August 10, 2024 • 35 mins
Crystal Welch and Anne Cuckoldress team up to discuss the challenges of finding the right bull, share stories of their cuckolding experiences, and provide tips and insights to aspiring bulls.
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We have some of our most fun at restaurants where I'll sit on
the same table with my lover and, and bitch, it'll be across
the table and I'll order drinks for us and make it obvious like
I'll have this, my boyfriend will have this and my husband
over there will have that. And then just wait, you know,
it's just, most servers are verygracious and they, they just
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distinctly try not to react in the moment.
But you know, 5 minutes later you'll see how all the other
servers in the restaurant looking over at us like, Oh my
God, you know, and that is so much fun, so much fun for us.
It's it's what makes this so much fun.
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Hey everybody, I just wanted to give you a quick notice.
I am starting to offer a one-on-one coaching session.
It's called Ask Crystal, it is coaching for individuals and
couples as they explore ethical non monogamy.
Whatever your dynamic is, I've been living in this dynamic for
10 years and I've learned a ton.And I hope to share some of that
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wisdom with you in the hopes that it will help you.
So you'll get the details in theshow notes and I hope to see you
there. Hello everybody, Crystal Welch
here and I am very excited to announce this is our maiden
voyage with my Co host and cuckoldrus.
She's a friend that I've known for a while and she's just as so
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much fun to talk to. We decided to do this together.
So in this session, we're going to be just discussing a topic
that's very prominent with most cuck couples and that is how to
find a quality bull or lover or whatever it is that you refer to
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them as. I don't know a single cut couple
that doesn't struggle with this issue.
I hope that it's informative andhelpful for couples as well as
bulls that might be listening. Welcome, Anne.
Thank you, Crystal, it's fun to be here again, so really looking
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forward to this conversation. I sort of formulated four key
ideas that I think get in the way or make it difficult to find
quality bulls. So the first one that I landed
on is I would challenge men thatwant to relate to cuckold
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couples specifically. We're different than swingers.
And if you're not sure what thatis, then that would be a good
place to start. But my first suggestion would be
is to check your assumptions. Don't assume you know what we
want. Don't assume that we are just
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like other couples that you've been with.
Check your assumptions. Because literally every single
couple that I know, they have their own specific wants and
needs and the types of people and the types of relating that
they work best with. And so your first and primary
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job is to find out what that is.Because first of all, it may not
comport with what you want. Just don't make any assumptions
when you're meeting a new and I'm speaking about cuckold
couples specifically. When you're meeting a new cuck
couple, please don't bring any assumptions to the table.
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It's your job to ask quality questions and find out who they
are, what they want, how they like to interact.
Are they just like kind of the one and done situation they or
they want something more of a quality friendship where you can
socialize together and maybe create something longer term?
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You know, there's no right answer to that, but it is your
job to find out if what you are available for comports with what
they want. And I think this gets missed way
too often. And what do you think?
I mean, I tend to agree, but sometimes when and I'm, you
know, looking for that person toadd to our dynamic, when I start
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immediately with labels, say I'mlooking for a bowl and this is
what I want. It tends to not always work that
way because there are men who just want a relationship with a
couple and they don't understandit enough.
So sometimes I think it works too initially just so you can
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have that meeting and see if there's a chemistry and then
gradually bring them into cuckolding.
Sometimes I find that if there'stoo many parameters and this is
just for me, it may backfire andmaybe scare them off or maybe
they won't want to try because they don't want to take the time
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to learn. So I think there's a lot out
there that they don't know. And so sometimes I think some
gentleman, they see the term cuckolding and they're like,
they may just move on because they aren't used to it.
So that's one of the things I have found.
Some men don't want to be labeled as a bull.
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Like they find that. They find that derogatory
though. They're dominant and they're
very good and bad and they have all that bravado.
But there's something about the term bull that doesn't sit with
them well. I think though, both of those
points are really well taken andI too am averse to labels.
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But so I would ask you this, howthen if you're meeting someone
for the first time and you guys know what you want, how do you
describe what your relationship is and what you're looking for?
Often times I describe it as best I can on the phone because
when I meet men, I have a process.
I don't just, you know, meet fora drink and think something's
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going to happen. You don't have insist on a
conversation on the phone and then meet for coffee.
And yeah, it may take time, but you get to know somebody that
way and you get to know if they're willing to take the time
to get to know you. And often times I'll share my
blog with them and ask them to read like the last few entries
are probably more relevant to where we are today.
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But I want them to understand that because sometimes you can
only explain so much. Sometimes though, I also feel I
give him way too much information at first and then it
scares him away, you know? So I think it just depends on
the person. And if I can't have a
conversation with them, it's probably not going to go
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anywhere. Right.
But one example to your point, just the other week, somebody
that we had talked to like two years ago reaches out out of the
blue and we never did get together with schedules and
whatnot. And he's like, he reached out
and he said, you know, we reallyhave unfinished business.
And I'm like, So what do you have in mind?
And he said, well, I want a cuckold session where he's caged
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up and taking pics of me pleasuring you.
And I had to correct him. I'm like, wait, wait a minute.
Like, you know, he's setting thescene without asking any
questions. He's just assuming that he's
just. That's the problem is sometimes
you say something and they want to set the scene.
Yeah, So that's how it goes in real life.
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And so when I say check your assumptions, I mean even your
assumptions about what you thinka cuckold couple is, even if
they don't use cuckold couple. But I do expect any lover that
I'm going to actually engage with I, I do expect them to be
curious about that and ask some questions because what we do and
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what we like and how we like to interact may not be at all what
you're looking for. For instance, in our, in our
case, I agree with Anne completely.
If I can't openly talk to you and share good conversation and
some laughs, you know, I'm much more interested in how you tick
and how I feel when I'm with you.
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And if I can't get a read on that because you're closed or
you're, you're not curious aboutanything, I can't tell you how
many people I've met that didn'thave a shred of curiosity.
