June 16, 2025 • 39 mins
What does it mean to truly worship? In this soul-stirring conversation with special guest Frankie from CFO Church, we unpack the transformative power of authentic worship and why it remains so misunderstood, even among believers.
Worship represents a profound paradox in our spiritual journey. While our culture demands control and self-sufficiency, genuine worship requires complete surrender—a vulnerable letting go that feels counterintuitive yet creates our deepest connection with God. For Frankie, this surrender has become the pathway to unexpected peace: "When I lay down before Him and praise Him, in that surrender, I find this beautiful peace."
We explore why worship matters to God not because He needs validation, but because it's our rightful response to His worthiness. When we choose to worship, especially amid challenges or distractions, we demonstrate faith that transcends circumstances. As Frankie beautifully articulates, "When you praise Him and it doesn't make sense, when you praise Him and you feel down with life hitting you...He inhabits the praise and begins to get into that room. Man, everything changes."
The conversation delves into common barriers that prevent wholehearted worship—fear of others' opinions, dwelling on the past, and hardened hearts—while offering practical insights on overcoming these obstacles. We examine the spiritual warfare dimension of worship, highlighting how the enemy specifically targets our praise because it was originally his position in heaven.
Perhaps most powerfully, we unpack the victory that follows praise through the biblical account in 2 Chronicles 20, where worship preceded battle and brought supernatural deliverance. This timeless principle reminds us that our greatest battles are won first through surrender and praise.
Whether you're a seasoned worshiper or someone curious about what drives Christians to raise their hands and lift their voices, this episode invites you into a deeper understanding of worship that extends far beyond Sunday mornings. Connect with us and discover how authentic worship transforms not just our church experience, but our entire lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the podcast that takes
you deeper into the Word of Godthroughout your week with your
hosts, pastors Lee and Jim.
It's time to inspire, upliftand dig deeper.
Beyond Sunday starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, good morning or good afternoon, depending upon
when you're tuning in.
We just want to say thank youfor listening to our podcast
Beyond Sunday with Pastor Leeand Pastor Jim.
We got a special, specialepisode coming to you right now.
We got a good brother andfriend in the Lord from CFO
Church at the table with usright now.
His name is Frankie.
(00:40):
Frankie, how you doing, brother?
I'm blessed, amen, amen, andwe're blessed to have you in
studio, pastor Jim, good morning, how are you, sir man?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm blessed.
That was funny because it waslike hey, how you doing.
He said I'm blessed and then hejust steps back from the mic.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Amen, hey, could it be any better answer than that?
Right there, I am blessed.
I am blessed.
So we got a special episodecoming to you today.
As I've already mentioned,we've got Brother Frankie
in-house, and today we're goingto be talking about worship.
And this is something that's soimportant to me because, prior
to walking with Christ, youreally don't understand worship.
Matter of fact, some peoplethink Christians who worship are
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just crazy.
Right, oh, it's a cult, youknow.
Like, why are they raisingtheir hands?
Why are they up there down ontheir knees?
Why is someone laid prostrateface to the floor?
Like, what is all that about?
What is the need to sing tosomebody that you can't see or
don't even know exists?
Right, so, pre-christ, I couldsee where people would be
thinking that, visitors cominginto church just wondering.
But there has to be somethingthat takes place, right, a
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switch has to flip when webecome, as what Jesus says, born
again.
And when we become born again,there should be a desire birthed
on the inside of us, given bythe Holy Spirit, which is the
power of God living in us, theSpirit of the living God, where
we begin to be obedient to thiscall to worship.
You know, I think a lot ofChristians are not obedient to
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the call to worship because theyremember how uncomfortable they
were about worship prior tobeing saved Amen, right Prior to
being born again.
So that's what this episode isall about.
We want to hopefully encouragethe listeners who are saved and
walking with Christ but maybenot yet diving into this
beautiful relationship ofworship with King Jesus.
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And then we want to alsoencourage those that already are
worshiping to say, hey, you'rehitting a nail on the head, keep
doing it, keep going, keepgrowing in your worship, because
it just continues to get better.
And then, hopefully, there'ssome people that are listening
to this episode of this podcastthat are not yet saved and
they're like what are you crazyChristians doing?
You know, and hopefully we canbring some peace to the table
(02:40):
and say, hey, everything's allright, calm down.
You know the world's not comingto an end just because God's
people go into the house andworship.
You know what I mean.
It's a beautiful thing takingplace, so we're just going to
jump right into the deep end ofit.
Brother Frankie and Pastor Jimand I just want to ask this
question to you, brother Frankie, and just to let the listeners
know the reason we have you onhere is because, pastor Jim and
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I appreciate your heart forworship.
You know, we appreciate thefact that you're unrestricted,
you're unrestrained.
We appreciate the fact that youknow we can hear you when you
worship and we know it's not tobring attention to you and
that's how you know thatsomeone's doing it for the right
reason, right when they're nottrying to make people look at me
, but you know they're trulypraising God, authentic.
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It is authentic worship,absolutely, absolutely.
And to me and I know we'lltouch on this today, but that's
part of worshiping in spirit andtruth, right when we're
pointing to the Father and we'renot trying to draw attention to
self.
So that's why we got BrotherFrankie on here.
He is a worshiper at heart andI love that and it attracts me
to the brother.
So question number one, justright into the deep end, brother
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Frankie, what is worship to you, my brother?
Wow?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, worship to me is an all-out surrender, amen,
which is foreign to me becausewe're taught growing up from our
parents and in school andthrough sports we're taught how
to fight.
Yeah, we're taught how to digin, dig into the trenches and
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keep grinding, keep going, youknow, but when it comes to the
Lord it's all about surrender.
So, walking faithfully with himfor about three years now, it's
a new process to me, likecoming up to the altar and
getting down on your knees andlaying prostrate before him.
It's just a whole new realm.
(04:33):
Yeah, because the fears I stillhave, fears in me that reside
from the past, I still havedoubt in my mind.
But coming forward, and when Ilay down before him and praise
him, doubt in my mind but comingforward, and when I lay down
before him and praise him, inthat surrender, I find this
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beautiful peace, this welcomingpeace of saying lay it all down
and that's what I know I need todo, but with King Jesus I get
to do that, I get to lay it down.
So, and then, along with that,is total obedience to the Spirit
, not partial obedience, becausepartial obedience is total
disobedience.
Right, that's good, and that'sgood and that's the place I find
myself at right now.
It's a beautiful place that Ihonestly thought I would never
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be at.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's such a good point, Like I don't know that
I've ever looked at it like that, but I totally agree with that,
wholeheartedly, 100%.
The fact that we are raised upbeing taught that we've got to
have control of everything buttrue worship is true surrender.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I think it's that posture of surrender that
actually gives us connection.
When you fully surrender, thereis your connection to the Lord.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I think that's why I could be so foreign to
people that don't understandwhat worship is.
We're not taught to let go ofeverything.
We're not taught to surrenderand be vulnerable.
We're not taught to just let goand just let God do right.
So even Christians that mayhave been saved for a little
while, that still aren'tunderstanding worship, what it
is, the power in it, why we'recalled to do it, because you're
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right, they're still kind ofliving off of these old world
feelings of man.
I still have to hold on tosomething I've got to hold on to
myself.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And if I could add one more thing, like for me, the
Lord has blessed me with abeautiful way of being
vulnerable that I oftentimeslike.
The world teaches that menshould not be like that.
Men should be alpha.
Nothing breaks you, you know,Keep it all in.
But for me, I got thisvulnerability to me and I'm
beginning to see that it's agift from God, especially in men
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, because when you exposeyourself, my prayer is God,
expose my weaknesses and as I dothat around other men of the
faith they see that it's okay tobe vulnerable as well.
And then you got this beautifulplace that leads to worship.
It leads to worship.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Amen, it's okay to be vulnerable as well.
And then you got this beautifulplace that leads to worship.
Yeah, it leads to worship, amen.
It's hard to have intimacy ifyou're not first vulnerable.
Amen, yeah, right, because ifyou're a rock solid wall,
nothing can get in or out.
How are you going to have arelationship?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And that's the same for God.
If we're not vulnerable, evenlike in a human relationship, if
we're not vulnerable, thenwe're just going through motions
.
Right, we're just going throughthe motions.
But you're exactly right, man,that vulnerability is such a
huge key in worship.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I love it, man.
So what worship is to you issurrender for connection.
I love that.
That's good.
Well, what about?
Why is it important to worshipGod?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I believe it's because God is such a loving God
, but he's also the creator ofall things.
So what could be more importantto the creator than for His
creation to give Him the worshipthat is rightly due to Him?
But we also have that free willaspect, so he's not making us
worship Him.
