Ep. 143 Trial By Fire: The Devil Made Me Do It

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
dark tales and paranormal mysteries.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
As we go Beyond the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation and
all the like are.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Do you know what the most in the world is?

Speaker 4 (00:42):
On the shuttles where you found me at you can't
see me in the deepest blacks when your heart starbus
and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
that you why a track for the defense be where
the actions act. So this enough you want it, UFOs,
all the ghosts. We got everything that you want.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
It won't do you know what the thing in the
world is?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Hey, guys, welcome back to episode one forty three of
Beyond the Shadows.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Welcome back Shadow Army.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
So we got quite a bit of a response on
the last episode, a lot of comments and stuff on.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Spotify, a lot of chit chat that was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Guys, Yeah, it's great hearing from you, guys. The poll
came up and it looks like fifty five point six
percent the majority believes that Granger left with aliens, and
then it went twenty two percent. Blown up by lightning
or just blew himself up is another twenty two percent.

(01:42):
Nobody thinks he skipped down. So I think I think
he was blown up. I think lightning struck his car
and blew up the blew up dynamite in his card.
That's what I That's the one I leaned towards.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I didn't vote, but I think he blew himself up.
Whether intentional or not, I don't know. I think he
blew himself up. But we appreciate you. It's taken the
time to vote very much.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, we really appreciate. We'll try to do a poll
for this next episode too.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
And actually I was gonna tell you before I started.
You guys don't know, but I just bought a piece
of u. I spought a piece of land up north
in Maine, on the lake. So I went up there
this week and it happened. Dude. I brought up my
kayak just so I could check out the water because
I've been on the water or anything like that. Yeah,
So I took the kayak out on the water. But

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right before I took it out, i'd been sitting out
next to that outbuilding I have here. Yeah, I just
dragged it up and as soon as I flip it over,
there's a fucking wasp nest inside of it, like a
couple of them. So I squished them real quick, and
there was actually wasp in there. They made the whole trip.
It's like a three and a half hour ride from here.
They made the whole trip up there. They're still in there,
but I killed them, squished the net, the whole thing,

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and then I put it on the water because I
had to go check. I wanted to check out the
water to see what the you know, how things were
out front of it. Yep. And I get out about
twenty feet off shore and fucking spider. Oh ah, dude,
I got a fucking spider bite on the back of
my fucking leg. And I thought it was a wasp
at first because I killed those the nests of them whatever,

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And I move my leg real quick. It's hanging over
the side of the kayak and trying to look at it.
But there's a fucking I am eighty percent sure it's
a brown recluse. Yeah, And I have a spot on
my leg where it possibly could be. It looks like
it might get infected. It isn't yet.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I've heard they made their way to mean now, the
black Widows. The Black Widows definitely did.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
But the fucker was it bit me and then when
I lifted my leg up, it was biting the fucking kayak.
It was like driving his fangs into the kayak like
two or three times, and I'm like, what the fuck?
And I tried to I killed it once, I killed
it once, I killed it a lot. I killed that
fucker constantly until the lake is I had a it

(03:59):
was either it was either killed a spider or jumping
the lake. I would have jumped in the lake in
a heart, dude. But the bottom of that lake, right
there where I'm at, it's got like probably four six
inches of muck on the bottom. I don't care. I'll
take drowning over it. I'm not a big fan of
the muck. I brought it back and my brother, My
brother was up there with me, and he's convinced that

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it was about the size of a penny. But if
a penny's the size of a fucking frisbee, maybe it
was a big all right, this is maybe a quarter.
The fucker got me, though, I don't know. We'll find
out here in LA a week or so if my
leg starts to rot off, if it was actually a
fucking recluse or not.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
We'll show you, guys pictures of Scot's detached lakes.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Next, a little This is a little bump right now,
but it's almost like a pimple. It looks like it's
in fact, it might be getting infect We'll see. Spider
was the size of a dinner plate. I swear huge. Huge.
You've seen aliens, right, you know that thing that comes
up and wraps around your face. It was bigger than that.
It busted out of his chest. Was so gross, And

(04:59):
I didn't not sitting on the fucking kayak when I
went out. It must have been on the bottom.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
When you're trapped in close with him, it's different, so gross.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
It sucks when I'm out in the middle of the
fucking lake. When I get bit. You know, of course,
you you fucking helpless out I am. Anyways, if I
jump in, I can't swim for shit anyway.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
You squealed like a little girl, for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh dude, I've been bitching about it. It happened two
days ago. I haven't stopped bitching about it since. I'm
told everybody. Now I'm telling all you such a sissy.
I would have done the same. Not my thing. It
could have been one of those mon duro fucking parachute.
You would have known that it may have made came
in early on the shoot and maybe rolled that shoot

(05:41):
up and tucked it away.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
It would have landed on your head in the middle
of the lake. That's where those things were.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Gross.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm gonna see you on the summer and I'm gonna
I'm gonna bitch a big time. It's gonna be brutal.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I'm going up to fucking I got that backpack for spray,
and I'm gonna fucking nuke the place. Nothing's gonna be
able to live up there.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's brutal.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Sorry, but when we get in the news today, so.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
We get a dollar General store that was rubbed in
gulp Fort, Mississippi on May twelfth by a woman brandishing
a gun. She demanded the money and got into an
altercation with an employee before fleeing the scene. Police were
called out to investigate the crime, but they didn't have
to bother going out to look for the suspect. She
came to them, thirty four year old Jasenia fey Easel.

