She Was Fired on Camera. What Happened After Will Shock You

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The one time I've got really annoyed with the edit because
what they alluded to in the editwas definitely.
Not, not what happened. Yeah, yeah.
Cool. I left school when I was really
young. I went straight into working
full time and I worked really, really hard.
There was like so much of me that was trying to prove all

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these people wrong who told me that I was going to amount to
nothing when I left school at that age, 15 years, I've been
part of the yachting industry. So it was a disaster.
They can edit you to what they want.
The thing is, well, that was crazy is I was like, you guys
know I have value. Oh my God.
No, no, no. You think you have food

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poisoning? It's not food poisoning, it's
anxiety. You've literally aired my
anxiety and my panic attacks. Correct that same season.
Yeah, Sandys told me on camera. Go and take a Valium and go to
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Going to jump into this one today.
Excited. Benny, you're a fanboy over
there. Yeah.
Can you stop calling me out on this stuff dude?
Hannah, thanks. Thanks so much for coming in.
Thank you for having me. Public holiday today in Sydney

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and didn't It wasn't too hard toget in, no.
No, no, no, no. I'm just ready for the beach
after this. Is that what beach it's on?
Tough. Where's that?
What we Yeah, it sounds like a sacred beach that the locals
only know about. Probably shouldn't have said it
on the number one podcast, should I?
It's going to be busy as Hannah.Can we start, you know, sort of

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growing up and off there? We're talking about your
parents. Yes, you know, where did, where
did it all start? And then we'll, you know, we'll
get into the show and stuff fromthere.
So The funny thing is, actually a lot of people thought I got
into yachting because of where Igrew up, because I grew up on a
very small little hippie island about an hour north of Sydney
called Dangar Island on the Hooksbury River.

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So no cars, no television. And everyone was like, oh, well,
you had to, you know, you were surrounded by water.
Is that why you got into yachting?
I was like, no, not too many super yachts down on the hooks.
Yeah, exactly. Which breaks down like every
second day. So.
So how did you end up there? Your parents.
My parents came from they, so they moved from they, they're

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from Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, and then they moved to Papua New
Guinea, where my brother was born, and then London where
another brother was born, and then to the Blue Mountain
Mountains and then eventually ended up on Dangar Island.
So they were travellers? Yes, definitely they were.
Travellers. Is that where you got it from a
bit? Yeah, I think so.
I think it's kind of in your blood.

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You know, I feel like, you know,nowadays I don't want to leave
my post code, but it's because, you know, I spent 12 years
bouncing around the world livingout of a suitcase.
So. Yeah.
Do you think from a young age you got it, gave you that
confidence to sort of go, all right, cool, we're going to go
here now, this is going to work.I'm not sure, I guess because

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you know, not even growing up inSydney, like growing up on such
a small island, going to quite asmall school.
It wasn't really thrust on me when I was younger, but I left
school when I was really young, like illegally young, yeah.
So so, so I talked with what? What?
What age is illegally young? I wouldn't even know what.

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I'm, I'm, come on. Yes, I did.
I scraped through. But I would say 15.
Yeah, yeah. 14/14/15 Yeah. That rings about, yeah.
Yeah, and I left at 13, so. That's unusual.
Like, 'cause I, I know my parents and our parents and
stuff would leave school young. Yeah.
What? How does that?

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Yeah. How does that happen?
Well, I it was actually hilarious because when they
ended up giving out the Year 10 certificates, they still said my
name. So the school must have
basically gone. We'll let her go 'cause she's
such a pain in the backside, butwe'll keep her enrolled so we
don't get in trouble. That's brilliant and.
This and this was on the little island.
No, no, no. This was in Ashworth near

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Mortensby, and it just wasn't for me.
But I remember when I was very, very young, like, you know how
in primary schools it's broken up like kindergarten to year
three and then year three to year 6?
I remember when we were in the area of kindergarten to year
three, like faking illnesses, like making myself throw up so I
could go to the sick Bay becauseI just hated school that much.

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I was constantly questioning authority, which hasn't really
changed. I was going to say that doesn't
make sense. You know, and I was, I think it
was more, you know, everyone kind of there's AI guess a
stigma of leaving school at thatage that you're lazy and you
want to just sit around. That wasn't the case with me at
all. I went straight into working
full time and I worked really, really hard and I was very

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successful when I was younger insales.
So it was more that I just kind of couldn't understand why I was
learning some of the things I was learning.
Like I got in school detention one time for questioning, like
in geography class, I was like, why do I need to know the water
verse air density in a cloud? Where is this going to get me in
life? It was and that, you know,

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teachers, especially in those smaller schools, they don't want
to. Be well, there's some good
questions, right? Because I think there's a lot of
people out there that say. You know that going on today,
isn't it? You know, like there's a, you
know, the school system's under a bit of pressure, I feel like,
to keep people's attention. And yeah, and the world's so
interesting and everything's at the click of a the button and on
the computer and on YouTube. Kids can learn anything anyway.
School. School isn't the high even of

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knowledge the. Only place where you can get
knowledge, yeah. Correct, that's probably.
It may not even be the best herewhen as you get older, no.
But it's also like looking at, you know, today's day and age,
it's probably about 60% of jobs that are somehow sales related
like you guys. Are sales everything's selling,
yeah. They don't teach you basic sales

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skills in. Or just accounting like more
like your taxes, doing your taxes and stuff like that. 100%
basic business. Like I think they do want to
like Brixton, my oldest daughternow.
So I think some of the schools are trying to, you know, they,
they, they create these different business programs and
more opportunities and stuff. But like you said, I think
that's because the pressure's onand and they're trying to make

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change. Yeah, well, this was like, what?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you. Sound a bit progressive.
What so you got out and and got a job?
Yeah, sort of in sales. I no, I so I got out.
I started waitressing in the middle of the city, which was
hilarious for a little girl who came from an island to just
suddenly be working in the middle of the city.

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So it's. A bit of silver service and.
It was definitely not that. I was the toast girl.
And then, yeah, just moved up. I started doing Telemark
marketing for like, do you remember like back in the day
they would phone people and sellthat like book and card like the
Australian Good Food Guide. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For like a 20% discount or something.
So I did that and then I got into advertising sales, like

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selling advertising on the back of dockets in like Big W and
Kmart. And then I ended up getting into
IT and telecommunications. So I was working there when I
was 17 at AAPT and then before Ileft for yachting I was at Optus
as a corporate account manager so.
So you had four serious jobs. Was it 4?
Yeah, by the time you sort of 17.

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You sort of. Yeah, that's that's, yeah, you
were progressing pretty quickly because obviously 7, a lot of
people still in school. Yeah, exactly.
But I very much took it on myself, like it was to me.
It was my responsibility of leaving school at that age.
So even when I went to work for AAPT, they had taken over an ICT
arm and I, I was like, OK, I need to learn this.

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So I went and got all the folders, all the information,
and sat there like I think for about four weekends in a row
when I first took that job and sat there with a highlighter
teaching myself all about ICT and IT solutions.
I was gonna say how as a young, as a as a youngster, how you
were able to sort of secure those jobs and then obviously
deliver on what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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Well, it's funny, actually, Yeah.
My old boss is at AAPT is still one of my best friends.
She's my daughter's godmother. And she's like, you know,
everyone used to get so annoyed because you'd come in at late
and you'd go shopping at your lunch hour.
And I was like, listen, if you hit your targets like she does,
you can do what you. Want as well.
That's what I say with the old shopping.
You get it done, you go Don't. If I'm getting it done, don't

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ask how I'm doing it. Yeah.
Just be happy that I'm getting it done, yeah?
Maybe those two pairs of shoes Ibought at lunch are actually
pushing me along to yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So was it hard to get your
parents on board to leave schoolor did they say you better go
out and hustle there girl if you're going to do this or you
just did what you want? Yeah, no, they weren't on board.
OK. No, they weren't on board.

