November 10, 2025 • 46 mins
The room can be crowded and your soul still feel alone. Kinley's story walks straight through that tension—viral growth, luxury goals, and a booked-out salon on one side; sleepless nights, a laced-weed scare, and a gnawing ache for something real on the other. We sit together and trace her path from lukewarm faith to a crisis that forced her to pray for herself, not just live near someone else’s prayers. You’ll hear what it’s like to show up at church and judge the room to avoid letting God judge your heart, then the sentence that broke the stalemate: if you’re tired of running, you’ve come to the right place.
We go deep on the choices that quietly shape a life—friend circles that normalize the first hit, parents who apply hard boundaries while trying to stay approachable, and the slow creep of attention-chasing that never satisfies. Kinley names the moment conviction got practical: clearing the closet, ditching the wine glasses, and admitting that God doesn’t want a partitioned heart. Within 24 hours of surrender, her curated comfort collapsed into an old trailer and a loneliness that finally taught her to listen. It wasn’t punishment. It was formation. The potter remade the clay.
She set new boundaries in her relationship, learned to right what culture calls normal, and watched her salon become ministry—Scripture in conversation, prayer at the chair, and a weekly Bible study where clients find more than a haircut. If you’re a parent of a drifting teen, a young adult pulled by the crowd, or an entrepreneur who feels successful and hollow, this conversation offers hard-won clarity and hope. God was still making plans while she wandered. He’s still making plans while you listen.
If this story sparked something in you, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs courage, and leave a review with the moment that hit home.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:07):
What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to Beyond Sunday.
I am Pastor Lee Day, and Ipastor Christ Family Outreach
Church, located here in the oneand the only Amelia, Virginia.
And today in studio, I have avery special guest.
It is her very first time on thepodcast, and many of you know
her as Kinley.
Uh, she has been very successfulbusiness owner of Howdy Lose
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Hair Salon.
But I am blessed to know her asmy niece, and I've had the
privilege of watching her growup into the woman that she is
today.
So, Kenley, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
I'm good.
I'm excited and nervous to behere, but I'm excited.
SPEAKER_00 (00:44):
And I'm glad that you are here.
So I appreciate you beingwilling to just humble self and
come on and share yourtestimony.
Amen.
Because I know that what God haswalked you through, and I think
that's the important piece toput in here, is going to help
other people and not just peopleyour age and younger and older,
but I think that there are alsogoing to be a lot of parents,
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maybe even aunts and uncles orgrandparents, that are going to
hear this testimony from a youngwoman and they're going to send
this to their children or totheir grandchildren, depending
upon how it can affect those intheir lives.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
Yeah.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
So I'm I'm really excited.
So uh as I mentioned, I've I'vewatched you grow up and uh I'm
honored to still have theopportunity to witness your
growth even today as a woman andas a daughter, a child of God.
I've I've seen not just thephysical growth in your life uh
over the years, but especiallythe past year, I would say I
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have been able to, I've beenblessed to witness the spiritual
growth in your life, which isreally why I've asked you onto
the podcast so that you canshare that walk and as I
mentioned, bring hope to otherpeople.
Amen.
So let's let's jump right intoit.
You were you were born andraised uh early on in life in
Virginia, okay?
But from the ages of eight totwelve, and maybe this is
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something that not a lot ofpeople know about you, but from
ages eight to twelve, you grewup living in Arizona.
I did.
In your testimony, Kenley, itstates that your childhood was
pretty lukewarm.
So explain what you mean bythat, because here it is.
You went to church, right?
You were doing the things thatchurch had to offer out in
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Arizona, okay?
But for those listening rightnow, what did lukewarm mean for
you and what kept you inlukewarm?
SPEAKER_01 (02:27):
Um, so growing up when I was four years old is
when we moved to Arizona.
And I don't remember ever reallybeing in a church for the first
couple of years that we werethere, and then we found like a
megachurch.
And I'm just speaking from likepersonal experience.
I'm not speaking on anyone else.
I think that it's often hardtimes to get plugged in and
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really involved in a mega churchbecause there's just so many
people.
I'm not saying it's impossible.
I'm just saying it's a loteasier to slip through cracks
sometimes because there's somany people involved.
Um, so I think that that waskind of like our way of checking
a box and going to a church.
But it was like, it was easy togo and it was also really easy
to not get too involved in itbecause it was just, I mean, it
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was stadium seats in thischurch.
Um so we very easily fell out ofthat.
And then we did end up like wewould not go to church, we would
go to church.
And I do remember kind of someseeds being planted, and that
seed was you sending my mom CDsof your sermons.
Actually, you would send them inthe mail.
SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
And I'm gonna be honest, we did not watch them.
SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
Totally appreciate the honesty.
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
Um, we did not.
And like I remember one thing mydad always did was pray with us
before we went to bed, and wewould spend our summers here in
Virginia with our family, andthose summers were great.
I remember coming to see afamily.
SPEAKER_00 (03:47):
They were fun times.
Yeah, it was a fun times.
SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
I think I had one of the most loving, joy-filled
childhoods because we had likethree months of just bliss here
with family, and it was so fun.
Um, but overall, it was aroundthe end of us living in Arizona
that we really did find a churchhome and start getting plugged
in.
But other than that, we werealways in and out.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
Not, I mean, we'd pray over dinner, but other than
that, there was not much elseinvolved in it.
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Right.
Yeah.
I'm gonna have to call my sisterand talk to her about not
watching those servers.
Maybe I'll have her on thepodcast and uh she can she can
address that.
But we're gonna we're gonna moveon.
We're gonna move on.
Uh at the age of 12, your familymoves back to Virginia.
Yes.
Y'all come on back where youwhere you belong.
SPEAKER_02 (04:26):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (04:27):
And and you guys come to CFO church.
SPEAKER_02 (04:29):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
And so now you can't you can't like not open the CDs
that came in the mail and theDVDs that came in the mail or
whatever anymore, right?
So you're you're in the room.
The room does matter.
Yeah, amen.
You're in the house.
Uh, and from the age of 12 to13, uh, there's this time where,
in your words, you describe itas pure joy and bliss.
SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:47):
Explain why.
SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
Um, everything was back where it was supposed to
be.
You know, when I was a child, myparents built a home.
We rented it out over the courseof the amount of time that we
were in Arizona.
Then when we came back here, wemoved back in the house, um,
very close to family, obviously.
Grandparents live right down theroad.
And because we had been gone forso long, when we came back, it
was like maybe you guys had doneit the whole time we were gone,
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but it was like if if to me, itfelt like family dinners.
You know, me and Elijah, mylittle cousin, for those who
don't know, um, played in thewoods every day and we built
forts.
And Josiah was a little, like hewas a toddler at the time, I
think.
It was just so much fun.
Like, I don't even I don't evenremember doing school.
Like I remember doing school togo outside and play.
I think me and Elijah were like,if we wake up at 5 a.m., we can
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go play outside by nine.
And that was like the most, likethat is that was my childhood,
and I would not change a pieceof it, honestly.
It was amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
Amen.
Back again, like I said earlier,back home where you belong.
Yeah, amen.
At age 13, uh, the familyreceived some news that would
change so much of what youthought normal life looked like.
Yeah.
You you found out that yourolder sister had cancer, and in
your testimony, you said thatyou feel like this is when you
felt like your testimonyactually begins.
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Why is that?
SPEAKER_01 (06:00):
Throughout my life, there were times.
If you know my mom, my mom knowshow to pray.
SPEAKER_02 (06:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:06):
If there's someone that knows how to pray, it's my
mother.
She's a prayer warrior.
Yes, she is.
And although, don't get mewrong, I don't want to shed
light on my childhood when itwas lukewarm because my mother
still prayed, and she my motherhas always known how to pray.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
She don't open up DVDs, but she prays hard.
SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
Yes, yes.
I mean, it may not have beenconsistent, but there was always
times.
And I'm saying that to say thiswas the first time when I had to
pray.
Like this, my if you know myfather, my father is the man of
our house, and there had neverbeen a problem that he could not
fix.
And this was the first time thatit was like you can't do
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anything.
Yeah, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, what a testimony to yourdad.
Obviously, he he's he's mybrother-in-law, and and I love
him to pieces.
What a testimony to him that uhhis his daughter, one of his
daughters says, you know, upuntil this point, my dad could
fix everything in life.
So that that is a greattestimony to just a dad being a
true dad.
Yeah.
But here, you're right, he hehas to face this thing called
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cancer, and and and really it'sout of his hands.
Yeah.
It's something that no parentwants to hear a diagnosis of.
If they could trade places withtheir child, I'm sure they
would, yeah, right, with withwith without hesitation.
But here is something that yougrowing up, seeing your dad is
like Superman.
Yeah, right?
Like, like your superstar, youknow, your hero.
And all of a sudden, here'ssomething that's out of dad's
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control.
SPEAKER_02 (07:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
And at 13, you had to watch this happen.
So either your household isabout to spiral down or it's
about to rise up.
And I know I wasn't on theinside all the time.
A lot of the times I was outsidelooking in, but there were times
where I got to see the inside.
And I know no household isperfect, but I know that your
family chose to take the rise upoption.
Absolutely.
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And rather than been beatendown, they trusted in in help
from God.
Yeah.
And it's through all of thisthat you said the very first
time you remember ever talkingto God on a deep level.
Yeah.
Right.
And so maybe maybe there's somelisteners out there right now
finding themselves in a verysimilar boat, Kenley.
Uh they've been going to churchfor years.
They talk to God here and there,but just not on a serious level.
Uh, not on a deep level ofconversation.
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What would you say to thatperson that does not understand
the importance of serious timespent in prayer with God because
it did impact your life?
SPEAKER_01 (08:22):
I think for a long time I did not pray on a deep
level because I felt as if likeI did not know how to.
You know, like, like I said, mymother, she knows how to pray.
And I looked at her and I waslike, I just can't pray like
that.
Like I was like, this is like agift that she has and I'm
incapable.
But the truth of what God trulynow, speaking to my testimony
now, even so much more thanthen, was like, God will take
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you in the prayer that you'reat.
You know, like I remembersomeone at church one time had
told me they were like, youknow, like when you have nothing
to say, sometimes your tears areenough for God, and that can be
your conversation.
And that truly has just stuckwith me through my whole life in
the moments of I don't know whatto do, I don't know where to go,
I don't know how to handle this.
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Just giving whatever it is thatyou have to God, even if it's
just tears to shed, like He willtake that and He will use that
for so much glory to bring youthrough something when you
didn't even think you hadanything to offer.
But that's enough.
SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
That's so good.
Yeah.
That's so good.
It's just enough.
Yeah, He takes you right whereyou are in the moment, how you
can come.
SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:22):
You know, as long as we give him truly our whole
heart.
SPEAKER_02 (09:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Your sister, praise God,hallelujah, she's now
cancer-free.
Amen.
Yes, she's been cancer-free forquite a while now.
SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Uh, but during the beginning stages of the battle
with cancer, you said it was thefirst time that you paid
attention to your family reallywalking in the light of Christ.
Yeah.
You you really took notice tothat.
So not the first time they did,but it was the first time maybe
that you paid attention to it.
So explain that for a momentbecause the spiritual growth you
witnessed taking place in yourfamily, uh, do you think God was
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using this in efforts to alsoget your attention?
Yeah.
Having to watch your family leanon God teaching you that you
should do the same.
SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
Yeah, absolutely.
Like I said, in that moment,there was no other option.
I mean, like to us, I think, youknow, the Bible says when you
train a child up in the way thatthey should go, they will always
return to it.
And I think for everyone in ourhousehold, like that was our
returning moment of like what weknew was true.
Like when you don't know whatelse to do, that's what you come
back to.
SPEAKER_00 (10:23):
Let's get into for a moment, because the your let's
say that your friends, yourclose friends, the friends that
maybe used to party with back inthe day, who maybe listen to
this right now and thinking,mm-hmm, well, all this is good
stuff, you know.
This is when Kenley was littleinnocent Kenley, but is she
really gonna expose?
Is she really gonna open thatcloset door?
Is she is she really gonna sharewhat I know about her, right?
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And that's what we're gettingready to jump into next, because
um, sometimes certain chaptersin life tend to take over.
And they're not always goodchapters, they're not always
pretty, sometimes they're uglychapters.
Yeah, but nonetheless, thechapters need to be there to
make up the part of the story ofwhat God is doing, and every
chapter has a reason.
Yeah, you know, so we're gonnawe're gonna talk about that
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because at the age of 15, yousmoked weed and you vaped for
the very first time.
SPEAKER_01 (11:12):
I did.
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Uh what was it that made you turn there and what was
your friend's circle like?
And and again, we're not blamingit on no prior friends, but what
I'd like for people to hear,young and old alike, is that
your circle really does matter.
Absolutely.
That the room you're in matters,and the circle you put yourself
in matters.
So what was it that made youturn there and what was that's
that that that circle of friendslike?
SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
Um, so one thing about me to date, this is still
accurate information, is that Ihave always had friends that
were older than me.
That's just what everybody did.
Like at the time, Instagramreally was kind of like the
biggest newer thing.
I mean, it it's huge now, butthen it was like really cool.
And I was homeschooled my entirelife.
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Um, I was always very well knownin the county, though.
There's not many people to thisday.
People come in my business andsay they knew me from school and
I never even went to school withthem.
Saying all that to say sometimesit was easier for me to get in
with kind of the people thatinvolved themselves in these
activities than the people thatwere well put together because I
just wasn't like there to knowthem on a deeper level.
(12:17):
Right.
Um, so it's easy to get involvedwith the worst crowd because
nine times out of ten, the worstcrowd is gonna be a bigger group
than the ones that are well puttogether.
So that was kind of thebeginning of it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
And they accepted you in.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:30):
Right.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (12:30):
They accepted you in.
Now, your testimony says thatyour parents put a stop to it
the best way that they knew how.
I remember those, I rememberthat time in your life.
Um, and and they were they weretemporarily successful.
Yes, temporarily successful, butthen you said this, and and and
I'm gonna quote you on this.
In your testimony, it says thisnot much gets past my father.
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He knew how to handle it, right?
Yeah, knew how to handle it.
So, so dad does what dad knowsto do.
And dad's good at it, and he'sgood at it, and and and that's
what a good dad does, yeah,right?
That's what a good dad does.
For the parents listening outthere right now, Kenley, who may
have a wayward child or or maybethey've got a wayward
grandchild, they're not doing asthey want them to do, they've
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fallen into the trap of theworld worldly things.
Do you have any advice on how tohandle the child because you
were that child?
SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
Call Joe Norman and ask for advice.
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
Uh-oh man, just put his name on the air.
SPEAKER_01 (13:28):
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
Um, I think the biggest thingthat I could recommend,
honestly, now looking back, theway that my parents handled it
probably was the better route,but something that children
would be open to is meeting themwhere they're at.
Like, hey, I just want to letyou know out of love, what
you're doing, the things you'repartaking in, the people you're
hanging out with, they're notokay.
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We want more for you.
We're here to support you, notsupport the things you're doing,
but support you because we loveyou.
And you might have a slip upbecause I did.
And I can say, I'm not judgingmy parents for the way they
parented me.
That's not it.
But they were so against it.
I could never come to them andtell them when I was struggling
because I was so afraid of thehardcore discipline that they
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gave me.
SPEAKER_02 (14:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:12):
And I think that that was amazing.
Don't I'm not dissing myparents.
I don't want anyone to thinkthat, mom, if you're listening
to this, please don't thinkthat.
But um I think that it is reallygood to like remove them from
the situation fully, I do, butalso to be open to meeting them
in the middle and just lettingthem know like it's okay if
something happens.
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Like we're here for you eitherway.
SPEAKER_00 (14:34):
So that makes perfect sense to me as a dad of
two boys, right?
So you're saying, hey,completely remove them from the
spot that that is causing themto mess up.
Yeah.
But also be open enough that ifthey slip up, right?
Because even as parents, I thinkone one thing that we forget as
adults is we still mess up too.
You know what I'm saying?
Like we're not perfect.
The Bible says for all havesinned and fallen short of the
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glory of God.
SPEAKER_02 (14:57):
Yeah, amen.
SPEAKER_00 (14:58):
And so we need to be willing to accept our children
in in their failures.
Yeah.
And say, okay, I got you.
Appreciate your honesty.
We're gonna pray harder againstthis, and yeah, and and and
we're gonna move forward.
One of the things I learned as adad was that right now, like for
instance, my oldest is is 20, soobviously he's not a child
anymore, but but even for myyoungest, like I he's 13, but
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I'm raising a 13-year-old.
I'm not raising a 44-year-oldman right now.
Yeah, you know, now I'm 44, andit's so easy at times to expect
my 13-year-old to be where I'mat.
Like, hey, man, I don't do thesethings, so I expect you not to
do these things, but I quicklyforget what I was doing when I
was 13.
And again, I'm not I'm notjustifying it, right?
I'm not making excuses for it,but I think oftentimes as
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parents, we're we're raisingchildren with adult grown
expectations.
And I think that also that'swhat keeps our children from
being able to listen to us asadults because we're we're
trying to get them to an adultlevel rather than understanding
that that's just not wherethey're at.
You know, I again, I'm raising a13-year-old teenager right now.
I'm not raising a 55-year-oldgrown man.
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Yeah.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:05):
I think something that has been like the biggest
thing that I've been saying thisyear, and I know everyone thinks
it's funny, but I'm being soserious, is that my frontal lobe
is developing.
And if I could go back, I'd justwant to say, like, you're not
dealing with someone that has afrontal lobe yet.
And like I couldn't comprehendit.
You know, like in the time I getit, you're saying weed leads to
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cocaine and cocaine leads tometh, and meth leads to
something else, but I'm justhaving a good time and you don't
get it.
Right.
Because you don't want to have agood time.
You're old.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
I didn't have a frontal lobe, and my parents
did.
And I know that's so funny andit's laughable, but it genuinely
is true.
Like you're looking at thebigger picture, I can't even
comprehend the bigger photo yet,you know?
And that that's like the biggestthing.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
That's such a great takeaway.
Uh, here's where things begin totake off because at the age of
16, you graduated high schoolearly.
I did.
Okay.
And for those who do not knowKinley personally, uh, she is a
very smart, business, savvyyoung woman.
Um, and and and she's a she's adon't get in my way type of
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girl.
SPEAKER_01 (17:06):
That's a really good way of putting it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
Yeah, I think that's a fair way of putting it.
And I think anybody that knowsyou is probably chuckling at
that right now.
But but you're also the type ofwoman that, hey, I see the
vision and I'm gonna go get it,type of gap.
Thank you.
Right, which I think is a giftthat God has given you.
It's a drive in your life.
Um, I also believe, Kenley, as Iwas preparing for this podcast,
I believe that that's one of thereasons why the enemy, Satan,
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has tried so hard to keep youfrom turning to God because the
enemy knows, and he knew, thatif you ever surrendered to God,
you would use all of your giftsand talents for God's kingdom
purposes.
Thank you.
So God's impact on your life,Kay, is far greater than just
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the life of Kinley.
It goes beyond that.
It it it really, even with yoursocial media things, it has the
potential, if it hasn't already,to be global.
So so you just never know likewhat God is doing beyond that.
I I know even right now, uh thisthis podcast is is is listened
in in over 22 differentcountries and territories across
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the world.
So like about think about howGod is using your testimony
right now, even to be heard frompeople that tune in in Brazil,
in in Japan, in in uh Germany.
It's just people all over uh thePhilippines that that listen and
they're hearing your testimonyright now.
And I believe that this is justone more piece that the enemy
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didn't want you doing here atthis table.
Amen.
Sharing your testimony, and youdo such a wonderful job of
sharing the love of God in yourlife now.
Thank you.
But I really believe that justas much as you're a go-getter,
right?
The enemy didn't want you gogetting it for the kingdom.
Amen.
And he was trying, he was tryinghis hardest.
Uh so this is when you begintrying to earn your parents'
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trust back, right?
Dad caught you, they they gotyou, they're trying to enforce
and lay down the law, right?
Yeah.
Um, this is when you're tryingto earn their trust back.
You begin working full-time inyour career.
As I mentioned, you graduatedearly.
Very proud of you for that.
Uh, but but you still haven'tsold out to God at this point in
your life.
You're still walking in worldlyways, but not as much because
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you're trying to keep it asecret, right?
Because if dad finds out again,you know what I mean?
Like you know how big the hammerwas that fell the first time.
You don't want to run thatgauntlet again with your dad,
right?
So now at age 17, let's getthere.
Because this this part is is soimportant to even be a warning
to our listeners.
SPEAKER_01 (19:37):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
At 17, you end up going to a party.
SPEAKER_01 (19:41):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Okay, and you smoke some weed, not knowing that the
weed had been laced withsomething.
The next thing you know, yourtestimony says that you wake up
to someone shaking you, yellingfor your friends, and you were
covered in your own vomit, andyour body was shaking
uncontrollably.
Yes, and you're foaming at themouth.
SPEAKER_02 (20:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:02):
God spoke so clearly to you that night.
What was the warning that Godgave you?
SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
Wake up.
You know, what are you doing?
And to backtrack just a tinybit, and this is where I
struggle as someone who aspiresto be a parent soon, was that I
was not supposed to be at thatparty, so I didn't have my
phone.
Um, I left my phone at afriend's house.
So not only I I mean, I thoughtI was gonna die.
Like I remember I was in churchevery Sunday.
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I couldn't tell you what asermon was on, but I said the
salvation prayer in my head inthat moment.
I could I could not speak.
And not that if I even had aphone, I could have called for
help, but I didn't have a phone.
Um, might I add, my parent or myfriends were in no condition to
help me.
No one at that party was.
I'll never forget the boy thatum shook me.
So I smoke and I should haveknown because the guy whose
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party it was always had weed,but he didn't smoke.
And looking back, that's soweird that he did that.
Um yeah.
So I wake up in the back of acar.
His car, we had smoked out ofhis trunk.
Um I wake up in the backseat ofhis car, so this boy, he's
shaking me.
And I open my eyes, just like, Idon't know if you've ever really
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like heard of like theout-of-body experience, it feels
like where you're like a footbeside yourself.
And I was like looking atmyself.
And past the vomit and the foamand shaking, I was just so
disappointed.
I was like, you know, I'm notonly taking off in my career, I
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had gone really big on socialmedia on TikTok, and I had
people driving a very, very longways to come see me to get their
hair done, but I wasn't evenlicensed to do hair yet.
