February 19, 2025 • 25 mins
Step into the vibrant world of the Beyond the DJ Booth Podcast, where we unpack the intricacies of music awards, entertainment spectacles, and the DJ business landscape. Do you think a Super Bowl performance and industry dynamics could sway Grammy winner picks? Join us as we celebrate hitting the 5,000 download milestone across 22 episodes, with heartfelt thanks to our dedicated listeners. We unravel the mystery behind "Record of the Year" versus "Song of the Year," sharing our surprise at some of the winners in various categories.
Switching gears, we explore the bold spectacle of Kendrick Lamar's Super Bowl Halftime Show and its polarizing reception. Should future halftime shows aim to captivate the masses or push creative boundaries? We also tackle the complexities of selling a DJ business without tangible assets or recurring contracts, offering insights into sustainable business models that allow owners to step back from active DJing. From the challenges of handling financials when buying such a business to the broader hurdles of the event industry, we wrap up with gratitude for the feedback and engagement from our valued audience.
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Brian B (00:22):
what's up everybody?
Welcome back to to Beyond theDJ Booth Podcast.
I'm Brian B, one of theco-hosts, and this is Joe Bunn.
What's up, dude?
Did you get that email thismorning?
About what?
Dude?
This is a pretty epic situation.
We got going on Got this emailfrom our host who hosts our
podcast, the Buzzsprout.
We hit 5,000 downloads already.
(00:45):
Is that good?
That's really good, man.
I think it's good.
Yeah, I mean, we're not even 50episodes in 5,000 downloads.
How many episodes are we in?
This is number nine, I believe.
Joe Bunn (00:56):
No, no, this is season two though.
Brian B (00:57):
Okay, nine and 13, so 22.
Yeah, 22 episodes in yeah, yeah22 episodes in 5 000 yeah
that's good.
So thank you, to thank y'allfor watching and listening and
all the things.
We appreciate it.
We hope this is valuable andwe're going to keep pushing this
out and hopefully more peoplecatch on because I always get
confused, right about downloadsversus streams I think it's the
(01:18):
same one in the same.
Okay, downloads is the new I'mproud of it.
Joe Bunn (01:22):
I'm proud of it.
Yeah, you know how long it tookyour last podcast to get to
that.
Brian B (01:26):
No, I don't.
I mean, I can tell you, I'm atabout, I think, 50,000 downloads
.
That took over five or sixyears.
Right, we're going to kill that, we're going to smash that,
yeah, buddy.
So who's this podcast for?
Joe Bunn (01:38):
Let's talk about who it's for, podcast for the new
folks is for DJs I would sayprivate event DJs, wedding DJs.
It's for DJs birthday party DJsthat like to hear a couple of
guys chop it up, talk abouttheir experiences, because both
of us are still out theregrinding on the weekends, just
like you guys.
It is for people that like tohear about gear technology and
(02:01):
like to get their questionsanswered.
By the way, we need morequestions, so put them wherever
you can, dm them to us.
You can put them wherever youwant.
We'll find them.
Youtube comments youtubecomments.
Brian B (02:10):
That's a good spot if you're watching this on youtube
the full version the other thingyou should know is that we do
batch content because we arebusy people.
Joe Bunn (02:18):
We do we try and make about four or five at a time.
So if we are talking aboutsomething that was culturally
relevant, it's usually in thepast tense or it's already
happened.
Brian B (02:27):
Great segue, bro.
Just had the Grammys pass.
We did Thoughts.
I mean, we were in Arizona thenight it came out.
Joe Bunn (02:34):
I was going to say we're getting ready to talk
about something that neither ofus truly watched, because we
were at our conference the DJCollective Rechargement in
Phoenix, arizona, so we missedit Right, I think I have it
recorded.
Have not watched it, but you'veseen clips.
I've seen a lot of clips.
Social media is a beautifulthing for stuff like this.
Brian B (02:52):
Since you haven't totally seen it, I took the five
top categories.
Joe Bunn (02:57):
Oh, interesting Okay.
Brian B (02:58):
And thought we would talk it through.
So I love it.
Do you know the differencebetween record and song of the
year?
I do too.
I looked it up today, but Ididn't really know before you
give us the explanation.
Record of the year?
Joe Bunn (03:10):
No, I don't remember.
I look this up every year?
Go on, tell me.
Brian B (03:14):
So song of the year something about the writers.
Joe Bunn (03:17):
Yeah, okay, go on.
Brian B (03:18):
So the easy way for me to think about it is the song of
the year is like songwritingOkay, so the production could be
minimal, but the lyricalcontent the way it was like
written and is amazing, so theyusually goes to the actual
writers of the song and lessabout who's performing that.
Joe Bunn (03:32):
Okay, right.
Brian B (03:33):
Yeah, whereas record of the year is about the
performance, like the productionquality and all of those kinds
of things.
So first, category one of fivewas record of the year.
Yeah, category one of five wasrecord of the year.
Yeah, there was a ton of them.
Texas hold'em espresso.
360 by charlie xcx, birds of afeather, not like us.
Good luck, babe.
Fortnight by taylor swift andnow malo hohen, the beatles
(03:54):
track.
Joe Bunn (03:55):
That's insane somebody told me that was an ai song, or
something.
Brian B (03:57):
Yes, I do remember someone telling me that how can
that even be legal?
Did you know what took it homeout of all those?
Joe Bunn (04:03):
I think it was kendrick, wasn't?
Brian B (04:04):
it was kendrick, yeah are you surprised by that?
I mean, out of all the onesthat are performed up there?
Um, look, I'm thinkingperformance I just dude I.
Joe Bunn (04:13):
This whole thing has gotten out of hand.
I thought this was a dissrecord and diss records were not
grammy nominated when we werekids like right when two rappers
went at it.
It was just kind of a throwawaysong.
It may or may not have been onan album.
Is it a good song?
Sure, it's, kendrick, evenbetter.
No, out of those.
No, it's not a winner for me.
Brian B (04:32):
I thought out of performance wise, it would have
had to have been Birds of aFeather or Good Luck Babe.
I just think the way that thosewere performed not talking
about lyrical- content.
Joe Bunn (04:41):
You say good luck babe , or what.
Brian B (04:42):
I mean good luck, babe, the rain is crazy or birds of a
feather, it was just sointeresting To me.
Joe Bunn (04:47):
Yes, those are clearly the winner, but obviously we're
not on the Grammy committee.
Brian B (04:50):
And do you think we're going to get to this in a minute
too?
But do you think that hadanything to do with the Super
Bowl, the fact that he wasplaying halftime?
Joe Bunn (05:00):
at.
There's a lot of influence inthis nominating category, as
we're going to speak about, I'msure, on this.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Okay.
Brian B (05:06):
So let's go to the next one.
Okay, this is song of the year,so this is more songwriting.
There's a slew of people.
It's just a lot, but let's justsay Just say the song.
A bar song yeah, birds of afeather Die with a smile
Fortnite.
Good, please, please, please,texas Hold'em.
So which one of those?
Joe Bunn (05:22):
Is this Texas Hold'em?
Brian B (05:23):
No, this is Not Like Us .
Oh, okay Again.
Which that I could see winningthis one.
I mean the way he framed thelyrical content in there.
I know it's a diss record, butI'm just saying like the whole,
a minor thing, right, like theway he phrased that in else.
(05:44):
It's got like a slew of people.
I don't write.
Joe Bunn (05:46):
I can see that I'm fine with that.
Brian B (05:48):
All right Album of the year.
This is crazy.
Well, did you listen to theAndre 3000 record?
Yeah, it's terrible.
