June 6, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode of the Beyond Normal Podcast, we sit down with soul singer and creative force Beth Gatlin to explore her inspiring path from personal struggle to musical and community impact. Beth opens up about the life experiences that shaped her artistry and how embracing creativity helped her transform pain into purpose.
We also dig into how Beth is using her platform to spark change—through local performances, children’s books, and a nonprofit vision rooted in mental wellness and self-expression. Whether you’re a fellow creative or someone looking to reconnect with your own purpose, this episode offers a heartfelt reminder that our stories, when told honestly, can heal and uplift.
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Kenny (00:39):
Welcome, welcome everybody to another great
episode of The Beyond NormalPodcast.
I'm your host, Kenny Groom.
We have a very special episodeand guest, for those that have
been following our journey.
We have been, connecting, at anincredible coworking space by
the name of Alchemy Coworkinghere in, in the Charlotte, North
(00:59):
Carolina area.
I've been meeting someincredible individuals, and so
for this episode.
I think this is a little bitdifferent than where we normally
typically go.
where we're highlighting there'sa, there's a, there's a primary
focus just on business.
Yeah.
but I've been connecting withsome incredible creatives.
and I have today, Beth Gatlin,she is a, let me, lemme make
(01:22):
sure I get this right.
I want to make sure that I, Isay this right'cause the, the
bio is amazing.
Beth is a soul singer who's,influenced by some really
incredible, singers that we allgrew up listening to.
but she's doing some reallyamazing things in my local area.
And, thinking about like how shecan really build out her brand.
(01:44):
You've got some focus on, thenonprofit space as well that
we're definitely gonna touch ontoday.
But without further ado, Beth,how are you doing today?
Beth (01:53):
I'm great.
I'm happy to be here.
Kenny (01:56):
sounds good.
I we're gonna, we're gonna diveright into, things obviously
this, with this being an episodewhere we're focusing much more
on your creative story.
Can you let us know just alittle bit about, Your
background, like what, what,what drove you to be a, a
(02:17):
creative and musician in thisday and time?
Beth (02:20):
So it's really cool to be on here because, Previously I
wouldn't have thought of being amusician as I own a business.
So it feels really satisfying tobe on a podcast like this, to
talk about it that way.
and what got me here, I've beenasked this question a couple of
times in the last week, and Ilike the answer I've been given
(02:43):
is my life was just awful.
My life was awful and full ofcycles that I did not want to be
in anymore.
And I came to a position where Ineeded to change my life.
And just allow everything tofall apart and rebuild.
And I just was blessed enough tobe in a position where I could
choose anything I wanted to dowithin reason.
(03:05):
that was, authentic to me.
and a musician always called tome, I've always been a singer.
I learned how to play guitar in2021 and had been doing open
mics and I found a little bit ofsuccess with that.
So something in me just said Icould start making some money
from it.
And I've went from there justmaking a little bit of money
(03:26):
here and there to playingfull-time now, two years.
Two years in that.
That is
Kenny (03:31):
amazing to hear because the, the.
The normal thinking that whenpe, when people hear of a
musician is that they're broke.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Decision.
There's money in it.
Starving artists.
And it's, it's, it's reallyinteresting because there is a
whole business around just musicand like maximizing the dollars
(03:52):
that come from it.
And so maybe I, I thinkhistorically, the platforms that
promote the music have.
Probably stripped away a lot ofthat value before it gets to the
musician.
But it feels like we're in atime now where the musician has
a little bit more power.
Like how, how, how are you, howare you feeling about being a
(04:13):
musician and being able to makeyour, make your, make your art
while, while making sure you'regetting, Compensated for it, if
I, I can say that.
Say it that way.
Beth (04:27):
Yeah.
previously, like as I wasgrowing up as a teenager to now,
like in the last three years orso, what I thought about music
was way different.
I don't think we understood justhow little the musician, gets
from all of the big things thatcome their way.
I, I just thought, if you'resinging and performing locally.
(04:50):
It has to be a hobby or a sidehustle.
and there was not, anydirection, unless you went to
places like Nashville and,sought that journey to become
famous.
It was go big or nothing.
and I mean, am I making what Iwant to make right now?
No.
What I'm seeing are doorsopening to places I didn't
realize were there.
(05:11):
it's not just about being amusician.
Ah, it doesn't have to just beabout being a musician.
Like I can be a figure in thecommunity and like I have a
whole creative drawer full ofways to, to be of service in the
community.
And I just happened to getstarted with musicianship and
that gives me.
So many opportunities for likecommunities and, I go visit,
(05:35):
what is it called?
Hope Haven in Charlotte.
I'm able to go and sing thereand, not everything pays, but
opens up more doors for moreopportunities that do pay.
So there's just a networkinggroup, like Alchemy.
Kenny (05:47):
For sure.
For sure.
a shameless plug, there I'm notmad at it.
I, I think it, what you're, whatyou're really speaking on is,
The, the time we're in now.
It used to be, like you said,you'd have to go to like a
Nashville or like a New York to,to have, or like a la to have
(06:07):
like the, what you, the end goalof like the glitz and the
glamor.
Yeah.
it feels like now the technologyand just where we're at now with
music is really this like globalcommunity, right?
Yeah.
Like people can embrace your.
Your music here locally and,where we're at.
(06:28):
Right?
Yeah.
In the alchemy space.
Yeah.
Or they can connect with it, onthe opposite side of the world.
Yeah.
And so that's amazing to, to seesome of these, these shifts
occur where in the past theartists didn't necessarily their
music, I think the music wasstill traveling worldwide, but
(06:49):
it was like the artist wasn'teven aware of.
How big their impact can be.
Yeah.
If that makes sense.
Right.
Like
Beth (06:55):
social media, set it up to where we can control our impact
enough to feel empowered.
And I mean, you never know ifyou're gonna go viral.
You can buy some views andfollowers and things, but you
can watch your impact grow andsee what works and come at
different angles.
And have I went viral?
No.
Not by any means, but.
I think what it is is that wefeel like artists right now, at
(07:19):
least I do, I feel passionateand hopeful and success feels
obtainable.
like reaching out to mycommunity and growing in my
community has empowered me to beable to see what I can do to
branch out into our region, ourstate, like out of country even.
And like you're saying, like.
(07:39):
There's roads now to go, likeyou could go viral on TikTok and
you don't have to go viral, butyou can reach someone over in
China, There's all kinds ofplaces you can touch now.
Without even going viral.
Kenny (07:50):
So yeah,
Beth (07:51):
lots of doors.
Lots of doors that I'd neverthought about.
Kenny (07:54):
That's interesting.
So now that you're, there's someparallels there as you were just
talking, that I want to touch onfirst around.
The business owners, I think nowin terms of like their brand and
like promoting what they'redoing, they're having the same
struggle.
