BTE3.18 It's Time for the Mailbag! with Lane Moss and Brittany Shoemake

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello, this is Brad Warren and you are listening to
Beyond the Event, a youthministry podcast presented by
Christ in Youth, where we helpyou maintain momentum between
the mountaintops.
It is.
This is bittersweet.
It's our last episode of seasonthree of Beyond the Event.

(00:26):
I cannot believe how fun thishas been.
I really, really love gettingto hang out with you guys in
this format.
It's so much fun and today willbe no different.
But I do want to tell you,before I get into what today's
episode is about, that we are sopumped to see you at move and a
mix and on engaged trips thissummer I'm going to be out all

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over the place.
I'm going to be at mixedTennessee and Florida and move
Ohio three and move Tennesseefive and move Tennessee six and
move Maryland, and if you'regoing to be there, I can't.
I, I am so pumped to see you,so pumped to see you.
But it does mean we have totake a break from the podcast.
So, before we let you go forthe summer, have a couple of

(01:11):
conversations that I want youguys to get to uh, listen in on.
One is with Lane Moss, abouthow we try to take care of youth
pastors outside of the contextof our events, and one is with
Brittany Shubink.
Brittany is a legend of thegame here at COI.
She's been here a long time,has worked on the Engage team

(01:33):
her entire time here and is justa really wise, fun person to be
around.
So we'll get to hear from herlater, but first let's hear from
Lane Moss, which, likearchetype of passenger, would

(02:08):
you be on a hijacked airplane.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Oh man, good question .
You know, I think that we allthink we know.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, and we all think that we're the guy who,
like, tackles the guy with thegun Right.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
For sure I'm like, yeah, that I'm.
I'm constantly in a state of Ithink this is about to happen
and I think I'm going to have tointervene.
So I have a very good plan, butthat's not from a, but that's
not from like a.
I don't live in anxiety aboutit.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe it's just a fantasy, Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
You know what I mean.
I don't live in anxiety, I livein anticipation.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's like, it's like you know yeah, I don't know what
it is oh yeah, I would be theguy who cowers in fear the whole
time.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I I think that in, uh, fight orflight situations I tend to be
fight.
I think, um, but I don't know,because I've also never been in

(03:10):
a fight.
I was in a fight inkindergarten.
Did you win?
I did punch to get in the nose.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Nice, sorry, michael he had it coming.
Yeah, no, he probably did not.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Not you Michael, not you Michael.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Not producer Paykel.
Now everyone knows I'm a cowardand that I punched a kid in
kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I also was in kindergarten.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I didn't punch a kindergartner.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I feel like that's important.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
That's an important note.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
That is an important note.
Well, that's enough chit chat.
Yep, I have a bone to pick withyou.
Oh man.
Well, you know, I don't knowthat you deserve this if I'm
being honest, but I have.
I, brad Warren, have somecatharsis.
That needs to happen.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, well, let's get it off your chest.
Buddy, you need to lay down.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
No, okay, I might need to stand up, so here at
Christ in Youth the place wherewe both work.
There are two experiences thateverybody loves and loves to
talk about and loves to lookforward to, and youth pastors

(04:24):
who come to these twoexperiences are like oh, this is
the best thing that CIY does.
Oh, my gosh, this is great.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
These two experiences are what Reg day and staff fun
day.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Wrong.
Wilderness and YMS is the rightanswer.
Um, and I've never been invitedto either that's not true.
No, no one has ever asked me toparticipate in wilderness or
yms, and now I'm being asked tocome on a podcast that I created

(04:58):
and promote these two events.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, explain this to me, okay?
Well, I would love to.
First of all, when you were ayouth pastor, you were very much
invited to come to both ofthese things.
Not YMS, that's true.
That's true.
That's been a shift inphilosophy over the last couple
of years.
Now, who asked you to promotethese things on the podcast?
Not me.
This was your idea.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, are, it was my idea.
Yeah, you're the podcastmastermind.
Um, yeah, I just can you let mecome, sure man.
Yeah, come on.
Great, I wanted it on thepublic record okay and uh also
want to take a minute to talkabout why everybody loves
wilderness and yms oh, I'd loveto you, uh you.

(05:45):
Your rhythm is to attend bothof these events every year,
right yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
that's correct.
But both of these things fall,technically fall under my
purview alongside move Nice.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
So yeah, so I go to both of them every year, which
they're very differentexperiences.
Yep, very, as I have been told,because I've never experienced
either one Very differentexperiences.
Yep, very, as I have been told,because I've never experienced
either one Very differentexperiences.
There are a lot of people thatare like I'm a wilderness guy or
I'm a YMS gal and you know kindof different crowds.
Which one speaks more to?
Lane Moss.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Man, I honestly don't really know, so no, hang on
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
So Hop out, you're going to do the cop like oh no
one picks their favorite kid.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
No, let me give it, let me like.
I'll frame it like this Okay,I'm more of a mountains guy than
a beach guy.
Okay, I love that.
That says nothing for my loveof the beach.
I love the beach so much.
That speaks to just how much Ilove the mountains.
And so, generally, mountainsare just, I mean, they just feel
very, very sacred to me.

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Just like being in themountains, I just like I feel
like the.
You know, the veil is thin, asit were, for me, and so for that
reason I'm inclined to saywilderness.
And because it is just,wilderness is more focused kind
of on and I don't want to jumpahead too far, I don't know what
you're planning on getting intobut wilderness is a little bit
more focused on spiritualformation.

(07:11):
Um and uh.
Yms is more focused on kind oflike nuts and bolts of youth
ministry, networking, that kindof thing.
That said they both very much,um, you know, scratch the itch
for me, that is just beingaround lots of youth pastors and
like-minded people, people thatare serving the church, and

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because we do a lot of that atboth of those events and again,
and one of them is in themountains in October in the
Rockies, the other one is in SanDiego, at the beach in january.
Like you can't beat either ofthose things you know, and so,
um, if I would, you know,probably I, you know, I'm
inclined to say wilderness maybebut let's talk about wilderness

(07:55):
.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Okay, great, um, since it's your favorite and
you'd hate yms, um, just kidding.
Uh, wilderness.
What's a great wilderness story?
Tell me a good wilderness storyoh man got lots of good
memories, I'm sure, yeah, of flyfishing and and interesting
things that people have done atwilderness, which totally

(08:16):
wilderness, is like a very umfor people who haven't been very
under programmed, very likethere are five things on the
schedule every day and three ofthem are meals right it's like
um, it's a time for you to getout in nature and experience God
along other people who can, youknow, help, kind of mentor you
and guide you and walk alongsideyou and whatever.

(08:38):
So, anyway, all that to say so.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So there's is it's very much um, it is very low-key
, um.
There's a lot of time builtinto the schedule for you to go
out and and read through, likewe do program um, what we're
going through every week and orum, during the week of
wilderness, and so we give youthings to journal through,
things, that kind of stuff.

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With wilderness we refresh thesoul, rejuvenate the spirit.
That's what we say.
So it is a time for Sabbath,it's a time I've never, heard
that before.
Yeah, have you not?
No, because you've never beento wilderness, right Interesting
?
Yeah, well, it's on thepostcard, brad, so I'll put one

(09:27):
in your mailbox this year.
Thank you, uh, so, so that isso.
Wilderness is incredible inthat way.
Um, just it's, it's phenomenal,and um, uh, every year we get
stories of people, we, weliterally get emails, um and
stuff from wilderness attendees,from their like, from spouses,
expressing just likeappreciation for what it has
done for you know.
So I could tell stories likethat, I could tell all kinds of

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other things, but a couple ofyears ago, um, we ran into a
situation where we were, we've,we've recently moved locations,
um, wilderness locations used tobe at a place called bear trap
ranch, great place Um up by kindof Colorado Springs which the
only reason, the only reason theonly reason that we moved is

(10:09):
because we outgrew it.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, it was capacity , yeah totally Um, and we, and,
and we're not looking to justlike.
You know it's not.
It's one of the things wherethe goal is not to make it huge,
but certainly we want to beable to adequately serve the
people that are attending and so, um, so we.
So a couple of years ago wewere there and, and in the week
leading up to us being there,there was a.