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And I ended up leaving home quite young as well.
So, you know, we've got a reallygreat relationship now.
But my father is always like, there was a good chunk of years
there. You weren't my favorite person
in the world, which is fair enough.
And especially now having a daughter of my own, like, you
know, the thought of her doing something like I don't want her

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to do anything I've done, you know?
Do what I say, not what I do. Exactly, Yeah.
Well, that's the superpower. I, I feel like that is genuinely
and one of your superpowers, like, and I'm sure we're going
to get to it, but all the life experiences and stuff that you
had, the ups and downs, the, thegood and the bad, that's
literally your superpower, right?
Because you've lived the life ofprobably 20.

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Yeah, you've lived the life of 10 by the time you were 17.
Yeah, that's true. So.
So that's your superpower for your daughter Ava, that you can
sort of, yeah, you can guide her.
You don't have to tell her. You can sort of just show her
the way, you know. Yeah, exactly.
And I think as well, like I think we've come so far since
the 80s and 90s when I was brought up, you know, we, we
know a lot more about parenting.I'm very, you know, very

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different to my parents. I kind of think I would much
prefer to be having the conversations with Ava.
I would prefer to be open and honest and have that in my
household. So when you do get to the tricky
years, you've already formed a relationship built on honesty
and respect and telling. Like, you know, I would much
prefer her to go. Like, mom, I'm going to this

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party. People are going to be drinking.
What do I do? Or, you know, and then know that
I need to go and pick her up andI need to be aware that evening
or, you know, instead of going, you can't go anywhere where
there's alcohol. Then they're just going to do
what I did and turn around and you know.
Yeah, yeah, 100%. So I.
Think that's a great approach and it sounds like we're going

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to get into a bit of that later.We were You're at 17 and you got
into yachting. How?
Does no no no no. I got into yachting when I was
22. Gotcha.
Yeah. So from that a that how many the
APTT. APT yes.
I don't even think it's around anymore.
Actually, so. So yeah, bridge that gap from
there to yachting. So how do you?
Yeah, this is the fascinating part I get.

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I reckon the world's waiting to.Yeah.
So I worked at APT for two yearsand then I moved on to Optus.
So it was like the third largesttelco moved up to the second
largest telco. And yeah, worked there as a
corporate account manager in property and construction and.
What? What does that mean?
Like what? Yeah.
So basically I would get a portfolio of customers and they

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would spend say 809 hundred thousand a month.
So I would have to manage the relationship between the
business and the customer and obviously upsell them, integrate
our ICT in in implement like solutions back when there was,
you know, not the technology there is today.

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And so, yeah, and manage their kind of accounts and and sell to
them. So you're in your neck deep in
the corporate world at this point, 100%.
Yes. Shopping at lunchtime, You know,
like, like, yeah, you're a long way from yachting at this.
Point. If you ask anyone that worked
for me, I was definitely in the corporate world.
I didn't dress like I was. I look back now and I'm like, Oh

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my God, get a hemline. But yeah, it was lots of fun.
But obviously as well, you know,there was, you can only move up
the ladder from where I would be.
You'd have to go into a sales manager role.
And they're never going to put a22 year old into a sales manager
role when you're managing peoplewho are in their 30s and 40s.

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So I kind of knew. And I guess there was like so
much of me that was trying to prove all these people wrong who
told me that I was going to amount to nothing when I left
school at that age. And I feel like by the time I
went on this, you know, journey into yachting, I was like, OK,
you're good. Like, you've proved it.
You know, you're on a great salary, beautiful BMW waterfront

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apartment. Like you proved it.
You don't need to. And this is all before yachting.
Yes, that's amazing. Yeah, so I felt like I'd I'd
proved, I think back then, you know, when you were young.
You are trying to prove to. Us.
Yeah, chip on your shoulder for sure, especially like I was one
of those kids. That's why Pete jokingly how
seriously said did you make it? You know what I mean?
Because I was definitely one of them as well.

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And and I know for a fact I still hold that today.
Yeah, I'm 40 frigging 5, you know what I mean?
And and I do I hold a bit of a chip on my shoulder because I
just know like enough people tell you for a long enough that
you're not gonna make it good or, or.
And it's not even sometimes thatthey say it.
Yeah, you can just feel it. Yeah.
Do you know what I mean? It's not really.
Everyone just walked around and go hey, you're shit, you're not
gonna make it. Oh no, you could just feel like.

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I grew up on a small island. I just told you, see, for me it
was like I could just feel like people didn't write where I was
going to go or didn't have any high hopes.
And then all of a sudden you start to think the same
yourself. But yeah, that's.
Yeah. So did that nearly give you the
fact that you've achieved all these things that gave you
nearly the tick of approval to go?
Okay, cool, now I'm going to go try and do something different.

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Yeah, I think it was almost like, because I had been working
so hard throughout my teenage years, like that kind of
17/18/1920 is supposed to be when you're young and dumb and
making bad decisions and, you know.
But you did the work hard now, live like a king later.
Yeah. Which is what you should do,
yeah. And so, yeah, I felt like it was

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like, OK, cool, you've proved yourself, now actually go and do
something where you can just be young and have fun, you know?
So how did that come to be? I suppose like I'm assuming
you're earning reasonable money,like I said, living waterfront
BMW. How's that opportunity come to
to sort of say, all right, I'm going to pivot here?

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Yeah, so I actually went to Europe for like a six week trip
with my mom and I fell in love with the South of France and I
came home and Googled what can Ido, speaking English in South of
France and Yoning came up. And then, yeah, a friend of mine
who I'd worked with back back inthe day at Commander, which did

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all the PABXS and phone systems back in the day for Telstra, she
was going to do it. So I was like, OK, so we just
did our course together and I think I came home in like
November from Europe and I was on a plane in February with my
suitcase packed and. And just it was just random
yachting was just a random yachting job.
Did you have a job or you you did the training and then went

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to try and? Went to try and get a job and my
first season was like one of theworst I've ever heard about in
in the 15 years I've been part of the yachting industry.
So it was a disaster. So.
Talk us through that. So that obviously wasn't part of
the show. This is so you.
No, you did some. How many seasons did you or how
many seasons of yachting or how much experience did you have?
I had six years before. I that's and that, yeah, right.

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That's crazy 'cause that that explains why you were the head
Stew, right? Yeah, yeah.
Exactly. So it was like, in a nutshell,
basically, I landed, I was staying with like a friend's
contact. He ended up being very strange.
And then I got my first job, joined the yacht, woke up the
next day with adult chicken pox,which is awful because it was in

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your mouth, nose, ears, like everywhere.
None of the crew houses would take me.
It was Cannes Film Festival. So I had to spend all my money
on this dingy hotel room. And then I wasn't allowed out in
the daylight because, you know, it would scar.
So there was no English books, no streaming, no Internet.
So just sitting there staring ata wall for 12 days straight.
So I wasn't in a great headspaceand then got my second job and

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then the captain basically stolemy passport and I found out
later what happened. He was partying and came back
and cleared the table to do whathe was going to do and cleared
everything into the bin which had my passport in it.
So then had to wait for another passport to be sent from
Australia and then I ended up onanother on another boat that

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caught fire and while I was fighting the fire I fell down
the steps and tore 2 ligaments in my foot and the captain was
like the boats written off. So they left me on an island in
Elba with my foot in a cast on crutches with all my luggage to
get back to Auntieb on my own. Then had kidney stones which led

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to a kidney infection, which ledto reactive arthritis.
Sounds like an awful start to the are.
You joking? No, and you kept going.
So when's the next part? If that wasn't a message to back
up your. Bag to be fair, if you see the
scenes, the scenery over there man like.
I know well. That's so good because.
I think like I ended up coming home and I was a mess.

