May 30, 2025 • 54 mins
In the quiet hills outside Edinburgh, a routine drive turned into a night of terror. In August 1992, Garry Wood and Colin Wright were delivering a satellite TV system to a friend when they encountered something that defied explanation — a strange black object hovering above the A70 road. Moments later, they experienced a blinding flash of light... and then, nothing. What should have been a short journey stretched into hours of missing time. Under hypnosis, both men would later recall being taken aboard a craft and subjected to bizarre and disturbing examinations by non-human entities. In this episode, we uncover the eerie details of the A70 alien abduction — one of the UK's most compelling and controversial UFO cases. Was it a shared hallucination, a cover-up, or genuine contact with beings from beyond our world? Strap in as we travel down a dark road of mystery, memory, and the unknown.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
dark tales and paranormal mysteries.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
As we go beyond in the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation and
all the like are.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Do you know what the most in the world is?
On the shuttles where you found me at you can't
see me in the deepest blacks when your heart starbus
and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
that you why at track well, the defense be where
the actions at.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So this enough you.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Want it, UFOs, all the ghosts. We got everything that
you want.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It won't do you know what the thing in the
world is?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hey, and welcome back to episode one hundred and forty
four of Beyond the Shadows.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Welcome back Shadow Army. Right off the get go the
poll for Ryan's episode. I was a little late putting
it up if you didn't notice, but the pole looks
like nobody believed that they were actually possessed. No, no,
Anita did we No, no, so just a cover for
their story. And then of course the Warrens make it,
you know, like it always does.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Once Ed steps on scene, it already loses credibility for me. Yes,
but I believe they did investigate a lot of legit
hauntings that I don't doubt. It's just that Ed exaggerates
the shit out of everything and it kind of just
kills the credibility.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Right, absolutely does quite a few. We have what three
new ratings on Apple we did. I didn't write the
names down, but I will. I'll mention them on the
next episode. But we really appreciate those reviews help a lot,
and uh yeah, there's three great ones. So thank you
for that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Thanks for taking the time, guys. Uh So, this week,
we've got two hikers in New York's Adirondacks who called
nine one one to report a third member of their
party had died. A forest ranger responded to the call
that came from the top of Cascade Mountain. Now, in
the meantime, the two hikers approach a stewart on the
mountain to say that they are lost, even though they
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were on like a well marked trade.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Right everywhere something seems off.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Turns out that the two were just tripping their balls
off on shrooms, tripping balls. The third member of their
party not only wasn't dead, wasn't even injured.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Now he was just lost. He's just fine tripping balls.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So, in an ironic twist, the two that called nine
to one one for the dead friend were the ones
that were brought off the mountain in an ambulance.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The dead friend, he was good to go, stave Man,
No day's not here.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Researchers on an Island and Panama have noticed a new
fad amongst capuchin monkeys that they call viscerally disturbing. Adolescent
and juveniles of the species have begun to kidnap the
infants of other monkey species, seemingly just out of boredom,
just for fun, for entertainment.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, these monkeys need something to do.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Man, Apparently, so a lot of the researchers they're not
on scene, so it takes them a while to figure
the shit out because they're reviewing like trail cam footage
rolling back years. So now that they've started digging, it's
been going on for at least three years. It started
with a monkey they call Joker, and then when other
monkeys saw it, they started doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Copying it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But other than carrying them, the Capuchin monkeys are not
taking care of the monkeys they're kidnapping.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, they're just taking them and then away pretty much it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
They wither away and they pretty much assume they die.
They don't see it on a film, but it's weird though.
The monkey species that the Capuchins are, I didn't write
it down. Howler monkeys. They're kidnapping theirs, but howler monkey,
he's a way bigger and more aggressive than the puch
and so I'm not sure how they're getting them.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
But the Kapucha monkeys are just mischief all the time.
So they said they're just stern shit up through the
jungle leg crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, the guy's words were one of the guys with
tobotim said they are chaos agents.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's all they do is go start ship. They're doing
this for no reason at all other than their board.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
They roam through the forest, ripping up and manipulating everything
in sight. That's a quote from Brendan Barrett, an expert.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It kind of reminds me of like the orcards that
are tearing up the sailboats. This is doing it for fun.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We're humans.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah, it reminds me of them too, except for
the look of forest that needs to be torn up right,
other than the whole kidnapping thing.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
A guy on Boston's South Shore was arrested for performing
a lewd act while driving alongside another car on the
George Washington Boulevard this past Monday. He deliberately tried to
match his speed to the car beside him while.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
He performed US one out.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
They didn't say that, they described blue Dad.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They said it without saying that. So he massed the speed.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So he could maintain eye contact. It was a car
full of people. He didn't want them to miss the show. No,
he wanted them to see it. And I was telling Ryan,
this would have been so much better if he just
had full self driving. You know it's coming. The future
is almost here. Guy, Hold on, guy trying to do
that while he's driving. The car is going to be
doing ten forty ten. But before long, don't worry, that
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guy will be able to pull up right beside you,
stare you in the face, and just finish one out.
Thirty nine year old Philip Hall was arrested on charges
of open engross lewdness, negligent operation of a motor vehicle
and unsafe operation of a motor vehicle. But I think
carjack and apply so.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Very much.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I would have gotten him for that. So that's the
news for this week. What do you get going on?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, we're going to take it back to alien abduction,
another one of the oaths.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
People seem to like those.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, this one's coming out of Scotland.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh nice, Yeah, Well we'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Do you know what the world is?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
All right? We're headed back to the nineteen nineties where
Ryan had a sweet ass mullet. You know your that
Megadeth t shirt like Beavis buttet. It was August seventeenth,
nineteen ninety two, a warm summer evening in West Loathan, Scotland.
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Gary Woods thirty three, a mechanic with a no nonsense streak,
gripped the wheel of his red Ford Escort as it
hummed along the A seventy Beside him sat Colin Wright
twenty five, a quieter sort, lanky and thoughtful, his eyes
scanning the darkening field. The two men were headed to Tarbaracks,
a small village to top off excuse me to drop
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off a satellite system for a friend. It was a
routine erin the kind they'd done one hundred times before.
The A seventy was a lonely stretch flanked by hedgerows
and sheep fields, with only the occasional farmhouse light flickering
in the distance. In nineteen ninety two, Scotland felt like
a world apart from the UFO mania gripping America. The
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X Files wouldn't hit the UK screens for another year,
but tabloid tabloids occasionally buzzed with grainy photos of supposed saucers.
Gary and Colin were the type weren't the type to
buy into that they were working fellows grounded, more likely
to scoff at alien's stories than entertain them. Yet, as
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the escorts headlights sliced through the dusk, something was waiting
that would shatter their sense of normal. Gary flicked on
the radio, catching a crackly pops on bloody reception out here,
He muttered, I do a really good Scottish accent. The
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only thing I have for reference is brave Heart or
freedom him. That's it all right, Colin chuckle, leaning back,
his shoes, scuffing the dashboard. The air was thick with
the scent of cut grass and engine oil, the night
closing in fast. They were about ten miles from Tarbracs
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near let me get this right, harp Rigg Reservoir. When
Colin squinted at the sky ahead, what's that? He said,
Gary followed his gaze above the road, maybe twenty feet up,
hovered a dish shaped object, blurred by a faint, pulsating glow.
It was massive, whiter than the road itself, maybe thirty
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feet across. Its surfaced a dull, metallic black, no wings,
no engines, just an eerie stillness. A low, throbbing hum
vibrated through the car, prickling their skin like static. What
the hell is that, Gary said, his hands tightening on
the wheel. Colin leaned forward, eyes wide. It's not a
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plane or helicopter, look at it. It's just sitting there.
The disc didn't move, didn't drift like it was pinned
to the sky. Gary slowed the car, instinct screaming to
keep moving, but curiosity pulling harder. The hum grew deeper,
resonating in their chest, and the air felt heavy, charged,
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like before a storm. The radio cut to static, then silence.
Drive under it, Colin asked, half joking, but Gary didn't answer.
He eased the car forward. The discs looming larger, is glowing,
its glow casting faint shadows on the asphalt. As they
passed beneath it, a curt and of darkness fell, not
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just night, but a thick, inky void that swallowed the
head lights, the road, everything. Gary's hands froze on the wheel.
Colin's breath caught. The world blinked out. Then nothing, no sound,
no lights, no sense of time, just blank. They said
that what came down it was like really thick, almost
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when they're going into almost like it was shimmering, like
you know what it looks like like. I think they
described it as like you know when it's real hot out, Yeah,
and there's like that it's night time, but you get
that like off the that mirage coming off of the
like that. And they went in and just pure darkness.
When awareness snapped back, Gary was still gripping the wheel,
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His knuckles were white. The car was moving, but the
dashboard clock read twelve forty five am, over ninety minutes
later than it should have been. Tabracks's lights twinkled head.
Colin was slump in his seat, his face pale, eyes unfocused.
What just happened? He gasped. Gary's mouth was dry, his
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head was pounding, like it was hit with a brick.
I don't know, he said, voice shaking. I don't bloody know.
They pulled up to their friend's house late, disoriented. Their
friend waiting at the door frown Where have you been?
You're over an hour late. Gary and Colin exchanged your glance,
their stomach's twisting. They mumbled something about car trouble, handed
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over the satellite system, and then left quickly. Neither mentioned
the disc not yet. In the days that followed, the
Knights just ate at him. Gary couldn't shake the headache,
the nausea, the flashes of unease that hit when he
tried to recall the drive. Colin was worse, jumpy, quiet,
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waking from nightmares he couldn't describe. They'd lost time, an
hour and a half unaccounted for, and the memory of
the glowing diss refused to fade. At the pub, they
tried to laugh at all off, but their friends noticed
the strain. You two look like you've seen a ghost,
one said, if only, if it were that simple. Gary,
the more stubborn of the pair, pushed it down, focusing
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on work, culling he couldn't let it go. He read
about missing time in the library book about UFOs, a
phrase that sent a chill through him. But by nineteen
ninety four, two years later, the weight of not knowing
was just too much. Colin finally convinced Gary to contact
Malcolm Robertson, a UFO researcher with the Scottish Paranormal Investigations.
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I'm not saying it was aliens, Colin said, his voice
low over a pint, but we need to know what happened.
Gary agreed reluctantly, so they met up with Robertson. He
was a wiry man with a sharp gaze and a
passion for unexplained phenomenon. This is what this dude lived for.
