July 21, 2022 • 52 mins
This week, Heather is joined by former Bachelor contestant and respected business leader Jason Tartick to unpack his new book The Restart Roadmap. Jason is a Wall Street Journal Best Selling Author, the host of Apple’s Top Charting Business Podcast “Trading Secrets”, entrepreneur of 5 operating companies, investor, and speaker. After 10 years of working in Corporate Banking he took a detour into reality television to be a contestant on Season 14 of ABC’s, The Bachelorette. Since then he has made several appearances on The ABC Network: Good Morning America, The Bachelor Season 23, Celebrity Family Feud, Listen to Your Heart, Live with Kelly & Ryan, The Bachelorette: Greatest Seasons Ever, Dancing with The Stars, and The Bachelorette Season 17.
His business endeavors - coupled with his reality tv time has lead to a 1,200,000+ social media following. In addition he has landed co-hosting opportunities on Live from E!, Yahoo Finance, & E! Daily Pop. He has been featured on The Today Show, The Ellen Tube, Fox News, CNN, People TV, Entertainment Tonight, Live from New York, & Ryan Seacrest Show. He and his fiancé Kaitlyn Bristowe, both starred in Brett Kissel’s Music Video “Drink about Me” which received a Juno nomination. He’s even been part of a WWE Match and was Formally Announced as the CO-Champion of the 24/7 WWE Belt.
Jason worked for nearly ten years in banking, earned his MBA in Accounting & Finance, and executed over $150,000,000 in lending transactions.
Jason has now become an investor in Evoke Foods & The Fintron Invest App. He owns 50% of a social media talent agency. He is a 4x best selling list author, “The Restart Roadmap, Rewire & Reset Your Career”. He founded Red Ridge Capital, a business lending and investment company. He has founded Restart Consulting, an educational company centered around career & money management. He has launched the “All Access Business Networking Group” which has signed over 1000 members. He started a Business focused Instagram Chanel Restart_Reset with 100K+ following, a YouTube with 10K+ subscribers. Weekly he offers a Monday market newsletter to his 20K+ subscribers.
Jason is also a renown professional business speaker. He has been featured in USA Today and has spoken at The New York Yankees front office, Capital One Headquarters, NYU Stern School of Business, University of Kansas, Oakland University, Sacred Heart University, Quinnipiac University, DePaul University, Northeastern University, Loyola Marymount University, Nichols College, SUNY Geneseo, and Iowa State University.
Be sure to follow the pod on IG!
His business endeavors - coupled with his reality tv time has lead to a 1,200,000+ social media following. In addition he has landed co-hosting opportunities on Live from E!, Yahoo Finance, & E! Daily Pop. He has been featured on The Today Show, The Ellen Tube, Fox News, CNN, People TV, Entertainment Tonight, Live from New York, & Ryan Seacrest Show. He and his fiancé Kaitlyn Bristowe, both starred in Brett Kissel’s Music Video “Drink about Me” which received a Juno nomination. He’s even been part of a WWE Match and was Formally Announced as the CO-Champion of the 24/7 WWE Belt.
Jason worked for nearly ten years in banking, earned his MBA in Accounting & Finance, and executed over $150,000,000 in lending transactions.
Jason has now become an investor in Evoke Foods & The Fintron Invest App. He owns 50% of a social media talent agency. He is a 4x best selling list author, “The Restart Roadmap, Rewire & Reset Your Career”. He founded Red Ridge Capital, a business lending and investment company. He has founded Restart Consulting, an educational company centered around career & money management. He has launched the “All Access Business Networking Group” which has signed over 1000 members. He started a Business focused Instagram Chanel Restart_Reset with 100K+ following, a YouTube with 10K+ subscribers. Weekly he offers a Monday market newsletter to his 20K+ subscribers.
Jason is also a renown professional business speaker. He has been featured in USA Today and has spoken at The New York Yankees front office, Capital One Headquarters, NYU Stern School of Business, University of Kansas, Oakland University, Sacred Heart University, Quinnipiac University, DePaul University, Northeastern University, Loyola Marymount University, Nichols College, SUNY Geneseo, and Iowa State University.
Be sure to follow the pod on IG!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Strah Media.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome, better to get a Dan and Heather, except last
week it was it was better to get.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Now what's now?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
It's happening. Now they're listening.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I know you recorded with Jason last week when I
went to Boston.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I know I did it all by myself and you did.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
All by yourself. How did you feel like a big girl?
Did you put on your big girl pants?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I did, and I was like, oh, you know, I'm
going to just be able to run this thing and
I just don't. And then I like sat in the
seat and I'm like, I think I'm nervous.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Did you did you get nervous?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
We tried to get me to sit there?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No, I told her, I said, why didn't like listen,
this is going to happen sometimes.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
When you know that ship Ryan and he's like, no,
that would be weird, and I'm like, ship, I'm right fine.
I was like, you know, ready to let I was
ready to steal the show. But apparently I'm not really
ambitious like that. So so you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Didn't kiss his ass like I do? Or what does
that mean?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Just like the kisses ass? He's adorable, I mean, and
he was.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I hated to miss Jason, not like a wife or
girlfriend or or or mistress or anything like that. I'm
just saying I missed seeing you.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I didn't like breaking the news day that you weren't
going to be there, because everybody, you know, wants to try.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
He wept.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
He he quietly wept. Yes. But but he's the sweetest,
just smartest, just he's like, I hate it, this is
he's too good.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I know.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It's like, you know, I kind of want like if
Henry grew up to be him, I would be so happy.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Like I really know.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Trying to force that on Homer. I'm like, listen, you
want to be finance guy. You want to be Jason Tartic.
First of all, he was a you know, he's a bachelor.
The dude has more money coming his way. And I'm
going to why, wait, why you have to explain everybody
who's listening this bachelor.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
This is why.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, go ahead, She's opening a bottle of shampi.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
By the way, some people don't know that Jason Tarctic
was a bachelor exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I just reminded him. I actually didn't watch.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
It, but.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I see your new books.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I didn't have the heart to see him get apparently
he got dumped in Thailand or something.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Oh wow, I'm sure he just enough o that, like
they do cry in the car on the way home.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Oh hello, written, But the reason I'm pouring champagne is
a because I like to drink it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, good Ryan, come on in here, blah blah byah,
and we're doing we are doing something special here. But
show your cute face even if somebody is watching, like.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
YouTube, you can watch us on YouTube.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Tube.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Are really fun and cute and that's why I make
a living.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
And so listen. So I thought this isn't in here, Ryan,
say hi, okay hi. So he did not come in
and sub for me. Like this thing was that when
Jason went to meet his bachelorette, like when they get
out of the car, they.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Go and and Jesus, I don't know, I got excited,
all right.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So when Jason got out of the car and went
to meet his bachelorette, he had a champagne glass or
a wine glass with a bottle of wine and etched
in the wine last with his family's toast.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Wait a minute, the bachel learned to dump dumped him?
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yes, and so.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Zia, you would appreciate this. Yes, his family toast is
my family toast. It's Kiki's Keiky's family toast.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So our listeners might hear say Kiki a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Okay, so listen. So instead of saying God, I say Kiki.
And I know everybody anybody has listened knows this. So
this is to Keiki, this is to this is Heathern's grandfather,
who's very much a part of our lives every day.
So what did he say?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
He said.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
To happiness and wealth and all the time in which
to enjoy it in I love that because see, all
the time covers the fact that you're not going to die.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
And got it? Cheers?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Did you get that? Guys?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, she said it in private, even though we're being filmed.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So the episode that you're about to hear is just
little me. But Anne's gonna come back in the end.
So don't tune away because.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
If all this time not a little you from what
I hear, we're mentioned Jason's book, which makes us what.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yes, I was listening to the book on my way
back from San Francisco, and he mentioned all the people in.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
His book called called you guys just only had a
sip of champagne I swear to god she didn't ride drunk.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
She really didn't. I mean I didn't think so Restart
road map.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
There you go, there you go, just some cup flies
off the tongue. Restart road Map with Jason Tartic and
Heather Duffy as the commentator.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So I listened to the book because I do listen
now more than I read.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
They know everybody says they read books. Bullshit, they'd listen
in their car.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah. Well, so I listened to it on the way
back from San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
What a good way to do.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
It's like driving.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
He was talking about all the you know, famous people
he's had on Trading Secrets because that's the number one. Well, no,
it was anne H. And then he said pan H
and Heather Duffy.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, well, because we do a podcast together.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I know, but I thought it was sweet. He could
have just said anne H.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, which would and absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And listen, I do claim fame before you die. I
mean I know that you're now the diva Jesus. I
can't even get her out of the bathroom. She looks
so pretty all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So listen. So this was a good one for you
not to be out and let me tell you why. Okay,
because this is a lot about people who have suffered
through shitty corporate jobs.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Pause period, Hold on, now you've had shitty jobs? No, no, no, no, no,
just one second.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I have to give a shot up because I went
to do a movie with joe I swear to God,
my glasses jumping.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I went to do a movie with Joey Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And I just have to say for talking about what
not having shitty having shitty jobs.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I mean, this is why you shouldn't have been on
the show. I Joey Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
First of all, he's been working his tail off since
I think before he could talk.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I mean, I swear to God this game. And he's adorable,
and he's so adorable. He is beautiful. He's a grown up. Yes,
he has a grown up and his.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Brother and his brother and his wife and and I
just have two his new wine. It's a wrong com.
I wrote, it's a rom com. They wrote it together.
I don't play either one of their mothers. But I
just had a blast.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And I want to say to.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
People who I mean, people will me we go through
our careers. When you have sustained a career for forty years.
He says thirty, I'm at forty years of sustaining a
career in the arts. And he and I laughed over
many many things. But kids, good shit, they're like, you
don't have a real job now. He supported his family
(06:34):
and his children, and I feel that sometimes.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
To like, yeah, well, you're an actress, as if it's
not a real job.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And I am saying that getting into what you talked
about with Jason, because there are You're right.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I do not have a corporate job. I work my
ass off.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
What people don't understand. I get up in the morning,
four o'clock in the morning and go to set work
seventeen hours a day. I train my body every single
day to be available for whatever it is I have
to do, like Hi, dancing with the Stars. You never
know what's going be put in front of you. It's
very different life, and people don't understand it. We don't
talk about it very much. But it was really fun
to share off with Joey Lawrence, who like is so successful,
(07:10):
has worked his tail off since the time he was teething,
and and and we were so unappreciated, like, oh yeah,
that job that has supported everybody in our lives, But yeah,
it's that one. So so anyway, cheers to you, you
gorgeous couple, and thank you for having me on your movie.
And and that's this takes us Jason.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So let's let's talk about the book.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Is to get to a place where you feel like
your job, you feel about your job like you just
talked about with like such excitement and enthusiastic rights as
opposed to what.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Are we talking about? What does Jason talk about in
the Cort world?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I mean, just a feeling of being trapped and that
how how he of course he's a numbers guy, right,
so he ran the numbers of how much time he
was able to be himself. It was like on a Saturday, right,
Because isn't that also occurred to me is that we
always talk about how women, you know, have to wear
high heels and all that stuff. Wearing a business suit
(08:07):
must be the most uncomfortable. Just can you imagine having
to wear a business suit every day? Well?