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Like on the way home, I had to kick my bag through the airport
in Dubai because I couldn't evencarry it because my fingers were
so swollen and sore from the reactive arthritis.
But it was like I didn't get theexperience that I wanted.
So when I came back, everyone's like, what are you doing back
here? Like, do you not remember what
just happened to you? And I was like, yeah, but, you

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know, if I give up now, then that's my yachting journey.
And that's what I'll always havein my head.
So I was like, I'm going to go and do one more season and
actually have a good season and then leave yachting.
So then I can go. I did.
I did it. And I had some good experiences
as well. Hey, Hannah, can you sort of
break it down for us that don't fully understand the, the job

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description on a yacht? So what is your day-to-day?
Where, where, where do you stay?Do you stay on the yacht?
You know what, what is the sort of day-to-day and when you say
season, you know. What is it?
What's the season? So the season kicks off with the
Cannes Film Festival and the Monaco Grand Prix, which I think
is like late March, early April.So you want to be over there

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kind of early March to secure a job for then.
And then it really depends on the boat.
So most boats finish up early September to mid-september.
So you're working, yeah, March to September.
But then, you know, I worked on one boat where the owner just
never got off the boat. And we just kept going further

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down South through like Greece. And then you're into Turkey
because of the weather. And so he was on for like 167
days straight. Wow.
So that means that like to answer your question, you
basically sleep in like little coffins, you know?
They're like little dorms, man. Yeah.
If you think about like a train dorm, like if you're on a train.
Yeah, in the hull, down in the bottom.

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Down the hull and it sounds likeit depends what boat you're on.
Depends what the owner's up to. Well, and how and how good the
boat is as well, right, So you can rock up and you can get it
so. Is it a party boat or is it a
you know, they're just. They're super yachts.
No, they're they're super yachts.
Yeah, they're privately owned, Yeah.
Like no, but I mean does the owner have a lot of parties?
Oh yeah, that. Depends, right?

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Like what sort of lifestyle theylead on their boat.
Yeah, but talking about where you sleep, do you want to hear
something I found. Really.
So. Disturbing.
Yeah, I was. When I heard this, I was so
shocked. So when you have like, obviously
the bow of the boat, that's where obviously the smaller
cabins are. And then you move back.
And then there's usually the captain's cabin next to the

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bridge. So they put the people that are
the least important, like the third stews and the deckhands in
the very front so that if the boat crashes, they're the ones
who die. So I was like sleeping on the
bow of the boat, like. And then someone's like, Oh
yeah, do you know why? You sleep up and there was a few
shoes you would have been happy to be sleeping up the front.

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It was like I'm the what stews on the least important and then
they have it like, you know, then the chief Stew who does the
roll call is like further back than the engineer who can help
with the actual engine is further back.
And deck heads and then the chefso they can get fed.
Yeah, I'm like. Oh my gosh, that's why I sleep
here. So I die fast.
So then I quickly made my way upto Chief Stew, just so I didn't

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die in case we hit. Something so so those first six
seasons where you had the the rough start that that what you
weren't, you hadn't made it to chief Stew at that point.
No, no, no. I was chief Stew in my second
season. Oh, really?
But it was on a really crazy party boat, and I actually got
the job I had. I'd left a boat.
I got in a bit of trouble. I was in the Greek Islands and

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like, it was such a boring boat.But then the son's, the owner's
son came on and he was married to a Playboy model and she was
like the only like kind of interesting person on the whole
boat. So I got in trouble for like
getting too close to her becauseshe was fun and I was bored.
But so I got politely asked to leave that boat and then I went

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back to auntie. But I went to go meet a friend
for a beer and I actually got myfirst chief Stew job by beating
the Kiwi captain in sculling a beer.
And that was like 15 years ago. So it's not like that anymore.
But it was the best practice because you basically this job,
you had to drink with the boss, so you had to have a lot of

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stamina. So it probably was the best
interview he could have done. But and what?
What what you can? What kind of can you remember
what kind of business or what kind of work?
Yeah. So he owned electricity in
Russia, All electricity. All electricity, Yeah, that's
wild. And he was, he was a big party

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boy and crazy. And so I guess the question is,
how do they how do they identify?
Was it you just by luck ended upon season 1 for that, you know,
for Mediterranean or did you apply for it was?
Cast, it's all cast. So that's The thing is people
always say like. I thought you got lucky.

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Yeah, I might. Yeah.
No. No, no.
People always go like, is Below Deck real?
Do they tell you what to say? Do they make things up?
And it's like, no, because firstly, on super yachts it's
crazy enough anyway, you're taking people from like
different cultures, different walks of life and putting them.
In dealing with the weather. Yeah, that doesn't really cause.
Much. Not for me anyway.

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They don't care. They actually below deck love
weather drama. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But no, it's more the personalities clashing.
But they cast everyone on Below Deck, so I'm like, it's not
made-up. But they're not gonna.
They made the mistake one seasonin Season 4 by giving me two
stews I actually liked who were competent at their job.
And you? Know which two were they was

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that. Sure.
And Anastasia? Yeah, that's right.
And one stepped up to be the chef.
The chef? That's right.
Yeah. Yeah.
What she yeah, she was. That was, that was cool, man.
Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it's not made-up, but
it is cast. To be fair, that was a less fun
season relative to. Sound like my exec producer.
Yeah, yeah, that was definitely well.

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See, that was my favorite seasonout of everything.
Of course, yeah. So talk to us through that.
Yeah. So that's really interesting
that that casting. So how you heard about the
casting when you went there and how you became the head Stew
relative to the other? Yeah, from.
The cast. So basically I'd done six
seasons of in the Mediterranean and I was just a little bit

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bored. You know, it sounds very spoiled
because like, you know, when you're in Capri and San Tropez
and like, you shouldn't be bored.
But you know, I've done the samething.
So I joined a boat over in America and we did the East
Coast of America. And yeah, that was what made me
really grateful for the Mediterranean, because it was

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not pretty at all. So I basically finished up on
that boat and decided to take the rest of the season off and
then leave yachting. And that's when I think I was
deemed by a like a casting person on Facebook.
And that's how they find like quite a few of the people on
Below Deck. And I was, I, I, I was partying

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in the Greek islands. So like I remember.
One which island? Oh, I've actually done about 76
of them, so I forget the names of most.
But yeah, I remember I got an e-mail once going like, hey,
we're all waiting on this Zoom call.
And I'd just been sprayed with champagne at a beach club.
And I was like, oh, I forgot about that.
So I was like in the bathrooms, Facetiming.

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Like on this audition, they're like, oh, she's a hot mess.
She'll be perfect. That's set.
And that's obviously that's the science behind it.
He's putting putting in a on a ship these personalities, big
personalities that are going to cause a ruckus and tell it how
it is. 100% I know you haven't seen the show, but I had a lot
of clashes with my captain Sandy.

(25:47):
Yeah. So Captain Lee and Captain So
you had Captain Lee first, is that right?
No yet. Mark.
Mark. OK.
Yeah, yeah. So this is, you sort of, you
know, that whole authority thinggoing on again.
Yeah, I think it was also because, you know, I think
especially at the start as well,Sandy was looking for like a
very well oiled professional crew to run her yacht, which is

(26:08):
what you should look for in reallife, but you know, it doesn't.
Really what they gave her. Interesting.
TV No, exactly so. And she really loved people that
were like yachting's my life. I'm going to do yachting
forever, woohoo. And I was more like, I'm here
for money. And she didn't love that.
And, you know, even, like, a lotof the viewers didn't like that.