(10:34):
There was an issue with one ofthe main lodges where we house
people and they had to shut itdown.
They had to take it offline forthat week.
Not good, um, and getting up anddown the mountain is not
ideally something that you woulddo every day, you know, so
housing people off-site isn't agreat option.
So we made the decision tooffer the choice for any of the

(10:57):
people on our staff that werethere to stay in tents for that
week.
Yeah, it was amazing to stay intents for that week.
Yeah, it was amazing to stay intents and then, so that way, we
can give up some of our bedsand some of our lodging and
stuff for some attendees.
It worked out great, but italso happened to like snow that
week, which isn't super commonat wilderness.

(11:19):
It is a little bit.
It's typically like the firstor second week in October, so
you just kind of never reallyknow how early the snow is going
to come in.
It did snow, but we were intents, um, which was amazing,
and michael eves um, hold onbefore we get to michael.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Sure how you were, you in a tent I was.
Okay, uh, by yourself.
No, okay, how big of a tent, uhit was a decent size tent
Pretty good size tent.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, not a tiny tent , it was like a rated for like a
.
And it was rated.
It was like a really nice tent.
It was rated for like a I don'twant to say Arctic expedition,
but certainly like cold weather.
You know and we got and we hadthe sleeping bags for it and
stuff like you know zero degree.

(12:07):
Who was in your tent?
Me and caleb deroyne and benplatt sick, okay, yes, uh,
sleeping head to toe like in acircle, basically amazing.
So we weren't able to lay sideby side.
We literally like we slept in acircle, uh, head to toe.
It was amazing I love that somuch yeah, it was okay, well, so
, um, so one in the middle ofthe night, michael Eves woke up
in his tent.
He was in a tent by himself andwoke up in his tent to a buddy

(12:31):
in his tent with him, um, andthat that buddy was a skunk.
Oh no, that had been hangingout, um, kind of around the
grounds.
We'd kind of seen it around thegrounds a little bit, you know,
um, and so he woke up and therewas just a skunk in his tent,
just kind of hanging out androoting around and just chilling
looking around for some stuff.
And you know eves, if you knoweves, you know he lives up in

(12:53):
colorado, he helps us, he's oneof our facilitator mentors every
year up at wilderness and andhe was just kind of he was going
well, you know, uh, neither ofus wanted to be in there with
somebody else.
He's like, so I could.
You know, uh, neither of uswanted to be in there with
somebody else.
He's like, so I could, you know, make a situation worse?
Or I could just kind of like,let it take its course.
And it took its course, andeventually the guy he just kind
of left and yeah, because I mean, if you make any kind of

(13:14):
commotion, it's like it's badnews, yeah pretending to be dead
, essentially until this skunkdecides on its own time that it
is going to leave your tentTotally and that's, and it is
and that's.
That's super rare.
It's not a we, we don't camp.
Wilderness is not camping.

(13:34):
So if anybody has in your mindthat like we're camping at
wilderness or like we'reroughing it or something like
that, or that this is somethingthat could happen to you.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's a we, a we we're at, like we're at beautiful, or
a place called spring canyon.
Right now, look it up, it'soutside bunavista and it is
absolutely stunning.
Um, and just like great lodging, great food, the whole thing.
But, um, yeah, but it was uhhow did that happen I?
Don't know man.

(14:02):
I don't know how like man, Idon't know how squirrely skunks
are, I don't know how theysqueeze into places, or whatever
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Did he not zip up his tent?
Was his tent sealed in any kindof I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I don't know, I can't speak to that.
I'm sure it was to some degree,but that's that.
Same week I came back withCOVID.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Having stayed in a tent with Caleb and Ben.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
And then driven back 12 hours in a van together, yeah
right.
And then to find out that youhave the coronavirus.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
That's right, not great.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Okay, one more story, let's do one more story.
Can we get a more impactfulkind of story?
You know?
Yeah is there a time that beingat wilderness has, uh,
ministered to you in a in aunique way, or you know a story
of somebody else being up there?
We don't share names, anythinglike that, but I just want to

(14:59):
know like, okay, what is a reallife impact of this event on a
person?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Sure.
So yeah, without, without,without sharing names.
So there there's a, there's ayouth pastor that has you know
that I met at wilderness.
Didn't didn't know himbeforehand, but met him at

(15:27):
Wilderness.
He was in my small group outthere several years ago and what
we try to do at Wilderness is,at the end of every night you're
in a small group and the ideais that the person leading your
small group has been in ministryfor five to 10 years at least

(15:49):
longer than you have, so they'reable to just kind of like to
mentor and talk through somekind of different kind of
situations and stuff and as itrelates to life and work and
family and whatever else.
So just as we got to you know,as we got to talking, that the
this particular person was justin an absolutely devastating

(16:15):
ministry situation, Um, didn'tfeel any kind of support
whatsoever, uh, from the church,from the pastor that he was
working with, from elders, wasnot enjoying fulfilling his
calling right, and was really onit, really had a foot out the

(16:36):
door, to say the least.
And I don't know if wildernesswas a last ditch effort for him
to go like.
Well, maybe there's one morething.
I don't think it was, honestly,I think it was just like I'm
just going to get away.
I just need to be away Um but,uh, but also that, in turn, was
having a horrible effect on hisfamily as well.
Um had one young kid at thetime and um and was married, and

(17:00):
marriage was just, was justkind of a shambles at the time
as well.
Just, you know, unfulfilled atwork leads to unfulfilled at
home, you know, leads to, youknow, not, no, no energy at home
, this kind of thing, um, and sothat year, uh, um, at
wilderness we had been.

(17:21):
We had been in Philippians, Ibelieve, and it was just a
matter of, for the first time inhis life, or at least in his
ministry life and he hadn't beenin ministry for too long, six
or seven years and for the firsttime in his ministry career,
though, he was able to say someof those things in a space that

(17:45):
was safe, but also in a spacewhere people were able to to
hear, you know, from kind of a30,000 foot view from outside
the trees, as it were, and ableto speak some truth to him as
well, and that.
And then, and then pray for him.
We laid hands on him, we prayedfor him, and and then, at the
end of the week, we have a timewhere he just felt safe to do.

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It felt like he could be heardwell and then able to receive

(18:28):
some of those things as well.
And we're able to give him somekind of practical challenges of
like, hey, try A, b, c and theyweren't silver bullets, right,
those things.
They're not silver bullets, buthe was able to recognize some
things in his own life as wellwhere he hasn't maybe been a
team player and hasn't been, youknow, and take on some
challenges and then institutesome rhythms, some healthy

(18:51):
spiritual formation rhythms,some healthy marriage rhythms
and things like that in his life.
And I'm telling you when I,when I tell you that this guy's
entire ministry and life hasbeen dramatically changed you
know, 180 because of not justthat week but other things that

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God had been doing in his lifeand everything else.
But I really do, and he does,and I know for a fact that he
attributes a lot of that turningpoint to what?
How the Lord spoke to him atwilderness.
And again, this isn't likepatting us on the back or
anything like that, this is justit's.
It's how we were designed.
We're designed to get away, tospend time in the word, with the

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Lord, in prayer, listening, andso much of it is just listening
, you know, um, and when we'reable to do that, it's.
You know, we as youth pastors,right, we do it.
We take our kids on these tripsbecause we believe in it.
We believe on getting peopleaway, you know, and like that's
something that we believe in,but then, all of a sudden, we
graduate high school and it'slike, oh, I don't need that
anymore.
You know, it's like we outgrowthe need for getting away and

(19:58):
listening to what the Lord hasfor us.
No, we don't, no, we don't, wedon't.
And so and so wilderness isdesigned to do that for the, for
the youth pastor as well.
And and I mean that's a, thatis I, that is a specific
instance that I have in my mind,but it's also a generic.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, there are a lot of those stories.
Oh my gosh, like honestly, I'mlistening to it and I know of
several men and women who youcould be talking about
Absolutely.
I know of more than that,absolutely, yeah, which is kind
of funny, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
But which rocks.
And I am that guy for cryingout loud.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
I am too.
It's amazing the amount ofthings that the Lord has
revealed to me just while I'msitting on the side of a
mountain with scripture open andyou know, and just listening,
and sitting in a hammock orwhatever else.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
So, okay, that's incredible andyour Instagram will be fire.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
And your Instagram will be fire, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, You'll, yeah, It'll be just amazing.
So, no, that's a reallyencouraging story.
Thank you for sharing.
I do want to jump over.
So if wilderness is somethingthat ministers, uh, primarily to
your spirit with, sowillingness is like it's a
little bit more spiritualformation.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
You know, we say refresh the soul, rejuvenate the
spirit.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
That's the second time I've heard that today it is
, and in my entire life, and inyour entire life.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, ymss, we say you know.
With YMSs, we say, fall back inlove with what you do and how
you do it.
So it really is more likenetworking nuts and bolts of
youth ministry what's workingfor you?
Here's something that we'rehaving a hard time making work
in our ministry let's hear fromother youth workers.
This is what Gen Z or Gen Alphanow is.