(06:30):
She actually returned to the scene of the crime while
police were on the scene investigating to retrieve the cell
phone that she dropped during the robbery.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
This how many times has this come up with us?
So many times people returned to the scene for something
they forgotten, normally a cell phone. I guess you almost
have to. I mean, you don't have to return for it.
But if it's your cell phone, they're gonna find you anyway.
But can they get in it.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Most cell phones, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
If they can say it didn't say it was an iPhone.
But I mean, if they can hack it, of course
they're gonna know who it was.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
But I don't know. I don't know. But but returning
for the phone when there is not.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
A great idea regardless, you went from maybe they're gonna
find you to they're definitely gonna fucking find you.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh. She's been charged with one count of armed.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Robbery and is being held on one hundred thousand dollars bond.
On June fourteenth, the Carolina Foothills Resort Buck Creek Streak
will be held. It's a clothing optional five k race
that takes place entirely within the confines of a private
community and a new dist colony.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Dude, fire, all that's gonna be is fucking nutsacks and
floppy cocks going all up. So that's what I was saying.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
You can't run a five k naked at your age.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
You're gonna trys, totally gonna stumble. It's just gonna be
slapping side to side. It's gonna be discuss that's all
you're gonna hear. Smack, what is that? No idea whole
fucking hurdle. And it's generally the people that nobody would

(08:09):
ever want to see, Nobody do it. The nutice are
never attracting, you know, they're not in their prime. No,
they're gonna have to throw their balls up over their shoulder.
Hey I'm naked. Look nobody loosed them on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
This This would be the eleventh annual running of the race,
and actually this year there's one hundred and sixty one
people sign up. There's something like twelve The.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
First year, So yeah, it's getting bigger every yearn mess
out guys.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Thirty nine year old n Cole Brown is a police
officer in Westminster, California. When she was injured on the job.
She took over six hundred thousand dollars worth of disability
payments over the years because she was no longer able
to work, but she was able to go skiing, scuba diving,
run multiple five k i more. The doctors who examined

(09:02):
her right after injury found nothing wrong, but she complained
of headaches, dizziness, sensitivity the light and noise, and problems
processing her thoughts. So it only makes sense that she
go to a super loud music festival and get hammered
what she did at stagecoach. Less than a year after
the incident, she's been charged with fifteen felonies, is facing

(09:26):
and is facing up to twenty two years in prison.
Her stepfather, Peter Schumann, is a licensed attorney in California,
and he too has been charged because he helped her
processor fraud. Wow, people are not smart about this.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Guy, not at all.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
It wasn't long after her settlement that she's at a
fucking big festival just headbanging hammered and basically everything that
was in her form that I can't do this affects me,
blah blah, she was doing all of it.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Dude, I didn't even see this story. Did you send
me this?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah I did.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I didn't get it. No, that's nuts, said, I don't
know anything about it. But not smart, No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Lastly, we have a kindergarten student in Pennsylvania who brought
treats into school for some of their fellow students. It
turns out that these treats were actually jello shots and
they were given out to three other students.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Little billion knows at a party.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Right. The students were transported to local hospitals just out
of an abundance of caution. They don't think they actually ate.
They didn't drink eight right, eat the alcohol.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Right, it's I mean, at six years old, this stuff
just tastes gross, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, they would have done.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
They wouldn't have liked them anyways, But.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
The Greater Johnstown School District says not to worry. It's
an isolated incident. So it's good to know that the
six year old's drinking at their school. It doesn't happen
that often.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's right. It's on occasion especially, it's just on the weekends.
It's not a regular thing. Like they say, they don't
know where they came from. That's a parent right now, Like.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's almost got to be. So they are investigating right now.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Now that came from someone, It came from the home.
So is that the news? That's what we got, all right?
So what are you doing your story on today, Bob?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Uh? So?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know I love the horror movies. So we're gonna
do the backstory behind the Conjuring three this week. So
it's uh, it's gonna be called the Trial by Fire.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
The devil made me do it nice. So we've done
Conjuring one and two, right, Uh, we've talked about the
Conjuring one. We've never delved into it. We haven't done
the Conjuring one. I did.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
I did the.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Conjuring two, which was the Enfield Poulter guys. That was
episode twenty three, I believe. And I started looking into
this because, uh, Conjuring four comes out Labor Day this year,
and I was looking into that one and I'm definitely
gonna do that one, right, but I decided, you know,
I was looking at it like, I get to the
Conjuring three first.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
So that's right, And we still haven't done anything with
our visit to the content and that's why we haven't
done that. Definitely will yeah, Tie Tie, it's coming, buddy.
I don't know when, but yeah, we'll definitely get something.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
So this one is actually it's it's a demonic possession,
which we haven't done a whole lot of no, and
it's got a murder with it, so it's it's it's
it's a subject that's on our genre we just haven't covered.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I think we even mentioned it in our our intro possession.
Uh do we not? Yeah? I think we do.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I remember the flo I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Maybe we do. But you know, I've looked into some
uh like, uh, what do you call it? Yeah, exorcisms,
And the problem the reason I haven't done many is
because the ones I looked into looks so much like
mental health.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
There's not a lot of documentation to most of them,
and I've looked to know them too, and then there's
probably been some legit ones, but the documentation is weak
and it doesn't make for a great episode.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
No, And I think if you were to do one,
it would have to be like several.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, you'd have to do.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
You'd have to do, like to get enough out of one.
When I look at a few of them, Yeah, and uh,
it's just like when when you're hearing it and or
reading about it whatever you like, this is some of
these are just straight up mental health shit.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, Hollywood, not all of them. Hollywood makes them sound
fascinating and then you get into the backstory on a
lot of them and there's just not that much there.
But you know, Hollywood gets really creative with shit.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh yeah, for sure, and they did with this one too. Well. Yeah,
it's conjuring, so all right, awesome looking forward to it.
Do you know what the world is?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
In nineteen eighty one, the defense of demonic possession was
used for the first time in an American courtroom. The
defendant was charged with capital murder. The defendant's name was
Arnie Cheyenne Johnson, but to tell his story properly, we
need to go back almost a year and start not
with Arnie, but with his eleven year old soon to

(14:16):
be brother in law, David Glatzel. David Glatzoll was born
in nineteen seventy and he grew up in Brookfield, Connecticut.
He was the youngest of four kids. Sister deb was
twenty six, Karl was fifteen, Allen was the middle brother,
and David was eleven. Deb was dating nineteen year old

(14:38):
Arnie Johnson, and together they found a house in Newtown
they were going to move into together. They had plans
to wed the following spring. On July second of nineteen eighty,
the three Glatzo boys went out to the new house
along with their mother, Judy, to help Debbie and Arnie
get the house cleaned up and things ready to get
moved in. Debbie assigned to each of her brothers a

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different chore. David was given a broom and sent off
to sweep the master bedroom. He would later say about
the house that right from the gigo, it was quote
a weird house. There was just something off about it.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
All right, let me make sure I get this right
before you go further, because in my head, I'm like,
Debbie's a sister, and then she's the one that's with
a guy buying a house. Yes, hey, all right, so
then the family's coming to help her with her house.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Debbie is the oldest Colassal child. She's dating Arnie. She
has three younger brothers got it and they're helping her. Yes,
they're helping her clean her house and her and Arnie
getting ready to move in. The previous tenants had left
their bed behind in the master bedroom. The landlords had
yet to come out and remove it, so David was