Speaker 6 (08:13):
I do.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I look around, but of course we live downtown somewhere
near the courthouses and everything. And if I've ever driving
around your walking downtown and I see all the I do,
I love sometimes like wow, how many.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Blue suits get sold each year?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Like the waste style is defined in businessmen is is
it blue or is it gray? Well, now it's a
little more but still, I mean maybe the lining is
a little bit different to ties. But your expression is
like do you wear a you know, a pocket square?
It's like pocket square? Wow, you're really dapper, you know
what I mean. It's like But the idea that Jason's
talking about it how much how much time do you
(08:49):
get to be yourself?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Which is a good question to ask yourself, no matter
what it is that you're doing.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, And then we talked a little bit about, you know,
because his book is basically for if you're in a
job you how do you get out of it? Why
do you restart that? And then I brought up, you know,
the fact that a lot of women after raising kids
or men, after you take that time off after raising kids, how.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Do you get back you get back into this because
there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Of us that are going through that now, a lot
of my friends at the age that we're not everybody
has a podcast partner, that's right, Van, So so yes,
we talked about we talked about how I couldn't get
back into the workforce because my resume was on a
floppy disk, just a technology had changed. So how was
I going to ever print that resume? Where was I
going to find a device to print out that?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I don't know? I say people could do that a
little bit easier. I mean, I wonder you didn't get
a job.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But here's don't even that what a floppy disk is
because you didn't have an office. No, I'm not floppy,
But here's the thing or saggy, just deaf. Yi, I
want to know what I want to.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
But I'm realizing that Jason probably didn't know what a
floppy disk is. Do you know what a floppy disk is? Okay?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I mean he's I mean, of course, I mean it's
he's Ruyn, he's our producer. He knows what a floppy
disk is. I mean, my god, he's not twenty. He
is almost twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But okay, I want to say, so, so what is
the how do you take that leap? I mean, it's
one thing to say you're Jason Tarctic. Okay, oh my god,
you were a bachelor all my all, my was this
before his bachelor days? He I think I remember him
saying he did that before the Bachelor days and when
the Bachelor came along, which not everybody gets that offer. Well,
when the Bachelor came along, he's like, screw it up.
(10:23):
I'm I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Well, that is a risk.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I was very proud of my tease that I did
in the actual episode. But I guess I'll do it here.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, do it? What if we find out.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Why Jason leaves his bank? Ultimately?
Speaker 7 (10:37):
And it was after the Bachelor, Oh, it was after
the Bachelor. It was are you gonna tease me?
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Like?
Speaker 7 (10:43):
I mean, I'm be sitting here on the edge of
my all my kitchen seat. I mean, I'll tell you
this much what it had to do with sex?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh boy, I really am sorry that I missed this.
So yes, I want to know sex with his clothes on? No,
I would prefer the other way.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But whatever, that's not as much of a team fired.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You got, you got?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
He got fired for having sex with his clothes on?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, well, I mean no, she just blew it.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Like the whole thing about Heather is hilarious, Like she's
gonna I'm gona teach you.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I'm gonna teach you know what. I'm just gonna tell you.
He got he got fired for having.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Sex with Isn't that confusing?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Isn't that making's confusing?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I imagine it's with his boss and it was in
her office, But listen, that's not what it was.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Clinton and Monicolewinsky did it too. Let's listen to take
that out. Let's let's leave it with you can She
just doesn't stop. I mean, I'm telling you, did I
say she was a diva? She's a diva? How is
that making me a diva? Because she just want now
we're messy? No, it's already. Listen, everybody like, cut, get out.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
God.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
This is Jason's Tartic episode starring Heather Duffy.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
That's true. We're better than get listen and welcome back
to Better Together. Jason Tartik. We're so happy to see
you again.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
It is so good to be back. I was wondering.
I'm like, what happened Better Together? I need to get
back on and he told me about your little hiatus
and everything you guys have going. So it is so
good to be here. How are you doing, Heather?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
We're great, I keep saying we but Ann isn't with
us today, but tow me back. She's filming a movie.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
And this is the first show you're doing by yourself.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Right it is. I don't know. I keep saying we
because we're like we're like one unit, so all by myself,
but I've still got Ryan here with me. But it's
so great to see you, and you've been so busy
with so much for people who are new to us
this season. Last season, Jason came on and was our
(12:46):
money guy. He took us through all sorts of ways
to save money, to invest our money, all sorts of
money tips. And since then, you've written a book that
is all about careers and the career shift, which is
actually very timely with what has happened with COVID and
(13:08):
the great resignation. So do you want to talk a
little bit about your book, which I read and absolutely loved.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah, thank you so much so. The books called The
Restart road Map. I came out in April and we
did a book tour, which was great. We did eight cities,
eight stops in eight days. It was absolutely madness, but
it went really well and the book was received well.
It hit four bestseller lists and was the number one
on Wall Street Journal New Release, which is exciting and
(13:35):
the whole book is about rethinking and resetting your career
to the expectations and kind of the vision that you've
always imagined as opposed to the maybe reality of how
life has led you down. And so what I tell
people is, through my ten years in corporate banking, I
got to sit in some of what Forbes called the
(13:56):
most powerful executives in banking. And then through my time
in this whole media entertainment space, I've got to see
some of the best of the best behind the camera
and in front of the camera, and all these little
trading secrets about positioning and branding and negotiating and redeploying
your energy. I've got to see some of the best do.
And that's what this book's about. It's an eight step
(14:17):
roadmap to make the smallest adjustment to your career or
like the most material shift.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
We'll tell your story though, tell your story about being
in banking and what kind of led you to leave banking.
I mean, I know it was dry humping, but.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
We'll get to that in a minute.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
People are like, what in the world is she talking about?
Say now, you can't now, you can't tune it out.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Okay, you're locked in now, Well, so My whole story
is I was a banker for ten years and that
was pretty much the yes man. You tell me what
to what to say, how to say it, where to go,
I'm going. I moved four or five times with the bank.
The biggest move I made was from New York to
Seattle because management said it's a great opportunity and they
put big bucks in front of me, and I was there.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And that's one of the things you talk about in
the book is that if you're willing to relocate, you
can make more money and you can also get a
higher title.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Right, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Mean one of the big things you have to do
is identify which of the core career pillars you're trying
to seek and chase. I was trying to really seek
at this time the compensation pillar. And when you want
to get compensated and promoted and accelerated in large corporate America,
one of the easiest ways to do it is to
be mobile, to be willing to relocate, to take opportunity
(15:43):
inside the headquarters outside the headquarters. All things I did.
But what the problem is that your only career core pillar,
you might find yourself losing yourself. And that's what I found.
I found myself living my title and my identity through
the bank, the title they gave me and what they
asked me to do. I got back from work in
(16:03):
Seattle one day and I literally had no one. I
didn't have a family member within three thousand miles. I
didn't have any friends there because I had just moved there,
and I was just like literally a puppet on the
corporate string. And I remember this also led to a
lot of like severe anxiety, Like I was starting to
have massive anxiety attacks and panic disorders and seeing psychologists
(16:25):
and psychiatrists and getting prescribed xanax and beta blockers to
treat those situational things. And what happened was when I
really dug to the root of it, it was because
I could totally lost any sort of identity meet I
lost who I was, and I was trying to be
everything to everyone as opposed to just being me. And
then I got asked to go on the reality show
(16:45):
The Bachelorette, And you can imagine managing reality TV and
corporate America isn't always the easiest area to navigate. And
after getting off the show, I worked for about a
year when I was really at the tail end of
about leaving my corporate job, which I had planned, but
to the dry hump story. What happened was Caitlin, my fiance,
(17:07):
and her podcast Off the Vine. She has a confession
she always tells and her guests always have to tell.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
It's a great podcast about women empowerment and really being.
It's very similar to what we're about, which is, you know,
being through honesty, we empower each other and make each
other feel more together right on.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
It's like, you know, education, inspiration, a comedy, all the
things that you guys do through the fact that, like,
she'll have people on that her listeners look up to.
And the reason behind the confession is like, even these
people that you idolize or watch on TV or read
their book or whatever it is, they still have the
most like cringe embarrassing moments too. We're all humans, doesn't
(17:49):
matter who what the hell you're doing. And so that's
her idea with the confession. So she tells a story
that the first time we ever hooked up, she we're
dry humping and she has an orgasm and she's weird
in a live show and she's like, and that's how
we knew who's my guy? And you know, she's being funny,
she's been relatable, and so that story got picked up
(18:10):
in all the headlines, and as a result of that,
the bank pretty much put me in the predicament, go
restart your career outside the bank, but if you stay
with the bank, we'll allow it. But nothing outside. No
more podcasts, no more social media. Literally can't do anything
without our approval. And as a result of that, I
ended up leaving the bank restarting a few businesses that
(18:31):
I've started, and that's why I thought the Restart Roadmap
was the perfect title.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Does the bank feel I wonder how they feel about
it now, seeing how successful you've become, if they feel
like they were assholes, are wrong, or do you have
any contact with them, or if they contacted you. I'm
just curious, you know.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Yes, no one's actually ever asked me that. And what's
interesting is a lot of the people I was like
really close with, the people that like were my friends,
not like colleagues, were still pretty close and they're all
super jazzed up, excited and want to hear more about
what I'm doing. Funny enough, my boss, my boss's boss,
(19:12):
my boss's boss's boss, and the president at the time,
all four of those positions. None of those people are
still with the bank. Interesting, so the people that like
had you know, an impact on really what the result
of that was. Yeah, they're they're no longer with the
big They too may have got fired, probably not for
(19:33):
dry humping.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
But that's all right. Let's back up a little bit,
because I know and our listeners know that you're a
numbers guy, and you ran the numbers of how much
when you were working at the bank, of how much
time you actually spent kind of being able to be yourself.
And I think that this is something that a lot
of our listeners can relate to, and it something I
can relate to as somebody who was always hated an
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office job. Hated it felt like felt this just like
Paul come over me when I walked into the office.
I remember my first office job in college at a
law firm, just thinking this is I remember driving there
and seeing guys on the side of the road selling
rugs and thinking how lucky they were that they could
like be on the side of the road selling rugs
and I had to go into this office And then
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cut to getting my first job out of college that
I hated. So when you talk in your book about
the Sunday scaries, which is you know that Sunday when
it's after like five o'clock, when you know, like, oh,
now it's just a regular work day, and I got
to go back to that place tomorrow. I remember I
would drive on the ten Freeway because this place was
in Santa Monica for local people, that'll make sense. But
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there was a mural on the side of the freeway
that they were painting, and I said, by the time
they finished painting that mural, I'm going to quit this job.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
And I like that did you do it?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Jason? That mural was peeling and faded? And by the
time I quit that job because I didn't know how
to do it and I wanted to, but but it
was you know, at that time, I was like my
first job out of college, so I hadn't built up
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experience yet, and it was a different time. We didn't
have the options of freelance that fit we have now.
