June 27, 2025 • 58 mins
Is everything we know about space a carefully constructed illusion? In this episode, we blast off into the outer reaches of mystery and speculation to explore some of the most mind-bending space conspiracy theories out there. From the moon landing hoax and secret space programs to alien bases on the dark side of the moon and NASA cover-ups—nothing is off-limits. We’ll break down the most popular claims, investigate their origins, and ask: who benefits from hiding the truth? Are we being kept in the dark about what really exists beyond Earth’s atmosphere? Buckle up and prepare for liftoff—because this journey through space may not be what you expect.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
dark tales and paranormal mysteries.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
As we go Beyond the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation and
all the like are.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Do you know what the most in the world is?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
On the shutters where you found me? Yet you can't
see me in the deepest blacks when your heart starbus
and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
that you why at track well, the defense be where
the actions at. So this enough you want it, UFOs,
all the ghosts, We got everything that you want.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It won't do you know what the.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Thing in the world is?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hi, and welcome back to episode one hundred and forty
six of Beyond the Shadows.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Welcome back shadow people. First off, I want to thank
you guys who gave us some reviews and some ratings.
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Thanks for taking the time, guys. We appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And we've still had some messages coming in from you
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Speaker 2 (01:47):
Oh absolutely, yeah, Shadow Family Man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah absolutely. You guys have been awesome, really good.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So first week we're back on our regular schedule. Here
recorded in the middle of the night. So yeah, we're
back to almost live.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, we're close, closer than we liked, by the skin
of our teeth. Close. So what's in the news?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So we got police in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. They're asking for
the public's help in tracking down Scooby Doo. So it
seems Scooby broke into the quick stop on on Highway
this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's really.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
He's always been a piece of shit. He broke bad,
he made off with cash and coins, and he might
have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for
metal kids. So he hangs up with a big, tall,
skinny dude in the green shirt, stuffy deude high out
(02:48):
of his gourd all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I saw that thing. And it's literally a dude in
the Scooby dooket Like they look like pajamas almost, But
it's got a hood, it's got it's the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
It's a five foot white dude. That's all we know
for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's it. Huh.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You like Scooby Snacks, he's.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Peeing on a hydrant outside of the place.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You think about the different like difference in programming back then.
That was like big hitting what the sixties. I want
to say that the original cartoon Air sixties, one of
the main characters is high out of his gorgon. There's
no doubt about it, Like that would never fly today. Well,
who knows, Well, it's like an adult cartoon like Family,
Oh yeah, but Scooby was clearly meant for kids. I
think it's funny, but.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh I do too. But yeah, they were definitely high
off there. There was smoke coming out of the things
all the time. I didn't catch it out as a kid,
But I mean literally that that van was constantly.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It was like the van from Fast Times at Richemont High.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Uh So, we also got two young bears that busted
out of a pen on Tuesday in the UK, but
rather than make a break for it, they busted into
the food stores eight a week's worth of honey and
then just fell asleep.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
That's the kind of crook that I am, sleep eating.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Reese's making your get away with.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
This is like Yogi the bear shit? What about the
rings your Yogi? Uh So.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Mish and Lucia their names, both age four. They live
in a wildlife park. They escape escape their enclosure at
Wildwood Devon in southwestern England due to a quote operational error.
It's gonna be a pretty big error. What to fucking
bears out?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No ship, dude, Yeah, sorry, your kid got eaten. I
accidentally messed up.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And like it always happens in these situations, when somebody
funcks up, they will always say it's quote an isolated incident,
and they say that here too.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We don't let man eating bears out.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Typically, Typically we don't let them out two or three
times on the rare occasions they need to stretch your
legs eating.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They generally don't need anybody over seven or eight. Yeah. Ah,
so we're staying in the UK For the last news
story this week. Thirty nine year old Lucy Roberts was
a jewelry store manager at a high end shop in Humberside.
Coworkers found it odd that she would frequently take merchandise
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home with her and then tell them she was working
from home sorting out stock and such. In an incredibly
not so bright move, She then quits the store, takes
an extended vacation and sends her former co workers a
shit ton of photos of herself on vacation, decked out
in the jewelry that was from the store.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Unbelievable. If you're a thief, stay the fuck off. Social
media people are so stupid.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Talk about underestimating your coworkers intelligence, even overestimating their liking
of youth. They're not gonna telling you at that probably like, oh,
they love me, and they're like she's a oh stand
her yeah. Uh. Police, so they got tips from the
because they did rad her road. Police searched her home.
(06:03):
They found one hundred and seventy thousand dollars worth of gold, silver,
diamonds and cash just stuffed under her bed in the
cupboards and shit. Wow, So I mean she hasn't finished
with the inventory yet. Yeah, obviously takes a while to
sort it out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, she just brought her work home with her.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Just jumped conclusions. She was sentenced to twenty eight months
in prison cash.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Another piece of news that me and Ryan were actually
talking about before the show is something that happened a
while back. I don't think we ever mentioned it, but
if you guys remember I did an episode called The
Silk Road. It was about Ross Ulrich and I don't
know if you got guys. No, he was actually pardoned
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by Trump and they let he's the one that made
the Silk Road where there was like eBay for drugs
and all that stuff. But he got railroaded and set
up by the federal government and the people who set
him up were stealing his bitcoin from him and all
kind of it set him up like he was trying
to commit murder when he wasn't well. He got pardoned
by Trump and he got out, and then the news
(07:11):
that just came out is somebody he has like a
It isn't a GoFundMe, but he has an account for
like you can donate to him, and somebody donated thirty
million dollars worth of bitcoin to him. And it came
out from one of the wallets attached to one of
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the other not the Silk Road, but another one of
those type places that came after the Silk Road. Whoever
ran that, I don't think they ever caught, and I
don't remember the names of those ones. I'd have to
go back and look, but whoever ran one of those,
one of their wallets transferred transferred thirty million dollars in bitcoin.
(07:54):
So not only did he get pardoned, but he's loaded
once again, and he's probably got some Honestly, he's probably
got some bitcoin out there floating around. I'm sure back
in the day when he was doing it, bitcoin was
worth about a dollar. As of right now, it's worth
one hundred and five thousand dollars for one bitcoin. So yeah,
(08:14):
So anyways, little update on that story.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So what do you got going on for us this week?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So I am going to do some conspiracy is just
going to be a conspiracy corner. But these are all
space related.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh nice, so excellent. We'll be right back guys, do
you know what the world is? All right?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The first conspiracy is the Black Knight satellite. Have you
ever heard of this? The story of the Black Knight satellite.
You might have seen a strange, jagged looking object floating
in low Earth orbit and some nasaotos, Or maybe you've
heard whispers about an alien satellite that's been circling our
planet for thousands of years watching us. Yeah, that's the one.
(09:09):
It's a theory that refuses to die. To be clear,
the Black Knight satellite isn't something NASA ever officially acknowledged
as real. It's more like a puzzle made up of
random space stuff, you know, old scientific myths. The earliest
piece of the puzzle, though, goes all the way back
to eighteen ninety nine, when Nikola Tesla was doing a
(09:33):
radio experiment in Colorado Springs. He claimed he picked up
a strange, repeating signal from space. Tesla thought it might
be a message from another world. Most scientists at the
time just shrugged and chalked it up to radio interference.
You know, I'd have been listening to Tesla. He was
so much more than all the rest of them in
the first.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Place, was fucking brilliant other than the.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Fact he was in love with a pigeon. Dude knew everything.
I was just talking to my brother about him the
other day. You realize that when he died, it was
Trump the family that got all of his that got
like they believe a lot of the trust. Some of
it was given to him by Uh. I just saw this.
(10:17):
The government, I don't remember what agency gave him a
lot of the stuff. And Trump is not obviously not
this Trump is his great grandfather or whatever was an
electric electro engineer that invented a lot of stuff with
like I think it's MRIs. I think it's MRIs. I'm
not positive about that, but anyways, yeah, it's quite the
(10:37):
you know, coincidence. Not but all right. Fast forward to
the nineteen twenties and a Norwegian engineer named Jordan Hows
picked up long delayed radio echoes echoes signals bouncing back
seconds late, which should never have been possible. He had
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no clue why it was happening. Nobody really did. These
weird radio signals became the first breadcrumb in what would
eventually be called the Black Night Mystery. So skip ahead
to nineteen ninety eight, when things really got weird. During
NASA's STS eighty eight mission, the first mission to assemble
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the International Space Station, astronauts took some photos during a spacewalk.
One of those photos showed a weird looking object floating
above Earth. It wasn't like a satellite or square like
a panel. It was dark, twisted, almost like a sculpture.
Conspiracy theorists saw the photos and collectively said, that's it,
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that's the Black Night. NASA said it was just a
thermal blanket that had swipped slipped away during the spacewalk.