We have the choice to him, butwe also have that free will
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aspect, so he's not making usworship him.
We have the choice to chooseand there's so much freedom in
choice.
But when we willfully chooseour faithful father and to
pursue him, even when it doesn'tmake sense, even when our
natural minds are trying toresurrect, even when this flesh
that's tethered to the world istelling us to go the opposite
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way, god is still there, sayinglike in His creation, like it's
all around you, like.
Look at the trees blooming andblossoming.
Look at the animals, likethirsting for Him.
Look at the birds that neverstop singing.
I don't know when the last timeyou've been outside, like if
you would just close your eyes.
It don't matter what time ofday the birds are singing, and
if they can do that, why can'twe?
And that's where I'm at.
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So that's why I believe it'simportant to God is because when
our praises go up to him, it'sa beautiful instance to him.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It so is, bro.
It reminds me of the scripturethat talks about if the people
don't cry out, the rocks will.
Yeah, I ain't gonna have norock doing my job.
It don't matter if the peopleare doing it or not, god's still
going to get it somehow, someway.
Why?
Because he's worthy of it.
Right, and man, you make agreat point Like I don't want
something or someone else doingmy job for God.
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You know, I'm called to worship, I'm called to give Him praise,
and I don't want to fall shortin that, and I don't think it's
about appeasing God either.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think it's about a response.
A worship should be a responseto what all God has provided for
us, not just something that theBible says that we should do.
No, it is a response to thelove and to the creation and to
everything that he does for us.
He's the source of everything,and so the Bible teaches us that
we should ascribe to the Lordthe glory that is due His name.
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That's what we read in Psalm 29.
It says worship the Lord in thesplendor of His holiness, and I
think that when we worship God,it reflects His glory and it
deepens our relationship withHim.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
You know, as knowing thatyou're a worshiper at heart and
really we all should be, youknow we all should be worship
warriors.
You know we're called toworship the Lord.
But let me ask you this why isworship important to Frankie
Brown?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, jim made a great point that it's a response
.
And to me, as he's saying, thatI realize why I'm unashamed to
worship so freely now.
Um, because it's my response,is my understanding now of his
word and the revelation but notjust the revelation of his word
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that he's, uh, revealing to me,but it's the realization that
his word is truth.
And that's why I'm starting topraise, because he's telling me
a different narrative than I'vetold myself my whole life and
even the world's told me.
Yeah, that's right, but it's soimportant to me to worship
because when I stand among theassembly of gathered people in
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the house of God, when I worshiplike that, I like to believe
that it's showing the God isworthy to be worshiped.
And like what is this?
What is this man?
Why is this man got his handsup in the air?
Why is he shouting Like?
What is he shouting about?
And to me, that's just thegreatest thing that I could ever
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do is to honor the Lord in hishouse, but not only in his house
, but beyond Sunday.
Amen, amen.
You like that, I like it, I dolike that.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I like how you put that plug in there, brother.
That sounds familiar, yes,Doesn't worship.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know, worship is meant to be not about us.
Yeah, worship is meant to beall about God.
That's right.
But what I find is, when I'm inquiet and I'm just in His
presence, what happens is and Ilove how God does this I'm
focused solely on Him.
But what happens is, worshipwill end up centering me on
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God's truth and His presence, sothat when I am feeling
overwhelmed and when I go toworship because a lot of times,
people and you've heard thisbefore, man I just got too much
going on in my life I don't feellike worshiping Well, it's in
that moment that you need to go,find yourself in the presence
of the Lord, forget everythingthat you got going on, and then
what you'll find is that in hispresence, he centers you, and
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his truth and his presencethat's what's going to take all
of that stuff away from you.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, when we have found the feeling within us that
says I don't feel likeworshiping, we have lost the
truth that God is worthy ofworship all the time Right, and
we've made it all of a suddenwhen I feel like I don't want to
worship because I'm tired orit's late, or it's early or I
got a lot going on.
When we feel like we don't wantto worship, we've all of a
sudden made it about us and notabout God.
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And worship is not about us,it's about God.
And notice that when we make itabout us, we're not in spirit
and truth.
When we make it about us, we'renot focusing on the Father.
When we make it about us,oftentimes we're not even really
doing it.
We're not even really trulyworshiping.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Isn't that?
The most authentic worship,though, is when you're tired,
when you got these thingspressing in on your mind that
are telling you you should bemore concerned about what you're
going to cook for supper whenyou get home, but in that moment
, like in that moment to worship, to me that's the most
authentic worship you can have.
When you choose to press onthat's right In the inconvenient
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moments, in the inconvenienceof life, and press on that's so
good.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The Bible teaches us that worship renews our strength
.
Yeah, so when you're strugglingand you're weak, why would you
not go to worship Amen To getyour strength renewed?
Yeah, and so you know.
Speaking of that is anotherquestion we have here is what do
we benefit from worshiping God?
And I think that kind of seguesreally well into that, because
I know our strength is renewed.
But what are some other things,frankie, that you benefit from
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worshiping God?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, I have Psalm 103 here before me.
I like to read it Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Let's do that.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
God's Word to me better describes this than I can
from a human perspective.
It says this is the word of theLord, psalms 103, starting with
verse one my soul, bless theLord and all that is within me
bless his holy name.
My soul, bless the Lord and donot forget all his benefits.
He forgives all your iniquity,he heals all your diseases, he
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redeems your life from the pitand he crowns you with faithful
love and compassion, and hesatisfies you with good things.
Your youth is renewed like theeagle.
And I'll stop right there,because it can go on and on, and
on.
But, last night in the house ofthe Lord at the recharge service
, as we were worshiping, I feltthis presence of the Lord that
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overwhelmed me.
It was the first time in mylife that I felt this overwhelm,
that my mind wanted to shutdown because I couldn't, I
couldn't grasp.
I couldn't grasp it because Idon't have that glorified body
just yet.
But I was beginning to feelthis crown on my head and I'm
like Lord, what is this?
What is this crown that I feel?
And it's right here in verse 4.
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He crowns you with faithful loveand compassion and for the
first time ever, I reached upand I like to do like faithful
acts in my mind, that like whenI'm meditating on something, it
brings me to peace, as if I'mdoing it unto the Lord.
So last night I reached up tothe top of my head and I took
that crown and I cast it at hisyeah, and then, out of nowhere,
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like five seconds later, thecrown come back.
I could feel it like like it'sbeing crowned on my head.
I take it off and cast it again.
Yeah, and when I'm, when I'mtrying to tell you guys, is that
when he places his crown onyour head and his faithful love
and compassion, you can't castthat off.
Yeah, you can try, you can.
You can run back to your past,you can run back to the doubt,
you can listen to the lies ofthe enemy, but when he puts that
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crown on you, who's going totake it off?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So good, bro.
So many times, while I'mpreaching, or even just when I'm
just having a moment with theLord in private, so many times I
feel that type of feeling.
It's like this warm burningring that just sits on the top
of my head and, you're right, itwould be almost like a crown
coming down just sitting there.
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But it's this warmth that justcomes and rests man, and I know
that.
I know that it is the anointingof God that is just resting
upon my life and I want toencourage the listeners in that,
just like you had justmentioned, it's when we're in
the presence, it's when we'reinvolved in relationship that
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that tends to happen.
And I'm not saying it happensevery time, that's not what I'm
saying, but I love those momentsthat we get when we choose to
be vulnerable, surrender to theKing and let God do what only
God can do.
That passage is so beautifulbecause, man, we gain everything
by worshiping the Father, amen.
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What do you think, since we'retalking about worship and what
we get from it, and that God isworthy of it, and that it is a
practice, it is a discipline Iguess is a better word.
It is a discipline that weshould be doing?
What do you think hinderspeople from worshiping God
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within the church house today?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, I think it's a combination of three things.
Number one the fear ofinfluence.
So that could be like thespiritual temp of circles around
you, including like your familycircle, your work circle, and I
know that you just preached onon that a couple sundays ago,
talking about spiritualtemperature, that we're most
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often times will conform to thespiritual temp of the room.
Yeah, so I think like thesphere of influence is one.
Number two, I would say livingin the past, because choosing to
not remain present, if youdon't, if you don't remain
present, you cannot see whathe's doing presently in your
life.
And oftentimes you're lookingback in the past and it's gone.
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So your focus and vision isn'teven on him.
And I've heard it said oncebefore where your focus goes,
grows.
But if you're more focused awayfrom him than where he is,
because he is the, he's thefuture.
I mean, he's the past, presentand future.
But if you, if you, if youchoose to live in the past and
that's a choice, yeah, and I'vedone that most of my life.
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And then I think the third thingis an undiagnosed hardened
heart, which I have sufferedfrom for many years.