(26:30):
They were, you know, well, why are you here if you don't love
yachting? I'm like, why do you go to work?
Lots of people go to work for money.
You know, you shouldn't. And also it was like, obviously
with Sandy, she couldn't fire me'cause that wasn't, she didn't
have that type of control. So I think that drove her crazy.
As well. But she would not.

(26:51):
But that doesn't make sense. I don't wanna jump too far
forward. Yeah, but she did fire here,
didn't she? Yeah, but she would have needed.
Production. Ohh, right, yeah, okay, cool.
So that's all sort of worked into the show, right.
So you, you sort of and did you know that you know what I mean?
Like when you were sort of playing in because you sort of
well. No, because normally as a chief
Stew I would be able to fire my stewardesses if I want.
To as well, of course. Yeah, yeah, right.

(27:12):
It's like nothing can really happen.
It's not just a Sandy. Thing it's everyone the.
Bosun can't fire his deckhands, I can't fire my stewardesses.
It has to be approved by production because as well it's
not normal yachting. You need to have people go
through psych, psychiatric testing.
They need to be cast. So you can't just fire someone
and hire someone else. There's a process that they have

(27:32):
to go through. So I'm sure there were times
when, you know, production wouldhave approved the firing of one
of the deck cancels stews, but they didn't have the backup crew
so they couldn't. Yeah, right.
So, so it was all yeah, tricky. Well, tell us about that, that
season 1. And so you get, you're a hot
mess, you get the gig. How long have you got to sort of

(27:53):
get on the boat and what's the first experience?
Did they sort of bring you in and sort of do an orientation,
let you know what's coming or they just said meet us down at
the pier down and and ask for Sandy?
No, Sandy wasn't there, we, I think.
The first season. With Mark RIP.
So we basically flew in, I thinkit was two days before and then

(28:16):
we're put like it's called on ice.
So we're put into a hotel room and.
No communication? No.
Communication. We can't leave.
Luckily, with this one, we're allowed to have our phones
because a lot of reality TV shows, they take your phones
away from you. So yeah, you're basically just
put in a room and then you're miked up and pushed on this
boat. And I had no idea what I was

(28:38):
getting in for. Like, I remember the first day I
finished work, and so I put my headphones on and we were in
Naxos in the Greek islands, And I went off the boat and I was
walking and suddenly, like, thisgorgeous little woman, Grace,
like, grabbed me by the arm. She's like, hi, where are you
going? I said I'm going for a walk and

(29:00):
she's like, no, no. I was like, what do you mean no?
I said no, no, my works finishedfor the day and she's like, oh
that's adorable. Get back on the boat and start
having conversations with your mic on.
In the pot. Yeah, exactly.
What about pay wise? Who Was it just a normal Stew?
Pay or at? The start, yes.

(29:21):
So you paid like a standard salary of a stewardess, but then
obviously your tip. The tip, so because the show was
heavily around working towards those tips and and the
characters. So if there was characters that
weren't pulling their weight, then they'd get upset and you
know, you know, we're gonna get less tips and stuff.
So. So was that all legit as well?
Like those tips and the tip numbers and stuff like that?

(29:44):
Yeah. On the show it is like obviously
in normal yachting you don't sitdown and have a tip meeting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She got in tips like the captain
just gives you an envelope and you go to the pub, you know, so
but yeah, that's definitely and you would never like line up to
say goodbye to the guests and then the the guest hands the
captain accrue, you know, the the tips in front of every like

(30:06):
that's all for the TV. That's all for the TV.
But it's obviously hard for themto like communicate how much
tips you get. Yeah.
So you have to reenact that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
absolutely. So, but yeah, no, definitely at
the start it was, it was just standard salary.
And then, yeah, towards the end when I kind of, yeah, didn't

(30:27):
want to be there anymore, I was definitely, definitely showing
up to work for the paycheck. Now, now, was Ben the chef?
Yes, yes, he was. So talk.
Yeah. So he'd been on a he'd been on
the show before. There was another season of the
show. I reckon I saw that.
Yeah, I reckon. I reckon I might have started on
that. So talk to us about that.
So you, you, you get on all the people that you, the the crew.

(30:47):
What was your first impression? And you were the head Stew.
And like, yeah. Well, I think it, it didn't take
me long to kind of get into the hang of things, you know,
because I, I was kind of like, oh, I just realized really
quickly I was like, Oh my God, like everything I normally get
fired for, I'm now getting praised for like this is
amazing. So the exec producer who's one

(31:09):
of my best friends now, she was like, I'll never forget.
I think it was like Charter 2. And she's like, you had this big
bun and these red lips and Ben snapped at you and you smacked
both your hands down and just ripped into him.
And she's like, she's perfect. Screaming in the middle of
dinner service We love. To see I've got one.
I've got one. There.
Was it what? Her name?

(31:31):
The. Don't touch me.
Do you remember? Oh, Lara.
Lara. Lara, Lara.
When? When she when you were trying,
you were simply just asking her to do something.
She was so cooked though. Which would you would you say
she was your least favorite? Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I think so. Because even when like people
like Casey, who, you know, didn't know how to work a normal

(31:53):
Nespresso machine, like those things are annoying.
Yeah, yeah. But I definitely towards, you
know, after kind of season 2, I was like, it's not these
people's fault. Like they've been cast and they.
Want to be on TV? So I would more get frustrated
at production. I'd be like, dude, like.
Why are you doing this to me? Like yes.
And then a Stew like that and a captain like that, like, but

(32:14):
obviously it's all just part of,you know, but.
You would have jerried that likethis is the game, is what
they're trying to do. They're trying to Rev me up
here. Yes, exactly so.
Hannah was the star of the show for sure, though, there's no
question and I would argue now still the biggest star on the
show and you're not even like and you're not even on it
anymore. It's.
Been a while. It's been a long, long time.
And I think anyone thinks of theshow they would think of you for

(32:38):
first, for sure. And I would argue because you
were the most realist, right? Because like you're saying now
you just figured it out and you go, I'll just be me.
You know what I mean? And warts and all.
And, and, and I think there was time, like you were saying
before, there might have been times online where people were
having a go at you and saying why is she?
Yeah, but would I be right in saying it's come full circle?
I I can't imagine you would haveany hate online and you just

(33:00):
have love. Yeah, there's still, you know,
you're always gonna have keyboard.
Warriors, of course, yeah. But I think the the thing that a
lot of people do on reality TV is read the comments and then
try and correct themselves the next season.
And that's just, it just doesn'twork.
And I always used to say this tothe girls, like when we were de
miked or whatever. I'm like, I know what you're

(33:21):
trying to do and it's not going to work because we are on camera
and we are miked for six weeks straight.
There's a lack of sleep, There'sso much stress and pressure.
You're trying to be what you think you want to portray
yourself to be, but you don't. This.
This isn't Housewives and. It doesn't work, yeah, because
authenticity works. Yeah, you don't have the time.

(33:42):
So to me, I was always like, I think that how you get somebody
who's good at reality TV is theyinvoke something in everyone,
whether it's and they hate you or they love you or they're
jealous of you or they're, you know, or they find you hilarious
or they relate to you. It's like as long as you're
invoking something, you're good Reality TV, like the people like

(34:06):
Julia, who was my second Stu on Caesar, one loveliest person in
the world. Everyone loved her.
She would never get us back because they she only invokes
one thing in most people. You know what I mean?
It's like you need people like watch when they watch reality
TV. A lot of the people that I love
watching on reality TVI don't want to be friends with, like a

(34:29):
lot of them, like would drive meinsane to be friends with, but
they're fascinating to watch on television, you know?
Yeah, Bugsy is a good example, yeah.
Just quickly, so catching everyone else up and myself,
what was the prize? Was it the tips or was there a
bigger thing at play season to season?
What was the like? You said you were there for the
money. What was?