It was very you were very locked into you know,
what we call a real job. I remember, you know,
living in Hollywood and all my friends. The only people
who didn't have real jobs were people who worked in
Hollywood and they would would be out for drinks and
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everybody would be like, are you working tomorrow? And like
I get furious because like, yes, I'm working tomorrow. I
work every day. I work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
you know, And they would everybody would just be like,
you know, asking that around, and it would drive me
nuts because no, I'm going into that place.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
And it is funny though, even when I spent a
little time in La I was like, does any buddy
work here? So I could I could see why if
you were at that courtride and you see kind of
like the lifestyle of people in entertainment and arts is
totally different. You're probably just driving yourself nuts. And I
think you made a lot of good points there. Like,
you know, it's never been easier to make a shift
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than now. There's never been more opportunity to do what
you want to do, literally from the desk you're sitting
at today, and so there's just so many options out
there to the numbers. Thing. One thing I talked about
is I started to find myself on Sunday. I was
getting like severe anxiety leading up to the week. Right
the whole week, I felt like what I call is
like my career jail, Like I have to go lock myself,
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go report to career jail, and do what I had
to do to continue to exceed the expectations and be
the banker Jason. And then finally I get out Friday afternoon,
head right to the bar and take down a couple
shots because I just got released. And then what I
felt like Saturday was like the one day I could
be made, the one day I could talk the way
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I wanted to talk and act. I want to act
and be with people and friends that were truly friends,
not because I was like networking, as I had to
show that I was like establishing myself with the right
people in the community. I could just be me. And
I started to do the math, and I'm like, wait
a second, If I can only be me one out
of seven days a week, that's fourteen percent of my year,
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my week. You talk about like your livelihood, you know,
on average, if the United States were living until like
it's like mid seventies, I'm living literally like eleven years
of myself. If I'm literally just feeling like me, truly me,
one day a week. And I was just like, that's
just not a good equation. It's not a bad equation.
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I think the message there and the takeaway is if
you're feeling stuck, if you're feeling like you're not making
an impact or passionless, or you're not creating a legacy
or doing something that drives you in any way, there's
so many options out there to do something different. You
just have to readjust and restart what you're doing today.
And anyone can do it. And I know people will say, oh,
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that person, they got this break or that break, or
this is what happened. But there's so much tact and
strategy that can go into really starting to write your
own path as opposed to being led for you. And
the last thing I'll say before I pause is if
you do not take proactive action, the system and the
structure a lot of big corporate just the structure in
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America in general, it is shaped for you to be led.
So if you don't take lead over what you want,
you will be led. And the question is do you
want to be led in the direction that this structure
and what I call the blueprint will lead you, or
do you want to take control and make the most
out of the years you do have that you're contributing
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to your professional legacy, work and impact.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I think those are just such great points for people
to hear because I think there's so many people that
are stuck in careers or in jobs that they don't love,
and it's real important to kind of evaluate and think
about what it is that you want to do. And
(25:07):
you know, I do. I do public relations, and what
I do a lot of times with new clients is
we sit down and we do a strategic planning session
and we map out a mission statement, a vision statement values.
You know, the mission statement is kind of who you
are and uh and why you are, and the vision
is where you want to be. And the mission statement,
(25:29):
if done right, is going to get you there right.
And I think that people can do that personally as well.
I think that like in this, I think that that
could be weaved into the restart is that really sit
down and write your own personal mission statement about what
you want in your career, in your in your life.
(25:50):
And and I think that that's something that can be
applied because I think you really and you talk about
like where you want to live and the and evaluate
all of those things, and you talked about in the book,
the difference in living expenses from Nashville to I think
you were comparing it to New York or soever one
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of the big cities. Can you talk a little bit
about that.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, absolutely so. I think one of the big things
is you now that you call it your mission statement,
I'm calling it like to define exactly what success means
to you. Your definition should be a lot different than mine. Yes,
and then finding a career that's applicable. But there's think
about this right now where you live. You're listening to this,
Just give me a score. What does your city do
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for you financially? What does it do for you professionally?
And what does it do for you personally? Personally is
like how happy is it? You have the best of friends,
there's family close, Like what does that city bring to
your personal life? Professionally, what does that city the demographics,
the makeup contribute to the area of work you're in
or want to be in. And then financially like the
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cost of living adjustment. And I put some scenarios in
the book of You Know. If I made you Know
fifty five k let's say in Nashville that I would
have to make about one hundred and sixty five k
in San Francisco or New York. Right. So the whole
idea is really thinking about how all these scores personally, professionally,
financially contribute to where you live and what the city's
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doing back for you. And so for me, I was
in Seattle. Right, it was super expensive, big tech city
banking was not even on the map of Seattle as
far as like top cities to be in for banking.
And personally, I had no one located within three thousand
miles for me that were family or friends, and I
was like two thousand miles from headquarters. So yes, I
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got a good deal to go out there, but the
long jeopardy, it did not make sense. The city was
not bringing the value to me that I needed to.
And that's how I knew for sure that Seattle, Washington
was not the place for me. And if you change
the place that you're in, it could have such an
impact on your happiness and your professional acceleration.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And you make the good point to really wagh everything.
Because I live in Los Angeles and I know it's
very expensive, and I think about moving out, but I
never would because I have such you know, a tight
group of friends and family, and I love LA. So
I'm willing to take that hit. And it's a hit,
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you know, but I'm willing to.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Do it totally. And I give the example like my brother,
where I say, Steven, for the money you paid for
your place in New York, we can have a customized
place anything you want, Nashville, Tennessee, and exact, exact response
similar to yours is. But then I live in Nashville, Tennessee,
and I love New York. New York is the best
place in the world and for him, and I think
what you just said is so important. You said, I
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love where I live. I love LA. If you love LA,
if you love where you live, you are in such
a minority of individuals across the United States. If you
could say I'm in a city that I love, I adore,
I love it, I never want to leave, that is
such a small friend of the entire population. And so
once you know that you're there, now it's all about
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bringing the city and your experience in the city in
your professional acceleration to the next level.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
It's unfortunate I can't say that about Kansas, but I
mean the other thing that I want to talk about,
so I just I want people listening, when they're done
(29:32):
listening with this show to have like really clear steps
if they hate their job, if they're unfulfilled. And I
also want to tie in something that is really important
and that comes up for me a lot because I'm
a little bit older than you. Actually I'm a lot
older than you, but is when kids, oftentimes parents will
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take time off to raise their kids, then they have
to go back into the job market, and that's a
huge rece start. I did that and it was really
I wish that I had a book like yours, because
I think it's incredibly helpful for people going back into
their workforce after taking time to take care of kids.
(30:15):
And I think a lot of it can be applied.
I think when you talk about networking, that's ultimately how
I got back in to the workforce was using my network.
So let's talk a little bit about that and the
steps that people can take, and let's keep in mind
that it applies to people trying to get back into
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the workforce too.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Yeah, So I think, first of all, I'm networking, right.
People will originally traditionally think of networking like a little
badge on your suit and you're going to an event,
shaking hands, trying to meet random people. And that's not
what we're talking about. What we talked about in the book.
The whole chapter is take the work out of networking.
If you hear the word networking and you cringe a
little bit, this chapter is for you. The whole idea
about this is it takes one introduction, it takes one message,
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It takes one conversation to change the whole trajectory of
your entire life. And there's such simple things you could
do right now, like, for example, LinkedIn is the most
powerful job recruiting site in the world. Forty million people
a week are finding their jobs through LinkedIn. Forty million
people a week are finding their jobs for LinkedIn. So
make sure when you're on all your other social media sites,
(31:24):
all the people you've connected with through through your life
on Facebook and on Instagram and Twitter, make sure you're
following them on LinkedIn, because in LinkedIn is the place
that they'll respond to a few things. One a question VI,
a DM or two you might look at their network
and see that they're connected with the hiring manager the
place you're looking to go. That's a thought, that's a strategy,
(31:45):
networking has never been easier than it is in twenty
twenty two. If you're rethinking about getting back into the
workforce or what you're doing and why you got to
put into work, a lot of people are just trying
to spray and pray. They're trying to just throw resumes
at a place or just apply to random jobs. You
need to take a couple steps back and really identify
(32:05):
what it is you're looking for in the place of employment,
what would make you happy, where you want to work,
and then also your brand. If I ask you right
now two to three minutes, tell me where you've been,
where you're going, what value bring to me, and where
you want to go. You got to nail that because
first impressions are everything, and interviews and networking and usually decisions,
and these interviews are made in the first three to
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five minutes. So I think reverse engineering. Get your resume together,
get your mission statement and success story together, get your
two to three minute pitch of where you've been, what
you've done, and where you want to go together, then
start to identify twenty companies or areas or industries you'd
be proud to work in. And once you have the foundation,
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you could then build the house, but people just want
to build the house without having any sort of foundation.
I think that's really where you got to start.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
In the book, you talk about starting with companies. You
know that if you're going on a job interview and
you're researching the company, you might be on the wrong track.
You should be going after products and companies that you know,
which I think is really great advice because then it's
a natural fit. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Like the perfect example I could think about, Heather is like,
if someone comes to me, like, Hey, what question should
I ask on this interview? My response would be with them, like,
what's your favorite sports team or hobby or thing that
you do in the world. So for me, it's the
Buffalo Bills. If someone said to me, you can talk
to the Buffalo Bills right now, what questions did you have?
I could ask them a thousand? Right, because I'm interested.
(33:35):
I know, I'm active. You should feel that way about
the companies you're applying for, right you're really interested in
what they're doing. The question should come naturally. So if
you get to the stage where you're asking yourself, what
should I ask this company in the interview? When I'm
going it's probably that you didn't do enough due diligence
about that company in the first hand, and know what's
a good fit for what you're trying to achieve. Right.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
For example, I really wanted to work for the Dodgers
when I was younger, and but but they also you know,
you also have to look at compensation too, right, So
you have to weigh you have to weigh what how
much you enjoy working there, and then what the compensation is.
And there's there's a lot of moving parts. But ultimately,
(34:17):
I think a lot of what you're saying is that
you really have to look inside yourself and really have
like a heart to heart with yourself about what you
want and what you need to be happy and fulfilled
and work. And I want you to tell the story
because I think this is such a good networking story
and how people can really apply when we're talking about
(34:38):
networking without the work is when you search kind of
searching through social media to see who knows who in
what companies and how you use that to actually get
a job. I think that's a real tactic, tactical thing
that people can take away one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
So I think one thing real quick, I want to
jump on is. I totally agree with you. You got
to get you have to have the right compident. But
also there's so many things underneath that that we could
talk through, like how could you decrease your expenses so
you're actually in a place of it you know that
you really enjoy a place of work, you really enjoy
and when you do enjoy it, how fast are you're
accelerating as opposed to the place you're unhappy. I think
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you could start off A takeaway is just pay attention
right now to the things you naturally gravitate towards. Is
it brands, is it places you shop? Is its online?
Places you go, sports teams you like? Behind that, it's
a massive industry. Behind that industry, there's a ton of
money to be made. So I think the money will come.
And the question I would say is are you willing
(35:36):
to go without X, Y and Z. Are you willing
to cut this expense or this nice to have you have?
If you're in a position or a place that you
love working and you know you're going to drive, I
think it's worth thinking about. With the networking piece, one
of the things we talked about in the book is
there's this there's an application that I talk about how
you can download it, and how we were able to
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get email addresses for people on LinkedIn, and really just
thinking about the people we wanted to connect with and
being able to pull their email address, which it's in
the book how to Do It, and shooting them a
really nice introductor email of who I am and what
I was trying to achieve and if they would take
a fifteen minute meeting. Another thing too that you could
do that I used to do as a banker is
(36:20):
I would follow all the bankers in town and people
be like, why are you following all the bankers on LinkedIn? Well,
and following the bankers on LinkedIn is it gives me
more information. If one of the bankers were to leave
the job or go to another bank, I now immediately
have a notification that they left their role. What can
I then do? I could see the companies they follow,
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and it's oftentimes that they're following and interacting with companies
that are their clients. I now can call on those
clients and say, hey, has there been any turnover within
your bank. I've been at my bank for five years.