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Here's some hot topics withthem and some ways that they're
learning well or some thingsthat we can learn from them.
And so, yeah, it really is morelike networking nuts and bolts,
surfboards and tacos.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Networking, nuts and bolts, surfboards and tacos.
That's YMS.
I remember you telling a storyI don't I think it was in an
adult leader meeting, maybe hereat our joboplin week, and you
were telling a story about YMSwhere, like a youth pastor
raised their hand during someworkshop or something and was

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saying like yeah, our youthgroup is reaching a ton of girls
and we cannot get guys to showup to our ministry.
Like that's kind of our biggeststruggle right now is it's very
one-sided, like femaleseverywhere, dudes nowhere.
And then another person raisestheir hand and shares like oh my
gosh, I'm having the exactopposite problem.

(22:53):
Like I have so many dudes thatare showing up to my ministry
and cannot get girls to show upat all.
And you're like sick, you twoare getting lunch together, yeah
totally.
It's a lot of that kind of thing.
It is that's what YMS is.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, so, so YMS, we also have groups at the end of
the night, right, and so,whereas wilderness they're more
like we're going to get to, atwilderness we don't even let you
say the name of your church forthe first 24 hours.
Yeah, you know, yms is verydifferent.
So at the at the end of the day, at YMS we're in groups and we
just, and we just, we don'tassign them, we just say hey, if
you want to talk, you know,maybe high school ministry, go

(23:31):
jump in with this group.
If you want to talk to middleschool ministry, if you want to
talk children's ministry,worship arts, you know that,
that kind of thing, um and so,and so it no-transcript.
This is going great On this.

(23:53):
You know, blue post-it note,write down something that were
like an area of frustration inyour ministry where you're
struggling.
So we just had everybody justkind of write some down and then
go put them on the wall, allthe blue ones over here, all the
green ones over here, and thenyou know, we were just kind of
able to go to it and we and thenkind of arrange them by
category, like we're getting alot of.
You know, people are frustratedwith their small groups and
they're you know, and so we'rekind of arranging those together

(24:15):
and clumping them up so we cansee that like you know it then.
So, but what we're able to dois go, hey, this person, there's
a lot of people that arestruggling here with small
groups, but over here there'sanother, there's a green post
that said somebody that sayssmall groups are killing it in
their, in their ministry rightnow.
They're just loving their smallgroups right now.

(24:36):
Who wrote these?
You know, do like I wrote this,I wrote this Perfect.
And so we might say like, hey,and you know, for we might talk
about it for three to fiveminutes, about like what's going
so well, tell us about that.
Or like what's frustrating,tell us about that.
And then, but really, whatwe're trying to do too is say,
now you've got your, now you'vegot your breakfast date tomorrow
morning right Now, you know whoyou're getting tacos with,
because you're gonna talk and,and, and, really, um.

(24:58):
So here's a, here's a.
Here's a really practicalexample.
So Tyler Lane right, you passedher up in Spokane, washington,
he was.
He was on this very show.
Look at, I mean, come on, yeah,no, wait, I'm not following him
directly, am I?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
You are not.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Oh gosh, that would have been terrifying.
He he was.
They were struggling.
I think it was small groups ifI was doing.
Youth ministry has shifted rolesa little bit but is still down
at Compass, down in DFW area,dallas area.
They got connected at YMS overthat, struggling with small

(25:35):
groups.
Small groups are going reallywell, got connected and just
kind of their teams stayed intouch over the course of the
year and Tyler was trying toinstitute some stuff with their
or implement some stuff withtheir or implement some stuff
with their small groups that hewas just having trouble with.
That Lori's youth groups weredoing.
They were doing very well, theywere succeeding in that area

(25:55):
and so they were able just tothat became a resource for them,
for their teams, to just toreach out to that team at down
in Dallas and say, okay, we'rerunning into this roadblock, how
did you clear it?
They cleared it and Tyler hassaid that was the biggest kind
of turnaround year for SmallGroups in their life, not
because YMS specifically, butbecause the relationships that

(26:18):
were ongoing after that, theresources, the across the
country relationships that wereable to be developed and that
where they were able to bounceideas back and forth off of each
other and everything else.
That really is the heart of YMS.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, and I know it's not just like youth pastors get
to kind of interact with youthpastors.
I've I've heard cause I'venever been, but I've heard other
people talk about that Um Like,we bring in all these super
high caliber speakers andpresenters, right, and then
you're in a room listening tothem, give them give their talk,

(26:53):
and there's like 120 people inthe room or whatever, and then
you have this incredible accessto these people to be able to
interact with them, pick theirbrains, follow up on the issues
that they talk about in theirlectures or whatever, and that
there's a lot of uh networkingthat can happen in those ways as
well.
So, um like, who are some ofthe people?

(27:14):
I've never been to YMS?
So who are some of the peoplethat, um, that we've had come
through the doors down there?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean and and it, and you're right, um, you're
right that you've never been toYMS but also you're right that
um, that, uh, it's, uh, it'salso, it's also very under
programmed, so similar towilderness in some ways, where,
um, there's a few more things onthe schedule with YMS, but it's
, but it's zero production value, I mean none.
You know, we bought like acouple hundred dollar projector

(27:42):
from Best Buy a couple of yearsago.
We use that and we don't evenuse it for most of the sessions,
you know.
I mean, you know, cause it is,it is low key, it's very
informal it's and it's reallyreally great in that way.
And so so we've had, you know,megan Fate Marshman is just a
Titan in youth ministry and it'sgreat to hear from her.
She's always so encouraging andjust contagious in her.
She's always so encouraging andjust contagious in her love for

(28:06):
youth ministry and she hasexperienced life peaks and
valleys and so it's cool to hearher talk about ministering out
of both of those things.
Bob Goff we've had him at YMSjust talking about how to love
people.
Well, preston Sprinkle we'vehad him come talk about LGBTQ
issues within youth ministry andgender issues within youth

(28:27):
ministry, how to effectivelypastor students that are
wrestling in those areas, areawho we just had out this past
year did a killer job talkingabout you know, mental health

(28:48):
and what that looks like withstudents.
In a way that was just reallyreally I want to be careful we
don't got to get too far intothis, but in a way that was very
refreshing.
Yeah, it was very refreshing tohear the way jordan talked
about that.
He does, he's a, he's atherapist.
Does um does therapy and traumatherapy and stuff for students
specifically in, like,underserved school districts.
Yeah, um also writes youth uhcurriculum and everything
Reframe youth um is kind of hisis his thing.

(29:09):
Does a killer job with thatkind of stuff.
Um man, I'm trying to think youknow, I mean yeah, that's great
.
You know, like so many, uh man,heather fleece just.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I mean you want, you want, you want to fall more in
love with you Also, Also a gueston this show at one point, yeah
, let's go Listen.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Two things If you want to get the kind of hug that
will adjust your spine andadjust your rib cage, then
Heather's the one.
And also if you want to justfall more in love with youth
ministry, yeah, totally.
Spend some time with others.
It is absolutely contagious.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
You're 100% right and yeah, I just wanted to create
an opportunity.
I know I joke about my own chipon my shoulder.
I have about wilderness and YMS, but even having not been, I
truly believe in both of thoseprograms and the stories that
I've heard come out of them.
It's something that we wantyouth ministers to have the

(30:08):
opportunity to experience,because we have seen God show up
and do incredible things at atthese events.
And here's the deal Listener,friend, registration for
wilderness is open.
If you want to come towilderness, you can register for
Wilderness is open.
If you want to come toWilderness, you can register for

(30:28):
Wilderness right now.
I don't know about YMS, just soyou know.
Right now it is the end of May,pretend that it's.
Memorial.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Day.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Happy Memorial Day.
Enjoy your cookout everybody.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's actually in this life, it's.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
April 10th Happy Memorial Day.
Enjoy your cookout, everybody.
It's actually in this life it'sApril 10th, Right?

