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Dr. Brandon Hardin (00:04):
Thanks for tuning in to Beyond the Game
with your host and my dad, DrBrandon Hardin.
Hey, what's up everybody.
It's Dr Hardin on the mic.
I have got a very special guesthere today.
Landen Wallace played baseballfor West Harrison High School
and is now over at the Perkinsoncampus.
Landon, what's up, dude?
(00:24):
What's up how you doing?
Landen Wallace (00:26):
I'm pretty good.
How are you?
Dr. Brandon Hardin (00:27):
Doing good.
How's baseball going?
You guys getting geared up.
Landen Wallace (00:31):
Oh yeah, our first game is January 25th.
Go back to school on the 13th.
So we're about to be rockingand rolling.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (00:37):
Yeah, man, that's awesome.
How was your off-season workout?
Landen Wallace (00:40):
It was good.
It was definitely a lot tougherthan what I'm used to, but I'm
adjusting really good yeah yeah,it's a little bit different
going from high school sportsperiod to collegiate sports
right 100%.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (00:53):
What were your biggest differences?
Like in the notice, the level,like competition, like as far as
who you're competing againstand who you're competing with,
so like your own teammatesversus the ones you're competing
against.
Landen Wallace (01:05):
Oh yeah, it's a little different because a lot
of the people that I play within high school are playing
collegiate ball right now, butthere's just a lot of
differences, definitely themental and the physical aspect
of it all.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (01:17):
Yeah, you get no penny earlier.
Your workout's a lot harder100%.
Landen Wallace (01:22):
It comes with it .
It comes with it.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (01:24):
Yeah, how did the mental and physical
demands shift for you personally?
Landen Wallace (01:29):
As far as the physical demands, I mean,
basically, the workouts are alot harder, they're a lot more
intense, you're getting after ita lot more, the culture is a
lot different.
Everybody wants to compete,especially like in the weight
room and everything like that.
And then on the mental side ofit, it's more taxing on your
mind because you're competingfor a job at this point when
(01:49):
you're in the collegiate level.
You're still playing it for fun, but if you don't get the job
done, you're not going to beplaying very long.
Right so you have to just getinto a good mental space where
you can just basically justtrust yourself, trust your
ability.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (02:06):
What positions are you playing?
Landen Wallace (02:07):
I play catcher.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (02:08):
Yeah, yeah.
How's that going for you incollege?
Landen Wallace (02:12):
It's good, I really enjoy it.
Catching has been a passion ofmine for a really long time
being at the collegiate level.
I'm learning a lot of differentthings as far as catching goes.
Yeah, I'm really enjoying itthough.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (02:23):
Are you following any like specific
program as far as catching goes?
Yeah, I'm really enjoying it,though.
Are you following any likespecific program as far as
catching goes, and then likeeven your off-season training
are you?
Are you following a program acoach put together for you?
Landen Wallace (02:34):
um, kind of sort of mainly, the main thing with
catching is being very flexible,being mobile, because you're I
mean, you're down there for nineinnings and it can be very
taxing on your body but makesure you're being mobile, making
sure that you're receiving offa machine a lot, because with
catching it's all aboutrepetition.
Yeah, absolutely.
The more reps you get, thebetter.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (02:55):
Yeah, never know where that ball is going
either.
Landen Wallace (02:57):
Never know.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (03:00):
Okay, man.
So how did your training interms of intensity and volume go
compared to high school?
Like were you just like bam hityou all of a sudden?
You know when they give youyour workouts for college.
Landen Wallace (03:13):
I would say they're a lot.
It's a lot more in a shorterperiod of time, so there's not a
lot of breaks.
The weight's obviously a lotheavier because, I mean,
everybody's getting older.
You're working out with olderpeople and you're trying to
build muscle.
It's not really like in theoffseason.
You're not really trying tolike.
You're trying to be healthy,You're trying to stay healthy,
(03:34):
but you're trying to pack on asmuch muscle as you can.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (03:36):
Sure.
Landen Wallace (03:37):
And at Gulf Coast we work out four times a
week.
We have one off week, but everytime we get in the weight room
we're getting after it.
I mean a lot of weight.
Moving it quick, moving it fast.
Heavy weight.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (03:51):
Are you guys ?
Landen Wallace (03:51):
more focused positionally or is everybody
doing the same workouts?
It's kind of sort of the sameworkouts.
Obviously, pitchers andposition players, the workouts
vary.
Right, because pitchers have,you know, the mobility issues
with their arm.
They have to watch out for thatbecause that's a big thing.
Right, with their arm they haveto watch out for that, because
that's a big thing, but most ofall the position players.
We do the same lifts and thenpitchers have their own lifts,
but I mean they kind of vary.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (04:09):
Okay, okay.
So any advice for, like,younger players who are about to
make that transition?
You know, obviously we're goingto hit May here pretty quick
with graduation, in terms ofsigning and things like that.
Landen Wallace (04:22):
Probably spring is the time for signing, so
you'll get to know where you'regoing what would you tell them
for preparation?
It's a big thing, but I wouldmainly just say enjoy high
school while you're in it, butmaking that transition, I would
make sure that you're.
Obviously your mental is good,your physical is good, and you
hear this thing all the timedon't take any days off.
(04:44):
And you want to take your restdays, but, as rest days are very
important, but making sure thatyou're getting after it every
day, not taking a day forgranted because somebody else,
somebody else is not playing thesport that you're playing and
they're not gonna be able toplay it at that level.
So each level issue, go up.
It's.
It's just the grace of God.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (05:04):
Yeah, or somebody is playing that
position and takes it from youif you're not performing at your
best.
Yeah.
Landen Wallace (05:09):
You don't want to take any of it for granted.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (05:11):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Talking about, like, nutritionand performance, what role does
nutrition play in yourperformance on the field?
Like, can you walk us throughyour typical meal or snack
before and after a game?
Landen Wallace (05:23):
I mean, for me it was a bigger thing when I was
in high school.
When I'm in college, now, theykind of keep us on a meal plan
making sure that we're gettingthe right amount of protein in,
and stuff like that.
But, when you're in high schoolyou don't have like that coach
or that friends conditioningcoach telling you what you can
and can't eat, so you have to,like, make sure that you're
doing it on your own.
Me basically was making sure Iget three to four meals in,
(05:45):
making sure that my protein'shigh because and making sure
that I'm getting enough carbs in, because I mean you're on the
move, especially an athlete.
You're always working, you'realways burning carbs, you're
always burning everything, soyou have to make sure that you
put enough water in your body.
Water's a big thing.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (05:58):
Um, basically, just making sure you
get enough protein and enoughcarbs in yeah, and you know I
think a lot of people will laughat me, especially my athletes,
coming in and saying hey doc,you know, off season I'm ready,
so ready for the holidays I'mlike yo.
It's just as important, if notmore important than all season
nutrition as it is during seasonRight.
Landen Wallace (06:16):
Yeah, because now all season you're moving a
lot of weight all the time, soyou got to make sure you take
care of your body.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (06:21):
So you think , are you more cardio intense or
weight intense during the?
Landen Wallace (06:27):
season, during the season I'm more of, I want
my body to last, so I'm more Iguess you would say more cardio
intense.
Yeah, I would say so, it's amore.
It's not like in the season,like I'm moving weight, but I'm
moving a comfortable weight andI'm moving it fast because I
want't want my body to be taxedout.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (06:43):
Right.
Landen Wallace (06:43):
During the season.
I want it to last all 60 games.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (06:46):
Yeah, that's a lot of games.
Landen Wallace (06:48):
Oh yeah, that's a lot of doubleheaders too,
golly man and y'all's firstgame's coming up.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (06:53):
you told me 25th.
January 25th 25th of January.
Who are?
Landen Wallace (06:56):
y'all playing, we're Okay, yeah, so it's just
right up the road.
First game's a home game.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (07:04):
Nice Can't beat that.
That's good, I'm going to haveto come up and check that one
out, man.
Landen Wallace (07:08):
Oh yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (07:09):
So, personally, do you have any like
dietary restrictions whenyou're, let's say, right before
a game, and I don't mean like ohno, I can't eat that type of
food?
I mean like I'm going to stayaway from that because I know
it's going to hinder myperformance?
Landen Wallace (07:23):
I would stay away from any type of cheese or
anything like that before a game.
I try to just stay away fromthat because it upsets my
stomach, but I try to just lightstuff During a game day.
Rice is always good becauseit's lighter on you and it
sticks to your stomach.
Well, Just different.
Things like that, protein barsdifferent things Okay.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (07:43):
Okay, Keep it light.