I'd love the opportunity to meet with you and The
takeaway from that is LinkedIn and social media gives you
information and you could do a few things. You could
use that information for your game like I did in
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business development, or you can use that information to say, Heather,
I know you're connected with Anne. I've seen you guys
are really good friends. This is what I would love
to talk to Anne about. I'm just to need five
ten minutes of her time. Is there any way you
could just make a brief introduction to me to her? Right? So,
I think using the network and the network of people
is massive for making those introductions.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
And people have done that, by the way, and it's worked.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
There. You go, yeah, And I think you want to
be tactful, right, I'm not asking like, I'm not asking
you to put your you know, head on the line
or not going to aligne for something that is inappropriate
or high risk or anything that would cause and frustration.
You've got to be very tactful with what you're asking, right.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
You want to offer something too? You want to Yeah,
you've got to offer value of some sort if you
you know, if you're if you can right on what else?
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Well, I think a big thing we should talk about
how there is negotiation right, So I don't want to
put that out there because right now you've got inflation
at eight point six percent. We haven't seen inflation this
high and forty years and so a year ago today,
take your bank account and multiply at times point zero
eighty six, and that's how much your bank account is
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worth less by now take your salary, right, if you're
making one hundred k last year, one hundred k today
is worth a lot less twelve months inflation eight point
six percent less. So the importance of getting raises has
never been more meaningful because the value of our dollar
has gone down. And so in a whole career, according
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to Payscale and someone's whole career on the research they've done,
only thirty seven percent of individuals ask for a raise,
not on an annual basis, in their whole career. And
the importance of positioning yourself and making sure you're getting
paid for the value add has never been more critical.
And there's a whole pay a whole chapter. I'm making
sure you're getting paid for the work and value you
(39:05):
bring to the table. And people struggle with those conversations,
and they struggle with the prep behind it, and in
the book. It breaks down exactly how to do it.
But essentially, what you have to do is not tell
your employer you know what exactly you need the money for.
You have to explain to them why you've earned the
money and the value you'll be bringing moving forward. So
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negotiate and negotiate for what you pay and what you.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Are and applying that to freelancers because I always find
it a difficult thing. You know, I work on retainer
mostly and I realize, okay, everything costs more and I'm
keeping my retainers the same. So you almost have to
figure out how to negotiate with yourself to justify starting
(39:53):
to charge more, which is a tricky bit of business.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
I would suggest this freelancers right now, go you go
increase your prices this second by ten to twenty percent.
Ten to twenty percent. Go increase your prices, have an
explanation to your clients as to why, and make sure
that explanation is very tight. And you're going to learn
a lot about yourself, because if people are willing to
leave you for a ten twenty percent increase of warning
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an inflationary environment about eight point six percent, you are
learning a lot about the value you're adding them, and
you're going to get one to two things of information back.
One you need to steck your game up, or two,
you're more valuable than you think you are.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
And are you saying to justify that increase not through
inflation but through the value you bring?
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Exactly? I think that's exactly. I think you have to
be very tactful with what your explanation would be to.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Say, gas prices are high, your retainer just went up.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
In general, this is what I've been able to do
for you since we've brought you on board. This is
my plan moving forward, given the model of my business
and the plan I want to achieve for your growth
and my growth, it is requiring me to increase my
prices by ten percent. If you have any type of
issues with this or want an outline of like what
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exactly value on bringing, I'm happy to do it. Please
continue to just keep open conversation with me as I'm
growing my business to grow you, right, And so, I
think those are the type of things that needed to
happen and should happen because more often than not, freelancers
are underpricing themselves.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
And finally, what about resumes? Do we still need resumes?
Because let me tell you, that's the thing that has
always stopped me. I remember when I first tried to
go back to work, my resume was on something called
a floppy disk and that had gone out of out
of you know, print out of you know that there
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was no computers to print it off. So remember people like,
are you going back to work? And I'm like, I can't.
Everything I've ever done is on this floppy disk. I
don't know how to retrieve it.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
I constantly, I'm constantly looking at resumes, Heather, you are, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
What are you looking at resumes for? Right?
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Different different producers are audio engineers or sales people?
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Are they still old school? Like with with with their
college and then their.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
List of child I really care about the college. I
mostly care about the experience.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Yeah, I was just going to ask you what do
you look for when you're looking at those resumes?
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Yeah, experience? And then I usually have some specific questions.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Like what do you ask?
Speaker 3 (42:28):
What do you ask?
Speaker 5 (42:30):
But it really depends on what on what it is
I'm looking for. But I mean it could, I mean,
I just I want to know if they have experience
within podcasting, and then if they do, I want to
know what programs they're using, and then if they're if
it's a salesperson, I have specific programs for that too,
So I'm curious if what they know about that or
like a whole CRM platform or any you know, a
variety of things.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
How many people have you hired through networking?
Speaker 6 (42:53):
Through?
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Like I know somebody I know? Uh is recommended?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Like uh maybe five or so? Mostly not good?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Oh see, I would if i'm if someone is an
introductory right, or it's even someone because I hire on
LinkedIn jobs all the time, I will one hundred percent
require someone to send me their resume because I want
to see their social media and I want to see
their resume because I think the resume is a depict
It gives me an insight into them a little bit,
(43:24):
So tell me more.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
Right, I think resume suck. No one wants to write them,
no one wants to update them, No one really knows how.
But the thing is is there's enough information to do it.
You can get resources online that will help you build
your resume. And for me, it shows me like how
detail orients with this person? How creative are they with
their resume and the delivery To Ryan's point, have they
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outlined the skills that they have, they have and they
can execute right? How do they write? I think there's
so much you could do with that. I also think
on your social media that is an online resume, whether
you know it or not, that is your brand and
have you thought about your brand? And does your brand
align with who you are?
Speaker 4 (44:05):
And so yeah, LinkedIn is a resume.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Yeah, I mean it is a resume. And the big
thing I tell everyone, and I explained in the book
how to do it, is own your URL. I don't
care what you do. Own your url. So put your
name on go daddy, put some form of your name
on there, and have a brief portfolio of who you are,
what you've done. And it gives someone such a leg
up if they have a website, and I can go
(44:29):
to your website and see the work you've done and
who you are and how to contact you. It doesn't
matter if you're a doctor or a nurse, a business
development officer, a podcast or pr. For a very affordable price,
you can buy your URL twenty bucks, and for a
very affordable price, you can freelance someone you know two
hundred to six hundred bucks and you can save that
(44:50):
money up. I know that's not cheap, but you can
do it, and you'll have a website forever that'll show
what you've done and how you've done it the way
you want to present it, not the way someone else
can interpret it.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Have you known I did write a resume in a
panic during COVID because I did restaurant pr So I
have my I have my COVID panic resume somewhere if
I have to take any times.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
You know, we should do a follow up. You should
send me the resume and I'm gonna I'm gonna grade you.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
God, it's okay, it's half asked. I will, It's totally.
It's a It's like there, it's done. You know, well, Jason,
this has been great. Before you go, do you have?
Jason also hosts a fantastic podcast, Trading Secrets. Tell us
about some of your recent guests and if we can
and and what's the what's the best trading secret you've
got for us of late?
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Oh my gosh, well, so I just had Trading Secrets.
The whole premise is we we are just getting into
the transparency of where money's made, how it's made, and
what people make in certain industries. The last podcast I
had was very timely. It was with pilot Pete, who
is the former Bachelor and the Bache are at just Premiere,
(46:01):
and he is a pilot. He's currently a pilot with
United Airlines, and I've had so many issues in airports,
and so you get to hear all the different travel
tips and tricks and also insight as to why these
planes are being delayed, canceled, what the maintenance means. You
know how much these people are paid. And I was
(46:22):
blown away at the fact that, like some pilots will
start at like thirty five dollars an hour, which I
thought was pretty low. Yeah, and they'll they'll only get
contracted so much. There are pilots out there that make
fifty grand, forty forty five grand a year. And my
take was like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Want that guy flying the plane.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
I don't think I want my pilot making forty thousand dollars.
Like I mean, it's just like it's wild to hear
about the industry and how they work. Like if someone
starts at the class that United, right, and there's like
a hodgepodge of twenty different pilots that are starting through
their training and certification immediately. The person who will have
the highest seniority isn't based on experience, It's based on age.
(47:07):
Another interesting thing is that at sixty five you no
longer can fly anymore. So it's this wild just predicament
of so many things, so many things. But I'll say
one of the best chraining secrets I ever got, you know,
two one quick one, I'll tell too one Molly Bloom
from Molly's Game. It's a great episode and essentially what
(47:30):
she does is she was an Olympic skier, broke her back,
becomes an underground poker host. She's hosting the biggest poker games.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
They made a movie of that, right, Yeah, they made a.
Speaker 6 (47:39):
Movie and it called Molly's Game. You know, Toby Maguire,
Leonardo DiCaprio, Jack Black, biggest politicians, billionaires are playing in it.
You can't walk into the Gamehle's got two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars in cash on the table. And so
she ends up getting busted by the FBI, and she
tells a story about she's at this billionaire's hedge fun
(47:59):
part and there's this big argument about who makes what,
and there's a big response that has everyone silent and
they're like, yeah, but the difference between him and me
is that I have enough and he never will. And
she looked at her life saying I never had enough.
I was always trying to chase, you know, my other
family members who are doing better, more power, more prestige,
(48:22):
and as a result of that, she got greedy, and
that greed is what led her on her face with
FBI breaking down her door. And what she says is
if you don't define what enough is for you, you
two may be chasing what you think is enough or
what you haven't identifies enough, and it could leave you
in a really dark place. One quick one from a
Rod two was a Rod said he's had awful experiences
(48:44):
and unbelievable experiences, but the one thing is he's experienced
in his life when most humans experience in like ten lifetimes,
and he attributes that to having zero fear of failure.
He goes, I don't care what people think, I don't
care what they do. I step into it. I do it.
At twenty two, I bought my first apartment building at
twenty three. I did this. And he's, yes, he has
(49:07):
access to monopoly dollars. What he says, but he's not
afraid of failure. And as a result of that, he says,
I have failed so many times. I have had the
most cringeworthy interviews. I've had the most embarrassing moments of
my life. But I've had those because I'm just me
and I go all in all the time. And as
a result of that, I've lived the experiences and every
(49:28):
time He's like, every time I make a move, I
get more information and then I get in a better place.
And essentially, his lack of fear of failure has allowed
him to accelerate every aspect of his life in so
many different directions.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
And that really relates to what we talked about today,
because it really is restarting your career is a leap
of faith. It's scary. It's scary for a lot of
people to go outside of something that feels secure, even
if they hate it. You've got to be fearless to restart.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
In a lot of ways, you got to be fearless.
And the one the second chapter I talk about is
called breaking the blueprint. You got to be a willing
to break the blueprint you're currently on and that takes
a lot. But once you do, I think it's a
huge launch pad to success.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
We can't let you leave without giving us a little
update on the wedding plans. What's what's the skill?
