June 2025 MLB Futures Forecast | Updated Best Bets & Predictions (Ep. 711) - BettingPros Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, and welcome into the Betting Pros Podcast. It's June,
which means it's time to revisit the MLB futures markets.
I'm your host, Seth Wilcock, and I'm once again linking
up with two gentlemen who know their way around the
sand line, including one of the hosts of Leading Off Diamondbacks,
Faithful Chris Welsh, ak B Welsh. Good afternoon, Welsh. How

(00:22):
are you as the summertime months get going on the
baseball calendar?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good afternoon, Seth. Great to be here. It's great. Is Arizona.
It's like super hot, It's insanity. But I got lots
of baseball and I got backfields to cover as well,
and we got some bets to get into, so let's
roll it absolutely.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Also joining us is a known Jacob degrombacker Canada's pride,
Joe o'rico.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Joe, great to see you today.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
How are you feeling as we're roughly nine ten weeks
into the MLB season.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Fellas, I'm doing great, other than my pitching ratios and
a lot of my fantasy leagues because we've just seen
so many blow ups over the last few days. Yeah,
I just disgusting Dicky Fitz last night. We had a
few of them last week that were awful, Brandon Fod
in particular, Hazus Lozardo. So let's get away from Fantasy
and talk about some betting for the next little while.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Absolutely, we'll certainly do that. Today's show looks like this.
We'll revisit the following betting markets, MVP side young season
win totals to make the playoffs, division winners, World Series winners,
and of course some long shot future surround out the program.
There's been a ton of turnover in the odds just
in the past month since we've all got together and
chatted about it. We'll certainly talk about it all as

(01:33):
we revisit it today. But before we get going, I
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Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, to say the least prospect videos, waivers, trades. We
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So come and hang out on the fantasy baseball side,
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Speaker 5 (02:08):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Let's go ahead, gentlemen, Let's jump in, starting with the
MVP odds, where it feels as though all the value
has maybe even bet out of this market. The favorites
include in the AL Aaron Judge now minus four thousand
he was mayas nine hundred when he last talked in May,
plus three ten in the preseason. And then the NL
side of things, Joe Hey Otani after what some would

(02:29):
consider a slow start, minus two fifty. Now he was
plus two to twenty right in May. Well, you added
that shoe a a Tani ticket last time we talked.
So are you standing pat with your current portfolio of him,
Bobby Witt and Corman Carrol or is there any more
value out there with some of these more favorites becoming
long shots all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I mean, I think at the end of the
day you said it really the best. The value is
taken out of the market. The favorites are so dramatically
favorites that you if you're going to jump into this,
you're going to be betting on like one of two things.
You're gonna be betting on chaos of course, or you know,
you know, maybe a guy just goes on an insanely
crazy run, or you're gonna be betting on an injury,
because an injury is going to completely deteriorate this market.

(03:11):
But it's ridiculous. Minus money on Judge and Otani was
the bet. We talked about it on the last show
last month. I had Otani at a little over two
to one. That's now, you know, minus two hundred, So
that was the value. That's the play. If I were
jumping into the market, I'll tell you I do have
one bet, and unfortunately it's gonna kind of be in
the market of I'm banking on said player to get injured,

(03:32):
and it would be against Judge, who judges having a
ridiculous run here, but if you were to miss some time,
I got to try to play a market with Bobby
Wit Junior, and Bobby Wait Junior right now is thirty
to one. You can get him at thirty to one odds.
Every single player that is not judge in the AL
has absolutely ridiculous numbers. I think Joe's going to talk

(03:54):
about one as well. But one of the reasons I'm
doing it is, if you will take a look at
the AL for a second, Judge ridiculous five point one
war you know, numberers across the board of three ninety
one average. It's absolutely ridiculous, of course, But if you
look at the other AL guys, You've got Cal Rawley
who's got a three point eight war solid catcher Seattle.

(04:14):
I'm not going to buy that. Then you're gonna go
and jump over to Jeremy Payne. Yet Jeremy Painey is
ridiculous on the war marker. He's got a what is
a two point nine? He would be third in the AL,
But fourth in the AL is Bobby Witt Junior. Bobby
Witt Junior, even though he's had kind of a slowed
down season so far, he's still got his average up.

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He's got his average of two eighty three, six homers,
he's pacing out to have the most stolen bases, he's
had really low strikeout rate, and he's got a two
point eight war. So if he's to pick it up,
you know, they just brought up Jack cagleone and he's
to go on a run. It's not inconceivable he could
get back up into that twenty five to thirty home
run marker and he might push fifty. So if he
had a thirty to fifty season at a Bobby Wit

(04:57):
Junior with a three hundred average, and let's say, Judge,
we is time that thirty to one is going to shrink.
You could potentially buy out of it, or you're going
to have just clear on thirty to one odds. But
I just want to make it clear. This is if
I'm kind of having fun and I'm hoping the betting
worlds play on my side. The bets are Judge and
Otani and they're not bettable right now. So this is