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, yms registration opens September 1,
officially September 1.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yep, so a little bit before our program registrations
open.
But yeah, you can get pluggedinto Wilderness right now.
That happens in October.
You can get plugged into YMS inSeptember for the conference,
that happens in January.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
At the very last week of January is when that happens
, and I'll say this too YMS hasbeen.
One of the things that we havefound to be sweet about YMS is
that that is an event whereteams are finding it very
beneficial to bring teams, sothey bring more than one, more
than one person.
Now, if it's just if you arethe team, that's great.
Like just you know, by all meansregister and come bring your

(31:29):
team you know, but there's alsobeen people that have brought a
couple of key volunteers to YMS.
Yms is great for that.
If you've got some volunteersthat you want to invest in that
have been important to yourministry, yms is great for that.
Also, though maybe your youthministry team is bigger than
just you Maybe it's two or threeof you, maybe it's 14 of you or
whatever it is Then want toencourage you to bring those two

(31:50):
.
It's also YMS is a space.
Youth ministry summit can be alittle bit deceiving.
It's also for, like, children'spastors as well.
So, preteen pastors, middleschool pastors, high school

(32:10):
pastors, your teams, admins,oversight, everybody.
It's actually been a reallygood place for you because
you're getting so many ideasthat then and you're able to
kind of split off and go talk todifferent people and then get
back together and go oh man,what are you learning?
How could we do this?
It's a great space for thatkind of thing as well.
It's actually been really sweet.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, that's cool and I'm imagining, you know from my
youth ministry days just youlatch onto a really good idea
and the value of not having tocast that vision to the rest of
your team because they'vealready got it, like you don't
have to spend all of thatrelational capital like getting

(32:44):
people on board because theywere there and they heard it too
and they're excited and pumped.
Um, now obviously there's othervision casting that's going to
have to happen, but, um, I thinksaving that step is not nothing
you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Um, it's, it's it.
Here's the deal with, like YMSand wilderness.
Both is that I, when I was, youknow, and when I was in youth
ministry full-time, I went tothese conferences.
That were good conferences andwe had worship services at these
conferences and it was greatand we were around thousands and
thousands of youth pastors andchurch leaders and everything
else.
And then we'd get a keynotefrom, like, the CEO of Burberry

(33:19):
or something like that, and itwas a good leadership talk and
Lord knows, I filled my moleskinright up.
And just, you know, went, wentthrough pens and everything else
and and then got and but Ialways had this frustration of I
would get back to my office inTulsa, oklahoma, and I would go.
I don't know how to apply this Idon't know how to apply this to

(33:42):
my to my youth ministry of 30,40 kids you know in this, in the
place and staff where I'm atand everything else, and you
know, and not that it's notapplicable, not that it's not
good, it is good, those aregreat.
So I'm not bagging on thosethings.
But what we wanted was a spaceto hear from people who are in
youth ministry day-to-day andnot just, like you know, in in

(34:03):
in youth ministry all over thecountry and all kinds of
different church sizes andcontext.
Um, you know, real youthministry talk man.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Real youth ministry talk.
Speaking of real youth ministrytalk, lane.
Uh, it's time for the mailbag.
I don't know how much we'regoing to get to, but, um, this
has been a.
I'm going to just say this hasbeen a long interview.
Oh sorry, time flies whenyou're having fun, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
There was a janitor at my school when I was growing
up that always said time's funwhen you're having flies.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Tom Beatty Love him, I love it.
That made me glitch a littlebit.
I'm not going to lie.
I don't know if I could evensay that.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Time's fun when you're having flies actually
sounds like a thing that Paykelwould say, Speaking of Paykel
Paykel.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Hey guys, you're going to have to show Michael a
little bit of grace, okay, onthis episode of Beyond the Event
, because Michael is a werewolfand we had a full moon last
night and he is still in kind ofthe recovery process, so the

(35:06):
silence you're experiencing nowis him turning off his mic so he
can.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Actually, we had a waxing crescent last night, oh,
okay.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Waxing crescent, not to be confused with waning
gibbous.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Why do you know so much about the moon, Michael?

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Because I looked up what phase the moon was in on
the day of the total solareclipse oh nice, which was two
days ago.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
It was Waning gibbous , and it was a new moon.
On that day we're datingourselves.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
W.
Waning gibbous is my new bandname.
Waning gibbous, anyway.
Uh, time's fun when you'rehaving flies is something I
would say.
Yeah, 100, yeah, no doubt aboutit, guys.
We just have a delightful setof questions from michelle cruz,
who sent in a real physicalletter from Reno, which is, in
fact, the biggest little city inthe world.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
That's funny because when she was on the episode she
couldn't remember the slogan.
She was like it's the biggestlittle, or the smallest the
largest.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, now we know what is it.
It is the biggest little cityin the world.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
The biggest little city in the world.
And she sent us mail, which isa delight.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, that's a very little city thing to do.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
And you know what Big cities can learn a thing or two
100% From Michelle Cruz.
From Michelle Cruz.
Okay, michelle has a questionthat Lane, I think you would be
great at answering.
Oh good, what's the biggest,funniest oops you've ever had
happen at an event or on stage?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
biggest funniest I mean we've had.
Like mcs fall off stage and getlike like in the middle of a
morning show, like actually justfall off stage and be very
concussed and that's, you knownot.
That's not funny.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
I just laughed into my mic Did you hear the like
that was so phlegmy anddisgusting.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
So that's so.
That's not funny.
That's a bad thing thathappened.
Well, not the laugh, justspecifically when you know when
I'm concussed.
Concussions not what you want,not what you want Also and I
don't think he'd mind me tellingthis, and if he would, we'll
just cut it out.
So, 2014 in Michigan.
This is not like the biggestfunniest oops, but it was, but

(37:29):
it was funny.
So Jason French, I've heard ofhim yeah, wonderful speaker,
love it whenever he speaks atMove and just always feel like
he's heard from the Lord and iscommunicating that faithfully
and passionately.
So he's sitting there and it'sa specific message where he's

(37:51):
sitting on a chair, because he'sgot a ton of different pairs of
shoes that he's taking off andputting on throughout the course
of the message.
If you know, if you've seenJason preach, you know that he
likes to preach with props andlikes to provide some visual
images for you to kind of likelatch onto in a really effective
and good way.
So he's sitting on a chair likea fold out you know, a folding

(38:12):
metal chair for the duration ofthis message, and we've got him
eye-magged up on the up on thescreens uh listener.
That means that he is uh beingshot on a camera and that that
feed is being projected onto thescreens in the room very large
screens, yeah, two very largescreens on the side of the, on
the side of the um stage, sothat all 1900 or so participants

(38:35):
can effectively see jason um itpretty quickly whenever he sits
down and starts going in to hismessage.
Uh, I realize that.
Uh, he has got a hole in.
That's not small.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh no.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
It is noticeable yeah .

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, it's super noticeable, yeah, it's gaping.
Zoom in, zoom in, zoom in.
That's literally so I got on.
So I took the headset from ourbackstage manager and put it on
and I just told him hey, we'regoing to need to tighten that
frame up quite a bit, we aregoing belly button up for the
rest of this on.
And I just told him hey, we'regoing to need to tighten that
frame up quite a bit, we aregoing belly button up for the
rest of this.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Just to be clear when Brad is saying zoom in, he's
saying get a tighter shot on.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Jason On his face, on his face, on his face.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Chest up.
It was amazing.
And of course he knocked it outof the park, did an amazing job
with this message, veryeffective, did everything else.
And he just I remember he thisis only my second summer on
staff, so he came off the stageand I think it was his first

(39:52):
time preaching it for thatsummer and so he walked over to
me and he was just like how,how'd it go?
And I was like good, um, and Ithink he saw like he's like what
, and I was like you have a, yougot a hole in your pants.
And he reached behind him andlike and and felt and he just

(40:13):
like his eyes got real big andhe just started cracking up.
I mean he just like right, likethat's Jason doesn't take
himself too seriously, you know,just like started laughing so
hard.
He was like, oh man, I do, Um,and so, uh, yeah, so he had a
great attitude about it.
Everybody had a, had a goodlaugh, um and uh, you know the
word of the Lord does not returnvoid.