Landen Wallace (07:46):
Yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (07:47):
Yeah, all right.
Do you work with anynutritionists at the college?
I know you said they have mealplans for you, but is there
somebody specific for yournutrition?
Landen Wallace (07:56):
No, not really.
Our coach just kind of justgives us advice because all of
our coaches play at thecollegiate level, so we kind of
just listen to them and ourstrength and conditioning coach,
but we really don't have anutritionist.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (08:07):
I got you.
I got you Any supplements thatyou take that helps you
personally.
Landen Wallace (08:12):
I just take protein.
I drink protein shakes.
I used to take creatine andstuff like that, but I just make
sure that I get my protein in.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (08:21):
Yeah, you got to be careful about all
those supplements, right.
Because, you never know wherethey're coming from.
First of all, how they'retested.
Yeah, you got to read thelabels.
Yeah, man, and you guysspecifically have to go with
InForm for sport, right, sporttested, yeah yeah.
That was one of the biggesttrends whenever I got into
sports med.
What 12 years ago was you know,an athlete's coming in and
(08:44):
they're like, okay, I can havethis, this, this and this that's
not tested for sport Can't haveany of that, that.
And then it got really big andnow I mean, you guys really
can't vary from those type ofsupplements.
Landen Wallace (08:57):
Yeah, I know, like at the certain, like in the
d1, like in the NCAA anddifferent things like that, like
you can't take certainpre-workout right?
Yeah, it's weird, it's justpre-workout.
It's crazy, right?
Dr. Brandon Hardin (09:06):
yeah, it's weird oh man, maybe putting some
something in there that's notsupposed to be.
You never know what about armcare and injury prevention?
Obviously I'm not going to putyou in a chokehold like I did,
that one guy telling him.
You have to tell him whereyou're coming.
But where do you go for yourarm care and injury prevention?
I go to Dr Harding man, that'smy guy.
(09:27):
There you go, man.
How did you transition to myoffice?
Landen Wallace (09:32):
I there you go, man.
How did you transition to myoffice?
I was battling a lot ofshoulder injuries for a really
long time throughout high schooland just hearing different
opinions and not really gettingan answer.
They're always wanting, youknow, surgery, a cortisone shot,
and I was like I don't want todo none of that stuff.
Yeah, seeing him online, seeingDr Harding online getting a lot
of good reviews, a lot of proguys go there, I was like all
(09:53):
right, I'm going to give him ashot, and never left since.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (09:56):
Yeah, if you notice all the listeners, I'll
have some pros on the show, butthe realism of it is not that my
pro guys are too busy to comeon, because they're not, they're
lazy.
I'm just kidding.
My collegiate guys aretypically in the developmental
stages of everything Nutrition,supplementation, lifting.
(10:21):
Bodies are growing rapidly yeahman and you're playing 60 to 63
games a year, and then youroff-season, like we just said,
is super important, if not moreimportant.
Landen Wallace (10:33):
Yeah, off-season is a big thing.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (10:34):
Yeah.
And so when I get these guys on, these are the questions I like
for young people especially tohear and aspire to, because then
they'll get the chance to knowhey, all right, I can prepare in
high school now for mycollegiate years as an athlete.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
All the pro guys come on andthey're like, yeah, you know, I
got to buy me a new truck andgot a signing bonus.
(10:58):
I'm like, yeah, man, I need oneof those too.
No, they play just as hard.
But yeah, there's something tobe said about college athletics
and obviously our pro guys hadto go through that to get there,
especially at the juniorcollege level.
Well, and obviously our pro guyshad to go through that to get
there, Especially at the juniorcollege level.
Well, and you know, inMississippi, especially dude-
yeah, juco baseball inMississippi is very competitive.
Landen Wallace (11:17):
Absolutely.
It's one of the most, I'd say,out of all the states in our
country.
It's probably the best.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (11:22):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
We've got to hype, Perk up.
Landen Wallace (11:25):
So the coaches at Perk aren't like I heard.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (11:27):
Dr Harden talking shit on that podcast.
Landen Wallace (11:29):
Nah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (11:30):
You know, Perk is great, but Jones is
better.
Landen Wallace (11:34):
Nah, that's okay .
We got a whole new coach at theGulf Coast.
It's a different tradition.
They're doing all the rightthings for us.
It's going to be prettyexciting this year.
We're going to shock a lot ofpeople.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (11:44):
Yeah, I think so too.
Now tell me, the baseball coachis newer to the college,
correct?
Landen Wallace (11:52):
Yeah, what's his name?
You're talking about our headcoach now yeah.
Yeah, it's Coach Zach Allen.
He was an assistant coach therefor a while, great coach.
Love that guy, coach Allen.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (12:02):
That's awesome man.
That's awesome.
So how many years has he beenhead coach?
Landen Wallace (12:07):
This is his first head coaching job.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (12:08):
That's what I thought, yeah his first head
coaching job.
Okay his first head coachingjob.
That's what I thought.
First head coaching job Okay,coach Allen.
Best of luck, buddy, I'm goingto have to come catch a few
games and watch my dudes play.
You know who's coming on theshow tomorrow.
Landen Wallace (12:18):
Is it Hambone, hambone?
Yes, sir my guy.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (12:21):
Yeah, I love treating these guys, man.
They'll all come into theoffice and we all just get to
talking and having a good time.
It's like for me being incollege again, which is always
fun, because now I'm just old,washed up and I live vicariously
through y'all.
You know, oh yeah, oh man.
So well, would you explain howcrucial prevention is to you in
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respect to how you play?
You know, like, if you misssomething, as far as your arm
care or some type of routine,that you're used to.
Landen Wallace (12:56):
How much does that?
How much does that mess you up?
Yeah, um, I would say like,because when I was in high
school, you know, I pitched, Iplayed both sides, I pitched and
I caught, so arm care was huge.
Like missing an arm care daylike could really hurt me.
As far as like tight thingslike that, um, I would say, just
make sure every day that youstick to a routine, because if
you can, especially when you'rein high school, like I said, you
(13:18):
don't have that that push.
As far as coaching goes,everything's kind of on your own
.
If you can build a mindset towhere, every day going out doing
your bands, doing your longtoss, everything like that right
, um, even position players,making sure that you get that
stuff done, because it's goingto be way more beneficial for
when you get into college.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (13:38):
Yeah, yeah.
Landen Wallace (13:39):
Everything's going to become a lot easier.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (13:40):
Yeah, especially if you already have
that routine down, you know,yeah.
So tell us about yourdevelopment as a player, like
what were some of your mostcrucial moments or experiences
that helped you improve orbecome the player you are today,
or experiences that helped youimprove or become the player you
are today.
Landen Wallace (13:53):
So I didn't really start playing baseball
really like organized until myfreshman year.
Okay, that's kind of definitelya lot late, more than other
people.
A lot of people play whenthey're young, yeah rec league
and stuff like that.
Yeah, I mean I played in somerec leagues when I was in middle
school, but like nothing liketoo serious, I was just out
there having fun.
But the biggest moments for mewere obviously I was a freshman,
(14:15):
I didn't start varsity, but Iwould always watch the guys
ahead of me.
That's always a big thing Ifyou've got guys that are in
front of you that you look up towatch how they play the game,
watch how they do the rightthings.
Then, leading on to mysophomore and junior year, is
when I started playing varsity.
The biggest moment I rememberwas my sophomore year facing
(14:36):
Logan Forsythe, which was aMississippi State commit at the
time.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (14:39):
Yeah.
Landen Wallace (14:40):
And they told me my coaches hyped me up all year
saying I was going to be reallygood, and then it all hit me
and stepped in the box, blew 95past me and I was like this is
real, this is real.
This is real.
That's when I had to take astep back and really think about
.
You have to put all that hypeaside.
(15:00):
It's good if people hype you up, but you have to stay humble.
You have to stay humble If youlet it get to you and you get a
big head in this game ofbaseball, really in any sport,
but especially in this game ofbaseball, really in any sport,
but especially in this game ofbaseball it will come back and
get you every single time.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (15:13):
Yeah, yeah.
So how did that go for you inthe future?
Now have you played against himsince?
Landen Wallace (15:20):
I haven't seen him since high school but I've
definitely seen a lot of otherguys that are good, especially
like me being in college.
Now Played South Alabama duringa fall game Same situation yeah
, Stepping into the box Almostseeing MLB type velocity.
It just makes you take a stepback.
It really does.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (15:39):
Does it hurt To get hit?
I mean in the pocket.
Landen Wallace (15:44):
Oh yeah, you catch it wrong.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (15:48):
Dude, I cannot imagine.