And I was like, you have so muchgoing for yourself.
This is embarrassing.
I mean, I was embarrassed.
I like looking at myself out ofbody, I j I was mortified, but
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feeling it, that was to date thescariest moment of my entire
life.
It was.
And everyone around me is justscreaming.
I mean, it's like I don't Idon't know where everybody went.
I guess they smoked and thoughtI was just hanging out.
I mean, I don't I it that wasn'ta rare occasion for me to do at
the time.
Um, but I I don't know how longI had been laying there.
SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
Yeah, and and praise God that He's merciful enough to
give you another chance.
Amen.
That it didn't end that night.
SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
You're you're going to church during during this
time in your life, but it wassimply because your parents
required that of you.
Yeah.
Right since you lived in theirhome.
And in your testimony, you saythis, and I quote, I may have
been there at church.
I may have been there, but I wasnot there.
Explain that for everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (22:53):
I was there because I had to be.
I was not there.
You know, God is open.
God wants you all the time, butyou have to be open to him, you
know.
And again, I say, like in mychildhood, I checked the box of
coming in the building.
I checked the box of standing upduring praise and worship.
I was even probably takingcommunion at the time because I
thought I was saved, you know.
I thought it was enough.
And the sad thing is, back whenI was partying and stuff, there
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was other people there that wentto church with me on Sundays,
you know?
And we all kind of thought,like, oh, we go to church.
Like that, that's how you go toheaven.
We go to church.
SPEAKER_02 (23:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:25):
But I couldn't tell you what a sermon was that I
took away.
I couldn't tell you that Iraised my hands during worship,
you know.
I I was not, I was not checkedin, but I was physically
present.
SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you chose to ignore thewarning that God gave you in
that out-of-body experience.
You continued smoking weedbefore bed.
Okay.
Why why ignore the warning?
SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
Because it was easy.
Um, I think that at the age of16, 17, 18, like that young
adulthood.
It's a very lonely road to walkbecause there's very few people.
I like to say like my sister.
My sister has always just beenlike a very like faith-driven
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young adult when she was like inher young teenagers.
And there's very few people likethat.
And I'm I'm a very personableperson.
I like people, I like having alot of friends.
And I think that it was justlike so easy.
It's just so easy and fun tohang out with everybody else.
It was, I mean, I can even saynow, like, I had some good
memories messing up.
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I mean, there are some funnystories.
There were some good times.
Overall, do I miss it?
Absolutely not.
I'm so thankful that I walked itto have the testimony that I do
now.
I would not change it lookingback because if it has
completely shaped me into who Iam and how God has used me, not
only in younger adults' life,but even some of my clients.
You know, if you sit in mychair, you've come to a church
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service, sit down, buckle upbecause we're gonna talk about
the Lord most of the time.
Nine times out of ten.
And God has used that and it'samazing.
Um but it was just lonely, yeah,not partaking in it.
Honestly, I think if I if Icould go back and if you were to
look at me and say, what are youdoing?
I'd be like, Who am I supposedto hang out with?
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
Yeah, and where do I go from here?
SPEAKER_01 (25:09):
Yeah, well, what do I do?
SPEAKER_00 (25:10):
Yeah.
Talk about talk about for amoment chasing a dream because
at the age of 19, you begin theprocess of opening your salon.
Yes, right.
You go on to open actually acouple other boutiques in the
process, and God told you thatit was going to be a ministry
that he was building for you.
And that's a faithful father.
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Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (25:32):
But living living the way that you're living, you
didn't think much of it at thetime.
Right?
You you're just successful,things are rolling.
TikTok famous, right?
Just just people know you.
I don't know if I get to thatexplain.
Popularity.
I I I think I say so.
But but Kay, that just shows thegoodness of God.
And I want to touch on thatpiece for a moment.
It shows the goodness of God, itshows the faithfulness of God
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that just because we go offcourse, God doesn't throw away
his plans for us.
SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
You know, and like when I was preparing for this
podcast, that's one of thethings that the Holy Spirit was
just really blessing me with, isthat God still makes plans.
SPEAKER_02 (26:06):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
You know, we we we we may be ruining them in the in
in the moment, but God's stillmaking plans.
Yeah.
Because he loves us, becausehe's faithful.
Right, you know, right, and Ijust want to encourage the
listeners, write that downsomewhere in your house.
Like God's still making plans.
So when you wake up in themorning, you look in the mirror,
and no matter how bad it was thenight before, how bad you're
feeling when you wake up, readthat to yourself.
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Confess that over your life thatmy father is still busy making
plans for my life.
Second Timothy chapter 2, verse13 says this 2 Timothy 2, 13, if
we are faithless, he, God, heremains faithful, for he cannot
deny himself.
And I just love that becausewhen you were faithless to your
heavenly father, your heavenlyfather was remaining faithful to
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you.
So you continue to go on and andand party, but not as much.
You've you you've scaled back,at least in the public eye.
I'm a business owner now.
Yeah, you're a business owner.
There's a little reputation thatyou gotta have, right?
So in the beginning stages ofsuccess, uh this is when you
when you begin driving uh luxuryvehicles, right?
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You've you've got the money todo so now, and and and there is
financial success taking takingplace.
You you go on even at this earlyage to live in a home that you
paid for yourself.
Um, you are becoming verypopular on social media
platforms.
By many, you would be consideredthe it girl.
So from the outside, Kenley, youare looking extremely
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successful, and you are.
But the truth is on the inside,you're just a hot mess.
Chaos, right?
Chaos.
I think that's a great word forit.
Uh you said that the drinkingand the smoking never fulfilled,
they they never satisfied.
And and even this, and this issomething that I really thought
was really just deep in in thispart of your testimony.
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You said the drinking and thesmoking never gave fulfillment,
and even more of that was stillnever enough.
And it's such a good word thateven more of it, even more of
the world, more success withoutGod present is just never
enough.
Yeah, just never enough.
Um, you said this, and and and Iwanna I want to quote you on it.
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You said I loved attention, andI began dressing provocatively,
displaying myself on theinternet.
You went on to say that you hadlost it all.
Kinley, the worldly stuff justwasn't working, was it?
Matter of fact, you've gone like180 on that thing.
Yeah, even even you're recentlymarried, but before you got
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married, you posted a video thatshowed you were getting rid of
all those provocative clothesthat that did not bring honor to
you or your body and that woulddishonor your husband if you
wore it.
And maybe there's some people inyour circle that just don't
understand that right nowbecause they're not there.
So they wanted the clothes,right?
So they're not there, no,they're not there just like at
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one time you weren't thereeither, right?
But I love just how real you'rebeing in that moment when you're
like, look, I love theattention.
I begin to dress in a way that Ishould not be dressing.
Yeah, but that's not where youare today.
SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
That's not sh share with us, if you will, like what
made you make that change?
SPEAKER_01 (29:20):
Of getting rid of my clothes.
SPEAKER_00 (29:21):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (29:22):
Um, I had been having a really hard time
sleeping.
And God was waking me up and I II kept this is this this is a
recent testimony.
I kept making a big mistake oftalking and not listening.
And you know, I've I've alsospoken, I'm not gonna rabbit
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trail on this, but I've spoken alittle bit about me and my
husband now.
We I moved in with him before wewere married, and if I could go
back, I would change that.
And it's hard to rot right a lotof wrongs when you do that, such
as just sexual immorality andthings like that.
And by the grace of God, we didwalk in the call.
That he called us up to.
SPEAKER_02 (30:01):
Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
But up until we got married, like there was just
such an uneasiness in our home.
And God woke me up every nightand I kept talking.
But finally he was like, shutup.
Like, just listen.
I'm trying to talk to you.
SPEAKER_02 (30:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:17):
And he was like, there are things in this home
that you have got to get rid of.
Like, not just like the winebottles, but the wine glasses.
What are you keeping those for?
You know, like what do you incase someone comes over and
brings a glass of wine?
Like, what is it?
And it was my clothing.
That was one thing that he waslike, you are holding on to this
because the truth is, I I can bean adult enough to say this.
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I still have friends that stilllive that life.
I do.
I don't, I don't hang out withthem very often.
They don't want to hang out withme very often anymore.
And I'm very thankful for that.
But um you have no businessgoing where they take you.
And if you have nothing to wearthere, I know you well enough of
all people, you are not gonnago.
SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
And that is where God was like, it's time, you
know?
And not only that, as someone Iwas engaged um at the time, this
was right before we got married,he was like, What respect are
you publicly not only having tome, but to your husband?
You know, nobody needs a wifeout here running around looking
like this.
And if you have it, you're gonnawear it one day.
Like I knew that that that wasmy moment of accountability.
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That was it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
Yeah, that's so good.
And and just to give people anidea, like we're probably
talking thousands of dollars.
SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:26):
Thousands, oh yeah, thousands, thousands of dollars
of clothing that you just had tosay, I can't do this anymore.
And you didn't let what I loveabout that testimony is you
didn't let the price tagconvince you to keep it.
Right?
I did, you know.
Um, hey, I gotta get rid of thisstuff.
SPEAKER_01 (31:41):
I even had further conviction because I was gonna
take it and sell it.
And God was like, Well, whattype of example are you setting
to let somebody else buy thisstuff?
And I was like, oh, okay, Lord.
So if you want me to be honestwith you, I have not thrown it
in the trash yet.
It is still sitting in my home.
I'm not, it's going.
It's I'm not tempted to wear itagain.
I just haven't dealt with it.
Um, but it is, it is out of mycloset and it is not going back
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in my closet.
SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (32:05):
There's a lot of money and clothing that is.
SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
Time to get rid of.
SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
I've got another quote from your testimony.
I want you to explain to thelisteners because this is deep.
You said, and I quote, I refuseto turn to God because I knew
enough about him to know that hedidn't just want part of me.
God wanted all of me.
So explain that because you alsosaid that you had surrounded
yourself with people who wouldyou who would think that you
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were crazy if you had turned toGod and surrendered to him.
So just explain that.
I I I knew I knew enough aboutGod to know that he didn't just
want part of me, he wanted allof me, and therefore I refuse to
turn to him.
SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Yeah, you know, um, I looked at the people in my
life that did have God, and likea few people that just instantly
come to mind are like you and mymother, you know?
And you you guys don't reallyhave any junk, you know, like
none.
Um everybody has junk, butnothing, any spiritual leader
that I looked at didn't havelike any lukewarm areas.
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Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
You gotta be all in.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because I'm I makemistakes, right?
But but I have I had devoted mylife to be all in.
Yes, but by the grace of God.
SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
Absolutely.
And I didn't want that.
Like the clothing, like I knewsomething that God recently,
unfortunately, has convicted meof is the luxury life that I've
lived.
And that that's what I knew hewas gonna do, you know.
He was like, You drive a Porschefor show.
I don't even drive it anymore.
It sits in my driveway.
I should get rid of it.
Because that that's not for you,that's for everyone else to say,
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she's a successful businessowner.
She's got it going on.
You don't know what my bankaccount looks like.
I could be in the negatives andyou would have no idea, you
know?
Right.
Everything was for show.
And that is why I did not wantto devote myself because I knew
that I had so many areas in mylife that even I questioned.
Should I be doing this?
SPEAKER_00 (33:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
That I knew God was gonna take.
SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
You knew God, you knew God's answer, didn't you?