(40:33):
So, uh, word of the Lord doesnot return void.
So we're leaning on on that forthis one.
So I don't know if it's likethe most ridiculous uh goof or
not.
You know between power outagesand you know everything else.
But but that was uh, but thatone was, that one stands out.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
That's amazing.
Yeah, lane, I think this one, Ithink you insight on this
question, but Michelle's askingfrom start to finish how long
does it take to organize anevent?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Man, I don't know.
It's like everything else ittakes the time.
You're right, it's like shelvesyou use the space that you have
and so we use the time that wehave.
What we have learned is that wewant to take more time than
less, and so we have startedreally working at kind of an um
about an 18 month calendar um interms of our, in terms of our

(41:28):
planning, our events.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
So right now we know a lot about move 2025.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, we, we, we know , we know quite a bit about 2025
in terms of in terms of what,um, you know, theme and stuff
like that, so, um, but at thesame time though, we've, you
know, we kind of tried to dialthat in around January, February
, and then we shelve it becausewe've got a lot of work to do to
dot our eyes and cross our T'sin order to get ready for summer

(41:56):
of 24, right around the corner,right, and so it's kind of
there's overlap in our prep andso, and you know, for us, I
don't know what it's like toplan, I don't know how long it
takes to plan one, I only knowhow long it takes to plan 30 or
35 or whatever else.
And for that for us, for ourteam, is, uh yeah, 18 months

(42:18):
really, Um, if we wanted to, youknow, ultimately I mean
ultimately probably like 10 or11 months- yeah, great.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Um well, thank you, michelle, for sending us mail.
Thanks, michelle.
Thank you, lane, for being here.
What a joy, Lane.
Here's the deal.
Lane, you're my friend.
You're my friend too, brad, andwe're getting into this season
where I'm just not going to seeyou for three months.
I know, seriously, it's kind ofcrazy.
It is weird.
So, on a personal level, I'mvery glad that we had this time
together.
Me too, man.

(42:48):
All right, take care All.
Brittany Shoemake welcome back.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Hey, thanks, Brad.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
So glad you're here.
It's great to be here.
I'm so glad you're here becauseI don't think we've talked
about this.
You're like the person who issingle-handedly responsible for
me being here.
Did we talk about that lasttime?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
I don't know.
I don't know if we did or not.
Yeah, but we've had theconversation so many times.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
If Brittany didn't like me I wasn't coming, but she
did and here I am.
I did Hired me.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
You are here and you have done so many great things
beyond Engage, but I thinkEngage can always have that
token of we got Brad Warren toCIY.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Well, thank you very much.
I am honored for you to saythat I love Engage so much.
I'm excited to talk aboutEngage First.
I joked about talking to youabout this, but I actually kind
of do.
We have a love for collegebasketball in common.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
We do.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
That's correct.
Do you want to go and call thehogs?

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Do that just right now, that's correct, do you?
Want to go and call the hogs.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Do that just right now Into the microphone.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
That would be fun.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
So Brittany Arkansas Razorbacks fan, that's right,
brad, that's right Lifelong fan.
Blue Blood University ofKentucky.
Wildcats fan as long as I canremember, our buddy John.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Oh man John.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Calipariari on the move buddy John the biggest
sports story of the weekend,including two national
championships it's so true.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Sunday night got the alert on my phone.
Thought it was a joke at firstthought it was a joke this could
not be real but then when I sawit was coming from ESPN, it's
like how?
What in the world?
So stayed up laid in bedreading up on what in the world
was happening, right, supershocked it's kind of crazy.

(44:50):
Kind of crazy going from youknow staying in the SEC college.
You know staying in the SECcollege basketball coach going
to a place that didn'tnecessarily like him for a long
time.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
So trying to get some fans on board.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah, they always play that video of him getting
ejected in all of their hypevideos, which I think is funny.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
But yeah, John Calipari, the most successful
coach ever to be hired away froma school where he won a
national championship.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Congratulations.
There you go.
Well, we'll see what he canbring.
Bring the hogs.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Here's the deal.
He hasn't been to a Final Foursince 2015.
He hasn't made it to theweekend of the NCAA tournament
since 2019.
He only has one tournament winin his last four years, so I'm
ready for him to have a freshstart.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Look at you and all his stats.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I think you've built up your case against him.
This is a sports talk radioshow now.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
So welcome, that's right, it's not.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
It's not a sports talk.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
What is funny too, I have a brother who lives in
Lexington, so he married into afamily that's a UK fan, so it's
been interesting family chatgoing on.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Wait.
How does his wife feel about it?

Speaker 4 (46:05):
They're happy about it.
Yeah, I'm happy about it too.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
But here's the thing he is so proud that I think he
is going to have the biggestchip on his shoulder and you
guys are going to get the bestversion of John Calipari.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
That's what I can hope for.
Bring in some good recruits.
See what happens next March.
Who?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
even knows who Kentucky is going to get now
Remains to be seen.
Actually, by the time thisepisode comes out, it will not
remain to be seen.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
We're recording this on April, the 10th people, so
sorry, it is fresh news.
It is fresh news today.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Everyone's going to be like did I remember that
happening?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
like a month ago.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yes, you do.
Anyway Brittany you are thedirector of Engage here at
Christ in Youth, which isamazing.
Been doing that for a long time, so fun.
You get to have a new Engageexperience this summer.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah, yeah, do you want to talk?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
about it?
Are we allowed to talk about it?

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Okay, where are you going?

Speaker 4 (47:10):
So, yeah, we actually .
So we have two new partnershipsthis year that we are sending
teams to.
So one of those we introducedlast year at MOVE and that is
with Mavuno Church in Kenya.
So they had a lot to do withthe behind-the-scenes ministry
that took place from the filmwhen the River Divides.

(47:31):
So we have partnered up withthem to do an experience in
Nairobi and then also going outinto the rural area where the
film was shot, and so we'reexcited about that.
Mavuno Church for people whomay not be familiar, they are
the ones that actually developedthe curriculum for the

(47:53):
discipleship series Rooted.
So anybody who may be familiarwith that, if your churches have
gone through that or if you'veheard other churches going
through that, mvuno Church inKenya is actually the one.
The pastor there, the mainpastor, developed that.
So just another cool connectionthat we have.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah it's so interesting, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
So my church that I go to I've gone through Rooted
and so it's fun to see it happenin its honestly, in its
original context of where it wasdone.
So, anyway, that is one of ournew partnerships not actually
where I am going this summer,but I wanted to talk about that
because we're excited.
The other one that I will begoing to is in Spain.
We are partnering with TeamExpansion and we're going to

(48:35):
have a team that's in Granada,so it's in the southern part of
Spain.
There is just a movement goingon, particularly with Team
Expansion and trying toestablish churches and
discipleship-making groups allthroughout the regions of Spain,
and so we got introduced tothem from a church that is in

(48:58):
Florida.
So their church is going all inin the country of Spain and so
their adult trips are goingthere all of their trips.
So they wanted their studenttrips to do that as well, and so
youth pastor came to us andsaid, hey, church is going all
in in Spain.
We have these partners withteam expansion, but we really
want to engage, to be involvedin it too.

(49:19):
Is there something we can do?
So we said let's take a lookand see what happens.
So went and met the team that'sthere in Spain this past
December and, yeah, working andplanning on taking a team there
the first week of June.
So we'll be going back.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
In the south of Spain .
South of Spain Sounds like alovely place to be in December.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Yeah, well, it's crazy.
I had been to Barcelona before,so that's more up in the
northern part, but in southernSpain.
So we fly in right on theMediterranean Sea.
So then we drive 40 minutes 40minutes from from the sea, to
Granada Uh, that's where it's,it's a city there.
And then they are 40 minutesfrom, uh, the mountains where

(50:05):
there are ski resorts.
So literally we could have beenat the Mediterranean sea on the
beach, or been up at a skiresort in the same day.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It's like the California of Europe.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
It's true, that's where you're going.
It's so fun.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
It's beautiful.
So we've talked a little bitabout how every Engage trip is
different.
I believe when you've been onthe podcast before, they all
kind of have a different flavor,different points of emphasis
that truly are based on whateverministry the mission partner is
already engaged in, because wedon't come in and do our thing,

(50:40):
we come in and do their thing,right.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
So what is this Spain like?
What is the Spain trip going tobe?
What's kind of the thing that'sgoing to make it unique, you
know?

