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May 6, 2025 58 mins

If you asked me:

“Brandon, what ideas have most impacted your life?”

I’d give two answers:


These two concepts unlock the ability to:

  1. Build a life doing the things you love the most 
  2. With the people that bring you the most energy

I’ve gone deep on Find Your Four™ already… but today is an opportunity to go SUPER deep on +2 Energy.

On the surface, it’s a very simple concept:

After every interaction you have, rate your ENERGY level from -2 to +2.

You’ll start to notice several things:

  • When you feel +2 energy from someone, they most likely feel +2 energy from you
  • Therefore, anyone ELSE that YOU feel +2 energy from, that same person will also likely feel +2 energy (and vice versa)
  • When you connect +2 humans to other +2 humans, EVERYONE wins

This simple concept has literally created an energy vortex of transformational humans.

So much so that most people that operate in the “+2 World” are often receiving 10 or more incredibly transformational intros every single week.

  • Randy introduced me to Jennifer
  • I introduced Braxton to Yasmina. 
  • I introduced Randy to Yasmina.
  • Yasmina introduced Braxton to Jennifer.
  • Jennifer introduced Braxton to Randy.

TLDR = everyone got connected to everyone, all off of the basis of +2 energy.

Because this is such an important concept, that I talk about all the time, I wanted a deep dive “Masterclass” on this subject that covers perspectives from how people have implemented this concept.

So, I brought on THREE of the humans most responsible for transforming my life with this concept:

  • Randy Molland
  • Mark Fujiwara
  • Jennifer Hill

I can’t wait for you to listen… and even better IMPLEMENT this concept.

It’s truly changed so many people’s lives, so I’d be honored to introduce it to you ❤️

Show Notes Generated With The Help of AI!

00:00 - Introduction to Beyond Curious and today's guests, Randy Molland, Jennifer Hill, and Mark Fujiwara

Brandon Fong shares a heartfelt intro to three of the most influential people in his life, teasing the transformative “plus two” concept that has reshaped his energy, fulfillment, and relationships. He forgoes formal bios to speak from personal experience, expressing deep gratitude and excitement for this powerful conversation.

01:05 - Introducing Randy Molland and the "Plus Two" concept

Brandon describes Randy as the lead domino in introducing him to both the plus two concept and the other two guests. He highlights how Randy’s energy and connections radically influenced his podcast and life.

02:04 - Introducing Mark Fujiwara and Jennifer Hill

Brandon introduces Mark as a soulful brother in the wealth management space who’s transitioning to purpose-driven “Ikigai” work. He introduces Jen as a spiritually attuned super-connector and founder of OptiMatch, whose influence has shaped countless episodes of the show.

06:30 - The origin of the "Plus Two" concept from a Tim Ferriss podcast

Mark shares how he discovered the plus two energy scale through Jim Collins on Tim Ferriss’ podcast, and how he adapted it to track his energy in 15-minute increments, eventually discovering how deeply negative interactions affected his energy at home with his daughter.

10:49 - Randy on operationalizing the Plus Two concept in networking

Randy recounts how he simplified Mark’s system to assess people energetically after meetings and categorized them in his CRM from minus...

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