a miracle out ofany product, don't you just?
(15:44):
Like I, my thing is I underpromise and over deliver,
because you don't want to tellpeople hey, yeah, this is um.
You're gonna look like you'vehad a facelift from this you
might but everybody's skin'sdifferent, everybody's diet's
different.
Everything works together.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Right, and it's all about a combination of what we
do, what we eat, our lifestyleif we're drinking water and I
think we talked about that thelast time and our skin is going
to reflect our lifestyle, andit's a combination of having
these facials.
And so let's talk about theproducts we've talked about, but
(16:21):
let's talk about some of theprocedures.
The Cool Peel, yes, which Ilove.
We're going to do Cool Peelagain this fall.
Yes, Because I really believeit's just consistently having
those combinations of treatments, right, kelly Mm-hmm?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yes, you want to do.
Yeah, a CO2 laser is always anawesome thing.
So that's what the Cool Peel is, without the downtime of a CO2,
because the way things, thetechnology were now, versus 10
years ago, you don't have tohave that downtime of swelling
and your skin just weeping and,you know, gauze wrapped around
(16:58):
it.
No, um, so that's the beauty ofyou.
Know what's happening right nowwith the industry, is you?
Know you don't have downtime Umit's great.
Yeah, but, like I said, it isabout your products you use and
and all that stuff.
But um yeah, the CO2 is great.
I love to combine that withmicroneedling.
Um yeah, so that's one ultimatedo that.
I love, I like to do alltherapy before, so tell us about
(17:21):
all therapy.
So that is radio frequency andit's going to, excuse me, lift
your skin by creating thermaldamage.
Um, the technology is just tolift and it also helps with
texture, um, a little bit, butit's mainly you know to lift, so
(17:42):
you don't just want to liftyour face, you also want to help
with the texture and you knowfine lines.
So that's where the CO2 and thecool peel is going to come in.
So, if you have um, likescarring, uh, like acne scars or
um, yeah, I would say, um, justa lot of damage on your skin.
(18:05):
Um, I love the microneedlingwith a CO2 on top.
You can even do all therapy,then microneedling and then a
CO2 on top.
Ooh, if you want, yeah, but youknow you want to go to somebody
that knows what they're doingExactly.
Um, because old therapy doesget a bad rap sometimes because
it depends on who does it.
So, um, old therapy does get abad rap sometimes because it
(18:25):
depends on who does it.
So there are certain depths thatcan melt fat, which I don't use
on people unless they want tomelt fat somewhere.
So you have to be careful, likeI said, about who you go to for
it.
It's great, though, becausethere's no downtime, nope, and
it's just a gradual lift.
It looks natural and it buildscollagen.
(18:45):
So you always want to bebuilding collagen in your skin,
whether or not you've had afacelift or you know whatever,
and you can do.
There are different techniqueswith the old therapy that you
can do like a lighter version,and you can repeat that every
three months, if you wanted to,until you get where you want to
be.
So I love Ultherapy for, like alower lift, like if you've got
(19:10):
jowls.
It's great for that, but theresults do.
They're over time, but there'snow a device that we hope to get
, that's almost immediateresults using the old therapy
(19:31):
technology.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That would be awesome .
Yes, you showed that to me.
You showed me a picture of that,yes, yeah, we're hoping that
that will be coming soon.
So the old therapy, which Ithink is great and I think
everybody kind of tolerates itdifferently, right?
Yes, I do really well with CoolPeel, I do okay with oil
(19:56):
therapy.
But one thing I love that youcan do is that if you want just
a refresher under your eyes,that's the way to go.
So they just people come andsee you.
They don't really need a lot ofBotox and fillers and things
like that, just come and get apass of all therapy under your
eyes.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
A single pass of all therapy under the eyes is
amazing and you can literally dothat every three weeks if you
want it to.
It's got with puffiness, finelines and it's got to build
collagen.
Like I said, building collagenis key because Botox is not
building collagen, it's freezingyour muscles and so a lot of
times people will just do Botoxand then they've got terrible
(20:35):
skin.
And the skin integrity isreally important because you
can't it's like pinning skin upwith a nail.
Sure, you want that skin to bestrong so it can hold up on its
own Right.
So if you do get Botox, Ihighly recommend old therapy and
(20:57):
cool.
All of it builds collagen, allof it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And using the good products on top of that.
Yes, so well, kelly, this hasbeen so good and I really
appreciate I love the analogiesthat you use, thank you, and
just having your expertise inskin care, because I know you do
a lot of education and arereally big into that and I just
(21:21):
so appreciate that.