I bet it does man.
How long did it take for you?
Do you have calluses on yourhand now?
Landen Wallace (15:56):
I have some like right here but that's not
really from, that's just fromlifting.
Yeah, that's just from thebarbells.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (16:01):
It probably helps, though, oh yeah, it
doesn't hurt me as well.
Landen Wallace (16:05):
Oh man, you get used to it.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (16:07):
Yeah, no, definitely so.
Looking ahead at your futurebaseball plans, what are your
goals and aspirations?
Landen Wallace (16:15):
I'm going to finish my two years at Gulf
Coast and with the new JUCO rulenow, your two years at JUCO
don't count towards your fouryears at a Division I school, as
long as it's like NCAA school.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (16:29):
That's right , four years out of Division I
schools, which is like NCAAschool.
Landen Wallace (16:33):
That's right, but hoping that I go to like a
low Division I school likeSouthern Miss, south Alabama,
tulane, one of those schools.
I mean, if Mississippi Statecomes knocking at my door and
they're like, hey, we want youto come play for us, I'm going
to be like, yeah, I'll be thereyeah.
But the realistic goal is to goplay at a school like Southern
Miss or something like thatabsolutely listen it up to him.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (16:50):
I mean, you need to look at this guy right,
yeah, there we go.
Have you sent any uh film, oris that a thing in the past?
What are your thoughts on that?
Landen Wallace (16:58):
um, I'll say this, being in college now.
Um, it's good to like, I guessyou would say, to reach out to
certain coaches.
But, um, really, in high schoolI was always sending stuff to
coaches and everything like that.
Now I'm in high school and Imean now sending stuff to
coaches and everything like that.
Now I'm in high school, I meannow I'm in college and I see
people doing it to my coachesand it's kind of like you don't
want to overstep if you get whatI'm saying.
(17:20):
If they know about you, they'regoing to know about you.
If you're good enough, they'regoing to know about you.
Everybody's going to know aboutyou.
So it's always good to reachout, because some high schools
go unturned, they aren't verygood.
I mean just like my high school.
I mean we weren't great.
We were okay, but we weren'tgreat.
But it's good.
It's kind of 50-50.
It's good to reach out, butdon't overstep.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (17:41):
There's a fine line.
Landen Wallace (17:42):
There has to be right, yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (17:43):
Because you're not the only one in the
film.
Oh yeah, man, Like Landon said,you know baseball in the state
of Mississippi.
As far as JUCO is concerned, Imean there's a lot of a lot on
the line really.
Oh yeah, I mean you guys aregetting picked up going to big
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schools, you're going to thepros.
How many people signed inMississippi out of JUCO to go to
a D1 school Do?
Landen Wallace (18:14):
you know, oh, there's a lot, there's a lot.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (18:16):
Numbers are high.
Landen Wallace (18:17):
I mean I just know, like in the past, like um,
when I was a senior at GulfCoast, gulf Coast signed eight
guys to D1.
That's just at one juniorcollege, eight guys.
Wow, and I'm sure many otherschools how?
Many in the program 35 usually35.
Yeah, you carry 35 during thespring Wow.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (18:38):
And eight of those.
That's a lot.
Landen Wallace (18:40):
That's a lot of talent.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (18:42):
Oh yeah, that's what that says, my gosh
man, do you have any doubts orhesitations about going to the
next level?
Landen Wallace (18:51):
I wouldn't say any like doubts, but I would say
hesitations, like justdifferent things, like because
everybody can attest on herethat plays sports you always ask
yourself am I good enough?
Mm-hmm Like am I good enough toplay at this certain level?
Dr. Brandon Hardin (19:02):
Like am I good enough to play at this
certain level?
You know what that tells me.
Landen Wallace (19:06):
That you're humble.
Oh yeah, you always want tokeep asking yourself, like just
to put in the work, becausethere's always somebody out
there that's better than you atwhat you do, especially in
sports.
Like there's going to besomebody that's going to for
your job.
That may be a little bit betterthan you, but you just got to
keep putting in your work to thebest of your abilities.
Be consistent.
Always being consistent is key.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (19:26):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Was there a defining momentthat made you realize that
baseball is the sport for you?
Landen Wallace (19:35):
I played a lot of different sports when I was
young and I played soccer when Iwas in middle school and kind
of just like there wasn't likethat passion, that drive for it,
like if something didn't get inmy way, it was was always like
I don't really want to play thisanymore, but it's like that's
every young person.
Well, this is terrible when Istarted playing baseball it's
like because, baseball, you failat this game so much.
(19:57):
There's so much failure involvedto it.
So when I would fail, it'd belike I didn't get my feelings
about it.
It was just like the nextthey'd be the next game.
Yeah, I didn't there in myfeelings about it.
It was just like the next A-B,the next game.
There was no negativity with it.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (20:08):
Failure equals lesson.
Landen Wallace (20:09):
Oh yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (20:11):
Lesson equals learning, right?
Hey man?
That's what it's all about.
So tell us a little bit moreabout your training regimen.
As far as the actualweightlifting goes, I think
young guys, especially when theycome in here, they're like Doc,
am I too young to work out?
And you know, even my highschool kids, because there are a
(20:32):
lot of high schools, let's faceit, who don't have strength and
conditioning coaches.
Their baseball coach, theirfootball coach or tennis coach
or whatever, are the ones whoare in the weight room and,
let's face it, those guys, a lotof them, don't even work out.
Landen Wallace (20:45):
Yeah, a lot of them don't.
They're just there to fill thevoid.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (20:49):
Yeah, and some of those schools may not
have the funds to pay strengthconditioning.
So what would you specifically,what would you tell these young
people who have it like that asfar as getting like a $10
membership at Club 4?
Would you suggest it?
Landen Wallace (21:05):
I would.
I definitely would suggest it,because I was that kid.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (21:07):
Yeah.
Landen Wallace (21:08):
We didn't have a strength and conditioning coach
at West Harrison.
I mean, our coaches did whatthey could.
You know they definitely got usbigger, they got us stronger,
they got us faster.
But as you go on, it gets to acertain point where you have to
start training for your sport.
There's different things,there's different movements
especially with baseball thatyou have to train for.
So I wouldn't necessarily justsay go in there, just throw 225
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on the bench and just startgoing crazy.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (21:34):
That's what I do every day.
Landen Wallace (21:35):
Yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (21:37):
Just kidding .
Landen Wallace (21:39):
Yeah, I would definitely say, investing in a
gym membership to get startedand stuff like that is
definitely a good thing.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (21:46):
Now there's so many like ai you can punch in
.
Hey, I'm a 16 year old, uh,novice, uh workout athlete,
baseball, football, whatever youknow, write me a program and
that thing's just like now.
Is it good?
That's the question, you know.
But does it give them astarting point?
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Yeah, sure, so there's reallyno reason why, you know, young
people shouldn't be in the gym.
Now I'd say, if there wereother conditions, you know,
speaking medically, going on,then yeah, you'd be evaluated
for it.
But yeah, I'm with you, man,like, get in the gym, get geared
up, make sure you get enoughnutrition, and I know especially
young people.
Now, video games are huge andwith video games comes red
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fingers, which equals hotCheetos and crap like that.
Oh yeah, bad habits.
Landen Wallace (22:35):
Try to stay away from them.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (22:36):
Yeah, man, I mean because that's who you
develop into right.
You're like, all right, afterthis baseball game, I got to get
in my game and then you're inthe game until 2 in the morning
I game.
I gotta get in my game and thenyou're in the game till two in
the morning.
Landen Wallace (22:46):
I've seen those athletes too.
Oh yeah, they're everywhere.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (22:48):
So yeah, yeah, um.
How do you see the future ofsport, like the evolution of
sport?
Do you see, like we just talkedabout, used to you have to send
film because coaches aren'tgetting on the internet yeah I
know that seems like a novelidea, but it wasn't that long
ago.
um, where you know, athletes aresending film over and you do
have to review it.
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How do you see the evolution ofsport and do you think that
people are going to continue toget better, or are we at a halt?
What do you think?
Landen Wallace (23:18):
The game.
Every game, every sport isevolving every day.
Like there's new technology,everything is coming in
differently.
I feel like the talent is goingto keep improving.
It's just going to keepimproving because like there's
different things that are comingout.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (23:33):
You know every year about different
sports right that everybody justkind of buys into yeah so I
think it'll keep evolving yeah,you know, I had a pro soccer
player on here last week, whichwhich we'll publish his this
coming Friday, but I was talkingwith him about how many
resources we have now versusback when, let's see, I'm 38, so
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back when I played sportsversus now.
