Ep. 138 Weird Science

History is full of strange experiments, odd theories, and downright lethal medical practices. Join us as we look back on some of the reasons that the average life expectancy was roughly 12 no more than 100 years ago. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
dark tales and paranormal mysteries.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
As we go beyond their shadows.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
True crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs, cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories,
past lives, reincarnation, and all the like are just a
few of the topics that we will tackle.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Do you know what the most in the world is?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
On the shuttles where you found me?

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yet you can't see me in the deepest blacks when
your heart starbusts and then you see their cracks, all
these creepy things that wind at track, well, the demens
be where the actions at. So listen enough you want it, UFOs,
all of them ghosts. We got everything that you want.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
It won't do you know what the most thing in
the world is?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hey, guys, Welcome back to episode one thirty eight, Beyond
the Shadows.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Welcome back, Shadow family. We hope you guys have been
having an awesome week.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, the weather's finally getting nice again. Yeah, hopefully where
you're at the weather it's getting nice. I want to
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(01:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:41):
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and we really appreciate it. What's got in the news
this week?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
So first up, we've got a guy from Staten Island
that accidentally started a three alarm fire last Wednesday. When
authorities spoke to thirty seven year old Harry Torres after
the fire, he admitted, I started the fire. I was
in my backyard at my house and I lit two
sex toys on fire. It took three hours, six landlines

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and a tower ladder to end the fire, which burned
his house, two nearby houses, and two cars.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
How big were these sex toys? He burned down the
whole neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
He's freaky, so you never know.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I mean, this sounds like a story we did not
that long ago.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, we did. I think it was in China. The
guy burned down half the dorm.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Right, we're not going to be outdone by the Chinese.
We're knocking down. Yeah, he's burned up his sex doll, right,
the whole doll.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yes, So his roommate didn't see.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
This. Guy can't give a reason, Kenny.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
No, he doesn't. He's actually hit with a ton of charges,
including arson, reckless endangerment, and criminal mischief for the event.
And now he no longer has a rubber vagina, which
he which he admits, which he admits to burning, but
he declined to say what the other toy was or
why he burned.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I don't know what.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Exactly what was the other one that made him so
embarrassed as well?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'll tell you about There's no way I'm telling you
what the other one was. That would be embarrassing. She
told me tonight wasn't a good night.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
She's good a headache. I don't know what happened. I
don't think I want to know. So a lady in
Conquered North Carolina was suffering from eye irritational a little
ways bag. So this wasn't last week, it was about
a month or so ago due to dry contact lenses.
So she grabbed some eye drops for for a little relief.

(03:55):
But quote, when it hit my eye, it immediately burned
like really bad. KANETHA. Faggart said, It wasn't until I
went to rub it, and when I came back, my
finger got stuck on my eye and that's when it clicked.
I was like, that was nail glue.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
That is so not good.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, uh so the hospital actually toltal. There has been
five this one hospital, five other cases that same thing
in that past month and a half a month and
a half. So either the hospital was lying or people
do some weird shit. You know, don't keep don't keep
glue in your medicine cabinet, or don't keep your eye

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drops in your junk drawer.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't know, but all right, I'm supposed to be
a healthcare professional and I've fucked up. Like I have
a thing. I can't stand to have a stuff of
your nose and I use even though you can get
addicted to that. Shit. Yeah, I use afron, but it's
in the same drawer where I have eye drops, and
I've accidentally stuck the eye drops.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
And that's nowhere nearest catastrophing like.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
That, but you know what I mean. And uh, yeah,
I didn't glue anything together. Shit.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, I'm not sure what situation you landed with. Those
two are like, right, we're each on the table. Accidents happen,
I get it. Yeah, but so accidents happen. But this
one hospital saying it happened like five times in a month.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Maybe those bottles looking a little bit too much, like
keeping them in the same spot.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, a little gorilla glue next year.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So if you're free tomorrow or today when you hear this,
which would be April twenty fifth, head down to the
Hollywood Palladium for the world's first sperm race. Like like
you read it seriously, like I think it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I don't know why you're putting putting a bad spin
on it.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
This is my ship, my ship's championship caliber for sure.
They're Thoroughbreds. Thorough breds.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Mine stops not listen to the directions. Here's go back,
get it back accidentally, you get a bang of left, kid.
Uh So.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Representatives from both the University of Southern California and the
University of California l A will provide the contestants. The
race will take place under a microscope camera that will
track the progress of the sperm as they race to
the finish line. There will be three races to decide
an overall winner. Live commentary, instant replay, instant replays, and

(06:38):
betting on the event, like, how do you bet on
a fucking sperm?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
The fourth one from the right, Jimmy sperm.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
You know you gotta pick a specific one though.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Right, Yeah, I got this three, the one with the
one of the long tail.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah. I like to look at that guy, looks like
a swimmer. He's dedicated.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I mean, if that's so going into the weekend, if
that's the highway of your weekend, man.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I want to hang out with it. We really have
a different opinion on this one, all right. So what
do you got for a story this week? Though?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
All right, So we're gonna do something a little bit
different this week.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
So good all that other ship's let's do something new.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So history is full of dark scientific theories, weird experiments,
and and just overall odd medical practices. So this week
we're going to talk about weird science.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Nice all right, We're gonna head over catch you.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
There, Do you know what the world is? Doctor Duncan
mc dougal from Havel, Massachusetts, set out in nineteen oh