But if you ask a believer, they say, no way.
A thermal blanket doesn't look like that, a thermal blanket
doesn't cast a shadow like that, and a thermal one
doesn't show up in old mists and strange signals from
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decades earlier. So what is it really? According to the
conspiracy crowd, the Black Knight is an alien probe, possibly thousands,
maybe even thirteen thousand years old, that's been quietly orbiting Earth,
moderating us like some cosmic surveillance drone. Some believe it
was left here by an ancient alien race to keep
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tabs on humanity. Others think that it's a remnant of
a lost civilization, or even part of a galactic communication system.
It's even been linked to ancient Somalian text and the
myth of the Watchers, supernatural beings who observe humanity from
above and sence. It's allegedly been spotted in a pole
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or orbit, a path that runs from pole to pole,
which is still difficult for us to actually do today.
Some folks argue that humans couldn't have launched it back
then when it was first noticed. That type of orbit
wasn't even possible for us to the nineteen sixties, so
it gets even weirder. Some believe the satellite is connected
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to UFO settings, or that it's sending signals back to
its creators. Others say that it's been detected, tracked, and
even covered up by agencies like NORAD and NASA. Some
go further and claim every government knows about it but
refuse to talk. There's even a theory that we've tried
to shoot it down but failed, and that's why most
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missions avoid talking about the anomalous object in orbit. You've
also heard wild ideas that the Black Knight isn't even
a physical satellite, but a sentinel intelligence or an ancient
AI drifting in our skies waiting for the right moment
to make contact. Well, let's be real. Most scientists will
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tell you that there's no mystery here. Tesla's signals probably
radio interference. The nineteen ninety eight photo more than likely
actually is a blanket. The long delayed echoes. They still
there's really still no explanation for those. No one's proven
where they came from, but to this day, they really
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don't know. To the science world, the Black Knight is
just a collection of misunderstood data points, unrelated incidents stitched
together into a great story. But if you're someone who
believes that there's more out there, more than what we're told,
this story feels like it's just plausible enough to be true.
So why does it people believe? Well, the Black Knight
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theory has stuck around for so long because it scratches
an itch. We all have the idea that we're being
watched and we're not alone, that someone or something is
keeping tabs on us from above, which I think a
lot of people truly do believe.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, I think it's entirely possible.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It is. We'll talk about it, mare Athan. It's a
modern myth with all the right ingredients. It's got space mystery,
hidden knowledge, and just enough NASA silence, you know, make
you scratch ahead until someone flies up there and actually
you know, grabs it or does whatever, gets some photos
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or anything. People are going to continue to believe it.
So I'm going to go through some of the different
things that people actually think that it is. One, they
think it's ancient AI moditoring civilization. Like I said, some
theorists believe that the Black Knight is more than just
a machine. It's from an ancient artificial intelligence send here
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to observe or influence human behavior. They think it might
activate at certain technological milestones, nudging us in a specific direction,
or actually even blocking us from advancing too far, too fast.
And we've heard that a lot lately in some of
this UFO stuff. It's like we're being capped at like
a certain level. Others believe in two it's a beacon,
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not a satellite. So in this theory, it's not a
satellite at all, but a cosmic beacon transmitting Earth's location
or status to someone or something out there. Some believers
believe it periodically sends data into deep space, and maybe
why we never fully invaded. The observers are just watching.
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Number three. It appears in ancient star maps. Some researchers
claim the strange reference to dark stars or wandering shadows
in ancient star maps and Sumerian text maybe describing the
black Night. These texts often describe dark travelers that cross
the sky in cycles, and some interpret that as early
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sightings of this mysterious object.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I would assume they're talking about a media or like this.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Or comment or something like that. Yeah, meteor. But if
people are looking, if they're looking to link it together,
they're going to take that and run with it. You know,
if you look hard enough, if you can find what
you look absolutely. Number four it's linked to missing time
and abduction cases. There's a weird overlap between settings of
the Black Knight and reporting reports of missing time or
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abduction experiences. In a few cases, people report waking up
during strange highness events only to look up and see
a dark, unfamiliar object in the sky. Some theorists suggest
that the satellite could be involved in data harvesting or experimentation. Now,
this is another one. I think. Say that you see
something in the sky after that, you can think that
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to a UFO or the craft. I would not think
that would be the Black Knight satellite.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Five, it's part of a network of sentinels. According to
some fringe therapists, the Black Knight is just one of
many probes, a sentinel placed in orbit around developing planets.
These objects keep watch until the species becomes ready to
make contact. Some say similar objects have been spotted near Mars, Venus,
or even Saturn's moon Titan. So I guess if you're
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waiting to see if something would you know, spring from
nothing and then develop into something, those would be the
places around here. But I've never heard of any other
satellites or other than the supposed Black Night. I've never
heard of anything around Mars.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Or I mean, how many people have equipment strong enough
to even view that stuff? There are many telescopes, No,
you can have satellites.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
No, they're seeing a lot of stuff now with the
James Web satellite, but it's that's just regular space stuff
that's blowing their mind.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
There's probably only a handful of telescopes on Earth that
have the power to view a small satellite around Mars
and other planets. And it's not somebody like you and
me doesn't have access to those.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
You know. They said something I saw in the news
today when I was watching the science portion of the news. Anyways,
they said that the James Webb James web right, Ah,
as it was looking out it's seeing it's getting light
back from galaxies that are too far away to be
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reflecting light back. And that's really hard to understand. But
the universe, our universe is supposedly expanding faster than the
speed of light, so these galaxies should be as it expands,
they're expanding further away at than the speed of light,
so their light should never shine back to where we
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could see it, I guess, which is another thing hard
to wrap your brain around. But we can see them.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's the science you're going to be high as shit for.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh my god, dude, can you just start thinking about
that stuff? And you're like, what the fun?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We'll cover that on our Edibles episode. Yeah, I forgot
we're supposed to do that. I'll get out the whiteboard
and explain the science. Let me break this. I got
it all figured.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It'll be the one day I read smoothly. Scott read
really well. Today is dyslexic?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Do some good will hunting equations and shit all right.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Number six, The Black Knight is cloaked most of the time.
One reason people say we don't see it more often
is because it's cloaked. This idea is that the object
only becomes visible at certain times during specific lighting conditions.
Energy surgeres are when something malfunctions. That would explain why
it randomly shows up in photos and vanishes for years,
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which also just seems way too convenient. Very and seven
goes to a lot of the theories. Now, it's interdimensional,
not just extraterrestrial. So some theorists claim that the Black
Knight isn't even physical in the way that we understand.
It's interdimensional. It can phase in and out of our reality,
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explaining why it's so hard to track. According to this
line of thinking, it's not just spying on us, exists
in a higher layer of reality altogether, and this is
where a lot of theories are going to these days.
I don't bite it about the Black Knight, but anyways,
that's the Black Knight satellite. I don't know. I don't
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think there's enough to legitimize the Black Knight. I've seen
a lot of different things about it.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The photo could well be a space blanket.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know, when you look at it, it does look
really wow, what is that? But where it was coming
from and where it was taken like that, it's obviously
a space blanket. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, when you see the photo with no explanation, you're like,
what the hell is that?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Usually when NASA says something, you're like, oh, that's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, you're not agree with.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Everything on the Black Night is not easily explained, but
there's plausible explanations. And then when you hear that it's
a space blank and you look at it again, you're like, yeah,
I can see that as a space blank.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I could totally see that. Now, Tesla, it could
have been radio waste, but he didn't seem to think.
So Tesla's a smart motherfucker. The other stuff is still unexplained,
but I just don't think there's enough and a lot
of the stuff that people are trying to bring in
and say, well, this is the Black Night. It's just
it could be so many other things, so many other things.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It could be all kinds of things. But you don't
have to jump to these crazy ideas. You know, there's
not a lot to suggest it. It's plausible, but there's
not much there.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Right, all right, we'll burry it back with the next one.
Do you know what in the world is? All right?
So this one, next one to me, is a little
more plausible.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So my next conspiracy. So let's talk about one of
the wildest, most intriguing space conspiracies out there. Alien bases
on the far side of the Moon. Yet not just
UFO sidings or blurry lights in the sky. We're talking
about actual alien structures built on the Moon, just chilling
out of you, right under our noses. Now, before you
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roll your eyes, hear me out. Because the theory has
a long, twisted history and a lot of strange photos,
alleged whistleblowers, and plenty of people who are absolutely convinced
that something weird is going on up there. And I
definitely think something weird is going on in the moon.