Joe Bunn (05:54):
I never heard it, I went and saw the concert.
Brian B (05:58):
It's a full record.
Joe Bunn (06:00):
They're trying to be artsy, they're trying to be
diverse.
Brian B (06:02):
So we got Cowboy Carter , beyonce, short and Sweet
Sabrina Carpenter.
Joe Bunn (06:11):
The Jesse Volume 4 by Jacob Collier.
I don't know that artist I gothere today and put this record
on.
Brian B (06:13):
Is it indie?
I'm guessing.
Joe Bunn (06:15):
It's out there.
He's like some sort ofmulti-instrumentalist composer
known for all these crazyharmonies.
And then there's like everyA-list person is the singer on
oh, he's kind of like jamesblake.
Yes, like obscure, but he's outthere he's won four grammys for
his first four albums.
Brian B (06:36):
Wow, first british person ever to do that we got
billy eilish's and thenchaparone and taylor swift, so
cowboy carter taking her awayeverything about this is not.
Joe Bunn (06:46):
This doesn't make any sense to anybody.
I'm sorry like there's not oneeven on the comments.
I'm going through them and I'mlike is anybody going to stand
up for this record?
Brian B (06:54):
She was looked surprised the clips I saw when
she won.
She's like what?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I don't think she expected it.
She should be.
Joe Bunn (07:01):
Listen, man, as a music fan, I gave this album a
chance when it came out, missedsomething, I mean.
I literally got in the car theother day and put it on, rode
around, did all errands all dayand I'm like this is not a good
album.
And then country record of theyear same.
Didn't that win that?
I think it did.
I don't think we're reallygoing to talk about that, but,
like dude, there's more pop thancountry.
(07:23):
And then I don't remember whothe other people are, but I mean
Out of this list, who did youthink was gonna win?
I can name five other peoplethat should have won yeah, I'm
sorry, man.
If you love beyonce, I'm happyfor you.
Like I'm sorry, man, this ain'tit.
This is worse than like jethrotull winning heavy metal record
of the year against foo fighters.
Yeah, whatever that one year,yeah that happened.
(07:43):
Jethro tull with the cowbell.
This is a travesty man.
I'm sorry you don't seemdisgusted.
It doesn doesn't surprise me Iguess have you really like
actually sat down and listenedto Cowboy Clark Do it, yeah, do
it, and we'll speak about itagain in the future.
Brian B (07:58):
All right, all right, let's go to the next one.
Dog shit.
Best new artist Benson Boone.
Sabrina Carpenter, is it D thenext one?
Krungbin.
All right, rangbin ray, I'massuming okay, chaparone,
shibuzi, teddy swims any ideawho won this one.
Uh, I think it was, uh, sabrinachaparone.
Okay, this was a tough category, it's super tough.
Joe Bunn (08:20):
Everybody on that list kind of killed it this year the
female is destroyed it thisyear.
Ray ray is on.
Yeah, she's featured on somerecords, you know the name looks
familiar, but I don't know.
Brian B (08:29):
I couldn't tell you one track again.
Joe Bunn (08:30):
Man.
What's crazy about these peopleis, you know, everybody's like
best new artist or these people,you know came out of nowhere,
but chapel run has been in thegame for a while.
She was even under her realname for a long time yeah this
is sabrina carpenter's eitherseventh or eighth record so then
, how did they get on?
Brian B (08:45):
I don't know.
Joe Bunn (08:45):
All right, last one sorry about my voice guys.
I know I'm clearing my throat alot on this thing, honest to
God What'd?
You catch?
I don't know, it wasn't theRona, it wasn't the vid.
It's just got to be the end oflike a terrible cold.
All right, I hear that man.
Brian B (08:59):
I thought this was an interesting category, just
because this kind of relates toDJs right Best remix.
Joe Bunn (09:04):
Yeah.
Brian B (09:04):
So do you know these remix?
I know.
Joe Bunn (09:07):
Kaytranada well.
Brian B (09:08):
Do you play that Ghetto version of a bar song Ghetto?
Joe Bunn (09:11):
Yeah, I don't.
No, I play Scooter's version.
Brian B (09:13):
All right.
What about this version ofEspresso?
Have you heard this version?
Joe Bunn (09:16):
No, have you.
I love Mark Ronson, he'sgodlike, and then Op Piano.
Brian B (09:20):
so it's definitely.
Joe Bunn (09:21):
I'm Op Piano.
I don't know that song tough,I'm gonna say ghetto one
espresso mark ronson okay ron,which that's a great version
I've had a lot of people send methis version, that one I mean,
I just never have liked thatsong out of all of those sabrina
carpenter ones that's not forme okay, but I do like that
(09:41):
version of it.
Brian B (09:41):
It's a good version.
And dude, that guy's won howmany grammys now, geez, he's on
a roll.
I love mark you really can't gowrong, because he did the
barbies thing too right.
Joe Bunn (09:49):
He's a great DJ too.
Brian B (09:51):
Multi-talented Shout out Mark Ronson.
So what did you see at theGrammys?
Performance-wise or chatter, ifyou didn't see the performance,
does anything stand out?
Joe Bunn (09:59):
You know the controversy was the collection
by Beyonce.
Everybody was excited forKendrick.
I mean, he won an armful ofthem.
I saw Benson Boone that wasepic yeah where they ripped his
tux off and he had like ajumpsuit.
But, then, he got in troublefor grabbing his nuts or
something at the end.
Brian B (10:15):
Did he?
Joe Bunn (10:15):
Okay, I missed that yeah grabbed his sack right at
the end.
Wow, and that was, like youknow, network TV.
Yeah, you can't really, butthat stash he had he's always
got that stash.
Has he.
Brian B (10:27):
He came from American Idol.
Back then he didn't have thestache, so he's definitely grown
into that whole situation.
Joe Bunn (10:33):
Yeah, that whole 70s jumpsuit, poor stache mullet.
Brian B (10:37):
Alright, so because we're batching content.
Then there was the Super Bowl.
Joe Bunn (10:40):
Yes, there was, we were together at the Bun Crib.
Brian B (10:43):
So if you had to give it a grade A to F, what are we
going with?
Joe Bunn (10:49):
C plus what goes into the grade Song selection,
production, special guests,sound quality.
I have a feeling it playedterribly in person.
It played well on TV.
The way it was shot, the lightsthere were like a lot of lights
, almost like on the field.
Behind them Red, white and blueoutfits, samuel L Jackson, sza,
(11:11):
blah, blah, blah.
I mean it's got 10,000 deepermeanings, or either people are
saying that I feel like youprobably would have got more out
of it if you were black.
You want to speak on that,saquon Do?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
you want to speak for the entire community or no?
I mean, I would have gave it a,b.
Brian B (11:26):
That's where I was going with it.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I would have given it a, b because I agree it
probably didn't transfer as wellin person.
But I don't think that's whathe was trying to do, right, but
are there a lot of messages init.
Joe Bunn (11:37):
Or are we reading too deep into it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
No, no, no.
There's definitely a lot ofmessages.
Okay, it's too long to go intonow.
Joe Bunn (11:45):
No, I'm not saying I have a problem with that.
And then I guess at the end ofthe day, I'm c plus instead of b
, because I don't think, as amusic consumer and when I look
at all the other artists are outthere, other people that we're
talking about I don't think thecatalog is big enough for the
super bowl.
It's not a rihanna catalog Idon't agree.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Sure, catalog he could have did.
He could have did a lot ofother records.
I agree that you probablyforgot about listen.
Joe Bunn (12:08):
I'm not discounting that the guy has a good catalog.
But when I think about all thepeople that have done the Super
Bowl, the catalog is giant and Idon't feel like it's giant.