So when you put those threethings together, the hardened
heart won't let you.
You have no desire to praiseGod.
You have every desire to pointyour finger at the hymn and say,
hey, you're the reason for this, when you don't even realize
that the only reason your bodyhasn't come apart, your
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molecules haven't come apart,the only reason you still have
breath in your lungs, is becauseof him.
Yeah, I think these threethings right here really hinder
people from worshiping God.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's so good man.
So the quote that you just said, I'm going to quote you on it
where your focus goes, grows.
That's powerful.
We just take a moment and justkind of soak in that water for a
minute.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I don't really understand it until I start
meditating on that, but it's sotrue because you can see it
manifest in your life, Like yeahthat's powerful.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, oh, that's really good man that's really
good.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Why do you feel like worship is not as important as
it should be?
I mean, we kind of discussed asecond ago why people may be
hindered from it, but so maybeit's the same thing, like, maybe
that's just one of the thingsPeople don't think it's as
important as it should be, andmaybe that speaks to maybe we
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don't really understand worshipthe way we should.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, I don't believe we do.
I don't believe we allotourselves the time to properly
meditate on these things, onwhat worship truly is.
But the number one thing Ibelieve that Christians don't
take it so seriously or theydon't find it important is they
don't understand that the Lordinhabits our praises.
(19:47):
Yeah, that's right.
Scripture tells us that.
Scripture tells us that inPsalm 22.3.
Yeah, and when you reallyunderstand this I just got to
speak this out because I getfired up about this when you
begin to realize like, that'swhy y'all are going to see me
praising in the church, You'regoing to see me praising
wherever I'm at.
I'm going to be aiming topraise him.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
True that.
Look a little side note here,personal as well.
I've played pickleball with youa couple of times now outside
in the community and, BrotherFrankie, you bring your praise
music and you turn it up and canI just say it's contagious.
You know, it absolutely iscontagious to be around an
opportunity where there is abrother or a sister in Christ
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that is unashamed to worship God, no matter where they are.
So I didn't mean to interruptyou there, but it is a
contagious thing, amen.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Thank you for testifying to that.
But I want to say this to thelisteners and anybody that has a
doubt about it or a questioninglike why am I not worshiping in
spirit and truth?
And I want you to understandthis when the Lord inhabits your
praises, you got to begin tounderstand that as he inhabits
those praises, it brings himinto the present circumstance or
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situation that you're facing.
It means he's coming to life.
You're making him manifest intoyour situation, and when he
shows up on the scene, that'swhen things change.
When he shows up on the scene,things begin to look different.
When he shows up on the scene,things begin to look different.
When he shows up on the scene,life takes place over death, and
no longer does this situationseem unimaginable, no longer
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does this situation seem likethere's no way out, no resolve.
But he is the resolve.
And when you praise him, whenyou praise him and it don't make
sense, when you praise him andyou feel down, you got life
hitting you, a storm comes inand he inhabits the praise and
he begins to get into that room.
Man, everything changes.
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Like you talk about, the roommatters, but who is in the room
matters too, and if Jesus Christis in the room, man, that's the
room I want to be in,absolutely, brother.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Absolutely, and doesn't that speak to the—that
goes right back to the intimacy.
I think culture sometimesespecially now when you see the
YouTube videos and all theworship that's coming out now,
these worship videos I thinkculture pushes worship towards a
performance, and it's so.
Not a performance.
Worship praise, it's notperformance.
It's this intimate relationship, it's this thing that we do
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that honors.
It's honor from our lips to theLord.
It's not a performance.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
No, it's not because a lot of these videos are coming
out to be attractive, butreally to a worshiper at heart,
I'm just going to say it'sunattractive, because that's not
what worship is and it is aperformance is a lot of what we
see, unfortunately, nowadays,which kind of just segues into
this question.
You know, how does the enemy orwhat does the enemy do to try
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to keep God's people from trueworship?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, to that point, minimize it, water it down, wash
it up with things that aren'treally of the Lord.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, yeah absolutely Amen.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What do you think, Frankie?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
We know who the enemy is.
He's the father of all lies,yeah, but it's his job to get
back to the heart, and I believethat we need to be guardians of
our garden.
And what I mean by that is ourgarden, is our heart and mind.
The Bible talks about it inMark 4.
You got the parable of thesower.
It talks about the position ofthe heart.
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You got four different type ofsouls.
So it's the enemy's job to getback to your heart.
He's trying to get back to theroot.
He's trying to get back tocreating bitterness and division
, because he knows if he can dothat, he can get to your heart,
and where your heart really isis is the Lord, you know.
So he does this in many ways,but one of the tricky ways he
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does it cause he, he's a masterat his craft.
I'm not trying to give him moreglory than he deserves, but he
has no power over us.
But he'll plant those seeds ofdoubt in our hearts and minds.
He mimics everything the Lorddoes.
So the Lord tells you what youthink about will grow in you,
and that's seeds that are beingplanted.
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So the enemy is always plantingseeds, but we're supposed to put
the supernatural filter in ourhearts and minds.
That's the Word of God.
You're supposed to take everythought captive.
His Word tells us to do thatand when you don't, that thing
slips past the supernaturalfilter and it begins to fester
and grow.
And you'll quickly begin torealize when it's taking root,
because your mouth will startspeaking things that you know
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you ought not to be speaking.
But we don't really have thatrevelation in our minds that
when the Scriptures tells usthat there's power of life and
death in the tongue you know andthat we can speak our own
calamity into our own life, wedon't realize that.
As believers we don't think wehave that kind of power and
authority, but his word tells usthat we do.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Absolutely.
I want to give you guyssomething to consider.
Psalm 150, verse 6 says leteverything that has breath
praise the Lord.
Again, that's Psalm 150, verse6.
Let everything that has breathpraise the Lord.
So to me, everything meanseverything, which includes
everyone.
And when we come into God'shouse on Sunday morning or we're
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coming into the Father's housein a midweek service and there's
a corporate call to worshipthat is given, many things can
try to compete for our worship.
You know we're talking aboutlike what does the enemy do or
what is he using to stop peoplefrom worshiping?
Many things can try to competefor our worship.
Many different distractions canrise up, even in the house of
the Lord, if we're not carefulto try to hinder us from
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worshiping the Father in spiritand truth, from thoughts about
our morning waking up, coming tochurch God forbid, it was a
rough morning getting childrentogether.
Or a spouse is arguing with theother spouse in the vehicle on
the way to church, so there's anargument in the car taking
place.
Maybe they're going to bethinking about rather than
worshiping.
They're thinking about what'sgoing to happen after the
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service, or where are we goingto go to eat, or maybe the
temperature in the room is toohot or it's too cold, right, the
noise level of the music is tooloud, or maybe the song that's
being played is not theirfavorite right?
Maybe there's some children ina row, two rows up for you, or
over to the left or to the right, or three rows back or just
behind you, or maybe even inyour row that's just acting up
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right, and they're being used todistract you.
So distractions can beeverywhere.
But John 4, 24, jesus says thatGod is spirit, and those who
worship him must worship inspirit and truth.
So when I worship brothers,when I worship in spirit and
truth, I'm choosing to lock in.
I'm making a conscientiouseffort to lock in.
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I'm determined that nothing'sgoing to get in the way of me
worshiping God, and so I'mfocused and I'm tuned in to what
I'm actually singing to God.
It's more than just wordscoming out of my heart, but I'm
thinking about what I'm singingand I'm also thinking about how
the truth is.
I'm singing this right to theFather, amen.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, I think all those distractions you just
talked about can be lumped intowhat you said, frankie, as well.
There's an enemy and his wholegoal is to distract us and take
us away from relationship withthe Father, and so all of those
things that are happening can belumped into this spiritual
warfare.
And you know, the Bible teachesus how we can combat spiritual
warfare, how we can bevictorious over that warfare, is
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through worship.
Worship leads to victory in somany different of the Old
Testament stories.
So I would like to encourageanybody who might be struggling
during their worship with thisattack from the enemy Use
worship and wield worship sortof as spiritual warfare against
the enemy.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Absolutely.
Psalm 28, 7 says this the enemy.
Absolutely, psalm 28, 7 saysthis the Lord is my strength and
my shield.
In him my heart trusts and I amhelped.
My heart exalts and with mysong I give thanks to him.
So Psalm 28, verse 7 starts offbasically complimenting what
you just said, pastor Jim, is acompliment to it.
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You know, the Lord is mystrength and my shield, you know
.
But it ends with I'm going togive God the song unto him and
it's going to be through a heartof thanks and with my song I
give thanks to God.
So worship really is anopportunity to give thanks to
God, but it's also anopportunity to do what he
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created us to do, right, hecreated us to worship.