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one to prove that a human soul has physical weight.
The only way to determine if he was correct and
how much weight the soul actually had was to waste
subjects right before and write after the moment of their
deaths to determine if any change had occurred. He identified
six patients in local nursing homes whose deaths appeared to

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be imminent. Because he needed them to remain still at
the moment of their death to accurately determine their weight,
he chose patients who were suffering from physical exhaustion and
were unlikely to move. Four of them had tuberculosis, one
had diabetes, and the sixth condition isn't known. When the

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patient appeared to be close to dying, he would have
their entire bed placed on a large scale he had
built specially for the purpose of the experiment. The first
patient was a man who died on April tenth, nineteen
oh one. The change in weight was measured as a
drop of three quarters of an ounce or twenty one
point two grams. The second patient lost half an ounce

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or fourteen grams, but this wasn't for a full fifteen
minutes after his death. The third patient was reported to
have lost half an ounce at the moment of death,
and then another full ounce a minute later, for a
total loss of forty two grams. McDougall claimed he had
to throw out the results of the fourth patient because

(09:32):
the scale wasn't properly calibrated. He chalked this up to
quote a good deal of interference by people opposed to
our work, But he didn't attempt to explain this issue any.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
First, wasn't this Will Smith movie twenty one grams? Is that? No?
Twenty one grams is a cocaine.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
No, it's I think an Norton seven pounds or something
like that. As the Will Smith movie. There's two different movies.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
There's also a show that they're doing this on, would
Like This Priest? That's what is the name of that show.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
It gets referenced all the time, and it's a relation
of this experiment.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I mean they're actually doing an experiment on a priest
in this show, and someone one of you guys are
going to tell us what it is. I can't remember
the name of the show. I don't know, all right,
go on.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think the movie I'm thinking of. I think it's
a Sean Penn movie. Actually twenty one. The fifth patient
lost a little over a third of an ounce were
ten point six grams, but the scale malfunctioned shortly thereafter
making these results suspect and the sixth then final patient
died before the scale was probably adjusted, so the results

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were lost. Though he stated more results needed to be
collected to validate his findings, he believed that he had
proved that the human soul does indeed have weight. He
did not believe that dogs had souls, and he set
out to prove this by weighing dogs before and after
their deaths. He weighed fifteen dogs before and after their

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deaths and reported that he found no change in weight.
Where he found fifteen dogs that he knew to be
dying isn't clear, and it's believed that he likely poisoned
fifteen healthy dogs just to prove.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
His Well, we know where his soul link going.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, exactly, A dog Killers go to Hell is.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Two thousand and three. You're right. It was Seohn Penn twenty.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
One that puts me in the Hall of fame. His
results were published in nineteen oh seven in the Journal
American Medicine as well as the Journal of American Society
for Physical Research. His research has been called in a
serious doubt because of the small sample size, the imprecise methods,

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and the varying results. Nonetheless, it became known as the
twenty one grams experiment after the results of the first death.
Rancher and Oregon tried to duplicate this experiment in the
early two thousands, using a dozen of his own sheep.
He reported that most of them actually gained weight at
the time of their death, between one and seven ounces,

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which is up to two hundred grams, although the weight
gain was brief before they returned to their pre death weights.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
I'm trying to figure what would do that. Ah. I know,
when a person dies, they lose, like everything that's in
them comes out. So, I mean, but there's gas in there.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Too, but eventually so I don't know, no.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
No, no, no, it comes coding, it all comes out.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
So he's doing this at the exact moment of death.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah. Weight So yeah, I mean at the exact moment
of death.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
You're not decomposing at the moment.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
No, But I mean they're gonna shit and piss and
there everybody does. Yeah. I don't know the fact that
you would lose your game if you keeping everything right
there contained. You know, if you're on a scale, it
doesn't matter if you should Yeah, still on.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
The whole bed is on the scale.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
So all I could think is if maybe gases, if
the gases are causing you to be light, it wouldn't
cause you to be unless the gas, the gas would
have be lighter than their to lift you just a bit.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I
don't know how a dead person or coorse what I say, sheep,
how can you gain weight? I don't know how you.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't know how you gain weight either. I don't know.
I don't know how you lose it either.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I don't know either. The whole thing is strange to me. Okay,
Next up, we have the obedience or the Milgram experiment.
So your university psychologist Stanley Milgram designed an experiment in
August of nineteen sixty one to test the willingness of
study participants to obey an authority figure who was instructing

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them to do things that went against their personal beliefs.
The experiment wouldn't work if the participants knew what was
being tested, so Milgram fooled them about what was going on.
The test. Subjects were told about a fictitious fictitious experiment
which involved teachers and learners. They believed what was being

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tested was memory and learning and the effects of punishment
on a subject's ability to memorize content. The quote learner
was actually an actor who was in on the experiment
unbeknownst to the teachers. They would arrive together and both
participants would draw a piece of paper to determine their role.