Speaker 6 (50:20):
Okay? So, okay, Kaitlyn is Caylen right now is in
We're just together in New York City. We took her
family out. She's back in Nashville and we have an
absolute crazy back to back summer. I mean we are.
If I named everything that we have going on, it
would be you'd get nausey and thinking about all the
(50:41):
traveling we're doing. So at this point, we don't have
any updates as far as when when the date actually is,
so we're still working on setting that date and once
we do, we'll be telling Heather and that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Well, thanks so much for coming by. As always, you
give us such great advice and we so appreciate getting
better with Jason Tarctic awesome.
Speaker 6 (51:07):
Thank you guys so much for having me. We miss Jane.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
We're better to.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Gain with that. And I'm never I you know, Jason,
I'm gonna find miss you right now.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I'm never going to miss another interview. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Heather and and and Ryan for for being here for
me when I'm not, but I do want to. It's
everything that we line up with Better Together in paying
attention to what it is that is serving the joy
in yourself and that being the thing that propels your destiny.
(51:41):
But we have to and we were learning about it
through all of these experts that we have on we're
lucky enough to have on that. It takes a consideration
of yourself. It takes a moment to go away, what
am I feeling? Am I worth it? Do I matter?
And can I change my active participation in what it
is that I'm doing and spending the majority of my
(52:03):
time doing, and is my joy worth it?
Speaker 4 (52:06):
That's right on, sister, Right on, sister.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
All right, I hope you guys enjoyed the show, and
we're gonna have Jason back for sure. We'll have Jason Backenhall,
and I'll ask him to clarity on that story about
sex with the clothes on.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Thanks for making us better, Jason.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
And a big, big thanks to our Better Together team,
Ryan Tillotson, Silvana Alcohola, Daniel Ferrera, and of course and
in Heather.
Speaker 6 (52:34):
If you haven't already, please subscribe on whatever device or
platform you're listening to this on and as always, see
you next week.
Strah Media.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome, better to get a Dan and Heather, except last
week it was it was better to get.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Now what's now?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
It's happening. Now they're listening.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I know you recorded with Jason last week when I
went to Boston.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I know I did it all by myself and you did.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
All by yourself. How did you feel like a big girl?
Did you put on your big girl pants?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I did, and I was like, oh, you know, I'm
going to just be able to run this thing and
I just don't. And then I like sat in the
seat and I'm like, I think I'm nervous.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Did you did you get nervous?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
We tried to get me to sit there?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No, I told her, I said, why didn't like listen,
this is going to happen sometimes.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
When you know that ship Ryan and he's like, no,
that would be weird, and I'm like, ship, I'm right fine.
I was like, you know, ready to let I was
ready to steal the show. But apparently I'm not really
ambitious like that. So so you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Didn't kiss his ass like I do? Or what does
that mean?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Just like the kisses ass? He's adorable, I mean, and
he was.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I hated to miss Jason, not like a wife or
girlfriend or or or mistress or anything like that. I'm
just saying I missed seeing you.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I didn't like breaking the news day that you weren't
going to be there, because everybody, you know, wants to try.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
He wept.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
He he quietly wept. Yes. But but he's the sweetest,
just smartest, just he's like, I hate it, this is
he's too good.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I know.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
It's like, you know, I kind of want like if
Henry grew up to be him, I would be so happy.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Like I really know.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Trying to force that on Homer. I'm like, listen, you
want to be finance guy. You want to be Jason Tartic.
First of all, he was a you know, he's a bachelor.
The dude has more money coming his way. And I'm
going to why, wait, why you have to explain everybody
who's listening this bachelor.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
This is why.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, go ahead, She's opening a bottle of shampi.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
By the way, some people don't know that Jason Tarctic
was a bachelor exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I just reminded him. I actually didn't watch.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
It, but.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I see your new books.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I didn't have the heart to see him get apparently
he got dumped in Thailand or something.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Oh wow, I'm sure he just enough o that, like
they do cry in the car on the way home.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Oh hello, written, But the reason I'm pouring champagne is
a because I like to drink it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, good Ryan, come on in here, blah blah byah,
and we're doing we are doing something special here. But
show your cute face even if somebody is watching, like.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
YouTube, you can watch us on YouTube.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Tube.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Are really fun and cute and that's why I make
a living.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
And so listen. So I thought this isn't in here, Ryan,
say hi, okay hi. So he did not come in
and sub for me. Like this thing was that when
Jason went to meet his bachelorette, like when they get
out of the car, they.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Go and and Jesus, I don't know, I got excited,
all right.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So when Jason got out of the car and went
to meet his bachelorette, he had a champagne glass or
a wine glass with a bottle of wine and etched
in the wine last with his family's toast.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Wait a minute, the bachel learned to dump dumped him?
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yes, and so.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Zia, you would appreciate this. Yes, his family toast is
my family toast. It's Kiki's Keiky's family toast.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So our listeners might hear say Kiki a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Okay, so listen. So instead of saying God, I say Kiki.
And I know everybody anybody has listened knows this. So
this is to Keiki, this is to this is Heathern's grandfather,
who's very much a part of our lives every day.
So what did he say?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
He said.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
To happiness and wealth and all the time in which
to enjoy it in I love that because see, all
the time covers the fact that you're not going to die.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
And got it? Cheers?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Did you get that? Guys?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, she said it in private, even though we're being filmed.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So the episode that you're about to hear is just
little me. But Anne's gonna come back in the end.
So don't tune away because.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
If all this time not a little you from what
I hear, we're mentioned Jason's book, which makes us what.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yes, I was listening to the book on my way
back from San Francisco, and he mentioned all the people in.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
His book called called you guys just only had a
sip of champagne I swear to god she didn't ride drunk.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
She really didn't. I mean I didn't think so Restart
road map.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
There you go, there you go, just some cup flies
off the tongue. Restart road Map with Jason Tartic and
Heather Duffy as the commentator.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So I listened to the book because I do listen
now more than I read.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
They know everybody says they read books. Bullshit, they'd listen
in their car.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah. Well, so I listened to it on the way
back from San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
What a good way to do.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
It's like driving.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
He was talking about all the you know, famous people
he's had on Trading Secrets because that's the number one. Well, no,
it was anne H. And then he said pan H
and Heather Duffy.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, well, because we do a podcast together.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I know, but I thought it was sweet. He could
have just said anne H.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, which would and absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And listen, I do claim fame before you die. I
mean I know that you're now the diva Jesus. I
can't even get her out of the bathroom. She looks
so pretty all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
So listen. So this was a good one for you
not to be out and let me tell you why. Okay,
because this is a lot about people who have suffered
through shitty corporate jobs.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Pause period, Hold on, now you've had shitty jobs? No, no, no, no, no,
just one second.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I have to give a shot up because I went
to do a movie with joe I swear to God,
my glasses jumping.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I went to do a movie with Joey Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And I just have to say for talking about what
not having shitty having shitty jobs.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I mean, this is why you shouldn't have been on
the show. I Joey Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
First of all, he's been working his tail off since
I think before he could talk.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I mean, I swear to God this game. And he's adorable,
and he's so adorable. He is beautiful. He's a grown up. Yes,
he has a grown up and his.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Brother and his brother and his wife and and I
just have two his new wine. It's a wrong com.
I wrote, it's a rom com. They wrote it together.
I don't play either one of their mothers. But I
just had a blast.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And I want to say to.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
People who I mean, people will me we go through
our careers. When you have sustained a career for forty years.
He says thirty, I'm at forty years of sustaining a
career in the arts. And he and I laughed over
many many things. But kids, good shit, they're like, you
don't have a real job now. He supported his family
(06:34):
and his children, and I feel that sometimes.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
To like, yeah, well, you're an actress, as if it's
not a real job.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And I am saying that getting into what you talked
about with Jason, because there are You're right.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I do not have a corporate job. I work my
ass off.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
What people don't understand. I get up in the morning,
four o'clock in the morning and go to set work
seventeen hours a day. I train my body every single
day to be available for whatever it is I have
to do, like Hi, dancing with the Stars. You never
know what's going be put in front of you. It's
very different life, and people don't understand it. We don't
talk about it very much. But it was really fun
to share off with Joey Lawrence, who like is so successful,
(07:10):
has worked his tail off since the time he was teething,
and and and we were so unappreciated, like, oh yeah,
that job that has supported everybody in our lives, But yeah,
it's that one. So so anyway, cheers to you, you
gorgeous couple, and thank you for having me on your movie.
And and that's this takes us Jason.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So let's let's talk about the book.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Is to get to a place where you feel like
your job, you feel about your job like you just
talked about with like such excitement and enthusiastic rights as
opposed to what.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Are we talking about? What does Jason talk about in
the Cort world?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I mean, just a feeling of being trapped and that
how how he of course he's a numbers guy, right,
so he ran the numbers of how much time he
was able to be himself. It was like on a Saturday, right,
Because isn't that also occurred to me is that we
always talk about how women, you know, have to wear
high heels and all that stuff. Wearing a business suit
(08:07):
must be the most uncomfortable. Just can you imagine having
to wear a business suit every day? Well?
Speaker 6 (08:13):
I do.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I look around, but of course we live downtown somewhere
near the courthouses and everything. And if I've ever driving
around your walking downtown and I see all the I do,
I love sometimes like wow, how many.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Blue suits get sold each year?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Like the waste style is defined in businessmen is is
it blue or is it gray? Well, now it's a
little more but still, I mean maybe the lining is
a little bit different to ties. But your expression is
like do you wear a you know, a pocket square?
It's like pocket square? Wow, you're really dapper, you know
what I mean. It's like But the idea that Jason's
talking about it how much how much time do you
(08:49):
get to be yourself?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Which is a good question to ask yourself, no matter
what it is that you're doing.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, And then we talked a little bit about, you know,
because his book is basically for if you're in a
job you how do you get out of it? Why
do you restart that? And then I brought up, you know,
the fact that a lot of women after raising kids
or men, after you take that time off after raising kids, how.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Do you get back you get back into this because
there's a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Of us that are going through that now, a lot
of my friends at the age that we're not everybody
has a podcast partner, that's right, Van, So so yes,
we talked about we talked about how I couldn't get
back into the workforce because my resume was on a
floppy disk, just a technology had changed. So how was
I going to ever print that resume? Where was I
going to find a device to print out that?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I don't know? I say people could do that a
little bit easier. I mean, I wonder you didn't get
a job.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But here's don't even that what a floppy disk is
because you didn't have an office. No, I'm not floppy,
But here's the thing or saggy, just deaf. Yi, I
want to know what I want to.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
But I'm realizing that Jason probably didn't know what a
floppy disk is. Do you know what a floppy disk is? Okay?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I mean he's I mean, of course, I mean it's
he's Ruyn, he's our producer. He knows what a floppy
disk is. I mean, my god, he's not twenty. He
is almost twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But okay, I want to say, so, so what is
the how do you take that leap? I mean, it's
one thing to say you're Jason Tarctic. Okay, oh my god,
you were a bachelor all my all, my was this
before his bachelor days? He I think I remember him
saying he did that before the Bachelor days and when
the Bachelor came along, which not everybody gets that offer. Well,
when the Bachelor came along, he's like, screw it up.