They just had it seemed to me like they just had an agenda
that they were going to get a piece of butt and you know, call
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it good and it doesn't lead to agood experience.
So I have to I have to talk to them And you know, it's
basically it gets down to how doI feel when I'm with you?
How do I feel when I'm talking to you?
If if there's not some electricity, some humor, some
intelligence, it's off the tablefor me.
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And it's up to you know, that's a two way St.
We both have to add to that. But when you when you come to
this table over here with no curiosity and preset ideas about
what you think we are, you're probably not going to even clear
first base. Yeah, I I tend to agree.
But sometimes you get caught in that spot where you have this
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physical and intellectual chemistry with someone and
they're not willing to go all the way in the cuckolding
dynamic, but you still want to engage with them because as a
cuckoldress leaving and you know, meeting up with someone as
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a cuckoldress without telling James, but telling him when I
get home, there's a piece of that that that is very hot to
us. But I still want this person to
engage with us as a couple, whether James is there or not.
You know, I want that interaction.
I mean, that turns me on. I like when my gentleman lovers
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reach out to James, especially without me asking.
You should check in with James, like let him know like what
you're thinking like this, right?
So, you know, my whole thing is finding the men that make me
tick. And hopefully I can bring him
into where we are because it's you and I, we're in locations
where we don't have a lot of resources and right.
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Meaning. Meaning.
So diverse. Sometimes we have a particular.
And sometimes putting labels to things tends to, sometimes it
dilutes kind of the pool of men.And, you know, maybe that's OK.
But if I could find that perfectperson or two, I think it would
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be great. But I think I'll let you know
when I it happens because I've met several gentlemen who want
to engage with us, but they're so their time is so limited.
It's like, how can you find thatperson that's more available so
you can build that dynamic with them together?
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That's one of the key things that sets, I think couples in
our dynamic kind of apart from let's say swingers or that most
couples I and I'm not all, nobody wants exactly the same
thing, but many of us and many of our friends like to have
actual friendships and relationships with the lover and
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we want that too. And there's a process to that.
It's it's no different than if we were just single people and
free dating. I've got to be attracted to you.
I, we have to have something in common.
There has to be easy conversation flow and we both
have to be available for whatever it is we say we want.
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Because I've had the same experience that you have, Anne,
you know where it was just gangbusters and then they end up
with no time or no ability on myvery first point is check your
assumptions. This is the part about being
curious and being really open about what you want and what
you're actually capable of, because they might be two
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different things. What you want and what you're
actually able to deliver may notbe the same.
Second thing is to know yourselfand know what you want and be
honest about what you want and be completely candid about what
you want and communicate it. What I have run into on more
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than one occasion is because we are, we are a Poly flavored
couple, meaning we want to have real relationships with our
lovers. We've had a a few instances
where Rich was just super good friends with him and he and I
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had great chemistry and that's what we want and we're clear
about it. I've had numerous people who
badly wanted to get together with us, but actually, at the
end of the day, they weren't available for that at all.
Either they had too many other commitments or they live too far
away. But they misrepresented.
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Yes, I want that too. I want that.
That's what I want. Yeah, that's what I want.
And then they couldn't come through with the goods.
So it doesn't pay to misrepresent that at all.
Just know who you are and know what you want and communicate it
openly and you'll you're likely to find a couple that matches
what you want if you do that. Right.
And I think sometimes it goes both ways.
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You know, when as a couple, couple as you are seeking,
sometimes you have to have a little flexibility too because
you just don't. Yeah, you can't if you're so
rigid. This whole lifestyle is flex is
about flexibility and giving people a chance too.
Right. And also as far as genuine
connection, I said whether it's Paul, that's all I want is
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genuine connection between JamesI and this person.
Whether you call it Paulie or not, I want, you know, I
appreciate lifelong friendships.I have lovers that I've had for
several years. It's just they're not available
or in different places in their lives, but we're still in touch.
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It's how do you find those that right, the availability goes on.
I think you, that's why I think it's important to have if you
can have a few, at least where I'm at.
No, for sure. I mean, I'll settle for one
right now, but but you're exactly right.
So, and then that leads us rightto point #3 that I had is to
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communicate all of what we've just talked about plus your
boundaries. There are many fewer lovers, I
would say out there that have cuckold experience.
And it's, it's quite new for many of them, if not most of
them. And so we don't take a really
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hard line in the beginning, but I let them know we are married.
He is going to be involved one way or the other.
You know, our ideal situation would be you make an effort to
be friends with him and then youguys can work out how you
interact. I know what Bichard's
preferences are and he's very willing to communicate them
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openly. Like is fluffing a yes or a no?
Is clean up after a yes or a no?If you've got hard limits or
hard a hard boundary about not doing that, that you need to say
that. And that's everybody's, that's
everybody's obligation. Everybody's obligation, you
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know, we all have the same ability to be flexible where we
can be, and only we can decide which items we can and will be
flexible with. But it starts by being willing
to really communicate honestly. Oh for sure.
And I think it when it comes to boundaries, I've never really
had a true conversation with someone about boundaries.
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There might be a question of do you have any hard nose?
But we are tend to be people whoare very flexible and
adventurous and sexually we've tried just about everything.
And I think we welcome challenges and nothing scripted.
But I think those that asked thequestion, you know, do you have
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any hard Nos? I think that's important to get
that communicated on both sides because you can't assume, yeah,
that your lover's going to want to fluff your husband and vice
versa, right? I just like men who are just
open minded and aren't afraid totry new things so.
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That is the that is the ideal Unicorn in our world to open
minded and open minded, adventurous and willing to try
things and and curious about us.You know, curious about us.
All of these things that we've talked about so far today are
the things that lead to really, really good experiences where
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everybody feels honored, everybody feels that their needs
have been met one way or the other way, and everybody leaves
the connection satisfied and happy.
I mean, because it's so much more than just the sex thing.
It's so much more. It's so much more it can be.