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah, the thing that will make it unique is it's in a
place where ministry is toughand there's less than 1%
evangelical Christians.
And so what?
The team there, the ministrythat we're partnering with
they're really on that groundlevel of trying to figure out

(51:16):
how to make disciples, and sothey're doing a lot of prayer
walks, going into differentcommunities, just trying to
build relationships and makeconnections, find people of
peace in those places, to juststart small groups, start small
group ministry and then leadinto further discipleship groups

(51:39):
and plant churches eventually.
So we're going to do a lot oflearning.
Honestly is what this trip willbe about Learning what that
type of work looks like.
We're going to be doing prayerwalks, learning what that is
like in a different place, in adifferent context, and learning
about relational ministry.
I think that there is so muchto that.

(52:00):
That is, yeah, we get to see itand experience it in Spain, but
it's going to be sotransferable to the context
where these students are comingfrom, and so, yeah, I'm going to
learn a lot about what ministrylooks like in those realms and
what it takes to get things offthe ground.
I'm starting, honestly, withwhere we should all start with

(52:20):
that, and that's with prayer.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, yeah you.
One of my favorite things thatI ever remember you saying and
you say it a lot is prayer iskingdom work, and I think it's a
cool thing to show studentsthat, um, any like anybody can
do that, anybody, you know, itdoesn't matter how you're,
you're gifted or um what you'repassionate about, even like you

(52:45):
can pray you know every everyonehas that in their tool belt.
So to be able to take a group ofkids to Spain and kind of live
that out for a little while, Ithink is is a really cool thing.
And kind of live that out for alittle while, I think is a
really cool thing.
So you mentioned that this tripis happening.
It's kind of customized in thesense that it's happening in
order to help meet the needs ofthis very specific church and

(53:09):
their kind of strategicpartnerships.
Do you see the Spain trip beingsomething that could be
available to other people in thefuture?

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah, absolutely.
So.
Those are things that we'retalking through, and the team
there on the ground, of course,is open to having more people
come over and joining in withthe work that they're already
doing and even seeing how thatcan spread maybe into other
areas of Spain, and so we'rereally focused in right now in

(53:38):
Granada, but I think thatthere's going to be a day and an
opportunity here soon that'sgoing to spread into some of the
other regions of Spain as well.
So, yeah, it's something thatwe're exploring.
It's a neat way to beintroduced to a new mission
partner and that's something newfor us, and so to do it this

(53:58):
way but, yeah, we are already inthose conversations for what
this could look like on a biggerscale too.
I love it.
So maybe next year we'll haveyou on.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
You'll be able to report back, tell us how it went
.
That's right.
People will be able to sign upto go to Spain.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
How fun is that?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
That's right so um, that's very cool.
So, uh, engage is differentthan anything else that ci does
in a lot of ways.
Um, in some ways, it's not one.
We just deserve the church,like britney just talked about.
Um, it's really cool that wefound this mission partner
through the church for thatreason, uh, but one of the ways

(54:38):
that it is different is, andthat I want to talk to you about
, is that there's not a reg day.

Speaker 4 (54:45):

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Like we don't get people hyped up for October 1st
so that they can sign up formove, like we did.
Like um and I, I would want,want.
I wouldn't want someone to belike, yeah, I want to have a
conversation about this, but Idon't know where to start.
You know what I mean because Iknow for a lot of people,

(55:07):
international mission trips iseither intimidating, it can be a
lot, especially if you are theonly student pastor at your
church and you have a trillionother things to worry about.
And now all of a sudden I haveto understand, like visa law and

(55:27):
all these crazy things.
So we know that it can beintimidating and also know that
for a lot of people it's like alittle bit stale.
Like maybe you've done the samething over and over and over
again and you always go to thisplace and do this thing and it
just feels like it's like notquite doing what you were hoping

(55:48):
that it would do for yourministry.
So we're opening to having allof those conversations, right,
like for.
Move.
It's like the first step isregister.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
For engage.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
It's not right.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Let's have conversation.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Yeah, and those conversations happen at
different points, like what youwere saying, just even the I
don't even know what questionsto ask.
Like those are the startingpoints for some of the
conversations that we have, andwe can have those at any point,
at any time.
There's not a I have to waituntil June 1st until I can have
this conversation.
We're already havingconversations with people about

(56:25):
2025 trips and beyond that even,and so, yeah, call us, have a
conversation, email us.
We are here to help you figureout what's going to be best in a
partnership way, and so we'renot going to be trying to steer
you in a direction that may notbe best for your ministry, but

(56:48):
we want to help you figure thatout, and so that's what we're
here to come alongside, and wehave trips of all different
ranges, all different levels,and so let's have a conversation
and help you figure that out.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
What do you mean when you say that Like all different
levels?

Speaker 4 (57:03):
All different levels or ranges, Like you're talking
about just help me define thosethings.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was just having aconversation last week about
this of a youth pastor whocalled and said we have been
doing this trip for a long time,for several years going back to
the same place, but really feellike it is more for this junior

(57:24):
senior level of the type ofministry that they're doing, the
work that they're doing withwho their mission partners are.
And so he said I really feellike there needs to be something
that is more of a first entrystep into cross-cultural
ministry.
And so he said we're trying tofigure that out and trying to
find a partner who would be goodfor that.

(57:45):
And so I said yeah, let's talkabout it and kind of explain
from our side of kind of how wesee that of more entry-level
trips that's just reallyexposure to different types of
cross-cultural work.
Then, going into kind of thesemore, I would say upper-level
focus trips on this relationalministry, prayer walking, a lot

(58:10):
of that type of stuff that canbe more for your upper-level
students.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Which is so funny.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
And when I say upper level, that is not in a sense of
the more elite.
I think that there has been astigma with that of mission
trips are only for this certainlevel of kid who has checked off
all of these things.
And there are key leadershipstudents and, yes, I think there
may be a place for that, but wealso have a place for students
who are just dipping their toesinto this and want to see God,

(58:45):
want to see His church in adifferent context, in a
different way than they've everexperienced before.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah, it's funny that you use that example, though,
of like youth pastor who hasthis trip already set up.
That they do all the time andthey think it's great for, maybe
, students who have a little bitof experience in international
missions and are wanting to kindof take that next step on that
journey.
So he's looking for somethingthat's a little bit more

(59:12):
accessible, because I rememberwhen I was on the Engage team I
would talk to people all thetime who had the accessible part
.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Right, you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
we go to Mexico every year and build a house and
anyone can do that and it'sgreat on-ramp for anyone who
wants to kind of get started.
And they were looking for theopposite piece, yep, and it's so
cool that we have something tooffer both of those people, I
guess yeah, yeah, yeah um, yeah,but just the important part is

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we want to talk to you about it,right?
I mean it's crazy becausethere's so much more flat, like
it's so cool, how engage has uh,more like flexibility, I think,
than some of our other programs.
Um, because, like even thestory of jeremy oops, I named
him jeremy stevenson is thepastor that we've been talking

(01:00:06):
about.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
There we go.
He's uh the best.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
um shout out to jeremy.
Uh like the story of jeremycalling and being like hey, we
want to do engagement, we wantto go to Spain, and then we were
able to figure that out.
Yeah, you know it's, it's socool.
So, um right now, this episodeis releasing on Memorial day.
Hope you're enjoying Memorialday cookouts, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
And the hot hot love a good hot dog.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Um, outs, that's right.
And the hot, hot.
I love a good hot dog.
Um, me too, yeah, me too, uh.
But like we can talk to youright now, like britney said
about 2025, that doesn't feellike a real year but it is, and
you can plan an engage trip forthat time.
Um how, how would they do that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Yeah, yeah.
So we I mean we're accessible byall of the things uh email,
phone call, find us on Instagram, find us on Facebook, any, any
way that you like to communicate.
I think we can figure that out.
So, uh, yeah, engage at ciycom.
Maybe that's a first easy wayfor you to remember to be able

(01:01:18):
to start a conversation, butwe'll be changing over.
I'll say this we'll be changingover our website that first
week of June to list out tripsthat we will have open for 2025.
So you'll see, if you get onour website, you'll see those
lists of dates and locations.
However, we're open toconversations, just like you
were saying of, we can do tripsat different times of the year

(01:01:43):
and at different dates, and sowe put some dates out there that
, hey, we know that these areguaranteed times that we'll be
going to these places with ourmission partners, but there are
other times of the year, andeven during the summer, that
there are other options possible, and so if there is something
that is not already planned thatyou would like to talk about,
let's have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, you actually just got back from a trip that
happened over spring break.
That's right, a group decidedto do a spring break trip to
Northern Ireland.
Do you have any great storiesfrom that trip?
Did anything awesome happen?
I?