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just told to sweep around it. David was left alone
with his chore, but it wasn't long before he left
the house in a panic, and he insisted to his
mother that they need to leave right away. He didn't
say anything about out at the time what had scared
him so badly. It wasn't until that night at dinner
that David explained that while he was sleeping, he felt

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like he was not alone. He was knocked backwards onto
the bed and he saw what he described as an
image of someone wearing a devil like Halloween costume with
eyes that were cold black. These are his words. The
specter warned him to quote beware because it wanted his
soul and it was going to come for him. The

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figure also warned him that if his family did rent
that home, that they too would be in danger. The family, however,
did not believe him, and they dismissed his story. Later
that night, as he lay in bed, he could feel
that something was coming to the house to get him. So,
the way he describes it, it's almost like he's seeing

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through that being's eyes, so he can see the vision
of something other than him self. So he sees something
coming towards his own house. That's the way he describes
it in his dreams, that's what he saw in his
own house had he seeing someone else's vision. When he
looked out of the window, he saw a dark figure

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in the tree line looking back at him. A tweet
fire truck next to him suddenly lit up all on
its own for a few seconds, so then when he
looked back towards the tree line, the figure was gone.
Arnie and Debbie now had reservations about moving into their
new house after hearing David's fears, but they returned to
the house the following day and continued cleaning, so they

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decided they weren't going to go ahead and move in.
They weren't going to let an imagined ghost cost them
their dream house. But when they opened the front door
and saw what they believed to be scratches all along
the glass storm door that weren't there the day before,
they changed their minds. They grabbed the things that they
had already moved in, and they headed back to the

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Glatzol family home. Mother Judy, a religious woman, called their
family priest. Father Dennis, came out to bless of the
house in hopes that it would put an end to
the events.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Would that run you off from a house? Me?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
No, no, me either.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
No.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I mean I could see a lot of things running
me off, But that alone.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
My little brother having seen something that I didn't see.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
No, no.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
So he went through the house with incense and holy water.
He need blessed every room. So they thought this would
probably end it. David woke up in the middle of
that very night screaming, He's coming from me. The rest
of the family also woke up, and in that moment
they all felt the house begin to shake and rumble.
Rumbling lasted about forty seconds, with the lights flashing on

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and off, according to all accounts, before all fell silent.
A neighbor recommended some paranormal investigators to the family, and
it's at this point that the Warrens entered the story.
Ed Warren was a self described demonologist, wife Lorraine was
a clairvoyant, and together they had investigated hundreds of haunted houses.

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Up until this point, the family had not contacted a
doctor for David, so when the Warrens first came out,
they brought one with them. Of course they did, absolutely.
It was about twelve days after the original incident when
the Warrens first met David. The doctor didn't find anything
medically or mentally wrong with David. David was able to

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tell Ed Warren that he had tripped on his way
up the stairs into the house, even though David had
not been near the door to see so. When Ed
asked him how he knew this, David Rubbah replied, the
Beast told me. While meeting with the family, Ed asked
the families a series of questions while recording on a
tape recorder. The family recounts what they had seen and experienced,

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and how they've recently witnessed David being physically attacked by
an unseen assailant. At one point, Ed challenges the entity
to make its presence known by banging on the table
three times. Initially, nothing happens, and then Ed suggests that
maybe the beast lacks the power to do so, and then,

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according to those presents present, the lights began to flicker,
the house shook, and three loud bangs sounded out. While
this was going on, the Rain walked around the house,
trying to pick up on any sensations. She walks up
to Ed and in a voice the whole family could hear,
said that there was a large, dark, evil entity standing

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right next to David. The Warrants concluded that it was
not a ghost but a demonic entity, and that an
exorcism would definitely be necessary.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
That's the thing with the Warrants, right, everything went from
being a ghost automatically being a demon.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, So their career spans back to the sixties, even
maybe the late fifties. But after I've always said about
the Warrens, and it's if you look back over their
case history, it's true. After The Exorcist came out in
nineteen seventy three, everything went from a haunting to a
demonic demonic. Absolutely, It's like they decided they had to
raise or haunting wasn't going to do it anymore. They

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had to raise the book.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
If you guys go back and you've listened to you
get our judgment on the Warrens. We're not big fans
of the warrants, but it doesn't mean that we believe
everything that they're involved in wasn't a true haunting, but.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
We do cover them in detail. So, yeah, episodes eighteen, nineteen,
and twenty was the Amityville. Episode twenty three was in
Field Poltageist. We've covered them multiple times.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
They were in the haunting in Connecticut, which was yeah,
episode six. Yeah, and so we've covered them a lot. So, yeah,
they come up a lot. So if you haven't heard,
you can go back and listen to those.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
So ed explained that David was in the present's oppression
stage of a haunting at this point, and that full
possession would be next. He explained what a possessed person
might experience and or do inexplicably, he explained all of
this or right in front of David. He told the
family he would contact the church on their behalf, and

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that they needed document all the evidence they could so
they could present it to the church. The family bought
a tape recorder and a polaroid to document any phenomenon.
It was at this point that David started acting strangely,
and it exhibited the exact same symptoms that ed Warn
had just described. There's a good deal of audio tapes

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and photographs from this period, and if there's anything to them,
hits up to interpretation. They're out there, they can be found, right,
I'll find them. David attacked multiple family members, and so
they began to watch him in shifts. He frequently suffered
bruises with no known cause, and he would recite Bible
passages in quotes from Paradise Lost in a voice other

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than his own. He would hiss, scream, giggle, and frequently
speak of death and stabbings. When trying to sleep, he
would suffer from night terrors and he would wake up screaming.
When the Warrens came back out to the house, they'd
listened to the tapes, they viewed the photos, and they
spoke with the family, and they determined that David had

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now become possessed, and he wasn't possessed by a single demon,
but by forty two of them. This is by the
Warrens again again raising the bar a lot. The Catholic
Church gave their permission at this point for an exorcism
to take place. Most tellings of the story, and there's