(05:18):
where my pivot would be in this market would be
specifically Bobby Witt Junior at those type of odds or
some interesting NL ones that are out there, obviously if
something were to happen with Otani. But Bobby Wit kind
of stands out to me in the al and I know,
I think I had this at one point at four
and a half to one, so now I can get
thirty to one kind of double down on that hoping

(05:39):
that maybe Judge misses a little bit of time.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Joe, as Welsh kind of allude to there. We did
have the breaking news in the MLB this week that
Jack Caglion, one of the top prospects in the game,
is being promoted.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
He's coming up to the majors.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Do you think that helps Bobby Witt Junior from a
statistical standpoint, and do you think that maybe helps his
case for a potential al MVP run if something does
happen to Judge down the stretch.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah, I think it absolutely will help.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
The Royals have been and we talked about it yesterday
Welsh and I on the Discord Show that the Royals
have been one of the worst offenses in all of
baseball this season, really only better than the White Sox,
the Pirates and the Rockies.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
So adding an impact bat.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Who can be a twenty twenty five home run guy
even over four months, who's going to be hitting probably
right behind him or one or two spots behind him,
could do numbers in terms of Bobby Wits run.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Total for the season.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
And and I like Welsh's bet here the thing with
the MVP markets that you guys have alluded to is
that there's no real value in betting the favorites at all.
I've seen judges like minus five thousand, and you really
have to just kind of bank on an injury. Otani's
like minus two fifty three hundred. It's not a horrible line,
but I think the value is looking for some of
those long shots and kind of banking on an injury.

(06:51):
And that's where I'm headed with Jose Ramirez, because it's
kind of the same thing with Bobby wid Junior. You
need judge to miss time, but if he does miss time,
you got a guy in Ramirez who has been a
top five MVP finisher four times in his career. He's
having a brilliant season a three twenty seven batting average,
he has a one sixty one WRC, plus eleven homers
fourteen steals. He's on pace to go about thirty thirty

(07:13):
five in the Guardians. Even though they're probably overperforming just
based on run differential and things like that, they're a
good team. To this point of the season. They're six
games over five hundred, and there's a chance they could
get into the playoffs, and that could be part of
the narrative of if he makes the playoffs versus with
not making it with the Royals in a bit of
a weaker team. Maybe it is Jose Ramirez. I think
that you are just kind of hoping for an injury

(07:34):
with either of these plays. But Jose Ramirez at plus
eight thousand does seem like a pretty decent bet to
make because we know Aaron Judge. You know, he was
kind of seen as an injury prone guy. He's been
healthy the last couple seasons. But all it would really
take is maybe one month. I mean, the way the
Judge has been playing, maybe he would need to miss
more than a month. But if there is an injury,
I think it would probably come down to one of

(07:54):
Bobby Witt or Jose Ramirez.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Any thoughts on Ramirez here? Welsh, Yeah, I like this bet.
I think the odds are absolutely ridiculous. He continues to perform.
The Guardians team is actually pretty underrated as far as
what they could still do the rest of the season.
So I think the Jose Ramirez bet again, if you're
playing long shot market, it makes a lot of sense.

(08:16):
It's tough because we picked both al players that are
going to kind of be battling each other, assuming something
we're to happen to judge, which you obviously don't want
to do. But I think Ramirez is going to be
up near the top of it. There's still so many
that's the weird part. There's still so much season to go.
We've got a third of the season kind of out here.
We have so much more to play, so many more
things can happen, Yet we have such like stuck odds,

(08:39):
stuck odds on the favorites that there is value of
something we're to play. I think Ramirez is as good
as a bet better odds than Bobby Witt just you know,
Bobby woitd higher up on the market on the war
underperforming on an offense, has been really stuck. I think
both of these make sense.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Let's go ahead, Let's move the Cy Young odds, where
the favorites have certainly separated themselves but are still betable.
In the al al Cy Young winner Jarique Scuball of
the Tigers, he's now minus one fifty. He was plus
two thirty when he talked in May and plus three
fifty back in spring training. On the NL side of things,
Paul Skeens now plus one forty. He was plus two

(09:14):
seventy back in May three to one in the preseason,
and then Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto is now plus three fifty.
He had a great May he was plus two seventy
and has certainly slipped up a little bit here. Wel
So him and Zach Wheeler kind of the only the
guys in this mix now plus eight fifty. Which I
know you have an eleven to one ticket on Wheeler
that you placed in our last episode.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, and we're gonna be a little this will be
a little bit boring because Rico and I are going
to completely agree on this market. We didn't in the
last time we did this. I gave you eleven to
one on Zach Wheeler. That's that's you know, getting close
to cutting in half. But I still think that's a
phenomenal play. Whether it's seven and a half or eight
and a half to one on Zach Wheelers, Okay, it
makes a ton of sense. And Garrett Crochet absolutely jumps

(09:58):
out to me that if I had to pick one
right now, I'm really into the Garrett Crochet one, even
though I think the Wheeler one is completely live. I
had Crochet earlier, I had both of these guys on
my cards earlier it was four and a half. It's
now seven and a half to one. Yet Garrett Crochet
has jumped up in the strikeout market. I believe he's
actually tied. He's got a few more innings than a