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But that's where the good stuff is, you know, to have a good
friend and somebody that you canlaugh with and somebody you can,
you know, go out to dinner with.And, you know, one of our
favorite things is to go in public.
And, you know, I have a strong preference for, in fact, I am
black only. I don't date white guys at all.
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And one of our favorite things is to go in public and I'll be
with my lover holding hands or we'll be arm in arm and you
know, Bitchard will be behind. You know, he chauffeurs us there
and and he just loves it. He loves it.
He just, it just makes his little cuck thing tingle.
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We'll go into restaurants and wehave some of our most fun at
restaurants where I'll sit on the same table with my lover
and, and bitch, it'll be across the table and I'll order drinks
for us and make it obvious like I'll have this, my boyfriend
will have this and my husband over there will have that.
And then just wait. You know, it's just, most
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servers are very gracious and they, they just distinctly
trying not to react in the moment.
But you know, 5 minutes later you'll see how all the other
servers in the restaurant looking over at us like, Oh my
God, you know, and that is so much fun, so much fun for us.
It's it's what makes this so much fun.
It's stuff like that, you know, we like to be in public and so
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it has to be somebody that we can go socialize with and likes
doing that and likes doing that stuff too.
What are some other maybe issuesthat you've had that you found a
solution for, or you found a newway to navigate it?
I don't know if I found a new way to navigate it.
I feel like I'm more clear in communicating and correcting
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people, men, potential lovers, when they have an, you know,
they make assumptions and want to set the stage.
I feel like I'm stronger at saying, look, no, that's not how
it's going to go without pissingthem off and having them walk
away. I'm better about that.
Is it anything new? No, I don't have any magic
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tricks to to share. But I feel like the longer I've
been in this journey, the stronger I've become in.
Just communicating what I want, right?
I don't know if there's any waysthat are more interesting than
others, better ways to go about doing things, whether it be
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communicating or attracting men.You know, I, I do as much as I
can. Sometimes I find I feel like I
have a profile on a swing site and actually it's the same one
on a couple different sites. Sometimes I think it's just too
long, but explains exactly what I want, you know?
And people are going to read it or they're not.
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And the ones that read it are like, yeah, this is what I want.
So it's finding the men that will follow through.
Yeah, that's a big one. That's a hot, hot button.
You're almost in the door right off the bat if you actually took
the time to read, read my profile and can and can feedback
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on some of those things or respond to them, man.
But it's rare. It's rare that I find that it's
rare that men will actually takethe time to actually read a
profile, which astounds me. It just astounds me.
So one of the other hot button items too, is the issue of
dominance or submission. Many, many black men like to or
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play a more dominant role. They see themselves in that way
and, and it's very enjoyable andboth of us are good with that.
But I don't make any assumptionsabout them either.
I always ask, you know, are you dominant?
Do you expect us both to be submissive?
Because I'm not stuff like that.And yeah, not at all.
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But that's another place where I've had a lot of people make
assumptions that I'm automatically, you know, as a
cuckolder. So I'm automatically going to be
submissive and be his little sexslave and and so is Bitchard if
they don't, you know, throw him away completely.
So that's the that power exchange stuff.
We go into quite some depth and so that we're on the same page
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with that because that's an areathat can that can be problematic
if you don't understand who it is that's in front of you.
Right. And I I find that I'm I'm not
submissive, but I like strong, confident lovers.
Who? Can be leaders in bed and but I
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also like that exchange of, you know, no, there's not one person
that's it goes back and forth. You know, it's this chemistry
that, you know, maybe he's initiating something.
I'm initiating something and it goes back and forth to me.
That's but if there are strong men that want to be dominant and
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want me submissive, they should never assume that I think that's
a a place they may take me after.
There's a comfort level and a A level of trust.
Right. That is the exact conversation
that I had with this person recently, that if there's a
certain intimacy between US and if there's some some trust and
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if we have a good friendship andwe've established a good
camaraderie, a skilled person could take me there at least in
the in bed. You know, during my day-to-day
life, I'm never submissive. I mean, just ask my husband.
But that's something that I would play with that with the
right person, but it'd have to be exactly the right person and
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you have to approach it exactly the right way.
Oh, yeah, I, I agree. I think, I mean, I think there's
a point of liking someone who has power and strength and
bravado versus a dominant. There's somebody who's confident
without being a Dom in the wholeBDSM language.
In fact, I went on to Fetlife and I'm like, OK, I'll maybe
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I'll create a profile here, but there were just so many labels
you could associate with. And I'm like, huh, I wonder if
I'm a good, I'm a cuckle dress. I'm going to put my, I'm going
to put the full profile in here and see if I, if it's
interesting enough, you know? Yeah, they have these laundry
lists of labels and you, you have to identify your this or
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you like that. And which is helpful.
I think at least it can start a conversation if people actually
read that. But yeah, you made a good point
that I want to highlight to the difference between being a
strong, confident, assertive man, which I love, versus a
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dominant man that wants to kind of push people around.
That's been my experience. And, and, and that's really
where those are two completely different people.
I agree. The man that has that has the
need to be the Lord and master of the entire household forever
and all time. It probably wouldn't work with
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us, but strong, confident, assertive, I'll tell you another
key to that too. For any bull that might be
interested in this. What works for me is master a
flirt. Man, that's kind of a dying art.
Master the fucking flirt. It's you can't imagine how many
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good things could come your way if you know how to flirt.
Right, I agree. It's like you set up a date with
someone and there's, it's great,but there's no conversation
between the day you talk and then, you know, a week later
it's like, come on, like, can you tell me?
Like you're thinking of me? Even if you're not like your
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your Jack's, your Jack's hard. Like right now you're mourning,
like just getting those like little snippets occasionally.
You have no idea what it does for me.
I Yeah, Well, it's so hot, so wet, don't you?
Don't you think that's most women though?
And I, I don't know why flirtinghas become a dying art, but the
men that are good at it, at it, they have women 12 deep at all
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times. It, it's a, it's a magic thing.