(34:49):
The money, well, it, it just went up each season.
And I think, you know, the best thing is if you don't need it,
like I wasn't too keen. And so I was more like, this is
what I want to get paid. If you want to pay me that, pay
me that. If not, just like stop.
Calling and you're the star of the show for sure.

(35:10):
So you and and because of the well, because like you said,
you're you're easy come easy go Yeah, and you're the star of the
show. You held all the chair.
So your so your stocks would rise each season and then say,
oh, now it's this announced. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And I think, you know, a lot of
people want to. They really love the kind of
fame and being on television, Yeah.
Whereas that didn't like, if anything, like I would much

(35:33):
prefer to work on a boat that paid me that without cameras
then, you know, but like it's also, I think all things lead to
other things, you know, and I'vehad some really amazing, like
I'm not ungrateful for the opportunity that I had, but I
guess like a lot of my drive wasfinancial doing it.

(35:55):
Yeah, yeah. So Benny's telling me before
there's a bit of scandal when you when it wrapped up, like
how? How is this?
Coming before we do. There was one, There was one.
I remember the the the when Bugsy dobbed on you for when was
it Jason the the guest? Yeah, the car charted guest.

(36:16):
So that's all that's all about that that's not planned.
None of that stuff. He literally didn't log out
Bugs. He literally sees it and then
Dobbs on you. And that's that's how it all
unfolds. He got in the hot tub the night
before and forgotten his. IPhone was.
In his pocket. So he'd logged on to his
iMessage from the the master iPad.
That's right. So yeah, I guess like I just

(36:36):
didn't really see it as that bigof a deal.
Me either, yeah. Like, I don't know, I think it's
like, to me, it's a little like,I get that we still need to like
to be professionals, but it was such an unprofessional
environment. Well, they were setting you up.
The whole point was they'd set you up with the ordinary shoes.

(36:58):
The the worky captain, You know what I mean?
Like that? Sleep deprived.
Sleep deprived. Yeah, yeah.
And I think it's like really hard to go.
I'm gonna be a full on professional in an environment
where you're given a pay rise ora pat on the back when you're.
Yeah, I'm like, that ended up being like the biggest storyline

(37:19):
of the season, which is great for the TV.
So I was like, well, who cares then?
Yeah. And like I must admit, that's
probably the one time I've got really annoyed with the edit,
because what they alluded to in the edit was definitely not.
Not what happened. Yeah, Yeah.
Cool. And that and I remember having a
fight with one of the execs at NBC Bravo because he was like,

(37:41):
oh, we took and I was like, mate, yeah, you've seen when you
see me going up the stairs and then you show the moon going
across the sky and then you see me coming out the master.
Obviously everyone knows what you're alluding to.
Which never happened. You know, it didn't happen.
I know it didn't happen. So that was like 1 edit that I
was really unhappy with, but they do try and stay as close to

(38:02):
story and reality as possible. And I think that's why they win
below Deck because again, it hasto be authentic.
And I think if they try and in reality TV and maybe in Big
Brothers and stuff of the past where they've tried to
manipulate it too much and then and then it sort of it's neither
reality or not reality. Do you know what I mean?
It's all the reality or, or it'snot.

(38:22):
But to Pete's point, and we're going to, we're going to talk
about so because what's fascinating is you kept getting
awarded each season with more money and just to get you to
come back, because, you know, obviously, like I keep saying,
you were the star of the show. You were the reason people were
coming back. How does that then end up where
you actually do get sort of sacked?

(38:45):
Yeah, in some way. But you'd sort of doing, you
would think that that that that's another pay rise for
sure. You know what I mean?
Like, how is that not a pay rise?
A bit of CBD and a few vowels, you know what I mean?
Because that's real. And I reckon that's why like
they made out like it's this bigdeal, right?
That's fucking nothing man. I don't think they expected the
backlash. Yeah, because the world, like

(39:07):
everyone's relaxing every now and then, you know what I mean?
So that's why I think, yeah. So, yeah, talk to us through
that. Like, was that legit and did you
see that coming? And was it a legit firing or
were you like ready to leave? I was definitely ready to leave.
One of my biggest things going into Season 5 is I'd actually
met my now husband. Yep.
And so when you're filming and you're single, it's like if you

(39:30):
go out, you know, because we go out like after every single
charter. So we have 9 charters in six
weeks. So you're having a big night out
like 9 times? And when they let you off?
Yeah, yeah. But we obviously still have
cameras on us. Think shop fit in bed?
Yeah, think your shop fitting days.
Man, so it was to me, I guess like when I'm filming, when I'm

(39:51):
single, I've got nothing to protect.
So I don't really care. Like if I wake up the next
morning and the end of the night's a bit of a fuzz or
there's a blackout or whatever, I don't really care.
But because I had my, you know, my partner back home, I was
like, I don't want to go out andthen have like a little blackout
period, which I know is being filmed and then it will be

(40:11):
aired. And if I, you know, they, they
can edit you to what they want. Like you could literally go up.
And ask like in a loud club and go to the security guard to ask
where the bathroom is. If that's shown in a certain
angle and they put kissing noises over it, anyone's going
to think you're making out with the security guard.
So I was hyper aware of being respectful of my relationship at

(40:35):
home. And so I used to like, on the
nights out, I was taking my Kindle.
And so I'd go and do a shot and like, get on the dance floor and
let them get a bit of footage. And then I'd go and sit out the
back and read my book. So.
Really. So that was.
Well, yeah, just because I was like, you know, I was getting a
bit older. I was really over it.

(40:56):
We had the CVDS reading the book.
So yeah, I just kind of. Well, to your point with the
edit, right, So the the with thevowels and stuff with the edit,
that edit was pretty crafty too.I don't know how much of that
was legitimate, but my memory ofthat edit was Sandy was up in
the thing going. She's probably flushing it.

(41:18):
Should I go down? Should I go down?
And then they show, then they show that your room with a, with
like a spotlight on the box of Val.
Yeah. And then you come in.
It was like CSI. I know.
So I was like, the thing as wellthat was crazy is I was like,
you guys know I have Valium. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've you've literally aired my anxiety and my panic attacks on

(41:41):
the show. Correct that same season.
Yeah, you know that. I take them, Sandy's told me on
camera. Go and take a Valium and go to
your bunk so you don't have another panic attack like And
how. So what do you think at that
point you hadn't sort of, cuz I guess that's the crescendo of
the show for you. Were you like, were you sort of

(42:04):
loggerheads and it sort of happened like that and they saw
that as an opportunity for you to sort of go your own way?
Or did they sort of say that youweren't completely bought in?
So they were like, you know whatthis is, this is our chance,
it's time sort of thing. I think to be honest with you,
you know, I've since had a conversation with Sandy about
it, and it was a lot more complicated from her side than I

(42:28):
was. Aware she would have been like,
like you said earlier, she didn't have the power.
No, but also I feel like she waskind of Malia did something that
put her in a situation where shecould be in trouble legally.
Yeah, gotcha. So she said that with her
license. She goes, I've got my license.
I'm sorry, what am I meant to do?
Yeah. So it was more and that that

(42:50):
which that was insane, 'cause I was like, you're literally,
you've done this. And it was Malia's side of
things was a lot worse after I spoke to Sandy than I had been
aware of, right? So it was like, you've done
this, 'cause I don't want to like, swap cabins so you can
like, share a cabin with your boyfriend.
Like, come on, we're grown-ups. Like, just wait three weeks.

