December 22, 2025 • 31 mins
What if the person you’re ready to write off becomes tomorrow’s testimony? We sit with the sting of rejection in Luke 9—when a Samaritan village shuts its doors and the disciples reach for the quickest solution: burn it all down. Then we follow the long arc of grace to Acts 8, where the same ground hosts a move of God, and John returns not with wrath, but with open hands and a prayer for the Spirit to fall.
We talk candidly about “Sons of Thunder” moments—the rush to justify anger as righteousness—and how Jesus redirects passion into mercy. An image of old barbed-wire fences anchors the conversation: God’s Word sets protective lines, yet love sometimes asks us to cross hard boundaries with patience and tenderness. We unpack what it means to “trespass in love,” expecting a few cuts yet refusing to let frustration lock another door in someone’s heart. Along the way, we name the everyday mission fields we often miss: the break room cynic, the slow checkout line, the neighbor who has heard our invite ten times and still says no.
There’s a challenge and a comfort here. Go to God’s throne before anyone else’s table. Trade the impulse to win a moment for the desire to win a soul. Sometimes you love from a distance until the Spirit sends you back; when that day comes, you return to lay hands, not lay waste. If God can turn Luke 9’s “no” into Acts 8’s revival, imagine what He can do with the hardened places in your world. Write “potential hope” on your heart and step over the fence with grace.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:07):
Welcome to this episode of Beyond Sunday.
I am your host, Pastor Lee Day,and I pastor Christ Family
Outreach Church located inAmelia, Virginia.
And today I have sitting with meat the table a brother in the
Lord.
He has been here before, butit's been a little while since
he's been back on.
Frankie, Brother Frankie Brown,how are you doing today, my good
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brother?
I'm blessed to be here with youagain, bro.
Amen, brother.
Doing it again in honor of theLord.
In the name of the Lord, bro.
Amen.
Folks, if you've got your Bibleswith you, we're gonna begin in
Luke chapter 9, verses 51through 56.
And this is what the text says.
Luke 9, 51 through 56.
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When the days drew near for him,Jesus, to be taken up, he set
his face to go to Jerusalem.
And he sent messengers ahead ofhim who went and entered a
village of the Samaritans tomake preparations for him.
But the people did not receivehim because his face was set
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toward Jerusalem.
And when his disciples, Jamesand John, saw it, they said,
Lord, do you want us to tellfire to come down from heaven
and consume them?
But he turned and rebuked themand they went on to another
village.
Brother Frankie, this villagedid not want to receive Jesus.
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The text makes that clear.
So James and John were so upsetabout it, right?
That they wanted to call firedown from heaven and destroy the
entire place.
So right out the gate, BrotherFrankie, right out the gate,
what are your thoughts on this?
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
James and John is where I find myself really
relating.
I want to call fire down.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Oh, we've all been there before,bro.
Yep.
And especially as growing in theLord and stuff and all these
things he's weeding in and outof our life, out of our soul,
out of our spirit.
Um, sometimes I still findmyself getting confused of like,
what am I doing?
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You know, I'll be you know,doing ministry, but then find my
flesh rising up against abrother I may love because of
something they made a said orsaid or done, or vice versa.
Yeah.
And you feel that fire, I wantto call fire down, and sometimes
I forget like Jesus came to savefolks, man.
And yeah, it's like, man, whatam I what am I doing?
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
We set our mind towards destroying something or
someone.
But Jesus is there to save themand offer mercy, grace, and and
and forgiveness.
Yep.
It's so true.
And here's the thing about whatJames and John are doing, and
here's the thing about what youdo that you just mentioned, and
what I'm guilty of as well.
When we feel like we want tocall fire down on someone, we're
gonna, we're gonna, we're gonnamake a reason for it.
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We're gonna justify it.
And we're gonna say, oh, well,well, it's our righteousness in
Christ that makes us feel thisway, right?
Like those people shouldn't bedoing this to me, or those
people shouldn't be acting thatway towards other people.
And and we'll claim it in thename of righteousness, but yet
all the while you see Jesusdoing what he's doing here in
the text, and he's like, no, hehe rebukes James, James and
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John.
That's right.
He rebukes James and John, andhe's like, no, that's that's not
how we need to be acting.
You know, that's not the thoughtprocess that we need to be
having.
Mark chapter 3, 17.
We're told that Jesus givesJames and John a nickname.
Tell the people what it is,Brother Frankie.
Hey, it's the Sons of Thunder.
Sons of Thunder.
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You know, so so this nickname,Sons of Thunder, it it's kind of
both good and bad.
You know, they they get itbecause they've got some really
great qualities and greattraits.
But then also those qualitiesand traits, when they're not
harnessed and controlled andunder the spirit of the Lord,
they tend to veer them off path.
Thus, them saying, God, can we,should we be calling down fire
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from heaven?
Yeah, you know, to destroy notjust some of the people, the
entire city, you know, theentire town, the entire place.
So, so this nickname Sons ofThunder, it tells of their
passion, it tells of theirintensity, uh, they they had
boldness and a fervor inministry as well.
Again, all great things, allgreat traits, all great
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qualities, Brother Frankie, aslong as they're harnessed
correctly in the name of theLord.
SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:24):
You know, all great things.
SPEAKER_01 (04:25):
I'm thinking too, bro, it's just even for the
listener for ourselves rightnow, like just asking God, like,
what are some of our Sons ofThunder moments that we've had?
You know what I mean?
So good.
Asking the Spirit just toilluminate that because if we
revisit those Sons of Thunder'smoments, I I believe we can go
back and find where we where wemissed the mark at and use that
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to actually hit the mark in thetimes to come.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
Nothing wrong with getting fired up, but what we
won't what we don't want to dois call fire down.
Right.
We can get fired up withoutcalling fire down.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01 (04:59):
I think it's important to note too that these
brothers um they once was uhwanting to shake the dust off
their feet when when when Christtold them that in the
scriptures, you know?
Yeah.
But they went from trying toshake the dust off their feet to
to turn the people into dust.
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
Yeah, that's right.
Jesus told them, hey, if you gointo a town and they do not
accept you in my name, then justshake the dust off your feet,
off your feet, off your sandalsand and head on out to the next
place.
But these brothers want to turnpeople into dust now, you know?
Yeah, man, they're ready to cookthem into ashes.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Isn't that something, bro?
Isn't that something, BrotherFrankie?
Like, God will give us aninstruction.
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And then we want to go 10 stepspast the word that God gave us.
SPEAKER_01 (05:36):
And that's that that spiritual fervor, too, that
that's unchecked, you know.
Yeah.
I believe that that helpselevate that to the next level,
such as we see in the text righthere.
Yeah.
Because they've been with Jesusfor so long, you know, already.
Spending every day with him.
And here they are again.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
As we were praying before we came on the air, one
of the things I kind of justseen like this this vision while
we were praying of just an oldfield.
And I can remember um old fieldsthat I used to walk in or hunt
in when I was younger.
And the thing about old fieldsor old farmland, old properties,
is that you see the old barbedwire fences that have been there
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since before we were born.
That's right.
You know, and oftentimes they'rewith an old cedar post and and
it's and it's rotted or leaningover, or it's been wrapped
around a cedar tree of sometype, and and and you can see
where the old barbed wire was.
You can see where the line wasthat the farmer or the property
owner did not wanting someone tocross or uh animals, livestock
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to cross.
And how many times in life, youknow, I look at it like the word
is like that.
God has laid down that line,he's laid down that property
line that he does not want us tocross.
And he'll even give us specificinstructions on why not to cross
it.
But yet as as people, wejustify, Brother Frankie, we
justify why we want to takeanother step on the other side
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of that and thus create our ownpath into some pasture land or
into some some hardwood propertythat we're not supposed to be
in.
And maybe some listeners outthere right now are in some hard
woods or they're in they're insome pasture land that they were
never called to graze in.