(10:23):
I'm I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Well, that is a risk.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I was very proud of my tease that I did
in the actual episode. But I guess I'll do it here.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Okay, do it? What if we find out.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Why Jason leaves his bank? Ultimately?
Speaker 7 (10:37):
And it was after the Bachelor, Oh, it was after
the Bachelor. It was are you gonna tease me?
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Like?
Speaker 7 (10:43):
I mean, I'm be sitting here on the edge of
my all my kitchen seat. I mean, I'll tell you
this much what it had to do with sex?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh boy, I really am sorry that I missed this.
So yes, I want to know sex with his clothes on? No,
I would prefer the other way.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But whatever, that's not as much of a team fired.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You got, you got?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
He got fired for having sex with his clothes on?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, well, I mean no, she just blew it.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Like the whole thing about Heather is hilarious, Like she's
gonna I'm gona teach you.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I'm gonna teach you know what. I'm just gonna tell you.
He got he got fired for having.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Sex with Isn't that confusing?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Isn't that making's confusing?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I imagine it's with his boss and it was in
her office, But listen, that's not what it was.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Clinton and Monicolewinsky did it too. Let's listen to take
that out. Let's let's leave it with you can She
just doesn't stop. I mean, I'm telling you, did I
say she was a diva? She's a diva? How is
that making me a diva? Because she just want now
we're messy? No, it's already. Listen, everybody like, cut, get out.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
God.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
This is Jason's Tartic episode starring Heather Duffy.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
That's true. We're better than get listen and welcome back
to Better Together. Jason Tartik. We're so happy to see
you again.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
It is so good to be back. I was wondering.
I'm like, what happened Better Together? I need to get
back on and he told me about your little hiatus
and everything you guys have going. So it is so
good to be here. How are you doing, Heather?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
We're great, I keep saying we but Ann isn't with
us today, but tow me back. She's filming a movie.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
And this is the first show you're doing by yourself.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Right it is. I don't know. I keep saying we
because we're like we're like one unit, so all by myself,
but I've still got Ryan here with me. But it's
so great to see you, and you've been so busy
with so much for people who are new to us
this season. Last season, Jason came on and was our
(12:46):
money guy. He took us through all sorts of ways
to save money, to invest our money, all sorts of
money tips. And since then, you've written a book that
is all about careers and the career shift, which is
actually very timely with what has happened with COVID and
(13:08):
the great resignation. So do you want to talk a
little bit about your book, which I read and absolutely loved.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah, thank you so much so. The books called The
Restart road Map. I came out in April and we
did a book tour, which was great. We did eight cities,
eight stops in eight days. It was absolutely madness, but
it went really well and the book was received well.
It hit four bestseller lists and was the number one
on Wall Street Journal New Release, which is exciting and
(13:35):
the whole book is about rethinking and resetting your career
to the expectations and kind of the vision that you've
always imagined as opposed to the maybe reality of how
life has led you down. And so what I tell
people is, through my ten years in corporate banking, I
got to sit in some of what Forbes called the
(13:56):
most powerful executives in banking. And then through my time
in this whole media entertainment space, I've got to see
some of the best of the best behind the camera
and in front of the camera, and all these little
trading secrets about positioning and branding and negotiating and redeploying
your energy. I've got to see some of the best do.
And that's what this book's about. It's an eight step
(14:17):
roadmap to make the smallest adjustment to your career or
like the most material shift.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
We'll tell your story though, tell your story about being
in banking and what kind of led you to leave banking.
I mean, I know it was dry humping, but.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
We'll get to that in a minute.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
People are like, what in the world is she talking about?
Say now, you can't now, you can't tune it out.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Okay, you're locked in now, Well, so My whole story
is I was a banker for ten years and that
was pretty much the yes man. You tell me what
to what to say, how to say it, where to go,
I'm going. I moved four or five times with the bank.
The biggest move I made was from New York to
Seattle because management said it's a great opportunity and they
put big bucks in front of me, and I was there.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And that's one of the things you talk about in
the book is that if you're willing to relocate, you
can make more money and you can also get a
higher title.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Right, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Mean one of the big things you have to do
is identify which of the core career pillars you're trying
to seek and chase. I was trying to really seek
at this time the compensation pillar. And when you want
to get compensated and promoted and accelerated in large corporate America,
one of the easiest ways to do it is to
be mobile, to be willing to relocate, to take opportunity
(15:43):
inside the headquarters outside the headquarters. All things I did.
But what the problem is that your only career core pillar,
you might find yourself losing yourself. And that's what I found.
I found myself living my title and my identity through
the bank, the title they gave me and what they
asked me to do. I got back from work in
(16:03):
Seattle one day and I literally had no one. I
didn't have a family member within three thousand miles. I
didn't have any friends there because I had just moved there,
and I was just like literally a puppet on the
corporate string. And I remember this also led to a
lot of like severe anxiety, Like I was starting to
have massive anxiety attacks and panic disorders and seeing psychologists
(16:25):
and psychiatrists and getting prescribed xanax and beta blockers to
treat those situational things. And what happened was when I
really dug to the root of it, it was because
I could totally lost any sort of identity meet I
lost who I was, and I was trying to be
everything to everyone as opposed to just being me. And
then I got asked to go on the reality show
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The Bachelorette, And you can imagine managing reality TV and
corporate America isn't always the easiest area to navigate. And
after getting off the show, I worked for about a
year when I was really at the tail end of
about leaving my corporate job, which I had planned, but
to the dry hump story. What happened was Caitlin, my fiance,
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and her podcast Off the Vine. She has a confession
she always tells and her guests always have to tell.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
It's a great podcast about women empowerment and really being.
It's very similar to what we're about, which is, you know,
being through honesty, we empower each other and make each
other feel more together right on.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
It's like, you know, education, inspiration, a comedy, all the
things that you guys do through the fact that, like,
she'll have people on that her listeners look up to.
And the reason behind the confession is like, even these
people that you idolize or watch on TV or read
their book or whatever it is, they still have the
most like cringe embarrassing moments too. We're all humans, doesn't
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matter who what the hell you're doing. And so that's
her idea with the confession. So she tells a story
that the first time we ever hooked up, she we're
dry humping and she has an orgasm and she's weird
in a live show and she's like, and that's how
we knew who's my guy? And you know, she's being funny,
she's been relatable, and so that story got picked up
(18:10):
in all the headlines, and as a result of that,
the bank pretty much put me in the predicament, go
restart your career outside the bank, but if you stay
with the bank, we'll allow it. But nothing outside. No
more podcasts, no more social media. Literally can't do anything
without our approval. And as a result of that, I
ended up leaving the bank restarting a few businesses that
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I've started, and that's why I thought the Restart Roadmap
was the perfect title.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Does the bank feel I wonder how they feel about
it now, seeing how successful you've become, if they feel
like they were assholes, are wrong, or do you have
any contact with them, or if they contacted you. I'm
just curious, you know.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Yes, no one's actually ever asked me that. And what's
interesting is a lot of the people I was like
really close with, the people that like were my friends,
not like colleagues, were still pretty close and they're all
super jazzed up, excited and want to hear more about
what I'm doing. Funny enough, my boss, my boss's boss,
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my boss's boss's boss, and the president at the time,
all four of those positions. None of those people are
still with the bank. Interesting, so the people that like
had you know, an impact on really what the result
of that was. Yeah, they're they're no longer with the
big They too may have got fired, probably not for
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dry humping.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
But that's all right. Let's back up a little bit,
because I know and our listeners know that you're a
numbers guy, and you ran the numbers of how much
when you were working at the bank, of how much
time you actually spent kind of being able to be yourself.
And I think that this is something that a lot
of our listeners can relate to, and it something I
can relate to as somebody who was always hated an
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office job. Hated it felt like felt this just like
Paul come over me when I walked into the office.
I remember my first office job in college at a
law firm, just thinking this is I remember driving there
and seeing guys on the side of the road selling
rugs and thinking how lucky they were that they could
like be on the side of the road selling rugs
and I had to go into this office And then
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cut to getting my first job out of college that
I hated. So when you talk in your book about
the Sunday scaries, which is you know that Sunday when
it's after like five o'clock, when you know, like, oh,
now it's just a regular work day, and I got
to go back to that place tomorrow. I remember I
would drive on the ten Freeway because this place was
in Santa Monica for local people, that'll make sense. But
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there was a mural on the side of the freeway
that they were painting, and I said, by the time
they finished painting that mural, I'm going to quit this job.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
And I like that did you do it?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Jason? That mural was peeling and faded? And by the
time I quit that job because I didn't know how
to do it and I wanted to, but but it
was you know, at that time, I was like my
first job out of college, so I hadn't built up
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experience yet, and it was a different time. We didn't
have the options of freelance that fit we have now.
It was very you were very locked into you know,
what we call a real job. I remember, you know,
living in Hollywood and all my friends. The only people
who didn't have real jobs were people who worked in
Hollywood and they would would be out for drinks and
(21:34):
everybody would be like, are you working tomorrow? And like
I get furious because like, yes, I'm working tomorrow. I
work every day. I work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
you know, And they would everybody would just be like,
you know, asking that around, and it would drive me
nuts because no, I'm going into that place.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
And it is funny though, even when I spent a
little time in La I was like, does any buddy
work here? So I could I could see why if
you were at that courtride and you see kind of
like the lifestyle of people in entertainment and arts is
totally different. You're probably just driving yourself nuts. And I
think you made a lot of good points there. Like,
you know, it's never been easier to make a shift
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than now. There's never been more opportunity to do what
you want to do, literally from the desk you're sitting
at today, and so there's just so many options out
there to the numbers. Thing. One thing I talked about
is I started to find myself on Sunday. I was
getting like severe anxiety leading up to the week. Right
the whole week, I felt like what I call is
like my career jail, Like I have to go lock myself,
(22:37):
go report to career jail, and do what I had
to do to continue to exceed the expectations and be
the banker Jason. And then finally I get out Friday afternoon,
head right to the bar and take down a couple
shots because I just got released. And then what I
felt like Saturday was like the one day I could
be made, the one day I could talk the way
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I wanted to talk and act. I want to act
and be with people and friends that were truly friends,
not because I was like networking, as I had to
show that I was like establishing myself with the right
people in the community. I could just be me. And
I started to do the math, and I'm like, wait
a second, If I can only be me one out
of seven days a week, that's fourteen percent of my year,
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my week. You talk about like your livelihood, you know,
on average, if the United States were living until like
it's like mid seventies, I'm living literally like eleven years
of myself. If I'm literally just feeling like me, truly me,
one day a week. And I was just like, that's
just not a good equation. It's not a bad equation.
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I think the message there and the takeaway is if
you're feeling stuck, if you're feeling like you're not making
an impact or passionless, or you're not creating a legacy
or doing something that drives you in any way, there's
so many options out there to do something different. You
just have to readjust and restart what you're doing today.
And anyone can do it. And I know people will say, oh,
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that person, they got this break or that break, or
this is what happened. But there's so much tact and
strategy that can go into really starting to write your
own path as opposed to being led for you. And
the last thing I'll say before I pause is if
you do not take proactive action, the system and the
structure a lot of big corporate just the structure in
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America in general, it is shaped for you to be led.