So when I step into church Icome prepared to worship.
You know, like man, when I wakeup and it's church day, I know
I'm focused, that this is theday that I'm coming into the
house to corporately worship.
You know, when it's not achurch day, I'm worshiping at
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the house or I'm worshiping inthe vehicle, I'm doing my thing.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But so it's a little different when it's individual
worship, but I'm going into thehouse prepared to worship.
It reminds me of that song.
This is how I fight my battles.
Yeah, oh bro.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And it really is a gift, right, the fact that we've
got an opportunity to worshipthe Lord.
Can I just straight up say itis a gift that God puts air in
our lungs, gives us bodies toget to the church, in a place to
be at and worship withoutpersecution.
He gives us an opportunity toworship him and it just blows my
mind how we can have matureChristians, air quotes around
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that, mature Christians thatjust choose not to worship.
You know, they just choose notto worship.
But I think that the reasonthey choose not to worship is
basically some, if not all, ofwhat we've already covered so
far in this episode, Somethingjust came flooding into my mind.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I got to share it with you guys and the listeners.
The reason the enemy distractsus not only in our everyday life
, because he's there, he triesto be there, but the reason he
truly tries to distract us inthe corporate worship and
setting is because he's the oldspiritual worship leader in
heaven.
Think about that.
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That was his main job as thelead cherubim in there was to
lead the worship service inheaven.
So when we praise, we'repraising God doing his job.
That was meant for him.
We're doing it for him now andso he's going to try to distract
us any way he can we become theworship leaders.
We become the worship leaders,right, right, and he's so
jealous of that.
Yeah, he can't stand that Can'tstand it.
So it's time for us to praiseeven more.
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You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, that's so good we're doing what he should have
been doing.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, he should have been doing that.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, that's a great point.
I was studying the Word thismorning and come across 2
Chronicles, chapter 20.
And let me just kind of fillthis in and I'm going to let you
guys talk about it.
I'm interested to hear whaty'all think.
2 Chronicles, chapter 20, we gotthe Moabites and the Ammonites
and there's some Munites andthey come against Judah and
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Jerusalem.
Jehoshaphat is told thatthere's a great multitude coming
against them and in the 18thand the 19th verse this is what
it says.
Second Chronicles, chapter 20,verse 18 and 19.
Then Jehoshaphat bowed his head, with his face to the ground,
and all Judah and theinhabitants of Jerusalem fell
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down before the Lord, worshipingthe Lord, and the Levites of
the Kohathites and the Korahitesstood up down before the Lord
worshiping the Lord, and theLevites of the Kohathites and
the Korahites stood up to praisethe Lord, the God of Israel,
with a very loud voice.
All right, so here we have theenemy.
Let me just kind of set thetable.
Here we have the enemy comingto town and rather than call it
quits, rather than cower in fear, the people come together and
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they worship God.
Now can I just say we all needto try that one on for size.
There's a problem coming.
It's out there, no doubt.
But I'm not going to focus onthat right now.
I'm going to worship Godbecause he's worthy of praise at
all times in my life, not justwhen things are going right.
And here's what I want to getyou guys' take on, because in
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2nd Chronicles, 20, verses 20through 23,.
This is what it follows up with.
And they rose early in themorning, remember, knowing that
the enemy is there.
And they rose early in themorning and went out into the
wilderness of Tekoa.
And when they went out,jehoshaphat stood and said hear
me, judah and inhabitants ofJerusalem believe in what God is
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saying.
All right, those who were tosing to the Lord and praise him
in holy attire as they wentbefore the army and say give
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thanks to the Lord for hissteadfast love endures forever.
And when they begin to sing andpraise, the Lord set an ambush
against the men of Ammon, moaband Mount Seir who had come
against Judah, so that they wererouted, for the men of Ammon
and Moab rose against theinhabitants of Mount Seir,
devoting them to destruction.
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And when they had made an endof the inhabitants of Seir, they
all helped to destroy oneanother.
So I'd like to just say this,and I'm going to get out of the
way and let y'all take itWorship makes your enemy flee.
What you guys think about that,they put the worshipers before
the warriors.
That's powerful stuff, worshipleads to victory.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's funny because I have 2 Chronicles, chapter 20,
21, and 22, in my notes.
Look at God work and right nextto it I wrote worship leads to
victory.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Praise the Lord, amen .
That's so good, bro.
I love that that's so good.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I love the fact that in scripture it said that they
rose early.
Oftentimes we're not willing toget up.
I've been feeling the Lord tellme, get up sooner.
Yeah, prepare Me too.
Prepare, and do it by praisingme, because that was the army,
right?
The army, it said the worshipleaders were in front of the
people that were actually thereto fight physically.
That's right.
So the army really was thosewho were praising the Lord
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fearlessly.
They did all the fighting thatneeded to be done.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Bro, it was such a beautiful thing to read and just
consider how they had toworship before there was a
battle, you know.
They had to worship and reallythey didn't even really have to
go out there and attack thesepeople.
They did it to themselves, youknow.
So the battle was already won,the victory is already had in
this thing called worship.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
So what they were doing in essence, then, is they
were putting the spiritual infront of the physical.
And how many times in our lifedo we always we'll do it
backwards, right?
Yeah, that's right, we'll putthe physical in front of the
spiritual, but they did thespiritual in front of the
physical and they did all thefighting for it.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I think that that shows a level of faith and where
your faith is.
And so oftentimes, when we putour physical in front of the
spiritual, it's because we don'ttruly understand the power of
the spiritual, the power that wehave in the Holy Spirit living
and residing inside of us.
Remember, Jesus said that we'regoing to do greater things than
even him.
Why?
Because the Holy Spirit livesinside of us.
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Amen.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
A couple weeks ago I mentionedat church about the power in
worship, the power in music, andI brought to example just
something that the Spirit wasshowing me with King Saul and
how, when King Saul had beendisobedient and God had removed
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the anointing and his presenceoff of King Saul's life, how God
allowed a spirit to come uponSaul.
That was evil, and you knowSaul was tortured with it.
Saul, that was evil, and youknow Saul was tortured with it,
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and it was punishment for allthat Saul had done and his
disobedience.
And the only thing that causedthat spirit to leave was when
David would come in and playworship.
You know so.
You just think about the powerand the victory that comes
through worship.
No other music, no other musicdo we see or do we read about or
do we know about, has the powerand the authority to make
demons flee.
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You know so.
To me, that's just anotherreason I don't want to miss an
opportunity of worship, becausethere's power in it.
You know that even demons haveto flee.
David wasn't in there castingout demons.
He just went in thereworshiping with the worshiper's
heart.
He truly had a heart to worshipthe Father.
And when real worship gets upin the room.
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The enemies got to get up outof there.
Amen.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
So I'd like to tell just speak to the listeners, and
then myself and Brother Lee andJim both that Esther 4.14 says,
brother Lee and Jim, both thatEsther 4.14 says, for if you
keep silent at this time, reliefand deliverance will rise for
the Jews from another place, butyou and your father's house
will perish.
And who knows whether you havenot come to the kingdom for such
a time as this.
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And I'm here to tell everybody,including myself, that's
listening, that has ears tolisten, that we are here for
such a time as this to praisethe Lord.
We're here for a time such asthis to worship Him and we ain't
gonna let nobody else do it forus.
And it's our time.
That's why we're here in thepresent, that's why we're here
in history, and it's His story.
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We're here to tell His story inhistory about who Jesus Christ
is, what he's done, what he'sgoing to do and what's already
finished.
And we're born for such a timeas this.
It's time that we praise.
It's time that we praise witheverything we got.
Oh, praise the Lord, my soul,everything.
It's time to do it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Amen, that's so good, and we ain't got to wait for a
Sunday morning worship serviceor recharge service.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
It's beyond Sunday, bro.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
It's beyond Sunday, so it's every single day of your
life, every single moment ofyour life.
We should be letting all of ouractions be worship unto the
Lord.
It's not just when music isplaying, it's not just when you
put a CD on, it's our entirelives should be in surrender.
That heart of that posture thatwe talked about in the very
beginning of the podcast, thatposture of surrender and
obedience to all things Christ,that is a form of worship in and
of itself.
So everything that we do,everything that we say,
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everything that we think itshould all be unto the Lord, as
if we were worshiping 24-7.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I think that today we have given the listeners a
great call to worship and,whether it's in the house or out
of the house, wherever you findyourself, when there's a call
to worship, we have to beobedient to do what is going to
please and honor the Father.
So let's pray.
Father, I'm grateful for thisopportunity that you've given us
today to come into this house,into this studio, and to talk
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about the importance of worship,why it's important to you that
we were created to do it.
What benefits does it have forus?