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a lot. When he look on the story, there's one
hundreds of versions, all different. But most tellings of the
story now have an exorcism taken place, but there were
not one. There were a bunch. They skip over the
first couple. There were actually three initial unsuccessful exorcisms that
take place. These exorcisms all take place at the Glatzow

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family home, frequently with David sitting in an old rocking chair.
During these exorcisms, Lorraine Warren asserts that David would levitate,
speak in tongues, cease breathing, and even predict future events.
The rocking chair, when David wasn't in it was said
to have rocked continuously on its own, and David and

(24:30):
the Rain Warren both reported having seen the devil himself
seated in it.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Just the two of them, Just the two of them.
What bothers me about the Warrens is they're always recording everything,
but there's never any evidence to any of this. They
don't have any photographs of any of the stuff. You know, ever,
if the devil sitting in the fucking chair, show me
a picture, but they don't ever have it. Do you
remember seeing the Warrens on TV a lot when you
were a kid, No, but I remember I remember her. Yeah,

(24:55):
I remember her, and I remember liking her because she
seems like almost the sweet.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Oh, she seems like an ass absolute sweet are Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
But the few times I saw him, he just seemed
like an asshole.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
He does seem like a head.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, And it turns out he was quite quite. Yeah.
But with her, I was way more apt to believe
her because she's she really came off as a sweet
older lady. You know.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
They But they always have the cameras roll always, but
they never capture anything.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
That's what bothers me.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
If you're recording everything, why don't you have the chair levitating?
Why is there no footage of the rocking chair rocking
on its own? But there isn't there never is. They
always seem to have just quite missed that. You know,
that smoking gun, It never happens. On September second, nineteen eighty,
the fourth Exorcism took place at Saint Joseph Church in Brookfield.

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The family is all in attendance, along with the Warrens.
After the prayers began, the temperature in the room dropped significantly.
David began to growl, hiss, and swear at the priest.
He began to false and his features took on a
grotesque look. He repeatedly tried to attack those present, so

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his brother and Ed Warren each had to take hold
of a leg. David began to bend and contort his
body into positions that were not physically possible. When a
cross was placed against David's head, his skin began to sizzle.
David's tongue began to swell, and his skin took on
a bluish tint from the lack of oxygen. Arnie screamed

(26:30):
out in frustration, leave this little kid alone. Take me on.
I'm here, Take me on. Arnie said that in that
very instant, he became ice cold and the rain worn. Asked,
oh my god, what did you just do? Ed warned him.
You don't ever challenge a demonic entity, not ever, even

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though at himself had already done so at their house
when he begged the entity to knock on the table
three times.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Ed had already done that. He called out the entity,
but apparently you don't do that unless you're aad.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
So, after the room became ice cold and Arne felt weird,
David felt like himself again. He said he was finally
happy for the first time in months. The family left
the church feeling confident that their troubles were over and
that the exorcism was a success. They were wrong. The
Warren state that in October of nineteen eighty they actually

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went to the local police department to warn them about
Arnie's challenge to the demon. They felt that he was
in great danger and they wanted to alert the police
that the rain had visions about serious injuries or even
death being inflicted in a crime involving a knife. A
detective working at the department at that time corroborated that

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this visit did in fact take place. A few days
after challenging the demon, Arne experienced a say a demon
of his own as he was starting his car, and
the car began to race out of control, sending him
off into a tree. He was unhurt, but he was
very shaken by the experience. Debbie and Arney decided it

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was time for them to get out on their own
and find a place. Debbie took a job in Brookfield
as a dog groomer at the local kennels. Her boss
was forty year old Alan Bono, who quickly became a
friend of hers as well as Arnie's. They rented a
house nearby the kennels from Bono, so he owned the house,
he and the business, and Arnie began working for the

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Right Tree Service. DeBie reports that Arnie began to behave
just like David ad not long before a strange look
would come over his face and he would enter a
trance like state, who would begin to growl and tell
her that he too saw the beast. Later on after
this is after they moved into a new house.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah huh, so they were both at the exorcises, Arnie
challenged the beast to leave David alone and enter him
later on.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
After he exited the trance, he would have no memory
of the incident, but he would recall that he had
been seeing a demon. So about five months after David's
final exorcism, on February sixteenth, nineteen eighty one, Arnie called
in sick to his job. He and Debbie drove down
to Bridgeport to pick up his younger sisters for a visit.

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They then went out to lunch with Alan Bono, where
both Arnie and Bono had drinks. After lunch, the whole
group returned to the kennel, where Bono continued drinking. Bono
was said to have become belligerent. He grabbed Debbie's nine
year old cousin Mary by the wrist. Arnie insisted that
he let her go, and a fight began, which spilled

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from the apartment out on to the front lawn. Mary
ran for the car as Arnie's sister, Wanda tried to
pull Arnie away from Bono. Debbie tried to insert herself
in between the two men to prevent further conflict, but
Arnie began to growl. He produced a five inch pocket
knife from a sheath he had on him, and he

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stabbed Bono repeatedly. Debbie would later state that she did
not witness the actual stabbing, even though she admits to
have been standing between the two men at the time.
Bono suffered five knife wounds, one of them stretching from
his stomach to just below his heart. He was raised
to the hospital while Arnie took off in the nearby woods,

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headed in the direction of the Latzel home. Debbie called
her mother to inform them of what had happened, and
when the phone rang, David would later say that he
already knew who it was and what it was about.
He could see what Arnie was seeing in that very
moment in his mind, and he knew that the devil
was using Arnie's body to now come for him. Brother

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Alan admits that he too was afraid of Arnie Johnson
for the only time in his life. During those moments.
The same ambulance driver that had just dropped Alan Bono
off the hospital was making his return when he passed
Arnie Johnson walking close to the Glatzow family home. He
told police that he had just found their suspect, and

(31:18):
police quickly arrived on scene. Arnie was still covered in
blood when he was taken into custody buy Sergeant Gordon
Fairfield of the brook Brofield PD.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
So there was it was documented that Lorraine Warren went
to the police station and reported that there was going
to be a knife incident.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Percent that didad so.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
That truly happened. I mean that's I.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Wouldn't have believe them if there wasn't a cop on
record that said that did happen. She did go in
and warn them before this stabbing, and she even said
who was going to do it or who were her
concern was about.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I don't know he was.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
So Arnie was initially charged with assault. Arnie told the
of the police that he never meant to hurt you
on and that he had no memory of the incident whatsoever.
Fairfield did later recount that while he was placing Arnie
in the back of the police cruiser, that Arnie made
the statement, I need help because I've got a drinking problem.