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He listened without judgment. He wrote down notes as they
recounted the dish, the hum, the blackout. He said, this
is serious. You get a classic missing time case. Hypnosis
might unlock what happened. This is what always This is
always the next step with you of those the event
and then the hypnosis which makes this is the whole
thing that brings the doubt into all.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Of it, almost all of them. This is this is
what happens. I don't remember. The hypnosis brings it out right.
I agree with you. It brings out the doubt because
this is.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
What really Yeah, because they didn't remember, but now they remember.
Is it being suggested to him?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
There's been plenty of false memory cases with hypnosis, not just.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So. That's why in this case and a lot of them.
In this case, they tried to bring in somebody. This
lady doesn't want to know what they're coming in for.
She doesn't want to know the situation. But she also
knows the guy that's bringing a man and this is
what he tends to do. So again, anyways, the idea
of hypnosis make Gary uneasy. He didn't want to It
felt too much like losing control, but Colin assisted. He
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wanted to know what happened, he said, we can't just
pretend it didn't happen. They agreed to a session with
Helen Walters. This is a lady, a trained hypnotherapist that
Robertson trusted what they uncovered would change how they saw
that night and themselves. Two years after that faithful drive
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on a seventy. In the spring of nineteen ninety four,
Gary Woods and Colin Wright sat in a small, dimly
lipped lit office in Edinburgh. Helen Walters, a hypnotherapist with
a gentle voice, steady demeanor, adjusted or notepad. Malcolm Robertson
stood by his tape recorder whirling. Gary shifted in his chair,
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his mechanic hands fidgeted. I don't know about this, he muttered,
glancing at Colin. Feels like letting somebody poke around in
my head. And I don't know that I would care
for hypnosis myself either.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Have you ever been I don't want anybody poking around
him there?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
This too much shit in there that you really get
me locked up for a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Some of those boxesn't meant to stay seen.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
This is the reason. Some of those things I filed
away for a long clearly labeled do not open? Sorry,
where was I? Colin gave a nod. We need answers, mate,
we can't keep dodging it. The missing ninety minutes from
August night in nineteen ninety two haunted them both, especially Gary,
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though he had headaches nightmares since that something had happened
under that disc that night. So Colin went first. His
session was scheduled earlier in the day, but Gary insisted
on being there. He wanted to be present for both.
Helen guided calling into a trance, her words, slow and deliberate.
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Picture yourself back on the A seventy in the car
with Gary. What do you see. It's dark, the disc
is above us, so big, the hum it's in my bones.
Then a pause, his breath quickened. I'm not in the
car anymore. I'm somewhere else. Under the hypnosis, Colin's memory
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unspooled like a fractured film. Colin writes account elicited through hypnosis.
Colin recalled being taken from the car after the shimmering
mist enveloped them, finding himself in a circular room, featureless,
with a soft glow and no visible seams or fixtures.
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It's like the whole room was almost like back then.
They would they would say, you know, there was like
it was stree d printed, you know, like there's no
scenes where anything came together or anything like that. They
both said the same thing. He was stripped of his
clothes and placed in a chair that seemed molded to
his body. Apparently aliens don't like clothes either those that
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shit's gone in every case, not only they take you out,
they're like, fuck it, get them naked, cold and unyielding.
The chair was positioned in the center of the room,
surrounded by a handful of small human noyd beans roughly
three feet tall, with deformed, almost grotesque features by human standards.
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Their faces were dominated by large black eyes, and their
skin appeared gray and smooth, lacking hair or distinguishing marks
beyond their unsettling appearance. So we got another case of
grays here. Yeah, you know, but they weren't just grays.
There were some other like deformities as some of these
beings had.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Going back to the beginning of the most accession. Both
guys are in the room at this.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Point, you know what, this is the whole thing they are,
and Gary there through the whole thing. They go on
about how their stories are so similar.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I I disagree whole heartedly.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Gary, Gary was there.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
For Collins that should not happen, No, and that, of
course your memory is gonna.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Fight, of course. And that's the one thing that drove
me crazy about this case is that he insisted for
being both and they're all like, well, their stories are
almost exact. I'm like, well, I did hear his story.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'd like cops interrogating all their suspects on the same thing.
It makes no sense. Of course, the story is going
to match.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Where was I humanoid beings roughly three feet tall. Yeah,
I told you that part. A device with a triangular
head and red lights approached Colin, scanning his body with
a low hum. When it reached his face, he experienced
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excruciating pain in his left eye, describing it as a
red hot poker had been inserted. He said he didn't
know the eye. His eye continued to like water through
the whole thing. He said, it was almost like a
hot poker. A needle went right in the center of
his eye. The pain was so intense that he screamed,
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though he wasn't sure if the sound was audible or
in the in his mind. That's the other thing. They're
always there, like they start communicating with these beings or
at the time, they'll be screaming, but they don't know
if they're literally screaming in their head or if they're
screaming out loud. Yeah, this is actually this is in
nineteen ninety two, and this was actually the very first
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abduction case ever documented in Scotland, which is like way
later Scotland's late to the game. Sorry, guys. The being
seemed indifferent to his distress. They just continued their examination.
Colin felt restrained, unable to move his limbs, and since
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that the beings were extracting something from him, he didn't
know if it was rather physical, mental, or energetic. As
his statement that he made and this is going to
come up with Gary too, it's almost like they felt
like they took something from them that they couldn't explain.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Grays aren't known most of the cases for being particularly sensitive.
They just do what they do.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
No, the grays seem robotic in a lot of cases.
A lot of people think they're drones.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, they're doing what they're talking to do.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
They don't care if you feel in pain or not.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
The procedure felt invasive and he was overwhelmed by fear
and helplessness. He did recall some type of communication from
the smaller creatures. It was nonverbal, possibly telepathic, and it
conveyed a sense of purpose behind their actions. Though the
pacifics were vague, The beings did not articulate a clear message,
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but Colin felt that they were studying him with the
detached curiosity, as if he were part of an examination experiment.
Excuse me, He sensed no malice, only a cold efficiency.
The examination ended abruptly, but Colin had no memory of
returning to the car, only waking to find it facing
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the wrong direction on the A seventy gary listening which
he shouldn't have been, felt his stomach lurch. Colin's word
painted the picture he hadn't dare imagine. He saw other humans,
maybe five or six, on tables nearby. This is Colin still,
their faces blurred, eyes closed. The room hummed, a low
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vibration that pulsed through the table into his chest. That
hum was consistent with both of them all the time.
There was strange tools, like floating needles or lights hovering
above him. They're doing something to my head, Colin said, winching,
like they're looking inside. A tall being sat on the
edge of the on the edge of his vision, watching
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his presence, cold and clinical. Then a flash of light
and he was back in the car, disoriented, the lights
of the town flickering ahead, so Helen brought calling out gently.
His face was sweat full of sweat. He sat silently,
staring at the floor, as if piecing himself back together.
Then Gary's turn came next. Gary fought the urge to
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bolt and just take off. Helen said, just breathe. She
guided him into a trance. His story echoed Colin's story
with chilling consistency. Like we said, though if he was
actually in the.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Room, wouldn't be hard to damn, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
But he said, the disc is huge. It blocks out
the sky. Then, like Colin, he was no longer in
the car. Gary's memory of the craft was sharper, though
under hypnosis. Gary Wood recalled being transported from the road
into the craft through a mechanism he couldn't fully describe,
possibly a beam or direct physical transfer by small humanoid creatures.
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He found himself in a circular, featureless room with smooth,
seamless walls that emitted a faint glow, given the impression
of being inside a sterile, advanced environment. The room lacked
visible technology. There was like no screens or control panels,
but it felt unnaturally clean and other worldly. Gary was
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placed on a floating stretcher like platform, which hovered without
visible support, adding to the surreal nature of the setting.
Surrounding him were approximately twenty to thirty small humanoid beings
about three to four feet tall, with thin limbs and large, dark,
almond shaped eyes. These creatures had markings under This is
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a different part of it. They actually had markings under
their eyes, resembling Native American war paint. I haven't heard
this methodis new, though the patterns were not identical to
earthly design. The movements were quick and precise, almost robotic,
like we hear a lot about the grays and then
communicated without audible speech, possibly telepathically, though Gary didn't explicitly
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confirm this. Then a taller being, distinct from the other
ones appeared in the room. See it always seems to
be there's like this whole group of them, and then
there's this one other, taller, bigger being that's running the show.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Got to make the grand entrance exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The same as with Colin. This dow seem to be
off to the side observing watching. He was described as
being grayish white, with a larger head and more pronounced
dark eyes. This entity seemed to be in charge. Gary
felt an overwhelming sense of being observed and analyzed as
if he were a specimen. The smaller beings performed what
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seemed like a medical examination using instruments that emitted light
or faint vibrations. Gary reported feeling electric shocks or pulses
through his body, particularly when the device with a device
that resembled this scanner passed over him. The procedure was
not overtly painful, unlike his poor buddy you had Collins.
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Gotta be like, fuck you Gary.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It gets stabbed in it.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I literally burn my eyeball out, but it's like
it's a little painful, not crazy. When back was a
little sore, but deeply unsettling, though accompanied by a sense
of being unable to move, possibly due to paralysis induced
by the beings or the technology. That's the whole thing
with this. They don't no one ever seems to know
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if it's like they're using their mind to stop them
from being able to move, or this and that, or
they have some type of technology that does it. I've
always been under the impression that it was like something
they could do if they could talk to them through hypnosis,
they could talk to him through telepathy, that they could
probably stop.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Them from being able to move stands to reason.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So the taller being he actually communicated directly with Gary,
though the method, whether telepathic or verbal, is unclear, and
his recollections. The being spoke of Earth as a sanctuary,
implying it was a protected or significant place in a
broader cosmic context. More strikingly, it stated that human potential
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was capped, suggesting some form of limitation or suppression on
humanity's development, possibly intellectual, spiritual, or technological. The beings tone
was not hostile, but clinical, as if explaining in immutable fact.