(10:19):
few of the guys as we're recording this, but he's
tied on the league lead of strikeouts. And if you
do remember I had him leading in strikeouts at like
eleven to one or twelve to one. That was one
of my favorite bets. But what's also on top of
it is he's got a one nine to eight era.
Scooble is really tough here. It's a little on the
minus money side. But Crochet and Scooble, I think are

(10:40):
the two front runners here. You've got ra in favorite
of Crochet, You've got both in the same win market.
K's are pretty close, walks are in favor of Scooble.
But Garrett Crochet has taken another step. If you believe
that the Boston Red Sox can right this wrong ship
right now, Garrett Crochet is going to be the captain
of it. And that SUBI those crazy big strikeouts, how

(11:01):
he is locked in. He can lead the league. He's
an easy cy Young candidate here, and you're getting seven
and a half to one, especially if Boston does take
this step into the second half, which they're not doing
anything to show us it at this right now, Yeah,
right now, I'm kind of a guess sticking to where
I was last week. It's Wheeler, it's Garrett Crochet, and
I'm not wanting to take it because Joe had the

(11:23):
exact same thing. So Joe, we're in complete agreement in
this mark.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
You and I usually tend to disagree on a few
things Welsh, but we are lock step right here. Zach
Wheeler is one of those guys where you can easily
spin a narrative of he has been so good for
so long and he is kind of deserving of a
cy Young Award. At this stage of his career, There's
probably not too many opportunities left for him.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yeah. Momoto is also.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I think a pretty solid bet at three to one,
depending on your book.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Skeens.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
I think the thing that will hold Schiens back really
is just the team context and the fact that he
might win seven games this season and there are still
voters who will look.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
At the win total.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I think we're kind of moving away from that, but
I think there are still gonna be some people where
if he finishes the season with like a seven to
nine record, even if he has a two ERA, they're
gonna have a hard time voting for him. So I
think Wheeler, considering the good team context, considering the fact
that he's off to a really great start this year,
it does seem like this is kind of his year.
And in the American League, Garrett Crochet, he's leading the

(12:21):
American League in I think he's leading the major leagues
actually in innings pitched. He's leading in strikeouts or tied
with Mackenzie Guar. He has a sub too ERA, he
has five wins, and I think the Red Sox are
gonna probably going to need to get a little bit
more active here if they don't want to have maybe
not a lost season, but a year that will be
very disappointing. So I think they're gonna make a couple
of moves, whether it's moving out Jaron Duran, bringing in

(12:42):
more pitching, calling up Roman Anthony, They're still some moves
to make, and I think that Garrett Crochet can pretty
easily get into double digits for wins, and if he
keeps that ERA anywhere close to one nine to eight,
then I think that this is gonna be very hard
to take away from him. The problem, being similarly to
the MVP markets, is that Terik Skuble like a heavy
heavy favorite right now, and if he keeps doing what

(13:02):
he's been doing, it's gonna be hard to not give
him the award for a second consecutive season. But I
think the value right now is on Garrett Crochet in
the American League.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do voters in the MLB awards do they get fatigue
as much as NFL? You think Welsh because it feels
like if you win an NFL MVP, it's so hard
to go back to back because the voters are just
tired of and they want something fresh. We saw it
this past season with Josh Allen winning the award when
many thought that it should have been Lamar Jackson's. Does
MLB do the voters have a little more pride and

(13:32):
don't care as much about, you know, who's won.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
This award before. That's an interesting question. I think, yeah,
maybe there's part of that. In baseball, you'll definitely sometimes
see kind of the makeup where it's like next year
you're going to get extra credit for something a player
maybe should have gotten this year. Okay, there's also just
so many different personalities that are put into it. I
think team winning context is going to be important, so
like right now, even more so if you look at like,

(13:56):
let's just say the cross cancel each other, Turry Scougble
and Garrett Crochet, you know, whether it's strikeouts or walks,
just the city completely cross cancel. Well, what's the narrative
right now? Bosso Red Sox are fourth in the Al
East and the Tigers are winning their division. That's enough
to give that extra push of why school will have it.
So it's gonna be really imperative to watch what happens
over the next couple of months to the Tiger's fade

(14:17):
to the Red Sox kind of boost back up that
will play a really really important role I think in
voters in which side they're going to go onto.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
A lot of Garrett Crochet love on the pod today,
and Welsh I have to say, like this feels a
little bit at least like out of the narrative for
you because apparently, like everyone thinks you're a big Garrett
Crochet hater. Yet yet you've been on this train since
the beginning of preseason on this show at least.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, it's a false narrative. If anything, A Rico can
attest to this, I've been one of the biggest Garrett
Crochet pushers that has been on this network or probably
out there. I ranked him as my third overall starting
pitcher coming into this year in Fantasy. What came from
it was there's this really early on, like a couple
starts that Garrett Crochet had where things looked weird. He

(15:04):
didn't have his stuff, he was going heavy cutter, You're
getting some walks in there. He wasn't going deep into games,
and there's just something concerning, and I brought that up
and that turned into this narrative. But no, no, no, okay,
got I got Garrett Crochet and our Fantasy pros leagues.
I had him one of the highest, maybe not his highest, mayor,
but one of the highest starting pitchers in Fantasy. And

(15:25):
I've got my own Garrett Crochet tickets going. So let's go, No, Sir.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
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go ahead and move to the season win totals or

(16:13):
to make the playoffs market where Welsh you already have
a ticket on both Boston and Sincey to make the postseason.
Do you feel that those tickets are very much still
alive and is there anything else that you're adding out there?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
The reds ticket is dead. That one doesn't feel okay?
That what the one feels?