That's so good, bro.
Never never ever called to bethere.
But the Sons of Thunder momentis what took them there.
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That's right.
You know, they they were theywere hyped up on one side, as
they should be.
You know, the Sons of Thunder,all these great qualities.
But then they don't harnessthose qualities, and next thing
you know it, they crossed theline.
That's right.
And that's exactly where Jamesand John find themselves.
Instead of what clearing thedust, shaking the dust from the
sandals, you're so right,Brother Frankie.
Now all of a sudden they'recalling down fire to turn these
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people into ash.
That's right, bro.
The problem, the problem istheir intensity clouded their
vision.
And we've all been there before.
You know what I mean?
Absolutely.
Uh they're not seeing what Jesuswants to do because they're too
busy thinking about what theywant to do.
And how many of us out therehave been there before?
Because I know I have.
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Brother Frankie, as the Sons ofThunder are so upset that they
want to call fire down fromheaven and kill everyone in the
entire town.
But Jesus, on the other hand,his heart is to save the town.
And we're gonna get into thatpiece in just a moment.
But how many times in our livesdo we shut people out because
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they're not like us or they'vethey've made it clear that they
don't believe what we believe,right?
And so this is the part of thepassage that shows a lack, it
shows a lack of love andcompassion for those who do not
believe what they believed.
So, Brother Frankie, thedisciples were so quick to shut
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this entire town down, juststraight destroy it because they
didn't accept Jesus, that all ofa sudden they're now unwilling
to save anybody in the future.
So they're willing to ruin anyfuture opportunity of these
people getting saved.
So I wonder how many times wecancel out opportunities with
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others because we're too busycondemning them for their
present actions.
SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
Yeah, because uh verse 53 right there it says,
but the people there did notwelcome him because he was hit
out, he was hidden forJerusalem.
I love that part, man.
Like that's the rejection partright there, like you were just
talking about, brother.
Yeah.
Getting fired up, you know, thatthat these people have opposed
that.
They have an opposition againstthem now.
But rather than seeing them aslike the future mission field,
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so to speak, they would justwant to destroy the mission
field.
But they don't realize that.
They don't they don't see thatjust yet.
And I wonder how many times inour life have we destroyed a
mission field simply because wehad a disagreement with
somebody, or we tried to presentthe gospel to somebody and they
rejected it, and we felt we tookit personally like they were
rejecting us, you know?
Yeah when they were when theywere just rejecting the gospel,
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yeah, something that we fullyhave accepted.
SPEAKER_00 (09:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:59):
But rather than be patient and show Christ to them,
even through the rejection, wejust want to burn it down.
That's so good.
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
A mission field.
Are we are we looking at peoplewho reject the gospel?
Are we looking at them as, well,they're they're condemned,
they're done, or or rather,better yet, are we looking at
them as you know what?
That's that's my future missionfield.
That that that's my missionfield right there.
That's a fire perspective.
Yeah, that that that's that'sthat's who I'm going out to win
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for the Lord right there.
That's that's who I'm going torescue.
That that's that's a rescuestory right there waiting to
happen.
Yes, it is.
Rather than just, you know, shutthe door on them and and and
lock it, you know, three, fourtimes.
You ever seen those lock thosedoors that got like just a pile
of locks?
Oh, like eight different typesof locks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So so rather than just shut thedoor and and just strap all
those locks and say, Well, I'mnever going through that door
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again, or they're never comingthrough that.
You know, they they said no.
I mean, think about how manytimes we said no.
Amen.
You know, like how quick we areto forget.
Like, how many times did we sayno before we accepted Christ?
We would done lock doors too.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
Those eight different types of locks.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
They used to be on the inside of us, man.
And and how many times do wehelp people lock a door?
That's right.
You know what I mean?
By our own behavior.
And they look at that and theysay, man, if that's a Christian,
I don't want to be like that.
Door lock.
Door lock.
Door lock.
You know what I mean?
Like, how many times do we helpother people lock doors based
off of our attitude at the gaspump at the gas station?
Based off our attitude uh at thegrocery store because someone in
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front of us has taken so long.
You know what I mean?
Like, how many times do we helppeople lock doors?
And these are our mission fieldmoments.
These are literal mission fieldopportunities.
You know, there's nothing wrongwith getting on a plane and
going all across the world uh tobe missionaries.
We're called to do that.
Yeah.
But we cannot, we cannot forgetthe fact that as we're flying
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over uh uh nations and and andstates to go to mission fields,
um, as we're going there, we'rewe're also leaving mission
fields.
Yeah.
You know, so so there's amission field right here where
we live at.
Yeah.
That the people that weconstantly see, they're the
mission field that we should behitting as well.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
Man, I'm I'm I'm sitting here thinking too, bro,
as you're as you're saying allthat, going back to the
illustration that you gave us abeautiful imagery with your
words about that old field, oldpasture, pasture with um with
fences and bob wire fences andstuff like that.
Yeah.
Man, if we're gonna if we'regonna trespass over a fence,
man, let it let it be ustrespassing over somebody with a
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hardened heart, like thatmission field, you know.
Start seeing them like that andtrespass in love.
Like let's start trespassing inpatience.
Yeah, let's let's starttrespassing with with
understanding, you know, yeahand finding that that that
common ground where we canactually establish a
relationship so that our impactcan actually make it can hit his
mark, man.
Yeah.
Amen.
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Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (12:49):
When you say that, I think about a person in a break
room at a job somewhere orwhatever, uh, and and he's
hardened to the gospel, right?
But you know what?
I'm gonna go in there today andI'm gonna love that man.
Yeah, and I'm gonna trespassover the boundary that he's
clearly set, that he doesn'twant to hear the gospel from my
mouth anymore.
Yeah.
I'm gonna trespass over thathardened boundary, that hardened
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heart, and I'm gonna go in thereand I'm gonna give that man love
today, and I'm gonna love himthe way Jesus wants me to love
him.
So I'm gonna trespass into thatmission field.
SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
And look, I'm gonna just be honest too.
I I done done my trespassingright.
I done crossed some old barwirefences, get to that nice pond,
you know what I'm saying?
And look, let's just be honest.
When you trespass and cross overa fence, you're gonna get cut.
SPEAKER_00 (13:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
You you that old barwire still can cut you, man.
It can.
And so when we when we trespassin in love in the in the mission
field that's with the heart andhearts and stuff, like just
beware.
Like, you're gonna get cut, butit's gonna be worth it.
Yeah, God's gonna heal themwounds, man.
SPEAKER_00 (13:47):
It's not always gonna be easy, is it?
SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
It's a greater purpose there.
So just it just have thatexpectation.
Yeah.
As you trespass in love.
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
Yeah.
I think I think as even as wesay this, I think about like
missionaries that go into placeslike China, or they they go into
places where where they're notwelcome.
Yeah, they're they're crossinglines, they're crossing borders
where the where the government,the political system does not
want them in there, but itdoesn't keep them from crossing
the line in hopes that they'regonna bring Jesus into
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somebody's life.
Amen, bro.
And then you look at it likeback to this guy at let's just
say at somebody's job with thathardened heart.
It's like, hey man, I'm gonnaI'm gonna cross this boundary,
I'm gonna cross this line, andI'm gonna offer you the love of
Jesus.
And I'm doing this in faith.
I'm stepping into this missionfield in faith, Brother Frankie,
believing that when this guyturns and accepts a softened
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heart, that I'm gonna look athim and say, Come follow me.
I know the way back to saferpasture.
Yeah, I know the way back tosafer ground.
Yeah, there's a path that I tookto get to you.
Come on, come with me.
We're going back.
That's right.
So good.
Praise God for that.
Brother Frankie, there's achange in the tide, so to speak,
because this town that thedisciples wanted to burn down,
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eventually, it's got a revivalgoing on with inside of it.
Praise God.
You know what I mean?