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Gary sense frustration or resignation in the message, though he
couldn't articulate why the examination ended abruptly, and he had
no memory of how he was returned to the car,
only that he awoke disoriented, with new scars on his
body and a lingering sense of violation. So the I mean,
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the whole sanctuary thing is really weird. When this guy,
I believe, when I was reading more into it, he
says something about he asked what they wanted, and he
was talking about sanctuary yep, and and the whole human
being capped. I don't I've heard different of these alien
different things in these alien stories, and it sounds almost
like a lot of them come to like like we're
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almost like a container, you know what I mean, like
a container for souls. These ones, these both guys thought
that they pulled something from them that felt like like
energy or something that wasn't physical.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It sounds like they're talking of almost like settings on
an electronic device, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I mean, right, if you look at a lot of
these a lot of these cases and what people believe,
they're like almost believe. Some people believe that like here
on Earth, our bodies are like a container, and like
the container for souls, and they can't understand the concept
of the soul. Something along those lines is what they
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study or whatever. I don't know. You hear so many
different theories, but there's something to it for sure. Yeah,
it seems it's repeat so often. So when Helen brought
him out, Gary's hands were shaken. He and Colin barely spoke,
their eyes meeting in the shared silent horror. Colin's reviewed
the tape. Reviewing the tape was stunned by the overlap
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in their accounts. I mean, we discussed the what that
could be, he said. There are independent sessions, but nearly
identical details. The diss the grays, the taller beings, and
the sterile cart and other humans. This is an imagination,
he told them. You described a classic abduction scenario, collaborated
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by each other. The sessions left Gary and Colin raw.
Though Colin couldn't sleep for days. He was haunted by
the Grays. Gary, usually stoic, found himself snapping at co workers,
his temperature, his temperature, his temper out of control. The
headaches and nausea from nineteen ninety two returned. They were
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even worse now, as if the memory had reopened a wound.
They met Robertson again. He was pouring over the transcripts.
Colin asked him, why us, What did they want? Robertson
had no answers, only theories, experimentation, observation, or something beyond
human understanding. There was another thing where I saw that
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they thought that maybe when Colin asked this question, they
kind of thought that they were more there for Gary
than they were for Colin. Colin was just there, pokam
in the end. How's that feelings? They're just fucking with
him in that room. We got his buddy over here.
They had to find something to do with Colin. What
are we going to do? Have you tried poking his eye.
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The hypnosis gave them clarity, but no peace. Gary, the skeptic,
wrestled with the idea that something not of this world
had taken him. Colin, more open to the paranormal, felt violated,
his sense of safety shattered. They agreed to let Robertson
share their story, hoping it might connect them to others
with similar experiences. Malcolm Robertson's office in Edinburgh was a
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cluttered mess. It was like a shrine to the unexplained.
It was late spring nineteen ninety four and Robertson sat
across from Gary Woods and Colin's wright, his tape recorder
once again recording, capturing every word. They have no secession
with Helen Walters had just peeled back the veil on
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their ace encounter. Now Robertson jaw His job was to
dig deeper to see if their story is held up
under scrutiny. This is one of the strongest cases I've seen,
Robertson told them, his voice steady but tingled with excitement.
Two witnesses consistent accounts, missing time, but we need to
rule out the mundane. Gary, still rattled from hypnosis, crossed
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his arms. Mundane, I know what I saw, Malcolm. That
thing wasn't a bloody weather balloon. Colin quieter nodded, his
eyes fixed on a coffee stain on the table. Robertson said,
I believe you, but the world won't. We need evidence,
and that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
You come out with something. No, there's people that are
going to believe you. But his the rare I think
more today than used to.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So Robertson had chased UFO stories across Scotland for years,
but the A seventy case f felt different. Two ordinary guys,
like I said, These two had no history is seeking attention.
They were shaken to their core. He started with the
basic their timeline and we can go through all that.
It was August seventeenth, nineteen ninety two. The two of
them left Edinburgh around ten thirty. They're delivering that satellite
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system to their friend, which I bet they'll never do again.
They should have arrived at eleven, but they didn't pull
up for almost an hour and a half later, so
there was ninety minutes of missing time. So Robertson mapped
out the A seventy stretch near the reservoir. It was
a very desolated spot. There was no street lights, just
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field and the occasional sheet. He drove out to the
site himself. Robertson pieced the road. He scanned for physical traces.
He's looking for burn marks, radiation, anything, and he found nothing.
Nothing but gravel and grass. There was no scoresure earth,
no bent signs. But if a craft was hovering twenty
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feet up, he muttered to himself, it might not leave
a trace.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Now, how long after the event is this? This is
the year, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah? He went back to the exact spot and uh,
nothing two years later.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Though, I mean, yeah, it wouldn't be anything anyway.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Exactly if you're guys he scorched earth, that shit's going
to have. I mean, I guess some of these cases
at least something permanent behind. But yeah, I mean, you're
this isn't until two years later when he starts looking.
He checked with the local farmers and residents. Had anyone
seeing strange lights that night? But who's going to remember
two years back?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
You know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I don't remember two.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Days though, I really can't.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I'm horrible. The older I get, the worse it gets,
he said. But there was nothing The silence was frustrating
but not surprising. He also said that you know rural Scotland,
they slept early there and the I seventy was a
lonely road. There wasn't much going on on this road.
So back in Edinburgh, Robertson grilled the two. He grilled
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them separately, probing for cracks in their stories. Gary's account
was blunt, almost defiant. Once again, the diss thirty wide,
black and glowing colin was softer, but no less vivid.
The same diss, the same hub, hub hum, the same void.
The description of the hypnosis revealed gray beings with black eyes,
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a taller figure overseeing it all. Robertson cross checked their
accounts against UFO reports worldwide. The grays, the taller, humanoid,
the clinical setting. It echoed cases like you know Betty
and Barney Hill in nineteen sixty one or Travis Walton
in nineteen sixty five. It was textbook, Robertson noted, though
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he knew textbook wouldn't convince skeptics. He explored alternative explanations.
Could have been a military test. Royal Air Force bases
weren't far, but no known aircraft matched to this silent
hovering profile a shared hallucination unlikely. Both men were sober, healthy,
and their stories aligned without coaching sleep deprivation or prank.
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Gary and Colin were adamant they'd been alert, joking before
the setting, and neither had a flare for theatrics. Robertson
contacted the met Office. No unusual weather phenomenon, no low
flying airplanes logged that night. The missing time ninety minutes
unaccounted for, remained the strongest hook. Time doesn't just vanish.
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Robertson told them something interrupted your reality. Robertson's next step
was the car, Gary's red Ford Escort, which is a classic.
Those are so big in the nineties. And you hear
red Ford Escort or Ford Ranger. Ford had all the
cars back then. It sat in his grudge. Robertson brought
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in a colleague with a Geiger counter, half hoping for
a spike in radiation. The needle barely twitched. They checked
for electromagnetic interference, sometimes reported in UFO cases. You hear
that banging, Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the washing machine
or the house is crazy on it. I saw you looking.
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I'm like I heard it too, But the car's electronics
were fine if they were taking. Robertson mused the craft
didn't leave a calling card. Still, he documented everything. No
one skeptics would demand physical proof, not just memories. But
that's a problem. There's no physical proof from this.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Word of the case started to leak. Robertson shared preliminary
findings with the UFO research circles, including BUFORA, which is
the British UFO Research Association. Then a local journalist caught
win and a small article ran in the Edinburgh paper,
Local men claim UFO encounter on a seventy. The piece
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was light on details, heavy on skepticism, suggesting the men
might have had a pint too many. Gary was pissed.
We don't even drink on weeknights, he snapped to Robertson.
Colin shrank from the attention, dreading the inevitable jabs from
mates at the pub. The article sparked a trickle of interest.
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A few locals called Robertson, claiming that they had seen
odd lights in the Western Loathan over the years. One
woman swore she had spotted a glowing disc near Livingston
in nineteen ninety. Robertson logged it all building a file
on the region's UFO history. West Loathan, part of the
so called the Falkirk Triangle, was a hotspot for sightings,
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with dozens reported annually, but none of them matched to
A seventy k specifically, The truth isness. The truth is
in the witnesses, not the ground, he said. But if
you got nothing, you got I mean, if you got nothing,
it's just all hearsay For Garyan Colin, the investigation was
a double edged sword. Robertson beliefs validated them, but reliving
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the night through interviews reopened the wounds. Gary's headaches returned.
They were terrible, sharp and relentless. He started noticing odd things,
street lights flickering when he walked by. I've heard this
in other cases too, A faint hum in his ears
at night. He didn't tell Robertson, afraid he would sound crazy.
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But Colin was worse. He is withdrawing into himself. He'd
avoid the a seventy entirely. He'd wake from dreams of
black eyes and cold tables, his heart racing. I just
want to forget it, he told Gary over a pint.
But forgetting wasn't an option. But Robertson. He pressed on.
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He scheduled more interviews, reached out to UFO experts like
Jenny Randall's for insight. He planned to present the case
at a before conference, hoping to draw out other witnesses
with similar stories. But the growing attention worried Gary and Colin.
What if people think were nuts? They're definitely going to
think you're nothing nuts, Colin asked. Robertson was blunt. Some will,
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but the truth doesn't need anyone's approval, and that's super
easy for Roberson. You're not the one Exactly. As summer
nineteen ninety four faded, the A seventy case was no
longer just their story. It was becoming a public puzzle,
a lightning rod for belief and doubt. Robertson's tapes and
notes were piling up, but the answers remained elusive. What
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had taken Gary and Colin? Why them? And why leave
them with memories that felt like scars. The small Edinburgh's
newspaper article had cracked the dam, and snippets were trickling
to the tabloids and radio chat. The first big wave
hit when the Glasgow Tabloid ran a splashy headline alien
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abduction on Scottish Road. Remember this wasn't something that really
hit Scotland monk. The story, cobbled together from Robertson's early findings,
painted garyon Colin as bewildered every day amen, claiming a
glowing disc had snatched him off the A seventy. It
mentioned the missing ninety minutes, the hypnosis revealing grays, the beings,
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gray beings, and a sterile craft, but lean hard into sensationalism,
tossing in a blurry stock photo of a UFO that
looked nothing like what they described. Gary piss slammed the
paper down in his garage. This makes us sound like loons,
he growled the Colin over the phone. Colin, already shrinking
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from the stairs of his job, muttered, I told you
we should just keep quiet. Would you if this happened
to you.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I can see why they think that. I doubt I would,
But in hindsight, I can see once you let the
genie out of the bottle, once people start laughing at
you sit, you can't put it back.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I know, I know I couldn't keep my fucking maulsion.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
No, I don't think I could eat, but I would.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Really fucking try after you see, while people are treated.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
If you know for a fact what you're saying is true,
do you really really fucking care if they'll laughing at you.