It doesn't cost you anything. It is a it is this art form, I
think that can be mastered, but learning how to be playful and
flirty and TZ that is so hot. I'm exactly the same.
I'm just like I'm an all a puddle for people that know how
to flirt. Now, given that we just said
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that, here's the other thing that doesn't work for me
personally. I don't want to see your Dick
pic unless I ask for it. Don't send me a Dick pic
thinking you're going to get to know me.
I want you to, you know, show methat you can make me laugh.
Show me that you can't be curious.
Show me that you have something to say for yourself.
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Show me a little bit of your personality.
All of those things are much, much more important than your
Dick size. We'll get to that.
Everybody's got a Dick. Not everybody has a flirt.
That's what I'm saying. Well I don't want to see a Dick
Dick pic unless I've seen the Dick and played with the Dick in
person like so. And this is my new best friend.
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It's follow up Dick pics are good and knowing that two of my
a few of my favorite lovers are married, you know, cheater 1,
cheater 2 like covering. I want to refer to them and
they're fantastic. It's just their heart, but they
have amazing Dicks. So when they send me something
it's like I'm thinking of you. I love it like.
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Now see? But see what you just said right
there? And that's a flirt, yeah, 'cause
you already know the Dick and you know the guy and you've had
a good experience with him, you know?
But an unsolicited Dick pic? Why do guys do that?
Stop doing it. Just stop.
Stop doing that. Nobody thinks it's fun or funny.
I don't, and I don't know anybody that does, but they just
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insist upon sending those and, you know, flirt with me instead.
You'll get you much further thansending me a picture of your
Weiner. Right, right.
If we're speaking to the gentleman, the bulls or lovers
or however you define yourself, just be honest in the
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presentation that you give. You know, don't say keep talking
about your bbci. Don't give a shit if your BBC
is. I mean, yeah, I want a large
Dick because I need size, but I don't want to know those
details. I'd rather know what's in your
head. I need to know that brain.
Yes. And if all you're going to talk
about is your Bbci, can assure you.
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Most times when if I have this conversation and we go out for
coffee, I take them to my back seat.
They don't pass the test becausethey want to think that they're
going to satisfy me. But first of all, all they do is
talk about their BBC and then usually that's a red flag.
I should know better, but it's usually not the case.
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Any advice that we could give tomaybe couples that are also
struggling with trying to find the right kind of lover for
them? You know, I think as far as, you
know, couples, obviously some couples, the men, the husbands
do the looking. That's just how it works, you
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know, try to have an open mind. Know that they may not all check
every single box, but maybe theywill eventually.
You know, I think the most important thing is do you have a
chemistry intellectually and physically and see where it
goes. Like have fun.
Can you have fun with this person?
And does this person seem open minded and just take it one step
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at a time? Because if you don't try, you
don't know. Like you'll never know.
And I just think the easiest part is to, if you see someone
that's attractive and they're communicating with you through
whatever site you're using, don't be afraid to take it a
little further and see if they're willing to bend and you
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know, if they're willing to be flexible.
I just feel like if you just shut everyone out because they
don't match your description or they don't ask all the right
questions, you could lose a potential lover or friend.
I think that's, yeah, I think that's really, really solid
advice. And one thing you might consider
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is have like your master list ofthings that must be there.
Like I must be able to talk to you.
You have to have a little bit ofintellectual heft.
It's absolutely a requirement ofmine that you got to make me
laugh. If you're too serious or you
don't have a sense of humor, we probably won't get along.
How you dress and what you do for a living and even your
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availability, you know, I can beflexible with that.
If if the big rocks that are in my bucket get ticked, we can
fill in with all kinds of littlerocks and much can be defined by
the lover. But know what your really core
requirements are and and to the best of your ability.
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See if you match on those thingsand then be flexible just like
Anne said, be flexible on the little rocks because you might
be surprised, you might, you might think something was was a
big rock and it's really just a Little Rock and you might find
something that's really special by being open minded about that.
Yeah, and sometimes I'll. I'll be.
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Frustrated because I'm like, well, he didn't ask me any
questions and so OK, well, if that's the case, maybe I need to
restructure the conversation so that I change up the dialogue so
that I'm offering information and then maybe that'll spark
questions. I mean, sometimes it's like,
well, do you have any questions?And they're going to say, no, I
don't have any questions. So.
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The truth is, they don't even know what to ask.
That's why they don't. Know what to ask?
Yeah, they don't know what to ask.
So, so that's a, that's a really, that's a really helpful
tip is if you're not getting some good curiosity questions
going, then try and provide someinformation and then ask them
how they see that or something like that.
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It might get the conversation going a little deeper so that
you could you could know more about where where you're going
to intersect or not intersect. Well, even if you wanted to have
find something like get a conversation going, well, what
do you do when you're not fucking women?
Like, what do you do like, and Idon't care about your job.
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Like what do you what makes you tick?
Besides, yeah, you know, what doyou do in your?
What are your hobbies? You know I.
Where have you travelled? Yeah, and it's like, well, I
just, I play video games all day.
I'm like cool, like, or what do you do for fitness?
I don't have to. I don't do anything.
Well, to me that's a deal breaker because fitness is
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really important to me. Yeah, yeah.
There's kind and curious ways. Yeah, kind and curious ways to
interject that into conversations, to kind of
excavate who's in front of you. And then maybe they'll pick up
the hint and start asking you some of those questions and then
you're off to the races. But hopefully this has been
helpful for everyone. I think it's an important
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conversation. I appreciate you so much and
for, you know, being willing to contribute your wisdom here
because you've got a lot of it and just thanks, thanks for
participating. That's.
I I really thank you and I'm flattered that you invited me to
join on the conversation and looking forward to what we talk
about next. Our dear producer gave us a list
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of questions because he's in a in a cut group and they fished
out about 10 really good questions.
So we've got we've got material to cover.
So we'll be covering some of those topics on next time.
But thank you for being here andit's been really fun and
hopefully it's been helpful for our listeners.
OK, thank you. Till next time.