So, like my son, for examplehe's one of my sons is really
into basketball.
My middle son he loves thesport dude Well, he plays for of
my sons is really intobasketball.
My middle son he loves thesport.
Well, he plays for the school.
He also plays football.
He specializes in basketball, Iwould say, you know, as his
sport of choice.
So we have a coach that we'vehired outside of school to help
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him out.
Yeah, do you think that keepinga kid two questions keeping a
kid in all kinds of sports at ayounger age makes them more
well-rounded?
Should they specialize?
And the second question is doyou see kids being on the
(24:41):
injured list because theyspecialize in a sport too early
on?
Landen Wallace (24:44):
It's definitely a lot.
It's a talked about question.
Uh, I would say, like at ayounger age.
Um, I think it's definitely agood thing to get your kids
involved in different sportsbecause it teaches them
different things.
Yeah, um, now, when they getolder and they start becoming
more mature, their body startsgrowing, they start um, just
really just mature all around.
I would, um, I would focus onthat one sport, like, sit down
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with them and be like hey, whatdo you really love?
And when they tell you that,okay, let's pursue this, and
just all your effort needs to gointo that one sport, because in
order to succeed in that sport,like if you want to make it pro
or even to the college level,you have to put in that work.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (25:23):
Yeah, absolutely you have to.
That's that consistency.
Again, yeah, absolutely youhave to.
That's the consistency again.
Landen Wallace (25:26):
Yeah, it's going to take up all your day.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (25:28):
For sure, man, absolutely, can you share
like your most memorablebaseball moment in your career
this far, or a person who shapedyour opinion.
Landen Wallace (25:43):
I would definitely say like I had a lot
of different role models thatshaped my opinion.
Yeah, I would definitely sayobviously my college coaches.
Now I would say definitely myhigh school coaches and just my
parents.
My parents really have beenreally supportive of me always,
no matter what I do, they reallystrive to give me the best life
(26:07):
.
As far as sports goes andoutside of sports, yeah, that's
awesome.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (26:11):
It's so funny.
You hit on that because, like Isay, I had that professional
soccer player in here and that'sthe one thing he said is that
his parents, no matter what hewanted to do, they aspired for
him to do more and more and more, like if he wanted to quit
soccer today they'd be like,okay, why?
But we support your decision.
Landen Wallace (26:31):
Yeah, it's huge to have your parents in your
corner.
It okay why, but we supportyour decision.
Yeah, it's huge to have yourparents in your corner.
It's always huge because noteverybody is going to be in your
corner.
Yeah, but that's just part oflife in general, like if your
parents are in your corner, it'salways going to be good.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (26:42):
Yeah, I think more successful people
have a better outcome when theyhave people pushing them period
100%, 100%.
Landen Wallace (26:51):
You know, they stay driven.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (26:52):
Yeah, meaning you can't do it on your
own.
And those who do, theirmentality is just that they have
to keep going.
They have to be driven becausenobody else is helping them do
it.
Landen Wallace (27:05):
It's hard to stay driven when you're the only
person that cares about yourcareer.
Yeah, it's hard.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (27:11):
Absolutely is yeah.
So what advice would you giveany athletes aspiring to play in
your position?
Landen Wallace (27:17):
right now.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (27:18):
So let's say you're leaving JUCO and you're
going into D1.
Who wants your position?
Tell them right now what theyneed to get geared up and be
ready for.
Landen Wallace (27:31):
I would definitely say, as it's your uh,
as far as the physical aspectsgo, get in the weight room, get
your conditioning done, um, getyour body right, because
injuries can set you back, yep,a long time, yeah if you don't
take care of your body that'sright, that's exactly right.
And then I would definitely uhconsider you know the mental.
The mental side of it.
I mean, sports is very taxingon the mind, so you always want
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to have somebody that you cantalk to about how your day went
when you were at practice orsomething like that.
Like I'd sit down with my momfor an hour just talk about
practice.
And it really helped me outbecause it cleared my mind.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (28:06):
Helps you deal load for the day.
Landen Wallace (28:07):
Yeah it does.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (28:09):
I mean that's taxing to play ball.
You know a lot of people goingoh, these kids are just getting
to have fun.
Yeah, it is fun, but at the endof the day it's a job.
Landen Wallace (28:18):
Yeah, especially when you get to a higher level,
it starts to become a job Likeif you don't handle your
business you won't be there.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (28:25):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
You can't be first baseman andplaying on your phone.
No, and playing on your phone?
No, can't be a catcher.
Looking in the stands Nope, youknow what I'm saying.
So I've got this little funsegment that I like to do that I
just started.
It's called Rapid Fire, okay.
So on these questions, I've gotfive of them for you.
I just want you to answer rightoff the top of your head okay,
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okay, I'm ready.
He said okay, I'm ready.
What's your go-to pregameritual or superstition?
Landen Wallace (28:53):
I'd definitely say, listening to the same song,
yeah, like having success withthat same song, because you know
us being baseball players,we're superstitious.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:02):
I know.
Landen Wallace (29:02):
Superstitious, superstitious, very, that's what
I would say about that one,okay, okay.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:13):
Who's the toughest opponent you've ever
faced?
Landen Wallace (29:14):
on the field Logan.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:14):
Forsythe.
Okay, logan, if you'relistening to this, you've got to
help a buddy out.
Get him up there and let himplay with you again.
I think that would be awesome.
Go catch.
Landen Wallace (29:29):
If you weren't a collegiate baseball player,
what would you be doing?
Definitely just pursuing mysports medicine career.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:34):
Okay yeah, so what do you want to?
Landen Wallace (29:35):
do what you're sitting here doing right now.
Okay.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:38):
All right Well.
Landen Wallace (29:39):
I can help you there?
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:41):
There you go .
What one skill on the field areyou still working to?
Landen Wallace (29:46):
improve being more vocal.
Yeah, communicate with myteammates, because if they can
trust you and you can trust them, everything's going to roll a
lot smoother on the field,especially with you and your
pitcher.
Yeah, you gotta trust eachother.
I mean your brother's out there.
You gotta have each other back,no matter what yeah, absolutely
.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (30:06):
I'm gonna give you a little piece of
advice there too.
You ever want to get married uh, One day yeah.
Communication is key.
Start now.
That's one thing that will saveyou your journey as far as
athletics and marriage.
There you go.
What's your favorite memory?
This is your last question.
What's your favorite memoryfrom baseball so far?
Landen Wallace (30:29):
I definitely would say, my first varsity game
under the lights 7 pm, mysophomore year in high school.
Yeah, yeah, it was a coming torealization like okay, it's
starting to get real.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (30:35):
you know, isn't that so much fun, man,
when you're in the spotlight?
This is your position, this iswhat you've been going for, this
is what you've been trainingfor.
And you finally get out thereand you're like look, I'm
getting goosebumps right now.
Landen Wallace (30:47):
Dude, it is there's no, there's no better
feeling, no it's not you.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (30:51):
I was doing bodybuilding and that's one
thing.
Like I had freaking COVID manand I remember those last nine
days before I got on stage, Iwas like I'm dying, literally
I'm dying.
I'm having to do cardio everyday.
I'm still lifting, I have COVID, I have these waves of am I
going to throw up?
Am I going to pass out?
You know, it's just like thatin any sport without COVID.
(31:14):
You have those same feelingsyou know, and then you get there
and you're like there's nobetter feeling when it pays off.
Landen Wallace (31:20):
It's glorious right?
Yeah, man, Nothing better.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (31:22):
No, I love that, bro.
Hey, Landen, I appreciate youcoming on the show and I'm just
appreciative of your time.
I'm proud of you, man.
Stay motivated and healthythrough your career and, like
you told our audience, you guyslisten, if you need anything,
Hardin Sports Medicine I promiseyou you won't regret it.
If it's something that we cantake care of which are most
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things we got you if it'ssomething that we can't, then
we're honest and we'll tell youhey, we need you to go get this
evaluated somewhere else.
But the one thing I canguarantee you is that through
sport it's ever-evolving andthere are always going to be new
ventures for young guys likeyourself.
And if there are coaches outthere who are listening to this
(32:06):
right now, you're going to wantthe guys I have on this show
because they are very committedindividuals, individuals and
they work very hard.
So again, landon, I wanted totell you that you're always
welcome here at Hardin SportsMedicine.
I appreciate you coming on theshow.
We look forward to seeing youat a D1 school after you finish
up with your JUCO career and welook forward to seeing you on
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January 25th.
Sounds good, yeah, man.
Yeah, man, uh, like I alwayssay, you know sports is ever
changing.