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Later on, at the station, the police were notified that
Alan Bono had died. When they formed Arnie this, he
became incoherent for a spell before then falling asleep for
about a half an hour. When he awoke, he was
charged with first degree murder. His bill was set at
one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. This was said
to have been the first murder in Brookfield in one

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hundred and ninety three years. Lorraine Warren told the Brookfield
pde the following day that Arnie was not responsible for
the killing, as he had been possessed. At the time,
Debbie and the Glatzal family all felt pretty confident that
the possession defense would prove successful and that Arnie would
ultimately be set free. The Warrens contacted Attorney Martin Manila

(33:07):
and had him out to their house, where they presented
to him their audio tapes and all the evidence they
had to suggest that Arnie Johnson was in fact possessed
at the time of the crime.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
You know, if the Warrens did I'm always dogging the Warrens,
but if they did that, they almost have to really
believe before you start getting wrapped up into a fucking
murder case.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Give it a minute and see if you still agree
with that. I mean, they're diving in pretty quick here,
and I'm not saying they, I.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Mean I could also see Ed using that as you know,
let's hurry up and get her name out there. But
you start diving into murder case, you get yourself into
some shit.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
You do.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Give this story about ten minutes and see if you
still agree, and you may and you may know. It's
really hard to tell with them, No, you know what
the Warrens, it's really hard to tell. I will read
all their cases. Sometimes you walk away and you're still
not sure what their motives were.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I always leaned towards believing Lorraine, like I said, Like
I said, I almost wonder if it was.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Like I think she sells it better than that.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, but maybe because maybe because you really she was
the one that was a medium and Ed was just
a demonologist, and she was nice to use to tick.
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Maybe his public persona was not very good.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Now, well, it's because of the way he carried himself,
the way he acted. Excuse me.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
So Attorney Martin Manella walked away from the meeting with
the Warrens, saying he became a believer. So he agreed
to take on Arnie's case, and he set out to
use the devil made me do it defense. The Warrens
then began to do the whole media circus in the
lead up to the trial, and they even gave some

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of their exorcism audio tapes to a local radio station.
The the media coverage of the event became a circus.
People all around the world now wanted to know all
the details in what was now known as the demon
murder trial. Manella traveled to England to meet with the
lawyers who had presented the same defense. The defense of
possession had never been used in a US court room,

(35:19):
but it had been used several times in England, three
of which actually went to trial. All three defendants were
found not guilty. The priests that had been involved in
the exorcism of David Glatzel had no interest whatsoever in
testifying about the incident at trial, and Manella threatened that
he would subpoena them and force them to testify if

(35:40):
need be.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
So.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
The trial began on October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty one,
in Connecticut Superior Court in Danbury. When Manella tried to
submit their non guilty by virtue of possession defense, it
was promptly rejected by Judge Robert G.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Callahan.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Callahan stated that no such defense could ever exist in
the US court of law because of an overall lack
of evidence, and it would be quote a relative and
unscientific to allow any such testimony. The defense then pivoted
to a self defense angle, which was a hard sell
after it had already been stated that Arnie did in

(36:23):
fact do it and that he just didn't remember it
because he was possessed. Arnie's sister had already given statements
that she saw Arnie stab Bono. Arnie Johnson decided that
it was necessary for him himself to take the stand,
but his explanation that he didn't remember the crime did
little to help his case. When the case went to

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the jury, they took two days to come back with
their verdict not guilty a first degree murder, guilty a
first agree manslaughter. When Arne was brought back for sentencing
a month later, Judge Callahan gave him ten to twenty
years and a maximum security prison.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
He actually made out pretty well.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
All things considered. He absolutely made out very well. Debbie
stayed with Arnie during his incarceration and they got married
in nineteen eighty five while he was still serving his sentence.
Arnie Johnson was paroled for good behavior after serving just
under five years of prison. He and Debbie would always

(37:25):
maintain their story of possession and their complete faith in
the warrants still to this day. Debbie died in twenty
twenty one. Arney is still alive. David Glatzel is now
in his fifties. He still maintains his story that he
was in fact possessed by the devil. He largely lives
out of the public eye. His brother Alan asserts that

(37:47):
the stories of both David and Arnie are one hundred
percent true, so no one's no god. Oldest brother Carl
has a much different view on things, however, He said
right from the get go about the possession of his
younger brother that he was not buying it and that
things did not sit right with me. Those are quotes.

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He believes the warrants were leading his family on, and
they provided details of the behavior that they needed David
to exhibit beforehand. He questions why instead of actually helping David,
they came only armed with the cameras and taper corders.
The Warrens were, in his words, nothing more than very
good con people. Kyl doesn't think his brother was lying, however.

(38:32):
He states that after his parents died, he and his
wife were going through their things when he found found
notes his mother had written. Quote, my mother wrote down
everything she had ocd. He states that her notes detailed
the fact that his mother had been dosing the food
of the boys and their father were sominex for quite
some time. He believed she had been using this drug

(38:55):
to quote, control all of us boys and my dad,
he believes, but it was this long term use of
samanax that led his little brother to hallucinate the whole
possession scenario. He stated that his family was terrified of
him being anywhere near the trial because they knew how
skeptical he was of the entire thing, and he doesn't

(39:16):
believe the devil had anything to do with the murder
either quote, there's nothing demonic in this. Nie was very
possessive of Debbie. There were speculations and rumors that Debbie
was having an affair with Alan Bono, and it turns
out that Debbie was having a relationship with Bono. She
confessed this detail to detectives, but she denied that it

(39:37):
had anything to do with the murder. Though they disagree
on a great many details about the past, the one
thing David and Carl both agree on as do they
feel the Warrens scammed them. It turns out that the
Warrens already had a book deal in place when the
trial had barely even reached his conclusion.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Fucking ed Warren.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
They convinced Judy Glatzill to sign on without even consulting
an attorney first. The Rain Warren told David, by his
account later on, that your story is going to make
you a very rich little boy. This didn't prove to
be true, however, The Warrens made over eighty thousand dollars
from the book to youal which would equate to a

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quarter of a million dollars today. The Glatzel family made
forty five hundred. David would later say, if they can
profit off you, they will. Carl states in the Netflix
documentary The Devil on Trial that when the Warrens hired
author Gerald Gerald Brittle to write the book, Ed told

(40:40):
him to quote make it scary, and Gerald's I heard
that quote, Gerald said, but I checked with the people
and they said this didn't happen. Ed then goes make
it scary. People come to us, they buy scary.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Have you mentioned this before?