If you've ever seen some of the photos, there are
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random flashes on the moon a lot, there's random Uh,
if you ever watch a lot of UFO footage and
stuff like that, people that can really zoom, there's something
going on up there. Stuff that isn't ai, you know. Yeah,
So why the far side? Here's the thing about the moon.
We only ever see one side of it. It rotates
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in such a way that the same face is always
pointed towards Earth. Now, I've tried to work this out
in my head. How the hell this works? You know,
because it does rotate and it gets I guess when
the whole earth it's staying, it's staying static to us, right,
So the same side always faces us. But when the
whole thing circles around, so it still goes. It gets
night and day still.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It rotates in such a way that the same face
is always pointing towards Earth that the other side, the
so called dark side, isn't actually dark. It gets sunlight too,
it's just permanently turned away from us. And because we
couldn't see it until the nineteen fifties, that side became
the perfect blank canvas for all kinds of mysteries. If
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you're going to build a secret alien base that you
didn't want humans to find, is basically the ideal hiding spot,
and it really is. We never see the backside of
the moon, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Back in the nineteen fifty nine, the Soviet Union sent
a probe called Luna three to snap the first pictures
of the Moon's far side. The images were super grainy,
like you could barely tell a crater from a shat,
but there were enough to kickstart the whispers. People started
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pointing out what they thought were structures, towers, even domes
on the surface, and once the US started its Apollo missions,
things really took off. Even though none of the astronauts
landed on the far side, most missions orbited, and that's
where the theories exploded. Some folks believe NASA took photos
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of things they didn't expect to find, unusual shapes, different patterns,
maybe even actual buildings. Instead of showing the public, the
story goes, they either classified the images or edited them
before release. Now, I've seen a dude on one of
the documentaries. They claimed he went through and every time
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he saw something on those NASA photos, they'd market and
remove a lot of stuff that was questionable. Whether he
was a legit whistleblower or not, I.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Don't know, but doing that is plausible to me. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
NASA is done. Like on Mars. Tell me why all
the pictures of Mars Mars is red. They literally put
that tone in those pictures. It doesn't if you look
at the rover Now it's not just because the cameras
are better, it's not. It doesn't have that red look
to it. It looks more like a brown desert. And
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they literally tended those pictures. What was the purpose of that,
you know, to this day, no idea. Let's talk about
the photos, the ones conspiracy theorists point to again and again.
There's the famous Shard picture which shows a weird tower
looking thing sticking out of the lunar surface, which is
a crazy picture. I will share that one on social media.
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And another shot features what people call the Castle, which
is a big, boxy object that almost looks like it's
floating above the moon. NASA said these are just camera
glitches or tricks of the light. Basically nothing to see here.
But believers say, come on, how do you look at
those photos and not think something strange is going on.
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Now here's where it gets even more interesting. A few
former NaSTA employees and military contractors have come forwarded over
the years saying that they've seen things that weren't supposed
to see. One guy, Carl Wolf, claimed he worked with
the lunar images and saw actual structures in NASA's photos,
like buildings and roads on the far side of the Moon.
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Another guy, Kent Johnston, said he was told to destroy
photos that showed alien activity. He didn't. He kept some
of them and some of those have leaked out, and
obviously they're in his book. So these guys, they tell
them the truth, or it's hard to say something. They're
legit whistleblowers. Others say they're just trying to sell books.
But either way, they had fuel to the fire. So
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the whole alien based theory isn't just about the US
space program. It's tied to a lot of other conspiracies.
Some people believe aliens warned us to stay off the moon,
which is why the Apollo mission suddenly stopped after nineteen
seventy two. And I always kind of lean towards this
one because we were going to the moon. A lot
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of missions went to the moon. What'd we What was
the first one on the moon was eleven? Right?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think six six missions landing on the Moon. I
believe it right, eleven to seventeen, right, Yeah, twelve guys
walked on eleven to six, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen or.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Sixteen thirteen didn't land on the right. So they went
to Apollo seventeen, it's when to stop. Yeah, and but
all of a sudden we just stopped, and you know,
and it was always really weird that the program just
at that point just went away, like we lost interest
or you know, because we went there, we were interested
to get there, and we would didn't just do it
once we kept doing it.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's kind of strange for me when you hear a
little off subject, when you hear NASA talk about how
they want to get back to the Moon and start
that process together, basically talking like I've heard comments about
the fact we're trying to develop the technology to get
back to the Moon. I'm thinking, how the fuck did
we have that technology in nineteen sixty nine, but now
we're trying to develop the technology to get there. How
do you not have it?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
They had next to no technology on that damn Yeah,
where the Apollo missions had like next to none. You know,
your cell phone's got so much more technology than the
first Moon mission. I remember one time they said that
those you know those cards you buy that you open
it up and they say they sing happy Birthday or whatever,
that they have more technology than the first Apollo mission.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Think of how smart some of those fucking people were
back then to squeeze all the what they did, what
they did, what they had available.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean when they were first when they were first
launched up there, they were jotting stuff down with pen
you know, pencil and paper, you know, working out calculations
on how to you know, the trajectory and stuff. They
had no math, you know, they didn't just get to
push a button. They had to actually to thirteen.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
When they're doing that shit on the fly. I I
don't even know what the fuck he's talking about right now,
but that shit's impressive. That's not when you want to
forget to carry a one gimbal angles and shit, yeah,
no shit. And now they just you know it just
tell what do does it itself. They don't have to
even do anything emergency. They're breaking other cell phones to
kill good all right.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So Yeah, as far as the Aliens wanting to stay
off the Moon, I don't know where I stand on
that now, but I used to definitely think that was
the case. Others think the US actually built secret bases
there in partnership with extraterrestrials, that the so called secret
Space Program theory. There's a lot of people that also
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thought that Hitler had actually made it to the Moon
and had bases on the Moon, and that's something you
can dig into. There's a lot of stuff about that
Hitler was in a lot of places where he actually
was is an Argentina.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well in reality, yeah, that's where a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Went, and they think, actually Hitler. They were obsessed with
the antarctica too, yes, And there's some stuff about more
stuff to look into, yep. And then there's the folks
who believe the Moon is even real, that it's hollow
or an artificial satellite or a giant alien ship. If
you go back to one of the other conspiracy corners.
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I did a thing on the hollow Moon, and I
at first thought it was just garbage. And when I
got into that story and started researching into the hollow Moon,
it fucking blew my mind. The stuff on the hollow Moon, OK,
there's some stuff that just doesn't make it. And it
ain't just the moon ringing, it's like the whole you know.
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The Almost every crater on the Moon is the same depth.
No matter how big it was they got hit by
whatever asteroid hit it, it never went deeper than the
one before it. I don't know. So that all sounds
like science fiction. But for a lot of people, these
ideas connect the dots between ancient myth UFO sightings and
modern government secrecy. So why haven't we been back? That's
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a million dollar question. We sent people to the Moon
in the nineteen sixties and seventies with way less technology
than we have now, so why have we back. NASA
says this about budget, politics and priorities, but theorists aren't
buying it. They think that we were warned off, or
plain and simple like you're not ready for this yet,
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stay home. Even other countries like China sent missions to
the Moon, some people think they were under pressure to
keep quiet about what they find, especially if they land
near the Far side. So we're going to go through
a list of some other things that people believe, like
we did with the last one, the Moon's UH surveillance station.
Some say the Moon itself was placed in orbit, not
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formed naturally, and acts as a watchtower. According to this theory,
alien bases on the Far Side aren't just outposts. They're
part of a global monitoring system keeping tabs on the
Earth's surface, energy, and even human consciousness. Number two Lunar
bases are mining operations. That there's a growing belief that
aliens aren't just sitting around, they're mining the Moon for
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rare resources. Some say that those dusty craters are actually
open pit mines or exhaust vents for underground alien industry. Industry.
Then three astronauts were briefed before launch that a less
talk about idea. Some conspiracy theorists believe NASA astronauts were
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told ahead of time that they might encounter some things
on the Moon, not just in them maybe you'll see
a UFO way, but allegedly shown classified footage of the bases,
warned not to interact and instructed to stick to specific areas.
Number four laser and energy weapon test sites. There's claim
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that some lunar photos, specifically the ones showing odd flashes
or glows, which there are a ton of. If there's
a ton of videos of lights on the Moon, might
show testing grounds for alien direct energy weapons, which I
don't buy that. There's definitely been stuff of life, it's
on the moon. I can't see where it would be
an energy weapon. Fifth one moonquake abnormalities. You know that
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the Moon rings like a bell. We discussed that before
during seismatic events. Some people think that that's not natural.
It's a sign that there's machinery or structure deep inside.