Acts chapter 8, friends.
If you don't know it, Actschapter 8, 14 through 17 speaks
of this town.
This town that it once rejectedJesus himself.
This town that James and Johnasked Jesus if they could call
fire down from heaven anddestroy all of them.
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This town that James and Johnwanted to give up on, this this,
as Brother Frankie called it,this mission field opportunity
that James and John just wantedto forsake and have nothing to
do with.
This town in Acts 8, 14 through17 says this.
Now, when the apostles atJerusalem heard that Samaria had
received the word of God, theysent to them Peter and John, who
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came down and prayed for themthat they might receive the Holy
Spirit, for he had not yetfallen on any of them, but they
had only been baptized in thename of the Lord Jesus.
Then they laid their hands onthem and they received the Holy
Spirit.
So, Brother Frankie, theatmosphere had changed
completely.
SPEAKER_01 (16:04):
Completely, man.
And look, let's touch on thisfor a second, bro, before we
before we move forward.
Like, this this is the same Johngoing back, right?
Yeah.
Like it was James and John, nowit's Peter and John going back.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you can only imagineas a as once a son of thunder,
right?
Yeah.
Like he's being sent back to thetown that he wanted to call the
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people, call fire down on thepeople, turn them in ash, and
now he's going to lay hands onthem so that they can receive
the spirit.
And praise God, like if he didit then, and as we're reading in
Acts 8 and Luke 9, like he cando it again.
Praise God, right?
That's right, brother.
So he can do it in our he can doit when we cross these barwire
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fences.
So good.
And there's gonna be scars inthem trees, too.
Like, like you were talkingabout back to that.
Man, that image is so beautiful,bro.
But even the trees bury the thewounds and the scars of having
that fence wrapped around it.
And and that's just marks, man,of boundaries that that were
kept for a reason, but alsoboundaries that need to be
crossed at some point oranother.
Otherwise, that fence would havepermanently stayed.
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And I'm just believing by faithright now, bro, that that it's
some boundaries being torn down.
Amen, bro.
And it's some crossing to takeplace.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
And and I'm hoping that by the readers listening to
what Acts chapter 8 has tooffer, that we understand that
there's some there's somemission field, there's some
ground that we got to go backand revisit for some people that
we shut the door and locked sothat it could not open.
Well, they rejected going tochurch.
I'm not gonna invite himanymore.
I've asked them 30 timesalready, and you know, they they
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I've just given up on thembecause they ain't coming back.
Like that's the mission field.
That's the mission field we gotto get back onto right there.
Yeah.
You know, these these these guysare going back to a place that
at one time um they wanna theywant to call call fire down as
the disciples on onto thesepeople.
And you're right, brotherFrankie.
You just mentioned the scripturesays that now they're laying
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hands.
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
Laying hands, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (17:57):
They're laying hands and praying for these same
people to receive the gift ofthe Holy Spirit, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
I mean, it's so huge.
And I wonder what Peter'sthinking, too, man, as he's as
he's going out there with John,you know, walking out with that
brother, you know, that he'sknown in this town, like want to
call, you know what I'm saying?
But he's walking faithfully withhim to this town because he
knows, man, that laying hands onand them receiving the spirit is
so much greater than the Son ofThunder moment.
Yeah, yeah.
John, it's it's not about yourreputation.
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Uh uh.
It's all about Christ.
And I'm right here with you,bro.
We're gonna we're gonna walkback in there.
We're gonna walk back in theretogether.
Because we want to see thatthese people, we want to see the
word active and alive.
Yeah, they done received theword, bro.
Yeah, that's powerful.
SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
Yeah, they've been baptized, been baptized.
Yeah, so so what a humblingmoment for John.
He yeah, John's getting ready tocome back into Samaria and see
the same people that he wantedto destroy, Brother Frank.
The same people that he wantedto call fire down on and just
burn up to a lot of people.
And why would that change you,bro?
Yeah, bro.
Oh, that change you.
The same, the same people.
And now when he walks into thisthis town of Samaria, he's gonna
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see these people rejoicingbecause they had salvation.
This is the same people thatrejected Jesus.
Yes.
But now they're rejoicing.
I I think, Brother Frankie, Ithink that we'd be we'd all be
much better off if we could seelike John ended up having the
opportunity to see.
When we when we look at ourenemies, we should try and see
the potential hope that Godwould reveal Himself to them and
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that they would choose salvationthrough Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
The potential hope.
And and and and man, if you'retaking notes out there, or even
if you're not, just write thosetwo words across across your
heart.
The potential hope.
So when you see that hardenedman at work today, when you see
that hardened lady at worktoday, think about the potential
hope that's there.
Think about that mission fieldand what it could look like.
SPEAKER_01 (19:40):
Hey, brother, I want to ask you a question.
In all your years of experience,you know, pastoring and doing
counseling and stuff like that.
In your opinion, what what whatwould it look like if people
would truly set their facetowards like Jerusalem, so to
speak, like the peace part ofit, um, or even set up.
Their face towards Jesus.
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
Man, that's a great question.
I noticed without a shadow of adoubt, there would be a lot less
people coming for counsel.
One of the things that I findpeople are most guilty of is
when they when they come forsome help in their marriage, or
when they come for help withtheir children, or when they
come with an offense that'shappened from someone within the
church, maybe even the pastor,who knows?
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One of the things that I findpeople are most guilty of, I
will say, okay, so you guys havescheduled a time with me, so now
we're here to talk.
But here's my question (20:30):
Have you gone to God about this yet?
SPEAKER_01 (20:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:34):
And Frankie, I'm just here to tell you, the
majority of the time, the answeris, well, no, we haven't.
We we just came to seek yourcounsel.
And it's like, well, wait aminute.
You know, God knows far greaterthan I do.
And as saved people, his HolySpirit is living inside the both
of you.
Amen.
So it would be wise if beforeyou even came to the table, if
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you approach the throne.
Amen, man.
Too many people come to thetable, Frankie, and haven't even
approached the throne.
They're bringing an issue to mytable, right?
Yeah.
And they haven't even placedthat issue at the feet of Jesus.
And so I think far too often welook at man to fix problems when
the whole time, it's just likeJesus here in the text, you
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know, he's like, no, no, I got,I got, I got plans for this.
I got plans for this.
Don't don't don't burn it downyet.
You know, like don't don't don'tburn it down yet.
There's a lot of people in thisplace called Samaria that's
getting ready to rejoice in myname.
There's a lot of people out herethat's getting ready to get
baptized.
Yeah.
There's a lot of people out heregetting ready to see the gift of
the Holy Spirit.
Because guess what?
John, you want to burn it downright now, but you don't see
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what I see.
I see that I'm gonna send youback.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
And maybe that's a word, maybethat's a word, man.
I just feel the anointing rightnow at this table, Brother
Frankie.
Maybe that's a word for somepeople listening out there right
now that you need to be toldthat Jesus is gonna send you
back.
Jesus is gonna send you backinto somebody's life.
Jesus is gonna send you back toinvite that person to church
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again.
Jesus is gonna send you back topray over those people or pray
for those people.
Jesus is gonna send you back tooffer salvation and hope again.
Jesus is gonna send you back togive your testimony again.
That's right, again.
Just as John had to come back.
Because John came back, bro.
John didn't come back.
I really believe this.
John didn't come back justlaying hands on so that people
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could receive the Holy Spirit.
I believe John came back, and inthe process of laying hands on
people, I believe John's inthere preaching.
I believe John's teaching.
I believe John's testifying.
Yeah, I believe John is tellingpeople about what he's getting
ready to do as he lays hands onthem.
I believe that John isexplaining a lot of things,
Brother Frankie.
Yeah.
And who knows, man?
Maybe, maybe John is evenweeping, sharing his testimony
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because we don't know that he isor isn't.
But but you have to think.
I know, I know I would have, ifI was going back, I would be
asking for forgiveness, man.