It's big, it's good.
I like Kendrick.
I'm not a Kendrick hater.
I don't ride around and listento Kendrick.
Brian B (12:24):
Well, when they announced this pick in September
, of last year.
I just wrote.
I thought this was aninteresting pick.
Joe Bunn (12:30):
Not good or bad, Not bad right Interesting I just
thought it was an interestingselection.
And then, of course, everybodywas upset because it wasn't
Wayne, it was.
Brian B (12:37):
New Orleans, but nobody does that.
Joe Bunn (12:39):
Nobody does that I mean just because it's in your
city, Right?
Brian B (12:46):
And they did all the as I was watching it.
I give it a, B, a strong.
Joe Bunn (12:49):
B.
Brian B (12:50):
Then when I went back and watched again, my grade went
up.
You're A, I'm in the A category, not A plus, but I'll give it
an A minus.
The chatter that I would hearis that it wasn't entertaining
enough or whatever, and I feellike sometimes that overshadows
the talent.
I'm a purist.
I want to hear the vocal.
I want to see that artistexpress their art.
However To I want to see likethat artist express their art.
However, right To me, he didthat.
(13:12):
He did his thing.
He.
That's who he is.
He's a storyteller.
He's going to, he's going forthe deeper meaning stuff.
Joe Bunn (13:16):
Okay, and it's not going to be for everybody.
Brian B (13:19):
I don't think he did.
Joe Bunn (13:21):
Oh.
Brian B (13:22):
I don't know about that but he he definitely did Check
the tape on that one.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I mean, he was not short, he was not.
Joe Bunn (13:30):
No.
Brian B (13:31):
That was crazy.
Joe Bunn (13:32):
No, he was ripping it yeah.
Brian B (13:38):
When I was watching it, the thought I had was this
feels like it's literally amusic video that's happening
right now.
Right, that's what I'm saying.
The way it was shot, yeah.
Joe Bunn (13:43):
That's what I'm saying .
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I saw to be like super hype, because I have a
feeling it played so much betteron TV.
I also think people were.
They didn't know what to expect, so that's why you didn't see a
whole lot of crowd involvementbecause it's like we don't know
what's going to go.
Joe Bunn (14:01):
What are we supposed to do?
What are?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
we supposed to do.
We're all waiting for that onesong.
First of all, right right.
Second of all, nobody like himhas really been at the Super
Bowl like that.
Joe Bunn (14:08):
really been at the Super Bowl like that.
It's like what is he going todo?
What's going to happen?
Let's just watch.
That's why I think the crowdwas kind of reserved a little
bit.
Brian B (14:18):
So two follow-up questions.
One do they keep this kind ofaccent?
Don't go as mainstream.
Let's put it that way Kendrickis becoming more and more
mainstream, but they usuallykind of go for the thing that's
going for more age ranges, widerdemographic.
Do you think that's going to goback to that because of this
performance, or do you thinkthey just keep trying to push
the envelope a little bit?
Joe Bunn (14:37):
I think both you have to go back and forth, not
necessarily every other year, isthis guy's not as you?
Know, there's a lot of artistsout there, man that could carry
it, or even packages of artists.
I mean, you could have packagedSabrina Charlie and Chapel Roan
and had a killer.
You know thing, People arealready screaming about Chris
Brown for next year.
Brian B (14:54):
I was just going to ask who do?
You think is on the who's onthe docket for next year?
Who do you think?
Any predictions?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I don't hate the Chris Brown thing.
I mean, chris Brown couldprobably go off, right, I ain't
going to lie.
Joe Bunn (15:06):
Like he was fine, I don't know.
I mean, we were talking aboutthat the other day.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
He definitely was, I mean everybody.
Hold on.
Let me say this Go ahead.
If Rihanna can forgive him, wecan offer you.
Brian B (15:17):
True story.
Okay.
Is that who you'd want?
Is that who you think?
Joe Bunn (15:20):
Who's left that you haven't?
Brian B (15:21):
seen that do.
The Super Bowl that you feellike deserves that honor.
Joe Bunn (15:24):
Has Coldplay done the Super?
Brian B (15:25):
Bowl on them and said that they were one of the worst
they've ever seen, if not theworst.
I was like, alright, soColdplay did it yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
As the Foo.
Joe Bunn (15:34):
Fighters.
Have they done it?
I don't think they have.
They would crush.
I'm trying to think of peoplethat are.
I'd watch Taylor.
Brian B (15:39):
Yeah, she don't need it .
I think this is more, it's notabout needing, but I think it
does.
Joe Bunn (15:43):
It's just a legacy Pete Did Michael, Michael
Jackson.
He was at the absolute pinnacle, Michael.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Jackson.
Michael Jackson can dance Well,we know she can't dance.
But that's what I'm saying.
She's not like.
Joe Bunn (15:56):
It's production, though she plays stadiums.
This is stadium shit.
This is what she does, bro, Meand you had this conversation in
the car the other day.
There are so few people, solike a stadium, do you think
80,000.
What about pink?
Yeah, pink would destroy, butshe's going to have to fly.
She's got to do the aerial shit, just like you did.
She did here.
You got to fly around, but shewas doing that at baseball
(16:18):
stadiums all summer.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You got to fly?
Yeah, you got to fly If you'veflown before you're going to fly
again.
Brian B (16:23):
So I thought Chapel Roan would be who I think should
be the next run by next SuperBowl will be unheard of.
Joe Bunn (16:29):
Not yet Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, you heard it here first.
I was about to say I don'tthink she's going to last bro.
Brian B (16:35):
She isn't Okay.
Joe Bunn (16:37):
I'm sorry.
I think her songwriting isinteresting though you can clip
this up for social.
But think about it.
I haven't played a ton of showsthis year.
We played Pink Pony Club theother night.
It sort of went off.
Brian B (16:48):
Yeah, but that crowd you were saying was not.
Joe Bunn (16:50):
It was kind of no they were, they were into it, okay.
Remember I was saying it wasgood other than the last 30
minutes, okay, okay, and then itfaltered well, we can move off
this I just wanted at least pinkpony club talk, the great talk,
the grade, all that kind ofstuff.
Brian B (17:02):
I said it.
I do have a travel hack for you.
You do, yeah, okay, and it'sfree to go on.
So I don't know if you knewthis, but since you are soon to
go abroad, yes, I am Right.
Where are you going?
Iceland and Paris, oui, oui,next week You're going to get a
little bit of a baguette, sure?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
A croissant.
Joe Bunn (17:19):
A croissant.
Brian B (17:21):
So one of the things that I hate when I go abroad is
the currency exchange.
Joe Bunn (17:25):
Yeah, like no one.
Brian B (17:25):
What's what Right you know, built it into the iPhone.
Now, stop it.
Yeah, so if you go to yourcalculator, okay, the bottom
here.
Okay, click on that.
Okay, convert button on thebottom, put that in there.
Look, it shows you whatever youwant?
Joe Bunn (17:40):
No way.
Brian B (17:41):
USD to euros.
So if I go $6, what are welooking at there?
Joe Bunn (17:43):
$5.80.
Brian B (17:44):
That quick Great fix.
You're going to Japan soon, Ithink.
Joe Bunn (17:47):
Yeah, me and Saquon say we're coming this summer,
right, and then a couple otherplaces you're headed, so I think
this could come in handy.
Brian B (17:53):
Wow, dude, don't need to look it up, don't need
internet connection, just openthe calculator app?
Joe Bunn (17:58):
No app, no, nothing, just the calculator app.
Yeah.
Brian B (18:01):
So if you ever want to turn, it off you just click
convert over and you're done,oops.