So that's the hollow moon theory. Six, it's a secret
teleportation routes. There's theories claim that the far side of
the Moon has portals or teleport stations connecting it to Mars,
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deep space, or even underground bases on Earth. Ryan looks
like he's buying that.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Stress.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That's all we can buy some crazy shit. You know,
it's funny because we talk about some of it like
it's so matter of fact. Well, that's definitely real. This
not at all, not a fucking chance. And then some
people actually believe that there was an uh, there was
a war on the moon. One of the more cinematic
theories that there was an actual war on the Moon
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sometime in the late twentieth century. Some say it involved
US space forces, but which wasn't even the US Space
Force wasn't even truly a thing until when Trump do
that in two thousand and twenty twenty eighteen. Somewhere in
there anyways, another far fetch one, because some of these
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are far fat. So I don't know, what do you think,
what do you think about basis on the backside of
the Moon.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's definitely plausible. I believe one hundred percent there's been
a ton of alien activity on the Moon, whether they
have a constant presence there or not. I remember hearing
this might be bullshit, but I remember hearing when Neil
Armstrong walked on the Moon for the first time that
he said, off record, not only did he see aliens,
he saw several alien crafts on the very edge of
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the crater he was walking in. But he said something
to the effect or don't ask me on the record,
because I won't fucking it. I mean, he could have
actually said that. It could be somebody just completely making
it up. I don't know, which.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Takes us into our next story, conspiracy. II. I'm glad
you said that. Did the Apollo astonaut see something they
weren't supposed to see?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
All right, Well, let's rewind to one of the most
iconic moments in human history July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine.
Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin step onto the Moon and
the world holds its breath. But while the cameras were
rolling and the world was watching, some say something else
was going on in the background, something strange, quiet and classified.
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That's right. There's a theory that the Apollo astronauts didn't
just walk on the Moon. They saw UFOs while they
were up there, and that NASA new and they've been
keeping it a secret ever since. The most famous version
of the story goes like this. Shortly after landing in
the Sea of Tranquility, Neil Armstrong radioed Houston with a
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coded message, one that wasn't meant for public years. According
to the alleged insiders, Armstrong said, this is what you
were just talking about. They're here, they're parked on the
edge of the crater. They're watching us. The story goes
at Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin saw multiple UFOs large crafts
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lined up like a fleet, sitting quietly near the rim
of the nearby crater. They weren't attacking, but they were
definitely watching. Armstrong allegedly shaken re refused to discuss it
publicly after the mission, So that's what you were saying
right there. NASA, of course, was never confirmed any of this,
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but audio tapes have been floated around for years. Some
of them are real, some likely fake. That hint at
the conversation cut from the official broadcast the missing two minutes.
Here's where it gets spookier. During the moon landing, they
were roughly two minutes of radio silence between the astronauts
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and mission control. NASA attributed it to a simple technical
glitch routine stuff in the nineteen sixties, but some believe
that during that blackout, Armstrong and Aldron were describing something
that wasn't part of the mission plan UFOs, hovering lights,
blinking objects in the sky. Some even say the astronauts
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took photos and footage that weren't never released to the public.
Weren't ever released to the public. But it wasn't just
Apollo eleven. Later missions also had rumors swirling around them.
Apollo fifteen astronaut James Irwin supposedly witnessed flashing lights from
orbit that didn't match any known Earth based satellites. Apollo
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sixteen captured film footage showing what looked like metallic objects
flying across the lunar horizon Gospel Ufoss. NASA chalked it
up to debris or lens flares. But if you slow
it down, it's a solid, fast moving object that doesn't
have doesn't behave like anything natural. Then there's Apollo seventeen,
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the last crude Moon mission. Some of the photos from
that trip released in later decades show odd reflections in
the astronauts visors and backgrounds that some interpret as dish
shaped craft in the distance. So what have some of
the astronauts said. Most Apollo astronauts they stay quiet and
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they stuck to the official stories, but there have been
a few strange comments over the years. Buzz Aldrin had
talked openly about seeing bright flashing objects out the window
during the Apollo eleven flight to the Moon. He said
it was probably the siv B rocket stage or another
piece of spacecraft, but admitted he he was never totally sure.
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Edgar Mitchell, who flew on the Apollo fourteen, was one
of the most vocal believers in UFOs. While he said
he didn't see anything on the Moon, he firmly believed
the US government was covering up alien contact. Then Gordon Cooper,
he was a Mercury astronaut pre Apollo. He claimed he
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saw UFOs on Earth during flight missions and believed that
NASA had footage of alien craft from space missions it
had never released. So Gordon Cooper this one, I find
him fascinating so he orbited the Earth several times. And
when he was orbiting the Earth, he did something was
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he was mapping different things on Earth and he was
marking as he was going along different areas that he
believed that were sunken ships and vessels and like you
know from like the Spanish and all this back way,
and he was marking them and he kept all those
records and then he worked with this gentleman who recovered
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you know, ships and shipwrecks and stuff like that. There
was a special that was on Discovery called Cooper's Treasure
and that guy, after Gordon Cooper had passed away, Cooper
left that the paperwork to him and he went out
following those coordinates and he found some of those ships
and they show ran for like two seasons and I
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think they canceled it. But he literally went out and
found like some of these sunken vessels that he recorded
from space. That's crazy, and that was back what in
the sixties, that had to be the sixties.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, mercurias and the sixties.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, anyways, off topic one more time.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's what we do best.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, So if astronauts really saw UFOs on the Moon,
why wouldn't Assa tell us. The theories ranged from a
mass panic to national security. Everything is national security or
we just can't handle it. You know, they didn't want
to lose control of the narrative during the Cold War.
I mean, there's a lot of different reasons. Others think
it's about reverse engineering alien tech, but they always want
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to keep it quiet. Why scientists study the footage behind
closed doors. So to this day, the idea we may
first contact on the moon continues to captivate believers and
skeptics alike, whether it's distorted audio, strange visual anomalies, or
just gut instinct that we're not alone. This story won't die.
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And I don't know. I remember I heard all these
theories about them seeing that. I've heard about that footage
before I even started researching it. And I've heard some footage.
I thought I heard him. I thought I heard that,
But I don't know if it was faked. It's so
hard now, there's so much shit.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, I don't know of the actual audio existing on
That doesn't mean it doesn't. I just remember hearing that
several times that I actually there is. I believe Neil
Armstrong did say that. I believe he did see them.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well, you've seen the interview when they come back, right
where they all look like they are just I don't know.
I don't even know how to explain it. If you
watch the interview, they're all so somber and like, where
they should be happy or whatever, they look like they're
completely depressed. Yeah, you know, I don't know. It's crazy interview,
not because you get a lot of information from them.
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It's just their reaction and the way that they react
to questions and the way they look. It's just nuts.
All right. One more, This one I've heard brought up recently,
this conspiracy theory, and it is the Van Allen radiation belt,
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which is the invisible barrier that should have cooked the
Apollo astronauts. So this one is always floated in the
background of the moon landing conspiracies. The Van Allen radiation belts,
these invisible zones of charged particles surround Earth like a
protective force field, or, as some claim, a deadly barrier
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that no human could ever survive. According to skeptics of
the Apollo mission, the fact that astronauts had to pass
through these belts and allegedly came back just fine, it's
proof that the moon landings were fake after all. If
the radiation is so intense, as scientists say, how did
they get through it without being fried like cosmic bacon.
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So we'll break it down here. What the belts are,
why people believe they're a problem, and what this has
to do with one of the most famous space conspiracies
of all time. Discovered in nineteen fifty eight by doctor
James Van Allen, these belts are made up of high
energy particles trapped by Earth's magnetic field. They come in
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two main layers, the first the inner belt full of
mostly protons, then too, the outer belt, loaded with electrons.
These regions are incredibly radioactive and their intensity changes based
on solar activity. Radiation in these belts can damage electronics,
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mess with spacecraft, and yes, pose a serious health risk
to humans if exposed exposure is too long. In short,
these belts are not to be taken lightly. Here's where
it gets juicy. Conspiracy theorists argue that the Van Allen
Belts are so dangerous no Apollo mission could have made
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it through them safely, especially not back in the nineteen sixties.
The technology and spacecraft made of thin aluminum foil and
pretty much duct tape. They point out that modern space
agencies like NASA, ESA and even SpaceX go to great
lengths to avoid prolonged exposure to these belts. Crews spacecraft
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since the Apollo era have stayed in low Earth orbit
just below the Van Allen Belt. So skeptics ask, if
radiation is too dangerous, now, how did astronauts survive multiple
round trips through it half a century ago with gear
that's laughably outdated today? And this comes up a lot.
How do they make it through that belt? Because I
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mean it is loaded with it is loaded with It's
just fucking radiation. It can cook you. But so this
is where you get get in the technical part of it.