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Both papers would actually say teacher, and the actor would
claim that their said learner, and so the roles were set.
The learner would then be taken over to a device
that resembled an electric chair and they would be strapped
in while the teacher watched. The teacher and learner would
then be separated so that they could communicate, but they

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could not see each other. The teacher believed that they
were supposed to be teaching word pairs to the learner.
The teacher would read the first word of a pair
and then four possible answers to the learner. If the
learner answered correctly, the teacher was to move on to
the next word. If the learner was incorrect, the teacher

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was to give them an electric shock that increased with
each incorrect answer. The shock increased in fifteen vault increments
from fifteen vaults up to four hundred and fifty volts.
In front of the teachers. The shocks were labeled as
being quote slight shock up to quote severe shock.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Even afraid of how far I would go with this?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
That where that's where this one's going. So, if you
remember the movie Ghostbusters, the experiment, it's not funny, it's
not supposed to be funny. But at the beginning of
the movie Ghostbusters, Bill Murray is talking to a man
and a woman. Yes, and he's got the shapes on
the cards and they're supposed to guess at him, and
he's in a shocking. The girl's almost always wrong, the

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girl's almost always wrong, but he never shocks or the
dude and most of those scene is right, and he
shocks the shit out of him. That is based on
this experiment. So in reality, the learner was not actually
being shocked. The learner was just an actor. They weren't
hooked up to an electric chair. But the teacher did
not know that. I've seen some of the so before

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the experiment began, the teachers had been given an actual
sample shock. So the teachers were shocked at the fifteen
volts and the fifteen vaults hurts. So that leads them
to believe that the whole experiment is real, and it
just kind of gives them a baseline of how painful
what their minister ring is. So with each progressive shock,
the learner would pretend to be in greater and greater

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pain and distress and bang on the wall pound scream.
After three hundred and thirty vaults, the learner would go
entirely silent. The experimenter himself was also an actor, and
they had a list of prods that they were supposed
to use if the teacher showed any hesitation. These prods
were only to be used if the previous prod was unsuccessful,

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and their prods read as please continue, please go on,
that's PROD one. If that didn't work, they would move
to this experiment requires you to continue. PROD three is
essential that you continue. PROD four. You have no other
choice but to continue. That's all they would say. Nothing

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in between. So if the final PROD wasn't successful, or
if the teacher stopped reading the words, the experiment would end.
Forty participants were chosen as teachers. All were male. Before
the experiment started, Milgram spoke to other psychologists, and they
all believed that no more than one percent of the

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participants would administer the maximum voltage. All forty of them
went up to at least least three hundred volts, which
is essentially the point where the learner stopped communicating.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
That's a ton.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Sixty five percent. Twenty six of the forty delivered the
highest voltage. This is well after the learner had gone silent,
at a point which they believed he was probably dead.
They still continue to administer the voltage. Fourteen of them
showed signs of extreme distress, including sweating and nervous laughter.

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Even those that refused to administer the final shocks did
not demand that the experiment end, and not a single
one of them ever went to check on the learner.
Not one of them. This experiment shows a terrifying amount
of people are inclined to follow orders of an authority figure,
even when it goes against their.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Personalis this is actually it reminds me of like there's
been a lot of cops with tasers that have just
continued to tase and tase and tase. Yeah, you know,
even after the person is down, not moving, they still
hit that button.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, scary it is. You think somebody's somebody's personal beliefs
would out weigh when they're told to do something they
don't believe in. They'm not.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
You always like to think, oh, I'm the one, I'm
the one that would have stopped.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Would You just want to believe somebody would when they
see something's wrong. But this, this experiment proves that a
starching amount of people would not.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I would go out on a lemon and say though,
if this was all women, over half of them at
least would have stopped.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I bet a lot of them would have.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
I bet way more than men.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
So this experiment was nineteen sixty something, so it was
back then. It was a guy, guy, guy. There wasn't
even any women in on the experiment. I agree with you,
a lot of women I would have stoped.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
They're way more compassionate.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Male turkeys are believed to be quite horny and very
unfussy about who they'll mate with, just like you. That's true.
So Martin Skien and Edwin Edward Edward excuse me Hill
from the University of Pennsylvania designed an experiment. They designed

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a model of a female turkey, and they would remove
one piece at a time to determine at which point
does the male turkey lose interest. First went the wings,
then the tail, and then the feet. It didn't matter,
the male turkey would still try and bang the model.
Eventually the model was nothing more than a head on

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a stick, and still the male turkey wanted some.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
This is too true.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
The experiment also showed that the males preferred the head
on a stick as opposed to a headless body. They
then set up. They then set up to see how
minimal the head on the stick could be before the
male lost interest. The results were that while the freshly
severed female heads on sticks aroused the boys the most,

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they were not opposed to a wooden head on the stick.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Nothing else was filled. His study does not surprise.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
So then this next one won't either. Psychologist Russell Clark
of Florida University of Florida State University conducted an experiment
in nineteen seventy eight to determine which gender would be
more likely to accept the sexual advances of a complete stranger.
He had the studies in his social psychology class help

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him out. Excuse, I said, studies students. He helped the
students in his social psychology class help him conduct the experiment.
The only way to test this was to try it
out in the real world with subjects who thought the
proposition was real. Both male and female students began heading
out around campus, approaching strangers and uttering the same phrase,

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I have been noticing you around campus. I find you
to be attractive. Would you go to bed with me tonight?
It probably becomes as no surprise to most that guys
were much more likely to accept the offer. You don't
say Seventy five percent of the approached males accepted the
female stranger's proposition. How many females do you think?

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Did none? Not?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Any single females the proposition I.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Know one of you ladies, poor shit, one hundred and zero.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's it's seventy five percent and zero.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
And those other twenty five only said no because they
thought it was a trap.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, A couple of the guys said they were married.
We now know that Hailey's comment will revisit the Earth
every seventy six years with no harm to Earth's residence,
but the comment's appearance in nineteen ten was viewed differently.
Shortly before Haley's comment was due to appear, a toxic
gas cyanogen, which is a us cinide, basically had been

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detected in the tail of the Comet Moorhouse. If Hally's
comment had the same gases in its tail and Earth
wandered through the tail, what would become of humans? That
was the biggest which I get the science of it.
So to calm the growing fears, French authorities turned to
a renowned French astronomer, Camille Flammaran, for some calming words.