(43:11):
He ends up cheating on you anyway.
Spoiler alert. Let's go see.
The world has a funny way of looking after people.
It really does. Yeah, it's just like, don't
worry honey, you'll be on winterhouse spitting in some dudes
mouth in no time. Like so yeah, that one I'm not
letting go. Yeah, yeah, and you shouldn't

(43:33):
and you shouldn't. So what's your relationship with
it all now, though? You're you're at peace with.
Yeah. How?
I still like our, you know, my the exec that I had the
relationship with for the longest time at Bravo.
Like we still message back and forth.
I'm still very close with the exec producer that did all of my
seasons of below Deck Med. I think it's just for me, I

(43:54):
guess I was, you know, it was sofunny because with the Valium
thing, the whole thing was whether it was prescribed or
not. But you know, in Australia how
prescriptions are stuck to the box.
We don't carry the in America, they carry the physical
prescription and it's not on the, the actual box.
So I was like, just flip the boxover and you can see it's a
prescription and not from Mexico, you know, like.

(44:16):
The best part was at the end, once she told you that, she
goes, look, there's nothing I could do and you just looked
around and said can. I get my belly.
Back then, yeah. And she, she did, she was a bit
confused and she was like, oh, okay, yeah.
Yeah, no, I know. Well, it was funny because I
literally walked out of there and it was almost like I knew

(44:39):
what they wanted as well. Yeah, okay.
So I walked out of there, I demicked myself, I put my air
pods on and then, is that me? No, it doesn't matter.
It's probably me. It's me.
I walked out of there, demicked myself, and then I moved my
suitcase from my cabin up into the main salon and then just got

(45:01):
like a shopping bag and did trips back and forth because I
was like, I know you want the scene of me packing in that tiny
cabin. I'm.
Not. Giving you that, I'm not giving
you tears. I'm not giving you tensions.
I'm not even giving you goodbyes.
So I didn't say goodbye to anyone either.
They were like, and I was like, sorry, I'm not miked.
I'm not miked. And then I went and sat out the
front and I was waiting for the production vehicle and I was

(45:22):
there for about 45 minutes with a camera on me in like 35° heat.
And I was like, guys, I will Uber like you better get this
production vehicle here because you're not getting it from me.
I know what you want and I'm notgiving it to you, so let's move
it along. Yeah, that's awesome.
And So what happens there as faras like your contract, did they

(45:43):
because you would have signed a contract for the season, did
they have to honor that? I signed a non disclosure.
OK, awesome, awesome. So, so you're off, but it sounds
like like you had your baby girlin 2020.
So that seems to sort of timely like it's saying, you know,
Yeah. Well, like you're saying you

(46:04):
was. Pregnant on the reunion?
Oh, really? When I filmed the reunion, I was
literally in this beautiful Vilani wedding gown, eight
months pregnant. So yeah, which was kind of
hilarious because it's, it was interesting to be chatting about
like Valium and the CBD vape when you're sitting there, you

(46:24):
know, having fully cooked a child.
So yeah, it was definitely time.You know, I think that yachting
is like, we call it the golden handcuffs because it's.
Like, yeah, that's a good one. It's like a good description.
A lot of money. A lot.
Of that's shop fitting as well. Like it's exactly the same.

(46:47):
The golden handcast. A lot of money, a lot of travel.
Sounds a bit more glamorous. Yeah, a bit more glamorous,
that's. True.
So yeah, it all worked out in the end because, you know, for
me, I prioritized, you know, my relationship when I was filming
Season 5. Like Joshua's my number one
going into that season, making sure that he was protected and

(47:10):
that our relationship. So your boy did your guy didn't
fuck you over like funny that crazy.
Right. So no, and it all worked out in
the end because, you know, I personally feel like the person
that you like the, the most important decision you can make

(47:31):
in your life is who you marry. Because a lot of the times
that's who you have your children with, who you spend
your life with. And I kind of knew at that stage
with Josh that that's, you know,that was our future.
And so I'm just happy that I went in and protected what I had
at home. You were smart enough to.
Yeah. Yeah.

(47:51):
Because Josh, he doesn't sound like the kind of guy that would
have hung around if you didn't. You know what I mean?
Because the ones you married that they're not putting up with
that. Kind of stuff.
Exactly. And he was very like, he's very
private. Like we ended up, I ended up
having to like say to him we'd already had the baby, we were
engaged, and he'd still never let me post a photo of him on
social media. And then someone sent me this

(48:13):
massive Reddit thread that I'd been artificially inseminated
and he didn't exist. And I was like, babe, it's
actually. Turning into a big.
Story with you not letting me post a photo of you, so can I
please just post a photo of you so that you know these rumors
can be put to bed? Hannah so sounds like an amazing

(48:35):
apprenticeship before you dive into family life, motherhood,
all that sort of stuff. You know, how did that change
for you? And, and looking up and doing
the bit of the research like you, you know, that you're
following, you know, he's really, really strong and people
obviously have bought into the authenticity that you portray
and and just being real. And that seems to have obviously

(48:56):
continued pretty powerfully after the show.
Can you talk us, talk us throughthat?
So I think that motherhood for me has definitely softened me a
lot. I look at like, I guess how I
parent and how I speak with Ava and I definitely kind of talk to

(49:16):
her as like a little adult, you know, which I sometimes I'm
like, hmm, but I don't really know how to communicate any
other way. But she's definitely brought out
a, a really soft side of me, a very fiercely protective side of
me. I didn't realize I was such a
psycho before I had a. Kid Oh, you didn't watch the

(49:37):
show? Oh no, I'm even worse than
Natalie Per. She came home from daycare the
other day and she's like, Mommy Jacob called me ugly.
I'm like, oh really? Where does he?
Live. Where's his fucking Jacob?
What's his last? So yeah, I'm going to need to
get that in check before. So you're Jacobs Mama?

(49:58):
Yeah. Exactly.
I'm wrestle now, bitch, Let's go.
So, but yeah, it's definitely, Ithink, you know, I'm working on
something with one of my best friends at the moment because
the one thing that I've noticed is such a common theme with
mothers is this, I guess. I don't know if it's in

(50:24):
themselves or their partners or just something that happens when
you give birth, but I find, like, so many women stop looking
after themselves and stop being a human being apart from their
children, you know? 100% yeah.
Like even just being. They lose their identity.
They lose their identity. There's all this guilt around

(50:45):
looking after yourself or takingtime away from.
Your children or separating yourself or Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. And it's almost like this badge
of honour, like my child's 8 years old and I've never spent a
night away from them. It's like, that's not healthy,
you know? Like I'm next week I'm spending
three nights in the Hunter Valley with one of my best
girlfriends. And, you know, mum's coming up
to help with Ava. And I'm like, I just feel like

(51:09):
it's that, that thing, you know,on the airplane, it's like you
need to put your own mask on before you help others.
Yeah. You know, And I think especially
being on all these Facebook groups and these forums around
mothering, and it's like, you know, this one woman just broke
my heart the other day. She was like, I home make all my
kids snacks. They never eat out, they never

(51:32):
eat anything. This they never do this.
I, I, I set up arts and crafts for them every afternoon.
I do this and she's like. But I realize I don't have any
fun with them and I'm not happy and they don't particularly like
spending time with me. Or eating the shit food, yeah.
Exactly. And I'm like, that's the one
thing in our household, like we have a minimum of one dance

(51:53):
party a day. Like we just, there's, it's
just, you know, she eats shapes and cookies from the store.
What's? Her favorite shake?
Chicken Chicken Crimpy loves a happy meal.
You know, ate some Jenny Craig when I was doing that
sponsorship. Shout out Jenny Craig.