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Poor dead?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, poor one out. So I'm gonna double down on
something and it is not going to feel popular. I
had the Red Sox to make the playoffs at just
a little essentially just one for one. It was like
plus one oh five. They are nine games back in
the division. But I am going to double down on
the Red Sox. Oh am going to put them back
to making the playoffs. And you're getting almost three to

(16:53):
one at plus two eighty five. And I know it
seems crazy because they're a messy team right now. Boston
is three and seven in their life ten. As I mentioned,
they're like nine games back in their own division. There's
trade talk, but I don't think the trade talk has
to be about them dismantling the team now if they're
to go to the levels of like will you're a

(17:13):
bray you and dah da da and Okay, maybe that's different.
But there's talk of Jared Durant. The Jared duran trade
could be something that actually could be a net positive
if they were to get some assets that they're a
little division in right now, like maybe starting pitching or bullpen,
and then you bring up a guy like Roman Anthony.
I'm still a little bit I'm not a Red Sox fan,
but I'm still a little bit of a homer in

(17:34):
that market. I guess because Bregman can come back, I
think they can bounce back. They have one of the
best pitchers in baseball, and they are technically only four
and a half games out of the wild card right now,
regardless of being fourth in the AL East and being
nine games back divisionally, they are only four and a
half games back. That is very, very winnable and doable

(17:55):
if they make the right moves, and I think they
have some core pieces that can push them over where.
So I'm gonna double down on this because I still
think they're a massively talented team. I think they're gonna
make moves that are not in a selling way, and
I'm going to take a three to one ticket on
the Red Sox is still sneaking on that wild car
to make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I think it's an interesting play because so many times
as better as we look to hedge ourselves and bet
against ourselves. But Welsh is just saying, Hey, I'm going
to go right back to the Red Sox and stay packed,
and if they do end up making the playoffs, you're
cashing two tickets and one at nearly a three to
one price.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
So I like that a lot.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Joe, any thoughts here on the Red Sox who the
vibes weren't great to start out the season yet all
the rafeel Devers drama and just kind of a lot
of question marks up in the air. But if they
continue to bring up some of these, you know, promising prospects,
maybe it's a summer to remember up there and then Boston.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, I think that this team needs to make a
move because they can't just leave Rome and Anthony sitting
down in the minors forever. They need to do something
with the outfield, and it's probably going to be durant.
I know you guys mentioned on leading off that Joe
has and some Willyard or Bray you rumors there's got
I saw. There's got to be some kind of move
that this team makes. So I don't think this is
the team that we're gonna see a month from now,

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but to get but to get them around three to one,
I think is a worthy bet. I doubt they're gonna
win the division. I can't really see them taking over
the Yankees. They're just too strong, too far ahead. But
I could see them getting into the wild card, and
that I think is a decent bet.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
That welshmid Okay, Joe sending it over to you here,
you're currently in your portfolio. You have the twins to
make the playoffs that even money, and you also were
fading one of the hottest teams in baseball, the Tigers
under ninety one and a half wins at minus one ten.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Are you gonna stick.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
With that train of fading some hot teams or are
you gonna maybe back somebody here?

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, the Tigers one isn't looking great. I'll be honest.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
I really thought that they were gonna cool off, and
they have just been. I think they actually have the
best record in the whole major leagues right now forty
twenty one.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
I might be off on that one.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
I think ninety one will still be kind of close,
but they might sneak over there. The Twins, bet, I
feel pretty good about. As soon as we did that
show last month, they went on like a thirteen game
win streak, So I felt pretty good about that one.
I think that they're probably a bit of a tough
team to win the division in the similar vein of
the Red Sox and the Yankees that it's just a
huge lead for the Tigers, But I think the Twins
can still get into the wild Card. But the one

(20:16):
that I'm focusing in on today is the Cubbies under
ninety five and a half wins. It feels like this
number has gotten a little out of hand. They're a
great team, no question. Thirty seven and twenty two. I
think they're going to pretty handily win that division. But
that's a very, very high win total. Looking back last season,
there was only one team that would have went over
this number, and that's the Dodgers, who had ninety eight wins.

(20:39):
Do I think that this Cubs team, as currently constructed,
is going to get to ninety six wins. If it
wasn't for the injuries to the pitchers, then I probably
would be more on board with this, But Justin Steele
Gone Imanaga is still a little bit away, and I
just don't think that they are able to maintain what
they're doing with Boyd ray Brown, Ty one and Kate Horton,
especially with the revolver door they've had in the bullpen.