SPEAKER_01 (33:59):
If I questioned it without a frontal lobe, I knew
the Lord with the frontal lobewas gonna be like, okay, girl,
go on.
SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
At the age of 21, you become exhausted.
Yeah.
Tired of running.
Mental chaos.
And and I think that everyperson who's running from God
can can can say that, hey, thisthis is the part where I
crashed, right?
You you just become exhausted,you're tired of running.
You said that Satan no longercame after you because Satan
already had yeah, he did.
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And and there was there was agirl who ends up working at your
salon, and everything justseemed like it was going good
for this, for this sister inChrist, right?
For this girl in her life.
And she's glowing, and in yourtestimony, it says that the
light of Jesus Christ wasshining forth from her life.
You decided to go to church withher, okay, and and you go, and
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you said that that Satan wasjust all over you, distracting
you.
When you get there, you judgedeveryone in the room.
You you judged the person who'spreaching.
Uh it was you.
Was it at CFO?
Okay, so you're judging, you'rejudging your uncle, are you?
I was talking about that when itshows over.
I'll explain.
So, so you're judging, you'rejudging the preaching, okay?
And and here, here's the thingthat I was like, man, isn't the
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devil just a dirty devil?
You even judged a woman's hairsitting in front of you.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (35:12):
Not just the one in front of me, everybody.
I was looking at everybody, Iwas like, I know they don't come
to howdy lose.
Where do they go?
SPEAKER_00 (35:18):
So, so so so your mind, I think it's safe to say
that your mind's not even onchurch, right?
It's it's not even on where itneeds to be.
Um, what did you what did youhear in church that day?
There was something in yourtestimony that you heard.
Yeah, I'll never forget.
You're just tired of running.
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And and at that point you saidthat you heard this word out of
everything that you heard inchurch, you hear this word that
if you're tired of running,you've come to the right place.
Explain that feeling because yousay that that moment is where it
all changed for you in yourlife.
SPEAKER_01 (35:54):
I remember just saying to myself, if I can get
to the car, I can have abreakdown.
But I can't do that in herebecause my mom would know she
got what she's been praying for.
And in that moment, I I knewthat I wasn't ready to fully
surrender.
SPEAKER_02 (36:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:15):
So I didn't want anyone to know that I'd gotten
that word.
And I know that that sounds sosilly, but if someone's
listening to this right now andthey're running, they know
exactly what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
You know, because then someone'sgonna be like, oh, Kimley was at
church on Sunday, she wascrying, God is working in her
life.
Let me send her a text messageand encourage her.
I didn't want no encouragement.
I was like, Lord, why'd youlike, you know, like in that
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moment, it was such abittersweet because I was so
tired of running and I was sotired, like so ready to be
there.
But there also was just like,you know, like they say, like
devil on one shoulder, the Lordon the other.
And the devil was just like, ohno, you love your car, you love
your life, you know, you loveeverything that you've built for
yourself.
You live in an immaculate home,you're gonna lose it all, you
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know.
Um, and I didn't want to, but itwas time.
SPEAKER_00 (37:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Time to step into the plan thatGod had for your life.
Amen.
You know, because that plan isis far greater than any plan
that you could create foryourself.
Yeah.
You you end up asking God totake control of your life and to
show you what he has for you.
And within 24 hours, I I justkind of smiled when I read this.
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You give your life over to God,and one would think, okay,
everything's gonna be great.
Everything's gonna be fantastic,right?
Within 24 hours, you'rehomeless.
SPEAKER_01 (37:31):
I am.
SPEAKER_00 (37:32):
So it doesn't always work out the way we think it
does, does it, Kay?
SPEAKER_01 (37:35):
No, it does not.
SPEAKER_00 (37:36):
You know, but sometimes here's the deal the
the potter has to break down thevessel.
SPEAKER_01 (37:40):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (37:41):
You know, the the potter, he he's so good that
remember what I said earlier,we're doing our thing, but God's
still making plans.
Yeah, and he's got to break somethings, Kay, that that weren't
in our life according to orshouldn't have been in our life
according to his plans.
So he's gonna have to destroywhat we've built up inside of us
that does not belong, right?
Pride has to go, jealousy, envy.
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If people are out therestruggling with that, it has to
go.
Worldliness, sinfulness,ungodliness, it all has to go.
He's so faithful and he wants tocreate in us a clean and a pure
heart, as David says, create inme, O Lord, right?
A clean heart, uh, a new heart,a pure heart.
So he he's got you right wherehe wanted you, and then you
begin to see God's plan for yourlife.
SPEAKER_02 (38:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
You know, and I guess I could we could also
maybe look at this too as like,is the enemy potentially trying
one last shot to get you back?
Like, okay, you come to God, nowyou got nowhere to go.
You know, you're homeless.
Like, remember how good I gaveit to you over here?
Remember how good you had itwhen you weren't sold out to
Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (38:41):
You know, the whole portion of my life of that time,
after um about four weeks wenton, I would say that I I just
about did go back to it.
It was probably like three weeksin.
Um, I was again, yep, Godstripped me.
I was homeless.
Um, I did get what I prayed for.
I was laying in bed, I wassobbing, I was hysterical, and I
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was like, God, just if you Iknow that you're faithful enough
to make everything work out,just give me faith to trust the
process.
And yeah, about a little, it wasprobably like 18 hours later.
Um, I was homeless.
I was at my parents' housecrying on their doorstep.
And one thing about my dad, he'sthere's not many things he can't
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fix that.
He he fixed it the best way thathe knew how.
And um, he gave me a place tolive, but shortly after that, I
cannot live with my parents.
I've been living on my own sinceI was 18 years old.
So um I go and I get my ownhome.
And mind you, wait, God strippedme.
I went from a half a milliondollar home to like an 80s
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trailer, you know?
So, like this talk about humble.
That this is this is this is thedefinition of Kenley's humble
moment, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (39:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:55):
And um I just about did go back because it was hard,
you know, and it was, might Ijust add, it was lonely.
It was so lonely because thepeople that I had surrounded
myself with for so long, theydid not get it.
They were like, girl, you prayedto huh?
And he said, What?
And you are where with who?
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Like, what is going on, youknow?
SPEAKER_02 (40:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:18):
So that was the moment that I know for a fact
God allowed me to be lonely fora little bit.
Because if I wasn't talking tosomeone else, I had to talk to
him.
And if someone else, if my if Ihad girlfriends that knew I was
living by myself, they wouldhave come over and had a sleep
over, but then I wouldn't havebeen talking to the Lord, you
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know.
SPEAKER_00 (40:39):
So he got you in a place, yeah, it's like he
isolated you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just with him.
Yeah.
So that you could listen and youcould also speak with him.
Yeah.
So homelessness didn't mean toend.
No.
You know, uh, it it meant a signof new beginning, uh, a sign of
God saying, Okay, Kenley, you'vedone it your way.
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Now, now we're gonna try mine.
Yeah, right.
And at age 22, you are a newcreation, a new creature in
Christ.
You surrendered to God, you'veallowed him to take over, and
look at you now, sister.
Uh, 2 Corinthians 5 17 saysthis.
Paul writes, Therefore, ifanyone is in Christ, he is a new
creation.
The old is passed away.
Behold, the new has come.
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And Kenley, I am so blessed tosee that your new is here.
Amen.
And it's not over.
God still, I believe God isstill showing you and still yet
to show you what is more tocome.
I I think you're just on thecusp of it, to be honest with
you.
I think you're just, I don'teven think you've even begun to
see the pinnacle of what God hasfor your plan.
This is just another chapter ofwhat I believe is going to be a
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very beautiful, long, longstory.
I know you said starting arelationship without Christ can
be difficult, but God isteaching you how to right your
wrongs.
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
Pre-getting married, I really devote my life to
Christ when me and Jordanstarted dating.
Like that was really the timeframe when there was like true,
just like devotion to the Lord.
But we did start out on a rockyfoot, you know, like we were we
were partying all the time.
A lot of our friends haveside-by-sides.
We got side-by-side riding.
We go to bike week, you know,like there's there's some really
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good times in there.
But also, like, sorry to talkabout this because you are my
uncle.
But like the thing the worldsays is so normal is sexual
immorality.
Like, I mean, that is just likeyou got to see if you're
compatible with someone, youknow, like there's just so many
things that the world says, likeyou have to, it's you're crazy
if you don't, you know.
Um, but I'm thankful for a Godthat is faithful and forgiving.
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And I'm thankful that he gave mea man that trusts me when I say
things, you know.
And when I first kind of waslike, hey, we really should stop
partaking in this, he was like,huh?
What are you talking about?
You never talked about thisbefore.
Why are you talking about itnow, you know?
Um, and I was like, but if wewant to receive blessings and
the fullness of God and walk inhis glory and have peace over
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our home, like we've got to, youknow, we've got to.
SPEAKER_02 (43:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
So we did get rid of a lot of the our things, a lot
of things in our life at thetime, such as those.
And that was closer to usgetting married than not.
Honestly, like I really wouldsay that was in the past like
six months or so.
Um, now married, now where I'mat, and not all this is just
since I've been married, butjust generally speaking, um, you
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know, God spoke that word when Iopened Howdy Loose that this is
going to be a ministry one day.
And I I so like I just kind offorgot about it.
And recently he reminded me ofit.
And I host a Bible study therenow, you know, and I think
that's so beautiful that likethe plans that we have when
we're living in such disaster,we don't know what we're doing
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tomorrow.
I don't know.
Don't ask me.
I don't know the answer.
God had a plan for my life yearsahead, you know?
And I think to the parent thatis struggling with maybe their
child going astray as my parentsdid, or to the person who is
astray and they don't know, Godhas a plan for you to come back,
you know?
And it was like just that likeprophetic word that he put in my
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life that I don't even I tookwith a grain of salt.
Now is like you loved me so muchbefore I treated you so bad, and
before I took your name in vain,and before I treated the people
around me horribly and lied tothem.
I mean, I painted this wholelife to my family members.
Y'all had no idea.
(44:33):
I mean, maybe you could takeyour guesses, but no, no one
knew just how bad it was.
Went on behind my closed doorsin so many levels.
Um, and it's so beautiful now tobe like, you had such a plan,
and I I hate that I did thesethings, but I love that it was
your plan all along to use themas testimony, you know.
That's so that's so beautiful.
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So also saying that, if you havesomeone in your life that's
struggling and you have a wordthat you're like, one day, this
person's gonna get it together,hold on to that.
Yeah, because I never even toldanyone God had said that because
I didn't feel like care whatanybody had to say about it.
And now look at it, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (45:09):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
It's so beautiful.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
Absolutely.
And he's not finished with it.
Yeah, he's he's still makingplans for your life.
SPEAKER_01 (45:18):
Yeah.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Amen.
Let's pray.
Father, I am so grateful forthis time that we've had here
together at this table becauseit's more than just Kenley and
myself.
Uh, Father, it's about theministry that you're gonna do
with this episode.
And Lord, I pray in the name ofthe blood of Jesus that you
would use it, that you wouldtake it far beyond any far
beyond any level that we couldever comprehend.
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That it would hit the thehearts, the ears, the minds of
the people that need to hear it,and that they would be willing
to share it with those that alsoneed to hear it.
Father, we thank you.
We thank you for the power thatis in the testimony, that we
give you all of the honor, allof the glory, all of the credit,
and all of the praise.