I'm sure to you, but.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Uh, if it's constant, you know, and it sounds like
it was like relentless.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, but this other guy is going to get a
book to you out of it.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, that's true. Robinson's gonna be fired. That's nothing. Let's
keep going. Quit being a pussy. Someone's gonna make some
money here. The article wasn't all bad. It drew tips
from locals. A trucker called Robertson claiming he's seen weird
lights near the Harper Rig Reserve, a reservoir a week
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before the incident. A Tarbax's woman swore her dog had
hauled at the sky than the August night in nineteenth
ninety two. Robertson logged every lead, no matter how small,
but most were too vague to pin down. Public reaction
was a mixed bag At the pub. Gary's mates ribbed
immersively off to Mars Mars next Woods, but some were curious,
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asking quiet questions over their beer. Collins co workers were
less kind. He over heard snickers about it's the same
fucking thing every time, little green men in the break room.
A few locals, though, reached out with empathy. One man,
a retired postman, told Robertson he seen a dish shaped
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object over Livingston in the eighties, too scared to report it. Then,
you don't want people thinking your daft, he said. Gary
and Colin nodded grimly when Robertson relayed this. They knew
the feeling. The media frenzy grew. A BBC Radio Scotland
segment invited Robertson to discuss the case, framing it as
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Scotland's strangest mystery. He brought Gary along, hoping to let
him tell his story directly. Gary, nervous but stubborn, described
the dishes, hum, the blackout, the cold tables under hypnosis.
The host, trying to keep things light, asked could have
been a dream. Gary's voice tightened. You don't dream the
same thing as you, mate, ass lose an hour and
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a half and wake up with headaches for weeks. The
switchboard lit up. Callers split between fascination and scorn. One
woman claimed aliens had visited her farm, Another called it
rubbish and hung up for Gary and Colin. The attention
was suffocating. Gary tried to shrug it off, but the
constant questions wore him down. Customers at his garage would ask,
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half joking, if he'd met et yet. You know, you
know that fucking lame jokes coming every time one dropped
off a car with the toy aliens strapped to the dash,
grinning like it was a joke. Gary just tossed it
in a drawer. Colin stopped going to the pub altogether.
I can't handle the looks, he told Robertson during the
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follow up meeting. His nightmares hadn't stopped. Colin started sketching
what he saw in his hypnosis crew, drawings of almond
eyed beings and seamless walls, as if putting it on
paper made less real. Their families struggled too. Gary's wife, Susan,
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believed him, but worried about the toll, his short temper,
his restless night. He's not himself, she confided to Robertson.
Colin's parents were skeptical, urging him to move on. Both
men felt caught violated by Robertson's work and alienated by
the world's reaction. They agreed to share their stories to
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fine answers, maybe connect with others, but the spotlight brought
more questions and clarity. Gary tried to bury it. Work
was his anchor, fixing engines, bantering with customers, but day
seventy crept in. He'd betight in a bolt when a
sudden flash of memory would stop him cold. His headaches,
which started right after that August nineteen ninety two night,
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never fully left. They'd spike without warning, sharp behind his eyes,
sometimes paired with a faint hum in his in his ears.
It was like they left something in me, he told
his wife Susan one night.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
That wouldn't be the first time.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
No, and maybe that's the hum. I mean you think
about like an alien m plant or something like that.
He always felt like there was something there, like they.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Were scanning and probing, and shit they did. They could
have eased it.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
And it's funny because Gary's the one with all the
headaches and shit, but Colin's the one that they put
the hop fucking poker in his eye. So Susan noticed.
Gary avoided driving at night, especially on rural roads. The
A seventy off limits entirely. I get it, he take
a twenty minute detour to avoid it. Once, when Susan
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suggested a shortcut through harper Rig Reserve Reservoir. I do
it every time, Gary snapped, never again, his voice sharp
enough to silence the room. Collin's hypno succession with Helen
Walters in ninety four had unlocked vivid images, but they
also fractured his sense of safety. Those nightmares were constant,
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almost every night. They'd jerk him awake and his heart
would be pounding, but he kept sketching what he saw.
It helps, he told Malcolm during a check in, but
his shaky hands said otherwise. Gary and Colin had been
friends for years, but the A seventy bound them in
a new, uneasy way. They'd meet occasionally having a pint
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in a quiet corner, but the conversation always circled back
to that night. Do you ever feel like they're still watching?
Colin asked once, his voice barely audible. Gary, staring into
his glass, didn't answer. The silence said enough. Malcolm Robertson
stayed in touch. He'd call and visit, checking on their
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well being while updating them on the case. He found
no new evidence, but he can, but he'd connect with
other abductees whose stories echoed theirs. You're not alone, he
told them, sharing anonymous accounts from a woman in Fife
and a man in Aberdeen. It was comforting but also
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upsetting how many others were carrying this kind of secret.
Gary threw himself into his work. He took up jogging
to burn off the restless energy. He even started attending
church with Susan, though he wasn't religious. He said, he's
just looking for answers, but the questions lingered, why them?
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What did the beings want? Colin meanwhile leaned into research.
He scoured libraries for books on abduction. He contacted Robertson
for updates, even joined the UFO discussion group in Edinburgh.
The group met monthly in a community center. Colin rarely spoke,
but listened to others, some claiming their own enclouners. This
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made him feel less isolated. Robertson never stopped champion in
the A seventy case. By nineteen ninety seven, he published
a detail account in the UFO magazine, later expanding it
into a book, Like You said, He had to get
his book deal course UFO Case Files of Scotland. The
A seventy story became the cornerstone of his work. At
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conferences across the UK, from London to Glasgow, Robertson presented
the case to packed rooms of researchers, enthusiasts and skeptics.
Their friendship endured, but it was different, less pub banter,
more late night calls when one needed event. Do you
ever wonder what they want? Colin asked Gary in nineteen
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ninety eight over coffee in a quiet cafe. Gary shrugged
his jaw. Tight, doesn't matter, They got it. They rarely
spoke of the other humans on the table, their blurred
face from their hypnosis memories. It was too much, too heavy.
By the late two thousands, Gary and Colin had stepped
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back from the spotlight. Robertson respected their privacy, updating them
only when new leads surfaced. They never recanted, never wavered,
even as the world debates, that's the story of.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
The Robertson's staying in touch, just because you know, a
little sequel material.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Exists in case they come up with something.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Sure, you guys don't get anything else. So he never
did really uncover any not saying it didn't have it,
But through all his research he never.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
He never came up with anything other than their stories.
And now, when you really start digging, I mean, that's
the story right there, but you really start digging. There
was a time because they asked if there's ever revisited
or anything like that. Gary had a story that he
awoke from a dream and one of them were standing
at the foot of his bed and he lushed out
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of bed and hit it and it went hurling across
the room. This is one short story, but it also
reminds me of another. I haven't done the story, but
it's like maybe we did, but it's like he feels
violated because he wanted to punch him when he was
in there. He was angry. He's that tough guy. And
then later on after the story, years later, Oh, they
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came back, but this time, remember we did a story
like that, but this time I got him. I didn't
even put it in the story because that it seems
like somebody just trying to Yeah, we we I don't
remember which story it was we did.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
If you couldn't jack them the first time, I really
doubt the second.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
This time, I wasn't paralyzed. I saw the little guy
and I beat the fuck out of him, you know.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Like I feel guilty.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Send Bob down, let him bitch, slap Bob. Bob likes it.
Just take a couple of Bob come back, Bob's into it,
Bob gets off on Yay. So anyways, that's the case
of the Ay seven. So I put it at six
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or seven. But these guys didn't make cash off of it.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Robertson did, but their story standard.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, their story didn't waiver. They didn't go out and
do it. They did a few interviews, they didn't do
all the tours. They seem to have put it out
there and almost regretted it instantly. So yeah, I put
it as a legitimate They didn't get anything from it.
They weren't looking for the attention that they got. So
it probably six or seven.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I put it in that same ballpark too. All right, guys,
we're gonna head over to the fire pit, catch up
with her. I get to know what's on it.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
I all right, guys, before we get started, we need
your stories beyond the Shadows two O seven at gmail
dot com. Like we always tell you, it doesn't have
to be paranormal, but it certainly can be anything you
talk about with your friends around the fire pit, So
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get them into us. We need them.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
And Ryan, Hey, guys, it's your resident rodent Bunny. Sorry
it's been a minute. Dealing with depression is fun not.
I want to tell you about the scariest encounter I
ever had in my haunted house. I still haven't recovered
to this day. A little explanation about the house. Upstairs
is shaped like a big circle. The stairs leading up
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is in the middle. Off to the left is my
parents' bedroom. The bottom of the circle is the reading nook,
and the right side is my room, shared with an
extra bedroom, which is now split into two bathrooms. Before
the renovations, the house was unfinished straight out of nineteen ten.
We renovated the bedrooms in the hallway first, but the
closets and the extra bedroom were untouched for the longest time.
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In about twenty eighteen, I headed up the stairs and
ran ran down the hall to avoid the extra bedroom.
To me, that room was the ghost room. I hated
going upstairs alone, but I did it anyway every night terrified.
This night was different, though. Sitting in my room, I
started to hear creaks, just an old house. Though then
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there was a consistent flot do board creaks like someone
or someone was walking in the room next to mine.
Feeling a little on edge, I decided to brush it off.
The next thing I knew, objects in the old room
started to move and was thrown around the room. Absolutely
terrified and frozen in fear, I built up the courage
to run down the hall, rock it down the stairs
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into my parents in the living room. Mom, Dad, there's
a ghost upstairs. It's throwing things around in the extra bedroom.
My parents already knew about the ghost upstairs, but throwing
things around was a new development. My dad, being so brave,
sent my mom to figure, I get it. Slowly my room,
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excuse me, slowly my mom crept forward and up the stairs.
All while there were bangs, creaks, and drags coming from
the room. Hello, my mom called into the room. All
went quiet. Then through the doorway came our dog, Sophie.
You see, we made the extra bedroom into a sort
of storage room and kept some decorations in there. Sophie's
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favorite thing to do was to find the Easter eggs
and pop them open. What had happened is that she
got into the bedroom found the bag of Easter eggs
we recently stored away and was popping them open and
chucking them there, chucking them around the room in a
fit of glee. So there's my spooky story about the
spooky room with the spooky dog. I was so terrified.
I was genuinely crying out of fear and nearly caused
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a heart attack. Man, Well, remember who you are and
don't let it get you down. Bunny.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
That's a great story, a really good thing. And you
know it's funny because when you do grow up in
the haunted house, you are so much more likely to
believe every little noise you hear is a ghost. You know,
most people try to reason it away, but when you
think your house is haunted, everything you hear is that.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
You know, Oh, I would have thought it was, definitely
I would. I would have been on the same page
with one hundred percent. Another dog comes on, You're like, oh, fuck, all.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
The great story. We really appreciate it. Get your stories
into us, guys, We need them, and we will catch
you in the next one later.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Guys,
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
dark tales and paranormal mysteries.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
As we go beyond in the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation and
all the like are.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Do you know what the most in the world is?