So it's just a comfort level tocome to you to say, okay, what
do I need?
You're a wonderful consultantwith skincare.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So how can people get in touch with you?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
They can call our Johnson City office, okay, or
they can go to our website.
They can email me, kelly, withan I at performancemedicinenet.
Yeah, just give us a callInstagram all of the above?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, okay, all right , kelly.
Well, hopefully you'll comeback and bring Scrappy.
Yes, I will.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yes, I will and I will see you soon.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Thanks, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Thank you.
Do I need to put my headphones on?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, Okay, this is Benchmark Happenings, brought to
you by Jonathan and Steve fromBenchmark Home Loans.
Northeast Tennessee, johnsonCity, kingsport, bristol, the
Tri-Cities One of the mostbeautiful places in the country
to live.
Tons of great things to do andawesome local businesses.
(00:25):
And on this show you'll findout why people are dying to move
to Northeast Tennessee and onthe way, we'll have discussions
about mortgages and we'llinterview people in the real
estate industry.
It's what we do.
This is Benchmark Happenings,brought to you by Benchmark Home
Loans and now your host,christine Reed.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Welcome back everybody to another episode of
Benchmark Happenings, and thestar of our show today is Miss
Kelly Rogers from PerformanceMedicine.
Hey Kelly, hello Christine, howare you, oh, doing great, doing
great.
I'm so glad you came in today.
Yes, kelly, hello Christine,how are you, oh, doing great,
doing great.
I'm so glad you came in today.
Yes, same here.
(01:09):
Always good to see you,absolutely, and we have a little
friend with us today.
Yes, my son.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
He's a little furry son a little scrappy.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I have one of those too.
Oh, they're the best they areand he is so good.
He's so good, he just hangs out.
He's a precious little boy buta little scrappy, so you can
just hang out here and makeyourself at home.
So, Kelly, you know we did apodcast.
It's been a while and I thinkyou know we really talked about
(01:42):
things that you're doing atPerformance, and you know I love
the functional medicine, I loveperformance, but also I've been
coming to you for someaesthetics treatments.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Actually after we did the podcast, right?
Yes, so tell me some new coolthings that are happening now.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So this year I've really been incorporating
ultimate duos, which you knowwe've talked about and we've we
did the the cool peel CO2 on youand I tell everybody we did
three treatments, one a month,and downtime was practically
(02:25):
zero.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The recovery time was just, it was so easy and the
results were amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yes, and why the downtime is minimal is because
we prepped your skin beforehandwith good skincare products.
We prepped your skin beforehandwith good skincare products and
that is essential because Inotice when people have more
downtime or any kind of likeweird, you know reaction of any
sorts.
It's because they're not ingood skincare.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Right, right, and that's really the sort of the
hallmark, isn't it, kelly?
I mean, I think we can, youknow, maybe have a facelift or
filler Botox and all thosethings which you know they're
great.
That's what you want to do.
But we're kind of forgettingthe foundation, right.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I was just going to say that the foundation, your
everyday routine, is just likewith everything Working out.
You know people ask me how longwill results last?
And it's up to them.
I mean it's really I can'temphasize enough important.
To do your daily routine youhave to have your vitamin c
(03:38):
because it's going to suppressthat melanin in your skin.
So once we do these things likeco2, laser, old therapy, you
want to protect the investmentand you don't want those spots
coming back up.
You know your collagen hangingback down or diminishing, um,
and the way to keep that is bydoing your vitamin C, your
(03:59):
vitamin A and of course you knowthe fluffy serums like you've
got your, your peptides.
You know more of the expensivestuff.
I meant vitamin C is not cheap.
You can get a retinol ortretinoin more on the cheaper
side, but I mean it is.
It is worth it for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And you don't have to .
Speaker 1 (04:20):
People get afraid of retinol and I think we've talked
about this or tretinoin,because they don't know how to
use it, and so my job is toteach you that you do not have
to use it every night.
You can build up to every nightif you want Tretinoin, you
should not build up every night.
Anybody that's on tretinoinevery single night it shows.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
And it makes your skin peel too if you're not used
to right.
So how do you build up usingthe tretinoin?
Because it's it's prettyaffordable if you get a
prescription for it and and, um,you know, purchase it from your
pharmacist.
So how should you apply thatretin-a?
Because I know that's a, that'sa biggie.
A lot of people use that.
(05:03):
Then, on the downside Kelly,you're the expert.
I mean, is there a downside tousing the retinol?