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
mean there's always awesome things happening.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
So yeah, brad, maybe the only thing I've heard is
that the youth pastor, who is avery good friend of ours, Juan.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Juan used to work for us.
Yeah, this is a first.
This is a first.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
He had had surgery on his vocal cords.
That's right and was on vocalcords.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
That's right and was on vocal rest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
That's right.
Couldn't hardly talk the wholetrip.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
The first few days he could talk 25%, which it's
funny.
How no, just time?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
the time of day.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
I guess that's why I was like how do you actually
determine what is 25%?
But then middle of the tripmoved into 50%, wow, and so got
to up that.
But no, that was funny.
There was some other adultleaders on the trip that were
very aware of how much he wastalking and trying to keep him
at bay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
And if you know one, you know that he talks, he talks
, he talks, he's a talker, heloves to talk yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
So you talk about, yeah, mission trips being
stretching in some way.
That was probably it for Juan.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
You got to go there and be quiet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
That's right.
No, it was a really really goodtrip.
The students from that churchthat came.
It was fun to see their growthover the week.
They came really from differentfriend groups, so from the same
church but kind of were fromdifferent groups and so just to
see them grow throughout theweek and grow together both in

(01:03:50):
learning and their experiences,but just the bonds that they
were making to be able to takeback to the other people in
their youth group that didn'tget to experience it and what
they are going to be able toshare.
And it is such a relational tripthat we were on and so that
lent itself so good to that ofthem realizing, hey, this is

(01:04:12):
stuff that we can be doing withour own groups back home, like,
why, why are we not, why am Inot reaching out into to other,
uh, friend circles and andlearning how to be a better
friend and how to do um ministryin in ways that is.
So we, we think it's so easyjust by being relational and you

(01:04:33):
think that that would benatural, be natural, but it's
tough.
It's hard when you're steppinginto different areas and
different friends and differentpeople that you may not normally
talk to.
But they did it on the tripwith each other, not only with
the students and the youngpeople that we were working with
at the youth center that arethere in Northern Ireland, but
they were doing that with eachother too, and so that was kind

(01:04:56):
of this light bulb thing goingoff for them of this is
something that we can be doingin our home church.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
And it well, it's not every trip that you have
something happen like that,where the going home part can
literally just be a continuationof what happened on the trip.
Yeah, that's a really, reallycool thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Yeah, it was cool.
So and I'll say this too alittle plug for the summer at
Move and Mix this summer.
For anybody who will beattending one of those events,
you will get to hear about thisministry that we're talking
about in Northern Ireland.
So Riot Revival in Our Town iswhat that stands for.
They are actually our offeringpartner for this year at Move

(01:05:39):
and at Mix, and so you're goingto get to learn more about them
and kind of see some evenvisuals and footage from what an
engaged trip could look like inNorthern Ireland.
That's something we're reallyexcited about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
They've been partners with us for over 10 years and
we've had many, many teams gothere, and so to get to honor
them in this way, to get to showmore about what they're doing
in their ministry and helppropel them hopefully forward
into new things that they'retrying to accomplish there, yeah

(01:06:15):
, I will say this, regardless ofwhether you go on a trip to
ride or not, Richie and JenShilliday, who run that ministry
, are like some of the mostspirit-filled people that I have
ever encountered in my entirelife, and for students to get to

(01:06:39):
just hear from them and hearthe kingdom work that they're
doing um at like it.
For me, as someone who knowsRichie and Jen, like the fact
that 40,000 students that movein another 20 something thousand
at ed mix are going to get tohear um them speak from their
heart about the kingdom workthat they're doing is worth the

(01:07:03):
price of admission.
It's going to be so cool, sotrue yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
So true, yeah, such great people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Michael's been on that trip.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
He has, I have.
I was the only boy on that tripand Richie called me boy, the
whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Boy with a beard.
He is sassy, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
I have to know how it was, with Juan needing to not
talk and Richie just being there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Just goading him the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Anyway, it really is a special, uh special, special
ministry special people.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
I'm excited for people to be exposed to them
this summer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I think that's a really cool thing.
Yeah, um, on that note, britney, since we've welcomed michael
into the conversation, uh, it'stime for the mailbag um, before
I actually get to a mailbagquestion, brittany, I have a
question of my own oh has thisever happened?

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
before this is the first time this has ever
happened.
Engage is a program that isnear and dear to my heart
because I have some history withit.
I was an event staff on thelast summer that Engage had
domestic events.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
And then I went on that Northern Ireland trip.
That's right.
And I am curious, Brittany, ifyou have a favorite Engage
principal.
Ooh favorite Engage principal Ihave one you do, and I can tell
you what mine is, while youthink of what yours might be.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Yeah Well, how about I set it up and then you can?
Tell your favorite, so yeah.
So on our engaged trip what heis talking about we have it's
with our training that we do forengage.
We go through seven missionprinciples.
They are really these seven keyideas, key concepts for what it
looks like to do mission work.

(01:09:02):
Really, we say kingdom work ina sense, because it's not just
about going to a differentcountry or being in a
cross-cultural setting, but thislens for how to do kingdom work
and how to do that well and howto step into those spaces.
And so there's seven kind ofkey phrases, key ideas that we
walk through with each team.

(01:09:24):
It goes across every trip.
It applies to any context.
So, michael, I am turning thisquestion back onto you for the
mailbag, yeah, what is yourfavorite principle?

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
This version of the mailbag is absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
We're just doing whatever we want here, last
episode of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Oh my gosh, we can flip this around.
My favorite engaged principleis that God is already working
Nice, and the reason I like thatone so much part of it is
admittedly because it's one ofthe easiest ones to remember.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
It's a good.
If that's only the only onethat you can remember off the
top of your head like that, thenit's pretty good, and I think
you know, like you were justsaying, all of these principles
can apply in basically anycontext.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
This is one of the ones that I think is some of the
easiest to know how totranslate to different contexts
know how to translate todifferent contexts, and even
lately for me in what is mynormal job, which is I'm on the
live production team in theaudio department and then during
the summer I'll go out andproduction manage different
events.
One of the things that I alwaystry to have on my mind when

(01:10:30):
we're traveling for our eventsis remembering that our event is
not the only place that thestudents and youth groups that
are coming to our events areencountering.
God, yeah, and having the sortof humility to remember that,
like we're not the rock starsthat are actually, you know,
doing the real, the real work,like we're not the ones that are

(01:10:51):
like finally introducing themto Jesus, like, instead, we.
It is helping me to rememberthat we are partnering with the
churches that are coming to ourevents and we are just there to
help serve them in the work thatthey're already doing.
Yep, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Remembering that God is already working is the one
that I like to try andconstantly remind myself of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's good, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
We're part of a much bigger story at play.
So yeah, that's cool.
Thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
But do you have a favorite?

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Oh, now you are really asking me the question.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I want to know Do.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
I have a favorite oh that's so hard I didn't ask that
.
So and this is what is neatabout them is every trip that
I'm on, every team that I'm with, it seems like there is a
different one.
That kind of just becomes thetheme of that trip, and I think

(01:11:47):
that it lends itself to thedynamics of the team, the
context of the trip, what we'redoing, and so they get
highlighted in different waysways.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
That's beautiful, but that's a cop-out answer.
Yeah, what is it?
Because my answer is I can'tpick one, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
So so on the northern ireland trip that you just came
back from yeah is there?
Is there one that is standingout?

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
yeah, we I mean we hit on a lot of uh, cultures are
beautiful and broken and churchmatters honestly, um, it was
really cool this.
So we were there over springbreak, which meant we were there
over saint patrick's day, onmarch 17th.
And if if you're not familiarwith the story of patrick, I

(01:12:33):
would really strongly encourageyou to look up the story of his
life.
He was a real person.
I'll give this little tidbithe's not even Irish.
Actually.
He came over from Britain andcame over there's the whole
story to this but came over andstarted the first church in

(01:12:55):
Ireland and that is literallythe place of that where he
started that first church.
The property, the land is maybe15 minutes from where Riot is
in Northern Ireland, and sothere is just a lot of history
there and the churches there,the people there, really

(01:13:15):
highlight that of let'scelebrate Patrick and what this
day is all about.
And so we were there.
That was the beginning of ourtrip.
We land the day before StPatrick's Day, and so the first
three days of our trip we aretalking about Patrick and his
legacy.
Legacy, but not only that, someof these.