I would be asking these peopleand sharing the story with them.
Absolutely.
I was just wanting my Lord torain down fire from heaven and
destroy you all.
But here, now you're my brother.
Yeah, now you're my sister, andI need to repent and ask y'all
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to forgive me.
So, so Jesus says, No, no, John,you're going back.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
Going back, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
There's a mission, there's a mission field out
there, and you cross that line.
You walked away from it, but butyou're going back across that
fence.
Yes, sir.
You're going back over thatbarbed wire.
You can go back under that bobwire.
You're going back through there,you're going back to that town
because there's some unfinished,unsettled business that you got
to go back there and take careof.
You're going back.
SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
Amen.
And that fence cuts both ways.
You get you're getting cut whenyou when you trespass, and then
when you come back and get sentback again, it's cutting both
ways.
You know what I'm saying?
But it's cutting down, it's adifferent kind of cutting.
But even with John going back,bro, as you're saying all this,
man, I'm just seeing like, I'mseeing fathers and sons, um,
fathers and wives coming,getting hands laid on them,
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receiving the Spirit.
I'm seeing children likewitnessing this, families
weeping, brothers being umgained to the Lord, and just
this beautiful like vision ofonce looked like Sodom and
Gomorrah, like in the hearts andminds of God, of God's
disciples.
Now I'm seeing this beautifulfamily just like branch off like
a living tree.
Amen.
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And it's just and it's justnothing, the enemy can't stop
that, bro.
Amen.
That's right.
What's happening in Samaria atthis time, the enemy can't stop,
and that's what the enemy fearsthe most, which is why he wants
us, he wants us trespassing andhate.
He wants us trespassing and allthose different things that our
flesh wants, you know?
Yeah.
But he don't want youtrespassing in love and stuff
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because when the mission fieldstarts receiving Christ, bro,
that's when the enemy startsgetting slain.
Yeah.
He can't stand that, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (24:43):
Amen, bro.
Amen.
Yeah.
When when we cross that lineinto that mission field to talk
to that guy at the at the breakroom or what have you, he wants
us operating.
The enemy wants us operating inthe same spirit that that that
guy is under.
Yeah.
And so when we go to, when we goto witness to him or minister to
that man, then and he getsgrouchy, then all of a sudden
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the enemy wants us to getgrouchy back.
You know, if he's angry, hewants us to be angry and snap
back.
If he snaps, he wants us to snapback.
But we can't do that.
Okay, bro.
We gotta operate in the samegifts of the Holy Spirit, the
same fruits of the Holy Spirit.
We gotta take with us acrossthat line what we had before we
crossed the line.
And that's the love of Jesus.
Amen, bro.
Brother Frankie, how howgrateful John must have been to
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have had the opportunity to lookat these people and say, Man,
I'm so glad Jesus did not let mecall fire down from heaven and
destroy these people.
I'm just gonna say, God's waysare better than our ways.
Amen.
And in in Isaiah 55, 8 through9, God says, For my thoughts are
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not your thoughts, neither areyour ways my ways, declares the
Lord.
For as the heavens are higherthan the earth, so are my ways
higher than your ways, and mythoughts than your thoughts.
So, Brother Frankie, I think wewould all be better off to ask
God to help us see people as hesees them.
Let it be so.
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Amen, brother.
In Jesus' name, bro.
Amen.
I I I think this check out thedifference between man's way of
thinking and God's.
And here it is, brother Frankie.
Man's way would have destroyedthe entire town.
Nothing left.
Nothing left.
No life left at all.
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:31):
But God's way saved the entire town.
Amen, bro.
I mean, check that out.
SPEAKER_01 (26:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:37):
That's why it's so important to take it to God's
feet rather than man's table.
That's right.
Go first to the throne room andnot to the table of man.
SPEAKER_01 (26:45):
Amen.
And God's way is so is sopersonal too.
Like they just wanted to be ableto call down fire, right?
And be done with them.
Like, just let me quickly washmy hands.
Yeah.
But Jesus sends them back to layhands on, bro.
Yeah.
And and God's God's ways arepersonal and they're so sweet.
So, so sweet.
I just wonder who he's sendingus back to by faith.
SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
Brother Frankie, you've got a personal testimony
on this as far as wanting tocall fire down and it not
happening.
And then seeing promise on theother side of the line.
Do you want to share that withElizabeth?
SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
Yeah, I would love to, bro.
Go ahead, brother.
Yeah, so everybody, man, like myold man and myself, man.
We there's a lot of fire betweenus, a lot of calling fire down
in the past.
And um, my dad, he's love mydad, man.
He's he's had his struggles.
He's he's he's battled a lot ofaddictions and stuff.
But man, um, just recently,after being incarcerated for a
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short amount of time, he got outand he started going to church
three times a week, man.
And he hadn't praise God.
Bro, he hadn't stepped foot in achurch in almost 17 years.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:54):
And uh, and and although there's no contact
between us right now, I I'vebeen praying for my father, man.
And I'm just here to tell thelisteners, man.
I'm just here to tell somebodytoday that won't he do it.
Yeah won't Jesus do it, man.
Yes, he will, bro.
You go from sons of thunders,bro, to to apostles of love,
disciples of love.
And and sometimes, I'm gonnajust be honest with with with
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whoever's hearing this,sometimes you gotta love
differently.
Sometimes you gotta you gottachoose to love from a distance
before you can ever be sentback.
And until you learn how to lovefrom a distance, I don't believe
Jesus is gonna send you backbecause when he sends you back,
then you gotta lay hands.
See, if you if you're not readyto lay hands on, then you need
to learn how to love from adistance first.
But learn how to love from adistance, and he'll send you
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back into that mission field tolay hands.
And I just, man, I look forward,bro.
I meditate in my heart of justembracing my dad again.
Yeah.
Knowing that that the word ofGod, knowing that him being back
in the body, in a body ofbelievers for the first time in
his life, I know it's changinghim.
Yeah.
I talked to another pastor thatthat's been helping my dad a
lot, and he said, Frankie, youwouldn't even believe the
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change.
He said, Frankie, if if the restof the believers in this church
had the spiritual fervor to getto know Jesus like your dad is
right now, he said, this churchwould be transformed.
And I said, Praise God.
And that just really hit myheart too, because I'm like,
look, I'm kind of looking at mydad now, like, dad, I want that
first type of love that he's gotright now.
I want that first loveexperience back in my life.
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And uh in a in an odd way, I'mlike kind of like looking up to
my dad in that in that in thatregard, when a long time I
looked down on him, man.
And yeah, I'm just here to tellyou, man, that God can do it.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
He can do it, bro.
Won't he do it?
Won't he do it?
Won't he do it?
Let's pray.
Yeah, Father, I'm thankful forevery person that has tuned into
this episode to receive yourword.
Thank you, Lord.
Father, I thank you for theopportunity to share your truth.
And I pray in the name of theblood of Jesus that people have
been ministered to today, thatthey would be encouraged to
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maybe go back to some oldground.
They've been encouraged tounlock the doors that they've
shut and that they've they'vebolted locked.
They've bolted those locks sothat so that someone couldn't
get through and maybe hurt themagain, wound them again by their
rejection.
Lord, I pray in the name of theblood of Jesus that they would
go back to some old ground andthey would claim in the name of
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Jesus lost souls, lost lives,and they would bring them back
on the solid ground.
Yes, Lord.
And that it would all be foryour glory.
Father, those people that haverejected truth, those people
that have rejected invites tochurch, those people that once
rejected personal prayer rightthere on the spot.
I pray, Father, that we go back,that we go back into those
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towns.
Yes, Lord.
That we go back into thoselives, that we go back and say,
Yeah, it's been a while sinceyou've seen me, but I'm back
offering hope yet again.
Yes.
Because you are my missionfield.
You are my mission field today.