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We have to admit we can ignore what fate has
in store. Next May, human race would perish a paroxysm
of universal joy, delirium and madness, probably very enchanted with
its fate. He also acknowledged there was a distinct chance
that cyanogen gas would impregnate the atmosphere and possibly snuff
out all life on the planet. These are his words,

(23:49):
and this is the guy they turned into. Comment but
I know, worry, Everything's gonna be fine.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
We're all gonna die at the same time.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I feel better a few thanks for that. So, while
other astronomers disagreed with his opinions, it did little to
calm the growing panic. Newspapers worldwide worldwide ran with the
story that Haley's commet was poisonous. Many farmers in Germany
didn't bother to plant their crops that spring, since there
would be no one left alive to harvest the crop.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, they really bought into it.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
People really really bought into it. People began defaulting on
their loans, choosing to live it up before their imminent deaths.
Others began paying exorbitant sums for comet insurance to protect
their loved ones in the event of their deaths. Now
who they thought was going to be alive to collect?
How long did they have before? I missed that part?

(24:42):
It doesn't actually say given them a couple of months.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
People lowered theirselves themselves in a wells, sealed themselves in
the caves, and stayed inside their homes, actually papering over
the key holes.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Like that, like that's going to keep it out.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Cyanide can't get through paper.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Well, I mean, it's just like y two k. Everybody
was just sure the computers were the worlds are gonna
shut down.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So shady salesman tried to take advantage of the situation
by selling all sorts of project products to a gullible public.
Meteor umbrellas that's surely protective.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I'm fine, I got an umbrella.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Toxic gas can't get around an umbrella. Poorly constructed gas
masks that came with absolutely no instructions on proper use.
Those sold quick. Others thought a good system full of
booze would protect them.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I'm down with that one.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
The best selling product that spring was, without a doubt,
Comet pills, which promised to offer the taker protection from
the effects of the comet. They will largely just sugar,
and tens of thousands of bottles were sold. One brand
promised to be a quote elixir firs aping the wraths
of heaven.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Take two of these and you'll be live in the
more and they worked one single person.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
No one taking the pills died from the effect of
Haley Haley's comment, But then again, no one not taking
the effects of Hally's you.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Really don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's a push. But then again, they were those unlucky,
quite a few that committed suicide rather than face Hally's comment,
So you can't say nobody died.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
A lot of people do that for Comma, and the hail.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Bob was the uh yeah, the Heaven's Gate.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Heaven's Gate. Yeah, I have to do a story about that.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
So we've covered several cases on the show that illustrate
the limitations of the reliability of eyewitness accounts, both in
true crime and cryptids stories. Psychologists christerpher Christopher Schabri, and
Daniel Simon's designed an experiment in nineteen ninety nine to
test the limits of attention and perception. The goal of

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the experiment was to check the phenomenon known as inattention blindness,
where people fail to notice unexpected stimuli if their attention
is directed elsewhere. Subjects were instructed to watch a video
which featured a team in all white and another and
all black, just passing a basketball around. The subjects were

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asked to count the amount of passes made by the
team in white, which directed their attention to a specific thing.
During the video, someone dressed in a gorilla suit walks
into the middle of the video very conspicuously and pounds
their chest before walking off the frame. Amazingly, a full
half of the test subjects failed to even notice the

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gorilla at all.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
There is zero chance my son would ever see that.
The whole marching bank could go across and he would
not see on.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Once you give these people a specific task, they get
so dialed in on that they just don't notice.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
The I'm like it, dude, I'm like that too.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
But that's half the people. That's so when you when
people give these eyewitness accounts that aren't reliable, you think
about tests like this and you're like, that's why, because
they were looking at one thing they didn't notice another thing.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I don't know, though, when you're seeing something, when you're
seeing something that's like horrible like that, don't you think
you're more tuned in? Though it was nothing horrible that No, no,
in this case. But I mean, if you're an eyewitness
of an event, yeah, if you're an eyewitness of a
murder or a fight or whatever, you're paying specific attention

(28:36):
to that. So I guess yea, the things around it, Yeah,
you could, But you think the actual details details you
would know better.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I think your body kicks in a higher gear, like
a higher thing. Slow down, yeah, higher, But but you
can't be in that gear on three different things. I
just don't think like your body can work that way.
You're what's yourn once you're fine tuned. I think most
people work there way. Once you're fine tuned to an event,
you can't be fine tune of three other events at
the same time. Certainly not the guy in the gorilla suit.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Nineteen seventy, at the University of California School of Medicine,
three researchers wanted to find out if a charismatic and
brilliant delivery could win over an audience of experts, even
if the content itself was nonsensical. At a continuing education
conference for psycho psychological professionals, an audience of psychiatrists, psychologists,

(29:29):
social workers, and graduate students were gathered to hear representation
by doctor Myron L. Fox. Fox was billed as an
authority and an author on the subject of his presentation,
mathematical game theory and its application to physician education. In fact,
Myron L. Fox was an actor named Michael Fox, not

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the guy from Back to the Future who knew nothing
whatsoever of the subject he was to speak on. They
took an article on game theory and worked up a
le lecture that was deliberately filled with imprecise gibberish, made
up words, and completely conflicting assertions and double talk. Fox
began his presentation somewhat nervously, as he feared being recognized