(01:13:37):
We went to a couple of specialservices and they were talking
about.
If Patrick could do this in hisday of spreading the gospel, of
being a light, then we can dothat today.
And there needs to be a revivalhappening in this land, and so
we're sending people out isreally what they're talking
about, and so that really setthe tone of our whole trip of

(01:14:00):
being in partnership with thechurch.
That is already there, with howGod is already moving to
continue, what it means to bringrevival, and so that really set
the tone of the church matters.
And Patrick started the firstchurch there many, many years
ago, almost 1600 years ago, andthat legacy continues today.

(01:14:24):
But also it's the call and thechallenge for us too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Also quick plug for the story of Patrick.
It is not like a boring historystory, it's insane.
Yeah, kidnapping and slaveryand crossing the sea.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Yeah, there's a lot of good stories there, going to
the barbarian pagan land ofIreland.
So yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
It's really good Crazy times, yeah, okay.
Anyway, now for a real mailbagquestion.
Um, we received a letter fromour friend michelle cruz and
there are a letter like anactual written letter michelle,
send me, send me mail to my.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
That was the sound of the actual letter um.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
So she asked multiple questions and we already asked
a couple to lane and one of theones that I asked lane.
Um, I'm gonna ask you, um, butI have to kind of like reframe
the question a little bit.
So the original question isfrom start to finish, how long
does it take to organize anevent, as it would pertain to

(01:15:35):
engage from start to finishabout how long does it take to
organize a trip in aninteresting time to ask that,
because we're doing a brand new.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, we are, yeah, a brand new thing we are.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
So, yeah, I hmm, I think it could probably look
different in different places,but we'll just take this example
of Spain.
So we started having theseconversations it was probably
last year at this time, honestlythe conversations with the

(01:16:08):
church, with Christ Church downin Jacksonville.
We started having just theinitial conversations of could
this be something that'spossible?
We're wanting to take a groupin 2024.
And so I met up with them.
Yeah, it was April of last year, so right at a year.

(01:16:28):
So, yeah, 12 months is reallythe time that we've put into
this trip and that's beenconversations and Zoom calls,
and we took a trip over to Spainto do some of the initial
groundwork there, and Jeremy andhis church have been having
their own conversations as well.

(01:16:50):
But, yeah, it's, yeah, we'llsay a year, okay, 12 months a
year to be able to pull off andmake a trip happen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
The other thing-.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
I think that could be trimmed down.
That could extend.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Well, and one thing is like a difference between
Engage and Move, which we'vebeen highlighting a lot, is that
the programming of engage doesnot reset every year, correct?
Um, we have our training thatwe facilitate and base the trips
off of.
If you go to riot on a trip,you're gonna have, I'm gonna say

(01:17:31):
, the same experience.
Obviously, they're all uniquein their own way, but but you
will follow the same schedule asthe teams that have gone before
you and the teams that willcome after you.
So that's a different piece ofit too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
But anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Right, yeah, I mean a lot of it for us and for Engage
is the relational aspect withthe mission partner and so
wanting to make sure that it's agood fit for us and for them
Are they able to actually host ahigh school group of students,
and how many, and what thatlooks like.

(01:18:09):
Have they done that before?
And so, yeah, there's a lot ofquestions that we really put
into that and the philosophicalside and is it going to be a
good fit just, yeah,logistically, but also
missionally, and that takes sometime to do that.
So it's like building afriendship and we don't want to

(01:18:31):
just do a trip to do a trip.
We're not about that and so Iwant to make sure it's going to
be healthy and fit on all fronts.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Now I have a really serious question.
Michelle's asking about staffcleaning day and staff fun day.
Now, Britt, how many years haveyou been on staff?

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
17 years.
I just passed 17 years yeahthat is crazy I passed my year
that I could start driving andso feeling pretty good about
this um over the years yourcareer can see an r-rated movie
yeah, really yeah without.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Without having to be accompanied by a parent.
Okay, I didn parent.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
Okay, I didn't even know what that age was anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
What's the first R-rated movie that your career
is going to go see?

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
This is the thing.
I don't follow movies like thatanymore, thinking of going to
the theater.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
That's fair enough.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
You could say Passion of the Christ.
It's probably the safest answer.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
You could say no, it's Monkey man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Or no, it's monkey man or monkey man.
Okay, Okay, but anyway, overthe years this past, Staff
Cleaning Day and Staff Fun Day.
How do they stack up for you?

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
We're talking about them like it's almost the same
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
These are two totally different things that we're
talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Staff Cleaning Day is not the same as staff fun day.
Staff cleaning day is think oflike a spring clean out type
thing that happens.
That you would maybe do at yourhouse too, but washing windows,
pulling weeds cleaning out thevans cleaning out the vans yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Which is the cool kid job.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
So it is it is this last year actually, there were
several students from OzarkChristian College who came and
helped us on staff cleaning day.
So that was fun.
Got to do it with some newfaces and was very kind and
generous of them to come help us.
So I would say that was prettyfun to meet some new people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah meet some new people.
Yeah, we all kind of moan andgroan about staff cleaning day a
little bit, but it is a coolthing in the sense that everyone
from Jason French on down, um,just kind of doesn't do anything
for a day and no meetings onthe calendar.
We just come here and we cleanup the property we do.
It's fun, we do it together andfind a way to make it fun clean

(01:20:53):
up the property, we do.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
It's fun.
We do it together and find away to make it fun.
Yep so, but the other thingthat we're talking about is our
staff, our staff fun day.
Speaking of fun, we this lastyear, I would say there's a
little bit of a highlight tothat and we can bring this full
circle of of bringing back thebasketball conversation, because

(01:21:16):
this year part of our staff funday was a shooting competition,
basketball, basketball,shooting competition and I was a
basketball player and there's afew people around our office
that know that, but I think alot of the newer people that
come in have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Highest scoring player in the history of Ozark
Christian.
This is not true.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
But what if it were?

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
This is not true.
I actually didn't even play atOzark.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Just kidding.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Webb City High School I coached, I had some knee
injuries, so anyway, there was acompetition that involved
basketball and I won thatcompetition over Eric Epperson
and Titus Weiss, and so, yeah,something I can hang my hat on
and be pretty proud of Anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
any human being can beat Titus Weiss at anything is
a good day.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
I said I was going to wear my medal into any meeting
that I've been with him, but Ihaven't actually done that yet.
I need to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I just need to bring that out just to remind him.
Just keep him in his place.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
Just let him know.
Let him know that was a fun one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Well, that was our last mailbag of season three at
Beyond the Event.
It's been a good season.
Three of beyond the event kindof crazy.
It's been a good season.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun sounds like michelle
cruz is keeping that mailbaggoing well, she wrote us a card
with like eight questions in itwe, we didn't even get to all of
them, it's true is the thing soanyway um.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
One of them is for you, brad.
Yeah, we're not doing that um,one of these days.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
No, it's no one's here to hear from me.
They're here for britney.
Um, anyway, britney, uh, I'mgonna have you one last time.
Read um our blessing over ourlisteners.
Until until we see you again inthe fall yeah, I would be happy
to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
so thanks for having me listeners, we love and
appreciate all you guys do forthe kingdom.
So, yeah, let me read this.
May God show you his grace andbless you.
May he make his face shine onyou.
May you experience the love ofChrist, through whom God gives
you fullness of life.
May you be strengthened by hispower.

(01:23:34):
May Christ himself make hishome in your heart, that you
would be full of his love andgrace and that those you serve
would see Jesus in you today'sepisode was produced by michael

(01:23:55):
hester, lauren bryan and myself.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Huge thank you to lane moss, huge thank you to
britney shoemake for being withus today and a huge thank you to
you for listening, especiallyif you have been along on this
ride with us for for all ofseason three.
We're going to be back.
We're going to be back, not intwo weeks, but we're going to be
back.
We're going to be back not intwo weeks, but we're going to be
back for season four in thefall and hope that you will

(01:24:18):
subscribe to be on the eventwherever you listen to podcasts
so that you don't miss anythingwhen we do finally return.
In the meantime, you can feelfree to reach out to us on the
CIY community Facebook group orby email at podcast at ciycom.
Have a great summer.
We'll see you next time.

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