(21:01):
I think their lineup is great, but I think this
pitching is going to end up stopping them at some point.
I think ninety six wins is just a bit too
high of a number to reach.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
What do you think about this Welsh because they certainly
have some easier opponents they're facing within their own division,
We've talked about the Pirates, We've talked about your dead
Red's bet. So not the most you know, competitive division
here in the Central it seems like. But at the
same time they've been absolutely tearing it up that the
Cubs have the season.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, I think I like this one, you know, not
even focusing divisionally, but just internally on the team. You know,
they've been turning out some rookies. They have had an
otherworldly performance from PCA that's going to probably have to
continue for them to be on that. They have had
a lot of issues in their in their starting rotation
that they've gone to rookies and guys like Colin Ray.
You have no steal if I do believe they have

(21:51):
the assets though to go and make a move that
could push this. But I think Joe, I think he
laid it out really well like this. This is a
really really aggressive number, and I don't think I would
want to make that bet with the current roster construction.
I do think they could make some moves, but I
very much do like this one.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
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(22:29):
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Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's definitely a community. Yes, come and hang out. We're
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We've got great people, and come and be a part
of it.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Let's go ahead, let's crack open the Division winner odds
another market where better's got to get creative here to
find some value. The Dodgers now minus seven hundred to
win the NL West. The Cubs minus two fifty to
win the NL Central, and the Yankees they're now minus
five to seventy five to win the AL East. There
minus one thirty five when we talked in May and
plus one sixty in spring training.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Joe, I got to come.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
To you, man, Are these heavy favorites very much in
the driver seats of their division? Or were you may
be able to sniff out some value elsewhere?

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Those are absolutely the favorites. There's just no real value
in betting any of them. So I'm going with one
that I think some people might push back on initially
when they hear it. But the Padres to win the
National League West. You're seeing it at plus eight hundred
or plus nine hundred, depending on your book. And don't
get me wrong, the Dodgers should absolutely be favored in

(23:55):
this market, but they're minus.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Eight fifty and it feels a little.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Strong to me considering they have a one game lead
in the division right now. So should they be favored, Yes,
it just feels like it's too much value going the
Padres way. There's talk about them acquiring Jaron Duran. Possibly
they're gonna be a team that makes moves. They always
do make big moves. The Dodgers have dealt with a
ton of injuries, and their core is kind of on
the older side. And we've got some bad news about
Tyler Glass now yesterday. I'm not sure about Blake Snell's timeline.

(24:22):
You know, you got Freddi Freeman at thirty six. You
got Mookie, who's dealing with more things as he gets older.
He's already had a couple of problems this season, going
back to the preseason when he lost all that weight
and then he was banged up the other day. They're
not a young team. They're an amazing team, but there
are avenues for them not to miss the playoffs. Like
this team is making the playoffs. But could the Padres
sneak into that lead spot of the National League West?

Speaker 5 (24:44):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think it'll be hard for them, But a plus
nine hundred, I think it's worth taking that bet.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
At nine to one for a team in the mix.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
As much as the Padres are well, it feels like
a great number despite the Dodgers being an absolute juggernaut.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Those are the actual odds's the bet of bets, for sure.
I must have totally missed that. Those are phenomenal. There's
some questions on you know, what the Padres end up doing,
Like if they were to trade for Jaron Duran, some
people question what it be on a younger prospect side.
I wonder if the fit happens, would the Padres have
to end up moving any core pieces And if they

(25:19):
were to you know, let go of like a Luisa
Rise or it kind of seems more unlikely that they
would sell off a King or a Dylan Ceeese regardless
of getting a guy like him. But so what does
that end up looking like? But at the end of
the day, the team is pretty stacked. They do have
Darvish coming back, and if you can have just like
any piece of what that old Darvish was, they've got
a phenomenal bullpen, and they've got a great starting roster

(25:42):
that's got some flexibility. Guys like cronin Worth can move around.
I mean, they're kind of stacked. They just need their
guys to perform at level. They need their pitching staff
to pitch, you know, at level, I guess is another
word for it. And they need their bullpen to continue
to be extraordinary. Guys like Adams and Suarez. This is
a pretty great bet at those odds even if it
doesn't cash out to be one game out, this is

(26:04):
better than mine. So I think this is probably the
best bet to jump on.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, that might be a squad right there for me,
a Rico, I might be joining you on that one. Man, Well,
I want to throw it back to you right now.
Your current portfolio. You have the Royals to win their
division plus two seventy and the Rangers to win their
division up plus two thirty. Maybe a little double down
opportunity for Chris Wells here.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
We're going to do a little bit of a double down.
That Royals one. I do not feel good about. That
one is about probably as dead as the Reds, especially
they're all defense. But you know, I come back to it,
like one of the ways that Bobby Wood gets there
is if this offense goes on a tear. They have
so so dramatically underperformed the Royals have. It's absolutely ridiculous
if they were to jump back up, which by the way,

(26:46):
that you know, they've got the second best home record
in that division and they've been admirable I suppose against
teams against five hundred, But the Royals could come back.
But the double down is going to go on to
the Rangers. Here the Rangers, you've got Seattle at the
top the division, who has had injury after injury, which
I would point out could actually work in their favor
because they've done it without a good Kurby, they've done