Joe Bunn (18:07):
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Genius.
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(18:39):
Anyway, let's keep it moving.
Brian B (18:41):
Let me ask you one more .
Do we have a promo code forthis?
We need to get a promo code sowe can track these a little bit
better, don't you think?
Solid point Our boy, uh, richie.
Joe Bunn (18:48):
Stedman Dude.
Let me tell you something.
Number one, richie Stedman.
You know Richie Stedman inperson.
Do you know this guy?
Brian B (18:54):
I do.
I've met him many times.
Joe Bunn (18:56):
Great dude, number one podcast expert.
He literally is who started.
Brian B (19:01):
That's where I met him in person, I think is at the
podcasting conferences.
Joe Bunn (19:05):
I think you did.
Yeah, I know him, he, but hedoes a lot with podcasts.
He's who got Allenberg startedon his podcast, right, allenberg
would never have a podcastwithout Richie.
Brian B (19:13):
Stedman.
Joe Bunn (19:14):
Right.
Richie Stedman has helped meand Mike Walter with ours.
He's helped me and you withthis.
He's the one that put us onBuzzsprout for where we host our
podcast.
Let's give Richie freakingStedman his flowers and answer
his question.
Go on.
Brian B (19:28):
It's a two-parter he's going in.
What would you do to get readyto end or sell your business?
Number two what would you wantif you're on the other end of
the spectrum and a multi-op, ifyou were going to purchase, and
how would you value it?
I guess you want to start.
The first one is easy.
I think.
If you're getting ready to endit, you got to have clean books.
That's like clean books, clean,clean books, books and returns,
(19:48):
tax returns yeah, all of thatright.
have it be as functioningwithout you as possible in other
words where you don't have tobe the integral part of the
business that the person'spurchasing that without integral
.
Joe Bunn (20:00):
You say integral.
Brian B (20:02):
Integral is it?
Am I wrong?
I don't know.
Joe Bunn (20:04):
Yeah, I don't know somebody in the comments is
probably getting shit on, Isuppose one of us.
Brian B (20:08):
Yeah, go on um, but I feel like you got to take
yourself out of the equation.
So it can be something worthselling, because if it was like
joe bun, it doesn't have joe bunthere.
Right, it's still run and rightstill have the meaning of it
right behind it right, that'swhat I would think, if you were
doing just part one of thisquestion, how would you answer
this?
Joe Bunn (20:24):
man, I think it's a super tough sell period, whether
my company name is bun djcompany, orate the World
Entertainment, you know whatRichie's is right Best DJ in
Utah.
Brian B (20:34):
Which is epic.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Maybe his is worth a fortune.
It could be.
Joe Bunn (20:38):
He's got that URL too, I think.
Brian B (20:40):
Yeah, he does Like bestdjinutahcom, he does yeah.
Joe Bunn (20:43):
I just think it's tough to sell a multi-op unless
you have a building.
But then who wants the buildingRight, wants the building right
, right, like?
In other words, you have noassets.
Everything in that closet rightthere beside you is worthless
now right, even if it's brandnew.
It's worthless, depreciated theday that I bought it.
The employees are not employeeshere, they're 1099, they're
subcontractors.
They have the ability to leave.
(21:03):
I'm gonna leave as the owner.
Maybe I stick around for a year.
Maybe that's worth something.
Vehicles are paid for, but it'sliterally a van, van.
You know what I mean.
I think it's a very tough sell.
I mean I'm not trying to be anegative.
Will somebody maybe give you 50grand for it, for the contracts
you have on the books and a fewsets of speakers, maybe, but I
(21:24):
mean I don't think it's going tobe something you can retire and
live off this legacy money ever, even with our company that's a
seven-figure company, I guess.
Number two what would I lookfor?
I mean you probably would haveto have, like a warehouse, you
know, some sort of real estateto come along with it or a
production thing or a huge bookof business.
(21:44):
Maybe you have, you know, kindof like those guys up in New
York, jeffrey Craig and them,where they've got like the New
York Giants are a client, maybethey're even on a retainer or
something like you're going tohave to have some package that
is so unmistakable or soundeniable that I've got to have
this Like if I want to keepdoing it.
But at the end of the day, man,for me I don't think there's a
(22:06):
reason to ever sell the business.
I'm not going to DJ forever.
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to DJ forever.
I might not DJ past 2026, whereI've got shows booked.
Right now I'll be 55.
Maybe I'll just run thebusiness, maybe I'll just become
kind of like an agent.
The goal for me and that's why Ipush so hard on the people that
are single ops is to thinkabout the future.
You don't want to play 100shows a year.
(22:27):
You want your people to play400, 500, 500, a thousand shows
a year and you want to be at thebeach chilling.
That is the move, that's thedream, that is where the money's
at.
I don't want to play forever.
I love it, but I don't.
I just know I'm not going toplay forever.
To me it's not a sellablebusiness, nor do I want to,
because it can go on forever.
Brian B (22:53):
As long as you keep the pipeline full, keep djs.
It can go forever, dude.
Yeah, I was just gonna add tothis that go on.
If I was going to buy abusiness that was a dj company I
would want to see and this israre to see but if you have
anybody that has contracts withlong-term, like um reoccurring
billing right like the one thatyou have with the av stuff
you're about to do for that onevenue right, and you had a
contract in place.
Joe Bunn (23:10):
It said for the year it's going to be a hundred
thousand dollars every month atthe toyota dealership right, or
some ribbon cutting or newvehicle launch, or whatever, or
if I could see a consistentpattern with holiday parties.
Brian B (23:22):
Yeah, like every year, these you can pay a game.
Yes, lenovo yeah, whatever captrust and that doesn't happen
very often most people are doingone-offs right, especially in
our world of private events,with weddings specifically, so
like it would be tough toevaluate that because it could
be gone tomorrow.
That relationship, you don'tknow how it was started.
It could have been just withthe owner, who knows.
(23:42):
There's a lot of differentthings there.
There's so much turnover incorporate Right.
The other thing I would say toosay too, if you were even
looking into this, this iscoming from somebody who
actually had someone buy abusiness recently.
It's in the event space, not DJbusiness, but this is with
rentals and one of the thingsthat we had to make sure of was
that any deposit taken is goinginto a holding account, because
(24:03):
what was happening was the ownerwho was selling was going to
take that money.
You still got to pay out allthe people and now you got no
profits because you basicallyit's all gone.
Joe Bunn (24:16):
So if you're buying that business, have that
structured in there of like whathappens to the deposit money,
because if you don't, it's notyours.
By the way, people right, it'sthe business.
That's right.
Right, that's right.
Brian B (24:22):
So it's important to kind of know how you're going to
play that and that it'scontractually obligated of like
what happens there, cause youcould be on the hook for all of
it and have no money.
They've paid their balances andthey take, they wipe out the
bank account and all of a suddenyou got nothing, nothing just
you know you're you're owing, soI gotta be really careful with
that stuff I'm trying to be morecognizant in this episode.
Joe Bunn (24:39):
Apparently, like last episode or the one before, I
kept like you were talking and Ikept going.
Did you see that?
Brian B (24:45):
comment.
I did see that.
Joe Bunn (24:47):
Yeah, dick um, so anyway, I'm trying not to do
that.
I hope I haven't been doingthat I'm trying to talk over you
that was the comment I got yesthe critics critics man
damn, we're trying to give goodvalue here and just people would
just love the dookie on me andyou.
Anyway, good episode, bro.
That's all I got.
That's all I got, hopefully Ihelped you guys, yeah yeah,
(25:09):
thanks, richie and everybody.