And we ask all this in the nameand the mighty, powerful
cleansing, washing blood of ourrisen Lord and Savior, Jesus
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Christ, and all God's peoplesaid.
Amen.
Amen and amen.
Brother Frankie, as always,thank you for coming, brother.
It's been a blessing having youat this table.
Yeah, God bless, man.
Love you, God bless you, bro.
Love you, brother.
Until next time, we'll be onSunday.
Stay in the truth, stay inprayer.
God bless everyone.
Welcome to this episode of Beyond Sunday.
I am your host, Pastor Lee Day,and I pastor Christ Family
Outreach Church located inAmelia, Virginia.
And today I have sitting with meat the table a brother in the
Lord.
He has been here before, butit's been a little while since
he's been back on.
Frankie, Brother Frankie Brown,how are you doing today, my good
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brother?
I'm blessed to be here with youagain, bro.
Amen, brother.
Doing it again in honor of theLord.
In the name of the Lord, bro.
Amen.
Folks, if you've got your Bibleswith you, we're gonna begin in
Luke chapter 9, verses 51through 56.
And this is what the text says.
Luke 9, 51 through 56.
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When the days drew near for him,Jesus, to be taken up, he set
his face to go to Jerusalem.
And he sent messengers ahead ofhim who went and entered a
village of the Samaritans tomake preparations for him.
But the people did not receivehim because his face was set
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toward Jerusalem.
And when his disciples, Jamesand John, saw it, they said,
Lord, do you want us to tellfire to come down from heaven
and consume them?
But he turned and rebuked themand they went on to another
village.
Brother Frankie, this villagedid not want to receive Jesus.
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The text makes that clear.
So James and John were so upsetabout it, right?
That they wanted to call firedown from heaven and destroy the
entire place.
So right out the gate, BrotherFrankie, right out the gate,
what are your thoughts on this?
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
James and John is where I find myself really
relating.
I want to call fire down.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Oh, we've all been there before,bro.
Yep.
And especially as growing in theLord and stuff and all these
things he's weeding in and outof our life, out of our soul,
out of our spirit.
Um, sometimes I still findmyself getting confused of like,
what am I doing?
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You know, I'll be you know,doing ministry, but then find my
flesh rising up against abrother I may love because of
something they made a said orsaid or done, or vice versa.
Yeah.
And you feel that fire, I wantto call fire down, and sometimes
I forget like Jesus came to savefolks, man.
And yeah, it's like, man, whatam I what am I doing?
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
We set our mind towards destroying something or
someone.
But Jesus is there to save themand offer mercy, grace, and and
and forgiveness.
Yep.
It's so true.
And here's the thing about whatJames and John are doing, and
here's the thing about what youdo that you just mentioned, and
what I'm guilty of as well.
When we feel like we want tocall fire down on someone, we're
gonna, we're gonna, we're gonnamake a reason for it.
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We're gonna justify it.
And we're gonna say, oh, well,well, it's our righteousness in
Christ that makes us feel thisway, right?
Like those people shouldn't bedoing this to me, or those
people shouldn't be acting thatway towards other people.
And and we'll claim it in thename of righteousness, but yet
all the while you see Jesusdoing what he's doing here in
the text, and he's like, no, hehe rebukes James, James and
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John.
That's right.
He rebukes James and John, andhe's like, no, that's that's not
how we need to be acting.
You know, that's not the thoughtprocess that we need to be
having.
Mark chapter 3, 17.
We're told that Jesus givesJames and John a nickname.
Tell the people what it is,Brother Frankie.
Hey, it's the Sons of Thunder.
Sons of Thunder.
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You know, so so this nickname,Sons of Thunder, it it's kind of
both good and bad.
You know, they they get itbecause they've got some really
great qualities and greattraits.
But then also those qualitiesand traits, when they're not
harnessed and controlled andunder the spirit of the Lord,
they tend to veer them off path.
Thus, them saying, God, can we,should we be calling down fire
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from heaven?
Yeah, you know, to destroy notjust some of the people, the
entire city, you know, theentire town, the entire place.
So, so this nickname Sons ofThunder, it tells of their
passion, it tells of theirintensity, uh, they they had
boldness and a fervor inministry as well.
Again, all great things, allgreat traits, all great
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qualities, Brother Frankie, aslong as they're harnessed
correctly in the name of theLord.
SPEAKER_01 (04:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:24):
You know, all great things.
SPEAKER_01 (04:25):
I'm thinking too, bro, it's just even for the
listener for ourselves rightnow, like just asking God, like,
what are some of our Sons ofThunder moments that we've had?
You know what I mean?
So good.
Asking the Spirit just toilluminate that because if we
revisit those Sons of Thunder'smoments, I I believe we can go
back and find where we where wemissed the mark at and use that
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to actually hit the mark in thetimes to come.
SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
Nothing wrong with getting fired up, but what we
won't what we don't want to dois call fire down.
Right.
We can get fired up withoutcalling fire down.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01 (04:59):
I think it's important to note too that these
brothers um they once was uhwanting to shake the dust off
their feet when when when Christtold them that in the
scriptures, you know?
Yeah.
But they went from trying toshake the dust off their feet to
to turn the people into dust.
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
Yeah, that's right.
Jesus told them, hey, if you gointo a town and they do not
accept you in my name, then justshake the dust off your feet,
off your feet, off your sandalsand and head on out to the next
place.
But these brothers want to turnpeople into dust now, you know?
Yeah, man, they're ready to cookthem into ashes.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Isn't that something, bro?
Isn't that something, BrotherFrankie?
Like, God will give us aninstruction.
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And then we want to go 10 stepspast the word that God gave us.
SPEAKER_01 (05:36):
And that's that that spiritual fervor, too, that
that's unchecked, you know.
Yeah.
I believe that that helpselevate that to the next level,
such as we see in the text righthere.
Yeah.
Because they've been with Jesusfor so long, you know, already.
Spending every day with him.
And here they are again.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
As we were praying before we came on the air, one
of the things I kind of justseen like this this vision while
we were praying of just an oldfield.
And I can remember um old fieldsthat I used to walk in or hunt
in when I was younger.
And the thing about old fieldsor old farmland, old properties,
is that you see the old barbedwire fences that have been there
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since before we were born.
That's right.
You know, and oftentimes they'rewith an old cedar post and and
it's and it's rotted or leaningover, or it's been wrapped
around a cedar tree of sometype, and and and you can see
where the old barbed wire was.
You can see where the line wasthat the farmer or the property
owner did not wanting someone tocross or uh animals, livestock
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to cross.
And how many times in life, youknow, I look at it like the word
is like that.
God has laid down that line,he's laid down that property
line that he does not want us tocross.
And he'll even give us specificinstructions on why not to cross
it.
But yet as as people, wejustify, Brother Frankie, we
justify why we want to takeanother step on the other side
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of that and thus create our ownpath into some pasture land or
into some some hardwood propertythat we're not supposed to be
in.
And maybe some listeners outthere right now are in some hard
woods or they're in they're insome pasture land that they were
never called to graze in.
That's so good, bro.
Never never ever called to bethere.
But the Sons of Thunder momentis what took them there.
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That's right.
You know, they they were theywere hyped up on one side, as
they should be.
You know, the Sons of Thunder,all these great qualities.
But then they don't harnessthose qualities, and next thing
you know it, they crossed theline.
That's right.
And that's exactly where Jamesand John find themselves.
Instead of what clearing thedust, shaking the dust from the
sandals, you're so right,Brother Frankie.
Now all of a sudden they'recalling down fire to turn these
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people into ash.
That's right, bro.
The problem, the problem istheir intensity clouded their
vision.
And we've all been there before.
You know what I mean?
Absolutely.
Uh they're not seeing what Jesuswants to do because they're too
busy thinking about what theywant to do.
And how many of us out therehave been there before?
Because I know I have.