Like it is almost like everybodyhas that experience now that a
(08:17):
artist has, where it's like, howdo I maximize and ensure the
most people are hearing what'emcreated?
Yeah.
Business owners now, whetherthey have a, a business on Main
Street.
they, they own a bar, they own arestaurant, or they own
something in tech.
Like that's something that is abig challenge for folks now.
Like, how do I, how do I use mymegaphone Right?
(08:40):
To, to let the world know likewhat I'm doing.
Yeah.
And so I think people, hearingartists such as yourselves, like
explaining it that way is reallyrelatable.
Now, even for someone likemyself or a lot of the people at
our community here at Alchemy,where they're business owners.
But they're still having toovercome the same things you are
(09:01):
as a a, an up and coming artist.
Beth (09:04):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
I think, I think as, I think anartist.
Is a business owner and abusiness order.
Ah, a business owner isessentially an artist.
Like we're all creatives andit's all coming from that place
inside of us that gives us thevisions and the desires and, is
the driving force.
I think we all have that.
(09:24):
We, whether you call it passionor like a gut intuition,
spiritual, whatever it is, isguiding us.
I think we all, find that commonsource within us.
and I think especially rightnow.
As a business owner or as anartist, there's a real heavy
call for authenticity.
Oh yeah.
Because we can tell thedifference now that we have all
(09:46):
of this access with TikTok andInstagram and people are really
loving it.
And paying attention to it.
We can tell when it's fake.
We can tell when something'soff, even if we can't put words
to it.
Something's off, within, like wecan just feel the lack of
authenticity and withauthenticity comes like this
beautiful way to sort of.
(10:07):
Show the best parts ofourselves, but it's still
truthful.
and it's almost like empoweringin a way, like on your own
personal journey, everythingjust comes together and it lets
you be you.
And there hasn't been anothertime that I know of that, that's
been possible, like on theinternet.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Kenny (10:26):
So you, you, you threw a word out there, which was that,
that stood out to me was,authentic.
and that's a very powerful word.
And you, you touched on thisearlier, as well, where you were
speaking to just your lifeexperiences, what it was.
and it seems like that is acommon thread for musicians,
(10:48):
right?
To take something that's an,could be an uncomfortable,
experience in life, some of thepain that you've experienced,
and then make it into somethingthat's authentic.
That's relatable to people.
Yeah.
So can you talk about a littlebit about, if you don't mind
some of the experiences in yourlife that you may be drawn for
(11:10):
inspiration now?
Yeah, for sure.
Right.
Even if there, at the time itmay have not necessarily been
something, you thought the bestof that experience itself, but
now.
It's allowing you to makeincredible music.
Beth (11:24):
Yeah.
Plenty of things.
so I recently published, alittle ebook called Glow Up
Girl, your Guide toAuthenticity.
So I'll, I'll just go back tosome things I wrote in there.
it's a short, like 15, 20 minuteread, but in it, you get my
story, the gist of it.
(11:44):
the real like heavy hitters ofmy life.
and I talk about.
in the smer of 2018 where I wasjust overcome with mental health
crisis, just depression reallytook over everything.
I was working as a manager.
I was a mom to two.
I was in a very toxicrelationship and just everything
crbled and essentially I said,bye, I gotta go figure this out,
(12:08):
or I'm gonna kill myself.
I mean, I hadn't told anybodyanything at that point, it was
the first time anybody knewsomething was really wrong, and
so.
I end up getting on drugs.
I go on this drug binge for awhile.
and I just thought I was meantto die.
Like just depression really hadits grip on me.
And there's years of differentup and down traas and li little
(12:30):
and big traas and, things thatcould explain it.
But we all have our baggage,right?
Well, the baggage just got toomuch.
and in that is where I just,right as right as I felt like I
was.
At rock bottom and like thegrave was just being dug.
I just found something withinside of myself.
(12:51):
It was just the first time I wasable to turn things around and
say like, oh, I am worthy of adifferent life.
I don't have to stay stuck.
And so as soon as I turnedaround and started seeing the
light and whatever situationcame, I was homeless.
I was.
I was essentially a drug addict,hadn't been arrested or
anything.
(13:12):
but I was on my way to eitherdying or getting arrested'cause
I was making poor choices.
It was just, I could turn myhead and see the positive side
of where I could go for thefirst time.
So I was able to say no.
I was able to ask for help, fromthe right people that could give
me the, the, the little startthat I needed and.
(13:32):
From day one of that journey, Istarted writing songs.
Mm.
And I didn't know how to playguitar.
I didn't know, any, I had nodreams that I would allow myself
to ponder on when it came tomusic.
But from day one, I startedwriting songs.
And then I had a lot of growingto do at that point, coming off
drugs and understanding how totake care of myself mentally.
(13:53):
And from 2018 to 2021.
I was continuing to kind of,lean on the songwriting here and
there when it would come.
And it's funny because as soonas I said I'm gonna really pay
attention to this gift,everything changed that same
year when I decided thatcreativity, deserves a little
attention.
And it was really just a cope.
(14:14):
As soon as I did that,everything changed.
I was able to get out of thetoxic relationship.
It's like something clicked inmy mind.
When I decided to do somethingauthentic to me that was, from
that creative place that a lotof people probably won't ignore
because there's way moreimportant things, right?
But as soon as I said yes tothat, it's like something
clicked inside of me and showedme the way out and to what I
(14:38):
was.
Feeling called to do, whichessentially was music.
Kenny (14:44):
Mm.
Beth (14:44):
Yeah.
And those songs, I still singsome of those songs that I wrote
before I could even play guitar.
I have recorded and released.
That's
Kenny (14:53):
awesome.
Yeah.
That's awesome taking thatexperience there.
And I appreciate you, beingvulnerable with us, and sharing
that part of your life and, andwhat, how you were able to make
it into what you're doing now.
Yeah.
I'm curious.
With the writing the book, likewhat, how does that process
(15:14):
compare for you to writingmusic?
Beth (15:18):
There's like a very similar feeling.
I'm a feeling person more thanI'm a words person, and so
hopefully I can convey what Ireally feel.
and essentially it just likeflows out of me.
I'm a little bit hippie, alittle bit wooo and a lot
spiritual and it just feels likea God thing, honestly.
(15:40):
Like it just comes through me.
'cause, like I can thankthoughts, especially knowing my
anxiety and how that attacks mythoughts and gives me all of
these negative, ideas.
There's a difference in whenthose thought come than when
something comes from like, mygut or my intuition or the
creative flow.
and it all comes from thatplace.
(16:01):
And like sometimes I can beintentional and sit down and be
like, all right, let's do this.
And, I'm partnering with thatcreative flow.
and then other times it justhits me.
I'll wake up and have somethingand I can ride it out right
away, or I'll be in the car andI can just put it on my phone.
Mm.
but it's just about payingattention, like.
I think from hearing otherpeople talk.