Speaker 3 (40:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
No, not in a different case.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
May I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
No.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
And I looked up sominex, the drug that you're talking about.
It's a brand name of over the counter sleep aid.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, and she's according to Karl, she was feeding the
family that for years in their food, crushing it up,
putting in their food, and she was feeding into all
the boys.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
So the book was titled The Devil in Connecticut. It
was published in nineteen eighty three. It was made into
one nineteen eighty three made for television movie called The
Demon Murder Case. It also served as the inspiration for
the twenty twenty one movie The Conjuring The Devil Made
Me Do It. David and Carl both sued the warrants
and author Jared Brittle in two thousand and seven for

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privacy violation, libel, and incurred emotional distress. The case was dismissed, however,
due to lack of evidence. Ed Warren died in two
thousand and six. Lorraine Warden died in twenty nineteen. So
now we're going to get to the conclusions. This is
what I think, all right, So for me, this case
or all cases, are largely about consistency or in this one,

(42:05):
lack thereof. This case has been covered in I checked
tons of sources a lot. The one thing you can
count on is that the key facts of this case
will always be different. Originally, David gladswol says that he
saw an image of an old man before he come possessed.
Later versions it's an image of a demon or somebody

(42:26):
in a Halloween type demon suit. He said, wait, how
does that change? We saw an old man, he saw
a demon doesn't change. Multiple documentaries, and I've seen them
all feature both Arnie and Debbie giving accounts of their story,
and if you watch all these versions, they're entirely contradictory accounts.
Some versions, Arnie challenges the demon at the exorcism. Other

(42:50):
versions it's just a random night at the glattl home,
nothing special about it whatsoever. Some versions the idea for
an exorcism on David comes from the family's priest, and
other versions that comes from Ed Warren himself.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I would go with a Ed Warren version.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
The stories don't even agree on who recommended the warrants
to the family in the first place, and some versions
the neighbor, some it's the family priest. The warrants are
known to record constant audio and video whenever possible, but
search as hard as you might, there is nothing in
this case to suggests it's real. They have nothing that
just doesn't exist. The photographs are ambiguous at best, and

(43:30):
if you don't have David or his brother Alan explaining
what you're seeing in the background, which you do on
the documentaries, the photographs are just gibbers. They'll say, Okay,
here you see David grasping the demon who's at his throat.
But then you look at the photograph and it's just
a kid with his hand hands in the air. You know,
if you weren't there, there's nothing in the photographs to

(43:51):
convince you of anything.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
And I will share those photographs.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
There's no video. I can't find any video whatsoever. The
Warrens were always filming video, and there is nothing I
can't I can't find it. If you're always filming video,
why is the chair levitating not on there? Why is
the kid in the levitating not there? You should have it,
but it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. His body bending
into impossible positions they were filming. There's none of that.

(44:20):
I can't find it. The audio of the exorcistems, those
are available. They sound like nothing more than to me
than an eleven year old boy just talking shit. He's
swearing in his mom the devil during possessions. Devil speaks
in Latin, ancient language is long forgotten English backwards. You

(44:41):
hear all these type of stuff. It quotes the Bibles,
long lost manuscripts. The Devil is genuinely witty, witty, sinister,
a trickster. These tapes don't show.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Any of that.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
It's an eleven year old speaking gibberish. Nothing cons eleven
year old swearing in his mom. The voice is convincing.
He doesn't he doesn't use big words. He doesn't quote
the court the warrants. He did, but on the tapes,
you hear him say to his mother, you're a douchebag.
He calls the devil a fat dick, pork chaw or

(45:14):
something like that. It's nothing that an eleven year old
wouldn't say. It's not convincing at all. Carl Glatzel says
that his father didn't believe any of the possession stuff,
and when his dad entered the room, all demonic activity
with his brother would immediately stop. And there is audio
to support this claim. There's an audio clip of David

(45:35):
talking in demonic terms. His dad enters the room, and
it sees immediately know like an eleven year old kid
might be scared of his dad, but the devil wouldn't be.
But it does stop immediately. So there is some some
some variation, you know, to what Carl says there. It's
Debbie claimed that her affair with Bono was in the past,

(45:57):
but by her own words, she had only met him
real when she and Arnie got their new place and
she took the job of the kennels. So how far
in the pass could it have been? To me, it
sounds like two dudes.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Motive. There's motives, but everybody accounts that they were both
drinking that night, So he got two dudes drinking, one
of them was dating her, one of them had recently
been banging her.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
There's a lot of motive for a fight there that
uh huh. So for me, I'm gonna put the likelihood
that David Glatzel was possessed at maybe three. I cannot
say that it positively didn't happen, but there's just no
evidence whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
The only thing in this case it's hard to understand
is how she would know. I agree that she would
know that there's gonna be a stabbing unless they.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Unless they already had some conversations with Arnie that he
wasn't stable. Maybe he had, Maybe he had revealed her.
Maybe he had revealed them because Arnie was close with
the Warrens. Maybe he'd even.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Told them about his concerns with Bone, right, and I'm
gonna kill that bastard or something. Who knows, who knows,
But I mean, this is so Warrens. It's not even funny,
you know very much. This is why we're not fans
of the Warrens.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I would encourage you guys to look at any audio
or anything you could guys can find over this case,
and we'll post some of it. The David Klatzel. I
can't say the kids full of shit. I can't say
that positively. I can only engage what I'm saying on
what I've seen. I've listened to all the audio that
I can find on the Warrens, recorded hours and hours.
They didn't all come out to the public, so it's

(47:38):
not impossible there are other people engaging their responses or
you know, the conclusions on stuff I haven't heard. But
according to what I've heard and what I've read, I'm
just not convinced. I can't flat o't call him a liar,
but I'm no higher than a three. It's just not convincing,
not to me at all. It's just basically an eleven
year old swearing at his mom and the priest in
language that an eleven year old would definitely use. They