So if you don't take lead over what you want,
you will be led. And the question is do you
want to be led in the direction that this structure
and what I call the blueprint will lead you, or
do you want to take control and make the most
out of the years you do have that you're contributing
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to your professional legacy, work and impact.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I think those are just such great points for people
to hear because I think there's so many people that
are stuck in careers or in jobs that they don't love,
and it's real important to kind of evaluate and think
about what it is that you want to do. And
(25:07):
you know, I do. I do public relations, and what
I do a lot of times with new clients is
we sit down and we do a strategic planning session
and we map out a mission statement, a vision statement values.
You know, the mission statement is kind of who you
are and uh and why you are, and the vision
is where you want to be. And the mission statement,
(25:29):
if done right, is going to get you there right.
And I think that people can do that personally as well.
I think that like in this, I think that that
could be weaved into the restart is that really sit
down and write your own personal mission statement about what
you want in your career, in your in your life.
(25:50):
And and I think that that's something that can be
applied because I think you really and you talk about
like where you want to live and the and evaluate
all of those things, and you talked about in the book,
the difference in living expenses from Nashville to I think
you were comparing it to New York or soever one
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of the big cities. Can you talk a little bit
about that.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, absolutely so. I think one of the big things
is you now that you call it your mission statement,
I'm calling it like to define exactly what success means
to you. Your definition should be a lot different than mine. Yes,
and then finding a career that's applicable. But there's think
about this right now where you live. You're listening to this,
Just give me a score. What does your city do
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for you financially? What does it do for you professionally?
And what does it do for you personally? Personally is
like how happy is it? You have the best of friends,
there's family close, Like what does that city bring to
your personal life? Professionally, what does that city the demographics,
the makeup contribute to the area of work you're in
or want to be in. And then financially like the
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cost of living adjustment. And I put some scenarios in
the book of You Know. If I made you Know
fifty five k let's say in Nashville that I would
have to make about one hundred and sixty five k
in San Francisco or New York. Right. So the whole
idea is really thinking about how all these scores personally, professionally,
financially contribute to where you live and what the city's
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doing back for you. And so for me, I was
in Seattle. Right, it was super expensive, big tech city
banking was not even on the map of Seattle as
far as like top cities to be in for banking.
And personally, I had no one located within three thousand
miles for me that were family or friends, and I
was like two thousand miles from headquarters. So yes, I
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got a good deal to go out there, but the
long jeopardy, it did not make sense. The city was
not bringing the value to me that I needed to.
And that's how I knew for sure that Seattle, Washington
was not the place for me. And if you change
the place that you're in, it could have such an
impact on your happiness and your professional acceleration.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And you make the good point to really wagh everything.
Because I live in Los Angeles and I know it's
very expensive, and I think about moving out, but I
never would because I have such you know, a tight
group of friends and family, and I love LA. So
I'm willing to take that hit. And it's a hit,
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you know, but I'm willing to.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Do it totally. And I give the example like my brother,
where I say, Steven, for the money you paid for
your place in New York, we can have a customized
place anything you want, Nashville, Tennessee, and exact, exact response
similar to yours is. But then I live in Nashville, Tennessee,
and I love New York. New York is the best
place in the world and for him, and I think
what you just said is so important. You said, I
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love where I live. I love LA. If you love LA,
if you love where you live, you are in such
a minority of individuals across the United States. If you
could say I'm in a city that I love, I adore,
I love it, I never want to leave, that is
such a small friend of the entire population. And so
once you know that you're there, now it's all about
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bringing the city and your experience in the city in
your professional acceleration to the next level.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
It's unfortunate I can't say that about Kansas, but I
mean the other thing that I want to talk about,
so I just I want people listening, when they're done
(29:32):
listening with this show to have like really clear steps
if they hate their job, if they're unfulfilled. And I
also want to tie in something that is really important
and that comes up for me a lot because I'm
a little bit older than you. Actually I'm a lot
older than you, but is when kids, oftentimes parents will
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take time off to raise their kids, then they have
to go back into the job market, and that's a
huge rece start. I did that and it was really
I wish that I had a book like yours, because
I think it's incredibly helpful for people going back into
their workforce after taking time to take care of kids.
(30:15):
And I think a lot of it can be applied.
I think when you talk about networking, that's ultimately how
I got back in to the workforce was using my network.
So let's talk a little bit about that and the
steps that people can take, and let's keep in mind
that it applies to people trying to get back into
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the workforce too.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
Yeah, So I think, first of all, I'm networking, right.
People will originally traditionally think of networking like a little
badge on your suit and you're going to an event,
shaking hands, trying to meet random people. And that's not
what we're talking about. What we talked about in the book.
The whole chapter is take the work out of networking.
If you hear the word networking and you cringe a
little bit, this chapter is for you. The whole idea
about this is it takes one introduction, it takes one message,
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It takes one conversation to change the whole trajectory of
your entire life. And there's such simple things you could
do right now, like, for example, LinkedIn is the most
powerful job recruiting site in the world. Forty million people
a week are finding their jobs through LinkedIn. Forty million
people a week are finding their jobs for LinkedIn. So
make sure when you're on all your other social media sites,
(31:24):
all the people you've connected with through through your life
on Facebook and on Instagram and Twitter, make sure you're
following them on LinkedIn, because in LinkedIn is the place
that they'll respond to a few things. One a question VI,
a DM or two you might look at their network
and see that they're connected with the hiring manager the
place you're looking to go. That's a thought, that's a strategy,
(31:45):
networking has never been easier than it is in twenty
twenty two. If you're rethinking about getting back into the
workforce or what you're doing and why you got to
put into work, a lot of people are just trying
to spray and pray. They're trying to just throw resumes
at a place or just apply to random jobs. You
need to take a couple steps back and really identify
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what it is you're looking for in the place of employment,
what would make you happy, where you want to work,
and then also your brand. If I ask you right
now two to three minutes, tell me where you've been,
where you're going, what value bring to me, and where
you want to go. You got to nail that because
first impressions are everything, and interviews and networking and usually decisions,
and these interviews are made in the first three to
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five minutes. So I think reverse engineering. Get your resume together,
get your mission statement and success story together, get your
two to three minute pitch of where you've been, what
you've done, and where you want to go together, then
start to identify twenty companies or areas or industries you'd
be proud to work in. And once you have the foundation,
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you could then build the house, but people just want
to build the house without having any sort of foundation.
I think that's really where you got to start.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
In the book, you talk about starting with companies. You
know that if you're going on a job interview and
you're researching the company, you might be on the wrong track.
You should be going after products and companies that you know,
which I think is really great advice because then it's
a natural fit. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Like the perfect example I could think about, Heather is like,
if someone comes to me, like, Hey, what question should
I ask on this interview? My response would be with them, like,
what's your favorite sports team or hobby or thing that
you do in the world. So for me, it's the
Buffalo Bills. If someone said to me, you can talk
to the Buffalo Bills right now, what questions did you have?
I could ask them a thousand? Right, because I'm interested.
(33:35):
I know, I'm active. You should feel that way about
the companies you're applying for, right you're really interested in
what they're doing. The question should come naturally. So if
you get to the stage where you're asking yourself, what
should I ask this company in the interview? When I'm
going it's probably that you didn't do enough due diligence
about that company in the first hand, and know what's
a good fit for what you're trying to achieve. Right.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
For example, I really wanted to work for the Dodgers
when I was younger, and but but they also you know,
you also have to look at compensation too, right, So
you have to weigh you have to weigh what how
much you enjoy working there, and then what the compensation is.
And there's there's a lot of moving parts. But ultimately,
(34:17):
I think a lot of what you're saying is that
you really have to look inside yourself and really have
like a heart to heart with yourself about what you
want and what you need to be happy and fulfilled
and work. And I want you to tell the story
because I think this is such a good networking story
and how people can really apply when we're talking about
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networking without the work is when you search kind of
searching through social media to see who knows who in
what companies and how you use that to actually get
a job. I think that's a real tactic, tactical thing
that people can take away one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
So I think one thing real quick, I want to
jump on is. I totally agree with you. You got
to get you have to have the right compident. But
also there's so many things underneath that that we could
talk through, like how could you decrease your expenses so
you're actually in a place of it you know that
you really enjoy a place of work, you really enjoy
and when you do enjoy it, how fast are you're
accelerating as opposed to the place you're unhappy. I think
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you could start off A takeaway is just pay attention
right now to the things you naturally gravitate towards. Is
it brands, is it places you shop? Is its online?
Places you go, sports teams you like? Behind that, it's
a massive industry. Behind that industry, there's a ton of
money to be made. So I think the money will come.
And the question I would say is are you willing
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to go without X, Y and Z. Are you willing
to cut this expense or this nice to have you have?
If you're in a position or a place that you
love working and you know you're going to drive, I
think it's worth thinking about. With the networking piece, one
of the things we talked about in the book is
there's this there's an application that I talk about how
you can download it, and how we were able to
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get email addresses for people on LinkedIn, and really just
thinking about the people we wanted to connect with and
being able to pull their email address, which it's in
the book how to Do It, and shooting them a
really nice introductor email of who I am and what
I was trying to achieve and if they would take
a fifteen minute meeting. Another thing too that you could
do that I used to do as a banker is
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I would follow all the bankers in town and people
be like, why are you following all the bankers on LinkedIn? Well,
and following the bankers on LinkedIn is it gives me
more information. If one of the bankers were to leave
the job or go to another bank, I now immediately
have a notification that they left their role. What can
I then do? I could see the companies they follow,
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and it's oftentimes that they're following and interacting with companies
that are their clients. I now can call on those
clients and say, hey, has there been any turnover within
your bank. I've been at my bank for five years.
I'd love the opportunity to meet with you and The
takeaway from that is LinkedIn and social media gives you
information and you could do a few things. You could
use that information for your game like I did in
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business development, or you can use that information to say, Heather,
I know you're connected with Anne. I've seen you guys
are really good friends. This is what I would love
to talk to Anne about. I'm just to need five
ten minutes of her time. Is there any way you
could just make a brief introduction to me to her? Right? So,
I think using the network and the network of people
is massive for making those introductions.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
And people have done that, by the way, and it's worked.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
There. You go, yeah, And I think you want to
be tactful, right, I'm not asking like, I'm not asking
you to put your you know, head on the line
or not going to aligne for something that is inappropriate
or high risk or anything that would cause and frustration.
You've got to be very tactful with what you're asking, right.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
You want to offer something too? You want to Yeah,
you've got to offer value of some sort if you
you know, if you're if you can right on what else?
Speaker 6 (37:58):
Well, I think a big thing we should talk about
how there is negotiation right, So I don't want to
put that out there because right now you've got inflation
at eight point six percent. We haven't seen inflation this
high and forty years and so a year ago today,
take your bank account and multiply at times point zero
eighty six, and that's how much your bank account is
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worth less by now take your salary, right, if you're
making one hundred k last year, one hundred k today
is worth a lot less twelve months inflation eight point
six percent less. So the importance of getting raises has
never been more meaningful because the value of our dollar
has gone down. And so in a whole career, according
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to Payscale and someone's whole career on the research they've done,
only thirty seven percent of individuals ask for a raise,
not on an annual basis, in their whole career. And
the importance of positioning yourself and making sure you're getting
paid for the value add has never been more critical.