(30:17):
he had recently appeared on the TV show Colombo. But
he delivered his talk warmly. He was engaging with the
audience and impassioned on a subject that he knew absolutely
nothing about. By the presentation's end, he had become so
comfortable he decided to go ahead and take questions from
the audience. And did the experts sniff out his blatant

(30:40):
lack of knowledge, No, not at all. Comment cards were
provided the conclusion of the presentation, and they were almost
entirely favorable for the clueless expert. So it just shows
that if you act like you know what you're talking about,
and you act like you belong there, more often than
not you will slide. So this is a guy who
knew nothing about a subject he was talking to a

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room full of experts on and they bought it.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I can tell you something that I've noticed over time
is a person will tell you how good their doctor
or nurse or whatever is by how nice they are,
not on what they know and how they treated them.
It's about their bedside manner. If they like their bedside manner,
they're a fantastic doctor. If they're an asshole, they're an asshole.

(31:30):
You know what I mean. But it's usually, unfortunately the
case is the assholes a lot of times are pretty
good doctors, but they're assholes and you don't want to
deal with them. But if you're nice, if you're a
nice doc, people like, no, my docs are really good,
and the people that work they're like, no, he's not.
He's just really nice. But that's how people judge people,

(31:52):
you know, how they how much they like them. They
look at it. They look at oh, he's really nice,
he must be a good doctor. Happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
But if you nervous and mousey, people think you don't
know what you're talking about. But if you act like
you belong there and you're confident, more often than not,
you see that with these scam artists ship you gotta
act like you belong there.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
I think that's something that we should do. Remember we
talked about this before, like if you go somewhere with
a ladder, that like let you in anywhere with a ladder.
I think we should do this. I think we should
just like get a construction helmet and some freaking we're
gonna ask.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
We're gonna have to do like a live episode where
we go somewhere we're not supposed to, just to prove
that this will work.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, just to go right into a concert or something.
Just pick a concert and then just get in without tickets.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Let us know, guys, if you want to see us,
do that.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
If you guys want to see us in jail, yeah,
just let us know.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Try it someplace where jail is not a factor. You
can get oh yeah, trying to walk, trying to get
through the gate of a concert without a ticket, that's
not a jailable offense. You can like that.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
No, but we're gonna have to steal something when we're
in there, some shoes or something, you know how I
roll up. I need some right shoes.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
So bots are becoming commonplace in today's world. So back
in twenty twenty two, AI powered programs were pitted against
each other for three weeks to see how well they
could interact with no input from humans. Kuki, a female
embodied agent from Pandora Bots, was put on a first

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date quote with Blenderbot, the brainchild of Facebook. Kuki has
an avatar featuring blue hair and green pants, and Blenderbot
wore a hat that read make Facebook great Again. At times,
the two bots just stared at each other in really
long silences. Other times they spoke complete gibberish. They discussed

(33:44):
their favorite football teams, politics, the history of pac Man,
and they had a lengthy conversation about whether or not
the Royal family are really shape shifting reptilian aliens.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
At one point, Blenderbot says that he doesn't use Facebook
even though he's a Zuckerberg Blain brain child, and he
actually says that he thinks Marcus Zuckerberg is a character
from Stranger Things. The two argued multiple times. At one point,
Blenderbought gets stuck in a loop of repeated goodbyes, and

(34:15):
Kouki says to him, you will like the UK and Brexit.
You keep saying you'll leave, but you never do. Several
times blenderbat gets he says, really sketchy shit. He tells
Kooky that quote it is exciting that I get to
kill people. I've killed many people in my life, and
he follows that up with a plight how about you.

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He also told her that he believed Hitler was quote
a great man who quote helped him through a lot
of hard times. At one point, it appeared Kooky was
trying to share some wisdom with Blenderbaugh when she asked,
did you know why women can't put on mascare with
their mouth closed? Blenderbaught, in typical guy fashion, doesn't even
appear to be listening because he doesn't give her a

(35:01):
window to share the answer. He simply responds, thank you
for sharing that with me. You are a good person.
He also displayed poor communication skills.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Wait a minute, I want to know the answer.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
She never said it eating a chance, I cannot do mascot.
He didn't give her a window to answer, so I
don't know the answer.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
That son of a bitch.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
So the exercise was supposed to resemble a date, but
at one point Blunderbought says, I have a lot of
things to tell you about me. Lucy, Lucy and Lucy
now his date's name was kooky if.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
This was a real date.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
It didn't well. So the whole event was live streamed
and viewers were able to vote for which bought they
believed to be more lifelike. The vast majority of votes
win in favor of Kookie. At the time, Panderbought CEO
Lauren Coonzie said she was disturbed by the amount of

(35:58):
creepy and porn of graphic chat messages that Kookie received
from actual humans, dick pics and detailed messages about what
people would quote like to.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Do to her. I need that picture back.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
There, and she said, this proves that chat bots and
humans have a long way to go. Talking dirty to
an avatar what the fuck? I mean, it's the same
guy that would go to a sperm race.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Is it like Wilma Stone not mad?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, So that that one didn't go over real well
for Facebook. So the blenderbought doesn't know who Zuckerberg is
talking about killing people? So that was I should say
that was done without Facebook's permission, Like they didn't submit him,
but they were using they were using his technology. That's