(16:23):
What do you think, you're abusiness owner.
Do you feel the difference inyour head and those thoughts and
then that creative flow?
Is there a difference for you oris that just me?
Kenny (16:32):
I definitely am probably much more along.
I'm one of those people where.
Hit.
When it hits me, I want to doit, then I want to like get it
out.
Yeah.
Because I have so many ideas andso I'll forget an idea if I
(16:53):
don't really like explore itenough because I haven't put the
time and the energy into it, andso that's my thinking.
Whereas like if I havesomething.
In that moment and it, and it'slike calling me to explore it
more and I don't explore it.
That meant that it wasn't, itjust wasn't meant to be.
Yeah.
And I'm okay with losing thatthought, but if it's something
(17:14):
where it's like, I'm gonna dropwhat I'm doing right now, and
this thought in my head, I needto actually flesh it out.
I need to write it out.
I need to go to my computer andtake some notes on it.
Yeah.
That's like the best feeling forme.
Yeah.
Getting it out.
And at least like.
going through the process ofacknowledging it, like it may
end up being where you, you, youkind of write these things down
(17:36):
and then you're like, nah, it's,it, it wasn't what I thought it
was.
Yeah.
But at least I, for me, when I,when I go through that process
and dissect it and just like,write out what, what this
thought is, why I'm feel, whyit's in, why it's bubbling up
for me, what does it make mefeel like that going through
that process is what?
(17:59):
That's the exciting part for me.
That's what gives me energy.
Beth (18:01):
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, that definitelyresonates for sure.
It is a, it's a rush.
Kenny (18:06):
Yeah.
The rush of it.
Yeah, the rush of it.
and thinking along the lines oflike the podcasting, like this
has been something where it kindof keeps, like I have a
conversation with somebodyincredible like you, and then it
like.
It feeds more thoughts for me.
(18:27):
Yeah.
It's like food for thought.
Yeah.
And then, so this conversationhere is definitely when I
listen, listen back on it, it'sgonna like spark some even more
ideas for me.
And so it's like thisever-growing tree.
I love it.
Yeah.
Like for podcasting specificallyfor me, this is one of those
areas where it does that for me.
I'm not sure what every,everybody like, to your point,
(18:48):
everybody who's creativeprobably has.
That specific thing that doesthat for them.
Beth (18:53):
Yeah.
Like inspired action.
Yeah.
Inspired action.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So that's
Kenny (18:58):
the, I'm, I'm happy that I found this, like when I found
it right.
Yeah.
because I'm not sure the otheractivities I have, I have had in
my life, or the ones I evencurrently have would, would give
me.
That type of food for thoughtfeeling.
Yeah.
Beth (19:16):
Yeah.
So as far as creatively goes, isit just podcasting or do you
have, like say content creation,does that give you that same, do
you get that inspired actionfrom that, or is it more work?
Kenny (19:29):
So for me it's, it's become more about like
storytelling.
So we're having this dialogue,this back and forth, we're
crafting this story.
And so that's where I think thatcan be applied to areas.
That's why I asked you aboutwriting the book, like I'm
(19:50):
interested in that, but that'snot my forte sitting down and
like actually sitting, sittingthere and like going through
chapter by chapter, writing itout and structuring it.
I'm more the person like.
Let me sit here and have thisamazing conversation and I know
at the end of it, it is gonna begreat.
Yeah, that makes sense.
So, what I mean, like, so it's,it is just one of those things
(20:10):
where I think now there's muchmore focus on like the stories
that people are telling.
Then that allows people to becreative in their own ways.
Yeah, for sure.
Like no matter your creativeelement, you're trying to tell a
story at the end of the day.
Yeah,
Beth (20:24):
definitely.
Like all of the people I've metthrough, the networking groups
and stuff, I wanna know all oftheir stories No matter what
business they're in.
So Yeah, definitely ontosomething for sure.
And then they
Kenny (20:34):
tell you, like, they tell you a, a moment, like when you
tell me, something about yourcareer or just like your life in
general.
Then I'll start to be like,well, where, where was that in
the, in the arc of, of Beth?
Yeah.
Like tell me like where in thestory this was, what did, what
did it do for you?
What did it feel for you?
(20:54):
Right.
Like your life is really amovie.
Like our lives are reallymovies, I think.
Yeah.
Beth (20:58):
I, I definitely live that way.
I, I definitely do.
I'm not dramatic, I don't think.
Maybe my family would say I am,but I don't mean, I don't mean
I'm dramatic, but in my head Ijust want to romanticize
everything and I want to feeleverything.
And sometimes I have to likeforce.
the feelings not force, butcreate the feelings.
(21:20):
if I let the world create thefeelings, they ain't always fun.
Yeah, for sure.
So I, I think I tend to live ina movie inside of my head.
I romanticize everything Ipossibly can.
And if it's hard, I probably ama little dramatic on the inside.
And then I go and be dramaticalone.
Kenny (21:36):
Let
Beth (21:36):
the hard pass for a little bit in my long time and then go
back.
Kenny (21:41):
So let's talk a little bit about, you touched on it
earlier about the.
You just said a wordromanticizing, and you touched
on like dreaming.
Earlier a little bit.
So I'm curious like what, likeyou spent that, that time in
that period in your life, 2018,like you have some thoughts, you
have some dreams, and nowyou're, you're manifesting
(22:02):
those.
I'm curious, like what are youdreaming about now in terms of,
where you'll be in the future?
I'm
Beth (22:08):
so excited to answer.
I'm dreaming.
There's some details for surethat I would love to happen, but
I think now I'm about to turn 34in May, and one thing that I've
learned is it doesn't have to bemy way.
I don't care if things happenthe way that I envision them.
Kenny (22:29):
I
Beth (22:29):
just have a vision because I gotta at least have a
direction to go.
Right.
So right now what I'm dreamingof is not a detail, but I just
want to feel.
I'm flying.
I'm seeing some beautiful thingsand I'm experiencing like higher
parts of success.
if it's singing for thousands ofpeople, amazing if it's doing
(22:53):
what I'm doing, but it's justbeing able to fund my life even
better.
'cause I love my life right now.
I love working like locally andregionally and just building
this beautiful community I getto see every week.
It's amazing.
so if I lived like this and Icould just fund everything I
need to fund, I'm great.
But I wouldn't mind travelingthe world and incorporating more
(23:16):
books.
I wouldn't mind speaking,specifically on my story to like
large rooms full of people.
I think if I could do anythingdifferently right now.
It would be be more intentionalon sharing my story through my
music and having, the light onall of me.
Not just having to separate it.
(23:37):
Sometimes I get to talk andthat's great and I don't wanna
force those opportunities justyet.
I'm working on some ideas, maybethat'll help that.
But I have this like show insidemy mind that I'm hoping to
create where I'm singing andsharing, and there's.