(52:14):
Is Jenny Craig still going? No, they've gone under.
Oh, they. Have surely.
Got some cash before they did that.
They were. They were, they did, they did
work. I lost all my baby weight with
them. But yeah, it's like it's so
important to be happy as a as a human being because when you're
happy as a human being, you're happy as a mother.

(52:35):
And then you're having like so much fun and laughter.
And like, the house doesn't needto be perfect.
Their diet doesn't need to be perfect every single night.
You need to just be able to relax a little bit.
Like look what we did in the 80s.
I don't know about you, but likemy mum's best friend, we used to
sit there watching movies while she chain smoked a.
Buffer. Yeah.
Annie. Joan.
Yeah. Exactly.

(52:56):
And we ate like. My Annie Joan.
Went in the microwave. It's like.
Yeah. And, you know, most of ours have
like, ADHD and anxiety issues and stuff like that, but I'm
sure it's not really. But yeah, there's something to
like just finding joy in motherhood and finding joy and
looking after yourself. And you know, it's OK to put
yourself forward some. You've got that, you've got that

(53:20):
voice, Hannah, which is cool. Like as a as a mum, like as a
first time mum in these groups. I'm pretty sure they'll be, you
know, you'd have a pretty strongvoice for sure.
Yeah. Yeah, well, definitely.
It's funny actually, because the, the post I was talking
about the other day, the, the woman, everyone was going, oh,
you should, you know, spend 20 minutes in bed with them every
night or you should, you know, make mud castles.

(53:41):
And I was like, you know what? Go and watch the sunset with a
glass of wine and some music youlistened to before you had kids.
Go and have a spa weekend. Don't they?
Who you were? Yeah, Yeah.
Go and like, go out with the girls, have dinner.
Don't talk about your children. Like remember you were a whole
ass person before you had a child.

(54:02):
And that's very, I don't know, it's like it's hard.
And I think as well, like a lot of women, they have their
maternity leave and then they goback to work and nothing changes
in the house. It's like, no, no, if you're
working and your husband's working, you can share the load
at home. And it's not a badge of honor if
you let him sit in front of the TV every night and you do dinner

(54:22):
and bath and bedtime and you never get any time for yourself.
And then, you know, you end up losing your marbles.
Here, here, my wife says. So what?
So what does that look like you and your mate, you know, I don't
know how much you can talk aboutor you want to talk about, but
what does that look like? Because it is a, a real strong

(54:45):
endeavour. Like I've got my wife at home.
We had four kids in. 4 1/2 years.
So had them pretty quickly. So it meant means for a pretty,
pretty busy life. And even if I wanted to sit in
front of the TV, you just can't at that sort of level.
But all the things you're mentioning is just, I guess,
super powerful because I see my wife go deep on the kids and

(55:05):
she's just in the kids and they come up this weekend.
They had an amazing weekend. She brought her two eldest girls
up. We got 2 twin.
Boys at their side. It was yeah.
And they and they just sort of loved it.
And even you've got the piece of, you know, your, you know,
your relationship with your partner.
Yeah, like you used to be in a relationship before you had
kids. That's what everyone forgets.
It's like, you know, the bloke or the.
So I think it's an amazing pursuit and.

(55:27):
And yeah, using your powers for good, But what, what does that,
what, what does that look like from a, I think from a sort of
platform or, or whatever point? Yeah, I think we're still trying
to work it out as well. Like I know what I'm.
The one thing that I know that Ineed to do in business is be
passionate about what I'm doing.You know, flogging merchandise
or making another spritzer or something like that isn't really

(55:50):
up my alley because I know that in order to be successful, like
I started my training school to.Help young people.
I was going to ask you about that.
The Ocean International. Yeah, I started that to help
young people get into yachting and I was so passionate,
passionate about that because watching guys come from like
Wyoming Starbucks to working on a superior in the Caribbean like

(56:10):
that gave me so much satisfaction and I loved doing
that. So I know that this next
endeavor I need to be passionateabout, which is why I wanna do
something around this. And I think it is really hard
because it's almost like one of those things, well, like, if I
had the time, I'd be doing it inthe first place.
And it's like, you need to almost get the family on board.

(56:33):
Like, the husband needs to be supportive.
Like, my husband's so good at that.
Like, I'll go like, last, I think it was last Monday.
I was like, oh, my God, babe, doyou know I'm out every single
night this week? He's like, yay.
Sounds familiar. Yeah.
So you definitely need to have the whole family on board.
But I also think it's one of those things, you know, I think

(56:55):
a lot of people, they let you know, for example, their
marriage, like you brought up, it's like use your village
because do you know what's better than, you know, spending
every single night looking afteryour kids and prioritizing them
above everything else. Like it's better to have two
happy parents that end up staying together because they

(57:15):
went on a date night every few weeks then it is to end up in a
relationship where you're never communicating, the only thing
you talk about is the children and then in 10 years time you're
getting divorced. Well, you're just disconnected.
Yeah, the kids have gone and yeah, you haven't.
There's nothing. Yeah, there's nothing left.
Yeah. Yeah, so it's like the actual
best thing you can do for the kids is use your village.

(57:37):
Like, if you've got a friend, you know, even if you have,
like, married friends, it's like, I can go over to your
place, put the kids down, and you guys go on date night.
You do it for me in two weeks. Yeah.
Like use the people. Your village wants that for you
as well, if they would be mortified to think that you're
not trying to lean on them and trying to, you know, look after
each other down this path. Yeah, yeah.

(57:58):
And it's honestly as well because it's almost like as
humans, we're like, told that needing help is a bad thing.
Yeah, we're almost programmed tobelieve.
Don't be a burden. Yeah, if you reach out to
someone and say I need help, that means you're weak or you
can't do it on your own. It doesn't.
It means that, like, be smart about it.

(58:20):
Like go let me look after myself.
Let me look after my relationship.
Let me look after, you know, my friendships.
Like so many people, when they get married and have kids, they
don't hang out with their singlefriends anymore because they
only do play dates. No, those relationships are
going to be there for you when you trip and you fumble in life
and you need support got and help those people get.

(58:44):
They're single. They've got all the time in the
world like nowhere else to be. Yeah, look.
After them, Yeah, really, I said.
Those ones. So yeah, we're still definitely
in the early stages of it. And like I said, probably one of
the biggest roadblocks is a lot of women, you know, they won't
actually do it. So apart from like, you know,

(59:07):
going and kidnapping them in themiddle of the night, I'm not
sure how we can do it. But I'm hoping that maybe by
building a community where we dohave these open and honest
conversations and let these, youknow, women know that it is OK
to not be OK. It's OK to need help.
It's OK to leave your husband athome, to put the kids to bed one

(59:31):
night and go and sit and have dinner with a friend.
You know, like those things. Kids may not make it to bed, but
it is OK to. Be alive.
That's what I say. If, if, if, if my KPI is being
alive. Yeah, we will succeed and.
That's what I was gonna say it'slike.
Who? But don't stress.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like tell your husband, even if
he's you know, I shouldn't say that useless.

(59:52):
But if he really can't make dinner for the kids, stop.
Fucking nodding Joe. Yeah.
But you get it done, don't you get resourceful because dads can
can get it done to a level as well.
But I think, I think like you say, dragging them out of the
middle of the night, obviously abit extreme, but just letting
them know it's OK and reminding them like we go through periods
where it's like, yeah, you coulddo that.