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Brother Frankie, as the Sons ofThunder are so upset that they
want to call fire down fromheaven and kill everyone in the
entire town.
But Jesus, on the other hand,his heart is to save the town.
And we're gonna get into thatpiece in just a moment.
But how many times in our livesdo we shut people out because
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they're not like us or they'vethey've made it clear that they
don't believe what we believe,right?
And so this is the part of thepassage that shows a lack, it
shows a lack of love andcompassion for those who do not
believe what they believed.
So, Brother Frankie, thedisciples were so quick to shut
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this entire town down, juststraight destroy it because they
didn't accept Jesus, that all ofa sudden they're now unwilling
to save anybody in the future.
So they're willing to ruin anyfuture opportunity of these
people getting saved.
So I wonder how many times wecancel out opportunities with
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others because we're too busycondemning them for their
present actions.
SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
Yeah, because uh verse 53 right there it says,
but the people there did notwelcome him because he was hit
out, he was hidden forJerusalem.
I love that part, man.
Like that's the rejection partright there, like you were just
talking about, brother.
Yeah.
Getting fired up, you know, thatthat these people have opposed
that.
They have an opposition againstthem now.
But rather than seeing them aslike the future mission field,
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so to speak, they would justwant to destroy the mission
field.
But they don't realize that.
They don't they don't see thatjust yet.
And I wonder how many times inour life have we destroyed a
mission field simply because wehad a disagreement with
somebody, or we tried to presentthe gospel to somebody and they
rejected it, and we felt we tookit personally like they were
rejecting us, you know?
Yeah when they were when theywere just rejecting the gospel,
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yeah, something that we fullyhave accepted.
SPEAKER_00 (09:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:59):
But rather than be patient and show Christ to them,
even through the rejection, wejust want to burn it down.
That's so good.
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
A mission field.
Are we are we looking at peoplewho reject the gospel?
Are we looking at them as, well,they're they're condemned,
they're done, or or rather,better yet, are we looking at
them as you know what?
That's that's my future missionfield.
That that that's my missionfield right there.
That's a fire perspective.
Yeah, that that that's that'sthat's who I'm going out to win
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for the Lord right there.
That's that's who I'm going torescue.
That that's that's a rescuestory right there waiting to
happen.
Yes, it is.
Rather than just, you know, shutthe door on them and and and
lock it, you know, three, fourtimes.
You ever seen those lock thosedoors that got like just a pile
of locks?
Oh, like eight different typesof locks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So so rather than just shut thedoor and and just strap all
those locks and say, Well, I'mnever going through that door
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again, or they're never comingthrough that.
You know, they they said no.
I mean, think about how manytimes we said no.
Amen.
You know, like how quick we areto forget.
Like, how many times did we sayno before we accepted Christ?
We would done lock doors too.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
Those eight different types of locks.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
They used to be on the inside of us, man.
And and how many times do wehelp people lock a door?
That's right.
You know what I mean?
By our own behavior.
And they look at that and theysay, man, if that's a Christian,
I don't want to be like that.
Door lock.
Door lock.
Door lock.
You know what I mean?
Like, how many times do we helpother people lock doors based
off of our attitude at the gaspump at the gas station?
Based off our attitude uh at thegrocery store because someone in
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front of us has taken so long.
You know what I mean?
Like, how many times do we helppeople lock doors?
And these are our mission fieldmoments.
These are literal mission fieldopportunities.
You know, there's nothing wrongwith getting on a plane and
going all across the world uh tobe missionaries.
We're called to do that.
Yeah.
But we cannot, we cannot forgetthe fact that as we're flying
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over uh uh nations and and andstates to go to mission fields,
um, as we're going there, we'rewe're also leaving mission
fields.
Yeah.
You know, so so there's amission field right here where
we live at.
Yeah.
That the people that weconstantly see, they're the
mission field that we should behitting as well.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
Man, I'm I'm I'm sitting here thinking too, bro,
as you're as you're saying allthat, going back to the
illustration that you gave us abeautiful imagery with your
words about that old field, oldpasture, pasture with um with
fences and bob wire fences andstuff like that.
Yeah.
Man, if we're gonna if we'regonna trespass over a fence,
man, let it let it be ustrespassing over somebody with a
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hardened heart, like thatmission field, you know.
Start seeing them like that andtrespass in love.
Like let's start trespassing inpatience.
Yeah, let's let's starttrespassing with with
understanding, you know, yeahand finding that that that
common ground where we canactually establish a
relationship so that our impactcan actually make it can hit his
mark, man.
Yeah.
Amen.
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Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (12:49):
When you say that, I think about a person in a break
room at a job somewhere orwhatever, uh, and and he's
hardened to the gospel, right?
But you know what?
I'm gonna go in there today andI'm gonna love that man.
Yeah, and I'm gonna trespassover the boundary that he's
clearly set, that he doesn'twant to hear the gospel from my
mouth anymore.
Yeah.
I'm gonna trespass over thathardened boundary, that hardened
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heart, and I'm gonna go in thereand I'm gonna give that man love
today, and I'm gonna love himthe way Jesus wants me to love
him.
So I'm gonna trespass into thatmission field.
SPEAKER_01 (13:20):
And look, I'm gonna just be honest too.
I I done done my trespassingright.
I done crossed some old barwirefences, get to that nice pond,
you know what I'm saying?
And look, let's just be honest.
When you trespass and cross overa fence, you're gonna get cut.
SPEAKER_00 (13:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
You you that old barwire still can cut you, man.
It can.
And so when we when we trespassin in love in the in the mission
field that's with the heart andhearts and stuff, like just
beware.
Like, you're gonna get cut, butit's gonna be worth it.
Yeah, God's gonna heal themwounds, man.
SPEAKER_00 (13:47):
It's not always gonna be easy, is it?
SPEAKER_01 (13:48):
It's a greater purpose there.
So just it just have thatexpectation.
Yeah.
As you trespass in love.
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
Yeah.
I think I think as even as wesay this, I think about like
missionaries that go into placeslike China, or they they go into
places where where they're notwelcome.
Yeah, they're they're crossinglines, they're crossing borders
where the where the government,the political system does not
want them in there, but itdoesn't keep them from crossing
the line in hopes that they'regonna bring Jesus into
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somebody's life.
Amen, bro.
And then you look at it likeback to this guy at let's just
say at somebody's job with thathardened heart.
It's like, hey man, I'm gonnaI'm gonna cross this boundary,
I'm gonna cross this line, andI'm gonna offer you the love of
Jesus.
And I'm doing this in faith.
I'm stepping into this missionfield in faith, Brother Frankie,
believing that when this guyturns and accepts a softened
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heart, that I'm gonna look athim and say, Come follow me.
I know the way back to saferpasture.
Yeah, I know the way back tosafer ground.
Yeah, there's a path that I tookto get to you.
Come on, come with me.
We're going back.
That's right.
So good.
Praise God for that.
Brother Frankie, there's achange in the tide, so to speak,
because this town that thedisciples wanted to burn down,
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eventually, it's got a revivalgoing on with inside of it.
Praise God.
You know what I mean?
Acts chapter 8, friends.
If you don't know it, Actschapter 8, 14 through 17 speaks
of this town.
This town that it once rejectedJesus himself.
This town that James and Johnasked Jesus if they could call
fire down from heaven anddestroy all of them.
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This town that James and Johnwanted to give up on, this this,
as Brother Frankie called it,this mission field opportunity
that James and John just wantedto forsake and have nothing to
do with.
This town in Acts 8, 14 through17 says this.
Now, when the apostles atJerusalem heard that Samaria had
received the word of God, theysent to them Peter and John, who
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came down and prayed for themthat they might receive the Holy
Spirit, for he had not yetfallen on any of them, but they
had only been baptized in thename of the Lord Jesus.
Then they laid their hands onthem and they received the Holy
Spirit.