Inspiration and lessons tolearn, but I feel like,
emotionally there's somethingbeautiful and powerful about
(24:01):
feeling someone else's healing.
And I have like a whole fullcircle thing to offer and maybe
someone else can experiencethat.
And whether it gives them hopeor maybe, truly helps them heal
in that moment, whatever, Ithink there's some powerful
things in sharing that side.
So I'm looking to share that alittle bit more.
Kenny (24:20):
Mm.
I like that.
Yeah, I like that.
There's a quote, I can'tremember.
Was it, I think he said, I thinkit was like, it was like Quincy
Jones said something where it'slike, like when all this is like
said like when everything'sdone, all of like, han history
(24:40):
has kind of been written, likethe thing that'll like be here
at the end is like music.
Yeah.
I was like, that's.
That's a really powerful way tothink of like the medi itself.
Like what music is, is, is doinglike, like you said, you can put
your stories in music.
And they can last for, I mean,it's pretty much gonna last
forever at this point.
Right, right.
Like in, in terms of the, thefrequencies and all the stuff
(25:03):
that, that music does.
Like it really does outlast ourlives.
Like that's incredible.
Yeah.
That's an incredible way tothink about it.
Yeah.
So, I wanted to, pivot a littlebit and let's talk about, with
the life that you live, you dostill have some focus, or you
(25:26):
have, you, you want to buildout, a nonprofit focus of what
you're doing.
You want to talk a little bitabout, What you're doing with
that and and where it fitswithin the brand of Beth.
Beth (25:40):
Yeah, for sure.
So what I aim to share about mylife is how creativity is
essential.
And I think if we as a communitywere more proactive with certain
things like creativity, itwould.
It would just shift, whethermental health, emotional, like
there's a lot of things to healfrom right now or to to work out
(26:04):
in our nervous system, just theclimate of our society is a
little high strung, right?
So I feel like music, art ingeneral, helps your nervous
system.
It helps be proactive with yourmental health.
So what I'm aiming to do is domore events, for the community
and.
I feel like just singing ingeneral and being in that sort
(26:27):
of connection, brings an impact.
So that's one general way thatI'm already doing it.
Of course.
And then what I'm aiming to dois build these programs in
schools.
I've already taken my children'sbook, which was published last
year.
I want to be Wild.
I'll go and read that toelementary school.
(26:47):
It's good for like four to sevenyear olds.
and I then I have a song I singand it's all, it's talking about
how to be wild, but there's likean acronym and it teaches them
essentially to be self-aware andhow to be positive about their.
Trying new things.
Mm.
Love it.
And getting in touch with thatcreativity inside of them.
So I wanna have that program beable to grow and go to more and
(27:09):
more schools.
And then I want to establish, anopen mic sort of event, for lack
of a better way to put it, formiddle schools and high schools.
Mm.
Like do a pep rally and givethese people, like, give the
children like a way toexperience a musician.
And like a connection with whatit's like to perform in a new
(27:32):
way.
Because I know in school, forme, it seemed like, you had to
be in band, you had to be anerd.
I was a nerd.
I chose to be the nerd then, butit was like, nerdy to be
involved with music, you had themusical theater, stuff like
that.
And I just want to be able toshow another side and offer,
positive.
Impact where, you essentiallyhave the starving artist or the,
(27:56):
the alcoholics and the drugaddicts get, get a lot of flack,
musicians get a lot of flack forthat'cause you're in a bar a lot
and stuff like that.
And for me, I've even gottenside eyed by people who have
that.
And for me, I've, just that ideaabout an artist because I
represent things like that.
So like you're involved.
(28:17):
things like that.
But there's a different side.
It's a business and we havesomething to offer and I just
wanna show that side tochildren.
It's a business and we have someelse to give them that creative
outlet.
Could be give experiences for.
Connection, creativity, andinspire.
Kenny (28:36):
I love that.
shout out to the, like youmentioned, like the band geeks.
Yes.
I played clarinet.
Yeah, I played clarinet.
I played trpet from like, Iplayed clarinet years, I think
growing up Nice.
And that definitely like
Beth (28:47):
high school steel to.
To this stage 20 years later arein my life making huge impact.
Kenny (28:57):
Mm.
Shout out.
Remember to the Underwood,remember?
I do remember my music teachers.
Beth (29:01):
Yeah,
Kenny (29:02):
for sure.
Beth (29:02):
I mean, they're still doing stuff in the community
retired.
Kenny (29:06):
I bet.
Yeah, I bet.
I bet that's how,
Beth (29:07):
but that's how the people in music are passionate.
People are like, there's somehurt people, and I hope that I
get to help some of thosehurting people, but there's hurt
people everywhere and it's notmusicians and it's not artists.
So like there's just people inmusic are special and we're real
passionate and we're going tokeep going.
Got it.
Yeah.
Kenny (29:27):
So, in closing, I want to thank you for coming on the
platform.
I don't normally have theopportunity to interview just
straight out creatives andmusicians, and so you're, I
appreciate you coming on ourplatform.
This has definitely beeninsightful for me, and I think
our, our audience will, they'llbe able to.
(29:49):
Really translate, like you said,like we, we all have a story to
tell, like at the end of the dayand how you own it.
Like there is no wrong waybesides just owning it.
Yeah.
And I appreciate you.
I feel like that was a commontheme in the examples that
you've given us on thisconversation.
But in closing, I want to passit to you.
(30:12):
two things.
How can listeners tap in?
What's the best way to tap inwith your brand and all the
things you're doing, and thenthat.
That closing thought that youwant our listeners to lead this
conversation with?
Beth (30:21):
Okay.
So you can find me on bethgatlin.com.
You can find me on all socialmedia platforms under Beth
Gatlin, music, G-A-T-L-I-N.
Nobody ever knows how to spellGatlin.
let's see.
Last thought.
Well first off, thank you forhaving me, like super honored to
be, on this podcast.
And if I have one last thought Iwould say.
(30:47):
if you feel like there'ssomething calling you
creatively, don't just think ofit as, something to put on the
sideburn.
Like just a, you can't put it asa priority.
Like there's something callingyou, there's a reason even just
to write it out.
There's a reason.
Get it out of you.
I heard Brene Brown.
Speaking today, and that's whatI'll leave you with.
(31:08):
She said creativity, lift un.
Unfinished left un, what's theword?
If you don't pay attention toit, it's not benign like it will
metastasize.
How do you say that?
Metastasize.
Kenny (31:23):
Oh, I think I know what you're saying.
And it'll
Beth (31:24):
manifest as, depression, anxiety.
It is gonna be somethingnegative.
whereas all you gotta do is paya little bit of attention and
it's got something for you.
Just pay a little bit ofattention.
I believe in it.
I believe in you.
Whoever you are, I think this isworth paying attention to.
Kenny (31:41):
Either way it grows.