Thanks for watching.
We're just picking on y'all.
We love you guys.
Thanks for watching.
I hope you're learning a littlesomething being entertained
every week, and every Wednesdaymorning you can look for the
video version and the podcastcome out wherever you stream.
Thanks y'all.
Later you.
what's up everybody?
Welcome back to to Beyond theDJ Booth Podcast.
I'm Brian B, one of theco-hosts, and this is Joe Bunn.
What's up, dude?
Did you get that email thismorning?
About what?
Dude?
This is a pretty epic situation.
We got going on Got this emailfrom our host who hosts our
podcast, the Buzzsprout.
We hit 5,000 downloads already.
(00:45):
Is that good?
That's really good, man.
I think it's good.
Yeah, I mean, we're not even 50episodes in 5,000 downloads.
How many episodes are we in?
This is number nine, I believe.
Joe Bunn (00:56):
No, no, this is season two though.
Brian B (00:57):
Okay, nine and 13, so 22.
Yeah, 22 episodes in yeah, yeah22 episodes in 5 000 yeah
that's good.
So thank you, to thank y'allfor watching and listening and
all the things.
We appreciate it.
We hope this is valuable andwe're going to keep pushing this
out and hopefully more peoplecatch on because I always get
confused, right about downloadsversus streams I think it's the
(01:18):
same one in the same.
Okay, downloads is the new I'mproud of it.
Joe Bunn (01:22):
I'm proud of it.
Yeah, you know how long it tookyour last podcast to get to
that.
Brian B (01:26):
No, I don't.
I mean, I can tell you, I'm atabout, I think, 50,000 downloads
.
That took over five or sixyears.
Right, we're going to kill that, we're going to smash that,
yeah, buddy.
So who's this podcast for?
Joe Bunn (01:38):
Let's talk about who it's for, podcast for the new
folks is for DJs I would sayprivate event DJs, wedding DJs.
It's for DJs birthday party DJsthat like to hear a couple of
guys chop it up, talk abouttheir experiences, because both
of us are still out theregrinding on the weekends, just
like you guys.
It is for people that like tohear about gear technology and
(02:01):
like to get their questionsanswered.
By the way, we need morequestions, so put them wherever
you can, dm them to us.
You can put them wherever youwant.
We'll find them.
Youtube comments youtubecomments.
Brian B (02:10):
That's a good spot if you're watching this on youtube
the full version the other thingyou should know is that we do
batch content because we arebusy people.
Joe Bunn (02:18):
We do we try and make about four or five at a time.
So if we are talking aboutsomething that was culturally
relevant, it's usually in thepast tense or it's already
happened.
Brian B (02:27):
Great segue, bro.
Just had the Grammys pass.
We did Thoughts.
I mean, we were in Arizona thenight it came out.
Joe Bunn (02:34):
I was going to say we're getting ready to talk
about something that neither ofus truly watched, because we
were at our conference the DJCollective Rechargement in
Phoenix, arizona, so we missedit Right, I think I have it
recorded.
Have not watched it, but you'veseen clips.
I've seen a lot of clips.
Social media is a beautifulthing for stuff like this.
Brian B (02:52):
Since you haven't totally seen it, I took the five
top categories.
Joe Bunn (02:57):
Oh, interesting Okay.
Brian B (02:58):
And thought we would talk it through.
So I love it.
Do you know the differencebetween record and song of the
year?
I do too.
I looked it up today, but Ididn't really know before you
give us the explanation.
Record of the year?
Joe Bunn (03:10):
No, I don't remember.
I look this up every year?
Go on, tell me.
Brian B (03:14):
So song of the year something about the writers.
Joe Bunn (03:17):
Yeah, okay, go on.
Brian B (03:18):
So the easy way for me to think about it is the song of
the year is like songwritingOkay, so the production could be
minimal, but the lyricalcontent the way it was like
written and is amazing, so theyusually goes to the actual
writers of the song and lessabout who's performing that.
Joe Bunn (03:32):
Okay, right.
Brian B (03:33):
Yeah, whereas record of the year is about the
performance, like the productionquality and all of those kinds
of things.
So first, category one of fivewas record of the year.
Yeah, category one of five wasrecord of the year.
Yeah, there was a ton of them.
Texas hold'em espresso.
360 by charlie xcx, birds of afeather, not like us.
Good luck, babe.
Fortnight by taylor swift andnow malo hohen, the beatles
(03:54):
track.
Joe Bunn (03:55):
That's insane somebody told me that was an ai song, or
something.
Brian B (03:57):
Yes, I do remember someone telling me that how can
that even be legal?
Did you know what took it homeout of all those?
Joe Bunn (04:03):
I think it was kendrick, wasn't?
Brian B (04:04):
it was kendrick, yeah are you surprised by that?
I mean, out of all the onesthat are performed up there?
Um, look, I'm thinkingperformance I just dude I.
Joe Bunn (04:13):
This whole thing has gotten out of hand.
I thought this was a dissrecord and diss records were not
grammy nominated when we werekids like right when two rappers
went at it.
It was just kind of a throwawaysong.
It may or may not have been onan album.
Is it a good song?
Sure, it's, kendrick, evenbetter.
No, out of those.
No, it's not a winner for me.
Brian B (04:32):
I thought out of performance wise, it would have
had to have been Birds of aFeather or Good Luck Babe.
I just think the way that thosewere performed not talking
about lyrical- content.
Joe Bunn (04:41):
You say good luck babe , or what.
Brian B (04:42):
I mean good luck, babe, the rain is crazy or birds of a
feather, it was just sointeresting To me.
Joe Bunn (04:47):
Yes, those are clearly the winner, but obviously we're
not on the Grammy committee.
Brian B (04:50):
And do you think we're going to get to this in a minute
too?
But do you think that hadanything to do with the Super
Bowl, the fact that he wasplaying halftime?
Joe Bunn (05:00):
at.
There's a lot of influence inthis nominating category, as
we're going to speak about, I'msure, on this.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Okay.
Brian B (05:06):
So let's go to the next one.
Okay, this is song of the year,so this is more songwriting.
There's a slew of people.
It's just a lot, but let's justsay Just say the song.
A bar song yeah, birds of afeather Die with a smile
Fortnite.
Good, please, please, please,texas Hold'em.
So which one of those?
Joe Bunn (05:22):
Is this Texas Hold'em?
Brian B (05:23):
No, this is Not Like Us .
Oh, okay Again.
Which that I could see winningthis one.
I mean the way he framed thelyrical content in there.
I know it's a diss record, butI'm just saying like the whole,
a minor thing, right, like theway he phrased that in else.
(05:44):
It's got like a slew of people.
I don't write.
Joe Bunn (05:46):
I can see that I'm fine with that.
Brian B (05:48):
All right Album of the year.
This is crazy.
Well, did you listen to theAndre 3000 record?
Yeah, it's terrible.
Joe Bunn (05:54):
I never heard it, I went and saw the concert.
Brian B (05:58):
It's a full record.
Joe Bunn (06:00):
They're trying to be artsy, they're trying to be
diverse.
Brian B (06:02):
So we got Cowboy Carter , beyonce, short and Sweet
Sabrina Carpenter.
Joe Bunn (06:11):
The Jesse Volume 4 by Jacob Collier.
I don't know that artist I gothere today and put this record
on.
Brian B (06:13):
Is it indie?
I'm guessing.
Joe Bunn (06:15):
It's out there.
He's like some sort ofmulti-instrumentalist composer
known for all these crazyharmonies.
And then there's like everyA-list person is the singer on
oh, he's kind of like jamesblake.
Yes, like obscure, but he's outthere he's won four grammys for
his first four albums.