On the shuttles where you found me at you can't
see me in the deepest blacks when your heart starbus
and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
that you why at track well, the defense be where
the actions at.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So this enough you.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Want it, UFOs, all the ghosts. We got everything that
you want.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It won't do you know what the thing in the
world is?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Hey, and welcome back to episode one hundred and forty
four of Beyond the Shadows.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Welcome back Shadow Army. Right off the get go the
poll for Ryan's episode. I was a little late putting
it up if you didn't notice, but the pole looks
like nobody believed that they were actually possessed. No, no,
Anita did we No, no, so just a cover for
their story. And then of course the Warrens make it,
you know, like it always does.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Once Ed steps on scene, it already loses credibility for me. Yes,
but I believe they did investigate a lot of legit
hauntings that I don't doubt. It's just that Ed exaggerates
the shit out of everything and it kind of just
kills the credibility.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Right, absolutely does quite a few. We have what three
new ratings on Apple we did. I didn't write the
names down, but I will. I'll mention them on the
next episode. But we really appreciate those reviews help a lot,
and uh yeah, there's three great ones. So thank you
for that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Thanks for taking the time, guys. Uh So, this week,
we've got two hikers in New York's Adirondacks who called
nine one one to report a third member of their
party had died. A forest ranger responded to the call
that came from the top of Cascade Mountain. Now, in
the meantime, the two hikers approach a stewart on the
mountain to say that they are lost, even though they
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were on like a well marked trade.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Right everywhere something seems off.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Turns out that the two were just tripping their balls
off on shrooms, tripping balls. The third member of their
party not only wasn't dead, wasn't even injured.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Now he was just lost. He's just fine tripping balls.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So, in an ironic twist, the two that called nine
to one one for the dead friend were the ones
that were brought off the mountain in an ambulance.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The dead friend, he was good to go, stave Man,
No day's not here.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Researchers on an Island and Panama have noticed a new
fad amongst capuchin monkeys that they call viscerally disturbing. Adolescent
and juveniles of the species have begun to kidnap the
infants of other monkey species, seemingly just out of boredom,
just for fun, for entertainment.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, these monkeys need something to do.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Man, Apparently, so a lot of the researchers they're not
on scene, so it takes them a while to figure
the shit out because they're reviewing like trail cam footage
rolling back years. So now that they've started digging, it's
been going on for at least three years. It started
with a monkey they call Joker, and then when other
monkeys saw it, they started doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Copying it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But other than carrying them, the Capuchin monkeys are not
taking care of the monkeys they're kidnapping.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, they're just taking them and then away pretty much it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
They wither away and they pretty much assume they die.
They don't see it on a film, but it's weird though.
The monkey species that the Capuchins are, I didn't write
it down. Howler monkeys. They're kidnapping theirs, but howler monkey,
he's a way bigger and more aggressive than the puch
and so I'm not sure how they're getting them.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
But the Kapucha monkeys are just mischief all the time.
So they said they're just stern shit up through the
jungle leg crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, the guy's words were one of the guys with
tobotim said they are chaos agents.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That's all they do is go start ship. They're doing
this for no reason at all other than their board.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
They roam through the forest, ripping up and manipulating everything
in sight. That's a quote from Brendan Barrett, an expert.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It kind of reminds me of like the orcards that
are tearing up the sailboats. This is doing it for fun.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We're humans.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah, it reminds me of them too, except for
the look of forest that needs to be torn up right,
other than the whole kidnapping thing.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
A guy on Boston's South Shore was arrested for performing
a lewd act while driving alongside another car on the
George Washington Boulevard this past Monday. He deliberately tried to
match his speed to the car beside him while.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
He performed US one out.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
They didn't say that, they described blue Dad.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
They said it without saying that. So he massed the speed.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So he could maintain eye contact. It was a car
full of people. He didn't want them to miss the show. No,
he wanted them to see it. And I was telling Ryan,
this would have been so much better if he just
had full self driving. You know it's coming. The future
is almost here. Guy, Hold on, guy trying to do
that while he's driving. The car is going to be
doing ten forty ten. But before long, don't worry, that
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guy will be able to pull up right beside you,
stare you in the face, and just finish one out.
Thirty nine year old Philip Hall was arrested on charges
of open engross lewdness, negligent operation of a motor vehicle
and unsafe operation of a motor vehicle. But I think
carjack and apply so.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Very much.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I would have gotten him for that. So that's the
news for this week. What do you get going on?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, we're going to take it back to alien abduction,
another one of the oaths.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
People seem to like those.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, this one's coming out of Scotland.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh nice, Yeah, Well we'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Do you know what the world is?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
All right? We're headed back to the nineteen nineties where
Ryan had a sweet ass mullet. You know your that
Megadeth t shirt like Beavis buttet. It was August seventeenth,
nineteen ninety two, a warm summer evening in West Loathan, Scotland.
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Gary Woods thirty three, a mechanic with a no nonsense streak,
gripped the wheel of his red Ford Escort as it
hummed along the A seventy Beside him sat Colin Wright
twenty five, a quieter sort, lanky and thoughtful, his eyes
scanning the darkening field. The two men were headed to Tarbaracks,
a small village to top off excuse me to drop
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off a satellite system for a friend. It was a
routine erin the kind they'd done one hundred times before.
The A seventy was a lonely stretch flanked by hedgerows
and sheep fields, with only the occasional farmhouse light flickering
in the distance. In nineteen ninety two, Scotland felt like
a world apart from the UFO mania gripping America. The
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X Files wouldn't hit the UK screens for another year,
but tabloid tabloids occasionally buzzed with grainy photos of supposed saucers.
Gary and Colin were the type weren't the type to
buy into that they were working fellows grounded, more likely
to scoff at alien's stories than entertain them. Yet, as
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the escorts headlights sliced through the dusk, something was waiting
that would shatter their sense of normal. Gary flicked on
the radio, catching a crackly pops on bloody reception out here,
He muttered, I do a really good Scottish accent. The
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only thing I have for reference is brave Heart or
freedom him. That's it all right, Colin chuckle, leaning back,
his shoes, scuffing the dashboard. The air was thick with
the scent of cut grass and engine oil, the night
closing in fast. They were about ten miles from Tarbracs
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near let me get this right, harp Rigg Reservoir. When
Colin squinted at the sky ahead, what's that? He said,
Gary followed his gaze above the road, maybe twenty feet up,
hovered a dish shaped object, blurred by a faint, pulsating glow.
It was massive, whiter than the road itself, maybe thirty
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feet across. Its surfaced a dull, metallic black, no wings,
no engines, just an eerie stillness. A low, throbbing hum
vibrated through the car, prickling their skin like static. What
the hell is that, Gary said, his hands tightening on
the wheel. Colin leaned forward, eyes wide. It's not a
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plane or helicopter, look at it. It's just sitting there.
The disc didn't move, didn't drift like it was pinned
to the sky. Gary slowed the car, instinct screaming to
keep moving, but curiosity pulling harder. The hum grew deeper,
resonating in their chest, and the air felt heavy, charged,
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like before a storm. The radio cut to static, then silence.
Drive under it, Colin asked, half joking, but Gary didn't answer.
He eased the car forward. The discs looming larger, is glowing,
its glow casting faint shadows on the asphalt. As they
passed beneath it, a curt and of darkness fell, not
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just night, but a thick, inky void that swallowed the
head lights, the road, everything. Gary's hands froze on the wheel.
Colin's breath caught. The world blinked out. Then nothing, no sound,
no lights, no sense of time, just blank. They said
that what came down it was like really thick, almost
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when they're going into almost like it was shimmering, like
you know what it looks like like. I think they
described it as like you know when it's real hot out, Yeah,
and there's like that it's night time, but you get
that like off the that mirage coming off of the
like that. And they went in and just pure darkness.
When awareness snapped back, Gary was still gripping the wheel,
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His knuckles were white. The car was moving, but the
dashboard clock read twelve forty five am, over ninety minutes
later than it should have been. Tabracks's lights twinkled head.
Colin was slump in his seat, his face pale, eyes unfocused.
What just happened? He gasped. Gary's mouth was dry, his
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head was pounding, like it was hit with a brick.
I don't know, he said, voice shaking. I don't bloody know.
They pulled up to their friend's house late, disoriented. Their
friend waiting at the door frown Where have you been?
You're over an hour late. Gary and Colin exchanged your glance,
their stomach's twisting. They mumbled something about car trouble, handed
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over the satellite system, and then left quickly. Neither mentioned
the disc not yet. In the days that followed, the
Knights just ate at him. Gary couldn't shake the headache,
the nausea, the flashes of unease that hit when he
tried to recall the drive. Colin was worse, jumpy, quiet,
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waking from nightmares he couldn't describe. They'd lost time, an
hour and a half unaccounted for, and the memory of
the glowing diss refused to fade. At the pub, they
tried to laugh at all off, but their friends noticed
the strain. You two look like you've seen a ghost,
one said, if only, if it were that simple. Gary,
the more stubborn of the pair, pushed it down, focusing
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on work, culling he couldn't let it go. He read
about missing time in the library book about UFOs, a
phrase that sent a chill through him. But by nineteen
ninety four, two years later, the weight of not knowing
was just too much. Colin finally convinced Gary to contact
Malcolm Robertson, a UFO researcher with the Scottish Paranormal Investigations.
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I'm not saying it was aliens, Colin said, his voice
low over a pint, but we need to know what happened.
Gary agreed reluctantly, so they met up with Robertson. He
was a wiry man with a sharp gaze and a
passion for unexplained phenomenon. This is what this dude lived for.
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He listened without judgment. He wrote down notes as they
recounted the dish, the hum, the blackout. He said, this
is serious. You get a classic missing time case. Hypnosis
might unlock what happened. This is what always This is
always the next step with you of those the event
and then the hypnosis which makes this is the whole
thing that brings the doubt into all.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Of it, almost all of them. This is this is
what happens. I don't remember. The hypnosis brings it out right.
I agree with you. It brings out the doubt because
this is.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
What really Yeah, because they didn't remember, but now they remember.
Is it being suggested to him?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
There's been plenty of false memory cases with hypnosis, not just.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So. That's why in this case and a lot of them.