Yeah.
You determine which way itgrows.
Yeah.
I love that.
Well, thank you for leaving uson that, that that thought, food
for good, food for thought forour listeners to close out with
and for those that have beentuning in, thanks for tuning
into another great episode ofthe Beyond Normal Podcast.
Thank you.
Welcome, welcome everybody to another great
episode of The Beyond NormalPodcast.
I'm your host, Kenny Groom.
We have a very special episodeand guest, for those that have
been following our journey.
We have been, connecting, at anincredible coworking space by
the name of Alchemy Coworkinghere in, in the Charlotte, North
(00:59):
Carolina area.
I've been meeting someincredible individuals, and so
for this episode.
I think this is a little bitdifferent than where we normally
typically go.
where we're highlighting there'sa, there's a, there's a primary
focus just on business.
Yeah.
but I've been connecting withsome incredible creatives.
and I have today, Beth Gatlin,she is a, let me, lemme make
(01:22):
sure I get this right.
I want to make sure that I, Isay this right'cause the, the
bio is amazing.
Beth is a soul singer who's,influenced by some really
incredible, singers that we allgrew up listening to.
but she's doing some reallyamazing things in my local area.
And, thinking about like how shecan really build out her brand.
(01:44):
You've got some focus on, thenonprofit space as well that
we're definitely gonna touch ontoday.
But without further ado, Beth,how are you doing today?
Beth (01:53):
I'm great.
I'm happy to be here.
Kenny (01:56):
sounds good.
I we're gonna, we're gonna diveright into, things obviously
this, with this being an episodewhere we're focusing much more
on your creative story.
Can you let us know just alittle bit about, Your
background, like what, what,what drove you to be a, a
(02:17):
creative and musician in thisday and time?
Beth (02:20):
So it's really cool to be on here because, Previously I
wouldn't have thought of being amusician as I own a business.
So it feels really satisfying tobe on a podcast like this, to
talk about it that way.
and what got me here, I've beenasked this question a couple of
times in the last week, and Ilike the answer I've been given
(02:43):
is my life was just awful.
My life was awful and full ofcycles that I did not want to be
in anymore.
And I came to a position where Ineeded to change my life.
And just allow everything tofall apart and rebuild.
And I just was blessed enough tobe in a position where I could
choose anything I wanted to dowithin reason.
(03:05):
that was, authentic to me.
and a musician always called tome, I've always been a singer.
I learned how to play guitar in2021 and had been doing open
mics and I found a little bit ofsuccess with that.
So something in me just said Icould start making some money
from it.
And I've went from there justmaking a little bit of money
(03:26):
here and there to playingfull-time now, two years.
Two years in that.
That is
Kenny (03:31):
amazing to hear because the, the.
The normal thinking that whenpe, when people hear of a
musician is that they're broke.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Decision.
There's money in it.
Starving artists.
And it's, it's, it's reallyinteresting because there is a
whole business around just musicand like maximizing the dollars
(03:52):
that come from it.
And so maybe I, I thinkhistorically, the platforms that
promote the music have.
Probably stripped away a lot ofthat value before it gets to the
musician.
But it feels like we're in atime now where the musician has
a little bit more power.
Like how, how, how are you, howare you feeling about being a
(04:13):
musician and being able to makeyour, make your, make your art
while, while making sure you'regetting, Compensated for it, if
I, I can say that.
Say it that way.
Beth (04:27):
Yeah.
previously, like as I wasgrowing up as a teenager to now,
like in the last three years orso, what I thought about music
was way different.
I don't think we understood justhow little the musician, gets
from all of the big things thatcome their way.
I, I just thought, if you'resinging and performing locally.
(04:50):
It has to be a hobby or a sidehustle.
and there was not, anydirection, unless you went to
places like Nashville and,sought that journey to become
famous.
It was go big or nothing.
and I mean, am I making what Iwant to make right now?
No.
What I'm seeing are doorsopening to places I didn't
realize were there.
(05:11):
it's not just about being amusician.
Ah, it doesn't have to just beabout being a musician.
Like I can be a figure in thecommunity and like I have a
whole creative drawer full ofways to, to be of service in the
community.
And I just happened to getstarted with musicianship and
that gives me.
So many opportunities for likecommunities and, I go visit,
(05:35):
what is it called?
Hope Haven in Charlotte.
I'm able to go and sing thereand, not everything pays, but
opens up more doors for moreopportunities that do pay.
So there's just a networkinggroup, like Alchemy.
Kenny (05:47):
For sure.
For sure.
a shameless plug, there I'm notmad at it.
I, I think it, what you're, whatyou're really speaking on is,
The, the time we're in now.
It used to be, like you said,you'd have to go to like a
Nashville or like a New York to,to have, or like a la to have
(06:07):
like the, what you, the end goalof like the glitz and the
glamor.
Yeah.
it feels like now the technologyand just where we're at now with
music is really this like globalcommunity, right?
Yeah.
Like people can embrace your.
Your music here locally and,where we're at.
(06:28):
Right?
Yeah.
In the alchemy space.
Yeah.
Or they can connect with it, onthe opposite side of the world.
Yeah.
And so that's amazing to, to seesome of these, these shifts
occur where in the past theartists didn't necessarily their
music, I think the music wasstill traveling worldwide, but
(06:49):
it was like the artist wasn'teven aware of.
How big their impact can be.
Yeah.
If that makes sense.
Right.
Like
Beth (06:55):
social media, set it up to where we can control our impact
enough to feel empowered.
And I mean, you never know ifyou're gonna go viral.
You can buy some views andfollowers and things, but you
can watch your impact grow andsee what works and come at
different angles.
And have I went viral?
No.
Not by any means, but.
I think what it is is that wefeel like artists right now, at
(07:19):
least I do, I feel passionateand hopeful and success feels
obtainable.
like reaching out to mycommunity and growing in my
community has empowered me to beable to see what I can do to
branch out into our region, ourstate, like out of country even.
And like you're saying, like.
(07:39):
There's roads now to go, likeyou could go viral on TikTok and
you don't have to go viral, butyou can reach someone over in
China, There's all kinds ofplaces you can touch now.
Without even going viral.
Kenny (07:50):
So yeah,
Beth (07:51):
lots of doors.
Lots of doors that I'd neverthought about.
Kenny (07:54):
That's interesting.
So now that you're, there's someparallels there as you were just
talking, that I want to touch onfirst around.
The business owners, I think nowin terms of like their brand and
like promoting what they'redoing, they're having the same
struggle.
Like it is almost like everybodyhas that experience now that a
(08:17):
artist has, where it's like, howdo I maximize and ensure the
most people are hearing what'emcreated?
Yeah.
Business owners now, whetherthey have a, a business on Main
Street.
they, they own a bar, they own arestaurant, or they own
something in tech.
Like that's something that is abig challenge for folks now.