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Bye.
We have some of our most fun at restaurants where I'll sit on
the same table with my lover and, and bitch, it'll be across
the table and I'll order drinks for us and make it obvious like
I'll have this, my boyfriend will have this and my husband
over there will have that. And then just wait, you know,
it's just, most servers are verygracious and they, they just
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distinctly try not to react in the moment.
But you know, 5 minutes later you'll see how all the other
servers in the restaurant looking over at us like, Oh my
God, you know, and that is so much fun, so much fun for us.
It's it's what makes this so much fun.
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Hey everybody, I just wanted to give you a quick notice.
I am starting to offer a one-on-one coaching session.
It's called Ask Crystal, it is coaching for individuals and
couples as they explore ethical non monogamy.
Whatever your dynamic is, I've been living in this dynamic for
10 years and I've learned a ton.And I hope to share some of that
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wisdom with you in the hopes that it will help you.
So you'll get the details in theshow notes and I hope to see you
there. Hello everybody, Crystal Welch
here and I am very excited to announce this is our maiden
voyage with my Co host and cuckoldrus.
She's a friend that I've known for a while and she's just as so
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much fun to talk to. We decided to do this together.
So in this session, we're going to be just discussing a topic
that's very prominent with most cuck couples and that is how to
find a quality bull or lover or whatever it is that you refer to
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them as. I don't know a single cut couple
that doesn't struggle with this issue.
I hope that it's informative andhelpful for couples as well as
bulls that might be listening. Welcome, Anne.
Thank you, Crystal, it's fun to be here again, so really looking
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forward to this conversation. I sort of formulated four key
ideas that I think get in the way or make it difficult to find
quality bulls. So the first one that I landed
on is I would challenge men thatwant to relate to cuckold
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couples specifically. We're different than swingers.
And if you're not sure what thatis, then that would be a good
place to start. But my first suggestion would be
is to check your assumptions. Don't assume you know what we
want. Don't assume that we are just
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like other couples that you've been with.
Check your assumptions. Because literally every single
couple that I know, they have their own specific wants and
needs and the types of people and the types of relating that
they work best with. And so your first and primary
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job is to find out what that is.Because first of all, it may not
comport with what you want. Just don't make any assumptions
when you're meeting a new and I'm speaking about cuckold
couples specifically. When you're meeting a new cuck
couple, please don't bring any assumptions to the table.
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It's your job to ask quality questions and find out who they
are, what they want, how they like to interact.
Are they just like kind of the one and done situation they or
they want something more of a quality friendship where you can
socialize together and maybe create something longer term?
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You know, there's no right answer to that, but it is your
job to find out if what you are available for comports with what
they want. And I think this gets missed way
too often. And what do you think?
I mean, I tend to agree, but sometimes when and I'm, you
know, looking for that person toadd to our dynamic, when I start
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immediately with labels, say I'mlooking for a bowl and this is
what I want. It tends to not always work that
way because there are men who just want a relationship with a
couple and they don't understandit enough.
So sometimes I think it works too initially just so you can
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have that meeting and see if there's a chemistry and then
gradually bring them into cuckolding.
Sometimes I find that if there'stoo many parameters and this is
just for me, it may backfire andmaybe scare them off or maybe
they won't want to try because they don't want to take the time
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to learn. So I think there's a lot out
there that they don't know. And so sometimes I think some
gentleman, they see the term cuckolding and they're like,
they may just move on because they aren't used to it.
So that's one of the things I have found.
Some men don't want to be labeled as a bull.
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Like they find that. They find that derogatory
though. They're dominant and they're
very good and bad and they have all that bravado.
But there's something about the term bull that doesn't sit with
them well. I think though, both of those
points are really well taken andI too am averse to labels.
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But so I would ask you this, howthen if you're meeting someone
for the first time and you guys know what you want, how do you
describe what your relationship is and what you're looking for?
Often times I describe it as best I can on the phone because
when I meet men, I have a process.
I don't just, you know, meet fora drink and think something's
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going to happen. You don't have insist on a
conversation on the phone and then meet for coffee.
And yeah, it may take time, but you get to know somebody that
way and you get to know if they're willing to take the time
to get to know you. And often times I'll share my
blog with them and ask them to read like the last few entries
are probably more relevant to where we are today.
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But I want them to understand that because sometimes you can
only explain so much. Sometimes though, I also feel I
give him way too much information at first and then it
scares him away, you know? So I think it just depends on
the person. And if I can't have a
conversation with them, it's probably not going to go
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anywhere. Right.
But one example to your point, just the other week, somebody
that we had talked to like two years ago reaches out out of the
blue and we never did get together with schedules and
whatnot. And he's like, he reached out
and he said, you know, we reallyhave unfinished business.
And I'm like, So what do you have in mind?
And he said, well, I want a cuckold session where he's caged
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up and taking pics of me pleasuring you.
And I had to correct him. I'm like, wait, wait a minute.
Like, you know, he's setting thescene without asking any
questions. He's just assuming that he's
just. That's the problem is sometimes
you say something and they want to set the scene.
Yeah, So that's how it goes in real life.
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And so when I say check your assumptions, I mean even your
assumptions about what you thinka cuckold couple is, even if
they don't use cuckold couple. But I do expect any lover that
I'm going to actually engage with I, I do expect them to be
curious about that and ask some questions because what we do and
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what we like and how we like to interact may not be at all what
you're looking for. For instance, in our, in our
case, I agree with Anne completely.
If I can't openly talk to you and share good conversation and
some laughs, you know, I'm much more interested in how you tick
and how I feel when I'm with you.
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And if I can't get a read on that because you're closed or
you're, you're not curious aboutanything, I can't tell you how
many people I've met that didn'thave a shred of curiosity.
They just had it seemed to me like they just had an agenda
that they were going to get a piece of butt and you know, call
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it good and it doesn't lead to agood experience.
So I have to I have to talk to them And you know, it's
basically it gets down to how doI feel when I'm with you?