So how should we build up tousing that?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So what you want to do is start out with a low-grade
retinol so like a 0.25, a 0.3,and start with like twice a week
.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I mean I started with once a week because I have
really sensitive skin, Um, but Ibuilt up to just about every
two nights, every other night,Um.
But it took me a while to dothat and I'm using it
consistently because my I didn'thave that crazy reaction of
like peeling, because I slowlyhave built up.
So once you get you know towhere you can use that low grade
(05:45):
, like every night, then you canbump up to the 0.5.
Then you do the same thingStart out with once a week,
build up to twice a week, soevery two weeks you want to kind
of see how your skin's doingand you know, I mean, if you're
like peeling, like crazy backoff or apply it on top of your
moisturizer.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Okay, yeah, so it doesn't.
So it doesn't penetrate.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And what are some of the?
I mean, you have so manyphenomenal products um in your
studio.
What are some of the ones thatwe can talk about, the ones that
I do, but what are some thingsthat you would suggest for
people that you know I'm goingto start a skincare regime at
home.
What should, what should theystart using from your product
(06:29):
line?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So I like to have them start with the essentials,
which is the vitamin C andvitamin.
A and make sure they know howto use it.
You have your vitamin C in themorning and your retin-A at
night, okay, or your retinol,tretinoin and I wouldn't use
tretinoin.
Side note, if you don't havelike really terrible skin, if
(06:53):
your skin's pretty normal, Iwould use a retinol.
It's just more aestheticallypleasing, okay to the skin, just
because it's not super harshand you're gonna use it more.
That's the key you want to like.
I ask people, hey, are you aregimen person like, are you a
step one, two, three, four, five?
And if they're not, then I makeit super basic for them.
(07:15):
I give, give them onemoisturizer, what you know, say
you've got to do the vitamin Cin the morning, right, right.
And then I do have some creamswith retinol in it.
So, there's a new one from ObagiI really like and you can use
that every night just cause it'sa slow time release retinol.
So it's I kind of feel out whatthey're going to do versus.
(07:40):
You know, I've had people whenI first started doing this, you
know I would be like, okay, youneed this, this, this and you
know, load them up with about 20products and they would return
it saying I don't, I'm not goingto do this, like.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I can't do it.
Yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah.
So you really have to fit.
You know say what are you goingto do?
Very important.
I mean I've built up to likeI'm like 20 step regimen person
now, but I mean I get it, peopledon't want to do a million
steps.
I mean a lot of people areeither morning routine or night
routine people, which isinteresting to me, but I mean
(08:16):
that's important too.
So it's like if you're amorning person, you need vitamin
c.
If you're, you know, more of a,you know, night regimen person,
then you've got to make surethey have the vitamin a.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Okay, and is it in the summertime?
If you're out in the sun a lot,is it okay to still use your
vitamin c in the morning?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
yes, yes for sure, and actually it's going to
protect your skin from heat.
Um, so our skin is not justreactive to the sun?
Okay, it's reactive to thelights in your house computer
screen, your phone heat, wow, soit's basically environmental
triggers Interesting, yes whichthe vitamin C is protecting
(08:55):
against.
Did not know that.
Now, in the summer, you do wantto be cautious of retinol.
You might want to back off alittle bit if you're going to be
in the sun a lot because youknow it's more, you're more
prone to burning, um, but I mean, if you have good sunscreen,
that's another key thing.
Oh yeah, you gotta have goodsunscreen and it should be a
mineral based right.
(09:16):
Yes, and I like a physicalsunscreen instead of a chemical.
The physical sunscreen actuallytakes the rays from the sun and
bounces it back off your skin.
Chemical absorbs those rays.
There are a few, you know,medical grade chemical ones, but
I don't like my skin absorbinganything.
(09:37):
That's going to age.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
So what about the physical ones?
What's some brands of thatsunscreen that people could
purchase At?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
our office.
We have Revision, okay, and Ilove that.
It's a tinted moisturizer withSPF 45.
And SPF like 30 to 100, it'spretty much going to be the same
thing.
I'd say like 45, 50 to 100.
Gotcha, you don't have to useSPf 100.
It's gonna be the same thing as50, okay, in my opinion, I mean
(10:05):
, but you know, because we wouldcarry a spf 100 if that was
like necessary it's not, butit's only going to last.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, it only lasts for just a few hours, right,
don Don't you have to reapply.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So, yeah, If you're going to be so, like in the
morning, you put your tinted SPFon after your vitamin C and
then if you're going to go outlater, like say four or five
hours later, yeah, you can.