Like, how do I, how do I use mymegaphone Right?
(08:40):
To, to let the world know likewhat I'm doing.
Yeah.
And so I think people, hearingartists such as yourselves, like
explaining it that way is reallyrelatable.
Now, even for someone likemyself or a lot of the people at
our community here at Alchemy,where they're business owners.
But they're still having toovercome the same things you are
(09:01):
as a a, an up and coming artist.
Beth (09:04):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
I think, I think as, I think anartist.
Is a business owner and abusiness order.
Ah, a business owner isessentially an artist.
Like we're all creatives andit's all coming from that place
inside of us that gives us thevisions and the desires and, is
the driving force.
I think we all have that.
(09:24):
We, whether you call it passionor like a gut intuition,
spiritual, whatever it is, isguiding us.
I think we all, find that commonsource within us.
and I think especially rightnow.
As a business owner or as anartist, there's a real heavy
call for authenticity.
Oh yeah.
Because we can tell thedifference now that we have all
(09:46):
of this access with TikTok andInstagram and people are really
loving it.
And paying attention to it.
We can tell when it's fake.
We can tell when something'soff, even if we can't put words
to it.
Something's off, within, like wecan just feel the lack of
authenticity and withauthenticity comes like this
beautiful way to sort of.
(10:07):
Show the best parts ofourselves, but it's still
truthful.
and it's almost like empoweringin a way, like on your own
personal journey, everythingjust comes together and it lets
you be you.
And there hasn't been anothertime that I know of that, that's
been possible, like on theinternet.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Kenny (10:26):
So you, you, you threw a word out there, which was that,
that stood out to me was,authentic.
and that's a very powerful word.
And you, you touched on thisearlier, as well, where you were
speaking to just your lifeexperiences, what it was.
and it seems like that is acommon thread for musicians,
(10:48):
right?
To take something that's an,could be an uncomfortable,
experience in life, some of thepain that you've experienced,
and then make it into somethingthat's authentic.
That's relatable to people.
Yeah.
So can you talk about a littlebit about, if you don't mind
some of the experiences in yourlife that you may be drawn for
(11:10):
inspiration now?
Yeah, for sure.
Right.
Even if there, at the time itmay have not necessarily been
something, you thought the bestof that experience itself, but
now.
It's allowing you to makeincredible music.
Beth (11:24):
Yeah.
Plenty of things.
so I recently published, alittle ebook called Glow Up
Girl, your Guide toAuthenticity.
So I'll, I'll just go back tosome things I wrote in there.
it's a short, like 15, 20 minuteread, but in it, you get my
story, the gist of it.
(11:44):
the real like heavy hitters ofmy life.
and I talk about.
in the smer of 2018 where I wasjust overcome with mental health
crisis, just depression reallytook over everything.
I was working as a manager.
I was a mom to two.
I was in a very toxicrelationship and just everything
crbled and essentially I said,bye, I gotta go figure this out,
(12:08):
or I'm gonna kill myself.
I mean, I hadn't told anybodyanything at that point, it was
the first time anybody knewsomething was really wrong, and
so.
I end up getting on drugs.
I go on this drug binge for awhile.
and I just thought I was meantto die.
Like just depression really hadits grip on me.
And there's years of differentup and down traas and li little
(12:30):
and big traas and, things thatcould explain it.
But we all have our baggage,right?
Well, the baggage just got toomuch.
and in that is where I just,right as right as I felt like I
was.
At rock bottom and like thegrave was just being dug.
I just found something withinside of myself.
(12:51):
It was just the first time I wasable to turn things around and
say like, oh, I am worthy of adifferent life.
I don't have to stay stuck.
And so as soon as I turnedaround and started seeing the
light and whatever situationcame, I was homeless.
I was.
I was essentially a drug addict,hadn't been arrested or
anything.
(13:12):
but I was on my way to eitherdying or getting arrested'cause
I was making poor choices.
It was just, I could turn myhead and see the positive side
of where I could go for thefirst time.
So I was able to say no.
I was able to ask for help, fromthe right people that could give
me the, the, the little startthat I needed and.
(13:32):
From day one of that journey, Istarted writing songs.
Mm.
And I didn't know how to playguitar.
I didn't know, any, I had nodreams that I would allow myself
to ponder on when it came tomusic.
But from day one, I startedwriting songs.
And then I had a lot of growingto do at that point, coming off
drugs and understanding how totake care of myself mentally.
(13:53):
And from 2018 to 2021.
I was continuing to kind of,lean on the songwriting here and
there when it would come.
And it's funny because as soonas I said I'm gonna really pay
attention to this gift,everything changed that same
year when I decided thatcreativity, deserves a little
attention.
And it was really just a cope.
(14:14):
As soon as I did that,everything changed.
I was able to get out of thetoxic relationship.
It's like something clicked inmy mind.
When I decided to do somethingauthentic to me that was, from
that creative place that a lotof people probably won't ignore
because there's way moreimportant things, right?
But as soon as I said yes tothat, it's like something
clicked inside of me and showedme the way out and to what I
(14:38):
was.
Feeling called to do, whichessentially was music.
Kenny (14:44):
Mm.
Beth (14:44):
Yeah.
And those songs, I still singsome of those songs that I wrote
before I could even play guitar.
I have recorded and released.
That's
Kenny (14:53):
awesome.
Yeah.
That's awesome taking thatexperience there.
And I appreciate you, beingvulnerable with us, and sharing
that part of your life and, andwhat, how you were able to make
it into what you're doing now.
Yeah.
I'm curious.
With the writing the book, likewhat, how does that process
(15:14):
compare for you to writingmusic?
Beth (15:18):
There's like a very similar feeling.
I'm a feeling person more thanI'm a words person, and so
hopefully I can convey what Ireally feel.
and essentially it just likeflows out of me.
I'm a little bit hippie, alittle bit wooo and a lot
spiritual and it just feels likea God thing, honestly.
(15:40):
Like it just comes through me.
'cause, like I can thankthoughts, especially knowing my
anxiety and how that attacks mythoughts and gives me all of
these negative, ideas.
There's a difference in whenthose thought come than when
something comes from like, mygut or my intuition or the
creative flow.
and it all comes from thatplace.
(16:01):
And like sometimes I can beintentional and sit down and be
like, all right, let's do this.
And, I'm partnering with thatcreative flow.
and then other times it justhits me.
I'll wake up and have somethingand I can ride it out right
away, or I'll be in the car andI can just put it on my phone.
Mm.
but it's just about payingattention, like.
I think from hearing otherpeople talk.
(16:23):
What do you think, you're abusiness owner.
Do you feel the difference inyour head and those thoughts and
then that creative flow?
Is there a difference for you oris that just me?
Kenny (16:32):
I definitely am probably much more along.
I'm one of those people where.
Hit.