And we just encourage right nowin this moment, anybody that may
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be listening, that's struggling,they want to do right.
They need that little push, theyneed that nudge just to begin to
do right.
Father, I pray that your HolySpirit will begin to convict
them and show them the way inwhich they should go, that today
they would cry out to the nameof Jesus for help.
For it is that name, the name ofJesus, that is above every name.
And we ask all this in the nameand the blood of our risen Lord
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and Savior Jesus Christ, and allGod's people said, Amen, amen,
and amen.
God bless you, and until nexttime, continue to serve the
Lord.
What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to Beyond Sunday.
I am Pastor Lee Day, and Ipastor Christ Family Outreach
Church, located here in the oneand the only Amelia, Virginia.
And today in studio, I have avery special guest.
It is her very first time on thepodcast, and many of you know
her as Kinley.
Uh, she has been very successfulbusiness owner of Howdy Lose
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Hair Salon.
But I am blessed to know her asmy niece, and I've had the
privilege of watching her growup into the woman that she is
today.
So, Kenley, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
I'm good.
I'm excited and nervous to behere, but I'm excited.
SPEAKER_00 (00:44):
And I'm glad that you are here.
So I appreciate you beingwilling to just humble self and
come on and share yourtestimony.
Amen.
Because I know that what God haswalked you through, and I think
that's the important piece toput in here, is going to help
other people and not just peopleyour age and younger and older,
but I think that there are alsogoing to be a lot of parents,
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maybe even aunts and uncles orgrandparents, that are going to
hear this testimony from a youngwoman and they're going to send
this to their children or totheir grandchildren, depending
upon how it can affect those intheir lives.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
Yeah.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (01:16):
So I'm I'm really excited.
So uh as I mentioned, I've I'vewatched you grow up and uh I'm
honored to still have theopportunity to witness your
growth even today as a woman andas a daughter, a child of God.
I've I've seen not just thephysical growth in your life uh
over the years, but especiallythe past year, I would say I
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have been able to, I've beenblessed to witness the spiritual
growth in your life, which isreally why I've asked you onto
the podcast so that you canshare that walk and as I
mentioned, bring hope to otherpeople.
Amen.
So let's let's jump right intoit.
You were you were born andraised uh early on in life in
Virginia, okay?
But from the ages of eight totwelve, and maybe this is
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something that not a lot ofpeople know about you, but from
ages eight to twelve, you grewup living in Arizona.
I did.
In your testimony, Kenley, itstates that your childhood was
pretty lukewarm.
So explain what you mean bythat, because here it is.
You went to church, right?
You were doing the things thatchurch had to offer out in
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Arizona, okay?
But for those listening rightnow, what did lukewarm mean for
you and what kept you inlukewarm?
SPEAKER_01 (02:27):
Um, so growing up when I was four years old is
when we moved to Arizona.
And I don't remember ever reallybeing in a church for the first
couple of years that we werethere, and then we found like a
megachurch.
And I'm just speaking from likepersonal experience.
I'm not speaking on anyone else.
I think that it's often hardtimes to get plugged in and
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really involved in a mega churchbecause there's just so many
people.
I'm not saying it's impossible.
I'm just saying it's a loteasier to slip through cracks
sometimes because there's somany people involved.
Um, so I think that that waskind of like our way of checking
a box and going to a church.
But it was like, it was easy togo and it was also really easy
to not get too involved in itbecause it was just, I mean, it
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was stadium seats in thischurch.
Um so we very easily fell out ofthat.
And then we did end up like wewould not go to church, we would
go to church.
And I do remember kind of someseeds being planted, and that
seed was you sending my mom CDsof your sermons.
Actually, you would send them inthe mail.
SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
And I'm gonna be honest, we did not watch them.
SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
Totally appreciate the honesty.
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
Um, we did not.
And like I remember one thing mydad always did was pray with us
before we went to bed, and wewould spend our summers here in
Virginia with our family, andthose summers were great.
I remember coming to see afamily.
SPEAKER_00 (03:47):
They were fun times.
Yeah, it was a fun times.
SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
I think I had one of the most loving, joy-filled
childhoods because we had likethree months of just bliss here
with family, and it was so fun.
Um, but overall, it was aroundthe end of us living in Arizona
that we really did find a churchhome and start getting plugged
in.
But other than that, we werealways in and out.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
Not, I mean, we'd pray over dinner, but other than
that, there was not much elseinvolved in it.
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Right.
Yeah.
I'm gonna have to call my sisterand talk to her about not
watching those servers.
Maybe I'll have her on thepodcast and uh she can she can
address that.
But we're gonna we're gonna moveon.
We're gonna move on.
Uh at the age of 12, your familymoves back to Virginia.
Yes.
Y'all come on back where youwhere you belong.
SPEAKER_02 (04:26):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (04:27):
And and you guys come to CFO church.
SPEAKER_02 (04:29):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
And so now you can't you can't like not open the CDs
that came in the mail and theDVDs that came in the mail or
whatever anymore, right?
So you're you're in the room.
The room does matter.
Yeah, amen.
You're in the house.
Uh, and from the age of 12 to13, uh, there's this time where,
in your words, you describe itas pure joy and bliss.
SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:47):
Explain why.
SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
Um, everything was back where it was supposed to
be.
You know, when I was a child, myparents built a home.
We rented it out over the courseof the amount of time that we
were in Arizona.
Then when we came back here, wemoved back in the house, um,
very close to family, obviously.
Grandparents live right down theroad.
And because we had been gone forso long, when we came back, it
was like maybe you guys had doneit the whole time we were gone,
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but it was like if if to me, itfelt like family dinners.
You know, me and Elijah, mylittle cousin, for those who
don't know, um, played in thewoods every day and we built
forts.
And Josiah was a little, like hewas a toddler at the time, I
think.
It was just so much fun.
Like, I don't even I don't evenremember doing school.
Like I remember doing school togo outside and play.
I think me and Elijah were like,if we wake up at 5 a.m., we can
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go play outside by nine.
And that was like the most, likethat is that was my childhood,
and I would not change a pieceof it, honestly.
It was amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (05:38):
Amen.
Back again, like I said earlier,back home where you belong.
Yeah, amen.
At age 13, uh, the familyreceived some news that would
change so much of what youthought normal life looked like.
Yeah.
You you found out that yourolder sister had cancer, and in
your testimony, you said thatyou feel like this is when you
felt like your testimonyactually begins.
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Why is that?
SPEAKER_01 (06:00):
Throughout my life, there were times.
If you know my mom, my mom knowshow to pray.
SPEAKER_02 (06:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:06):
If there's someone that knows how to pray, it's my
mother.
She's a prayer warrior.
Yes, she is.
And although, don't get mewrong, I don't want to shed
light on my childhood when itwas lukewarm because my mother
still prayed, and she my motherhas always known how to pray.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
She don't open up DVDs, but she prays hard.
SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
Yes, yes.
I mean, it may not have beenconsistent, but there was always
times.
And I'm saying that to say thiswas the first time when I had to
pray.
Like this, my if you know myfather, my father is the man of
our house, and there had neverbeen a problem that he could not
fix.
And this was the first time thatit was like you can't do
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anything.
Yeah, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, what a testimony to yourdad.
Obviously, he he's he's mybrother-in-law, and and I love
him to pieces.
What a testimony to him that uhhis his daughter, one of his
daughters says, you know, upuntil this point, my dad could
fix everything in life.
So that that is a greattestimony to just a dad being a
true dad.
Yeah.
But here, you're right, he hehas to face this thing called
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cancer, and and and really it'sout of his hands.
Yeah.
It's something that no parentwants to hear a diagnosis of.
If they could trade places withtheir child, I'm sure they
would, yeah, right, with withwith without hesitation.
But here is something that yougrowing up, seeing your dad is
like Superman.
Yeah, right?
Like, like your superstar, youknow, your hero.
And all of a sudden, here'ssomething that's out of dad's
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control.
SPEAKER_02 (07:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
And at 13, you had to watch this happen.
So either your household isabout to spiral down or it's
about to rise up.
And I know I wasn't on theinside all the time.
A lot of the times I was outsidelooking in, but there were times
where I got to see the inside.
And I know no household isperfect, but I know that your
family chose to take the rise upoption.
Absolutely.
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And rather than been beatendown, they trusted in in help
from God.
Yeah.
And it's through all of thisthat you said the very first
time you remember ever talkingto God on a deep level.
Yeah.
Right.
And so maybe maybe there's somelisteners out there right now
finding themselves in a verysimilar boat, Kenley.
Uh they've been going to churchfor years.
They talk to God here and there,but just not on a serious level.
Uh, not on a deep level ofconversation.
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What would you say to thatperson that does not understand
the importance of serious timespent in prayer with God because
it did impact your life?
SPEAKER_01 (08:22):
I think for a long time I did not pray on a deep
level because I felt as if likeI did not know how to.
You know, like, like I said, mymother, she knows how to pray.
And I looked at her and I waslike, I just can't pray like
that.
Like I was like, this is like agift that she has and I'm
incapable.
But the truth of what God trulynow, speaking to my testimony
now, even so much more thanthen, was like, God will take
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you in the prayer that you'reat.
You know, like I remembersomeone at church one time had
told me they were like, youknow, like when you have nothing
to say, sometimes your tears areenough for God, and that can be
your conversation.
And that truly has just stuckwith me through my whole life in
the moments of I don't know whatto do, I don't know where to go,
I don't know how to handle this.
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Just giving whatever it is thatyou have to God, even if it's
just tears to shed, like He willtake that and He will use that
for so much glory to bring youthrough something when you
didn't even think you hadanything to offer.
But that's enough.
SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
That's so good.
Yeah.
That's so good.
It's just enough.
Yeah, He takes you right whereyou are in the moment, how you
can come.
SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:22):
You know, as long as we give him truly our whole
heart.
SPEAKER_02 (09:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Your sister, praise God,hallelujah, she's now
cancer-free.
Amen.
Yes, she's been cancer-free forquite a while now.
SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Uh, but during the beginning stages of the battle
with cancer, you said it was thefirst time that you paid
attention to your family reallywalking in the light of Christ.
Yeah.
You you really took notice tothat.
So not the first time they did,but it was the first time maybe
that you paid attention to it.
So explain that for a momentbecause the spiritual growth you
witnessed taking place in yourfamily, uh, do you think God was
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using this in efforts to alsoget your attention?
Yeah.
Having to watch your family leanon God teaching you that you
should do the same.
SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
Yeah, absolutely.
Like I said, in that moment,there was no other option.
I mean, like to us, I think, youknow, the Bible says when you
train a child up in the way thatthey should go, they will always
return to it.
And I think for everyone in ourhousehold, like that was our
returning moment of like what weknew was true.
Like when you don't know whatelse to do, that's what you come
back to.
SPEAKER_00 (10:23):
Let's get into for a moment, because the your let's
say that your friends, yourclose friends, the friends that
maybe used to party with back inthe day, who maybe listen to
this right now and thinking,mm-hmm, well, all this is good
stuff, you know.
This is when Kenley was littleinnocent Kenley, but is she
really gonna expose?
Is she really gonna open thatcloset door?
Is she is she really gonna sharewhat I know about her, right?
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And that's what we're gettingready to jump into next, because
um, sometimes certain chaptersin life tend to take over.
And they're not always goodchapters, they're not always
pretty, sometimes they're uglychapters.