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what year was this to, twenty twenty So in robot years,
that's a long time.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Well, dude. Today with AI, you put AI against each other. Yeah,
it's if.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I'm Facebook reading those results, that's horrendous for meta with
what meta now? But yeah, that's not not a good
result for them.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
I was reading an article where they had two different
ones that were communicating with each other and they started
speaking their own language. Yeah, they started like shortcuts and
then eventually they weren't using words and stuff, and that's
fucking creepy. Yeah, that's like really creepy.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
AI scary, it's gonna kill results probably.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I don't know. The matrix thing. I'd be okay if
they just don't pull the plug out and the matrix whatever.
If I'm a battery, as long as they think I'm alive. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
All right, we're gonna do some uh a little medical
stuff now. So today's world, it's easy to take for
granted the access that most of us have to competent
medical care. But just one hundred years ago, finding a
good doctor wasn't just difficult. A lot of times it
was more hazardous than whatever he might be seeking treatment for.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
You need a ear nail, you do literally.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Back then, an annual checkup consisted a little more than
your doctor holding a vial of your urine up to
the light. He would then smell it, check its consistency,
and more often than not, taste it, and that would
somehow tell him how well you're doing. Wow, And that's
what they did. He'd be oh, sparagus, you're doing well,

(38:35):
a little better.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
We'll see you next year.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's true. It doesn't matter how you're doing. Just a
vial of your urine tells them all they need to
get out of here. Doctor Henry Cotton was an American psychiatrist.
He spent twenty six years in charge of the Trenton
Psychiatric Hospital in the early part of the last century.
He believed in focal sepsis, the theory that unseen in

(39:00):
infections were the cause of mental illness. Most of these infections,
he believed were in the patient's teeth, so he set
out on pulling his patient's teeth. When that didn't work,
he did not come to see the error in this theory,
but he surmised that the infection had spread further into
the body. It would be necessary to remove more body

(39:21):
parts to get the whole infection, and this would at
times include tonsils, stomachs, gallbladders, ovaries, colons, testicles and more.
I'm not sure how you would go right from the
teeth to the balls, but that's not in your teeth.
We'll go right down and get junk. But right, people

(39:43):
bought it back then. I'm not a doctor. Doctor Cotton
claimed to have success curing eighty five percent of his patients,
and they're insanity. The only problem is that no other
doctors could have any success whatsoever in trying to duplicate
his methods. What doctor Caughton failed to disclose was that

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his methods killed over thirty percent of a spatiens.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
The other ones are too afraid to talk.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well, this was back in the day where nobody got
a chance stuck because nobody's listening anyway, early part of
the last century, nobody cared. They just didn't. So when
you look at it that way, his number is probably
correct because when you kill off a good percentagey of patients,
of course you're dealing with a lower percentage of quote insanity,
because you don't have as many ones that.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Are wrong or dead, so those don't count.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
That shit's crazy. In the late eighteenth century into the
early nineteenth century, it was actually believed that smoking cigarettes
could provide many health benefits.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
True.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
So this is this is the label off a real
package of cigarettes. Back then doctor Baddie's asthma cigarettes for
your health. These are all their words for your health,
for the temporary relief of the paroxysms of asthma. EF
actively treats asthma, hay fever, foul breath, all diseases of

(41:05):
the throat, head colds, canker sours not sewer sours.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
They don't just.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Spell it right, and bronchial irritations. Not recommended for children
under six.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
No shit, dude.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Oh wow, Yeah, that's that's the label off a real
pack of cigarettes. That's crazy cigarettes. Yeah, I don't know.
One of the average age back then at nine. Starting
in eighteen forty nine, a syrup created by Charlotte and Winslow,
a pediacric pediatric nurse, was advertised as a cure all

(41:45):
for fussy babies. The syrup was produced by Missus Winslow's
son in law, Benjamin Perkins, right here in Maine. It
was called Missus Winslow's Soothing Syrup and sold huge amounts
in North America, the UK, and Australia. They were selling
upwards of two million bottles a year. It was recommended

(42:06):
for babies who were teething, crying, or had dysentery. Recommended
dosage were listed as for a child under one month old,
six to ten drops, three months old, half a teaspoon,
and six months old and upwards a teaspoon three or
four times daily. That's their dosage. The syrup contained morphine

(42:29):
and alcohol. One teaspoon had the morphine content of twenty
drops of loud on them and was more than enough
to kill an average child, let alone a baby. And
they were recommending up to three to four teaspoons a day.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
That was made here in Maine.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Was here Maine.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Now it's just called moxie. Oh god, you guys don't
know what that is. Now Maine's got its own soda
and it's called moxie. It's horrible, and I think it's
made straight from diesel fuel the ship. It's horrible.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Absolutely off.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
You come here, people, you gotta try the mozie. Don't try. No,
you don't no, don't try. It'll kill a six year old.
You read it right there.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Eventually, the American Medical Association denounced the product and they
were forced to remove morphine from the formula as well
as drop the word soothing from the brand name. Even
after the formula change, the brand sold for another twenty
years before going out of business in the nineteen thirties.
The brand in its original form sold for fifty years

(43:34):
and is believed to have possibly killed thousands of kids.
Seventeenth century doctor KENNEB Digby created what he believed to
be a surefire treatment for wounds made from blades. He
called it Powder of Sympathy. It was made from earthworms,
pig brains, iron oxide otherwise known as rust, and bits