(48:01):
say he talks in voices of a non eleven year old,
but I don't hear that. He's positively an eleven year
old just growling a little bit. It's not convincing. I
would put the likelihood that Arnie Johnson was possessed even lower,
because if David Glatzo wasn't possessed, then the demon couldn't
pass and it sounds like he was just using it
and goes downhill from there.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, oh, well, this kid was possessed. I mean, the
kid could have seen stuff. If he was getting freaking
sleep sleep ay medicine every night, he could definitely hallucinate. Now,
if you see the.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Interviews and stuff that I've seen, they all come off
as believable. I think they're all sincere about what they
think they saw. All three brothers, David Gladswoll, Alan Gladzwell,
Carl Glatzel, and Arnie Johnson. Arnie Johnson seems like an
incredibly nice guy, a believable guy, but I just don't
believe his story Debbie Glatzwell's past, But there's interviews with
all of them out there. I believe David Glatzo truly

(48:57):
believes he was possessed. But the most convincing for me
was Karl Gladzel, the oldest brother, when he detailed what
he saw and he just didn't believe it from the
get go and his reasons for not believing it.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I boy, I by he has the only true story
that sounds absolutely legit.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Absolutely, but it's not impossible David Glatzel believes he was possessed,
but his brother thinks he was doped up with salmon
x and all that of this stuff and he was
loucinating it. It's not impossible they will both ride. Just
because David believes it doesn't mean it actually happened.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
I think I would put it right about where you're
putting it, about a two or three.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
So, in the words of the Warrens themselves quote, when
you challenge the demonic, it waits until you are the
most vulnerable, then it strikes. So in the case of
Arnie Johnson, wouldn't that be after the murder and not before.
Right after the murder, he was facing life in jail,
he had no money, no defense, he was separated from

(49:53):
his fiance, his family, he admitted an alcohol problem, and
he should have been in an all time low. There
were absolutely no reports any demonic activity or strange behavior
from Arnie. After the killing, when he was at his
most vulnerable, the devil left own.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Hmm, yeah, exactly. That's an interesting case.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Whenever the Warrens get involved, it always right then. I'm
already right off the get go, like, oh, I'm not
going to buy this and I know a lot of
you guys might be Warren fans. It just if you listen,
this repeats itself over and over with the Warrens.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
If you dig in deep. The Warrens are their suspect
they always have. But when you really and I always
try to give them the benefit of the doe. Lorraine Warrens,
Lorraine Warren's prediction of the knife attack is convincing.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Well, there's a possibility to me that Lorraine Warren was
a real medium.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I think she probably was. I really do.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I think she could have been a real medium. I
do believe that. But I believe Ed Warren was a
fucking horrible influence.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Ed Warren was a fraud, one hundred percent convinced he
is all about.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Was she a medium before he ever showed up? That's
what I need to research, because I remember seeing her
and she was always very convincing to me, but him
never very sweet woman. Yeah, we're going to put up
a pole on this one. Jump on. Let us know
what you guys on Spotify. I know not all of

(51:23):
you guys listen, but you can go over there, and
I think you can still. It's a vote.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
We'll like to hear from you. Wait, I know what
you guys think?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
You ever think of this? So a lot of people
don't believe that possession or demons are real, but they
know mental health issues are. What if mental health issues
aren't real and it is all demons and possessions, it's
possible everything. Well, I mean if you're if say you're
a Christian and you believe that the body is just
mostly a vessel and carries your soul, are there other

(51:55):
souls out there that want to get in that body?
And I mean that's the premise to a lot of
different No. Absolutely, So I mean, what if a lot
of this stuff that you see as mental health actually
it was demons.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I believe demonic possession is one hundred percent reel, one
hundred percent reel. I just don't necessarily believe it when
ed Ward says it, because when he shows up on
the scene, he always says it. That's where he endamindes
his credibility with me and their early career went from
a haunting. When the Exorcists came out, it was always
demonic possession. By this case, it wasn't demonic possession. It
was forty two demons. Like and if you follow the

(52:31):
timeline in their career, it never regresses. It went from
hauntings to demonic possession, and by the end of their
career was so off the charts what he was predicting
and he could never prove it ever. And if you
see him in an interview, he's so non convincing it's
not even f He comes off like a pompous cock
and I don't believe it word he says and you
don't get something and you don't want to believe he says.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
And then Lorraine talks and you're like, oh, she's such
a sweetheart, but she's married to this cock. I mean
they're in hand in hand yep. I don't know. Maybe
that was her role. I don't know. I don't know
about If you watch interviews with him, he's instantly combative. No,
I don't like him, but I don't know. I don't
know how anyone could like him. And then his way
to deal with people questioning him is to go after him.

(53:11):
You know, it's just straight go after.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
What I especially don't like about him is that he's
approaching people in the worst times of their life and
he's always profiting off it, and these people never seem
to make go to it. He never actually helps these people.
They basically walk away ruined and he gets book deals
and movie deals and stuff out of it. And then
he'll later pat himself on the back about how much
he helped these people.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
He doesn't help them. Half the time, he wasn't even there.
He didn't help the Glatzos. He wrote a book deal.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
David himself, the one he supposedly helped, does not like
him to this day. He said he was scammed. That
basically tells you all you need to know. The Warrens
made a ton of money. David Glatzel did not.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I don't know. You guys decide, yeah, it'll be in
the poll. So great story, dude, Good job with that.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
We are now going to head over to the firepit.
We'll catch you over there. I guess you know what's
home it is you can get back to the fire.
First off, I want to thank you guys. We did
get some. We did get some submissions of fire pits,

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which we really appreciate. We sted the bell, you guys,
did We still need more. I mean we've got some,
but this isn't and we're gonna burn thrown.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Fast you guys bought us time and ate.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, we really are. We appreciate the hell out of
you guys just taking the time and doing your stories.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
It's a Shadow family, man. We do appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I love this is my favorite part of the show.
I love hearing everybody so absolutely so please get those
into us. We we really need, we really need to
get a back.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Supply of be on the Shadows two of seven at
gmail dot com or any of our socials.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
And while we're at it, if any of you guys
have not had a chance to give us a rating
or review, if you could pop over give us a
rating review on Apple or Spotify or wherever you listen,
that helps so much to get us out. So this
one was sent to us from Matthew. Matthew's been listening
for a while and he finally sent us in a
fire pit and we appreciate it. And here we go.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Hell you guys, matt here. And I'm not sure how
I come across your podcast, but I did. And I
kind of work an odd job where I work on
astro ole rig and we worked three weeks and get
three weeks off and I drive eleven and a half
hours each way every three weeks and Ben's only episodes