(27:06):
it without Gilbert. Their offensive is finally played up. They've
got a positive run scored versus against differential, which was
their huge issue last year. You've got the Astros, who
are right there is where they're half game behind Seattle,
who has positive differentials. They've been carried by Brown, but
they've got alvarezaz banged up. They've got a lot of negatives.
Then you've got the Rangers. In all of the bad

(27:28):
that has been the Rangers this year, they are only
four games back on this division. Marcus Simon underperformed, Jake
Berger underperform, Corey Seeger has had early injuries. Now these
things continue, they're cooked. But if we get this bounce back,
if we get Simeon to bounce back, if we I mean,
their offense is stacked, if we get just a couple
of these players to get back into performing, we get

(27:50):
Naivaldi healthy again, You've got a healthy Jacob de Grom.
This team. They look like they're in a really great
position to be able to steal this division. Again, this
is June sewond These divisions are not going to finish
how we're looking at it now. I'm not saying it's
going to finish how we're saying it's going to. But
I don't think you're gonna have this exactly toe for
toe here. So I think the Rangers can go and

(28:10):
make a move. I think they just need their players
to pop back up and to be only four games back.
I think that's something that they can work with. They
also have the second best home record in this division.
They have wildly underperformed on the road, and that's what
they're goingning to step up and do. But this is
a world championship team with a lot of those core pieces.
So little White Langford up, little Corey Seger up, and

(28:32):
I think this team could get back into it. So
I'm gonna take five and a half to one on
the Rangers to be able to take this division. And
that's a double down off of the round like two
and a half that I had before.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
A low Rangers love. I know, uh, Joe, you don't
hate that at all. If there's some Rangers love out there.
It's usually you out on the internet spew and I
like this about a lot because the Rangers.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
They have been absolutely.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Terrible this season, but they're still, like well said, just
four games back, and their pitching has been very good
in terms of war among all major league teams. They
have the seventh best pitching war. It's just that lineup
that has been lagging behind, and we've seen semi and
kind of turn the corner a little bit. They need
to pick things up on offense, and I think just
based on the e of all the injury, they're probably
gonna have to make a move for a starting pitcher.

(29:14):
But I think that this is a solid bet to make.
They are still right there in the hunt. You know,
they just need a couple things to go their way,
and I can very easily see them winning this division.
This is a division that I think is really wide
open right now. The top four teams are separated by
five and a half games. But the Rangers are probably
the smartest bet you can make value wise.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Next up is the World Series market. The Dodgers remain
the betting favorite plus two eighty. They're plus two to
fifty in May, so this is the best price we've
seen in a while on La The Yankees, though they've
emerged as the second favorite plus five point fifty. They're
nine to one in May plus eight fifty to be
in the preseason. The Mets are now eight to one,
the Phillies plus eight fifty at some books, Tigers plus

(29:54):
eight fifty. Well, you picked up a ticket on the
Dodgers last time out? Are you content with that in
your Red Sox ticket? Or you potentially adding to the
portfolio here in June?

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Well, my Red Sox ticket looks hysterically right now. We
just how they've performed. So no, I'm not content with that.
I'm not really content with the Dodgers. But if we
want to look at this from a like, what do
I currently have in my portfolio? If I've already got yes,
the odds are a little bit better, But I've already
got like a two and a half or so odds
on the Dodgers, I'm not sure I want to double

(30:26):
down on that, because this Dodger team is what we
just laid out. They're vulnerable right now. Starting pitching is disastrous.
We don't know what hell happened with Glassnow we don't
know what's going to happen with Snell. Do I think
this team is a World Series contending team If they
are going in with Dustin May, Tony Gonsolin and Clayton Kershaw,
I'd put some big questions on that. And their bullpen

(30:47):
is of Tanna Scott's been a disaster. So they've got
all the pieces. But what I want to double down now,
I don't think so. What I think I would want
to move to, and I think there's some really good
odds on this. I actually got better odds than you
mentioned is the Phillies. The Phillies that ten to one. Ooh,
I think this was over on FanDuel. You can get
the Phillies ten to one. And the thing that I
like about them is they have got the total package. Offensively.

(31:10):
We ought to get harperback. Obviously, Schwarber's playing on another level.
You've got Trade Turney, You've got core pieces. Even though Alec, Bohm,
Bryce and Stotton like the best players, but the great
core pieces guys that make contact, guys that get on base,
they score runs. They're gonna need, you know, Castianos and
Rimy do to pick it up. They're pitching phenomenal wheeler,
Chris Sanchez, Hazes Lozardo outside him getting blown up has