Brian B (06:36):
Wow, first british person ever to do that we got
billy eilish's and thenchaparone and taylor swift, so
cowboy carter taking her awayeverything about this is not.
Joe Bunn (06:46):
This doesn't make any sense to anybody.
I'm sorry like there's not oneeven on the comments.
I'm going through them and I'mlike is anybody going to stand
up for this record?
Brian B (06:54):
She was looked surprised the clips I saw when
she won.
She's like what?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
I don't think she expected it.
She should be.
Joe Bunn (07:01):
Listen, man, as a music fan, I gave this album a
chance when it came out, missedsomething, I mean.
I literally got in the car theother day and put it on, rode
around, did all errands all dayand I'm like this is not a good
album.
And then country record of theyear same.
Didn't that win that?
I think it did.
I don't think we're reallygoing to talk about that, but,
like dude, there's more pop thancountry.
(07:23):
And then I don't remember whothe other people are, but I mean
Out of this list, who did youthink was gonna win?
I can name five other peoplethat should have won yeah, I'm
sorry, man.
If you love beyonce, I'm happyfor you.
Like I'm sorry, man, this ain'tit.
This is worse than like jethrotull winning heavy metal record
of the year against foo fighters.
Yeah, whatever that one year,yeah that happened.
(07:43):
Jethro tull with the cowbell.
This is a travesty man.
I'm sorry you don't seemdisgusted.
It doesn doesn't surprise me Iguess have you really like
actually sat down and listenedto Cowboy Clark Do it, yeah, do
it, and we'll speak about itagain in the future.
Brian B (07:58):
All right, all right, let's go to the next one.
Dog shit.
Best new artist Benson Boone.
Sabrina Carpenter, is it D thenext one?
Krungbin.
All right, rangbin ray, I'massuming okay, chaparone,
shibuzi, teddy swims any ideawho won this one.
Uh, I think it was, uh, sabrinachaparone.
Okay, this was a tough category, it's super tough.
Joe Bunn (08:20):
Everybody on that list kind of killed it this year the
female is destroyed it thisyear.
Ray ray is on.
Yeah, she's featured on somerecords, you know the name looks
familiar, but I don't know.
Brian B (08:29):
I couldn't tell you one track again.
Joe Bunn (08:30):
Man.
What's crazy about these peopleis, you know, everybody's like
best new artist or these people,you know came out of nowhere,
but chapel run has been in thegame for a while.
She was even under her realname for a long time yeah this
is sabrina carpenter's eitherseventh or eighth record so then
, how did they get on?
Brian B (08:45):
I don't know.
Joe Bunn (08:45):
All right, last one sorry about my voice guys.
I know I'm clearing my throat alot on this thing, honest to
God What'd?
You catch?
I don't know, it wasn't theRona, it wasn't the vid.
It's just got to be the end oflike a terrible cold.
All right, I hear that man.
Brian B (08:59):
I thought this was an interesting category, just
because this kind of relates toDJs right Best remix.
Joe Bunn (09:04):
Yeah.
Brian B (09:04):
So do you know these remix?
I know.
Joe Bunn (09:07):
Kaytranada well.
Brian B (09:08):
Do you play that Ghetto version of a bar song Ghetto?
Joe Bunn (09:11):
Yeah, I don't.
No, I play Scooter's version.
Brian B (09:13):
All right.
What about this version ofEspresso?
Have you heard this version?
Joe Bunn (09:16):
No, have you.
I love Mark Ronson, he'sgodlike, and then Op Piano.
Brian B (09:20):
so it's definitely.
Joe Bunn (09:21):
I'm Op Piano.
I don't know that song tough,I'm gonna say ghetto one
espresso mark ronson okay ron,which that's a great version
I've had a lot of people send methis version, that one I mean,
I just never have liked thatsong out of all of those sabrina
carpenter ones that's not forme okay, but I do like that
(09:41):
version of it.
Brian B (09:41):
It's a good version.
And dude, that guy's won howmany grammys now, geez, he's on
a roll.
I love mark you really can't gowrong, because he did the
barbies thing too right.
Joe Bunn (09:49):
He's a great DJ too.
Brian B (09:51):
Multi-talented Shout out Mark Ronson.
So what did you see at theGrammys?
Performance-wise or chatter, ifyou didn't see the performance,
does anything stand out?
Joe Bunn (09:59):
You know the controversy was the collection
by Beyonce.
Everybody was excited forKendrick.
I mean, he won an armful ofthem.
I saw Benson Boone that wasepic yeah where they ripped his
tux off and he had like ajumpsuit.
But, then, he got in troublefor grabbing his nuts or
something at the end.
Brian B (10:15):
Did he?
Joe Bunn (10:15):
Okay, I missed that yeah grabbed his sack right at
the end.
Wow, and that was, like youknow, network TV.
Yeah, you can't really, butthat stash he had he's always
got that stash.
Has he.
Brian B (10:27):
He came from American Idol.
Back then he didn't have thestache, so he's definitely grown
into that whole situation.
Joe Bunn (10:33):
Yeah, that whole 70s jumpsuit, poor stache mullet.
Brian B (10:37):
Alright, so because we're batching content.
Then there was the Super Bowl.
Joe Bunn (10:40):
Yes, there was, we were together at the Bun Crib.
Brian B (10:43):
So if you had to give it a grade A to F, what are we
going with?
Joe Bunn (10:49):
C plus what goes into the grade Song selection,
production, special guests,sound quality.
I have a feeling it playedterribly in person.
It played well on TV.
The way it was shot, the lightsthere were like a lot of lights
, almost like on the field.
Behind them Red, white and blueoutfits, samuel L Jackson, sza,
(11:11):
blah, blah, blah.
I mean it's got 10,000 deepermeanings, or either people are
saying that I feel like youprobably would have got more out
of it if you were black.
You want to speak on that,saquon Do?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
you want to speak for the entire community or no?
I mean, I would have gave it a,b.
Brian B (11:26):
That's where I was going with it.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I would have given it a, b because I agree it
probably didn't transfer as wellin person.
But I don't think that's whathe was trying to do, right, but
are there a lot of messages init.
Joe Bunn (11:37):
Or are we reading too deep into it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
No, no, no.
There's definitely a lot ofmessages.
Okay, it's too long to go intonow.
Joe Bunn (11:45):
No, I'm not saying I have a problem with that.
And then I guess at the end ofthe day, I'm c plus instead of b
, because I don't think, as amusic consumer and when I look
at all the other artists are outthere, other people that we're
talking about I don't think thecatalog is big enough for the
super bowl.
It's not a rihanna catalog Idon't agree.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Sure, catalog he could have did.
He could have did a lot ofother records.
I agree that you probablyforgot about listen.
Joe Bunn (12:08):
I'm not discounting that the guy has a good catalog.
But when I think about all thepeople that have done the Super
Bowl, the catalog is giant and Idon't feel like it's giant.
It's big, it's good.
I like Kendrick.
I'm not a Kendrick hater.
I don't ride around and listento Kendrick.
Brian B (12:24):
Well, when they announced this pick in September
, of last year.
I just wrote.
I thought this was aninteresting pick.
Joe Bunn (12:30):
Not good or bad, Not bad right Interesting I just
thought it was an interestingselection.
And then, of course, everybodywas upset because it wasn't
Wayne, it was.
Brian B (12:37):
New Orleans, but nobody does that.
Joe Bunn (12:39):
Nobody does that I mean just because it's in your
city, Right?
Brian B (12:46):
And they did all the as I was watching it.
I give it a, B, a strong.
Joe Bunn (12:49):
B.