How do I feel when I'm talking to you?
If if there's not some electricity, some humor, some
intelligence, it's off the tablefor me.
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And it's up to you know, that's a two way St.
We both have to add to that. But when you when you come to
this table over here with no curiosity and preset ideas about
what you think we are, you're probably not going to even clear
first base. Yeah, I I tend to agree.
But sometimes you get caught in that spot where you have this
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physical and intellectual chemistry with someone and
they're not willing to go all the way in the cuckolding
dynamic, but you still want to engage with them because as a
cuckoldress leaving and you know, meeting up with someone as
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a cuckoldress without telling James, but telling him when I
get home, there's a piece of that that that is very hot to
us. But I still want this person to
engage with us as a couple, whether James is there or not.
You know, I want that interaction.
I mean, that turns me on. I like when my gentleman lovers
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reach out to James, especially without me asking.
You should check in with James, like let him know like what
you're thinking like this, right?
So, you know, my whole thing is finding the men that make me
tick. And hopefully I can bring him
into where we are because it's you and I, we're in locations
where we don't have a lot of resources and right.
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Meaning. Meaning.
So diverse. Sometimes we have a particular.
And sometimes putting labels to things tends to, sometimes it
dilutes kind of the pool of men.And, you know, maybe that's OK.
But if I could find that perfectperson or two, I think it would
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be great. But I think I'll let you know
when I it happens because I've met several gentlemen who want
to engage with us, but they're so their time is so limited.
It's like, how can you find thatperson that's more available so
you can build that dynamic with them together?
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That's one of the key things that sets, I think couples in
our dynamic kind of apart from let's say swingers or that most
couples I and I'm not all, nobody wants exactly the same
thing, but many of us and many of our friends like to have
actual friendships and relationships with the lover and
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we want that too. And there's a process to that.
It's it's no different than if we were just single people and
free dating. I've got to be attracted to you.
I, we have to have something in common.
There has to be easy conversation flow and we both
have to be available for whatever it is we say we want.
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Because I've had the same experience that you have, Anne,
you know where it was just gangbusters and then they end up
with no time or no ability on myvery first point is check your
assumptions. This is the part about being
curious and being really open about what you want and what
you're actually capable of, because they might be two
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different things. What you want and what you're
actually able to deliver may notbe the same.
Second thing is to know yourselfand know what you want and be
honest about what you want and be completely candid about what
you want and communicate it. What I have run into on more
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than one occasion is because we are, we are a Poly flavored
couple, meaning we want to have real relationships with our
lovers. We've had a a few instances
where Rich was just super good friends with him and he and I
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had great chemistry and that's what we want and we're clear
about it. I've had numerous people who
badly wanted to get together with us, but actually, at the
end of the day, they weren't available for that at all.
Either they had too many other commitments or they live too far
away. But they misrepresented.
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Yes, I want that too. I want that.
That's what I want. Yeah, that's what I want.
And then they couldn't come through with the goods.
So it doesn't pay to misrepresent that at all.
Just know who you are and know what you want and communicate it
openly and you'll you're likely to find a couple that matches
what you want if you do that. Right.
And I think sometimes it goes both ways.
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You know, when as a couple, couple as you are seeking,
sometimes you have to have a little flexibility too because
you just don't. Yeah, you can't if you're so
rigid. This whole lifestyle is flex is
about flexibility and giving people a chance too.
Right. And also as far as genuine
connection, I said whether it's Paul, that's all I want is
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genuine connection between JamesI and this person.
Whether you call it Paulie or not, I want, you know, I
appreciate lifelong friendships.I have lovers that I've had for
several years. It's just they're not available
or in different places in their lives, but we're still in touch.
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It's how do you find those that right, the availability goes on.
I think you, that's why I think it's important to have if you
can have a few, at least where I'm at.
No, for sure. I mean, I'll settle for one
right now, but but you're exactly right.
So, and then that leads us rightto point #3 that I had is to
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communicate all of what we've just talked about plus your
boundaries. There are many fewer lovers, I
would say out there that have cuckold experience.
And it's, it's quite new for many of them, if not most of
them. And so we don't take a really
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hard line in the beginning, but I let them know we are married.
He is going to be involved one way or the other.
You know, our ideal situation would be you make an effort to
be friends with him and then youguys can work out how you
interact. I know what Bichard's
preferences are and he's very willing to communicate them
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openly. Like is fluffing a yes or a no?
Is clean up after a yes or a no?If you've got hard limits or
hard a hard boundary about not doing that, that you need to say
that. And that's everybody's, that's
everybody's obligation. Everybody's obligation, you
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know, we all have the same ability to be flexible where we
can be, and only we can decide which items we can and will be
flexible with. But it starts by being willing
to really communicate honestly. Oh for sure.
And I think it when it comes to boundaries, I've never really
had a true conversation with someone about boundaries.
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There might be a question of do you have any hard nose?
But we are tend to be people whoare very flexible and
adventurous and sexually we've tried just about everything.
And I think we welcome challenges and nothing scripted.
But I think those that asked thequestion, you know, do you have
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any hard Nos? I think that's important to get
that communicated on both sides because you can't assume, yeah,
that your lover's going to want to fluff your husband and vice
versa, right? I just like men who are just
open minded and aren't afraid totry new things so.
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That is the that is the ideal Unicorn in our world to open
minded and open minded, adventurous and willing to try
things and and curious about us.You know, curious about us.
All of these things that we've talked about so far today are
the things that lead to really, really good experiences where
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everybody feels honored, everybody feels that their needs
have been met one way or the other way, and everybody leaves
the connection satisfied and happy.
I mean, because it's so much more than just the sex thing.
It's so much more. It's so much more it can be.
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But that's where the good stuff is, you know, to have a good
friend and somebody that you canlaugh with and somebody you can,
you know, go out to dinner with.And, you know, one of our
favorite things is to go in public.
And, you know, I have a strong preference for, in fact, I am
black only. I don't date white guys at all.