(31:31):
been incredible this year. You've got a great staff to
take you into the playoffs. The dicey part Jose Alvarado
getting suspended. He is not playoff eligible, so they're gonna
have to kind of work through that. But it's one
of those things if you want to put three pieces together.
I need offense, I need pitching, and I need bullpen.
I think that team is really close, and it's small moves.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
They could make.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
They could go and get involved and get like a
Ryan Helzy or something, get someone in the back end
of the bullpen, and I would feel great about it.
And at ten to one, I think things are still
open right now. I wouldn't even hate the Padres. I
don't remember what their number is out there, not even
on This is probably even better. But the Phillies is
what I jumped to instead of doubling down on a Dodgers' number.
That's just like slightly better.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's a great month to do it. In June we
have Schwarberfest coming back. I don't know if you guys
have woah wahs around you, wah wahs are elite. I
grew up in western Pennsylvania, we did not have them.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I now live in.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Eastern Pennsylvania and we have them. Fantastic love this time
of the year with Schwarber headlining and all. So I
like that bet a lot there from the Welsh, Joe,
what do you think in here when it comes to
the World Series? You currently also have a Dodgers ticket
in your back pocket as well as a Rangers long
shot at twenty two to one.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Don't feel great about the Rangers one. I'm kind of
in the same vein as the Welsh here on a
lot of these points. I don't really want to double
down on the Dodgers, but there is a National League
Eese team at plus one thousand that does kind of
interest me, and that's the Mets. You know, we're talking
about pitching lineup, all of it, bullpen starters, they have everything.
I think they probably could use another starter, but they're

(32:58):
gonna have Sean and I coming back very soon. And
then you've got Senga who's been brilliant, Clay Holmes, who's
really surprised me this season. David Peterson's been great, Griffin
Canning has been great, McGill has been fantastic. This is
a really strong group and they're gonna get Manaia back.
Maybe they could even bolst of that through the trade
market at some point. But we're also looking at a
fantastic bullpen. Edwin Diaz hadn't given up a run before

(33:19):
yesterday and like a month. And then you're looking at
the lineup where you got Lindor Soto Alonso and then
you got Brett Bady who's been brilliant over the last month.
Jeff McNeil has been really good since he's returned. So
I think this is a team that kind of fills
all the boxes in terms of they have starters that
I'd feel good about in the playoff series. They have
an incredible lineup, especially when Sodo fully gets going, cause

(33:41):
I know the whole narrative this year is that Soto
sucks one twenty five WRC plus eight hundred ops.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Once he actually turns things on, this is gonna be.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
A very very scary lineup, and I think they kind
of have all the pieces to be able to put
this together. They are currently fifteen games above or sixteen
games above five hundred. It's a tough division, but I
think if the Mets get in and they have all
the pieces to make it to the dance.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Welsh, is Soto the X factor here for the Mets
to make a World Series run? Because you know, as
Joe said, the narrative is really that he has underperformed
some since signing arguably the biggest contract in American sports history.
So do you think he's really what's holding this team
back from becoming this elite team that can make a
run all the way to the World Series Championship.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
So kind of I'll say this like, he's massively underperforming,
and I don't think anybody that pays attention to baseball
thinks that he's going to keep doing that. So I'm
gonna kind of flip it on you because I think
he's massively important. But I also think we all see
that he's going to bounce back and he's going to
be there for the offense. I think at this moment,
Soto feels like the X factor, But I think the
X factor two months from now when we're talking, it's

(34:47):
going to be the starting pitchers, because you list it off,
they have performed so well. Can they hold up, Will
Manaya be healthy, will Clay Holmes, who is a reliever
moved into a starter, be able to keep going well.
All of these pitch that have performed at a level
that nobody expected. People looked at the nets starting rotation,
We're just like, what are we doing here? You got
eight hundred million dollars in Soto and you've got David Peterson.

(35:10):
It's like you're number three that's not going to hold?
It is, so will it hold? It's great that it's
been two months. I think the X factor is this
rotation that vastly overperformed has to continue or they're gonna
have to make some dramatic moves because I think Sodo
is going to bounce back, and then you have this
ridiculous roster of Soto and Alonso has played well and Lindor.
That's core bullpen core rotation. The rotation is going to

(35:33):
be the key because on paper, when we look at,
you know, a World's New York World Series matchup, and
you're gonna see on the Yankee side, you're gonna see
Max Freed, and you're gonna see College Radon and then
but then you're gonna come over here and you're gonna
see like Paul Blackburn and Clay Holmes, like, it's not
going to feel great on paper, So it's really the
rotation to me, withstanding the season, that's going to be

(35:54):
the big X factor for the New York Mets.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Great insight there.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Let's go ahead and round out the program with the
guy's favorite future long shot, starting with you Joe, who
is sticking to his guns yet again.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, I've switched him from the cy Young market because
there are a couple of other interesting cy Young bets,
but Jacob deGrom, Baby, I'm sticking with Jacob de Gram.
We're twelve starts in, We're about halfway to success at
this point. If he gets he's at seventy innings, if
he gets to one hundred and forty one hundred and
fifty range, maintaining what we've seen so far at two
thirty four era with a sub one whip. The strikeouts