The radiation levels and the Van Allen Belt are definitely high,
but according to NASA, the Apollo space craft travel through
the thinnest parts of the belt, so apparently it's not
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all the same. There's like areas that are thinner. I
don't know how they knew this back then. They only
discovered it in nineteen fifty eight, and they went through
them quickly though, spending only like an hour in total
inside the danger zone. NASA insists that the spacecraft's aluminum
hull and insulation provided enough shielding, and the astronaut's exposure
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was kept within safe limits less than the typical CT
scan in total. But conspiracy theorists aren't buying it. They
argue that NASA didn't have the proper shielding technology at
the time, the actual flight path and speed don't match
the claim quick to pass through, and some astronaut should
have shown radiation sickness syndromes afterwards and none dead. Some
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missions like Oriyon are still researching how to shield humans
from the belt, So why were we able to do
so in the nineteen in nineteen sixty nine. So one
of the things I believe is when they are researching this,
but they're researching it because the astronauts will be in
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it for a lot longer period of time, you know.
If you're talking about missions not to the Moon but
to Mars. I mean, this is an Earth's atmosphere, but
you have to travel through for more than an hour,
you know, And I don't know. One of the other
things I was thinking is I don't think they were
as concerned back then. No, Yeah, the mission was to
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get to the Moon. If you're gonna they're going to
risk it and send you through, you know what I mean.
And if they did have radiation sickness, they probably wouldn't
have said anything.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I doubt they would have, and NASA probably would have
viewed them as disposable.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Honestly, we had to beat the Russians there, plain and simple.
We had to get there before the Russians. So that's
why so many people thought it was fake.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
They didn't even deny that that was the motive. It
wasn't like they were playing at cool. No.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
No, we had to win. And I mean, I don't
know where I stand on the stand on that belt.
I know it's real, it's a real thing. They really
do have to pass through it, but I think that
they can't. You know, we were lead. When you go
into cat scan, you wear lead when you do X rays.
It blocks a lot of that stuff. Now, I know
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it leads heavy and they're probably not putting it in
the walls, but I mean, there's different things that they
can use to block radiation. It's not like it's can't
be blocked. So they're saying the aluminum blocked a lot
of it. I didn't know that it.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Would, but I'll explain it to you if you would
let me get the whiteboard.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I'm respiratory department used to be right up against radiology,
and I always thought they're just blasting back here. That
isn't why I'm so fucking stupid. But the radiation argument
ties directly into a larger theory that the moon landing
was staged. And we've all heard that, possibly on the
sound stage, directed by someone like I don't know, Stanley Kubrick.
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Everybody's heard that claim. According to this theory, NASA faked
the landings because the radiation was too deadly. They didn't
want to lose the space race to the Soviets, and
they knew they couldn't safely send humans that far and
bring them back. So instead of skin life some political embarrassment,
they faked the footage, presented it as real, and use
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the radiation belt issue to explain why future missions stopped
in nineteen seventy two. So I don't know the UH.
I have watched a lot of the stuff about where
they said that we fake going to the Moon.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, I've seen that too.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
And they have some damn good stuff that you're like,
did we once? Once people start pointing stuff out to
you question a lot of it. Yeah, but I believe
we went.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Oh, I don't think we faked it. And I've seen
the same stuff, the same arguments, and every time they
have an argument, there's an extremely plausible explanation of why
that discrepancy is there or whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
So right, and the number of the sheer number of
people that would have had to have been in on it.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
And kept their mouth shut for the last fifty something years.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, absolutely, So I don't know. I know that that's there,
I know that it's real, but I don't think it's
as dangerous as people now make it out to be.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
I wasn't familiar with that, honestly, I've never heard of it.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Doesn't It comes up a lot now. I know that
SpaceX is working on some stuff, and I don't know
how far it goes out from Earth because as I
was saying, as I was saying that like they have
to go through it for longer, but I mean they
probably don't, because if they were going to the Moon,
they would have been going through it the entire time.
It wouldn't have been an hour. It's a couple of
days trip to the Moon, so it obviously stops. So
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I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Katie Perry went up recently and there's no way they
would have risked her.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
And she's an astronaut, she was up.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
There for like eight We're not risking Katie Perry.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Or Gale whatever her name is. Yeah, but anyways, those
are the conspiracies I got for this week.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
That was good. I like those. Uh, we're gonna head
over to the firepit. Guys, if you have any firepit stories,
send them in Beyond the Shadows two o seven at
gmail dot com or any of our socials. We're running
not critically low, but we're always low, always low, yep,
So we always say paranormal. You know, anything scary, funny,
just a good story you would tell your friends, family
around the fire pit. That's that's what we want to hear.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
And one thing we want to say, all of you
that have taken the time to send stuff, every one
of them that's been sent will be done. And the
fact that you guys take the time to do that,
it's just incredible. We appreciate it more. It's our favorite part.
I know it's my favorite part. I have to hear
you guys's story, and I know it's a lot of
your favorite parts because you don't have to hear me
fuck up every other word story, I can fuck up
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the words in your stories.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Also, before I forget, we always ask for show ideas.
If you guys have any. We do have several submitted.
We're not ignoring you, guys. We kind of the pipeline
the way we work. We're multiple episodes.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Out, yeah, and we try to mix them up and
move them around.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
We have heard you. We're not ignoring them. We will
get to.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Those absolutely, but if you have more, send them in
and head to the fire pit. We'll catch over there.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
So this week's firepit comes to us from Jimmy. This
is maybe his third. He's told us a couple of
good Jimmy's saws. Jimmy's one of the ogs. Yes, Marine, Hey, y'all,
here's a funny fire pit story. It might be one
of those you had to be their stories, but I'm
gonna tell it anyway. So back in nineteen ninety five,
when I was on the Marine Corps, I had just
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transferred from Okinawa, Japan to Camp Pendleton. That's where I
met my brother from another mother, David. At first, David
and I didn't like each other, but eventually we became inseparable.
I introduced him to his wife and became his kid's uncle. Ultimately,
we both discharged from the Marine Corps and went on
to our civilian jobs. I'll fast forward to twenty twelve.
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That's when both of us teamed up and started driving
over the road hauling produce. David was the more experienced
between the two of us. He had spent four years
of his childhood in Alaska and learned how to drive
on snow and ice. I'm from central California, where we
don't get that stuff. David taught me how to drive
in snow and ice and told me what to look
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for when it came to black ice living in Maine.
I know you guys know all about that nasty stuff. Well,
I drove days days and David drove nights. On one
particular winter day, I started driving in Oklahoma and we
were headed to Connecticut. It was raining that day and
kind of cold. Well, I was on I forty four
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and I had just crossed the Missouri state line when
all of a sudden, the traffic came to a crawl.
I was wondering why the traffic was going so slow
when I realized that ice was forming on my windshield.
Wipers in the back of my mirrors. That's a telltale
sign that there's black ice on the road. I remembered
that I needed to keep my momentum and to not panic.
It took me four hours to go. Excuse me, it
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took me two hours to go forty four miles to
get to a truck stop. I had finally got there safely,
and you could see that the parking lot was covered
in black ice. All this time, David was sleeping, but
when he woke up, he could tell what was going on.
This is where it gets funny. Now, David had to
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use the bathroom, so he went to get out of
the truck. He took one step down and fell to
the ground. I started to crack up, laughing. I tried
to compose myself and looked to see if he was okay.
When I looked out the passenger door, all I saw
was David lying on his back in a turtle position.
You know how turtles will kick their feet if you
lay them upside down. Well, here's David moaning, laying on
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his back, trying to figure out what the hell happened.
He finally got up, and when he get out of sight,
I was finally able to laugh my ass off. When
he came back to the truck. I was still laughing.
I'm laughing now, writing.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Dude, that's so us.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
From that day on, we called it the turtle incident,
and it would always make us laugh. Unfortunately, David passed
away in twenty twenty three. Sorry, but I will never
forget that day and all the fun we had over
the road. You guys, keep up the good work. Simplify. Uh, Yeah,
I didn't read ahead. I'm really sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, that's that's rough that they passed. But it's an awesome.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Memory, really good memory. That's a really good story.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, it really is. When I was hearing the story,
I was thinking of Amanda's story. Remember Amanda wrote us
a story. She's a trucker also, and she was coming
over the hill and somebody helped guide her over the
hill and the ice and the.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
St Yeah, there's anybody that knows about those conditions. It's
a long haul trucker.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Absolutely. Yeah. We do deal with black ice here in Maine,
for sure. I just drive. I drive in the snow
all the time. I just drive slow as hell all
the time.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
I remember I was driving in the snowstorm on the
highway once and it wasn't black ice. It was just
a fucking you know, a blizzard, and I lost control
with a car, like full on lost control. And usually
the highways are jam packed. I just got lucky that
day there was nobody around me. I spun like three
sixty like nine different times and then just bumped the
guard real slowed down right before there was if there
was a car anywhere near me, it was over. Because
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when you lose control like that, you're.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Fucked, Oh for sure. I had a Dodge Avenger and
I was driving home from my job in Iowa, going
back to Nebraska, and I hit a pitch a patch
of black ice, and I remember that car. I was
doing like way too fast for the weather conditions, and
I was probably doing like fifty five or sixty, and
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all of a sudden, the car was going forward. I
hit the black ice. I spun and didn't slow down.