You know we've talked about aplethora of things today on this
topic of worship and I pray, inthe name of the blood of Jesus
Christ, that it has answeredsome questions for some people.
I pray that it has given peoplepeace and comfort on the issue
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of worship, lord, and I pray,most of all, that it encourages
everyone to begin to takeworship more seriously and to
have a hunger and a desire towant to worship you, because
you're worthy of it at all times.
And we ask all this in themighty name and the cleansing,
powerful blood of Jesus Christand everybody, my friends, said
together amen and amen.
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Thank you so much for listening.
We look forward to seeing younext week on Beyond.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Sunday God bless.
Hey, frankie, I just want tosay thank you for being in the
house today.
Thank you for participating andgiving such good word and good
wisdom.
I really want to thank you forbeing here, brother.
Amen, amen, god bless y'all.
I'll see you next time.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the podcast that takes
you deeper into the Word of Godthroughout your week with your
hosts, pastors Lee and Jim.
It's time to inspire, upliftand dig deeper.
Beyond Sunday starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, good morning or good afternoon, depending upon
when you're tuning in.
We just want to say thank youfor listening to our podcast
Beyond Sunday with Pastor Leeand Pastor Jim.
We got a special, specialepisode coming to you right now.
We got a good brother andfriend in the Lord from CFO
Church at the table with usright now.
His name is Frankie.
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Frankie, how you doing, brother?
I'm blessed, amen, amen, andwe're blessed to have you in
studio, pastor Jim, good morning, how are you, sir man?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm blessed.
That was funny because it waslike hey, how you doing.
He said I'm blessed and then hejust steps back from the mic.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Amen, hey, could it be any better answer than that?
Right there, I am blessed.
I am blessed.
So we got a special episodecoming to you today.
As I've already mentioned,we've got Brother Frankie
in-house, and today we're goingto be talking about worship.
And this is something that's soimportant to me because, prior
to walking with Christ, youreally don't understand worship.
Matter of fact, some peoplethink Christians who worship are
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just crazy.
Right, oh, it's a cult, youknow.
Like, why are they raisingtheir hands?
Why are they up there down ontheir knees?
Why is someone laid prostrateface to the floor?
Like, what is all that about?
What is the need to sing tosomebody that you can't see or
don't even know exists?
Right, so, pre-christ, I couldsee where people would be
thinking that, visitors cominginto church just wondering.
But there has to be somethingthat takes place, right, a
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switch has to flip when webecome, as what Jesus says, born
again.
And when we become born again,there should be a desire birthed
on the inside of us, given bythe Holy Spirit, which is the
power of God living in us, theSpirit of the living God, where
we begin to be obedient to thiscall to worship.
You know, I think a lot ofChristians are not obedient to
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the call to worship because theyremember how uncomfortable they
were about worship prior tobeing saved Amen, right Prior to
being born again.
So that's what this episode isall about.
We want to hopefully encouragethe listeners who are saved and
walking with Christ but maybenot yet diving into this
beautiful relationship ofworship with King Jesus.
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And then we want to alsoencourage those that already are
worshiping to say, hey, you'rehitting a nail on the head, keep
doing it, keep going, keepgrowing in your worship, because
it just continues to get better.
And then, hopefully, there'ssome people that are listening
to this episode of this podcastthat are not yet saved and
they're like what are you crazyChristians doing?
You know, and hopefully we canbring some peace to the table
(02:40):
and say, hey, everything's allright, calm down.
You know the world's not comingto an end just because God's
people go into the house andworship.
You know what I mean.
It's a beautiful thing takingplace, so we're just going to
jump right into the deep end ofit.
Brother Frankie and Pastor Jimand I just want to ask this
question to you, brother Frankie, and just to let the listeners
know the reason we have you onhere is because, pastor Jim and
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I appreciate your heart forworship.
You know, we appreciate thefact that you're unrestricted,
you're unrestrained.
We appreciate the fact that youknow we can hear you when you
worship and we know it's not tobring attention to you and
that's how you know thatsomeone's doing it for the right
reason, right when they're nottrying to make people look at me
, but you know they're trulypraising God, authentic.
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It is authentic worship,absolutely, absolutely.
And to me and I know we'lltouch on this today, but that's
part of worshiping in spirit andtruth, right when we're
pointing to the Father and we'renot trying to draw attention to
self.
So that's why we got BrotherFrankie on here.
He is a worshiper at heart andI love that and it attracts me
to the brother.
So question number one, justright into the deep end, brother
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Frankie, what is worship to you, my brother?
Wow?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, worship to me is an all-out surrender, amen,
which is foreign to me becausewe're taught growing up from our
parents and in school andthrough sports we're taught how
to fight.
Yeah, we're taught how to digin, dig into the trenches and
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keep grinding, keep going, youknow, but when it comes to the
Lord it's all about surrender.
So, walking faithfully with himfor about three years now, it's
a new process to me, likecoming up to the altar and
getting down on your knees andlaying prostrate before him.
It's just a whole new realm.
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Yeah, because the fears I stillhave, fears in me that reside
from the past, I still havedoubt in my mind.
But coming forward, and when Ilay down before him and praise
him, doubt in my mind but comingforward, and when I lay down
before him and praise him, inthat surrender, I find this
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beautiful peace, this welcomingpeace of saying lay it all down
and that's what I know I need todo, but with King Jesus I get
to do that, I get to lay it down.
So, and then, along with that,is total obedience to the Spirit
, not partial obedience, becausepartial obedience is total
disobedience.
Right, that's good, and that'sgood and that's the place I find
myself at right now.
It's a beautiful place that Ihonestly thought I would never
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be at.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's such a good point, Like I don't know that
I've ever looked at it like that, but I totally agree with that,
wholeheartedly, 100%.
The fact that we are raised upbeing taught that we've got to
have control of everything buttrue worship is true surrender.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I think it's that posture of surrender that
actually gives us connection.
When you fully surrender, thereis your connection to the Lord.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I think that's why I could be so foreign to
people that don't understandwhat worship is.
We're not taught to let go ofeverything.
We're not taught to surrenderand be vulnerable.
We're not taught to just let goand just let God do right.
So even Christians that mayhave been saved for a little
while, that still aren'tunderstanding worship, what it
is, the power in it, why we'recalled to do it, because you're
(06:03):
right, they're still kind ofliving off of these old world
feelings of man.
I still have to hold on tosomething I've got to hold on to
myself.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
And if I could add one more thing, like for me, the
Lord has blessed me with abeautiful way of being
vulnerable that I oftentimeslike.
The world teaches that menshould not be like that.
Men should be alpha.
Nothing breaks you, you know,Keep it all in.
But for me, I got thisvulnerability to me and I'm
beginning to see that it's agift from God, especially in men
(06:32):
, because when you exposeyourself, my prayer is God,
expose my weaknesses and as I dothat around other men of the
faith they see that it's okay tobe vulnerable as well.
And then you got this beautifulplace that leads to worship.
It leads to worship.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Amen, it's okay to be vulnerable as well.
And then you got this beautifulplace that leads to worship.
Yeah, it leads to worship, amen.
It's hard to have intimacy ifyou're not first vulnerable.
Amen, yeah, right, because ifyou're a rock solid wall,
nothing can get in or out.
How are you going to have arelationship?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And that's the same for God.
If we're not vulnerable, evenlike in a human relationship, if
we're not vulnerable, thenwe're just going through motions
.
Right, we're just going throughthe motions.
But you're exactly right, man,that vulnerability is such a
huge key in worship.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I love it, man.
So what worship is to you issurrender for connection.
I love that.
That's good.
Well, what about?
Why is it important to worshipGod?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I believe it's because God is such a loving God
, but he's also the creator ofall things.
So what could be more importantto the creator than for His
creation to give Him the worshipthat is rightly due to Him?
But we also have that free willaspect, so he's not making us
worship Him.
We have the choice to him, butwe also have that free will
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aspect, so he's not making usworship him.
We have the choice to chooseand there's so much freedom in
choice.
But when we willfully chooseour faithful father and to
pursue him, even when it doesn'tmake sense, even when our
natural minds are trying toresurrect, even when this flesh
that's tethered to the world istelling us to go the opposite
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way, god is still there, sayinglike in His creation, like it's
all around you, like.
Look at the trees blooming andblossoming.
Look at the animals, likethirsting for Him.
Look at the birds that neverstop singing.
I don't know when the last timeyou've been outside, like if
you would just close your eyes.
It don't matter what time ofday the birds are singing, and
if they can do that, why can'twe?
And that's where I'm at.
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So that's why I believe it'simportant to God is because when
our praises go up to him, it'sa beautiful instance to him.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It so is, bro.
It reminds me of the scripturethat talks about if the people
don't cry out, the rocks will.