So, Brother Frankie, theatmosphere had changed
completely.
SPEAKER_01 (16:04):
Completely, man.
And look, let's touch on thisfor a second, bro, before we
before we move forward.
Like, this this is the same Johngoing back, right?
Yeah.
Like it was James and John, nowit's Peter and John going back.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you can only imagineas a as once a son of thunder,
right?
Yeah.
Like he's being sent back to thetown that he wanted to call the
(16:24):
people, call fire down on thepeople, turn them in ash, and
now he's going to lay hands onthem so that they can receive
the spirit.
And praise God, like if he didit then, and as we're reading in
Acts 8 and Luke 9, like he cando it again.
Praise God, right?
That's right, brother.
So he can do it in our he can doit when we cross these barwire
(16:44):
fences.
So good.
And there's gonna be scars inthem trees, too.
Like, like you were talkingabout back to that.
Man, that image is so beautiful,bro.
But even the trees bury the thewounds and the scars of having
that fence wrapped around it.
And and that's just marks, man,of boundaries that that were
kept for a reason, but alsoboundaries that need to be
crossed at some point oranother.
Otherwise, that fence would havepermanently stayed.
(17:06):
And I'm just believing by faithright now, bro, that that it's
some boundaries being torn down.
Amen, bro.
And it's some crossing to takeplace.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
And and I'm hoping that by the readers listening to
what Acts chapter 8 has tooffer, that we understand that
there's some there's somemission field, there's some
ground that we got to go backand revisit for some people that
we shut the door and locked sothat it could not open.
Well, they rejected going tochurch.
I'm not gonna invite himanymore.
I've asked them 30 timesalready, and you know, they they
(17:35):
I've just given up on thembecause they ain't coming back.
Like that's the mission field.
That's the mission field we gotto get back onto right there.
Yeah.
You know, these these these guysare going back to a place that
at one time um they wanna theywant to call call fire down as
the disciples on onto thesepeople.
And you're right, brotherFrankie.
You just mentioned the scripturesays that now they're laying
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hands.
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
Laying hands, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (17:57):
They're laying hands and praying for these same
people to receive the gift ofthe Holy Spirit, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
I mean, it's so huge.
And I wonder what Peter'sthinking, too, man, as he's as
he's going out there with John,you know, walking out with that
brother, you know, that he'sknown in this town, like want to
call, you know what I'm saying?
But he's walking faithfully withhim to this town because he
knows, man, that laying hands onand them receiving the spirit is
so much greater than the Son ofThunder moment.
Yeah, yeah.
John, it's it's not about yourreputation.
(18:22):
Uh uh.
It's all about Christ.
And I'm right here with you,bro.
We're gonna we're gonna walkback in there.
We're gonna walk back in theretogether.
Because we want to see thatthese people, we want to see the
word active and alive.
Yeah, they done received theword, bro.
Yeah, that's powerful.
SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
Yeah, they've been baptized, been baptized.
Yeah, so so what a humblingmoment for John.
He yeah, John's getting ready tocome back into Samaria and see
the same people that he wantedto destroy, Brother Frank.
The same people that he wantedto call fire down on and just
burn up to a lot of people.
And why would that change you,bro?
Yeah, bro.
Oh, that change you.
The same, the same people.
And now when he walks into thisthis town of Samaria, he's gonna
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see these people rejoicingbecause they had salvation.
This is the same people thatrejected Jesus.
Yes.
But now they're rejoicing.
I I think, Brother Frankie, Ithink that we'd be we'd all be
much better off if we could seelike John ended up having the
opportunity to see.
When we when we look at ourenemies, we should try and see
the potential hope that Godwould reveal Himself to them and
(19:19):
that they would choose salvationthrough Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
The potential hope.
And and and and man, if you'retaking notes out there, or even
if you're not, just write thosetwo words across across your
heart.
The potential hope.
So when you see that hardenedman at work today, when you see
that hardened lady at worktoday, think about the potential
hope that's there.
Think about that mission fieldand what it could look like.
SPEAKER_01 (19:40):
Hey, brother, I want to ask you a question.
In all your years of experience,you know, pastoring and doing
counseling and stuff like that.
In your opinion, what what whatwould it look like if people
would truly set their facetowards like Jerusalem, so to
speak, like the peace part ofit, um, or even set up.
Their face towards Jesus.
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
Man, that's a great question.
I noticed without a shadow of adoubt, there would be a lot less
people coming for counsel.
One of the things that I findpeople are most guilty of is
when they when they come forsome help in their marriage, or
when they come for help withtheir children, or when they
come with an offense that'shappened from someone within the
church, maybe even the pastor,who knows?
(20:23):
One of the things that I findpeople are most guilty of, I
will say, okay, so you guys havescheduled a time with me, so now
we're here to talk.
But here's my question (20:30):
Have you gone to God about this yet?
SPEAKER_01 (20:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:34):
And Frankie, I'm just here to tell you, the
majority of the time, the answeris, well, no, we haven't.
We we just came to seek yourcounsel.
And it's like, well, wait aminute.
You know, God knows far greaterthan I do.
And as saved people, his HolySpirit is living inside the both
of you.
Amen.
So it would be wise if beforeyou even came to the table, if
(20:56):
you approach the throne.
Amen, man.
Too many people come to thetable, Frankie, and haven't even
approached the throne.
They're bringing an issue to mytable, right?
Yeah.
And they haven't even placedthat issue at the feet of Jesus.
And so I think far too often welook at man to fix problems when
the whole time, it's just likeJesus here in the text, you
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know, he's like, no, no, I got,I got, I got plans for this.
I got plans for this.
Don't don't don't burn it downyet.
You know, like don't don't don'tburn it down yet.
There's a lot of people in thisplace called Samaria that's
getting ready to rejoice in myname.
There's a lot of people out herethat's getting ready to get
baptized.
Yeah.
There's a lot of people out heregetting ready to see the gift of
the Holy Spirit.
Because guess what?
John, you want to burn it downright now, but you don't see
(21:38):
what I see.
I see that I'm gonna send youback.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
And maybe that's a word, maybethat's a word, man.
I just feel the anointing rightnow at this table, Brother
Frankie.
Maybe that's a word for somepeople listening out there right
now that you need to be toldthat Jesus is gonna send you
back.
Jesus is gonna send you backinto somebody's life.
Jesus is gonna send you back toinvite that person to church
(22:00):
again.
Jesus is gonna send you back topray over those people or pray
for those people.
Jesus is gonna send you back tooffer salvation and hope again.
Jesus is gonna send you back togive your testimony again.
That's right, again.
Just as John had to come back.
Because John came back, bro.
John didn't come back.
I really believe this.
John didn't come back justlaying hands on so that people
(22:23):
could receive the Holy Spirit.
I believe John came back, and inthe process of laying hands on
people, I believe John's inthere preaching.
I believe John's teaching.
I believe John's testifying.
Yeah, I believe John is tellingpeople about what he's getting
ready to do as he lays hands onthem.
I believe that John isexplaining a lot of things,
Brother Frankie.
Yeah.
And who knows, man?
Maybe, maybe John is evenweeping, sharing his testimony
(22:47):
because we don't know that he isor isn't.
But but you have to think.
I know, I know I would have, ifI was going back, I would be
asking for forgiveness, man.
I would be asking these peopleand sharing the story with them.
Absolutely.
I was just wanting my Lord torain down fire from heaven and
destroy you all.
But here, now you're my brother.
Yeah, now you're my sister, andI need to repent and ask y'all
(23:10):
to forgive me.
So, so Jesus says, No, no, John,you're going back.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
Going back, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
There's a mission, there's a mission field out
there, and you cross that line.
You walked away from it, but butyou're going back across that
fence.
Yes, sir.
You're going back over thatbarbed wire.
You can go back under that bobwire.
You're going back through there,you're going back to that town
because there's some unfinished,unsettled business that you got
to go back there and take careof.