Stick with it, stick to theplan, stay consistent and be
safe.
Everybody appreciate it.
Thanks for tuning in to Beyond the Game
with your host and my dad, DrBrandon Hardin.
Hey, what's up everybody.
It's Dr Hardin on the mic.
I have got a very special guesthere today.
Landen Wallace played baseballfor West Harrison High School
and is now over at the Perkinsoncampus.
Landon, what's up, dude?
(00:24):
What's up how you doing?
Landen Wallace (00:26):
I'm pretty good.
How are you?
Dr. Brandon Hardin (00:27):
Doing good.
How's baseball going?
You guys getting geared up.
Landen Wallace (00:31):
Oh yeah, our first game is January 25th.
Go back to school on the 13th.
So we're about to be rockingand rolling.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (00:37):
Yeah, man, that's awesome.
How was your off-season workout?
Landen Wallace (00:40):
It was good.
It was definitely a lot tougherthan what I'm used to, but I'm
adjusting really good yeah yeah,it's a little bit different
going from high school sportsperiod to collegiate sports
right 100%.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (00:53):
What were your biggest differences?
Like in the notice, the level,like competition, like as far as
who you're competing againstand who you're competing with,
so like your own teammatesversus the ones you're competing
against.
Landen Wallace (01:05):
Oh yeah, it's a little different because a lot
of the people that I play within high school are playing
collegiate ball right now, butthere's just a lot of
differences, definitely themental and the physical aspect
of it all.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (01:17):
Yeah, you get no penny earlier.
Your workout's a lot harder100%.
Landen Wallace (01:22):
It comes with it .
It comes with it.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (01:24):
Yeah, how did the mental and physical
demands shift for you personally?
Landen Wallace (01:29):
As far as the physical demands, I mean,
basically, the workouts are alot harder, they're a lot more
intense, you're getting after ita lot more, the culture is a
lot different.
Everybody wants to compete,especially like in the weight
room and everything like that.
And then on the mental side ofit, it's more taxing on your
mind because you're competingfor a job at this point when
(01:49):
you're in the collegiate level.
You're still playing it for fun, but if you don't get the job
done, you're not going to beplaying very long.
Right so you have to just getinto a good mental space where
you can just basically justtrust yourself, trust your
ability.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (02:06):
What positions are you playing?
Landen Wallace (02:07):
I play catcher.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (02:08):
Yeah, yeah.
How's that going for you incollege?
Landen Wallace (02:12):
It's good, I really enjoy it.
Catching has been a passion ofmine for a really long time
being at the collegiate level.
I'm learning a lot of differentthings as far as catching goes.
Yeah, I'm really enjoying itthough.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (02:23):
Are you following any like specific
program as far as catching goes?
Yeah, I'm really enjoying it,though.
Are you following any likespecific program as far as
catching goes, and then likeeven your off-season training
are you?
Are you following a program acoach put together for you?
Landen Wallace (02:34):
um, kind of sort of mainly, the main thing with
catching is being very flexible,being mobile, because you're I
mean, you're down there for nineinnings and it can be very
taxing on your body but makesure you're being mobile, making
sure that you're receiving offa machine a lot, because with
catching it's all aboutrepetition.
Yeah, absolutely.
The more reps you get, thebetter.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (02:55):
Yeah, never know where that ball is going
either.
Landen Wallace (02:57):
Never know.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (03:00):
Okay, man.
So how did your training interms of intensity and volume go
compared to high school?
Like were you just like bam hityou all of a sudden?
You know when they give youyour workouts for college.
Landen Wallace (03:13):
I would say they're a lot.
It's a lot more in a shorterperiod of time, so there's not a
lot of breaks.
The weight's obviously a lotheavier because, I mean,
everybody's getting older.
You're working out with olderpeople and you're trying to
build muscle.
It's not really like in theoffseason.
You're not really trying tolike.
You're trying to be healthy,You're trying to stay healthy,
(03:34):
but you're trying to pack on asmuch muscle as you can.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (03:36):
Sure.
Landen Wallace (03:37):
And at Gulf Coast we work out four times a
week.
We have one off week, but everytime we get in the weight room
we're getting after it.
I mean a lot of weight.
Moving it quick, moving it fast.
Heavy weight.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (03:51):
Are you guys ?
Landen Wallace (03:51):
more focused positionally or is everybody
doing the same workouts?
It's kind of sort of the sameworkouts.
Obviously, pitchers andposition players, the workouts
vary.
Right, because pitchers have,you know, the mobility issues
with their arm.
They have to watch out for thatbecause that's a big thing.
Right, with their arm they haveto watch out for that, because
that's a big thing, but most ofall the position players.
We do the same lifts and thenpitchers have their own lifts,
but I mean they kind of vary.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (04:09):
Okay, okay.
So any advice for, like,younger players who are about to
make that transition?
You know, obviously we're goingto hit May here pretty quick
with graduation, in terms ofsigning and things like that.
Landen Wallace (04:22):
Probably spring is the time for signing, so
you'll get to know where you'regoing what would you tell them
for preparation?
It's a big thing, but I wouldmainly just say enjoy high
school while you're in it, butmaking that transition, I would
make sure that you're.
Obviously your mental is good,your physical is good, and you
hear this thing all the timedon't take any days off.
(04:44):
And you want to take your restdays, but, as rest days are very
important, but making sure thatyou're getting after it every
day, not taking a day forgranted because somebody else,
somebody else is not playing thesport that you're playing and
they're not gonna be able toplay it at that level.
So each level issue, go up.
It's.
It's just the grace of God.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (05:04):
Yeah, or somebody is playing that
position and takes it from youif you're not performing at your
best.
Yeah.
Landen Wallace (05:09):
You don't want to take any of it for granted.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (05:11):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Talking about, like, nutritionand performance, what role does
nutrition play in yourperformance on the field?
Like, can you walk us throughyour typical meal or snack
before and after a game?
Landen Wallace (05:23):
I mean, for me it was a bigger thing when I was
in high school.
When I'm in college, now, theykind of keep us on a meal plan
making sure that we're gettingthe right amount of protein in,
and stuff like that.
But, when you're in high schoolyou don't have like that coach
or that friends conditioningcoach telling you what you can
and can't eat, so you have to,like, make sure that you're
doing it on your own.
Me basically was making sure Iget three to four meals in,
(05:45):
making sure that my protein'shigh because and making sure
that I'm getting enough carbs in, because I mean you're on the
move, especially an athlete.
You're always working, you'realways burning carbs, you're
always burning everything, soyou have to make sure that you
put enough water in your body.
Water's a big thing.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (05:58):
Um, basically, just making sure you
get enough protein and enoughcarbs in yeah, and you know I
think a lot of people will laughat me, especially my athletes,
coming in and saying hey doc,you know, off season I'm ready,
so ready for the holidays I'mlike yo.
It's just as important, if notmore important than all season
nutrition as it is during seasonRight.
Landen Wallace (06:16):
Yeah, because now all season you're moving a
lot of weight all the time, soyou got to make sure you take
care of your body.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (06:21):
So you think , are you more cardio intense or
weight intense during the?
Landen Wallace (06:27):
season, during the season I'm more of, I want
my body to last, so I'm more Iguess you would say more cardio
intense.
Yeah, I would say so, it's amore.
It's not like in the season,like I'm moving weight, but I'm
moving a comfortable weight andI'm moving it fast because I
want't want my body to be taxedout.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (06:43):
Right.
Landen Wallace (06:43):
During the season.
I want it to last all 60 games.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (06:46):
Yeah, that's a lot of games.
Landen Wallace (06:48):
Oh yeah, that's a lot of doubleheaders too,
golly man and y'all's firstgame's coming up.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (06:53):
you told me 25th.
January 25th 25th of January.
Who are?
Landen Wallace (06:56):
y'all playing, we're Okay, yeah, so it's just
right up the road.
First game's a home game.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (07:04):
Nice Can't beat that.
That's good, I'm going to haveto come up and check that one
out, man.
Landen Wallace (07:08):
Oh yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (07:09):
So, personally, do you have any like
dietary restrictions whenyou're, let's say, right before
a game, and I don't mean like ohno, I can't eat that type of
food?
I mean like I'm going to stayaway from that because I know
it's going to hinder myperformance?
Landen Wallace (07:23):
I would stay away from any type of cheese or
anything like that before a game.
I try to just stay away fromthat because it upsets my
stomach, but I try to just lightstuff During a game day.
Rice is always good becauseit's lighter on you and it
sticks to your stomach.
Well, Just different.
Things like that, protein barsdifferent things Okay.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (07:43):
Okay, Keep it light.