Yeah, I ain't gonna have norock doing my job.
It don't matter if the peopleare doing it or not, god's still
going to get it somehow, someway.
Why?
Because he's worthy of it.
Right, and man, you make agreat point Like I don't want
something or someone else doingmy job for God.
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You know, I'm called to worship, I'm called to give Him praise,
and I don't want to fall shortin that, and I don't think it's
about appeasing God either.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think it's about a response.
A worship should be a responseto what all God has provided for
us, not just something that theBible says that we should do.
No, it is a response to thelove and to the creation and to
everything that he does for us.
He's the source of everything,and so the Bible teaches us that
we should ascribe to the Lordthe glory that is due His name.
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That's what we read in Psalm 29.
It says worship the Lord in thesplendor of His holiness, and I
think that when we worship God,it reflects His glory and it
deepens our relationship withHim.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
You know, as knowing thatyou're a worshiper at heart and
really we all should be, youknow we all should be worship
warriors.
You know we're called toworship the Lord.
But let me ask you this why isworship important to Frankie
Brown?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, jim made a great point that it's a response
.
And to me, as he's saying, thatI realize why I'm unashamed to
worship so freely now.
Um, because it's my response,is my understanding now of his
word and the revelation but notjust the revelation of his word
(10:17):
that he's, uh, revealing to me,but it's the realization that
his word is truth.
And that's why I'm starting topraise, because he's telling me
a different narrative than I'vetold myself my whole life and
even the world's told me.
Yeah, that's right, but it's soimportant to me to worship
because when I stand among theassembly of gathered people in
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the house of God, when I worshiplike that, I like to believe
that it's showing the God isworthy to be worshiped.
And like what is this?
What is this man?
Why is this man got his handsup in the air?
Why is he shouting Like?
What is he shouting about?
And to me, that's just thegreatest thing that I could ever
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do is to honor the Lord in hishouse, but not only in his house
, but beyond Sunday.
Amen, amen.
You like that, I like it, I dolike that.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I like how you put that plug in there, brother.
That sounds familiar, yes,Doesn't worship.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know, worship is meant to be not about us.
Yeah, worship is meant to beall about God.
That's right.
But what I find is, when I'm inquiet and I'm just in His
presence, what happens is and Ilove how God does this I'm
focused solely on Him.
But what happens is, worshipwill end up centering me on
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God's truth and His presence, sothat when I am feeling
overwhelmed and when I go toworship because a lot of times,
people and you've heard thisbefore, man I just got too much
going on in my life I don't feellike worshiping Well, it's in
that moment that you need to go,find yourself in the presence
of the Lord, forget everythingthat you got going on, and then
what you'll find is that in hispresence, he centers you, and
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his truth and his presencethat's what's going to take all
of that stuff away from you.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, when we have found the feeling within us that
says I don't feel likeworshiping, we have lost the
truth that God is worthy ofworship all the time Right, and
we've made it all of a suddenwhen I feel like I don't want to
worship because I'm tired orit's late, or it's early or I
got a lot going on.
When we feel like we don't wantto worship, we've all of a
sudden made it about us and notabout God.
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And worship is not about us,it's about God.
And notice that when we make itabout us, we're not in spirit
and truth.
When we make it about us, we'renot focusing on the Father.
When we make it about us,oftentimes we're not even really
doing it.
We're not even really trulyworshiping.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Isn't that?
The most authentic worship,though, is when you're tired,
when you got these thingspressing in on your mind that
are telling you you should bemore concerned about what you're
going to cook for supper whenyou get home, but in that moment
, like in that moment to worship, to me that's the most
authentic worship you can have.
When you choose to press onthat's right In the inconvenient
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moments, in the inconvenienceof life, and press on that's so
good.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The Bible teaches us that worship renews our strength
.
Yeah, so when you're strugglingand you're weak, why would you
not go to worship Amen To getyour strength renewed?
Yeah, and so you know.
Speaking of that is anotherquestion we have here is what do
we benefit from worshiping God?
And I think that kind of seguesreally well into that, because
I know our strength is renewed.
But what are some other things,frankie, that you benefit from
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worshiping God?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Well, I have Psalm 103 here before me.
I like to read it Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Let's do that.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
God's Word to me better describes this than I can
from a human perspective.
It says this is the word of theLord, psalms 103, starting with
verse one my soul, bless theLord and all that is within me
bless his holy name.
My soul, bless the Lord and donot forget all his benefits.
He forgives all your iniquity,he heals all your diseases, he
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redeems your life from the pitand he crowns you with faithful
love and compassion, and hesatisfies you with good things.
Your youth is renewed like theeagle.
And I'll stop right there,because it can go on and on, and
on.
But, last night in the house ofthe Lord at the recharge service
, as we were worshiping, I feltthis presence of the Lord that
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overwhelmed me.
It was the first time in mylife that I felt this overwhelm,
that my mind wanted to shutdown because I couldn't, I
couldn't grasp.
I couldn't grasp it because Idon't have that glorified body
just yet.
But I was beginning to feelthis crown on my head and I'm
like Lord, what is this?
What is this crown that I feel?
And it's right here in verse 4.
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He crowns you with faithful loveand compassion and for the
first time ever, I reached upand I like to do like faithful
acts in my mind, that like whenI'm meditating on something, it
brings me to peace, as if I'mdoing it unto the Lord.
So last night I reached up tothe top of my head and I took
that crown and I cast it at hisyeah, and then, out of nowhere,
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like five seconds later, thecrown come back.
I could feel it like like it'sbeing crowned on my head.
I take it off and cast it again.
Yeah, and when I'm, when I'mtrying to tell you guys, is that
when he places his crown onyour head and his faithful love
and compassion, you can't castthat off.
Yeah, you can try, you can.
You can run back to your past,you can run back to the doubt,
you can listen to the lies ofthe enemy, but when he puts that
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crown on you, who's going totake it off?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So good, bro.
So many times, while I'mpreaching, or even just when I'm
just having a moment with theLord in private, so many times I
feel that type of feeling.
It's like this warm burningring that just sits on the top
of my head and, you're right, itwould be almost like a crown
coming down just sitting there.
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But it's this warmth that justcomes and rests man, and I know
that.
I know that it is the anointingof God that is just resting
upon my life and I want toencourage the listeners in that,
just like you had justmentioned, it's when we're in
the presence, it's when we'reinvolved in relationship that
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that tends to happen.
And I'm not saying it happensevery time, that's not what I'm
saying, but I love those momentsthat we get when we choose to
be vulnerable, surrender to theKing and let God do what only
God can do.
That passage is so beautifulbecause, man, we gain everything
by worshiping the Father, amen.
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What do you think, since we'retalking about worship and what
we get from it, and that God isworthy of it, and that it is a
practice, it is a discipline Iguess is a better word.
It is a discipline that weshould be doing?
What do you think hinderspeople from worshiping God
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within the church house today?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well, I think it's a combination of three things.
Number one the fear ofinfluence.
So that could be like thespiritual temp of circles around
you, including like your familycircle, your work circle, and I
know that you just preached onon that a couple sundays ago,
talking about spiritualtemperature, that we're most
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often times will conform to thespiritual temp of the room.
Yeah, so I think like thesphere of influence is one.
Number two, I would say livingin the past, because choosing to
not remain present, if youdon't, if you don't remain
present, you cannot see whathe's doing presently in your
life.
And oftentimes you're lookingback in the past and it's gone.
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So your focus and vision isn'teven on him.
And I've heard it said oncebefore where your focus goes,
grows.
But if you're more focused awayfrom him than where he is,
because he is the, he's thefuture.
I mean, he's the past, presentand future.
But if you, if you, if youchoose to live in the past and
that's a choice, yeah, and I'vedone that most of my life.
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And then I think the third thingis an undiagnosed hardened
heart, which I have sufferedfrom for many years.
So when you put those threethings together, the hardened
heart won't let you.
You have no desire to praiseGod.
You have every desire to pointyour finger at the hymn and say,
hey, you're the reason for this, when you don't even realize
that the only reason your bodyhasn't come apart, your
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molecules haven't come apart,the only reason you still have
breath in your lungs, is becauseof him.
Yeah, I think these threethings right here really hinder
people from worshiping God.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's so good man.
So the quote that you just said, I'm going to quote you on it
where your focus goes, grows.
That's powerful.
We just take a moment and justkind of soak in that water for a
minute.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I don't really understand it until I start
meditating on that, but it's sotrue because you can see it
manifest in your life, Like yeahthat's powerful.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, oh, that's really good man that's really
good.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Why do you feel like worship is not as important as
it should be?