I was going backwards, and I passed the car that
was in the breakdown land going backwards, and then the
car spun back around frontwards, did like a little fishtail
and kept going. I mean I literally went probably like
three four hundred feet backwards down the interstate, flipped back around,
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went forward, and just kept going. Scared the piss out
of me. And that's what I was on purpose, on purpose,
I'm waving out the window. It's a out the windows.
I thank you for that story, Bud. We really appreciate it.
You've contributed a lot, and we appreciate you. Absolutely simplify
back at you. I had to look up with simple
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five meant I had forgotten. Yeah, and it always fateful, right, yeah,
I believe yeah, yeah, which is one thing you can
always count on as a marine. All right, Bud, We
appreciate you, and we appreciate all of you. If you
guys have some stories, get them into us Beyond the
Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com and we
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Hi, and welcome back to episode one hundred and forty
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So first week we're back on our regular schedule. Here
recorded in the middle of the night. So yeah, we're
back to almost live.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, we're close, closer than we liked, by the skin
of our teeth. Close. So what's in the news?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So we got police in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. They're asking for
the public's help in tracking down Scooby Doo. So it
seems Scooby broke into the quick stop on on Highway
this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's really.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
He's always been a piece of shit. He broke bad,
he made off with cash and coins, and he might
have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for
metal kids. So he hangs up with a big, tall,
skinny dude in the green shirt, stuffy deude high out
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of his gourd all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I saw that thing. And it's literally a dude in
the Scooby dooket Like they look like pajamas almost, But
it's got a hood, it's got it's the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
It's a five foot white dude. That's all we know
for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's it. Huh.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You like Scooby Snacks, he's.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Peeing on a hydrant outside of the place.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You think about the different like difference in programming back then.
That was like big hitting what the sixties. I want
to say that the original cartoon Air sixties, one of
the main characters is high out of his gorgon. There's
no doubt about it, Like that would never fly today. Well,
who knows, Well, it's like an adult cartoon like Family,
Oh yeah, but Scooby was clearly meant for kids. I
think it's funny, but.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh I do too. But yeah, they were definitely high
off there. There was smoke coming out of the things
all the time. I didn't catch it out as a kid,
But I mean literally that that van was constantly.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It was like the van from Fast Times at Richemont High.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Uh So, we also got two young bears that busted
out of a pen on Tuesday in the UK, but
rather than make a break for it, they busted into
the food stores eight a week's worth of honey and
then just fell asleep.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
That's the kind of crook that I am, sleep eating.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Reese's making your get away with.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
This is like Yogi the bear shit? What about the
rings your Yogi? Uh So.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Mish and Lucia their names, both age four. They live
in a wildlife park. They escape escape their enclosure at
Wildwood Devon in southwestern England due to a quote operational error.
It's gonna be a pretty big error. What to fucking
bears out?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No ship, dude, Yeah, sorry, your kid got eaten. I
accidentally messed up.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And like it always happens in these situations, when somebody
funcks up, they will always say it's quote an isolated incident,
and they say that here too.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We don't let man eating bears out.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Typically, Typically we don't let them out two or three
times on the rare occasions they need to stretch your
legs eating.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They generally don't need anybody over seven or eight. Yeah. Ah,
so we're staying in the UK For the last news
story this week. Thirty nine year old Lucy Roberts was
a jewelry store manager at a high end shop in Humberside.
Coworkers found it odd that she would frequently take merchandise
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home with her and then tell them she was working
from home sorting out stock and such. In an incredibly
not so bright move, She then quits the store, takes
an extended vacation and sends her former co workers a
shit ton of photos of herself on vacation, decked out
in the jewelry that was from the store.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Unbelievable. If you're a thief, stay the fuck off. Social
media people are so stupid.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Talk about underestimating your coworkers intelligence, even overestimating their liking
of youth. They're not gonna telling you at that probably like, oh,
they love me, and they're like she's a oh stand
her yeah. Uh. Police, so they got tips from the
because they did rad her road. Police searched her home.
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They found one hundred and seventy thousand dollars worth of gold, silver,
diamonds and cash just stuffed under her bed in the
cupboards and shit. Wow, So I mean she hasn't finished
with the inventory yet. Yeah, obviously takes a while to
sort it out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, she just brought her work home with her.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Just jumped conclusions. She was sentenced to twenty eight months
in prison cash.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Another piece of news that me and Ryan were actually
talking about before the show is something that happened a
while back. I don't think we ever mentioned it, but
if you guys remember I did an episode called The
Silk Road. It was about Ross Ulrich and I don't
know if you got guys. No, he was actually pardoned
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by Trump and they let he's the one that made
the Silk Road where there was like eBay for drugs
and all that stuff. But he got railroaded and set
up by the federal government and the people who set
him up were stealing his bitcoin from him and all
kind of it set him up like he was trying
to commit murder when he wasn't well. He got pardoned
by Trump and he got out, and then the news
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that just came out is somebody he has like a
It isn't a GoFundMe, but he has an account for
like you can donate to him, and somebody donated thirty
million dollars worth of bitcoin to him. And it came
out from one of the wallets attached to one of
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the other not the Silk Road, but another one of
those type places that came after the Silk Road. Whoever
ran that, I don't think they ever caught, and I
don't remember the names of those ones. I'd have to
go back and look, but whoever ran one of those,
one of their wallets transferred transferred thirty million dollars in bitcoin.
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So not only did he get pardoned, but he's loaded
once again, and he's probably got some Honestly, he's probably
got some bitcoin out there floating around. I'm sure back
in the day when he was doing it, bitcoin was
worth about a dollar. As of right now, it's worth
one hundred and five thousand dollars for one bitcoin. So yeah,
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So anyways, little update on that story.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So what do you got going on for us this week?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So I am going to do some conspiracy is just
going to be a conspiracy corner. But these are all
space related.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh nice, so excellent. We'll be right back guys, do
you know what the world is? All right?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The first conspiracy is the Black Knight satellite. Have you
ever heard of this? The story of the Black Knight satellite.
You might have seen a strange, jagged looking object floating
in low Earth orbit and some nasaotos, Or maybe you've
heard whispers about an alien satellite that's been circling our
planet for thousands of years watching us. Yeah, that's the one.
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It's a theory that refuses to die. To be clear,
the Black Knight satellite isn't something NASA ever officially acknowledged
as real. It's more like a puzzle made up of
random space stuff, you know, old scientific myths. The earliest
piece of the puzzle, though, goes all the way back
to eighteen ninety nine, when Nikola Tesla was doing a
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radio experiment in Colorado Springs. He claimed he picked up
a strange, repeating signal from space. Tesla thought it might
be a message from another world. Most scientists at the
time just shrugged and chalked it up to radio interference.
You know, I'd have been listening to Tesla. He was
so much more than all the rest of them in
the first.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Place, was fucking brilliant other than the.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Fact he was in love with a pigeon. Dude knew everything.
I was just talking to my brother about him the
other day. You realize that when he died, it was
Trump the family that got all of his that got
like they believe a lot of the trust. Some of
it was given to him by Uh. I just saw this.
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The government, I don't remember what agency gave him a
lot of the stuff. And Trump is not obviously not
this Trump is his great grandfather or whatever was an
electric electro engineer that invented a lot of stuff with
like I think it's MRIs. I think it's MRIs. I'm
not positive about that, but anyways, yeah, it's quite the
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you know, coincidence. Not but all right. Fast forward to
the nineteen twenties and a Norwegian engineer named Jordan Hows
picked up long delayed radio echoes echoes signals bouncing back
seconds late, which should never have been possible. He had
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no clue why it was happening. Nobody really did. These
weird radio signals became the first breadcrumb in what would
eventually be called the Black Night Mystery. So skip ahead
to nineteen ninety eight, when things really got weird. During
NASA's STS eighty eight mission, the first mission to assemble
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the International Space Station, astronauts took some photos during a spacewalk.
One of those photos showed a weird looking object floating
above Earth. It wasn't like a satellite or square like
a panel. It was dark, twisted, almost like a sculpture.
Conspiracy theorists saw the photos and collectively said, that's it,
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that's the Black Night. NASA said it was just a
thermal blanket that had swipped slipped away during the spacewalk.