Landen Wallace (07:46):
Yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (07:47):
Yeah, all right.
Do you work with anynutritionists at the college?
I know you said they have mealplans for you, but is there
somebody specific for yournutrition?
Landen Wallace (07:56):
No, not really.
Our coach just kind of justgives us advice because all of
our coaches play at thecollegiate level, so we kind of
just listen to them and ourstrength and conditioning coach,
but we really don't have anutritionist.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (08:07):
I got you.
I got you Any supplements thatyou take that helps you
personally.
Landen Wallace (08:12):
I just take protein.
I drink protein shakes.
I used to take creatine andstuff like that, but I just make
sure that I get my protein in.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (08:21):
Yeah, you got to be careful about all
those supplements, right.
Because, you never know wherethey're coming from.
First of all, how they'retested.
Yeah, you got to read thelabels.
Yeah, man, and you guysspecifically have to go with
InForm for sport, right, sporttested, yeah yeah.
That was one of the biggesttrends whenever I got into
sports med.
What 12 years ago was you know,an athlete's coming in and
(08:44):
they're like, okay, I can havethis, this, this and this that's
not tested for sport Can't haveany of that, that.
And then it got really big andnow I mean, you guys really
can't vary from those type ofsupplements.
Landen Wallace (08:57):
Yeah, I know, like at the certain, like in the
d1, like in the NCAA anddifferent things like that, like
you can't take certainpre-workout right?
Yeah, it's weird, it's justpre-workout.
It's crazy, right?
Dr. Brandon Hardin (09:06):
yeah, it's weird oh man, maybe putting some
something in there that's notsupposed to be.
You never know what about armcare and injury prevention?
Obviously I'm not going to putyou in a chokehold like I did,
that one guy telling him.
You have to tell him whereyou're coming.
But where do you go for yourarm care and injury prevention?
I go to Dr Harding man, that'smy guy.
(09:27):
There you go, man.
How did you transition to myoffice?
Landen Wallace (09:32):
I there you go, man.
How did you transition to myoffice?
I was battling a lot ofshoulder injuries for a really
long time throughout high schooland just hearing different
opinions and not really gettingan answer.
They're always wanting, youknow, surgery, a cortisone shot,
and I was like I don't want todo none of that stuff.
Yeah, seeing him online, seeingDr Harding online getting a lot
of good reviews, a lot of proguys go there, I was like all
(09:53):
right, I'm going to give him ashot, and never left since.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (09:56):
Yeah, if you notice all the listeners, I'll
have some pros on the show, butthe realism of it is not that my
pro guys are too busy to comeon, because they're not, they're
lazy.
I'm just kidding.
My collegiate guys aretypically in the developmental
stages of everything Nutrition,supplementation, lifting.
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Bodies are growing rapidly yeahman and you're playing 60 to 63
games a year, and then youroff-season, like we just said,
is super important, if not moreimportant.
Landen Wallace (10:33):
Yeah, off-season is a big thing.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (10:34):
Yeah.
And so when I get these guys on, these are the questions I like
for young people especially tohear and aspire to, because then
they'll get the chance to knowhey, all right, I can prepare in
high school now for mycollegiate years as an athlete.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
All the pro guys come on andthey're like, yeah, you know, I
got to buy me a new truck andgot a signing bonus.
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I'm like, yeah, man, I need oneof those too.
No, they play just as hard.
But yeah, there's something tobe said about college athletics
and obviously our pro guys hadto go through that to get there,
especially at the juniorcollege level.
Well, and obviously our pro guyshad to go through that to get
there, Especially at the juniorcollege level.
Well, and you know, inMississippi, especially dude-
yeah, juco baseball inMississippi is very competitive.
Landen Wallace (11:17):
Absolutely.
It's one of the most, I'd say,out of all the states in our
country.
It's probably the best.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (11:22):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
We've got to hype, Perk up.
Landen Wallace (11:25):
So the coaches at Perk aren't like I heard.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (11:27):
Dr Harden talking shit on that podcast.
Landen Wallace (11:29):
Nah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (11:30):
You know, Perk is great, but Jones is
better.
Landen Wallace (11:34):
Nah, that's okay .
We got a whole new coach at theGulf Coast.
It's a different tradition.
They're doing all the rightthings for us.
It's going to be prettyexciting this year.
We're going to shock a lot ofpeople.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (11:44):
Yeah, I think so too.
Now tell me, the baseball coachis newer to the college,
correct?
Landen Wallace (11:52):
Yeah, what's his name?
You're talking about our headcoach now yeah.
Yeah, it's Coach Zach Allen.
He was an assistant coach therefor a while, great coach.
Love that guy, coach Allen.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (12:02):
That's awesome man.
That's awesome.
So how many years has he beenhead coach?
Landen Wallace (12:07):
This is his first head coaching job.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (12:08):
That's what I thought, yeah his first head
coaching job.
Okay his first head coachingjob.
That's what I thought.
First head coaching job Okay,coach Allen.
Best of luck, buddy, I'm goingto have to come catch a few
games and watch my dudes play.
You know who's coming on theshow tomorrow.
Landen Wallace (12:18):
Is it Hambone, hambone?
Yes, sir my guy.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (12:21):
Yeah, I love treating these guys, man.
They'll all come into theoffice and we all just get to
talking and having a good time.
It's like for me being incollege again, which is always
fun, because now I'm just old,washed up and I live vicariously
through y'all.
You know, oh yeah, oh man.
So well, would you explain howcrucial prevention is to you in
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respect to how you play?
You know, like, if you misssomething, as far as your arm
care or some type of routine,that you're used to.
Landen Wallace (12:56):
How much does that?
How much does that mess you up?
Yeah, um, I would say like,because when I was in high
school, you know, I pitched, Iplayed both sides, I pitched and
I caught, so arm care was huge.
Like missing an arm care daylike could really hurt me.
As far as like tight thingslike that, um, I would say, just
make sure every day that youstick to a routine, because if
you can, especially when you'rein high school, like I said, you
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don't have that that push.
As far as coaching goes,everything's kind of on your own
.
If you can build a mindset towhere, every day going out doing
your bands, doing your longtoss, everything like that right
, um, even position players,making sure that you get that
stuff done, because it's goingto be way more beneficial for
when you get into college.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (13:38):
Yeah, yeah.
Landen Wallace (13:39):
Everything's going to become a lot easier.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (13:40):
Yeah, especially if you already have
that routine down, you know,yeah.
So tell us about yourdevelopment as a player, like
what were some of your mostcrucial moments or experiences
that helped you improve orbecome the player you are today,
or experiences that helped youimprove or become the player you
are today.
Landen Wallace (13:53):
So I didn't really start playing baseball
really like organized until myfreshman year.
Okay, that's kind of definitelya lot late, more than other
people.
A lot of people play whenthey're young, yeah rec league
and stuff like that.
Yeah, I mean I played in somerec leagues when I was in middle
school, but like nothing liketoo serious, I was just out
there having fun.
But the biggest moments for mewere obviously I was a freshman,
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I didn't start varsity, but Iwould always watch the guys
ahead of me.
That's always a big thing Ifyou've got guys that are in
front of you that you look up towatch how they play the game,
watch how they do the rightthings.
Then, leading on to mysophomore and junior year, is
when I started playing varsity.
The biggest moment I rememberwas my sophomore year facing
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Logan Forsythe, which was aMississippi State commit at the
time.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (14:39):
Yeah.
Landen Wallace (14:40):
And they told me my coaches hyped me up all year
saying I was going to be reallygood, and then it all hit me
and stepped in the box, blew 95past me and I was like this is
real, this is real.
This is real.
That's when I had to take astep back and really think about
.
You have to put all that hypeaside.
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It's good if people hype you up, but you have to stay humble.
You have to stay humble If youlet it get to you and you get a
big head in this game ofbaseball, really in any sport,
but especially in this game ofbaseball, really in any sport,
but especially in this game ofbaseball it will come back and
get you every single time.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (15:13):
Yeah, yeah.
So how did that go for you inthe future?
Now have you played against himsince?
Landen Wallace (15:20):
I haven't seen him since high school but I've
definitely seen a lot of otherguys that are good, especially
like me being in college.
Now Played South Alabama duringa fall game Same situation yeah
, Stepping into the box Almostseeing MLB type velocity.
It just makes you take a stepback.
It really does.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (15:39):
Does it hurt To get hit?
I mean in the pocket.
Landen Wallace (15:44):
Oh yeah, you catch it wrong.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (15:48):
Dude, I cannot imagine.
I bet it does man.
How long did it take for you?
Do you have calluses on yourhand now?