When it hits me, I want to doit, then I want to like get it
out.
Yeah.
Because I have so many ideas andso I'll forget an idea if I
(16:53):
don't really like explore itenough because I haven't put the
time and the energy into it, andso that's my thinking.
Whereas like if I havesomething.
In that moment and it, and it'slike calling me to explore it
more and I don't explore it.
That meant that it wasn't, itjust wasn't meant to be.
Yeah.
And I'm okay with losing thatthought, but if it's something
(17:14):
where it's like, I'm gonna dropwhat I'm doing right now, and
this thought in my head, I needto actually flesh it out.
I need to write it out.
I need to go to my computer andtake some notes on it.
Yeah.
That's like the best feeling forme.
Yeah.
Getting it out.
And at least like.
going through the process ofacknowledging it, like it may
end up being where you, you, youkind of write these things down
(17:36):
and then you're like, nah, it's,it, it wasn't what I thought it
was.
Yeah.
But at least I, for me, when I,when I go through that process
and dissect it and just like,write out what, what this
thought is, why I'm feel, whyit's in, why it's bubbling up
for me, what does it make mefeel like that going through
that process is what?
(17:59):
That's the exciting part for me.
That's what gives me energy.
Beth (18:01):
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, that definitelyresonates for sure.
It is a, it's a rush.
Kenny (18:06):
Yeah.
The rush of it.
Yeah, the rush of it.
and thinking along the lines oflike the podcasting, like this
has been something where it kindof keeps, like I have a
conversation with somebodyincredible like you, and then it
like.
It feeds more thoughts for me.
(18:27):
Yeah.
It's like food for thought.
Yeah.
And then, so this conversationhere is definitely when I
listen, listen back on it, it'sgonna like spark some even more
ideas for me.
And so it's like thisever-growing tree.
I love it.
Yeah.
Like for podcasting specificallyfor me, this is one of those
areas where it does that for me.
I'm not sure what every,everybody like, to your point,
(18:48):
everybody who's creativeprobably has.
That specific thing that doesthat for them.
Beth (18:53):
Yeah.
Like inspired action.
Yeah.
Inspired action.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So that's
Kenny (18:58):
the, I'm, I'm happy that I found this, like when I found
it right.
Yeah.
because I'm not sure the otheractivities I have, I have had in
my life, or the ones I evencurrently have would, would give
me.
That type of food for thoughtfeeling.
Yeah.
Beth (19:16):
Yeah.
So as far as creatively goes, isit just podcasting or do you
have, like say content creation,does that give you that same, do
you get that inspired actionfrom that, or is it more work?
Kenny (19:29):
So for me it's, it's become more about like
storytelling.
So we're having this dialogue,this back and forth, we're
crafting this story.
And so that's where I think thatcan be applied to areas.
That's why I asked you aboutwriting the book, like I'm
(19:50):
interested in that, but that'snot my forte sitting down and
like actually sitting, sittingthere and like going through
chapter by chapter, writing itout and structuring it.
I'm more the person like.
Let me sit here and have thisamazing conversation and I know
at the end of it, it is gonna begreat.
Yeah, that makes sense.
So, what I mean, like, so it's,it is just one of those things
(20:10):
where I think now there's muchmore focus on like the stories
that people are telling.
Then that allows people to becreative in their own ways.
Yeah, for sure.
Like no matter your creativeelement, you're trying to tell a
story at the end of the day.
Yeah,
Beth (20:24):
definitely.
Like all of the people I've metthrough, the networking groups
and stuff, I wanna know all oftheir stories No matter what
business they're in.
So Yeah, definitely ontosomething for sure.
And then they
Kenny (20:34):
tell you, like, they tell you a, a moment, like when you
tell me, something about yourcareer or just like your life in
general.
Then I'll start to be like,well, where, where was that in
the, in the arc of, of Beth?
Yeah.
Like tell me like where in thestory this was, what did, what
did it do for you?
What did it feel for you?
(20:54):
Right.
Like your life is really amovie.
Like our lives are reallymovies, I think.
Yeah.
Beth (20:58):
I, I definitely live that way.
I, I definitely do.
I'm not dramatic, I don't think.
Maybe my family would say I am,but I don't mean, I don't mean
I'm dramatic, but in my head Ijust want to romanticize
everything and I want to feeleverything.
And sometimes I have to likeforce.
the feelings not force, butcreate the feelings.
(21:20):
if I let the world create thefeelings, they ain't always fun.
Yeah, for sure.
So I, I think I tend to live ina movie inside of my head.
I romanticize everything Ipossibly can.
And if it's hard, I probably ama little dramatic on the inside.
And then I go and be dramaticalone.
Kenny (21:36):
Let
Beth (21:36):
the hard pass for a little bit in my long time and then go
back.
Kenny (21:41):
So let's talk a little bit about, you touched on it
earlier about the.
You just said a wordromanticizing, and you touched
on like dreaming.
Earlier a little bit.
So I'm curious like what, likeyou spent that, that time in
that period in your life, 2018,like you have some thoughts, you
have some dreams, and nowyou're, you're manifesting
(22:02):
those.
I'm curious, like what are youdreaming about now in terms of,
where you'll be in the future?
I'm
Beth (22:08):
so excited to answer.
I'm dreaming.
There's some details for surethat I would love to happen, but
I think now I'm about to turn 34in May, and one thing that I've
learned is it doesn't have to bemy way.
I don't care if things happenthe way that I envision them.
Kenny (22:29):
I
Beth (22:29):
just have a vision because I gotta at least have a
direction to go.
Right.
So right now what I'm dreamingof is not a detail, but I just
want to feel.
I'm flying.
I'm seeing some beautiful thingsand I'm experiencing like higher
parts of success.
if it's singing for thousands ofpeople, amazing if it's doing
(22:53):
what I'm doing, but it's justbeing able to fund my life even
better.
'cause I love my life right now.
I love working like locally andregionally and just building
this beautiful community I getto see every week.
It's amazing.
so if I lived like this and Icould just fund everything I
need to fund, I'm great.
But I wouldn't mind travelingthe world and incorporating more
(23:16):
books.
I wouldn't mind speaking,specifically on my story to like
large rooms full of people.
I think if I could do anythingdifferently right now.
It would be be more intentionalon sharing my story through my
music and having, the light onall of me.
Not just having to separate it.
(23:37):
Sometimes I get to talk andthat's great and I don't wanna
force those opportunities justyet.
I'm working on some ideas, maybethat'll help that.
But I have this like show insidemy mind that I'm hoping to
create where I'm singing andsharing, and there's.
Inspiration and lessons tolearn, but I feel like,
emotionally there's somethingbeautiful and powerful about
(24:01):
feeling someone else's healing.
And I have like a whole fullcircle thing to offer and maybe
someone else can experiencethat.