I mean, we kind of discussed asecond ago why people may be
hindered from it, but so maybeit's the same thing, like, maybe
that's just one of the thingsPeople don't think it's as
important as it should be, andmaybe that speaks to maybe we
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don't really understand worshipthe way we should.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, I don't believe we do.
I don't believe we allotourselves the time to properly
meditate on these things, onwhat worship truly is.
But the number one thing Ibelieve that Christians don't
take it so seriously or theydon't find it important is they
don't understand that the Lordinhabits our praises.
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Yeah, that's right.
Scripture tells us that.
Scripture tells us that inPsalm 22.3.
Yeah, and when you reallyunderstand this I just got to
speak this out because I getfired up about this when you
begin to realize like, that'swhy y'all are going to see me
praising in the church, You'regoing to see me praising
wherever I'm at.
I'm going to be aiming topraise him.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
True that.
Look a little side note here,personal as well.
I've played pickleball with youa couple of times now outside
in the community and, BrotherFrankie, you bring your praise
music and you turn it up and canI just say it's contagious.
You know, it absolutely iscontagious to be around an
opportunity where there is abrother or a sister in Christ
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that is unashamed to worship God, no matter where they are.
So I didn't mean to interruptyou there, but it is a
contagious thing, amen.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Thank you for testifying to that.
But I want to say this to thelisteners and anybody that has a
doubt about it or a questioninglike why am I not worshiping in
spirit and truth?
And I want you to understandthis when the Lord inhabits your
praises, you got to begin tounderstand that as he inhabits
those praises, it brings himinto the present circumstance or
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situation that you're facing.
It means he's coming to life.
You're making him manifest intoyour situation, and when he
shows up on the scene, that'swhen things change.
When he shows up on the scene,things begin to look different.
When he shows up on the scene,things begin to look different.
When he shows up on the scene,life takes place over death, and
no longer does this situationseem unimaginable, no longer
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does this situation seem likethere's no way out, no resolve.
But he is the resolve.
And when you praise him, whenyou praise him and it don't make
sense, when you praise him andyou feel down, you got life
hitting you, a storm comes inand he inhabits the praise and
he begins to get into that room.
Man, everything changes.
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Like you talk about, the roommatters, but who is in the room
matters too, and if Jesus Christis in the room, man, that's the
room I want to be in,absolutely, brother.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Absolutely, and doesn't that speak to the—that
goes right back to the intimacy.
I think culture sometimesespecially now when you see the
YouTube videos and all theworship that's coming out now,
these worship videos I thinkculture pushes worship towards a
performance, and it's so.
Not a performance.
Worship praise, it's notperformance.
It's this intimate relationship, it's this thing that we do
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that honors.
It's honor from our lips to theLord.
It's not a performance.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
No, it's not because a lot of these videos are coming
out to be attractive, butreally to a worshiper at heart,
I'm just going to say it'sunattractive, because that's not
what worship is and it is aperformance is a lot of what we
see, unfortunately, nowadays,which kind of just segues into
this question.
You know, how does the enemy orwhat does the enemy do to try
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to keep God's people from trueworship?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Well, to that point, minimize it, water it down, wash
it up with things that aren'treally of the Lord.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, yeah absolutely Amen.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What do you think, Frankie?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
We know who the enemy is.
He's the father of all lies,yeah, but it's his job to get
back to the heart, and I believethat we need to be guardians of
our garden.
And what I mean by that is ourgarden, is our heart and mind.
The Bible talks about it inMark 4.
You got the parable of thesower.
It talks about the position ofthe heart.
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You got four different type ofsouls.
So it's the enemy's job to getback to your heart.
He's trying to get back to theroot.
He's trying to get back tocreating bitterness and division
, because he knows if he can dothat, he can get to your heart,
and where your heart really isis is the Lord, you know.
So he does this in many ways,but one of the tricky ways he
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does it cause he, he's a masterat his craft.
I'm not trying to give him moreglory than he deserves, but he
has no power over us.
But he'll plant those seeds ofdoubt in our hearts and minds.
He mimics everything the Lorddoes.
So the Lord tells you what youthink about will grow in you,
and that's seeds that are beingplanted.
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So the enemy is always plantingseeds, but we're supposed to put
the supernatural filter in ourhearts and minds.
That's the Word of God.
You're supposed to take everythought captive.
His Word tells us to do thatand when you don't, that thing
slips past the supernaturalfilter and it begins to fester
and grow.
And you'll quickly begin torealize when it's taking root,
because your mouth will startspeaking things that you know
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you ought not to be speaking.
But we don't really have thatrevelation in our minds that
when the Scriptures tells usthat there's power of life and
death in the tongue you know andthat we can speak our own
calamity into our own life, wedon't realize that.
As believers we don't think wehave that kind of power and
authority, but his word tells usthat we do.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Absolutely.
I want to give you guyssomething to consider.
Psalm 150, verse 6 says leteverything that has breath
praise the Lord.
Again, that's Psalm 150, verse6.
Let everything that has breathpraise the Lord.
So to me, everything meanseverything, which includes
everyone.
And when we come into God'shouse on Sunday morning or we're
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coming into the Father's housein a midweek service and there's
a corporate call to worshipthat is given, many things can
try to compete for our worship.
You know we're talking aboutlike what does the enemy do or
what is he using to stop peoplefrom worshiping?
Many things can try to competefor our worship.
Many different distractions canrise up, even in the house of
the Lord, if we're not carefulto try to hinder us from
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worshiping the Father in spiritand truth, from thoughts about
our morning waking up, coming tochurch God forbid, it was a
rough morning getting childrentogether.
Or a spouse is arguing with theother spouse in the vehicle on
the way to church, so there's anargument in the car taking
place.
Maybe they're going to bethinking about rather than
worshiping.
They're thinking about what'sgoing to happen after the
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service, or where are we goingto go to eat, or maybe the
temperature in the room is toohot or it's too cold, right, the
noise level of the music is tooloud, or maybe the song that's
being played is not theirfavorite right?
Maybe there's some children ina row, two rows up for you, or
over to the left or to the right, or three rows back or just
behind you, or maybe even inyour row that's just acting up
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right, and they're being used todistract you.
So distractions can beeverywhere.
But John 4, 24, jesus says thatGod is spirit, and those who
worship him must worship inspirit and truth.
So when I worship brothers,when I worship in spirit and
truth, I'm choosing to lock in.
I'm making a conscientiouseffort to lock in.
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I'm determined that nothing'sgoing to get in the way of me
worshiping God, and so I'mfocused and I'm tuned in to what
I'm actually singing to God.
It's more than just wordscoming out of my heart, but I'm
thinking about what I'm singingand I'm also thinking about how
the truth is.
I'm singing this right to theFather, amen.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, I think all those distractions you just
talked about can be lumped intowhat you said, frankie, as well.
There's an enemy and his wholegoal is to distract us and take
us away from relationship withthe Father, and so all of those
things that are happening can belumped into this spiritual
warfare.
And you know, the Bible teachesus how we can combat spiritual
warfare, how we can bevictorious over that warfare, is
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through worship.
Worship leads to victory in somany different of the Old
Testament stories.
So I would like to encourageanybody who might be struggling
during their worship with thisattack from the enemy Use
worship and wield worship sortof as spiritual warfare against
the enemy.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Absolutely.
Psalm 28, 7 says this the enemy.
Absolutely, psalm 28, 7 saysthis the Lord is my strength and
my shield.
In him my heart trusts and I amhelped.
My heart exalts and with mysong I give thanks to him.
So Psalm 28, verse 7 starts offbasically complimenting what
you just said, pastor Jim, is acompliment to it.
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You know, the Lord is mystrength and my shield, you know
.
But it ends with I'm going togive God the song unto him and
it's going to be through a heartof thanks and with my song I
give thanks to God.
So worship really is anopportunity to give thanks to
God, but it's also anopportunity to do what he
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created us to do, right, hecreated us to worship.
So when I step into church Icome prepared to worship.
You know, like man, when I wakeup and it's church day, I know
I'm focused, that this is theday that I'm coming into the
house to corporately worship.
You know, when it's not achurch day, I'm worshiping at
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the house or I'm worshiping inthe vehicle, I'm doing my thing.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But so it's a little different when it's individual
worship, but I'm going into thehouse prepared to worship.
It reminds me of that song.
This is how I fight my battles.
Yeah, oh bro.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And it really is a gift, right, the fact that we've
got an opportunity to worshipthe Lord.
Can I just straight up say itis a gift that God puts air in
our lungs, gives us bodies toget to the church, in a place to
be at and worship withoutpersecution.
He gives us an opportunity toworship him and it just blows my
mind how we can have matureChristians, air quotes around
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that, mature Christians thatjust choose not to worship.
You know, they just choose notto worship.