Landen Wallace (15:56):
I have some like right here but that's not
really from, that's just fromlifting.
Yeah, that's just from thebarbells.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (16:01):
It probably helps, though, oh yeah, it
doesn't hurt me as well.
Landen Wallace (16:05):
Oh man, you get used to it.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (16:07):
Yeah, no, definitely so.
Looking ahead at your futurebaseball plans, what are your
goals and aspirations?
Landen Wallace (16:15):
I'm going to finish my two years at Gulf
Coast and with the new JUCO rulenow, your two years at JUCO
don't count towards your fouryears at a Division I school, as
long as it's like NCAA school.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (16:29):
That's right , four years out of Division I
schools, which is like NCAAschool.
Landen Wallace (16:33):
That's right, but hoping that I go to like a
low Division I school likeSouthern Miss, south Alabama,
tulane, one of those schools.
I mean, if Mississippi Statecomes knocking at my door and
they're like, hey, we want youto come play for us, I'm going
to be like, yeah, I'll be thereyeah.
But the realistic goal is to goplay at a school like Southern
Miss or something like thatabsolutely listen it up to him.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (16:50):
I mean, you need to look at this guy right,
yeah, there we go.
Have you sent any uh film, oris that a thing in the past?
What are your thoughts on that?
Landen Wallace (16:58):
um, I'll say this, being in college now.
Um, it's good to like, I guessyou would say, to reach out to
certain coaches.
But, um, really, in high schoolI was always sending stuff to
coaches and everything like that.
Now I'm in high school and Imean now sending stuff to
coaches and everything like that.
Now I'm in high school, I meannow I'm in college and I see
people doing it to my coachesand it's kind of like you don't
want to overstep if you get whatI'm saying.
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If they know about you, they'regoing to know about you.
If you're good enough, they'regoing to know about you.
Everybody's going to know aboutyou.
So it's always good to reachout, because some high schools
go unturned, they aren't verygood.
I mean just like my high school.
I mean we weren't great.
We were okay, but we weren'tgreat.
But it's good.
It's kind of 50-50.
It's good to reach out, butdon't overstep.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (17:41):
There's a fine line.
Landen Wallace (17:42):
There has to be right, yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (17:43):
Because you're not the only one in the
film.
Oh yeah, man, Like Landon said,you know baseball in the state
of Mississippi.
As far as JUCO is concerned, Imean there's a lot of a lot on
the line really.
Oh yeah, I mean you guys aregetting picked up going to big
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schools, you're going to thepros.
How many people signed inMississippi out of JUCO to go to
a D1 school Do?
Landen Wallace (18:14):
you know, oh, there's a lot, there's a lot.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (18:16):
Numbers are high.
Landen Wallace (18:17):
I mean I just know, like in the past, like um,
when I was a senior at GulfCoast, gulf Coast signed eight
guys to D1.
That's just at one juniorcollege, eight guys.
Wow, and I'm sure many otherschools how?
Many in the program 35 usually35.
Yeah, you carry 35 during thespring Wow.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (18:38):
And eight of those.
That's a lot.
Landen Wallace (18:40):
That's a lot of talent.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (18:42):
Oh yeah, that's what that says, my gosh
man, do you have any doubts orhesitations about going to the
next level?
Landen Wallace (18:51):
I wouldn't say any like doubts, but I would say
hesitations, like justdifferent things, like because
everybody can attest on herethat plays sports you always ask
yourself am I good enough?
Mm-hmm Like am I good enough toplay at this certain level?
Dr. Brandon Hardin (19:02):
Like am I good enough to play at this
certain level?
You know what that tells me.
Landen Wallace (19:06):
That you're humble.
Oh yeah, you always want tokeep asking yourself, like just
to put in the work, becausethere's always somebody out
there that's better than you atwhat you do, especially in
sports.
Like there's going to besomebody that's going to for
your job.
That may be a little bit betterthan you, but you just got to
keep putting in your work to thebest of your abilities.
Be consistent.
Always being consistent is key.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (19:26):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Was there a defining momentthat made you realize that
baseball is the sport for you?
Landen Wallace (19:35):
I played a lot of different sports when I was
young and I played soccer when Iwas in middle school and kind
of just like there wasn't likethat passion, that drive for it,
like if something didn't get inmy way, it was was always like
I don't really want to play thisanymore, but it's like that's
every young person.
Well, this is terrible when Istarted playing baseball it's
like because, baseball, you failat this game so much.
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There's so much failure involvedto it.
So when I would fail, it'd belike I didn't get my feelings
about it.
It was just like the nextthey'd be the next game.
Yeah, I didn't there in myfeelings about it.
It was just like the next A-B,the next game.
There was no negativity with it.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (20:08):
Failure equals lesson.
Landen Wallace (20:09):
Oh yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (20:11):
Lesson equals learning, right?
Hey man?
That's what it's all about.
So tell us a little bit moreabout your training regimen.
As far as the actualweightlifting goes, I think
young guys, especially when theycome in here, they're like Doc,
am I too young to work out?
And you know, even my highschool kids, because there are a
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lot of high schools, let's faceit, who don't have strength and
conditioning coaches.
Their baseball coach, theirfootball coach or tennis coach
or whatever, are the ones whoare in the weight room and,
let's face it, those guys, a lotof them, don't even work out.
Landen Wallace (20:45):
Yeah, a lot of them don't.
They're just there to fill thevoid.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (20:49):
Yeah, and some of those schools may not
have the funds to pay strengthconditioning.
So what would you specifically,what would you tell these young
people who have it like that asfar as getting like a $10
membership at Club 4?
Would you suggest it?
Landen Wallace (21:05):
I would.
I definitely would suggest it,because I was that kid.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (21:07):
Yeah.
Landen Wallace (21:08):
We didn't have a strength and conditioning coach
at West Harrison.
I mean, our coaches did whatthey could.
You know they definitely got usbigger, they got us stronger,
they got us faster.
But as you go on, it gets to acertain point where you have to
start training for your sport.
There's different things,there's different movements
especially with baseball thatyou have to train for.
So I wouldn't necessarily justsay go in there, just throw 225
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on the bench and just startgoing crazy.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (21:34):
That's what I do every day.
Landen Wallace (21:35):
Yeah.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (21:37):
Just kidding .
Landen Wallace (21:39):
Yeah, I would definitely say, investing in a
gym membership to get startedand stuff like that is
definitely a good thing.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (21:46):
Now there's so many like ai you can punch in
.
Hey, I'm a 16 year old, uh,novice, uh workout athlete,
baseball, football, whatever youknow, write me a program and
that thing's just like now.
Is it good?
That's the question, you know.
But does it give them astarting point?
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Yeah, sure, so there's reallyno reason why, you know, young
people shouldn't be in the gym.
Now I'd say, if there wereother conditions, you know,
speaking medically, going on,then yeah, you'd be evaluated
for it.
But yeah, I'm with you, man,like, get in the gym, get geared
up, make sure you get enoughnutrition, and I know especially
young people.
Now, video games are huge andwith video games comes red
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fingers, which equals hotCheetos and crap like that.
Oh yeah, bad habits.
Landen Wallace (22:35):
Try to stay away from them.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (22:36):
Yeah, man, I mean because that's who you
develop into right.
You're like, all right, afterthis baseball game, I got to get
in my game and then you're inthe game until 2 in the morning
I game.
I gotta get in my game and thenyou're in the game till two in
the morning.
Landen Wallace (22:46):
I've seen those athletes too.
Oh yeah, they're everywhere.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (22:48):
So yeah, yeah, um.
How do you see the future ofsport, like the evolution of
sport?
Do you see, like we just talkedabout, used to you have to send
film because coaches aren'tgetting on the internet yeah I
know that seems like a novelidea, but it wasn't that long
ago.
um, where you know, athletes aresending film over and you do
have to review it.
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How do you see the evolution ofsport and do you think that
people are going to continue toget better, or are we at a halt?
What do you think?
Landen Wallace (23:18):
The game.
Every game, every sport isevolving every day.
Like there's new technology,everything is coming in
differently.
I feel like the talent is goingto keep improving.
It's just going to keepimproving because like there's
different things that are comingout.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (23:33):
You know every year about different
sports right that everybody justkind of buys into yeah so I
think it'll keep evolving yeah,you know, I had a pro soccer
player on here last week, whichwhich we'll publish his this
coming Friday, but I was talkingwith him about how many
resources we have now versusback when, let's see, I'm 38, so
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back when I played sportsversus now.
So, like my son, for examplehe's one of my sons is really
into basketball.