In this case, they tried to bring in somebody. This
lady doesn't want to know what they're coming in for.
She doesn't want to know the situation. But she also
knows the guy that's bringing a man and this is
what he tends to do. So again, anyways, the idea
of hypnosis make Gary uneasy. He didn't want to It
felt too much like losing control, but Colin assisted. He
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wanted to know what happened, he said, we can't just
pretend it didn't happen. They agreed to a session with
Helen Walters. This is a lady, a trained hypnotherapist that
Robertson trusted what they uncovered would change how they saw
that night and themselves. Two years after that faithful drive
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on a seventy. In the spring of nineteen ninety four,
Gary Woods and Colin Wright sat in a small, dimly
lipped lit office in Edinburgh. Helen Walters, a hypnotherapist with
a gentle voice, steady demeanor, adjusted or notepad. Malcolm Robertson
stood by his tape recorder whirling. Gary shifted in his chair,
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his mechanic hands fidgeted. I don't know about this, he muttered,
glancing at Colin. Feels like letting somebody poke around in
my head. And I don't know that I would care
for hypnosis myself either.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Have you ever been I don't want anybody poking around
him there?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
This too much shit in there that you really get
me locked up for a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Some of those boxesn't meant to stay seen.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
This is the reason. Some of those things I filed
away for a long clearly labeled do not open? Sorry,
where was I? Colin gave a nod. We need answers, mate,
we can't keep dodging it. The missing ninety minutes from
August night in nineteen ninety two haunted them both, especially Gary,
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though he had headaches nightmares since that something had happened
under that disc that night. So Colin went first. His
session was scheduled earlier in the day, but Gary insisted
on being there. He wanted to be present for both.
Helen guided calling into a trance, her words, slow and deliberate.
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Picture yourself back on the A seventy in the car
with Gary. What do you see. It's dark, the disc
is above us, so big, the hum it's in my bones.
Then a pause, his breath quickened. I'm not in the
car anymore. I'm somewhere else. Under the hypnosis, Colin's memory
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unspooled like a fractured film. Colin writes account elicited through hypnosis.
Colin recalled being taken from the car after the shimmering
mist enveloped them, finding himself in a circular room, featureless,
with a soft glow and no visible seams or fixtures.
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It's like the whole room was almost like back then.
They would they would say, you know, there was like
it was stree d printed, you know, like there's no
scenes where anything came together or anything like that. They
both said the same thing. He was stripped of his
clothes and placed in a chair that seemed molded to
his body. Apparently aliens don't like clothes either those that
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shit's gone in every case, not only they take you out,
they're like, fuck it, get them naked, cold and unyielding.
The chair was positioned in the center of the room,
surrounded by a handful of small human noyd beans roughly
three feet tall, with deformed, almost grotesque features by human standards.
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Their faces were dominated by large black eyes, and their
skin appeared gray and smooth, lacking hair or distinguishing marks
beyond their unsettling appearance. So we got another case of
grays here. Yeah, you know, but they weren't just grays.
There were some other like deformities as some of these
beings had.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Going back to the beginning of the most accession. Both
guys are in the room at this.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Point, you know what, this is the whole thing they are,
and Gary there through the whole thing. They go on
about how their stories are so similar.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I I disagree whole heartedly.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Gary, Gary was there.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
For Collins that should not happen, No, and that, of
course your memory is gonna.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Fight, of course. And that's the one thing that drove
me crazy about this case is that he insisted for
being both and they're all like, well, their stories are
almost exact. I'm like, well, I did hear his story.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'd like cops interrogating all their suspects on the same thing.
It makes no sense. Of course, the story is going
to match.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Where was I humanoid beings roughly three feet tall. Yeah,
I told you that part. A device with a triangular
head and red lights approached Colin, scanning his body with
a low hum. When it reached his face, he experienced
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excruciating pain in his left eye, describing it as a
red hot poker had been inserted. He said he didn't
know the eye. His eye continued to like water through
the whole thing. He said, it was almost like a
hot poker. A needle went right in the center of
his eye. The pain was so intense that he screamed,
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though he wasn't sure if the sound was audible or
in the in his mind. That's the other thing. They're
always there, like they start communicating with these beings or
at the time, they'll be screaming, but they don't know
if they're literally screaming in their head or if they're
screaming out loud. Yeah, this is actually this is in
nineteen ninety two, and this was actually the very first
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abduction case ever documented in Scotland, which is like way
later Scotland's late to the game. Sorry, guys. The being
seemed indifferent to his distress. They just continued their examination.
Colin felt restrained, unable to move his limbs, and since
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that the beings were extracting something from him, he didn't
know if it was rather physical, mental, or energetic. As
his statement that he made and this is going to
come up with Gary too, it's almost like they felt
like they took something from them that they couldn't explain.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Grays aren't known most of the cases for being particularly sensitive.
They just do what they do.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
No, the grays seem robotic in a lot of cases.
A lot of people think they're drones.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, they're doing what they're talking to do.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
They don't care if you feel in pain or not.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
The procedure felt invasive and he was overwhelmed by fear
and helplessness. He did recall some type of communication from
the smaller creatures. It was nonverbal, possibly telepathic, and it
conveyed a sense of purpose behind their actions. Though the
pacifics were vague, The beings did not articulate a clear message,
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but Colin felt that they were studying him with the
detached curiosity, as if he were part of an examination experiment.
Excuse me, He sensed no malice, only a cold efficiency.
The examination ended abruptly, but Colin had no memory of
returning to the car, only waking to find it facing
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the wrong direction on the A seventy gary listening which
he shouldn't have been, felt his stomach lurch. Colin's word
painted the picture he hadn't dare imagine. He saw other humans,
maybe five or six, on tables nearby. This is Colin still,
their faces blurred, eyes closed. The room hummed, a low
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vibration that pulsed through the table into his chest. That
hum was consistent with both of them all the time.
There was strange tools, like floating needles or lights hovering
above him. They're doing something to my head, Colin said, winching,
like they're looking inside. A tall being sat on the
edge of the on the edge of his vision, watching
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his presence, cold and clinical. Then a flash of light
and he was back in the car, disoriented, the lights
of the town flickering ahead, so Helen brought calling out gently.
His face was sweat full of sweat. He sat silently,
staring at the floor, as if piecing himself back together.
Then Gary's turn came next. Gary fought the urge to
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bolt and just take off. Helen said, just breathe. She
guided him into a trance. His story echoed Colin's story
with chilling consistency. Like we said, though if he was
actually in the.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Room, wouldn't be hard to damn, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
But he said, the disc is huge. It blocks out
the sky. Then, like Colin, he was no longer in
the car. Gary's memory of the craft was sharper, though
under hypnosis. Gary Wood recalled being transported from the road
into the craft through a mechanism he couldn't fully describe,
possibly a beam or direct physical transfer by small humanoid creatures.
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He found himself in a circular, featureless room with smooth,
seamless walls that emitted a faint glow, given the impression
of being inside a sterile, advanced environment. The room lacked
visible technology. There was like no screens or control panels,
but it felt unnaturally clean and other worldly. Gary was
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placed on a floating stretcher like platform, which hovered without
visible support, adding to the surreal nature of the setting.
Surrounding him were approximately twenty to thirty small humanoid beings
about three to four feet tall, with thin limbs and large, dark,
almond shaped eyes. These creatures had markings under This is
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a different part of it. They actually had markings under
their eyes, resembling Native American war paint. I haven't heard
this methodis new, though the patterns were not identical to
earthly design. The movements were quick and precise, almost robotic,
like we hear a lot about the grays and then
communicated without audible speech, possibly telepathically, though Gary didn't explicitly
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confirm this. Then a taller being, distinct from the other
ones appeared in the room. See it always seems to
be there's like this whole group of them, and then
there's this one other, taller, bigger being that's running the show.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Got to make the grand entrance exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The same as with Colin. This dow seem to be
off to the side observing watching. He was described as
being grayish white, with a larger head and more pronounced
dark eyes. This entity seemed to be in charge. Gary
felt an overwhelming sense of being observed and analyzed as
if he were a specimen. The smaller beings performed what
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seemed like a medical examination using instruments that emitted light
or faint vibrations. Gary reported feeling electric shocks or pulses
through his body, particularly when the device with a device
that resembled this scanner passed over him. The procedure was
not overtly painful, unlike his poor buddy you had Collins.
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Gotta be like, fuck you Gary.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It gets stabbed in it.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I literally burn my eyeball out, but it's like
it's a little painful, not crazy. When back was a
little sore, but deeply unsettling, though accompanied by a sense
of being unable to move, possibly due to paralysis induced
by the beings or the technology. That's the whole thing
with this. They don't no one ever seems to know
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if it's like they're using their mind to stop them
from being able to move, or this and that, or
they have some type of technology that does it. I've
always been under the impression that it was like something
they could do if they could talk to them through hypnosis,
they could talk to him through telepathy, that they could
probably stop.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Them from being able to move stands to reason.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
So the taller being he actually communicated directly with Gary,
though the method, whether telepathic or verbal, is unclear, and
his recollections. The being spoke of Earth as a sanctuary,
implying it was a protected or significant place in a
broader cosmic context. More strikingly, it stated that human potential
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was capped, suggesting some form of limitation or suppression on
humanity's development, possibly intellectual, spiritual, or technological. The beings tone
was not hostile, but clinical, as if explaining in immutable fact.
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Gary sense frustration or resignation in the message, though he
couldn't articulate why the examination ended abruptly, and he had
no memory of how he was returned to the car,
only that he awoke disoriented, with new scars on his
body and a lingering sense of violation. So the I mean,
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the whole sanctuary thing is really weird. When this guy,
I believe, when I was reading more into it, he
says something about he asked what they wanted, and he
was talking about sanctuary yep, and and the whole human
being capped. I don't I've heard different of these alien
different things in these alien stories, and it sounds almost
like a lot of them come to like like we're
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almost like a container, you know what I mean, like
a container for souls. These ones, these both guys thought
that they pulled something from them that felt like like
energy or something that wasn't physical.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It sounds like they're talking of almost like settings on
an electronic device, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I mean, right, if you look at a lot of
these a lot of these cases and what people believe,
they're like almost believe. Some people believe that like here
on Earth, our bodies are like a container, and like
the container for souls, and they can't understand the concept
of the soul. Something along those lines is what they
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study or whatever. I don't know. You hear so many
different theories, but there's something to it for sure. Yeah,
it seems it's repeat so often. So when Helen brought
him out, Gary's hands were shaken. He and Colin barely spoke,
their eyes meeting in the shared silent horror. Colin's reviewed
the tape. Reviewing the tape was stunned by the overlap
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in their accounts. I mean, we discussed the what that
could be, he said. There are independent sessions, but nearly
identical details. The diss the grays, the taller beings, and
the sterile cart and other humans. This is an imagination,
he told them. You described a classic abduction scenario, collaborated
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by each other. The sessions left Gary and Colin raw.