And whether it gives them hopeor maybe, truly helps them heal
in that moment, whatever, Ithink there's some powerful
things in sharing that side.
So I'm looking to share that alittle bit more.
Kenny (24:20):
Mm.
I like that.
Yeah, I like that.
There's a quote, I can'tremember.
Was it, I think he said, I thinkit was like, it was like Quincy
Jones said something where it'slike, like when all this is like
said like when everything'sdone, all of like, han history
(24:40):
has kind of been written, likethe thing that'll like be here
at the end is like music.
Yeah.
I was like, that's.
That's a really powerful way tothink of like the medi itself.
Like what music is, is, is doinglike, like you said, you can put
your stories in music.
And they can last for, I mean,it's pretty much gonna last
forever at this point.
Right, right.
Like in, in terms of the, thefrequencies and all the stuff
(25:03):
that, that music does.
Like it really does outlast ourlives.
Like that's incredible.
Yeah.
That's an incredible way tothink about it.
Yeah.
So, I wanted to, pivot a littlebit and let's talk about, with
the life that you live, you dostill have some focus, or you
(25:26):
have, you, you want to buildout, a nonprofit focus of what
you're doing.
You want to talk a little bitabout, What you're doing with
that and and where it fitswithin the brand of Beth.
Beth (25:40):
Yeah, for sure.
So what I aim to share about mylife is how creativity is
essential.
And I think if we as a communitywere more proactive with certain
things like creativity, itwould.
It would just shift, whethermental health, emotional, like
there's a lot of things to healfrom right now or to to work out
(26:04):
in our nervous system, just theclimate of our society is a
little high strung, right?
So I feel like music, art ingeneral, helps your nervous
system.
It helps be proactive with yourmental health.
So what I'm aiming to do is domore events, for the community
and.
I feel like just singing ingeneral and being in that sort
(26:27):
of connection, brings an impact.
So that's one general way thatI'm already doing it.
Of course.
And then what I'm aiming to dois build these programs in
schools.
I've already taken my children'sbook, which was published last
year.
I want to be Wild.
I'll go and read that toelementary school.
(26:47):
It's good for like four to sevenyear olds.
and I then I have a song I singand it's all, it's talking about
how to be wild, but there's likean acronym and it teaches them
essentially to be self-aware andhow to be positive about their.
Trying new things.
Mm.
Love it.
And getting in touch with thatcreativity inside of them.
So I wanna have that program beable to grow and go to more and
(27:09):
more schools.
And then I want to establish, anopen mic sort of event, for lack
of a better way to put it, formiddle schools and high schools.
Mm.
Like do a pep rally and givethese people, like, give the
children like a way toexperience a musician.
And like a connection with whatit's like to perform in a new
(27:32):
way.
Because I know in school, forme, it seemed like, you had to
be in band, you had to be anerd.
I was a nerd.
I chose to be the nerd then, butit was like, nerdy to be
involved with music, you had themusical theater, stuff like
that.
And I just want to be able toshow another side and offer,
positive.
Impact where, you essentiallyhave the starving artist or the,
(27:56):
the alcoholics and the drugaddicts get, get a lot of flack,
musicians get a lot of flack forthat'cause you're in a bar a lot
and stuff like that.
And for me, I've even gottenside eyed by people who have
that.
And for me, I've, just that ideaabout an artist because I
represent things like that.
So like you're involved.
(28:17):
things like that.
But there's a different side.
It's a business and we havesomething to offer and I just
wanna show that side tochildren.
It's a business and we have someelse to give them that creative
outlet.
Could be give experiences for.
Connection, creativity, andinspire.
Kenny (28:36):
I love that.
shout out to the, like youmentioned, like the band geeks.
Yes.
I played clarinet.
Yeah, I played clarinet.
I played trpet from like, Iplayed clarinet years, I think
growing up Nice.
And that definitely like
Beth (28:47):
high school steel to.
To this stage 20 years later arein my life making huge impact.
Kenny (28:57):
Mm.
Shout out.
Remember to the Underwood,remember?
I do remember my music teachers.
Beth (29:01):
Yeah,
Kenny (29:02):
for sure.
Beth (29:02):
I mean, they're still doing stuff in the community
retired.
Kenny (29:06):
I bet.
Yeah, I bet.
I bet that's how,
Beth (29:07):
but that's how the people in music are passionate.
People are like, there's somehurt people, and I hope that I
get to help some of thosehurting people, but there's hurt
people everywhere and it's notmusicians and it's not artists.
So like there's just people inmusic are special and we're real
passionate and we're going tokeep going.
Got it.
Yeah.
Kenny (29:27):
So, in closing, I want to thank you for coming on the
platform.
I don't normally have theopportunity to interview just
straight out creatives andmusicians, and so you're, I
appreciate you coming on ourplatform.
This has definitely beeninsightful for me, and I think
our, our audience will, they'llbe able to.
(29:49):
Really translate, like you said,like we, we all have a story to
tell, like at the end of the dayand how you own it.
Like there is no wrong waybesides just owning it.
Yeah.
And I appreciate you.
I feel like that was a commontheme in the examples that
you've given us on thisconversation.
But in closing, I want to passit to you.
(30:12):
two things.
How can listeners tap in?
What's the best way to tap inwith your brand and all the
things you're doing, and thenthat.
That closing thought that youwant our listeners to lead this
conversation with?
Beth (30:21):
Okay.
So you can find me on bethgatlin.com.
You can find me on all socialmedia platforms under Beth
Gatlin, music, G-A-T-L-I-N.
Nobody ever knows how to spellGatlin.
let's see.
Last thought.
Well first off, thank you forhaving me, like super honored to
be, on this podcast.
And if I have one last thought Iwould say.
(30:47):
if you feel like there'ssomething calling you
creatively, don't just think ofit as, something to put on the
sideburn.
Like just a, you can't put it asa priority.
Like there's something callingyou, there's a reason even just
to write it out.
There's a reason.
Get it out of you.
I heard Brene Brown.
Speaking today, and that's whatI'll leave you with.
(31:08):
She said creativity, lift un.
Unfinished left un, what's theword?
If you don't pay attention toit, it's not benign like it will
metastasize.
How do you say that?
Metastasize.
Kenny (31:23):
Oh, I think I know what you're saying.
And it'll
Beth (31:24):
manifest as, depression, anxiety.
It is gonna be somethingnegative.
whereas all you gotta do is paya little bit of attention and
it's got something for you.
Just pay a little bit ofattention.
I believe in it.
I believe in you.
Whoever you are, I think this isworth paying attention to.
Kenny (31:41):
Either way it grows.
Yeah.
You determine which way itgrows.
Yeah.
I love that.
Well, thank you for leaving uson that, that that thought, food
for good, food for thought forour listeners to close out with
and for those that have beentuning in, thanks for tuning
into another great episode ofthe Beyond Normal Podcast.
Thank you.
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