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got third pretty quick with all that driving time, but
figured out to smit a firepit story. This happened back
in December twenty twelve, and as I said, I work
in the little field and I got my starting oil
and gas industry in North Dakota. They're in the big,

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big boom up there. And was living in a house
with my brother and my sister in law in a
little town called Crosby, North Dakota, population of about one thousand,
and my brother and I we both worked a rotational
schedule where he worked fourteen days you get fourteen days off,

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and our rotation line up where we were both going
to be off at the same time for Christmas, and
we decided, you know, we were all going to fly
on for Christmas together home to North Carolina for Christmas.
And to fly out, we had to fly out of
mine not in North Dakota, which from Crosby, if I
recall correctly, it was a two and a half hour

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drive to the airport and we had a five thirty
am flight, and you know, we like to get airport
hour and a half or raise, so you're looking at
hitting the road one thirty uh to get there and
be early. Well, I had come in, that was all
last night working and I'd come in about nine o'clock
and my brother and sister law they're going to head

(57:11):
the bed, and I told them, I said, you know,
I think I'm just gonna stay up and play some
PlayStation and i'll uh about twelve thirty, I'll pack my
bags and one hit the road and one one fifteen.
And they they agreed to that. So they went to bed,
and so I played PlayStation. And when I played, I

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would wear the headfirs keep the noise down. And it
got to be about twelve, you know, midnight, twelve twelve fifteen,
and I decided to shut the games off and get
my bags ready, and I took the headphones off, turn
them off. And no sooner than I did that, there
was three distinct knots on the front door, you know,

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very loud, very clear. Now, this house, I shouldn't say.
This house had a front porch, a full with front
porches about eight foot wide and run the whole length
of the house. And at some point previous owners had
semi and closed the porch. It wasn't insulated, but they
had put storm windows all around the porch, and there

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was a creaky storm door on the front of the porch.
And then you'd walk across the porch that eight foot
and you'd be at the front door and front doors,
you know, one of those big old wooden big old
wooden doors. Bottom two thirds of solid and the top
two thirds had excuse me, the top one third had
two rows of four windows, so you could you could

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look out and see and uh. The door just made
a very distinct sound like those old wooden doors do.
And when those three knocks happened, I hadn't heard anyone
come across the porch open or open that old storm door.
It's gart a shit out of me. I love horror movies,
I love turnormal Stuff podcast, but I am not afraid

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to tell you I'm terrified of the dark. So when
I heard the knocks, I had an option. I could
look and see who was there, or I could run
upstairs and get my brother. Well, the way the doors
lined up front of that house and front door line
straight up with the hallway that goes upstairs. I didn't
even look at the door. I run upstairs and I

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got my brother. I said, man, someone is knocking on
the front door. He said, who is it? I said,
I didn't look, and I ain't going to So I
went downstairs together grab some flashlights. And then December and
North Dakota snows all the time there, and there was

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a fresh snow and we had about five or six
inches of a good fresh powder on the ground there.
It is on the front steps and on the in
the yard, and and uh, we went out there and look.
We actually went out the back door and we came
around and there was no footsteps up the driveway, there

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was no footsteps in the front yard. There was no
footsteps on the steps getting into the house. And to
this day I have no idea who or what had
knocked on that door. That's one of a few odd
experiences I had working in North Dakota. And uh, I'll

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submit those other ones. But maybe you like a story,
maybe you don't, but there it is, and uh, keep
up the good word, guys, enjoy the podcast, and you
gots definitely cracking it out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
We love that story. Yeah, I please send the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Absolutely, that's creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, it's very creepy. And he's in North Dakota. If
you've ever been to North Dkota. You could stand on
a fucking tunic and see across the whole goddamn state. Yeah,
if someone was out there, he would have seen him.
And he has seen the prints in the snow, so yeah,
that's that's yeah, extremely creepy story. Great story. I love
his accent too. Isn't it weird that everybody on the
planet has an accent but us? No, anyways, that's great story,

(01:01:21):
great story. We really appreciate you, especially when we put
out the call. You get the story into us, and
it was really good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Now, like you said, you've got more. We'd love to
hear him. That one was amazing, So get the rest
in here. We'll definitely get you out there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Yeah, absolutely, and the rest of you guys please get
those stories into us. We do still need them and
we appreciate you those of you who did step up
and get some stories to us, so you will be
hearing them soon. And oh, me and Ryan coming up here.
We're going to be taking a little vacation, so we're
gonna be off, but we're trying to put together to

(01:01:56):
where you guys will still get episodes while we're off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna most likely be in June.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
And to June into July. I think so, But we are.
We're going to try to make it that there's still
an episode each week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
We'll let you know when it's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
We think so so. Yeah, it won't be long. But
we haven't had a break since we started.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Been two and a half years. And I can't stand
in his face anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Either that or we quit all together. I need a
week right on. Ryan sounds nice? Probably not Ashole, I'm
a dick. Oh, it's so much, but no, for real.
We we we are going to but we're working on it.
You know, we might.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
It's good time to give you a heads up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
We might give you something from the old stuff that
we never released. We have some stuff in the vault.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
We've talked about that. There was like three or four
full episodes we recorded. They didn't there for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Their garbage, but if you can believe it, in the
early days, Scott was able to pronounce stuff even worse. Yeah,
he struggled with his own name in the uloid. I'm like,
this sucked. I'm like, well it hasn't got any better,
So I'm scotched. And then we may even have I

(01:03:09):
don't know, we might have a guest come in and
do an episode or something that works as well. Yeah,
so we might do that. We want to keep the
content coming to you, but we're going to take a
little bit of a break, maybe a couple of weeks
or something, but working on it. We're thinking of you,
so we'll try to keep those out. Please get the
stories into us and we will catch you, guys, and

(01:03:29):
the next one later, guys,