Though Colin couldn't sleep for days. He was haunted by
the Grays. Gary, usually stoic, found himself snapping at co workers,
his temperature, his temperature, his temper out of control. The
headaches and nausea from nineteen ninety two returned. They were
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even worse now, as if the memory had reopened a wound.
They met Robertson again. He was pouring over the transcripts.
Colin asked him, why us, What did they want? Robertson
had no answers, only theories, experimentation, observation, or something beyond
human understanding. There was another thing where I saw that
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they thought that maybe when Colin asked this question, they
kind of thought that they were more there for Gary
than they were for Colin. Colin was just there, pokam
in the end. How's that feelings? They're just fucking with
him in that room. We got his buddy over here.
They had to find something to do with Colin. What
are we going to do? Have you tried poking his eye.
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The hypnosis gave them clarity, but no peace. Gary, the skeptic,
wrestled with the idea that something not of this world
had taken him. Colin, more open to the paranormal, felt violated,
his sense of safety shattered. They agreed to let Robertson
share their story, hoping it might connect them to others
with similar experiences. Malcolm Robertson's office in Edinburgh was a
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cluttered mess. It was like a shrine to the unexplained.
It was late spring nineteen ninety four and Robertson sat
across from Gary Woods and Colin's wright, his tape recorder
once again recording, capturing every word. They have no secession
with Helen Walters had just peeled back the veil on
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their ace encounter. Now Robertson jaw His job was to
dig deeper to see if their story is held up
under scrutiny. This is one of the strongest cases I've seen,
Robertson told them, his voice steady but tingled with excitement.
Two witnesses consistent accounts, missing time, but we need to
rule out the mundane. Gary, still rattled from hypnosis, crossed
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his arms. Mundane, I know what I saw, Malcolm. That
thing wasn't a bloody weather balloon. Colin quieter nodded, his
eyes fixed on a coffee stain on the table. Robertson said,
I believe you, but the world won't. We need evidence,
and that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
You come out with something. No, there's people that are
going to believe you. But his the rare I think
more today than used to.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So Robertson had chased UFO stories across Scotland for years,
but the A seventy case f felt different. Two ordinary guys,
like I said, These two had no history is seeking attention.
They were shaken to their core. He started with the
basic their timeline and we can go through all that.
It was August seventeenth, nineteen ninety two. The two of
them left Edinburgh around ten thirty. They're delivering that satellite
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system to their friend, which I bet they'll never do again.
They should have arrived at eleven, but they didn't pull
up for almost an hour and a half later, so
there was ninety minutes of missing time. So Robertson mapped
out the A seventy stretch near the reservoir. It was
a very desolated spot. There was no street lights, just
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field and the occasional sheet. He drove out to the
site himself. Robertson pieced the road. He scanned for physical traces.
He's looking for burn marks, radiation, anything, and he found nothing.
Nothing but gravel and grass. There was no scoresure earth,
no bent signs. But if a craft was hovering twenty
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feet up, he muttered to himself, it might not leave
a trace.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Now, how long after the event is this? This is
the year, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah? He went back to the exact spot and uh,
nothing two years later.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Though, I mean, yeah, it wouldn't be anything anyway.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Exactly if you're guys he scorched earth, that shit's going
to have. I mean, I guess some of these cases
at least something permanent behind. But yeah, I mean, you're
this isn't until two years later when he starts looking.
He checked with the local farmers and residents. Had anyone
seeing strange lights that night? But who's going to remember
two years back?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
You know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I don't remember two.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Days though, I really can't.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I'm horrible. The older I get, the worse it gets,
he said. But there was nothing The silence was frustrating
but not surprising. He also said that you know rural Scotland,
they slept early there and the I seventy was a
lonely road. There wasn't much going on on this road.
So back in Edinburgh, Robertson grilled the two. He grilled
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them separately, probing for cracks in their stories. Gary's account
was blunt, almost defiant. Once again, the diss thirty wide,
black and glowing colin was softer, but no less vivid.
The same diss, the same hub, hub hum, the same void.
The description of the hypnosis revealed gray beings with black eyes,
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a taller figure overseeing it all. Robertson cross checked their
accounts against UFO reports worldwide. The grays, the taller, humanoid,
the clinical setting. It echoed cases like you know Betty
and Barney Hill in nineteen sixty one or Travis Walton
in nineteen sixty five. It was textbook, Robertson noted, though
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he knew textbook wouldn't convince skeptics. He explored alternative explanations.
Could have been a military test. Royal Air Force bases
weren't far, but no known aircraft matched to this silent
hovering profile a shared hallucination unlikely. Both men were sober, healthy,
and their stories aligned without coaching sleep deprivation or prank.
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Gary and Colin were adamant they'd been alert, joking before
the setting, and neither had a flare for theatrics. Robertson
contacted the met Office. No unusual weather phenomenon, no low
flying airplanes logged that night. The missing time ninety minutes
unaccounted for, remained the strongest hook. Time doesn't just vanish.
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Robertson told them something interrupted your reality. Robertson's next step
was the car, Gary's red Ford Escort, which is a classic.
Those are so big in the nineties. And you hear
red Ford Escort or Ford Ranger. Ford had all the
cars back then. It sat in his grudge. Robertson brought
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in a colleague with a Geiger counter, half hoping for
a spike in radiation. The needle barely twitched. They checked
for electromagnetic interference, sometimes reported in UFO cases. You hear
that banging, Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the washing machine
or the house is crazy on it. I saw you looking.
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I'm like I heard it too, But the car's electronics
were fine if they were taking. Robertson mused the craft
didn't leave a calling card. Still, he documented everything. No
one skeptics would demand physical proof, not just memories. But
that's a problem. There's no physical proof from this.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Word of the case started to leak. Robertson shared preliminary
findings with the UFO research circles, including BUFORA, which is
the British UFO Research Association. Then a local journalist caught
win and a small article ran in the Edinburgh paper,
Local men claim UFO encounter on a seventy. The piece
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was light on details, heavy on skepticism, suggesting the men
might have had a pint too many. Gary was pissed.
We don't even drink on weeknights, he snapped to Robertson.
Colin shrank from the attention, dreading the inevitable jabs from
mates at the pub. The article sparked a trickle of interest.
(36:09):
A few locals called Robertson, claiming that they had seen
odd lights in the Western Loathan over the years. One
woman swore she had spotted a glowing disc near Livingston
in nineteen ninety. Robertson logged it all building a file
on the region's UFO history. West Loathan, part of the
so called the Falkirk Triangle, was a hotspot for sightings,
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with dozens reported annually, but none of them matched to
A seventy k specifically, The truth isness. The truth is
in the witnesses, not the ground, he said. But if
you got nothing, you got I mean, if you got nothing,
it's just all hearsay For Garyan Colin, the investigation was
a double edged sword. Robertson beliefs validated them, but reliving
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the night through interviews reopened the wounds. Gary's headaches returned.
They were terrible, sharp and relentless. He started noticing odd things,
street lights flickering when he walked by. I've heard this
in other cases too, A faint hum in his ears
at night. He didn't tell Robertson, afraid he would sound crazy.
(37:19):
But Colin was worse. He is withdrawing into himself. He'd
avoid the a seventy entirely. He'd wake from dreams of
black eyes and cold tables, his heart racing. I just
want to forget it, he told Gary over a pint.
But forgetting wasn't an option. But Robertson. He pressed on.
(37:39):
He scheduled more interviews, reached out to UFO experts like
Jenny Randall's for insight. He planned to present the case
at a before conference, hoping to draw out other witnesses
with similar stories. But the growing attention worried Gary and Colin.
What if people think were nuts? They're definitely going to
think you're nothing nuts, Colin asked. Robertson was blunt. Some will,
(38:04):
but the truth doesn't need anyone's approval, and that's super
easy for Roberson. You're not the one Exactly. As summer
nineteen ninety four faded, the A seventy case was no
longer just their story. It was becoming a public puzzle,
a lightning rod for belief and doubt. Robertson's tapes and
notes were piling up, but the answers remained elusive. What
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had taken Gary and Colin? Why them? And why leave
them with memories that felt like scars. The small Edinburgh's
newspaper article had cracked the dam, and snippets were trickling
to the tabloids and radio chat. The first big wave
hit when the Glasgow Tabloid ran a splashy headline alien
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abduction on Scottish Road. Remember this wasn't something that really
hit Scotland monk. The story, cobbled together from Robertson's early findings,
painted garyon Colin as bewildered every day amen, claiming a
glowing disc had snatched him off the A seventy. It
mentioned the missing ninety minutes, the hypnosis revealing grays, the beings,
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gray beings, and a sterile craft, but lean hard into sensationalism,
tossing in a blurry stock photo of a UFO that
looked nothing like what they described. Gary piss slammed the
paper down in his garage. This makes us sound like loons,
he growled the Colin over the phone. Colin, already shrinking
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from the stairs of his job, muttered, I told you
we should just keep quiet. Would you if this happened
to you.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I can see why they think that. I doubt I would,
But in hindsight, I can see once you let the
genie out of the bottle, once people start laughing at
you sit, you can't put it back.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I know, I know I couldn't keep my fucking maulsion.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
No, I don't think I could eat, but I would.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Really fucking try after you see, while people are treated.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
If you know for a fact what you're saying is true,
do you really really fucking care if they'll laughing at you.
I'm sure to you, but.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Uh, if it's constant, you know, and it sounds like
it was like relentless.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, but this other guy is going to get a
book to you out of it.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, that's true. Robinson's gonna be fired. That's nothing. Let's
keep going. Quit being a pussy. Someone's gonna make some
money here. The article wasn't all bad. It drew tips
from locals. A trucker called Robertson claiming he's seen weird
lights near the Harper Rig Reserve, a reservoir a week
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before the incident. A Tarbax's woman swore her dog had
hauled at the sky than the August night in nineteenth
ninety two. Robertson logged every lead, no matter how small,
but most were too vague to pin down. Public reaction
was a mixed bag At the pub. Gary's mates ribbed
immersively off to Mars Mars next Woods, but some were curious,
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asking quiet questions over their beer. Collins co workers were
less kind. He over heard snickers about it's the same
fucking thing every time, little green men in the break room.