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And one of our favorite things is to go in public and I'll be
with my lover holding hands or we'll be arm in arm and you
know, Bitchard will be behind. You know, he chauffeurs us there
and and he just loves it. He loves it.
He just, it just makes his little cuck thing tingle.
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We'll go into restaurants and wehave some of our most fun at
restaurants where I'll sit on the same table with my lover
and, and bitch, it'll be across the table and I'll order drinks
for us and make it obvious like I'll have this, my boyfriend
will have this and my husband over there will have that.
And then just wait. You know, it's just, most
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servers are very gracious and they, they just distinctly
trying not to react in the moment.
But you know, 5 minutes later you'll see how all the other
servers in the restaurant looking over at us like, Oh my
God, you know, and that is so much fun, so much fun for us.
It's it's what makes this so much fun.
It's stuff like that, you know, we like to be in public and so
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it has to be somebody that we can go socialize with and likes
doing that and likes doing that stuff too.
What are some other maybe issuesthat you've had that you found a
solution for, or you found a newway to navigate it?
I don't know if I found a new way to navigate it.
I feel like I'm more clear in communicating and correcting
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people, men, potential lovers, when they have an, you know,
they make assumptions and want to set the stage.
I feel like I'm stronger at saying, look, no, that's not how
it's going to go without pissingthem off and having them walk
away. I'm better about that.
Is it anything new? No, I don't have any magic
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tricks to to share. But I feel like the longer I've
been in this journey, the stronger I've become in.
Just communicating what I want, right?
I don't know if there's any waysthat are more interesting than
others, better ways to go about doing things, whether it be
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communicating or attracting men.You know, I, I do as much as I
can. Sometimes I find I feel like I
have a profile on a swing site and actually it's the same one
on a couple different sites. Sometimes I think it's just too
long, but explains exactly what I want, you know?
And people are going to read it or they're not.
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And the ones that read it are like, yeah, this is what I want.
So it's finding the men that will follow through.
Yeah, that's a big one. That's a hot, hot button.
You're almost in the door right off the bat if you actually took
the time to read, read my profile and can and can feedback
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on some of those things or respond to them, man.
But it's rare. It's rare that I find that it's
rare that men will actually takethe time to actually read a
profile, which astounds me. It just astounds me.
So one of the other hot button items too, is the issue of
dominance or submission. Many, many black men like to or
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play a more dominant role. They see themselves in that way
and, and it's very enjoyable andboth of us are good with that.
But I don't make any assumptionsabout them either.
I always ask, you know, are you dominant?
Do you expect us both to be submissive?
Because I'm not stuff like that.And yeah, not at all.
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But that's another place where I've had a lot of people make
assumptions that I'm automatically, you know, as a
cuckolder. So I'm automatically going to be
submissive and be his little sexslave and and so is Bitchard if
they don't, you know, throw him away completely.
So that's the that power exchange stuff.
We go into quite some depth and so that we're on the same page
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with that because that's an areathat can that can be problematic
if you don't understand who it is that's in front of you.
Right. And I I find that I'm I'm not
submissive, but I like strong, confident lovers.
Who? Can be leaders in bed and but I
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also like that exchange of, you know, no, there's not one person
that's it goes back and forth. You know, it's this chemistry
that, you know, maybe he's initiating something.
I'm initiating something and it goes back and forth to me.
That's but if there are strong men that want to be dominant and
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want me submissive, they should never assume that I think that's
a a place they may take me after.
There's a comfort level and a A level of trust.
Right. That is the exact conversation
that I had with this person recently, that if there's a
certain intimacy between US and if there's some some trust and
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if we have a good friendship andwe've established a good
camaraderie, a skilled person could take me there at least in
the in bed. You know, during my day-to-day
life, I'm never submissive. I mean, just ask my husband.
But that's something that I would play with that with the
right person, but it'd have to be exactly the right person and
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you have to approach it exactly the right way.
Oh, yeah, I, I agree. I think, I mean, I think there's
a point of liking someone who has power and strength and
bravado versus a dominant. There's somebody who's confident
without being a Dom in the wholeBDSM language.
In fact, I went on to Fetlife and I'm like, OK, I'll maybe
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I'll create a profile here, but there were just so many labels
you could associate with. And I'm like, huh, I wonder if
I'm a good, I'm a cuckle dress. I'm going to put my, I'm going
to put the full profile in here and see if I, if it's
interesting enough, you know? Yeah, they have these laundry
lists of labels and you, you have to identify your this or
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you like that. And which is helpful.
I think at least it can start a conversation if people actually
read that. But yeah, you made a good point
that I want to highlight to the difference between being a
strong, confident, assertive man, which I love, versus a
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dominant man that wants to kind of push people around.
That's been my experience. And, and, and that's really
where those are two completely different people.
I agree. The man that has that has the
need to be the Lord and master of the entire household forever
and all time. It probably wouldn't work with
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us, but strong, confident, assertive, I'll tell you another
key to that too. For any bull that might be
interested in this. What works for me is master a
flirt. Man, that's kind of a dying art.
Master the fucking flirt. It's you can't imagine how many
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good things could come your way if you know how to flirt.
Right, I agree. It's like you set up a date with
someone and there's, it's great,but there's no conversation
between the day you talk and then, you know, a week later
it's like, come on, like, can you tell me?
Like you're thinking of me? Even if you're not like your
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your Jack's, your Jack's hard. Like right now you're mourning,
like just getting those like little snippets occasionally.
You have no idea what it does for me.
I Yeah, Well, it's so hot, so wet, don't you?
Don't you think that's most women though?
And I, I don't know why flirtinghas become a dying art, but the
men that are good at it, at it, they have women 12 deep at all
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times. It, it's a, it's a magic thing.
It doesn't cost you anything. It is a it is this art form, I
think that can be mastered, but learning how to be playful and
flirty and TZ that is so hot. I'm exactly the same.