Brian B (12:50):
Then when I went back and watched again, my grade went
up.
You're A, I'm in the A category, not A plus, but I'll give it
an A minus.
The chatter that I would hearis that it wasn't entertaining
enough or whatever, and I feellike sometimes that overshadows
the talent.
I'm a purist.
I want to hear the vocal.
I want to see that artistexpress their art.
However To I want to see likethat artist express their art.
However, right To me, he didthat.
(13:12):
He did his thing.
He.
That's who he is.
He's a storyteller.
He's going to, he's going forthe deeper meaning stuff.
Joe Bunn (13:16):
Okay, and it's not going to be for everybody.
Brian B (13:19):
I don't think he did.
Joe Bunn (13:21):
Oh.
Brian B (13:22):
I don't know about that but he he definitely did Check
the tape on that one.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I mean, he was not short, he was not.
Joe Bunn (13:30):
No.
Brian B (13:31):
That was crazy.
Joe Bunn (13:32):
No, he was ripping it yeah.
Brian B (13:38):
When I was watching it, the thought I had was this
feels like it's literally amusic video that's happening
right now.
Right, that's what I'm saying.
The way it was shot, yeah.
Joe Bunn (13:43):
That's what I'm saying .
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I saw to be like super hype, because I have a
feeling it played so much betteron TV.
I also think people were.
They didn't know what to expect, so that's why you didn't see a
whole lot of crowd involvementbecause it's like we don't know
what's going to go.
Joe Bunn (14:01):
What are we supposed to do?
What are?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
we supposed to do.
We're all waiting for that onesong.
First of all, right right.
Second of all, nobody like himhas really been at the Super
Bowl like that.
Joe Bunn (14:08):
really been at the Super Bowl like that.
It's like what is he going todo?
What's going to happen?
Let's just watch.
That's why I think the crowdwas kind of reserved a little
bit.
Brian B (14:18):
So two follow-up questions.
One do they keep this kind ofaccent?
Don't go as mainstream.
Let's put it that way Kendrickis becoming more and more
mainstream, but they usuallykind of go for the thing that's
going for more age ranges, widerdemographic.
Do you think that's going to goback to that because of this
performance, or do you thinkthey just keep trying to push
the envelope a little bit?
Joe Bunn (14:37):
I think both you have to go back and forth, not
necessarily every other year, isthis guy's not as you?
Know, there's a lot of artistsout there, man that could carry
it, or even packages of artists.
I mean, you could have packagedSabrina Charlie and Chapel Roan
and had a killer.
You know thing, People arealready screaming about Chris
Brown for next year.
Brian B (14:54):
I was just going to ask who do?
You think is on the who's onthe docket for next year?
Who do you think?
Any predictions?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I don't hate the Chris Brown thing.
I mean, chris Brown couldprobably go off, right, I ain't
going to lie.
Joe Bunn (15:06):
Like he was fine, I don't know.
I mean, we were talking aboutthat the other day.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
He definitely was, I mean everybody.
Hold on.
Let me say this Go ahead.
If Rihanna can forgive him, wecan offer you.
Brian B (15:17):
True story.
Okay.
Is that who you'd want?
Is that who you think?
Joe Bunn (15:20):
Who's left that you haven't?
Brian B (15:21):
seen that do.
The Super Bowl that you feellike deserves that honor.
Joe Bunn (15:24):
Has Coldplay done the Super?
Brian B (15:25):
Bowl on them and said that they were one of the worst
they've ever seen, if not theworst.
I was like, alright, soColdplay did it yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
As the Foo.
Joe Bunn (15:34):
Fighters.
Have they done it?
I don't think they have.
They would crush.
I'm trying to think of peoplethat are.
I'd watch Taylor.
Brian B (15:39):
Yeah, she don't need it .
I think this is more, it's notabout needing, but I think it
does.
Joe Bunn (15:43):
It's just a legacy Pete Did Michael, Michael
Jackson.
He was at the absolute pinnacle, Michael.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Jackson.
Michael Jackson can dance Well,we know she can't dance.
But that's what I'm saying.
She's not like.
Joe Bunn (15:56):
It's production, though she plays stadiums.
This is stadium shit.
This is what she does, bro, Meand you had this conversation in
the car the other day.
There are so few people, solike a stadium, do you think
80,000.
What about pink?
Yeah, pink would destroy, butshe's going to have to fly.
She's got to do the aerial shit, just like you did.
She did here.
You got to fly around, but shewas doing that at baseball
(16:18):
stadiums all summer.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You got to fly?
Yeah, you got to fly If you'veflown before you're going to fly
again.
Brian B (16:23):
So I thought Chapel Roan would be who I think should
be the next run by next SuperBowl will be unheard of.
Joe Bunn (16:29):
Not yet Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, you heard it here first.
I was about to say I don'tthink she's going to last bro.
Brian B (16:35):
She isn't Okay.
Joe Bunn (16:37):
I'm sorry.
I think her songwriting isinteresting though you can clip
this up for social.
But think about it.
I haven't played a ton of showsthis year.
We played Pink Pony Club theother night.
It sort of went off.
Brian B (16:48):
Yeah, but that crowd you were saying was not.
Joe Bunn (16:50):
It was kind of no they were, they were into it, okay.
Remember I was saying it wasgood other than the last 30
minutes, okay, okay, and then itfaltered well, we can move off
this I just wanted at least pinkpony club talk, the great talk,
the grade, all that kind ofstuff.
Brian B (17:02):
I said it.
I do have a travel hack for you.
You do, yeah, okay, and it'sfree to go on.
So I don't know if you knewthis, but since you are soon to
go abroad, yes, I am Right.
Where are you going?
Iceland and Paris, oui, oui,next week You're going to get a
little bit of a baguette, sure?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
A croissant.
Joe Bunn (17:19):
A croissant.
Brian B (17:21):
So one of the things that I hate when I go abroad is
the currency exchange.
Joe Bunn (17:25):
Yeah, like no one.
Brian B (17:25):
What's what Right you know, built it into the iPhone.
Now, stop it.
Yeah, so if you go to yourcalculator, okay, the bottom
here.
Okay, click on that.
Okay, convert button on thebottom, put that in there.
Look, it shows you whatever youwant?
Joe Bunn (17:40):
No way.
Brian B (17:41):
USD to euros.
So if I go $6, what are welooking at there?
Joe Bunn (17:43):
$5.80.
Brian B (17:44):
That quick Great fix.
You're going to Japan soon, Ithink.
Joe Bunn (17:47):
Yeah, me and Saquon say we're coming this summer,
right, and then a couple otherplaces you're headed, so I think
this could come in handy.
Brian B (17:53):
Wow, dude, don't need to look it up, don't need
internet connection, just openthe calculator app?
Joe Bunn (17:58):
No app, no, nothing, just the calculator app.
Yeah.
Brian B (18:01):
So if you ever want to turn, it off you just click
convert over and you're done,oops.
Joe Bunn (18:07):
Damn son.
Genius.
Just sharing, Sharing Free,that's a freebie.
Freebie for everybody listeningto the podcast.
Speaking of another freebie.
What do we got?
There is a freebie.
Use DJ Event Planner.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yes, our new sponsor.
Joe Bunn (18:19):
There's nothing free, yeah, but it is for whatever.
They charge.
A month is the best bang foryour buck.
Yeah, if you need a CRM, whichis a customer relationship
manager, to keep up with allyour leads and all of your
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plannercom.
(18:39):
Anyway, let's keep it moving.
Brian B (18:41):
Let me ask you one more .
Do we have a promo code forthis?
We need to get a promo code sowe can track these a little bit
better, don't you think?