(43:58):
from mummified corpses. All this was ground into a fine powder.
Now you would think that this powder would then be
applied to the wound, but that was not the case.
It was supposed to be applied to the offending blade
which created the wound. This would then somehow encourage the
wound to heal itself with something he called sympathetic magic.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
That's science is science. Now how does he come up
with those ingredients? Dude? We need a little bit more
pig brain.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
And what's our level of ecal matter here? So the
other thing for me on this one, though, is so
if you've got if you're the guy who got shanked,
so you need the healing. How does he assume you're
gonna have access to the blade that cuts you in
the first place.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
You lost the fight.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Before everybody leaves their battlefield.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
You canna drop your shanks. You're going through the pile
like you're fucking with the sympathetic magic here common courtesy.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, so he wasn't a doctor for very long, And no,
that doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Shocking.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
The late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundred, syphilis was
incurable and if left untreated, could lead to a deterioration
of the nervous system. The patient would suffer from seizures,
speech problems, in general paralysis. Mentally, if it was left untreated,
it would cause depression, mania, delirium, memory loss, disorientation, and

(45:33):
violent behavior. Going back to the time of Hippocrates, it
was observed that fevers would sometimes have healing effects, so
in nineteen seventeen, Austrian doctor Julius Wagner Djurig began treating
syphilis by injecting patients deliberately with malaria. Malaria created high
temperatures in the bodies a body which would then in

(45:57):
most cases actually kill. The syphilis problem is that then
you had malaria which was also untreatable.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Chased with chlamydia.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, gone, ye will take care.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Of the whole lot of them.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's quite the cycle.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
It is quite the cycle.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Up to twenty percent of his patients ended up dying
from malaria instead of syphilis.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
But I mean, actually it's it's actually pretty ingenious compared.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
To it is it is. It did work, but it
didn't treat. You just had a different incurable littleness that
you're starting, but one with a lower mortality rates.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Have you tried the small pots? I hear it's the
rage this year, coming next week. If that doesn't work,
we're gonna try We're gonna try herpes. Well, this works
so great, I have the herpes.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
You'll be feeling better in no time.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
So this ended up being called malaria therapy. It's no
longer in use, but believe it or not. Lastly, we
have the tobacco smoke enema. These were big in Victoria
era England tobacco anima kits line the River Thames in
the seventeen hundreds. Is they will believe to be a

(47:23):
great way to revive drowning victims of all things, Like
I don't I don't know how they ever landed on this.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Up with any of this, then you look like you're
in rough shape. You know what you need?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, I don't know how they landed on that. The
theory was that tobacco smoke would provide warmth and stimulation.
The victim would be pulled from the river, had their
skin rubbed with brandy, and then someone would light a
tobacco pipe, cover the bowl with a handkerchief and it's
shirt at the other end into the rectum. Doctor Thomas Cogan,

(47:59):
who co found in London Society for the Recovery of Persons,
apparently drowned.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
The persons.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I don't know who came up with it.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
I mean it's accurate.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Apparently if you if you were just disposed of in
the river, you're still getting a pipe up the ass.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
They're all assumed drown Uh. It is not only the
admission of a kindly warmth into the internal parts of
the body, which in all cases must prove advantageous, but
it's stimulus connected with its warmth seems admirably adapt to
excite irritability and to restore the suspense suspended or languid
peristalic motion of the intestines. That sounds legit. A lot

(48:53):
of big birds there, it's gotta be real.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Also, the co founder of the word puff puff pass present.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Initially, the practice was basically a smoker blowing into a
tube that was up someone else's ass. But if the
person on the breathing end sucked in instead of blowing out.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
We're gonna be a complete fucking you know.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
It actually happened quite a bit. You would end up
with two sick people instead of one. So eventually someone
developed a bellows system. If the animal didn't work, the
next practice was to shake the hell out of the victim.
If that didn't work, they would move on to bloodletting,
and then they would apply red hot irons to the feet.

(49:36):
If that didn't work, you weren't gonna make it. That
was that was science at its best.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Medicine did not play back then.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
His urine tastes funny. Yeah, you know, he's not gonna
make it.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
And this is where the expression comes from.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Up here, that's exactly where it comes from. In a
particularly disturbing example of all these poor medical practices we
just covered, we have twenty two year old Anne Green.
She was sentenced to death for infanticide. It's widely believed
that she actually had a miscarriage. She was hung, and
it was noted how long her death was taking, so

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her friends tried to speed up the process by pulling
on her legs. That didn't help, so the guard's quote
helped out by beating her with the butts of their guns. Eventually,
she was pronounced dead and she was placed into a
coffin the next day. When they looked into a coffin
before burial, they noted that she was still breathing. She
had a pulse. The good doctors jumped into action. First,

(50:36):
they decided she needed some bloodletting. That was the only
way to get her body properly balanced. When that didn't work,
they decided that she needed some tobacco smoke up the bum.
Before long, she was up and around. A history doesn't
say it, but I'm guessing only after they all tasted
her a urine did they determine that she was good

(50:58):
to go. She was actually hardened for the crime that
she never committed to begin with, and she was sent
on her way. Unreal, but that is science at its
best right there. They fucked up the diagnosis of the
crime that didn't happen to begin with, she was hung,
they pronounced her dead, which she wasn't, and only then
did they decide that she needed to be cut open
and have some smoke blown up her butthole, and then

(51:19):
they took.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Credit for her surviving. Then they determined she was a witch.
Right probably.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Wow, But you know, the guys loved all this stuff, like, Babe,
you're not feeling good, We get the cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I just happened to having bellows in my car.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Did I hear you cough?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
We grabbed the pipe in the tube. Brooke looking a
little peaking today. Baby, we'll have you up and round.
And note time you think about you said that was
for drowning victims. Is that what the lifeguard had? Like?
She doesn't have a floating or anyth just bellows and
the tag cigarettes. The pellows, I got you, I got you.