Yeah, but nonetheless, thechapters need to be there to
make up the part of the story ofwhat God is doing, and every
chapter has a reason.
Yeah, you know, so we're gonnawe're gonna talk about that
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because at the age of 15, yousmoked weed and you vaped for
the very first time.
SPEAKER_01 (11:12):
I did.
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
Uh what was it that made you turn there and what was
your friend's circle like?
And and again, we're not blamingit on no prior friends, but what
I'd like for people to hear,young and old alike, is that
your circle really does matter.
Absolutely.
That the room you're in matters,and the circle you put yourself
in matters.
So what was it that made youturn there and what was that's
that that that circle of friendslike?
SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
Um, so one thing about me to date, this is still
accurate information, is that Ihave always had friends that
were older than me.
That's just what everybody did.
Like at the time, Instagramreally was kind of like the
biggest newer thing.
I mean, it it's huge now, butthen it was like really cool.
And I was homeschooled my entirelife.
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Um, I was always very well knownin the county, though.
There's not many people to thisday.
People come in my business andsay they knew me from school and
I never even went to school withthem.
Saying all that to say sometimesit was easier for me to get in
with kind of the people thatinvolved themselves in these
activities than the people thatwere well put together because I
just wasn't like there to knowthem on a deeper level.
(12:17):
Right.
Um, so it's easy to get involvedwith the worst crowd because
nine times out of ten, the worstcrowd is gonna be a bigger group
than the ones that are well puttogether.
So that was kind of thebeginning of it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
And they accepted you in.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:30):
Right.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (12:30):
They accepted you in.
Now, your testimony says thatyour parents put a stop to it
the best way that they knew how.
I remember those, I rememberthat time in your life.
Um, and and they were they weretemporarily successful.
Yes, temporarily successful, butthen you said this, and and and
I'm gonna quote you on this.
In your testimony, it says thisnot much gets past my father.
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He knew how to handle it, right?
Yeah, knew how to handle it.
So, so dad does what dad knowsto do.
And dad's good at it, and he'sgood at it, and and and that's
what a good dad does, yeah,right?
That's what a good dad does.
For the parents listening outthere right now, Kenley, who may
have a wayward child or or maybethey've got a wayward
grandchild, they're not doing asthey want them to do, they've
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fallen into the trap of theworld worldly things.
Do you have any advice on how tohandle the child because you
were that child?
SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
Call Joe Norman and ask for advice.
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
Uh-oh man, just put his name on the air.
SPEAKER_01 (13:28):
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
Um, I think the biggest thingthat I could recommend,
honestly, now looking back, theway that my parents handled it
probably was the better route,but something that children
would be open to is meeting themwhere they're at.
Like, hey, I just want to letyou know out of love, what
you're doing, the things you'repartaking in, the people you're
hanging out with, they're notokay.
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We want more for you.
We're here to support you, notsupport the things you're doing,
but support you because we loveyou.
And you might have a slip upbecause I did.
And I can say, I'm not judgingmy parents for the way they
parented me.
That's not it.
But they were so against it.
I could never come to them andtell them when I was struggling
because I was so afraid of thehardcore discipline that they
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gave me.
SPEAKER_02 (14:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:12):
And I think that that was amazing.
Don't I'm not dissing myparents.
I don't want anyone to thinkthat, mom, if you're listening
to this, please don't thinkthat.
But um I think that it is reallygood to like remove them from
the situation fully, I do, butalso to be open to meeting them
in the middle and just lettingthem know like it's okay if
something happens.
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Like we're here for you eitherway.
SPEAKER_00 (14:34):
So that makes perfect sense to me as a dad of
two boys, right?
So you're saying, hey,completely remove them from the
spot that that is causing themto mess up.
Yeah.
But also be open enough that ifthey slip up, right?
Because even as parents, I thinkone one thing that we forget as
adults is we still mess up too.
You know what I'm saying?
Like we're not perfect.
The Bible says for all havesinned and fallen short of the
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glory of God.
SPEAKER_02 (14:57):
Yeah, amen.
SPEAKER_00 (14:58):
And so we need to be willing to accept our children
in in their failures.
Yeah.
And say, okay, I got you.
Appreciate your honesty.
We're gonna pray harder againstthis, and yeah, and and and
we're gonna move forward.
One of the things I learned as adad was that right now, like for
instance, my oldest is is 20, soobviously he's not a child
anymore, but but even for myyoungest, like I he's 13, but
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I'm raising a 13-year-old.
I'm not raising a 44-year-oldman right now.
Yeah, you know, now I'm 44, andit's so easy at times to expect
my 13-year-old to be where I'mat.
Like, hey, man, I don't do thesethings, so I expect you not to
do these things, but I quicklyforget what I was doing when I
was 13.
And again, I'm not I'm notjustifying it, right?
I'm not making excuses for it,but I think oftentimes as
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parents, we're we're raisingchildren with adult grown
expectations.
And I think that also that'swhat keeps our children from
being able to listen to us asadults because we're we're
trying to get them to an adultlevel rather than understanding
that that's just not wherethey're at.
You know, I again, I'm raising a13-year-old teenager right now.
I'm not raising a 55-year-oldgrown man.
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Yeah.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:05):
I think something that has been like the biggest
thing that I've been saying thisyear, and I know everyone thinks
it's funny, but I'm being soserious, is that my frontal lobe
is developing.
And if I could go back, I'd justwant to say, like, you're not
dealing with someone that has afrontal lobe yet.
And like I couldn't comprehendit.
You know, like in the time I getit, you're saying weed leads to
(16:26):
cocaine and cocaine leads tometh, and meth leads to
something else, but I'm justhaving a good time and you don't
get it.
Right.
Because you don't want to have agood time.
You're old.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
I didn't have a frontal lobe, and my parents
did.
And I know that's so funny andit's laughable, but it genuinely
is true.
Like you're looking at thebigger picture, I can't even
comprehend the bigger photo yet,you know?
And that that's like the biggestthing.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
That's such a great takeaway.
Uh, here's where things begin totake off because at the age of
16, you graduated high schoolearly.
I did.
Okay.
And for those who do not knowKinley personally, uh, she is a
very smart, business, savvyyoung woman.
Um, and and and she's a she's adon't get in my way type of
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girl.
SPEAKER_01 (17:06):
That's a really good way of putting it.
SPEAKER_00 (17:08):
Yeah, I think that's a fair way of putting it.
And I think anybody that knowsyou is probably chuckling at
that right now.
But but you're also the type ofwoman that, hey, I see the
vision and I'm gonna go get it,type of gap.
Thank you.
Right, which I think is a giftthat God has given you.
It's a drive in your life.
Um, I also believe, Kenley, as Iwas preparing for this podcast,
I believe that that's one of thereasons why the enemy, Satan,
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has tried so hard to keep youfrom turning to God because the
enemy knows, and he knew, thatif you ever surrendered to God,
you would use all of your giftsand talents for God's kingdom
purposes.
Thank you.
So God's impact on your life,Kay, is far greater than just
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the life of Kinley.
It goes beyond that.
It it it really, even with yoursocial media things, it has the
potential, if it hasn't already,to be global.
So so you just never know likewhat God is doing beyond that.
I I know even right now, uh thisthis podcast is is is listened
in in over 22 differentcountries and territories across
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the world.
So like about think about howGod is using your testimony
right now, even to be heard frompeople that tune in in Brazil,
in in Japan, in in uh Germany.
It's just people all over uh thePhilippines that that listen and
they're hearing your testimonyright now.
And I believe that this is justone more piece that the enemy
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didn't want you doing here atthis table.
Amen.
Sharing your testimony, and youdo such a wonderful job of
sharing the love of God in yourlife now.
Thank you.
But I really believe that justas much as you're a go-getter,
right?
The enemy didn't want you gogetting it for the kingdom.
Amen.
And he was trying, he was tryinghis hardest.
Uh so this is when you begintrying to earn your parents'
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trust back, right?
Dad caught you, they they gotyou, they're trying to enforce
and lay down the law, right?
Yeah.
Um, this is when you're tryingto earn their trust back.
You begin working full-time inyour career.
As I mentioned, you graduatedearly.
Very proud of you for that.
Uh, but but you still haven'tsold out to God at this point in
your life.
You're still walking in worldlyways, but not as much because
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you're trying to keep it asecret, right?
Because if dad finds out again,you know what I mean?
Like you know how big the hammerwas that fell the first time.
You don't want to run thatgauntlet again with your dad,
right?
So now at age 17, let's getthere.
Because this this part is is soimportant to even be a warning
to our listeners.
SPEAKER_01 (19:37):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
At 17, you end up going to a party.
SPEAKER_01 (19:41):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:41):
Okay, and you smoke some weed, not knowing that the
weed had been laced withsomething.
The next thing you know, yourtestimony says that you wake up
to someone shaking you, yellingfor your friends, and you were
covered in your own vomit, andyour body was shaking
uncontrollably.
Yes, and you're foaming at themouth.
SPEAKER_02 (20:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:02):
God spoke so clearly to you that night.
What was the warning that Godgave you?
SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
Wake up.
You know, what are you doing?
And to backtrack just a tinybit, and this is where I
struggle as someone who aspiresto be a parent soon, was that I
was not supposed to be at thatparty, so I didn't have my
phone.
Um, I left my phone at afriend's house.
So not only I I mean, I thoughtI was gonna die.
Like I remember I was in churchevery Sunday.
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I couldn't tell you what asermon was on, but I said the
salvation prayer in my head inthat moment.
I could I could not speak.
And not that if I even had aphone, I could have called for
help, but I didn't have a phone.
Um, might I add, my parent or myfriends were in no condition to
help me.
No one at that party was.
I'll never forget the boy thatum shook me.
So I smoke and I should haveknown because the guy whose
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party it was always had weed,but he didn't smoke.
And looking back, that's soweird that he did that.
Um yeah.
So I wake up in the back of acar.
His car, we had smoked out ofhis trunk.
Um I wake up in the backseat ofhis car, so this boy, he's
shaking me.
And I open my eyes, just like, Idon't know if you've ever really
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like heard of like theout-of-body experience, it feels
like where you're like a footbeside yourself.
And I was like looking atmyself.
And past the vomit and the foamand shaking, I was just so
disappointed.
I was like, you know, I'm notonly taking off in my career, I
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had gone really big on socialmedia on TikTok, and I had
people driving a very, very longways to come see me to get their
hair done, but I wasn't evenlicensed to do hair yet.
And I was like, you have so muchgoing for yourself.
This is embarrassing.
I mean, I was embarrassed.
I like looking at myself out ofbody, I j I was mortified, but
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feeling it, that was to date thescariest moment of my entire
life.
It was.
And everyone around me is justscreaming.
I mean, it's like I don't Idon't know where everybody went.
I guess they smoked and thoughtI was just hanging out.
I mean, I don't I it that wasn'ta rare occasion for me to do at
the time.
Um, but I I don't know how longI had been laying there.
SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
Yeah, and and praise God that He's merciful enough to
give you another chance.
Amen.
That it didn't end that night.
SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
You're you're going to church during during this
time in your life, but it wassimply because your parents
required that of you.
Yeah.
Right since you lived in theirhome.
And in your testimony, you saythis, and I quote, I may have
been there at church.
I may have been there, but I wasnot there.
Explain that for everybody.