But if you ask a believer, they say, no way.
A thermal blanket doesn't look like that, a thermal blanket
doesn't cast a shadow like that, and a thermal one
doesn't show up in old mists and strange signals from
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decades earlier. So what is it really? According to the
conspiracy crowd, the Black Knight is an alien probe, possibly thousands,
maybe even thirteen thousand years old, that's been quietly orbiting Earth,
moderating us like some cosmic surveillance drone. Some believe it
was left here by an ancient alien race to keep
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tabs on humanity. Others think that it's a remnant of
a lost civilization, or even part of a galactic communication system.
It's even been linked to ancient Somalian text and the
myth of the Watchers, supernatural beings who observe humanity from
above and sence. It's allegedly been spotted in a pole
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or orbit, a path that runs from pole to pole,
which is still difficult for us to actually do today.
Some folks argue that humans couldn't have launched it back
then when it was first noticed. That type of orbit
wasn't even possible for us to the nineteen sixties, so
it gets even weirder. Some believe the satellite is connected
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to UFO settings, or that it's sending signals back to
its creators. Others say that it's been detected, tracked, and
even covered up by agencies like NORAD and NASA. Some
go further and claim every government knows about it but
refuse to talk. There's even a theory that we've tried
to shoot it down but failed, and that's why most
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missions avoid talking about the anomalous object in orbit. You've
also heard wild ideas that the Black Knight isn't even
a physical satellite, but a sentinel intelligence or an ancient
AI drifting in our skies waiting for the right moment
to make contact. Well, let's be real. Most scientists will
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tell you that there's no mystery here. Tesla's signals probably
radio interference. The nineteen ninety eight photo more than likely
actually is a blanket. The long delayed echoes. They still
there's really still no explanation for those. No one's proven
where they came from, but to this day, they really
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don't know. To the science world, the Black Knight is
just a collection of misunderstood data points, unrelated incidents stitched
together into a great story. But if you're someone who
believes that there's more out there, more than what we're told,
this story feels like it's just plausible enough to be true.
So why does it people believe? Well, the Black Knight
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theory has stuck around for so long because it scratches
an itch. We all have the idea that we're being
watched and we're not alone, that someone or something is
keeping tabs on us from above, which I think a
lot of people truly do believe.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, I think it's entirely possible.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It is. We'll talk about it, mare Athan. It's a
modern myth with all the right ingredients. It's got space mystery,
hidden knowledge, and just enough NASA silence, you know, make
you scratch ahead until someone flies up there and actually
you know, grabs it or does whatever, gets some photos
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or anything. People are going to continue to believe it.
So I'm going to go through some of the different
things that people actually think that it is. One, they
think it's ancient AI moditoring civilization. Like I said, some
theorists believe that the Black Knight is more than just
a machine. It's from an ancient artificial intelligence send here
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to observe or influence human behavior. They think it might
activate at certain technological milestones, nudging us in a specific direction,
or actually even blocking us from advancing too far, too fast.
And we've heard that a lot lately in some of
this UFO stuff. It's like we're being capped at like
a certain level. Others believe in two it's a beacon,
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not a satellite. So in this theory, it's not a
satellite at all, but a cosmic beacon transmitting Earth's location
or status to someone or something out there. Some believers
believe it periodically sends data into deep space, and maybe
why we never fully invaded. The observers are just watching.
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Number three. It appears in ancient star maps. Some researchers
claim the strange reference to dark stars or wandering shadows
in ancient star maps and Sumerian text maybe describing the
black Night. These texts often describe dark travelers that cross
the sky in cycles, and some interpret that as early
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sightings of this mysterious object.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I would assume they're talking about a media or like this.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Or comment or something like that. Yeah, meteor. But if
people are looking, if they're looking to link it together,
they're going to take that and run with it. You know,
if you look hard enough, if you can find what
you look absolutely. Number four it's linked to missing time
and abduction cases. There's a weird overlap between settings of
the Black Knight and reporting reports of missing time or
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abduction experiences. In a few cases, people report waking up
during strange highness events only to look up and see
a dark, unfamiliar object in the sky. Some theorists suggest
that the satellite could be involved in data harvesting or experimentation. Now,
this is another one. I think. Say that you see
something in the sky after that, you can think that
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to a UFO or the craft. I would not think
that would be the Black Knight satellite.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Five, it's part of a network of sentinels. According to
some fringe therapists, the Black Knight is just one of
many probes, a sentinel placed in orbit around developing planets.
These objects keep watch until the species becomes ready to
make contact. Some say similar objects have been spotted near Mars, Venus,
or even Saturn's moon Titan. So I guess if you're
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waiting to see if something would you know, spring from
nothing and then develop into something, those would be the
places around here. But I've never heard of any other
satellites or other than the supposed Black Night. I've never
heard of anything around Mars.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Or I mean, how many people have equipment strong enough
to even view that stuff? There are many telescopes, No,
you can have satellites.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
No, they're seeing a lot of stuff now with the
James Web satellite, but it's that's just regular space stuff
that's blowing their mind.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
There's probably only a handful of telescopes on Earth that
have the power to view a small satellite around Mars
and other planets. And it's not somebody like you and
me doesn't have access to those.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
You know. They said something I saw in the news
today when I was watching the science portion of the news. Anyways,
they said that the James Webb James web right, Ah,
as it was looking out it's seeing it's getting light
back from galaxies that are too far away to be
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reflecting light back. And that's really hard to understand. But
the universe, our universe is supposedly expanding faster than the
speed of light, so these galaxies should be as it expands,
they're expanding further away at than the speed of light,
so their light should never shine back to where we
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could see it, I guess, which is another thing hard
to wrap your brain around. But we can see them.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's the science you're going to be high as shit for.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh my god, dude, can you just start thinking about
that stuff? And you're like, what the fun?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We'll cover that on our Edibles episode. Yeah, I forgot
we're supposed to do that. I'll get out the whiteboard
and explain the science. Let me break this. I got
it all figured.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It'll be the one day I read smoothly. Scott read
really well. Today is dyslexic?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Do some good will hunting equations and shit all right.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Number six, The Black Knight is cloaked most of the time.
One reason people say we don't see it more often
is because it's cloaked. This idea is that the object
only becomes visible at certain times during specific lighting conditions.
Energy surgeres are when something malfunctions. That would explain why
it randomly shows up in photos and vanishes for years,
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which also just seems way too convenient. Very and seven
goes to a lot of the theories. Now, it's interdimensional,
not just extraterrestrial. So some theorists claim that the Black
Knight isn't even physical in the way that we understand.
It's interdimensional. It can phase in and out of our reality,
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explaining why it's so hard to track. According to this
line of thinking, it's not just spying on us, exists
in a higher layer of reality altogether, and this is
where a lot of theories are going to these days.
I don't bite it about the Black Knight, but anyways,
that's the Black Knight satellite. I don't know. I don't
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think there's enough to legitimize the Black Knight. I've seen
a lot of different things about it.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The photo could well be a space blanket.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know, when you look at it, it does look
really wow, what is that? But where it was coming
from and where it was taken like that, it's obviously
a space blanket. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, when you see the photo with no explanation, you're like,
what the hell is that?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Usually when NASA says something, you're like, oh, that's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, you're not agree with.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Everything on the Black Night is not easily explained, but
there's plausible explanations. And then when you hear that it's
a space blank and you look at it again, you're like, yeah,
I can see that as a space blank.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I could totally see that. Now, Tesla, it could
have been radio waste, but he didn't seem to think.
So Tesla's a smart motherfucker. The other stuff is still unexplained,
but I just don't think there's enough and a lot
of the stuff that people are trying to bring in
and say, well, this is the Black Night. It's just
it could be so many other things, so many other things.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It could be all kinds of things. But you don't
have to jump to these crazy ideas. You know, there's
not a lot to suggest it. It's plausible, but there's
not much there.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Right, all right, we'll burry it back with the next one.
Do you know what in the world is? All right?
So this one, next one to me, is a little
more plausible.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So my next conspiracy. So let's talk about one of
the wildest, most intriguing space conspiracies out there. Alien bases
on the far side of the Moon. Yet not just
UFO sidings or blurry lights in the sky. We're talking
about actual alien structures built on the Moon, just chilling
out of you, right under our noses. Now, before you
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roll your eyes, hear me out. Because the theory has
a long, twisted history and a lot of strange photos,
alleged whistleblowers, and plenty of people who are absolutely convinced
that something weird is going on up there. And I
definitely think something weird is going on in the moon.
If you've ever seen some of the photos, there are
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random flashes on the moon a lot, there's random Uh,
if you ever watch a lot of UFO footage and
stuff like that, people that can really zoom, there's something
going on up there. Stuff that isn't ai, you know. Yeah,
So why the far side? Here's the thing about the moon.