But I think that the reasonthey choose not to worship is
basically some, if not all, ofwhat we've already covered so
far in this episode, Somethingjust came flooding into my mind.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I got to share it with you guys and the listeners.
The reason the enemy distractsus not only in our everyday life
, because he's there, he triesto be there, but the reason he
truly tries to distract us inthe corporate worship and
setting is because he's the oldspiritual worship leader in
heaven.
Think about that.
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That was his main job as thelead cherubim in there was to
lead the worship service inheaven.
So when we praise, we'repraising God doing his job.
That was meant for him.
We're doing it for him now andso he's going to try to distract
us any way he can we become theworship leaders.
We become the worship leaders,right, right, and he's so
jealous of that.
Yeah, he can't stand that Can'tstand it.
So it's time for us to praiseeven more.
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You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, that's so good we're doing what he should have
been doing.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, he should have been doing that.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, that's a great point.
I was studying the Word thismorning and come across 2
Chronicles, chapter 20.
And let me just kind of fillthis in and I'm going to let you
guys talk about it.
I'm interested to hear whaty'all think.
2 Chronicles, chapter 20, we gotthe Moabites and the Ammonites
and there's some Munites andthey come against Judah and
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Jerusalem.
Jehoshaphat is told thatthere's a great multitude coming
against them and in the 18thand the 19th verse this is what
it says.
Second Chronicles, chapter 20,verse 18 and 19.
Then Jehoshaphat bowed his head, with his face to the ground,
and all Judah and theinhabitants of Jerusalem fell
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down before the Lord, worshipingthe Lord, and the Levites of
the Kohathites and the Korahitesstood up down before the Lord
worshiping the Lord, and theLevites of the Kohathites and
the Korahites stood up to praisethe Lord, the God of Israel,
with a very loud voice.
All right, so here we have theenemy.
Let me just kind of set thetable.
Here we have the enemy comingto town and rather than call it
quits, rather than cower in fear, the people come together and
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they worship God.
Now can I just say we all needto try that one on for size.
There's a problem coming.
It's out there, no doubt.
But I'm not going to focus onthat right now.
I'm going to worship Godbecause he's worthy of praise at
all times in my life, not justwhen things are going right.
And here's what I want to getyou guys' take on, because in
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2nd Chronicles, 20, verses 20through 23,.
This is what it follows up with.
And they rose early in themorning, remember, knowing that
the enemy is there.
And they rose early in themorning and went out into the
wilderness of Tekoa.
And when they went out,jehoshaphat stood and said hear
me, judah and inhabitants ofJerusalem believe in what God is
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saying.
All right, those who were tosing to the Lord and praise him
in holy attire as they wentbefore the army and say give
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thanks to the Lord for hissteadfast love endures forever.
And when they begin to sing andpraise, the Lord set an ambush
against the men of Ammon, moaband Mount Seir who had come
against Judah, so that they wererouted, for the men of Ammon
and Moab rose against theinhabitants of Mount Seir,
devoting them to destruction.
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And when they had made an endof the inhabitants of Seir, they
all helped to destroy oneanother.
So I'd like to just say this,and I'm going to get out of the
way and let y'all take itWorship makes your enemy flee.
What you guys think about that,they put the worshipers before
the warriors.
That's powerful stuff, worshipleads to victory.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's funny because I have 2 Chronicles, chapter 20,
21, and 22, in my notes.
Look at God work and right nextto it I wrote worship leads to
victory.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Praise the Lord, amen .
That's so good, bro.
I love that that's so good.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I love the fact that in scripture it said that they
rose early.
Oftentimes we're not willing toget up.
I've been feeling the Lord tellme, get up sooner.
Yeah, prepare Me too.
Prepare, and do it by praisingme, because that was the army,
right?
The army, it said the worshipleaders were in front of the
people that were actually thereto fight physically.
That's right.
So the army really was thosewho were praising the Lord
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fearlessly.
They did all the fighting thatneeded to be done.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Bro, it was such a beautiful thing to read and just
consider how they had toworship before there was a
battle, you know.
They had to worship and reallythey didn't even really have to
go out there and attack thesepeople.
They did it to themselves, youknow.
So the battle was already won,the victory is already had in
this thing called worship.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
So what they were doing in essence, then, is they
were putting the spiritual infront of the physical.
And how many times in our lifedo we always we'll do it
backwards, right?
Yeah, that's right, we'll putthe physical in front of the
spiritual, but they did thespiritual in front of the
physical and they did all thefighting for it.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I think that that shows a level of faith and where
your faith is.
And so oftentimes, when we putour physical in front of the
spiritual, it's because we don'ttruly understand the power of
the spiritual, the power that wehave in the Holy Spirit living
and residing inside of us.
Remember, Jesus said that we'regoing to do greater things than
even him.
Why?
Because the Holy Spirit livesinside of us.
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Amen.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
A couple weeks ago I mentionedat church about the power in
worship, the power in music, andI brought to example just
something that the Spirit wasshowing me with King Saul and
how, when King Saul had beendisobedient and God had removed
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the anointing and his presenceoff of King Saul's life, how God
allowed a spirit to come uponSaul.
That was evil, and you knowSaul was tortured with it.
Saul, that was evil, and youknow Saul was tortured with it,
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and it was punishment for allthat Saul had done and his
disobedience.
And the only thing that causedthat spirit to leave was when
David would come in and playworship.
You know so.
You just think about the powerand the victory that comes
through worship.
No other music, no other musicdo we see or do we read about or
do we know about, has the powerand the authority to make
demons flee.
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You know so.
To me, that's just anotherreason I don't want to miss an
opportunity of worship, becausethere's power in it.
You know that even demons haveto flee.
David wasn't in there castingout demons.
He just went in thereworshiping with the worshiper's
heart.
He truly had a heart to worshipthe Father.
And when real worship gets upin the room.
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The enemies got to get up outof there.
Amen.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
So I'd like to tell just speak to the listeners, and
then myself and Brother Lee andJim both that Esther 4.14 says,
brother Lee and Jim, both thatEsther 4.14 says, for if you
keep silent at this time, reliefand deliverance will rise for
the Jews from another place, butyou and your father's house
will perish.
And who knows whether you havenot come to the kingdom for such
a time as this.
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And I'm here to tell everybody,including myself, that's
listening, that has ears tolisten, that we are here for
such a time as this to praisethe Lord.
We're here for a time such asthis to worship Him and we ain't
gonna let nobody else do it forus.
And it's our time.
That's why we're here in thepresent, that's why we're here
in history, and it's His story.
(36:48):
We're here to tell His story inhistory about who Jesus Christ
is, what he's done, what he'sgoing to do and what's already
finished.
And we're born for such a timeas this.
It's time that we praise.
It's time that we praise witheverything we got.
Oh, praise the Lord, my soul,everything.
It's time to do it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Amen, that's so good, and we ain't got to wait for a
Sunday morning worship serviceor recharge service.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
It's beyond Sunday, bro.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
It's beyond Sunday, so it's every single day of your
life, every single moment ofyour life.
We should be letting all of ouractions be worship unto the
Lord.
It's not just when music isplaying, it's not just when you
put a CD on, it's our entirelives should be in surrender.
That heart of that posture thatwe talked about in the very
beginning of the podcast, thatposture of surrender and
obedience to all things Christ,that is a form of worship in and
of itself.
So everything that we do,everything that we say,
(37:42):
everything that we think itshould all be unto the Lord, as
if we were worshiping 24-7.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I think that today we have given the listeners a
great call to worship and,whether it's in the house or out
of the house, wherever you findyourself, when there's a call
to worship, we have to beobedient to do what is going to
please and honor the Father.
So let's pray.
Father, I'm grateful for thisopportunity that you've given us
today to come into this house,into this studio, and to talk
(38:12):
about the importance of worship,why it's important to you that
we were created to do it.
What benefits does it have forus?
You know we've talked about aplethora of things today on this
topic of worship and I pray, inthe name of the blood of Jesus
Christ, that it has answeredsome questions for some people.
I pray that it has given peoplepeace and comfort on the issue
(38:33):
of worship, lord, and I pray,most of all, that it encourages
everyone to begin to takeworship more seriously and to
have a hunger and a desire towant to worship you, because
you're worthy of it at all times.
And we ask all this in themighty name and the cleansing,
powerful blood of Jesus Christand everybody, my friends, said
together amen and amen.
(38:54):
Thank you so much for listening.
We look forward to seeing younext week on Beyond.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Sunday God bless.
Hey, frankie, I just want tosay thank you for being in the
house today.
Thank you for participating andgiving such good word and good
wisdom.
I really want to thank you forbeing here, brother.
Amen, amen, god bless y'all.
I'll see you next time.
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