SPEAKER_01 (22:53):
I was there because I had to be.
I was not there.
You know, God is open.
God wants you all the time, butyou have to be open to him, you
know.
And again, I say, like in mychildhood, I checked the box of
coming in the building.
I checked the box of standing upduring praise and worship.
I was even probably takingcommunion at the time because I
thought I was saved, you know.
I thought it was enough.
And the sad thing is, back whenI was partying and stuff, there
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was other people there that wentto church with me on Sundays,
you know?
And we all kind of thought,like, oh, we go to church.
Like that, that's how you go toheaven.
We go to church.
SPEAKER_02 (23:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:25):
But I couldn't tell you what a sermon was that I
took away.
I couldn't tell you that Iraised my hands during worship,
you know.
I I was not, I was not checkedin, but I was physically
present.
SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you chose to ignore thewarning that God gave you in
that out-of-body experience.
You continued smoking weedbefore bed.
Okay.
Why why ignore the warning?
SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
Because it was easy.
Um, I think that at the age of16, 17, 18, like that young
adulthood.
It's a very lonely road to walkbecause there's very few people.
I like to say like my sister.
My sister has always just beenlike a very like faith-driven
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young adult when she was like inher young teenagers.
And there's very few people likethat.
And I'm I'm a very personableperson.
I like people, I like having alot of friends.
And I think that it was justlike so easy.
It's just so easy and fun tohang out with everybody else.
It was, I mean, I can even saynow, like, I had some good
memories messing up.
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I mean, there are some funnystories.
There were some good times.
Overall, do I miss it?
Absolutely not.
I'm so thankful that I walked itto have the testimony that I do
now.
I would not change it lookingback because if it has
completely shaped me into who Iam and how God has used me, not
only in younger adults' life,but even some of my clients.
You know, if you sit in mychair, you've come to a church
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service, sit down, buckle upbecause we're gonna talk about
the Lord most of the time.
Nine times out of ten.
And God has used that and it'samazing.
Um but it was just lonely, yeah,not partaking in it.
Honestly, I think if I if Icould go back and if you were to
look at me and say, what are youdoing?
I'd be like, Who am I supposedto hang out with?
SPEAKER_00 (25:08):
Yeah, and where do I go from here?
SPEAKER_01 (25:09):
Yeah, well, what do I do?
SPEAKER_00 (25:10):
Yeah.
Talk about talk about for amoment chasing a dream because
at the age of 19, you begin theprocess of opening your salon.
Yes, right.
You go on to open actually acouple other boutiques in the
process, and God told you thatit was going to be a ministry
that he was building for you.
And that's a faithful father.
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Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (25:32):
But living living the way that you're living, you
didn't think much of it at thetime.
Right?
You you're just successful,things are rolling.
TikTok famous, right?
Just just people know you.
I don't know if I get to thatexplain.
Popularity.
I I I think I say so.
But but Kay, that just shows thegoodness of God.
And I want to touch on thatpiece for a moment.
It shows the goodness of God, itshows the faithfulness of God
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that just because we go offcourse, God doesn't throw away
his plans for us.
SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (25:58):
You know, and like when I was preparing for this
podcast, that's one of thethings that the Holy Spirit was
just really blessing me with, isthat God still makes plans.
SPEAKER_02 (26:06):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
You know, we we we we may be ruining them in the in
in the moment, but God's stillmaking plans.
Yeah.
Because he loves us, becausehe's faithful.
Right, you know, right, and Ijust want to encourage the
listeners, write that downsomewhere in your house.
Like God's still making plans.
So when you wake up in themorning, you look in the mirror,
and no matter how bad it was thenight before, how bad you're
feeling when you wake up, readthat to yourself.
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Confess that over your life thatmy father is still busy making
plans for my life.
Second Timothy chapter 2, verse13 says this 2 Timothy 2, 13, if
we are faithless, he, God, heremains faithful, for he cannot
deny himself.
And I just love that becausewhen you were faithless to your
heavenly father, your heavenlyfather was remaining faithful to
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you.
So you continue to go on and andand party, but not as much.
You've you you've scaled back,at least in the public eye.
I'm a business owner now.
Yeah, you're a business owner.
There's a little reputation thatyou gotta have, right?
So in the beginning stages ofsuccess, uh this is when you
when you begin driving uh luxuryvehicles, right?
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You've you've got the money todo so now, and and and there is
financial success taking takingplace.
You you go on even at this earlyage to live in a home that you
paid for yourself.
Um, you are becoming verypopular on social media
platforms.
By many, you would be consideredthe it girl.
So from the outside, Kenley, youare looking extremely
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successful, and you are.
But the truth is on the inside,you're just a hot mess.
Chaos, right?
Chaos.
I think that's a great word forit.
Uh you said that the drinkingand the smoking never fulfilled,
they they never satisfied.
And and even this, and this issomething that I really thought
was really just deep in in thispart of your testimony.
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You said the drinking and thesmoking never gave fulfillment,
and even more of that was stillnever enough.
And it's such a good word thateven more of it, even more of
the world, more success withoutGod present is just never
enough.
Yeah, just never enough.
Um, you said this, and and and Iwanna I want to quote you on it.
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You said I loved attention, andI began dressing provocatively,
displaying myself on theinternet.
You went on to say that you hadlost it all.
Kinley, the worldly stuff justwasn't working, was it?
Matter of fact, you've gone like180 on that thing.
Yeah, even even you're recentlymarried, but before you got
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married, you posted a video thatshowed you were getting rid of
all those provocative clothesthat that did not bring honor to
you or your body and that woulddishonor your husband if you
wore it.
And maybe there's some people inyour circle that just don't
understand that right nowbecause they're not there.
So they wanted the clothes,right?
So they're not there, no,they're not there just like at
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one time you weren't thereeither, right?
But I love just how real you'rebeing in that moment when you're
like, look, I love theattention.
I begin to dress in a way that Ishould not be dressing.
Yeah, but that's not where youare today.
SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
That's not sh share with us, if you will, like what
made you make that change?
SPEAKER_01 (29:20):
Of getting rid of my clothes.
SPEAKER_00 (29:21):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (29:22):
Um, I had been having a really hard time
sleeping.
And God was waking me up and I II kept this is this this is a
recent testimony.
I kept making a big mistake oftalking and not listening.
And you know, I've I've alsospoken, I'm not gonna rabbit
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trail on this, but I've spoken alittle bit about me and my
husband now.
We I moved in with him before wewere married, and if I could go
back, I would change that.
And it's hard to rot right a lotof wrongs when you do that, such
as just sexual immorality andthings like that.
And by the grace of God, we didwalk in the call.
That he called us up to.
SPEAKER_02 (30:01):
Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
But up until we got married, like there was just
such an uneasiness in our home.
And God woke me up every nightand I kept talking.
But finally he was like, shutup.
Like, just listen.
I'm trying to talk to you.
SPEAKER_02 (30:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:17):
And he was like, there are things in this home
that you have got to get rid of.
Like, not just like the winebottles, but the wine glasses.
What are you keeping those for?
You know, like what do you incase someone comes over and
brings a glass of wine?
Like, what is it?
And it was my clothing.
That was one thing that he waslike, you are holding on to this
because the truth is, I I can bean adult enough to say this.
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I still have friends that stilllive that life.
I do.
I don't, I don't hang out withthem very often.
They don't want to hang out withme very often anymore.
And I'm very thankful for that.
But um you have no businessgoing where they take you.
And if you have nothing to wearthere, I know you well enough of
all people, you are not gonnago.
SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:57):
And that is where God was like, it's time, you
know?
And not only that, as someone Iwas engaged um at the time, this
was right before we got married,he was like, What respect are
you publicly not only having tome, but to your husband?
You know, nobody needs a wifeout here running around looking
like this.
And if you have it, you're gonnawear it one day.
Like I knew that that that wasmy moment of accountability.
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That was it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
Yeah, that's so good.
And and just to give people anidea, like we're probably
talking thousands of dollars.
SPEAKER_01 (31:25):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:26):
Thousands, oh yeah, thousands, thousands of dollars
of clothing that you just had tosay, I can't do this anymore.
And you didn't let what I loveabout that testimony is you
didn't let the price tagconvince you to keep it.
Right?
I did, you know.
Um, hey, I gotta get rid of thisstuff.
SPEAKER_01 (31:41):
I even had further conviction because I was gonna
take it and sell it.
And God was like, Well, whattype of example are you setting
to let somebody else buy thisstuff?
And I was like, oh, okay, Lord.
So if you want me to be honestwith you, I have not thrown it
in the trash yet.
It is still sitting in my home.
I'm not, it's going.
It's I'm not tempted to wear itagain.
I just haven't dealt with it.
Um, but it is, it is out of mycloset and it is not going back
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in my closet.
SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
Amen.
SPEAKER_01 (32:05):
There's a lot of money and clothing that is.
SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
Time to get rid of.
SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
I've got another quote from your testimony.
I want you to explain to thelisteners because this is deep.
You said, and I quote, I refuseto turn to God because I knew
enough about him to know that hedidn't just want part of me.
God wanted all of me.
So explain that because you alsosaid that you had surrounded
yourself with people who wouldyou who would think that you
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were crazy if you had turned toGod and surrendered to him.
So just explain that.
I I I knew I knew enough aboutGod to know that he didn't just
want part of me, he wanted allof me, and therefore I refuse to
turn to him.
SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
Yeah, you know, um, I looked at the people in my
life that did have God, and likea few people that just instantly
come to mind are like you and mymother, you know?
And you you guys don't reallyhave any junk, you know, like
none.
Um everybody has junk, butnothing, any spiritual leader
that I looked at didn't havelike any lukewarm areas.
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Right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
You gotta be all in.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because I'm I makemistakes, right?
But but I have I had devoted mylife to be all in.
Yes, but by the grace of God.
SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
Absolutely.
And I didn't want that.
Like the clothing, like I knewsomething that God recently,
unfortunately, has convicted meof is the luxury life that I've
lived.
And that that's what I knew hewas gonna do, you know.
He was like, You drive a Porschefor show.
I don't even drive it anymore.
It sits in my driveway.
I should get rid of it.
Because that that's not for you,that's for everyone else to say,
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she's a successful businessowner.
She's got it going on.
You don't know what my bankaccount looks like.
I could be in the negatives andyou would have no idea, you
know?
Right.
Everything was for show.
And that is why I did not wantto devote myself because I knew
that I had so many areas in mylife that even I questioned.
Should I be doing this?
SPEAKER_00 (33:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
That I knew God was gonna take.
SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
You knew God, you knew God's answer, didn't you?
SPEAKER_01 (33:59):
If I questioned it without a frontal lobe, I knew
the Lord with the frontal lobewas gonna be like, okay, girl,
go on.
SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
At the age of 21, you become exhausted.
Yeah.
Tired of running.
Mental chaos.
And and I think that everyperson who's running from God
can can can say that, hey, thisthis is the part where I
crashed, right?
You you just become exhausted,you're tired of running.
You said that Satan no longercame after you because Satan
already had yeah, he did.
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And and there was there was agirl who ends up working at your
salon, and everything justseemed like it was going good
for this, for this sister inChrist, right?
For this girl in her life.
And she's glowing, and in yourtestimony, it says that the
light of Jesus Christ wasshining forth from her life.
You decided to go to church withher, okay, and and you go, and
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you said that that Satan wasjust all over you, distracting
you.