And there's a whole pay a whole chapter. I'm making
sure you're getting paid for the work and value you
(39:05):
bring to the table. And people struggle with those conversations,
and they struggle with the prep behind it, and in
the book. It breaks down exactly how to do it.
But essentially, what you have to do is not tell
your employer you know what exactly you need the money for.
You have to explain to them why you've earned the
money and the value you'll be bringing moving forward. So
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negotiate and negotiate for what you pay and what you.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Are and applying that to freelancers because I always find
it a difficult thing. You know, I work on retainer
mostly and I realize, okay, everything costs more and I'm
keeping my retainers the same. So you almost have to
figure out how to negotiate with yourself to justify starting
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to charge more, which is a tricky bit of business.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
I would suggest this freelancers right now, go you go
increase your prices this second by ten to twenty percent.
Ten to twenty percent. Go increase your prices, have an
explanation to your clients as to why, and make sure
that explanation is very tight. And you're going to learn
a lot about yourself, because if people are willing to
leave you for a ten twenty percent increase of warning
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an inflationary environment about eight point six percent, you are
learning a lot about the value you're adding them, and
you're going to get one to two things of information back.
One you need to steck your game up, or two,
you're more valuable than you think you are.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
And are you saying to justify that increase not through
inflation but through the value you bring?
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Exactly? I think that's exactly. I think you have to
be very tactful with what your explanation would be to.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
Say, gas prices are high, your retainer just went up.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
In general, this is what I've been able to do
for you since we've brought you on board. This is
my plan moving forward, given the model of my business
and the plan I want to achieve for your growth
and my growth, it is requiring me to increase my
prices by ten percent. If you have any type of
issues with this or want an outline of like what
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exactly value on bringing, I'm happy to do it. Please
continue to just keep open conversation with me as I'm
growing my business to grow you, right, And so, I
think those are the type of things that needed to
happen and should happen because more often than not, freelancers
are underpricing themselves.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
And finally, what about resumes? Do we still need resumes?
Because let me tell you, that's the thing that has
always stopped me. I remember when I first tried to
go back to work, my resume was on something called
a floppy disk and that had gone out of out
of you know, print out of you know that there
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was no computers to print it off. So remember people like,
are you going back to work? And I'm like, I can't.
Everything I've ever done is on this floppy disk. I
don't know how to retrieve it.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
I constantly, I'm constantly looking at resumes, Heather, you are, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
What are you looking at resumes for? Right?
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Different different producers are audio engineers or sales people?
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Are they still old school? Like with with with their
college and then their.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
List of child I really care about the college. I
mostly care about the experience.
Speaker 6 (42:17):
Yeah, I was just going to ask you what do
you look for when you're looking at those resumes?
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Yeah, experience? And then I usually have some specific questions.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Like what do you ask?
Speaker 3 (42:28):
What do you ask?
Speaker 5 (42:30):
But it really depends on what on what it is
I'm looking for. But I mean it could, I mean,
I just I want to know if they have experience
within podcasting, and then if they do, I want to
know what programs they're using, and then if they're if
it's a salesperson, I have specific programs for that too,
So I'm curious if what they know about that or
like a whole CRM platform or any you know, a
variety of things.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
How many people have you hired through networking?
Speaker 6 (42:53):
Through?
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Like I know somebody I know? Uh is recommended?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Like uh maybe five or so? Mostly not good?
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Oh see, I would if i'm if someone is an
introductory right, or it's even someone because I hire on
LinkedIn jobs all the time, I will one hundred percent
require someone to send me their resume because I want
to see their social media and I want to see
their resume because I think the resume is a depict
It gives me an insight into them a little bit,
(43:24):
So tell me more.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
Right, I think resume suck. No one wants to write them,
no one wants to update them, No one really knows how.
But the thing is is there's enough information to do it.
You can get resources online that will help you build
your resume. And for me, it shows me like how
detail orients with this person? How creative are they with
their resume and the delivery To Ryan's point, have they
(43:47):
outlined the skills that they have, they have and they
can execute right? How do they write? I think there's
so much you could do with that. I also think
on your social media that is an online resume, whether
you know it or not, that is your brand and
have you thought about your brand? And does your brand
align with who you are?
Speaker 4 (44:05):
And so yeah, LinkedIn is a resume.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
Yeah, I mean it is a resume. And the big
thing I tell everyone, and I explained in the book
how to do it, is own your URL. I don't
care what you do. Own your url. So put your
name on go daddy, put some form of your name
on there, and have a brief portfolio of who you are,
what you've done. And it gives someone such a leg
up if they have a website, and I can go
(44:29):
to your website and see the work you've done and
who you are and how to contact you. It doesn't
matter if you're a doctor or a nurse, a business
development officer, a podcast or pr. For a very affordable price,
you can buy your URL twenty bucks, and for a
very affordable price, you can freelance someone you know two
hundred to six hundred bucks and you can save that
(44:50):
money up. I know that's not cheap, but you can
do it, and you'll have a website forever that'll show
what you've done and how you've done it the way
you want to present it, not the way someone else
can interpret it.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Have you known I did write a resume in a
panic during COVID because I did restaurant pr So I
have my I have my COVID panic resume somewhere if
I have to take any times.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
You know, we should do a follow up. You should
send me the resume and I'm gonna I'm gonna grade you.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
God, it's okay, it's half asked. I will, It's totally.
It's a It's like there, it's done. You know, well, Jason,
this has been great. Before you go, do you have?
Jason also hosts a fantastic podcast, Trading Secrets. Tell us
about some of your recent guests and if we can
and and what's the what's the best trading secret you've
got for us of late?
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Oh my gosh, well, so I just had Trading Secrets.
The whole premise is we we are just getting into
the transparency of where money's made, how it's made, and
what people make in certain industries. The last podcast I
had was very timely. It was with pilot Pete, who
is the former Bachelor and the Bache are at just Premiere,
(46:01):
and he is a pilot. He's currently a pilot with
United Airlines, and I've had so many issues in airports,
and so you get to hear all the different travel
tips and tricks and also insight as to why these
planes are being delayed, canceled, what the maintenance means. You
know how much these people are paid. And I was
(46:22):
blown away at the fact that, like some pilots will
start at like thirty five dollars an hour, which I
thought was pretty low. Yeah, and they'll they'll only get
contracted so much. There are pilots out there that make
fifty grand, forty forty five grand a year. And my
take was like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Want that guy flying the plane.
Speaker 6 (46:43):
I don't think I want my pilot making forty thousand dollars.
Like I mean, it's just like it's wild to hear
about the industry and how they work. Like if someone
starts at the class that United, right, and there's like
a hodgepodge of twenty different pilots that are starting through
their training and certification immediately. The person who will have
the highest seniority isn't based on experience, It's based on age.
(47:07):
Another interesting thing is that at sixty five you no
longer can fly anymore. So it's this wild just predicament
of so many things, so many things. But I'll say
one of the best chraining secrets I ever got, you know,
two one quick one, I'll tell too one Molly Bloom
from Molly's Game. It's a great episode and essentially what
(47:30):
she does is she was an Olympic skier, broke her back,
becomes an underground poker host. She's hosting the biggest poker games.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
They made a movie of that, right, Yeah, they made a.
Speaker 6 (47:39):
Movie and it called Molly's Game. You know, Toby Maguire,
Leonardo DiCaprio, Jack Black, biggest politicians, billionaires are playing in it.
You can't walk into the Gamehle's got two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars in cash on the table. And so
she ends up getting busted by the FBI, and she
tells a story about she's at this billionaire's hedge fun
(47:59):
part and there's this big argument about who makes what,
and there's a big response that has everyone silent and
they're like, yeah, but the difference between him and me
is that I have enough and he never will. And
she looked at her life saying I never had enough.
I was always trying to chase, you know, my other
family members who are doing better, more power, more prestige,
(48:22):
and as a result of that, she got greedy, and
that greed is what led her on her face with
FBI breaking down her door. And what she says is
if you don't define what enough is for you, you
two may be chasing what you think is enough or
what you haven't identifies enough, and it could leave you
in a really dark place. One quick one from a
Rod two was a Rod said he's had awful experiences
(48:44):
and unbelievable experiences, but the one thing is he's experienced
in his life when most humans experience in like ten lifetimes,
and he attributes that to having zero fear of failure.
He goes, I don't care what people think, I don't
care what they do. I step into it. I do it.
At twenty two, I bought my first apartment building at
twenty three. I did this. And he's, yes, he has
(49:07):
access to monopoly dollars. What he says, but he's not
afraid of failure. And as a result of that, he says,
I have failed so many times. I have had the
most cringeworthy interviews. I've had the most embarrassing moments of
my life. But I've had those because I'm just me
and I go all in all the time. And as
a result of that, I've lived the experiences and every
(49:28):
time He's like, every time I make a move, I
get more information and then I get in a better place.
And essentially, his lack of fear of failure has allowed
him to accelerate every aspect of his life in so
many different directions.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
And that really relates to what we talked about today,
because it really is restarting your career is a leap
of faith. It's scary. It's scary for a lot of
people to go outside of something that feels secure, even
if they hate it. You've got to be fearless to restart.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
In a lot of ways, you got to be fearless.
And the one the second chapter I talk about is
called breaking the blueprint. You got to be a willing
to break the blueprint you're currently on and that takes
a lot. But once you do, I think it's a
huge launch pad to success.
Speaker 4 (50:14):
We can't let you leave without giving us a little
update on the wedding plans. What's what's the skill?
Speaker 6 (50:20):
Okay? So, okay, Kaitlyn is Caylen right now is in
We're just together in New York City. We took her
family out. She's back in Nashville and we have an
absolute crazy back to back summer. I mean we are.
If I named everything that we have going on, it
would be you'd get nausey and thinking about all the
(50:41):
traveling we're doing. So at this point, we don't have
any updates as far as when when the date actually is,
so we're still working on setting that date and once
we do, we'll be telling Heather and that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Well, thanks so much for coming by. As always, you
give us such great advice and we so appreciate getting
better with Jason Tarctic awesome.
Speaker 6 (51:07):
Thank you guys so much for having me. We miss Jane.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
We're better to.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Gain with that. And I'm never I you know, Jason,
I'm gonna find miss you right now.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I'm never going to miss another interview. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Heather and and and Ryan for for being here for
me when I'm not, but I do want to. It's
everything that we line up with Better Together in paying
attention to what it is that is serving the joy
in yourself and that being the thing that propels your destiny.
(51:41):
But we have to and we were learning about it
through all of these experts that we have on we're
lucky enough to have on that. It takes a consideration
of yourself. It takes a moment to go away, what
am I feeling? Am I worth it? Do I matter?
And can I change my active participation in what it
is that I'm doing and spending the majority of my
(52:03):
time doing, and is my joy worth it?
Speaker 4 (52:06):
That's right on, sister, Right on, sister.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
All right, I hope you guys enjoyed the show, and
we're gonna have Jason back for sure. We'll have Jason Backenhall,
and I'll ask him to clarity on that story about
sex with the clothes on.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Thanks for making us better, Jason.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
And a big, big thanks to our Better Together team,
Ryan Tillotson, Silvana Alcohola, Daniel Ferrera, and of course and
in Heather.
Speaker 6 (52:34):
If you haven't already, please subscribe on whatever device or
platform you're listening to this on and as always, see
you next week.
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