You know, I would reapply againjust to be sure, but our
sunscreens are awesome and I'vefelt like for myself I don't
(10:40):
have to reapply as much, that'sgood.
Yeah, and I've got differentsunscreen suggestions based on
what you're doing, if you'regoing to the beach.
I like our SkinCeuticals SPF 50.
It's really lightweight.
I don't know if that's the oneyou got.
I do.
I have that one.
Love that one and that's what Ilove during the summer because
(11:07):
it's just, it's like nothing onyour skin.
You know a lot of people don'tlike the feeling of sunscreen,
that heavy, you know, but thatone, just I mean it's like air.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
It is and it goes on really well and it doesn't take
much at all.
But I use that when I'm out bythe pool and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So, yes, that's, that's great.
And you want to make sure youget your neck and your decollete
, Um, I mean all over really.
But, um, I don't love spraysunscreens.
I feel like they don't go onright, or you know I you know
I'm big into medical gradesunscreens because I burned
(11:43):
before off of just over thecounter stuff and I've reapplied
it like a million times and Iapply my skin citicles at one
time.
Right, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's what I put that on.
I don't have any.
I don't get any extra sun on myface.
You know when I use that Rightso, for using vitamin C and
sunscreen and the retinol atnight, and I know that I've been
using, like, the revision boost, yes, yes.
So I love the boost and theneck, the neck firming.
(12:15):
I think everybody needs alittle neck firming A hundred
percent and you everybody needsa little neck firming A hundred
percent, and you do need a neckcream.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think it's great when people put their skincare
products on their neck, but yourneck does have a different kind
of collagen it is the same ason your eyelids.
So you have got to take care ofyour neck differently than your
, your face.
But you know, I say this topeople like you who are going to
do that, people that aren'tgoing to do it just tell them to
(12:43):
put their skincare on theirneck.
You know, Right?
I mean, it's all about whatyou're going to do, because you
don't want to waste your money.
But those people do eventuallyend up, you know, finding it's
not that hard, Right, Right,it's like brushing your teeth.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
So I mean, it's like adding the next level of
flossing your teeth Exactly youknow you don't floss right
before you go to the dentist.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, I mean, it's got the plaque buildup you can't
.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You can't remove it If you've not flossed.
That's true.
It's the same thing with comingto you.
I mean, you can look atpeople's skin and tell if
they've had, you know, goodskincare and and everything.
So what are some other thingsthat that cause you know, to me?
I think it's just so confusing.
There's so many products outthere for people to use.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Um, I would be weary of hype, hype products on
Instagram, on TikTok.
If it's too good to be true inskincare, it is Okay, a hundred
percent.
I mean, I know the Kardashianslook great, but they, I mean,
(13:56):
are fed things to promote, sure,great, but they, I mean, are
fed things to promote becauseit's cheap to make and people
just flock straight to it.
You know you hit that button.
No, yeah, just just you have tobe.
Do your research.
Yeah, talk to a professional.
Um, don't be Dr.
Google, uh, actually, when itcomes to those products, maybe,
you know you want to, and I'vefallen for stuff like that too
(14:17):
Google, actually, when it comesto those products, maybe, and
I've fallen for stuff like thattoo.
I think that you know, like GuaSha tools are great, but people
think that they're going to buythat and their skin's just
going to be completely different.
Not the case, right, right.
So that's what I would be kindof skeptical of, because there
(14:40):
is a lot out there, there is,and it's just.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
and it's so enticing too, because when you see those
ads, we're all on social mediaand we think, oh, man, that
looks because there's one.
She says she's a dermatologistand she has this promise to get
rid of your dark spots.
You know, and it goes throughthe, if you listen to the video
which I never do cause I getbored- and it's like you know.
(15:06):
They just rope you in, you know, and just keep listening, and
keep listening.
But those products never work,Do they Kelly?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
No, and you can't promise that.
So people will come to me andsay, okay, so this product is
going to get rid of all of mydark spots?
No, it's not.
It's going to help and maybe,but you got to use it right and
don't expect a miracle out ofany product, don't you just?
(15:44):
Like I, my thing is I underpromise and over deliver,
because you don't want to tellpeople hey, yeah, this is um.
You're gonna look like you'vehad a facelift from this you
might but everybody's skin'sdifferent, everybody's diet's
different.
Everything works together.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Right, and it's all about a combination of what we
do, what we eat, our lifestyleif we're drinking water and I
think we talked about that thelast time and our skin is going
to reflect our lifestyle, andit's a combination of having
these facials.