(36:28):
haven't been classic Jacob de Gram at all. In fact,
he had his first game of his career where he
didn't strike out a batter the other day against the
Blue Jays. It was kind of shocking to see. But overall,
the numbers have still been brilliant. Those ratios are very important,
and we both think that the Rangers are going to
kind of turn things around even in their struggling period.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Through twelve starts, he has won five.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Of those, so I could very easily see him getting
into the double digit win territory. And if you're looking
at de Gram at the end of the year with
let's say twelve thirteen wins, with a two thirty four
ERA and a sub one whip, I think it'll be
very hard for people to not want to vote for him.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
As like a Swan song.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Cy Young winner here, it looks like it's gonna be
schooble if he maintains what he's been doing. He's been
absolutely brilliant. But I think looking at the Grom, the
value I've been getting on him thirteen fourteen, fifteen to one.
This one right here is at thirteen to one, but
I had a couple of early season tickets that were
as high as sixteen to one, and I think those
numbers are just too good to not bet he. You know,

(37:22):
maybe he doesn't stay healthy, but so far, so good,
and I think if he's able to maintain what he's done,
there's a good chance he ends up with some hardware.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Do you have a de Grom Jersey yet, Joe, I
don't somebody sent me one.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, well, you're gonna have enough money.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I after if this bet cash is because you have
enough invested into gram this season.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Well, shround us out here.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
You have a couple of really interesting long shots you've
given us so far this season. He had the Crochet
to lead the MLB and K's show Hey to lead
the league in home runs as well.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Eight to one? What have you giving us this week?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yew? This is I gotta say, I think this is
my best market. Of all of these, there's like wishy washy.
This is the one I'm in love with my previous
bets because Crochet I think I gave preseason ten to
one to lead the league in strikeouts, He's tied. And
then last month I gave Sho Hee Otani to lead
the league in homers at eight to one. He is
tied at the top and two above Judge right now.

(38:12):
So I feel I really love this market. I will
say it's a little bit tougher because books are giving
you less of these fun ones like I went and
looked today and I couldn't even jump on in any
like who's to lead in stolen base? You know. So
I'm getting is the odds in certain places, these bets
are starting to come off, so you're gonna have to
look in different places. So I'm going to an awards

(38:32):
market here for this one, and I don't know what
it's gonna look like in a couple months of what
we'll have available, but I think this is kind of
right for the picking and Joe he had talked about this,
and I think this is much better odds about a
week ago. But listen, Jack Cacleon is gonna be making
his major league debut today and you can get him
at twelve to one at least on Fandle. Odds are
probably probably waiving anywhere from ten to maybe fifteen across

(38:55):
different books. He's obviously not making his debut, you know,
two months after the rest of these guys, or he
hadn't made it so far at this point of the season,
so he is statistically behind. But guess what. Both of
these markets in the AL and NL, they're open, and
I know it doesn't feel open as great as Jacob
Wilson has been categorically his from a staff market, it's

(39:17):
really really low and he can hit. He get end
up hitting like three ten or three fifteen, But it's
still going to be with like eight homers and four
stolen bases and low runs and low RB guys on
a team that's going to kind of stink. What if
the Royals bounce back. What if the Royals do get
and sneak into the division with an MVP type candidate
like Bobby Witt. It might be due to some of

(39:38):
Jack Haglillin. Kaglilan is going to put up monster numbers.
He's got a big chase rate that's worrisome. But Christian
Campbell looks like he has put himself out of this market.
Cam Smith put himself out of the market. These are
guys that have been up since day one. It's only
Jacob Wilson. So you're making one big fight for a
guy and a team that is not going to win
and puts up low counting stats. I think the A

(40:00):
Rookie of the Year market has some vulnerability and Jack
Cagleon can put up the type of stats and convault
this team up. One of the worst offenses in baseball
to even have a perceived bigger feel, much bigger feel
to voters here. So twelve to one, I think Jack
Caglion is a pretty decent bet to jump in on
right now, So I think that's where I would go
with my deep bet.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Love it real quick, Welsh, Can you just put in
perspective for us, like what caliber of prospect we're looking
at here with Jack? Is this someone that's on like
the Mike Trout or the level of some of these
other prospects we've seen coming in the last few years.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Or is he just in different category all by himself.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
No, I mean I think he's in the upper echelon.
Like if you were to look over the I'm trying
and complete blank to last year, but like he's the
most exciting prospect this season, and that's over all the
hype we built up or guys like Nick Kurtz, right,
I would even say over Christian Campbell at this point. Now,
is he going to be better? I don't know, because
he has I think he walks in and I know

(41:01):
this sounds ridiculous, He's gonna walk in as one of
the top ten or fifteen biggest power hitters in baseball. Wow,
right now? Right now? Like that's his power. It's like
an eighty seventy grade power. Guy hits five hundred foot homers.
He is cut down his strikeouts, which is great. He's
making more contact. He hit at both levels, hitting over
three hundred, and he's learning to play defensively outfield and

(41:22):
first base. And this guy, by the way, he was
pitching last year in the college. He was pitching the
Gators last year. So this is a two way player
that was in college at this point last season. So like,
this is a huge, huge prospect, but it can go
either way. It could taper down because he's got bad
with rate chase rate stuff that if he ends up

(41:42):
hitting two ten it wouldn't be a surprise. But also
it could be on the level of, like, wow, this
guy in four months hits twenty five homers, hits two seventy,
and runs away with the Rookie of the year. So
it's on the scope. It's a very very big name
over the last couple of years that we've seen.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
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