A few locals, though, reached out with empathy. One man,
a retired postman, told Robertson he seen a dish shaped
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object over Livingston in the eighties, too scared to report it. Then,
you don't want people thinking your daft, he said. Gary
and Colin nodded grimly when Robertson relayed this. They knew
the feeling. The media frenzy grew. A BBC Radio Scotland
segment invited Robertson to discuss the case, framing it as
(41:37):
Scotland's strangest mystery. He brought Gary along, hoping to let
him tell his story directly. Gary, nervous but stubborn, described
the dishes, hum, the blackout, the cold tables under hypnosis.
The host, trying to keep things light, asked could have
been a dream. Gary's voice tightened. You don't dream the
same thing as you, mate, ass lose an hour and
(42:03):
a half and wake up with headaches for weeks. The
switchboard lit up. Callers split between fascination and scorn. One
woman claimed aliens had visited her farm, Another called it
rubbish and hung up for Gary and Colin. The attention
was suffocating. Gary tried to shrug it off, but the
constant questions wore him down. Customers at his garage would ask,
(42:25):
half joking, if he'd met et yet. You know, you
know that fucking lame jokes coming every time one dropped
off a car with the toy aliens strapped to the dash,
grinning like it was a joke. Gary just tossed it
in a drawer. Colin stopped going to the pub altogether.
I can't handle the looks, he told Robertson during the
(42:46):
follow up meeting. His nightmares hadn't stopped. Colin started sketching
what he saw in his hypnosis crew, drawings of almond
eyed beings and seamless walls, as if putting it on
paper made less real. Their families struggled too. Gary's wife, Susan,
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believed him, but worried about the toll, his short temper,
his restless night. He's not himself, she confided to Robertson.
Colin's parents were skeptical, urging him to move on. Both
men felt caught violated by Robertson's work and alienated by
the world's reaction. They agreed to share their stories to
(43:30):
fine answers, maybe connect with others, but the spotlight brought
more questions and clarity. Gary tried to bury it. Work
was his anchor, fixing engines, bantering with customers, but day
seventy crept in. He'd betight in a bolt when a
sudden flash of memory would stop him cold. His headaches,
which started right after that August nineteen ninety two night,
(43:53):
never fully left. They'd spike without warning, sharp behind his eyes,
sometimes paired with a faint hum in his in his ears.
It was like they left something in me, he told
his wife Susan one night.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
That wouldn't be the first time.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
No, and maybe that's the hum. I mean you think
about like an alien m plant or something like that.
He always felt like there was something there, like they.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Were scanning and probing, and shit they did. They could
have eased it.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
And it's funny because Gary's the one with all the
headaches and shit, but Colin's the one that they put
the hop fucking poker in his eye. So Susan noticed.
Gary avoided driving at night, especially on rural roads. The
A seventy off limits entirely. I get it, he take
a twenty minute detour to avoid it. Once, when Susan
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suggested a shortcut through harper Rig Reserve Reservoir. I do
it every time, Gary snapped, never again, his voice sharp
enough to silence the room. Collin's hypno succession with Helen
Walters in ninety four had unlocked vivid images, but they
also fractured his sense of safety. Those nightmares were constant,
(45:04):
almost every night. They'd jerk him awake and his heart
would be pounding, but he kept sketching what he saw.
It helps, he told Malcolm during a check in, but
his shaky hands said otherwise. Gary and Colin had been
friends for years, but the A seventy bound them in
a new, uneasy way. They'd meet occasionally having a pint
(45:25):
in a quiet corner, but the conversation always circled back
to that night. Do you ever feel like they're still watching?
Colin asked once, his voice barely audible. Gary, staring into
his glass, didn't answer. The silence said enough. Malcolm Robertson
stayed in touch. He'd call and visit, checking on their
(45:46):
well being while updating them on the case. He found
no new evidence, but he can, but he'd connect with
other abductees whose stories echoed theirs. You're not alone, he
told them, sharing anonymous accounts from a woman in Fife
and a man in Aberdeen. It was comforting but also
(46:07):
upsetting how many others were carrying this kind of secret.
Gary threw himself into his work. He took up jogging
to burn off the restless energy. He even started attending
church with Susan, though he wasn't religious. He said, he's
just looking for answers, but the questions lingered, why them?
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What did the beings want? Colin meanwhile leaned into research.
He scoured libraries for books on abduction. He contacted Robertson
for updates, even joined the UFO discussion group in Edinburgh.
The group met monthly in a community center. Colin rarely spoke,
but listened to others, some claiming their own enclouners. This
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made him feel less isolated. Robertson never stopped champion in
the A seventy case. By nineteen ninety seven, he published
a detail account in the UFO magazine, later expanding it
into a book, Like You said, He had to get
his book deal course UFO Case Files of Scotland. The
A seventy story became the cornerstone of his work. At
(47:17):
conferences across the UK, from London to Glasgow, Robertson presented
the case to packed rooms of researchers, enthusiasts and skeptics.
Their friendship endured, but it was different, less pub banter,
more late night calls when one needed event. Do you
ever wonder what they want? Colin asked Gary in nineteen
(47:38):
ninety eight over coffee in a quiet cafe. Gary shrugged
his jaw. Tight, doesn't matter, They got it. They rarely
spoke of the other humans on the table, their blurred
face from their hypnosis memories. It was too much, too heavy.
By the late two thousands, Gary and Colin had stepped
(47:59):
back from the spotlight. Robertson respected their privacy, updating them
only when new leads surfaced. They never recanted, never wavered,
even as the world debates, that's the story of.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
The Robertson's staying in touch, just because you know, a
little sequel material.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Exists in case they come up with something.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Sure, you guys don't get anything else. So he never
did really uncover any not saying it didn't have it,
But through all his research he never.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
He never came up with anything other than their stories.
And now, when you really start digging, I mean, that's
the story right there, but you really start digging. There
was a time because they asked if there's ever revisited
or anything like that. Gary had a story that he
awoke from a dream and one of them were standing
at the foot of his bed and he lushed out
(48:48):
of bed and hit it and it went hurling across
the room. This is one short story, but it also
reminds me of another. I haven't done the story, but
it's like maybe we did, but it's like he feels
violated because he wanted to punch him when he was
in there. He was angry. He's that tough guy. And
then later on after the story, years later, Oh, they
(49:08):
came back, but this time, remember we did a story
like that, but this time I got him. I didn't
even put it in the story because that it seems
like somebody just trying to Yeah, we we I don't
remember which story it was we did.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
If you couldn't jack them the first time, I really
doubt the second.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
This time, I wasn't paralyzed. I saw the little guy
and I beat the fuck out of him, you know.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Like I feel guilty.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Send Bob down, let him bitch, slap Bob. Bob likes it.
Just take a couple of Bob come back, Bob's into it,
Bob gets off on Yay. So anyways, that's the case
of the Ay seven. So I put it at six
(49:50):
or seven. But these guys didn't make cash off of it.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Robertson did, but their story standard.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, their story didn't waiver. They didn't go out and
do it. They did a few interviews, they didn't do
all the tours. They seem to have put it out
there and almost regretted it instantly. So yeah, I put
it as a legitimate They didn't get anything from it.
They weren't looking for the attention that they got. So
it probably six or seven.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I put it in that same ballpark too. All right, guys,
we're gonna head over to the fire pit, catch up
with her. I get to know what's on it.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
I all right, guys, before we get started, we need
your stories beyond the Shadows two O seven at gmail
dot com. Like we always tell you, it doesn't have
to be paranormal, but it certainly can be anything you
talk about with your friends around the fire pit, So
(50:50):
get them into us. We need them.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
And Ryan, Hey, guys, it's your resident rodent Bunny. Sorry
it's been a minute. Dealing with depression is fun not.
I want to tell you about the scariest encounter I
ever had in my haunted house. I still haven't recovered
to this day. A little explanation about the house. Upstairs
is shaped like a big circle. The stairs leading up
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is in the middle. Off to the left is my
parents' bedroom. The bottom of the circle is the reading nook,
and the right side is my room, shared with an
extra bedroom, which is now split into two bathrooms. Before
the renovations, the house was unfinished straight out of nineteen ten.
We renovated the bedrooms in the hallway first, but the
closets and the extra bedroom were untouched for the longest time.
(51:37):
In about twenty eighteen, I headed up the stairs and
ran ran down the hall to avoid the extra bedroom.
To me, that room was the ghost room. I hated
going upstairs alone, but I did it anyway every night terrified.
This night was different, though. Sitting in my room, I
started to hear creaks, just an old house. Though then
(51:58):
there was a consistent flot do board creaks like someone
or someone was walking in the room next to mine.
Feeling a little on edge, I decided to brush it off.
The next thing I knew, objects in the old room
started to move and was thrown around the room. Absolutely
terrified and frozen in fear, I built up the courage
to run down the hall, rock it down the stairs
(52:19):
into my parents in the living room. Mom, Dad, there's
a ghost upstairs. It's throwing things around in the extra bedroom.
My parents already knew about the ghost upstairs, but throwing
things around was a new development. My dad, being so brave,
sent my mom to figure, I get it. Slowly my room,
(52:43):
excuse me, slowly my mom crept forward and up the stairs.
All while there were bangs, creaks, and drags coming from
the room. Hello, my mom called into the room. All
went quiet. Then through the doorway came our dog, Sophie.
You see, we made the extra bedroom into a sort
of storage room and kept some decorations in there. Sophie's
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favorite thing to do was to find the Easter eggs
and pop them open. What had happened is that she
got into the bedroom found the bag of Easter eggs
we recently stored away and was popping them open and
chucking them there, chucking them around the room in a
fit of glee. So there's my spooky story about the
spooky room with the spooky dog. I was so terrified.
I was genuinely crying out of fear and nearly caused
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a heart attack. Man, Well, remember who you are and
don't let it get you down. Bunny.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
That's a great story, a really good thing. And you
know it's funny because when you do grow up in
the haunted house, you are so much more likely to
believe every little noise you hear is a ghost. You know,
most people try to reason it away, but when you
think your house is haunted, everything you hear is that.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
You know, Oh, I would have thought it was, definitely
I would. I would have been on the same page
with one hundred percent. Another dog comes on, You're like, oh, fuck, all.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
The great story. We really appreciate it. Get your stories
into us, guys, We need them, and we will catch
you in the next one later.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Guys,
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