Solid point Our boy, uh, richie.
Joe Bunn (18:48):
Stedman Dude.
Let me tell you something.
Number one, richie Stedman.
You know Richie Stedman inperson.
Do you know this guy?
Brian B (18:54):
I do.
I've met him many times.
Joe Bunn (18:56):
Great dude, number one podcast expert.
He literally is who started.
Brian B (19:01):
That's where I met him in person, I think is at the
podcasting conferences.
Joe Bunn (19:05):
I think you did.
Yeah, I know him, he, but hedoes a lot with podcasts.
He's who got Allenberg startedon his podcast, right, allenberg
would never have a podcastwithout Richie.
Brian B (19:13):
Stedman.
Joe Bunn (19:14):
Right.
Richie Stedman has helped meand Mike Walter with ours.
He's helped me and you withthis.
He's the one that put us onBuzzsprout for where we host our
podcast.
Let's give Richie freakingStedman his flowers and answer
his question.
Go on.
Brian B (19:28):
It's a two-parter he's going in.
What would you do to get readyto end or sell your business?
Number two what would you wantif you're on the other end of
the spectrum and a multi-op, ifyou were going to purchase, and
how would you value it?
I guess you want to start.
The first one is easy.
I think.
If you're getting ready to endit, you got to have clean books.
That's like clean books, clean,clean books, books and returns,
(19:48):
tax returns yeah, all of thatright.
have it be as functioningwithout you as possible in other
words where you don't have tobe the integral part of the
business that the person'spurchasing that without integral
.
Joe Bunn (20:00):
You say integral.
Brian B (20:02):
Integral is it?
Am I wrong?
I don't know.
Joe Bunn (20:04):
Yeah, I don't know somebody in the comments is
probably getting shit on, Isuppose one of us.
Brian B (20:08):
Yeah, go on um, but I feel like you got to take
yourself out of the equation.
So it can be something worthselling, because if it was like
joe bun, it doesn't have joe bunthere.
Right, it's still run and rightstill have the meaning of it
right behind it right, that'swhat I would think, if you were
doing just part one of thisquestion, how would you answer
this?
Joe Bunn (20:24):
man, I think it's a super tough sell period, whether
my company name is bun djcompany, orate the World
Entertainment, you know whatRichie's is right Best DJ in
Utah.
Brian B (20:34):
Which is epic.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Maybe his is worth a fortune.
It could be.
Joe Bunn (20:38):
He's got that URL too, I think.
Brian B (20:40):
Yeah, he does Like bestdjinutahcom, he does yeah.
Joe Bunn (20:43):
I just think it's tough to sell a multi-op unless
you have a building.
But then who wants the buildingRight, wants the building right
, right, like?
In other words, you have noassets.
Everything in that closet rightthere beside you is worthless
now right, even if it's brandnew.
It's worthless, depreciated theday that I bought it.
The employees are not employeeshere, they're 1099, they're
subcontractors.
They have the ability to leave.
(21:03):
I'm gonna leave as the owner.
Maybe I stick around for a year.
Maybe that's worth something.
Vehicles are paid for, but it'sliterally a van, van.
You know what I mean.
I think it's a very tough sell.
I mean I'm not trying to be anegative.
Will somebody maybe give you 50grand for it, for the contracts
you have on the books and a fewsets of speakers, maybe, but I
(21:24):
mean I don't think it's going tobe something you can retire and
live off this legacy money ever, even with our company that's a
seven-figure company, I guess.
Number two what would I lookfor?
I mean you probably would haveto have, like a warehouse, you
know, some sort of real estateto come along with it or a
production thing or a huge bookof business.
(21:44):
Maybe you have, you know, kindof like those guys up in New
York, jeffrey Craig and them,where they've got like the New
York Giants are a client, maybethey're even on a retainer or
something like you're going tohave to have some package that
is so unmistakable or soundeniable that I've got to have
this Like if I want to keepdoing it.
But at the end of the day, man,for me I don't think there's a
(22:06):
reason to ever sell the business.
I'm not going to DJ forever.
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to DJ forever.
I might not DJ past 2026, whereI've got shows booked.
Right now I'll be 55.
Maybe I'll just run thebusiness, maybe I'll just become
kind of like an agent.
The goal for me and that's why Ipush so hard on the people that
are single ops is to thinkabout the future.
You don't want to play 100shows a year.
(22:27):
You want your people to play400, 500, 500, a thousand shows
a year and you want to be at thebeach chilling.
That is the move, that's thedream, that is where the money's
at.
I don't want to play forever.
I love it, but I don't.
I just know I'm not going toplay forever.
To me it's not a sellablebusiness, nor do I want to,
because it can go on forever.
Brian B (22:53):
As long as you keep the pipeline full, keep djs.
It can go forever, dude.
Yeah, I was just gonna add tothis that go on.
If I was going to buy abusiness that was a dj company I
would want to see and this israre to see but if you have
anybody that has contracts withlong-term, like um reoccurring
billing right like the one thatyou have with the av stuff
you're about to do for that onevenue right, and you had a
contract in place.
Joe Bunn (23:10):
It said for the year it's going to be a hundred
thousand dollars every month atthe toyota dealership right, or
some ribbon cutting or newvehicle launch, or whatever, or
if I could see a consistentpattern with holiday parties.
Brian B (23:22):
Yeah, like every year, these you can pay a game.
Yes, lenovo yeah, whatever captrust and that doesn't happen
very often most people are doingone-offs right, especially in
our world of private events,with weddings specifically, so
like it would be tough toevaluate that because it could
be gone tomorrow.
That relationship, you don'tknow how it was started.
It could have been just withthe owner, who knows.
(23:42):
There's a lot of differentthings there.
There's so much turnover incorporate Right.
The other thing I would say toosay too, if you were even
looking into this, this iscoming from somebody who
actually had someone buy abusiness recently.
It's in the event space, not DJbusiness, but this is with
rentals and one of the thingsthat we had to make sure of was
that any deposit taken is goinginto a holding account, because
(24:03):
what was happening was the ownerwho was selling was going to
take that money.
You still got to pay out allthe people and now you got no
profits because you basicallyit's all gone.
Joe Bunn (24:16):
So if you're buying that business, have that
structured in there of like whathappens to the deposit money,
because if you don't, it's notyours.
By the way, people right, it'sthe business.
That's right.
Right, that's right.
Brian B (24:22):
So it's important to kind of know how you're going to
play that and that it'scontractually obligated of like
what happens there, cause youcould be on the hook for all of
it and have no money.
They've paid their balances andthey take, they wipe out the
bank account and all of a suddenyou got nothing, nothing just
you know you're you're owing, soI gotta be really careful with
that stuff I'm trying to be morecognizant in this episode.
Joe Bunn (24:39):
Apparently, like last episode or the one before, I
kept like you were talking and Ikept going.
Did you see that?
Brian B (24:45):
comment.
I did see that.
Joe Bunn (24:47):
Yeah, dick um, so anyway, I'm trying not to do
that.
I hope I haven't been doingthat I'm trying to talk over you
that was the comment I got yesthe critics critics man
damn, we're trying to give goodvalue here and just people would
just love the dookie on me andyou.
Anyway, good episode, bro.
That's all I got.
That's all I got, hopefully Ihelped you guys, yeah yeah,
(25:09):
thanks, richie and everybody.
Thanks for watching.
We're just picking on y'all.
We love you guys.
Thanks for watching.
I hope you're learning a littlesomething being entertained
every week, and every Wednesdaymorning you can look for the
video version and the podcastcome out wherever you stream.
Thanks y'all.
Later you.
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