I'm just like I'm an all a puddle for people that know how
to flirt. Now, given that we just said
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that, here's the other thing that doesn't work for me
personally. I don't want to see your Dick
pic unless I ask for it. Don't send me a Dick pic
thinking you're going to get to know me.
I want you to, you know, show methat you can make me laugh.
Show me that you can't be curious.
Show me that you have something to say for yourself.
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Show me a little bit of your personality.
All of those things are much, much more important than your
Dick size. We'll get to that.
Everybody's got a Dick. Not everybody has a flirt.
That's what I'm saying. Well I don't want to see a Dick
Dick pic unless I've seen the Dick and played with the Dick in
person like so. And this is my new best friend.
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It's follow up Dick pics are good and knowing that two of my
a few of my favorite lovers are married, you know, cheater 1,
cheater 2 like covering. I want to refer to them and
they're fantastic. It's just their heart, but they
have amazing Dicks. So when they send me something
it's like I'm thinking of you. I love it like.
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Now see? But see what you just said right
there? And that's a flirt, yeah, 'cause
you already know the Dick and you know the guy and you've had
a good experience with him, you know?
But an unsolicited Dick pic? Why do guys do that?
Stop doing it. Just stop.
Stop doing that. Nobody thinks it's fun or funny.
I don't, and I don't know anybody that does, but they just
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insist upon sending those and, you know, flirt with me instead.
You'll get you much further thansending me a picture of your
Weiner. Right, right.
If we're speaking to the gentleman, the bulls or lovers
or however you define yourself, just be honest in the
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presentation that you give. You know, don't say keep talking
about your bbci. Don't give a shit if your BBC
is. I mean, yeah, I want a large
Dick because I need size, but I don't want to know those
details. I'd rather know what's in your
head. I need to know that brain.
Yes. And if all you're going to talk
about is your Bbci, can assure you.
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Most times when if I have this conversation and we go out for
coffee, I take them to my back seat.
They don't pass the test becausethey want to think that they're
going to satisfy me. But first of all, all they do is
talk about their BBC and then usually that's a red flag.
I should know better, but it's usually not the case.
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Any advice that we could give tomaybe couples that are also
struggling with trying to find the right kind of lover for
them? You know, I think as far as, you
know, couples, obviously some couples, the men, the husbands
do the looking. That's just how it works, you
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know, try to have an open mind. Know that they may not all check
every single box, but maybe theywill eventually.
You know, I think the most important thing is do you have a
chemistry intellectually and physically and see where it
goes. Like have fun.
Can you have fun with this person?
And does this person seem open minded and just take it one step
(30:19):
at a time? Because if you don't try, you
don't know. Like you'll never know.
And I just think the easiest part is to, if you see someone
that's attractive and they're communicating with you through
whatever site you're using, don't be afraid to take it a
little further and see if they're willing to bend and you
(30:42):
know, if they're willing to be flexible.
I just feel like if you just shut everyone out because they
don't match your description or they don't ask all the right
questions, you could lose a potential lover or friend.
I think that's, yeah, I think that's really, really solid
advice. And one thing you might consider
(31:02):
is have like your master list ofthings that must be there.
Like I must be able to talk to you.
You have to have a little bit ofintellectual heft.
It's absolutely a requirement ofmine that you got to make me
laugh. If you're too serious or you
don't have a sense of humor, we probably won't get along.
How you dress and what you do for a living and even your
(31:26):
availability, you know, I can beflexible with that.
If if the big rocks that are in my bucket get ticked, we can
fill in with all kinds of littlerocks and much can be defined by
the lover. But know what your really core
requirements are and and to the best of your ability.
(31:47):
See if you match on those thingsand then be flexible just like
Anne said, be flexible on the little rocks because you might
be surprised, you might, you might think something was was a
big rock and it's really just a Little Rock and you might find
something that's really special by being open minded about that.
Yeah, and sometimes I'll. I'll be.
(32:08):
Frustrated because I'm like, well, he didn't ask me any
questions and so OK, well, if that's the case, maybe I need to
restructure the conversation so that I change up the dialogue so
that I'm offering information and then maybe that'll spark
questions. I mean, sometimes it's like,
well, do you have any questions?And they're going to say, no, I
don't have any questions. So.
(32:32):
The truth is, they don't even know what to ask.
That's why they don't. Know what to ask?
Yeah, they don't know what to ask.
So, so that's a, that's a really, that's a really helpful
tip is if you're not getting some good curiosity questions
going, then try and provide someinformation and then ask them
how they see that or something like that.
(32:53):
It might get the conversation going a little deeper so that
you could you could know more about where where you're going
to intersect or not intersect. Well, even if you wanted to have
find something like get a conversation going, well, what
do you do when you're not fucking women?
Like, what do you do like, and Idon't care about your job.
(33:14):
Like what do you what makes you tick?
Besides, yeah, you know, what doyou do in your?
What are your hobbies? You know I.
Where have you travelled? Yeah, and it's like, well, I
just, I play video games all day.
I'm like cool, like, or what do you do for fitness?
I don't have to. I don't do anything.
Well, to me that's a deal breaker because fitness is
(33:35):
really important to me. Yeah, yeah.
There's kind and curious ways. Yeah, kind and curious ways to
interject that into conversations, to kind of
excavate who's in front of you. And then maybe they'll pick up
the hint and start asking you some of those questions and then
you're off to the races. But hopefully this has been
helpful for everyone. I think it's an important
(33:55):
conversation. I appreciate you so much and
for, you know, being willing to contribute your wisdom here
because you've got a lot of it and just thanks, thanks for
participating. That's.
I I really thank you and I'm flattered that you invited me to
join on the conversation and looking forward to what we talk
about next. Our dear producer gave us a list
(34:18):
of questions because he's in a in a cut group and they fished
out about 10 really good questions.
So we've got we've got material to cover.
So we'll be covering some of those topics on next time.
But thank you for being here andit's been really fun and
hopefully it's been helpful for our listeners.
OK, thank you. Till next time.
(34:40):
Bye.
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