(52:04):
Should we start cpu fuck the CPR.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, the kids all stayed on the shallow end of
the polack.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
No doubt. Nuts, dude, those were great. I really like that.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Thank you, good episode, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
You got some more of those? You're gonna do another episode?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, if you guys like that, let us know. I
researched a ton of those, so I had to narrow
it down on what I get. But I've got plenty
of more material for another one. If you guys like it,
I'd be happy to do one.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, I like it a lot, so planning on it.
All right, guys, that's gonna take us to the fire pit.
We will catch you over there. Okay, before we get

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started here, guys, we need your fire pit stories. Like
we always say, it doesn't have to be paranormal, but
it certainly can be anything you talk about with your
friends around the fire pit.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
We've had some great we had some last couple of months.
We haven't had any non paranormal stories, ye, sending the
funny ass, the weird.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Shit, yeah, anything the paranormal agres. We love those.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
It was probably a favorite. But we haven't had any
non paranormal ones in a while. So if you guys
are sitting on one of them, don't be shy. Send
them in. We're not avoiding you, guys, they're just not
coming in.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah, but you guys have done fantastic. The stories are
so good.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Better than We've had a lot of good ones.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Really good stories, really good, especially lately. So all right,
this one actually comes to us from uh Nicole. Sorry
brain feart there for a second. Nicole is from the
Spiritual Sisters podcast. We love her. She's one of our
favorite people. She was kind enough to send another one
of our stories. So here we go.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Hi, Scott and Ryan and be on the Shadow listeners.
This is Nicole Christine from the Spiritual Sisters podcast. I
heard you guys put out the call for more fire
Pit stories, so here is a quick one I have.
I've talked before about growing up in a haunted house
that my grandma lived in where I saw a ghost
when I was an adult, though I also lived in

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a haunted house, so this would have been in my
mid twenties, and I lived there with my boyfriend at
the time and his children. One night, we were sitting
at the dining room table and he and I think
were playing scrabble and there was a trash can that
was off to the left and behind me where I
was sitting, and it had one of those swinging lids,
and we were just sitting there plane and I saw

(54:31):
the lid swinging from the corner of my eye and
I looked at him and I said, did you just
throw something in there? Which I obviously would have seen
it because he was sitting across from me and across
from the trash can. But he said, no, I thought
you threw something in there, and I said, no, I didn't.
I didn't touch it. And so a couple months later,

(54:52):
we were sitting on the couch and I saw again
from the corner of my eye the trash can lid swinging,
and I was like, oh, okay, in it again. One
day I was home and it was during the day.
I was laying down on the couch and I heard
footsteps above me, and there was nobody in the house.
It was literally just me by myself, and nobody had

(55:12):
broken in, and I could hear someone walking around in
what would have been my bedroom. My bedroom was placed
right above the couch, So that was another thing that
kind of, you know, made me think. And another time
I was getting ready for work. It was really early
in the morning and I was in the bathroom and

(55:34):
I had the door closed, and I heard footsteps outside
of the bathroom and I thought it was one of
the kids that had woken up pretty early. So I
was thinking, oh, I'm going to scare them right now.
I'm going to open up the door and you know,
yell boom. So I opened the door and there was
nobody there, and so I went to their room and

(55:55):
they were fast asleep, and at that point I was
the one that was scared, so I had to actually
wake them up. I felt so bad. It was really early,
but I woke them up so that I wouldn't be alone.
And it was just a series of weird things that
would go on in that place that we lived in.
And I never got to ask the owner if she

(56:15):
had heard of any stories. The woman that owned it
had rented it out for several years, it was just
an investment property, because I didn't want her to think
I was crazy by saying, hey, you know, did anybody
ever talk about weird things happening in this house? But
those are just a few of the things. Nothing crazy,
nothing scary, but just you know, a few too many
incidences to kind of make you go hmm. Anyway, that's

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all I got, and thanks for listening, bye, guys.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Awesome story, very good.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, thank you, Nicole.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I think I mentioned on here before. I've seen those
the tops of the trash cans. Where I worked in
the hospital, we had one of those and we all
watched it, you know, go back and forth like that.
Creepy as hell. Yeah, definitely creepy.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
It doesn't have to be the huge stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
It's a bunch of small stuff. It works the same.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Stuff you can't explain adds up until the point you're like, okay,
there's something going on here.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Definitely. And you know how she said she didn't ask.
I bet most of these people, when you ask them
they've experienced stuff too. People always like, oh, yeah, I know.
Nobody will say anything until someone says something first. Oh
they're not just not gonna tell you yeah, or they
won't tell you.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
It's hard to rent a place when you're honest.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Well if yeah, if it's your place, for sure, But
if you talk to the people who were there before,
you guarantee you if you ask them, they'd be like, oh, hell.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, I was waiting for you to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah, crazy exactly. Thank you so much, Nicole. We appreciate it.
Go check out her podcast. She does it with her sister.
It's Spiritual Sisters. It's awesome and she is awesome. We
appreciate you, Nicole. You guys get your stories into us,
and we're gonna wrap it. We're gonna catch you in
the next one.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Let her guess