(01:00:13):
This Friday, like you could justgo yeah, but you that it's
stupid that that just doesn't come into your mind normally,
but it doesn't often. So sending the message that it's
OK and you should pre plan some of those things for your mental
health and I great pursuit. I think that's the biggest thing
is pre planning because it's almost like it.
Never happens. Yeah, there's something about
like, if I go, I'm going to meetyou at the pub a week from

(01:00:37):
Friday at 6:00 PM and we're going to have dinner.
Yeah, I tell my partner. And then it's like you almost
feel as well more obligated to follow through when you've pre
planned it. Like you don't tend to cancel if
it's like, oh, do you want to goto the pub in an hour?
No, I can't do that. I'm putting the kids to bed.
Whereas when it's like thought down.
I let someone down. Yeah.

(01:00:58):
Looking forward to it. Yeah, exactly.
And also, I don't know, like I guess I see it a lot in my area.
Like it's like, oh, you know, but my husband goes to work, so
like every Friday night he goes for drinks after work and then
has a sleeping on the Saturday. It's like, you know, if your
wife's got 4 kids, she's workingharder than you.
You gotta. You gotta wax those if you are
doing that, you gotta. Share it and you know, make sure

(01:01:21):
that both your you know both of your cups are being filled and
looked after them. Yeah, now that sounds like an
amazing pursuit and a message that needs to be heard.
So yeah, it seems like a really pure pursuit.
Yeah, I, I was going to ask about the podcast, your podcast.
So if you still got the podcast,because that was, that was like,
I'm just trying to think of reality, your reality, your F

(01:01:42):
yeah, yeah. So that was about you reading
your Diaries right now. To be honest, I haven't listened
to the podcast because I reckon that would be weird if I was
listening to your fucking Diaries as a young girl.
So hand up. Haven't listened to him, but
aware of the podcast. Yeah.
And that's that's I do have a few questions like did you pre
read them? Did you did you sort of water
them down? Did you skip any and did you

(01:02:04):
know what was coming? That was actually what it
started with about 4 1/2 years ago.
It then turned into like interviewing reality stars and
housewives and things like that.And I've put it on pause for
now. I just kind of felt like I was
like, I, I'm a little bit over interviewing housewives and

(01:02:25):
reality stars. I know I don't know how that
could happen. And I just went like, to me, I'm
not going to sit there and, you know, kind of quaff on on a
podcast. Just cause just you said it
before, you're not going to go and fucking start a merch line
because that's what you should do Exactly.
It's just not your. Yeah.
Your role. So I just told them I'm like, I

(01:02:46):
just want to put it on pause fornow.
I had a lot going on as well in my home life.
And you know, when you're just like, I don't really have much
to say. I just like I don't have
anything to say to anyone. At the moment, well, here's
here's why I kind of bought it up because when you were talking
before about you're not sure about the platform and you're
not sure, you know, with this voice, with motherhood and

(01:03:09):
sharing that voice with your friend, I feel like that brand
leans into it. 100 and you already have already built
audience that that they're not there for Below Deck.
Yeah, they're there for you. Yeah.
You know. What I mean?
And I. Feel like.
That's your fucking platform. Man, that's I've definitely
thought that through. Because it's reality, like

(01:03:29):
that's what it is like, you knowwhat I mean?
And you're saying the reality isyou've got to look after
yourself, you've got to go. So I feel like the platform's
there. I think you just basically
launched my new podcast without me actually saying anything.
I wasn't planning on talking about it on this.
Podcast but. Thanks.
No, no, no. Well, you should, because that's
the thing. People are listening to what you

(01:03:50):
said. Like Pete said, it's bizarre the
engagement and and the love thatyou do have, because there's
been a lot of stews on that show.
You're only on it for four fucking seasons.
You know what I mean? Like, oh, sorry for five, sorry
for five seasons, but that show's been.
He's he's discounted the boring.I took out Season 4, yeah.
Took out season 4, my favorite season.
But I don't know where I was going.

(01:04:11):
Now I've lost myself, Yeah. No, it's a new potty.
You know, it's all we're pumped.But it's a genuine pursuit
because yeah, like I'm like, I see it.
I see it. On the I agree.
Especially in our circles. And it does happen.
I think I've seen it with our friends.
You know what I mean? Like me and Joe are a bit older,
our kids are a little bit older.So we're at the other end where
the kids are leaving and then the friends, the parents are
left. Yes, that kind of makes.

(01:04:32):
Sitting there next to each othergoing like fuck, what did I do
marrying you? Who were you?
Again. Yeah, exactly.
But I think to be honest, it's one of those things where I go
something like Ocean International, my training
Academy that was all about getting information out my head
into courses. And like, she was all very like
clinical and it was a lot of work.

(01:04:54):
But I feel like this is such a sensitive topic.
And to me, I go, I'd prefer to, I'm not trying to rush anything
to market. Like I'd actually prefer to have
these conversations with women. Think it through really.
It's like it's a, it's a sensitive topic for a lot of
women. So I want to make sure that I do

(01:05:15):
it justice when I do start speaking about it publicly or I
do start a podcast cast, I wannamake sure that I'm doing it in a
way that's respectful because a lot of women, the reason that
they are in that situation is because they love their children
so much. Absolutely.
You know, they have this love. They're.
Too close to it to see that they're not doing, yeah.

(01:05:36):
Exactly. So you don't want somebody
sitting there listening to a podcast about it going Now I
just feel shittier about myself,you know?
Yeah. Thanks to the point.
Yeah, thanks for pointing. Out all my.
Flaws and like that, I don't speak to my husband anymore and
I never see my friends now. I feel worse, you know, So it's
definitely something that I wantto do, that I want to take my

(01:05:57):
time in doing to make sure that I get it right.
And I show these women that I have a lot of respect for them.
You know motherhood is the hardest job you can do.
Like you're not talking Adam. Yes, exactly.
I want to and I want to engage real life situations.
Like there's no point in going like, oh, I'll get on, you know,

(01:06:18):
a bunch. I'll interview like a bunch of
Real Housewives mothers who havenannies and maids.
And clean. Imagine.
Imagine the real mums. Just yeah.
We need to be talking to Gemma. That's what you need to be
talking to. That's what I mean.
I mean, it's like kind. Of disrespectful.
To them, if I'm gonna you know, it's it would be taking my kind
of brand and especially the podcast in a completely
different route. So I need to make sure that I do

(01:06:40):
it respectfully to real women. Yeah, absolutely.
Well, make it authentic. I think that's otherwise,
really. Just sometimes I go home bull in
a China shop and go just go out,just go out.
What are you doing? And then it's on like she's.
Just yeah, got. No idea.
So you sort of it has to be if yeah, you have to come in coming
nicely. I think that's a.
Great. Yeah, exactly.
And just be, you know, really aware of, you know, the

(01:07:03):
situation that a lot of these women are in.
Yeah, You know, make sure. And they could be dealing with
other things as well, other mental issues that.
So No, I think yeah. Oh, Hannah, thanks so much for
coming on and sharing your storyand being so authentic, which it
sounds like that's your only gear.
But yeah, well done and well done with motherhood now.

(01:07:23):
And I think, yeah, such a honestand pure pursuit because, yeah,
for people just to just to hear that it's OK to not be OK and
all those sorts of things is really good.
And like I said, you've got an amazing following and that sort
of thing. And to to push into something
like that sounds sounds really needed and pure and genuine.
Yeah, thank you guys so much forhaving me.

(01:07:45):
Your husband, he's in property. Yeah, yes, practically.
Be best friends with PK here. Don't.
Mind the property you're doing. Legend thank.
You guys at the beach? Then again, you bring the beer.
Thank you so much. Thanks.
Awesome guys like share, subscribe, see you at the top
you. People will be part of a winning

(01:08:07):
team. People can find a better version
of themselves if they choose. You just need to go start some
shit. Action is all that matters.
Be a man of your word. Think I look back now and I'm
like, well, that took some guts.He can't, he can't.
He can't see you at the top.

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