And so let's talk about theproducts we've talked about, but
(16:21):
let's talk about some of theprocedures.
The Cool Peel, yes, which Ilove.
We're going to do Cool Peelagain this fall.
Yes, Because I really believeit's just consistently having
those combinations of treatments, right, kelly Mm-hmm?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yes, you want to do.
Yeah, a CO2 laser is always anawesome thing.
So that's what the Cool Peel is, without the downtime of a CO2,
because the way things, thetechnology were now, versus 10
years ago, you don't have tohave that downtime of swelling
and your skin just weeping and,you know, gauze wrapped around
(16:58):
it.
No, um, so that's the beauty ofyou.
Know what's happening right nowwith the industry, is you?
Know you don't have downtime Umit's great.
Yeah, but, like I said, it isabout your products you use and
and all that stuff.
But um yeah, the CO2 is great.
I love to combine that withmicroneedling.
Um yeah, so that's one ultimatedo that.
I love, I like to do alltherapy before, so tell us about
(17:21):
all therapy.
So that is radio frequency andit's going to, excuse me, lift
your skin by creating thermaldamage.
Um, the technology is just tolift and it also helps with
texture, um, a little bit, butit's mainly you know to lift, so
(17:42):
you don't just want to liftyour face, you also want to help
with the texture and you knowfine lines.
So that's where the CO2 and thecool peel is going to come in.
So, if you have um, likescarring, uh, like acne scars or
um, yeah, I would say, um, justa lot of damage on your skin.
(18:05):
Um, I love the microneedlingwith a CO2 on top.
You can even do all therapy,then microneedling and then a
CO2 on top.
Ooh, if you want, yeah, but youknow you want to go to somebody
that knows what they're doingExactly.
Um, because old therapy doesget a bad rap sometimes because
it depends on who does it.
So, um, old therapy does get abad rap sometimes because it
(18:25):
depends on who does it.
So there are certain depths thatcan melt fat, which I don't use
on people unless they want tomelt fat somewhere.
So you have to be careful, likeI said, about who you go to for
it.
It's great, though, becausethere's no downtime, nope, and
it's just a gradual lift.
It looks natural and it buildscollagen.
(18:45):
So you always want to bebuilding collagen in your skin,
whether or not you've had afacelift or you know whatever,
and you can do.
There are different techniqueswith the old therapy that you
can do like a lighter version,and you can repeat that every
three months, if you wanted to,until you get where you want to
be.
So I love Ultherapy for, like alower lift, like if you've got
(19:10):
jowls.
It's great for that, but theresults do.
They're over time, but there'snow a device that we hope to get
, that's almost immediateresults using the old therapy
(19:31):
technology.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
That would be awesome .
Yes, you showed that to me.
You showed me a picture of that,yes, yeah, we're hoping that
that will be coming soon.
So the old therapy, which Ithink is great and I think
everybody kind of tolerates itdifferently, right?
Yes, I do really well with CoolPeel, I do okay with oil
(19:56):
therapy.
But one thing I love that youcan do is that if you want just
a refresher under your eyes,that's the way to go.
So they just people come andsee you.
They don't really need a lot ofBotox and fillers and things
like that, just come and get apass of all therapy under your
eyes.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
A single pass of all therapy under the eyes is
amazing and you can literally dothat every three weeks if you
want it to.
It's got with puffiness, finelines and it's got to build
collagen.
Like I said, building collagenis key because Botox is not
building collagen, it's freezingyour muscles and so a lot of
times people will just do Botoxand then they've got terrible
(20:35):
skin.
And the skin integrity isreally important because you
can't it's like pinning skin upwith a nail.
Sure, you want that skin to bestrong so it can hold up on its
own Right.
So if you do get Botox, Ihighly recommend old therapy and
(20:57):
cool.
All of it builds collagen, allof it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And using the good products on top of that.
Yes, so well, kelly, this hasbeen so good and I really
appreciate I love the analogiesthat you use, thank you, and
just having your expertise inskin care, because I know you do
a lot of education and arereally big into that and I just
(21:21):
so appreciate that.
So it's just a comfort level tocome to you to say, okay, what
do I need?
You're a wonderful consultantwith skincare.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So how can people get in touch with you?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
They can call our Johnson City office, okay, or
they can go to our website.
They can email me, kelly, withan I at performancemedicinenet.
Yeah, just give us a callInstagram all of the above?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, okay, all right , kelly.
Well, hopefully you'll comeback and bring Scrappy.
Yes, I will.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yes, I will and I will see you soon.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Thanks, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Thank you.
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