When you get there, you judgedeveryone in the room.
You you judged the person who'spreaching.
Uh it was you.
Was it at CFO?
Okay, so you're judging, you'rejudging your uncle, are you?
I was talking about that when itshows over.
I'll explain.
So, so you're judging, you'rejudging the preaching, okay?
And and here, here's the thingthat I was like, man, isn't the
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devil just a dirty devil?
You even judged a woman's hairsitting in front of you.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (35:12):
Not just the one in front of me, everybody.
I was looking at everybody, Iwas like, I know they don't come
to howdy lose.
Where do they go?
SPEAKER_00 (35:18):
So, so so so your mind, I think it's safe to say
that your mind's not even onchurch, right?
It's it's not even on where itneeds to be.
Um, what did you what did youhear in church that day?
There was something in yourtestimony that you heard.
Yeah, I'll never forget.
You're just tired of running.
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And and at that point you saidthat you heard this word out of
everything that you heard inchurch, you hear this word that
if you're tired of running,you've come to the right place.
Explain that feeling because yousay that that moment is where it
all changed for you in yourlife.
SPEAKER_01 (35:54):
I remember just saying to myself, if I can get
to the car, I can have abreakdown.
But I can't do that in herebecause my mom would know she
got what she's been praying for.
And in that moment, I I knewthat I wasn't ready to fully
surrender.
SPEAKER_02 (36:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:15):
So I didn't want anyone to know that I'd gotten
that word.
And I know that that sounds sosilly, but if someone's
listening to this right now andthey're running, they know
exactly what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
You know, because then someone'sgonna be like, oh, Kimley was at
church on Sunday, she wascrying, God is working in her
life.
Let me send her a text messageand encourage her.
I didn't want no encouragement.
I was like, Lord, why'd youlike, you know, like in that
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moment, it was such abittersweet because I was so
tired of running and I was sotired, like so ready to be
there.
But there also was just like,you know, like they say, like
devil on one shoulder, the Lordon the other.
And the devil was just like, ohno, you love your car, you love
your life, you know, you loveeverything that you've built for
yourself.
You live in an immaculate home,you're gonna lose it all, you
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know.
Um, and I didn't want to, but itwas time.
SPEAKER_00 (37:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Time to step into the plan thatGod had for your life.
Amen.
You know, because that plan isis far greater than any plan
that you could create foryourself.
Yeah.
You you end up asking God totake control of your life and to
show you what he has for you.
And within 24 hours, I I justkind of smiled when I read this.
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You give your life over to God,and one would think, okay,
everything's gonna be great.
Everything's gonna be fantastic,right?
Within 24 hours, you'rehomeless.
SPEAKER_01 (37:31):
I am.
SPEAKER_00 (37:32):
So it doesn't always work out the way we think it
does, does it, Kay?
SPEAKER_01 (37:35):
No, it does not.
SPEAKER_00 (37:36):
You know, but sometimes here's the deal the
the potter has to break down thevessel.
SPEAKER_01 (37:40):
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (37:41):
You know, the the potter, he he's so good that
remember what I said earlier,we're doing our thing, but God's
still making plans.
Yeah, and he's got to break somethings, Kay, that that weren't
in our life according to orshouldn't have been in our life
according to his plans.
So he's gonna have to destroywhat we've built up inside of us
that does not belong, right?
Pride has to go, jealousy, envy.
(38:02):
If people are out therestruggling with that, it has to
go.
Worldliness, sinfulness,ungodliness, it all has to go.
He's so faithful and he wants tocreate in us a clean and a pure
heart, as David says, create inme, O Lord, right?
A clean heart, uh, a new heart,a pure heart.
So he he's got you right wherehe wanted you, and then you
begin to see God's plan for yourlife.
SPEAKER_02 (38:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
You know, and I guess I could we could also
maybe look at this too as like,is the enemy potentially trying
one last shot to get you back?
Like, okay, you come to God, nowyou got nowhere to go.
You know, you're homeless.
Like, remember how good I gaveit to you over here?
Remember how good you had itwhen you weren't sold out to
Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (38:41):
You know, the whole portion of my life of that time,
after um about four weeks wenton, I would say that I I just
about did go back to it.
It was probably like three weeksin.
Um, I was again, yep, Godstripped me.
I was homeless.
Um, I did get what I prayed for.
I was laying in bed, I wassobbing, I was hysterical, and I
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was like, God, just if you Iknow that you're faithful enough
to make everything work out,just give me faith to trust the
process.
And yeah, about a little, it wasprobably like 18 hours later.
Um, I was homeless.
I was at my parents' housecrying on their doorstep.
And one thing about my dad, he'sthere's not many things he can't
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fix that.
He he fixed it the best way thathe knew how.
And um, he gave me a place tolive, but shortly after that, I
cannot live with my parents.
I've been living on my own sinceI was 18 years old.
So um I go and I get my ownhome.
And mind you, wait, God strippedme.
I went from a half a milliondollar home to like an 80s
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trailer, you know?
So, like this talk about humble.
That this is this is this is thedefinition of Kenley's humble
moment, you know?
SPEAKER_02 (39:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:55):
And um I just about did go back because it was hard,
you know, and it was, might Ijust add, it was lonely.
It was so lonely because thepeople that I had surrounded
myself with for so long, theydid not get it.
They were like, girl, you prayedto huh?
And he said, What?
And you are where with who?
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Like, what is going on, youknow?
SPEAKER_02 (40:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:18):
So that was the moment that I know for a fact
God allowed me to be lonely fora little bit.
Because if I wasn't talking tosomeone else, I had to talk to
him.
And if someone else, if my if Ihad girlfriends that knew I was
living by myself, they wouldhave come over and had a sleep
over, but then I wouldn't havebeen talking to the Lord, you
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know.
SPEAKER_00 (40:39):
So he got you in a place, yeah, it's like he
isolated you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just with him.
Yeah.
So that you could listen and youcould also speak with him.
Yeah.
So homelessness didn't mean toend.
No.
You know, uh, it it meant a signof new beginning, uh, a sign of
God saying, Okay, Kenley, you'vedone it your way.
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Now, now we're gonna try mine.
Yeah, right.
And at age 22, you are a newcreation, a new creature in
Christ.
You surrendered to God, you'veallowed him to take over, and
look at you now, sister.
Uh, 2 Corinthians 5 17 saysthis.
Paul writes, Therefore, ifanyone is in Christ, he is a new
creation.
The old is passed away.
Behold, the new has come.
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And Kenley, I am so blessed tosee that your new is here.
Amen.
And it's not over.
God still, I believe God isstill showing you and still yet
to show you what is more tocome.
I I think you're just on thecusp of it, to be honest with
you.
I think you're just, I don'teven think you've even begun to
see the pinnacle of what God hasfor your plan.
This is just another chapter ofwhat I believe is going to be a
(41:45):
very beautiful, long, longstory.
I know you said starting arelationship without Christ can
be difficult, but God isteaching you how to right your
wrongs.
SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
Pre-getting married, I really devote my life to
Christ when me and Jordanstarted dating.
Like that was really the timeframe when there was like true,
just like devotion to the Lord.
But we did start out on a rockyfoot, you know, like we were we
were partying all the time.
A lot of our friends haveside-by-sides.
We got side-by-side riding.
We go to bike week, you know,like there's there's some really
(42:20):
good times in there.
But also, like, sorry to talkabout this because you are my
uncle.
But like the thing the worldsays is so normal is sexual
immorality.
Like, I mean, that is just likeyou got to see if you're
compatible with someone, youknow, like there's just so many
things that the world says, likeyou have to, it's you're crazy
if you don't, you know.
Um, but I'm thankful for a Godthat is faithful and forgiving.
(42:43):
And I'm thankful that he gave mea man that trusts me when I say
things, you know.
And when I first kind of waslike, hey, we really should stop
partaking in this, he was like,huh?
What are you talking about?
You never talked about thisbefore.
Why are you talking about itnow, you know?
Um, and I was like, but if wewant to receive blessings and
the fullness of God and walk inhis glory and have peace over
(43:05):
our home, like we've got to, youknow, we've got to.
SPEAKER_02 (43:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:09):
So we did get rid of a lot of the our things, a lot
of things in our life at thetime, such as those.
And that was closer to usgetting married than not.
Honestly, like I really wouldsay that was in the past like
six months or so.
Um, now married, now where I'mat, and not all this is just
since I've been married, butjust generally speaking, um, you
(43:30):
know, God spoke that word when Iopened Howdy Loose that this is
going to be a ministry one day.
And I I so like I just kind offorgot about it.
And recently he reminded me ofit.
And I host a Bible study therenow, you know, and I think
that's so beautiful that likethe plans that we have when
we're living in such disaster,we don't know what we're doing
(43:51):
tomorrow.
I don't know.
Don't ask me.
I don't know the answer.
God had a plan for my life yearsahead, you know?
And I think to the parent thatis struggling with maybe their
child going astray as my parentsdid, or to the person who is
astray and they don't know, Godhas a plan for you to come back,
you know?
And it was like just that likeprophetic word that he put in my
(44:12):
life that I don't even I tookwith a grain of salt.
Now is like you loved me so muchbefore I treated you so bad, and
before I took your name in vain,and before I treated the people
around me horribly and lied tothem.
I mean, I painted this wholelife to my family members.
Y'all had no idea.
(44:33):
I mean, maybe you could takeyour guesses, but no, no one
knew just how bad it was.
Went on behind my closed doorsin so many levels.
Um, and it's so beautiful now tobe like, you had such a plan,
and I I hate that I did thesethings, but I love that it was
your plan all along to use themas testimony, you know.
That's so that's so beautiful.
(44:54):
So also saying that, if you havesomeone in your life that's
struggling and you have a wordthat you're like, one day, this
person's gonna get it together,hold on to that.
Yeah, because I never even toldanyone God had said that because
I didn't feel like care whatanybody had to say about it.
And now look at it, you know?
SPEAKER_00 (45:09):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
It's so beautiful.
SPEAKER_00 (45:11):
Absolutely.
And he's not finished with it.
Yeah, he's he's still makingplans for your life.
SPEAKER_01 (45:18):
Yeah.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Amen.
Let's pray.
Father, I am so grateful forthis time that we've had here
together at this table becauseit's more than just Kenley and
myself.
Uh, Father, it's about theministry that you're gonna do
with this episode.
And Lord, I pray in the name ofthe blood of Jesus that you
would use it, that you wouldtake it far beyond any far
beyond any level that we couldever comprehend.
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That it would hit the thehearts, the ears, the minds of
the people that need to hear it,and that they would be willing
to share it with those that alsoneed to hear it.
Father, we thank you.
We thank you for the power thatis in the testimony, that we
give you all of the honor, allof the glory, all of the credit,
and all of the praise.
And we just encourage right nowin this moment, anybody that may
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be listening, that's struggling,they want to do right.
They need that little push, theyneed that nudge just to begin to
do right.
Father, I pray that your HolySpirit will begin to convict
them and show them the way inwhich they should go, that today
they would cry out to the nameof Jesus for help.
For it is that name, the name ofJesus, that is above every name.
And we ask all this in the nameand the blood of our risen Lord
(46:20):
and Savior Jesus Christ, and allGod's people said, Amen, amen,
and amen.
God bless you, and until nexttime, continue to serve the
Lord.
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