You're going back.
SPEAKER_01 (23:35):
Amen.
And that fence cuts both ways.
You get you're getting cut whenyou when you trespass, and then
when you come back and get sentback again, it's cutting both
ways.
You know what I'm saying?
But it's cutting down, it's adifferent kind of cutting.
But even with John going back,bro, as you're saying all this,
man, I'm just seeing like, I'mseeing fathers and sons, um,
fathers and wives coming,getting hands laid on them,
(23:57):
receiving the Spirit.
I'm seeing children likewitnessing this, families
weeping, brothers being umgained to the Lord, and just
this beautiful like vision ofonce looked like Sodom and
Gomorrah, like in the hearts andminds of God, of God's
disciples.
Now I'm seeing this beautifulfamily just like branch off like
a living tree.
Amen.
(24:17):
And it's just and it's justnothing, the enemy can't stop
that, bro.
Amen.
That's right.
What's happening in Samaria atthis time, the enemy can't stop,
and that's what the enemy fearsthe most, which is why he wants
us, he wants us trespassing andhate.
He wants us trespassing and allthose different things that our
flesh wants, you know?
Yeah.
But he don't want youtrespassing in love and stuff
(24:37):
because when the mission fieldstarts receiving Christ, bro,
that's when the enemy startsgetting slain.
Yeah.
He can't stand that, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (24:43):
Amen, bro.
Amen.
Yeah.
When when we cross that lineinto that mission field to talk
to that guy at the at the breakroom or what have you, he wants
us operating.
The enemy wants us operating inthe same spirit that that that
guy is under.
Yeah.
And so when we go to, when we goto witness to him or minister to
that man, then and he getsgrouchy, then all of a sudden
(25:05):
the enemy wants us to getgrouchy back.
You know, if he's angry, hewants us to be angry and snap
back.
If he snaps, he wants us to snapback.
But we can't do that.
Okay, bro.
We gotta operate in the samegifts of the Holy Spirit, the
same fruits of the Holy Spirit.
We gotta take with us acrossthat line what we had before we
crossed the line.
And that's the love of Jesus.
Amen, bro.
Brother Frankie, how howgrateful John must have been to
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have had the opportunity to lookat these people and say, Man,
I'm so glad Jesus did not let mecall fire down from heaven and
destroy these people.
I'm just gonna say, God's waysare better than our ways.
Amen.
And in in Isaiah 55, 8 through9, God says, For my thoughts are
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not your thoughts, neither areyour ways my ways, declares the
Lord.
For as the heavens are higherthan the earth, so are my ways
higher than your ways, and mythoughts than your thoughts.
So, Brother Frankie, I think wewould all be better off to ask
God to help us see people as hesees them.
Let it be so.
(26:09):
Amen, brother.
In Jesus' name, bro.
Amen.
I I I think this check out thedifference between man's way of
thinking and God's.
And here it is, brother Frankie.
Man's way would have destroyedthe entire town.
Nothing left.
Nothing left.
No life left at all.
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:31):
But God's way saved the entire town.
Amen, bro.
I mean, check that out.
SPEAKER_01 (26:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:37):
That's why it's so important to take it to God's
feet rather than man's table.
That's right.
Go first to the throne room andnot to the table of man.
SPEAKER_01 (26:45):
Amen.
And God's way is so is sopersonal too.
Like they just wanted to be ableto call down fire, right?
And be done with them.
Like, just let me quickly washmy hands.
Yeah.
But Jesus sends them back to layhands on, bro.
Yeah.
And and God's God's ways arepersonal and they're so sweet.
So, so sweet.
I just wonder who he's sendingus back to by faith.
SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
Brother Frankie, you've got a personal testimony
on this as far as wanting tocall fire down and it not
happening.
And then seeing promise on theother side of the line.
Do you want to share that withElizabeth?
SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
Yeah, I would love to, bro.
Go ahead, brother.
Yeah, so everybody, man, like myold man and myself, man.
We there's a lot of fire betweenus, a lot of calling fire down
in the past.
And um, my dad, he's love mydad, man.
He's he's had his struggles.
He's he's he's battled a lot ofaddictions and stuff.
But man, um, just recently,after being incarcerated for a
(27:44):
short amount of time, he got outand he started going to church
three times a week, man.
And he hadn't praise God.
Bro, he hadn't stepped foot in achurch in almost 17 years.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:54):
And uh, and and although there's no contact
between us right now, I I'vebeen praying for my father, man.
And I'm just here to tell thelisteners, man.
I'm just here to tell somebodytoday that won't he do it.
Yeah won't Jesus do it, man.
Yes, he will, bro.
You go from sons of thunders,bro, to to apostles of love,
disciples of love.
And and sometimes, I'm gonnajust be honest with with with
(28:15):
whoever's hearing this,sometimes you gotta love
differently.
Sometimes you gotta you gottachoose to love from a distance
before you can ever be sentback.
And until you learn how to lovefrom a distance, I don't believe
Jesus is gonna send you backbecause when he sends you back,
then you gotta lay hands.
See, if you if you're not readyto lay hands on, then you need
to learn how to love from adistance first.
But learn how to love from adistance, and he'll send you
(28:37):
back into that mission field tolay hands.
And I just, man, I look forward,bro.
I meditate in my heart of justembracing my dad again.
Yeah.
Knowing that that the word ofGod, knowing that him being back
in the body, in a body ofbelievers for the first time in
his life, I know it's changinghim.
Yeah.
I talked to another pastor thatthat's been helping my dad a
lot, and he said, Frankie, youwouldn't even believe the
(28:57):
change.
He said, Frankie, if if the restof the believers in this church
had the spiritual fervor to getto know Jesus like your dad is
right now, he said, this churchwould be transformed.
And I said, Praise God.
And that just really hit myheart too, because I'm like,
look, I'm kind of looking at mydad now, like, dad, I want that
first type of love that he's gotright now.
I want that first loveexperience back in my life.
(29:20):
And uh in a in an odd way, I'mlike kind of like looking up to
my dad in that in that in thatregard, when a long time I
looked down on him, man.
And yeah, I'm just here to tellyou, man, that God can do it.
Amen.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
He can do it, bro.
Won't he do it?
Won't he do it?
Won't he do it?
Let's pray.
Yeah, Father, I'm thankful forevery person that has tuned into
this episode to receive yourword.
Thank you, Lord.
Father, I thank you for theopportunity to share your truth.
And I pray in the name of theblood of Jesus that people have
been ministered to today, thatthey would be encouraged to
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maybe go back to some oldground.
They've been encouraged tounlock the doors that they've
shut and that they've they'vebolted locked.
They've bolted those locks sothat so that someone couldn't
get through and maybe hurt themagain, wound them again by their
rejection.
Lord, I pray in the name of theblood of Jesus that they would
go back to some old ground andthey would claim in the name of
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Jesus lost souls, lost lives,and they would bring them back
on the solid ground.
Yes, Lord.
And that it would all be foryour glory.
Father, those people that haverejected truth, those people
that have rejected invites tochurch, those people that once
rejected personal prayer rightthere on the spot.
I pray, Father, that we go back,that we go back into those
(30:38):
towns.
Yes, Lord.
That we go back into thoselives, that we go back and say,
Yeah, it's been a while sinceyou've seen me, but I'm back
offering hope yet again.
Yes.
Because you are my missionfield.
You are my mission field today.
And we ask all this in the nameand the mighty, powerful
cleansing, washing blood of ourrisen Lord and Savior, Jesus
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Christ, and all God's peoplesaid.
Amen.
Amen and amen.
Brother Frankie, as always,thank you for coming, brother.
It's been a blessing having youat this table.
Yeah, God bless, man.
Love you, God bless you, bro.
Love you, brother.
Until next time, we'll be onSunday.
Stay in the truth, stay inprayer.
God bless everyone.
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