My middle son he loves thesport dude Well, he plays for of
my sons is really intobasketball.
My middle son he loves thesport.
Well, he plays for the school.
He also plays football.
He specializes in basketball, Iwould say, you know, as his
sport of choice.
So we have a coach that we'vehired outside of school to help
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him out.
Yeah, do you think that keepinga kid two questions keeping a
kid in all kinds of sports at ayounger age makes them more
well-rounded?
Should they specialize?
And the second question is doyou see kids being on the
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injured list because theyspecialize in a sport too early
on?
Landen Wallace (24:44):
It's definitely a lot.
It's a talked about question.
Uh, I would say, like at ayounger age.
Um, I think it's definitely agood thing to get your kids
involved in different sportsbecause it teaches them
different things.
Yeah, um, now, when they getolder and they start becoming
more mature, their body startsgrowing, they start um, just
really just mature all around.
I would, um, I would focus onthat one sport, like, sit down
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with them and be like hey, whatdo you really love?
And when they tell you that,okay, let's pursue this, and
just all your effort needs to gointo that one sport, because in
order to succeed in that sport,like if you want to make it pro
or even to the college level,you have to put in that work.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (25:23):
Yeah, absolutely you have to.
That's that consistency.
Again, yeah, absolutely youhave to.
That's the consistency again.
Landen Wallace (25:26):
Yeah, it's going to take up all your day.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (25:28):
For sure, man, absolutely, can you share
like your most memorablebaseball moment in your career
this far, or a person who shapedyour opinion.
Landen Wallace (25:43):
I would definitely say like I had a lot
of different role models thatshaped my opinion.
Yeah, I would definitely sayobviously my college coaches.
Now I would say definitely myhigh school coaches and just my
parents.
My parents really have beenreally supportive of me always,
no matter what I do, they reallystrive to give me the best life
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.
As far as sports goes andoutside of sports, yeah, that's
awesome.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (26:11):
It's so funny.
You hit on that because, like Isay, I had that professional
soccer player in here and that'sthe one thing he said is that
his parents, no matter what hewanted to do, they aspired for
him to do more and more and more, like if he wanted to quit
soccer today they'd be like,okay, why?
But we support your decision.
Landen Wallace (26:31):
Yeah, it's huge to have your parents in your
corner.
It okay why, but we supportyour decision.
Yeah, it's huge to have yourparents in your corner.
It's always huge because noteverybody is going to be in your
corner.
Yeah, but that's just part oflife in general, like if your
parents are in your corner, it'salways going to be good.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (26:42):
Yeah, I think more successful people
have a better outcome when theyhave people pushing them period
100%, 100%.
Landen Wallace (26:51):
You know, they stay driven.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (26:52):
Yeah, meaning you can't do it on your
own.
And those who do, theirmentality is just that they have
to keep going.
They have to be driven becausenobody else is helping them do
it.
Landen Wallace (27:05):
It's hard to stay driven when you're the only
person that cares about yourcareer.
Yeah, it's hard.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (27:11):
Absolutely is yeah.
So what advice would you giveany athletes aspiring to play in
your position?
Landen Wallace (27:17):
right now.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (27:18):
So let's say you're leaving JUCO and you're
going into D1.
Who wants your position?
Tell them right now what theyneed to get geared up and be
ready for.
Landen Wallace (27:31):
I would definitely say, as it's your uh,
as far as the physical aspectsgo, get in the weight room, get
your conditioning done, um, getyour body right, because
injuries can set you back, yep,a long time, yeah if you don't
take care of your body that'sright, that's exactly right.
And then I would definitely uhconsider you know the mental.
The mental side of it.
I mean, sports is very taxingon the mind, so you always want
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to have somebody that you cantalk to about how your day went
when you were at practice orsomething like that.
Like I'd sit down with my momfor an hour just talk about
practice.
And it really helped me outbecause it cleared my mind.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (28:06):
Helps you deal load for the day.
Landen Wallace (28:07):
Yeah it does.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (28:09):
I mean that's taxing to play ball.
You know a lot of people goingoh, these kids are just getting
to have fun.
Yeah, it is fun, but at the endof the day it's a job.
Landen Wallace (28:18):
Yeah, especially when you get to a higher level,
it starts to become a job Likeif you don't handle your
business you won't be there.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (28:25):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
You can't be first baseman andplaying on your phone.
No, and playing on your phone?
No, can't be a catcher.
Looking in the stands Nope, youknow what I'm saying.
So I've got this little funsegment that I like to do that I
just started.
It's called Rapid Fire, okay.
So on these questions, I've gotfive of them for you.
I just want you to answer rightoff the top of your head okay,
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okay, I'm ready.
He said okay, I'm ready.
What's your go-to pregameritual or superstition?
Landen Wallace (28:53):
I'd definitely say, listening to the same song,
yeah, like having success withthat same song, because you know
us being baseball players,we're superstitious.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:02):
I know.
Landen Wallace (29:02):
Superstitious, superstitious, very, that's what
I would say about that one,okay, okay.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:13):
Who's the toughest opponent you've ever
faced?
Landen Wallace (29:14):
on the field Logan.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:14):
Forsythe.
Okay, logan, if you'relistening to this, you've got to
help a buddy out.
Get him up there and let himplay with you again.
I think that would be awesome.
Go catch.
Landen Wallace (29:29):
If you weren't a collegiate baseball player,
what would you be doing?
Definitely just pursuing mysports medicine career.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:34):
Okay yeah, so what do you want to?
Landen Wallace (29:35):
do what you're sitting here doing right now.
Okay.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:38):
All right Well.
Landen Wallace (29:39):
I can help you there?
Dr. Brandon Hardin (29:41):
There you go .
What one skill on the field areyou still working to?
Landen Wallace (29:46):
improve being more vocal.
Yeah, communicate with myteammates, because if they can
trust you and you can trust them, everything's going to roll a
lot smoother on the field,especially with you and your
pitcher.
Yeah, you gotta trust eachother.
I mean your brother's out there.
You gotta have each other back,no matter what yeah, absolutely
.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (30:06):
I'm gonna give you a little piece of
advice there too.
You ever want to get married uh, One day yeah.
Communication is key.
Start now.
That's one thing that will saveyou your journey as far as
athletics and marriage.
There you go.
What's your favorite memory?
This is your last question.
What's your favorite memoryfrom baseball so far?
Landen Wallace (30:29):
I definitely would say, my first varsity game
under the lights 7 pm, mysophomore year in high school.
Yeah, yeah, it was a coming torealization like okay, it's
starting to get real.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (30:35):
you know, isn't that so much fun, man,
when you're in the spotlight?
This is your position, this iswhat you've been going for, this
is what you've been trainingfor.
And you finally get out thereand you're like look, I'm
getting goosebumps right now.
Landen Wallace (30:47):
Dude, it is there's no, there's no better
feeling, no it's not you.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (30:51):
I was doing bodybuilding and that's one
thing.
Like I had freaking COVID manand I remember those last nine
days before I got on stage, Iwas like I'm dying, literally
I'm dying.
I'm having to do cardio everyday.
I'm still lifting, I have COVID, I have these waves of am I
going to throw up?
Am I going to pass out?
You know, it's just like thatin any sport without COVID.
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You have those same feelingsyou know, and then you get there
and you're like there's nobetter feeling when it pays off.
Landen Wallace (31:20):
It's glorious right?
Yeah, man, Nothing better.
Dr. Brandon Hardin (31:22):
No, I love that, bro.
Hey, Landen, I appreciate youcoming on the show and I'm just
appreciative of your time.
I'm proud of you, man.
Stay motivated and healthythrough your career and, like
you told our audience, you guyslisten, if you need anything,
Hardin Sports Medicine I promiseyou you won't regret it.
If it's something that we cantake care of which are most
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things we got you if it'ssomething that we can't, then
we're honest and we'll tell youhey, we need you to go get this
evaluated somewhere else.
But the one thing I canguarantee you is that through
sport it's ever-evolving andthere are always going to be new
ventures for young guys likeyourself.
And if there are coaches outthere who are listening to this
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right now, you're going to wantthe guys I have on this show
because they are very committedindividuals, individuals and
they work very hard.
So again, landon, I wanted totell you that you're always
welcome here at Hardin SportsMedicine.
I appreciate you coming on theshow.
We look forward to seeing youat a D1 school after you finish
up with your JUCO career and welook forward to seeing you on
(32:29):
January 25th.
Sounds good, yeah, man.
Yeah, man, uh, like I alwayssay, you know sports is ever
changing.
Stick with it, stick to theplan, stay consistent and be
safe.
Everybody appreciate it.
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