We only ever see one side of it. It rotates
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in such a way that the same face is always
pointed towards Earth. Now, I've tried to work this out
in my head. How the hell this works? You know,
because it does rotate and it gets I guess when
the whole earth it's staying, it's staying static to us, right,
So the same side always faces us. But when the
whole thing circles around, so it still goes. It gets
night and day still.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It rotates in such a way that the same face
is always pointing towards Earth that the other side, the
so called dark side, isn't actually dark. It gets sunlight too,
it's just permanently turned away from us. And because we
couldn't see it until the nineteen fifties, that side became
the perfect blank canvas for all kinds of mysteries. If
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you're going to build a secret alien base that you
didn't want humans to find, is basically the ideal hiding spot,
and it really is. We never see the backside of
the moon, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Back in the nineteen fifty nine, the Soviet Union sent
a probe called Luna three to snap the first pictures
of the Moon's far side. The images were super grainy,
like you could barely tell a crater from a shat,
but there were enough to kickstart the whispers. People started
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pointing out what they thought were structures, towers, even domes
on the surface, and once the US started its Apollo missions,
things really took off. Even though none of the astronauts
landed on the far side, most missions orbited, and that's
where the theories exploded. Some folks believe NASA took photos
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of things they didn't expect to find, unusual shapes, different patterns,
maybe even actual buildings. Instead of showing the public, the
story goes, they either classified the images or edited them
before release. Now, I've seen a dude on one of
the documentaries. They claimed he went through and every time
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he saw something on those NASA photos, they'd market and
remove a lot of stuff that was questionable. Whether he
was a legit whistleblower or not, I.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Don't know, but doing that is plausible to me. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
NASA is done. Like on Mars. Tell me why all
the pictures of Mars Mars is red. They literally put
that tone in those pictures. It doesn't if you look
at the rover Now it's not just because the cameras
are better, it's not. It doesn't have that red look
to it. It looks more like a brown desert. And
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they literally tended those pictures. What was the purpose of that,
you know, to this day, no idea. Let's talk about
the photos, the ones conspiracy theorists point to again and again.
There's the famous Shard picture which shows a weird tower
looking thing sticking out of the lunar surface, which is
a crazy picture. I will share that one on social media.
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And another shot features what people call the Castle, which
is a big, boxy object that almost looks like it's
floating above the moon. NASA said these are just camera
glitches or tricks of the light. Basically nothing to see here.
But believers say, come on, how do you look at
those photos and not think something strange is going on.
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Now here's where it gets even more interesting. A few
former NaSTA employees and military contractors have come forwarded over
the years saying that they've seen things that weren't supposed
to see. One guy, Carl Wolf, claimed he worked with
the lunar images and saw actual structures in NASA's photos,
like buildings and roads on the far side of the Moon.
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Another guy, Kent Johnston, said he was told to destroy
photos that showed alien activity. He didn't. He kept some
of them and some of those have leaked out, and
obviously they're in his book. So these guys, they tell
them the truth, or it's hard to say something. They're
legit whistleblowers. Others say they're just trying to sell books.
But either way, they had fuel to the fire. So
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the whole alien based theory isn't just about the US
space program. It's tied to a lot of other conspiracies.
Some people believe aliens warned us to stay off the moon,
which is why the Apollo mission suddenly stopped after nineteen
seventy two. And I always kind of lean towards this
one because we were going to the moon. A lot
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of missions went to the moon. What'd we What was
the first one on the moon was eleven? Right?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think six six missions landing on the Moon. I
believe it right, eleven to seventeen, right, Yeah, twelve guys
walked on eleven to six, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen or.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Sixteen thirteen didn't land on the right. So they went
to Apollo seventeen, it's when to stop. Yeah, and but
all of a sudden we just stopped, and you know,
and it was always really weird that the program just
at that point just went away, like we lost interest
or you know, because we went there, we were interested
to get there, and we would didn't just do it
once we kept doing it.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
It's kind of strange for me when you hear a
little off subject, when you hear NASA talk about how
they want to get back to the Moon and start
that process together, basically talking like I've heard comments about
the fact we're trying to develop the technology to get
back to the Moon. I'm thinking, how the fuck did
we have that technology in nineteen sixty nine, but now
we're trying to develop the technology to get there. How
do you not have it?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
They had next to no technology on that damn Yeah,
where the Apollo missions had like next to none. You know,
your cell phone's got so much more technology than the
first Moon mission. I remember one time they said that
those you know those cards you buy that you open
it up and they say they sing happy Birthday or whatever,
that they have more technology than the first Apollo mission.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Think of how smart some of those fucking people were
back then to squeeze all the what they did, what
they did, what they had available.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean when they were first when they were first
launched up there, they were jotting stuff down with pen
you know, pencil and paper, you know, working out calculations
on how to you know, the trajectory and stuff. They
had no math, you know, they didn't just get to
push a button. They had to actually to thirteen.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
When they're doing that shit on the fly. I I
don't even know what the fuck he's talking about right now,
but that shit's impressive. That's not when you want to
forget to carry a one gimbal angles and shit, yeah,
no shit. And now they just you know it just
tell what do does it itself. They don't have to
even do anything emergency. They're breaking other cell phones to
kill good all right.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So Yeah, as far as the Aliens wanting to stay
off the Moon, I don't know where I stand on
that now, but I used to definitely think that was
the case. Others think the US actually built secret bases
there in partnership with extraterrestrials, that the so called secret
Space Program theory. There's a lot of people that also
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thought that Hitler had actually made it to the Moon
and had bases on the Moon, and that's something you
can dig into. There's a lot of stuff about that
Hitler was in a lot of places where he actually
was is an Argentina.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well in reality, yeah, that's where a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Went, and they think, actually Hitler. They were obsessed with
the antarctica too, yes, And there's some stuff about more
stuff to look into, yep. And then there's the folks
who believe the Moon is even real, that it's hollow
or an artificial satellite or a giant alien ship. If
you go back to one of the other conspiracy corners.
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I did a thing on the hollow Moon, and I
at first thought it was just garbage. And when I
got into that story and started researching into the hollow Moon,
it fucking blew my mind. The stuff on the hollow Moon, OK,
there's some stuff that just doesn't make it. And it
ain't just the moon ringing, it's like the whole you know.
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The Almost every crater on the Moon is the same depth.
No matter how big it was they got hit by
whatever asteroid hit it, it never went deeper than the
one before it. I don't know. So that all sounds
like science fiction. But for a lot of people, these
ideas connect the dots between ancient myth UFO sightings and
modern government secrecy. So why haven't we been back? That's
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a million dollar question. We sent people to the Moon
in the nineteen sixties and seventies with way less technology
than we have now, so why have we back. NASA
says this about budget, politics and priorities, but theorists aren't
buying it. They think that we were warned off, or
plain and simple like you're not ready for this yet,
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stay home. Even other countries like China sent missions to
the Moon, some people think they were under pressure to
keep quiet about what they find, especially if they land
near the Far side. So we're going to go through
a list of some other things that people believe, like
we did with the last one, the Moon's UH surveillance station.
Some say the Moon itself was placed in orbit, not
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formed naturally, and acts as a watchtower. According to this theory,
alien bases on the Far Side aren't just outposts. They're
part of a global monitoring system keeping tabs on the
Earth's surface, energy, and even human consciousness. Number two Lunar
bases are mining operations. That there's a growing belief that
aliens aren't just sitting around, they're mining the Moon for
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rare resources. Some say that those dusty craters are actually
open pit mines or exhaust vents for underground alien industry. Industry.
Then three astronauts were briefed before launch that a less
talk about idea. Some conspiracy theorists believe NASA astronauts were
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told ahead of time that they might encounter some things
on the Moon, not just in them maybe you'll see
a UFO way, but allegedly shown classified footage of the bases,
warned not to interact and instructed to stick to specific areas.
Number four laser and energy weapon test sites. There's claim
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that some lunar photos, specifically the ones showing odd flashes
or glows, which there are a ton of. If there's
a ton of videos of lights on the Moon, might
show testing grounds for alien direct energy weapons, which I
don't buy that. There's definitely been stuff of life, it's
on the moon. I can't see where it would be
an energy weapon. Fifth one moonquake abnormalities. You know that
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the Moon rings like a bell. We discussed that before
during seismatic events. Some people think that that's not natural.
It's a sign that there's machinery or structure deep inside.
So that's the hollow moon theory. Six, it's a secret
teleportation routes. There's theories claim that the far side of
the Moon has portals or teleport stations connecting it to Mars,
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deep space, or even underground bases on Earth. Ryan looks
like he's buying that.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Stress.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That's all we can buy some crazy shit. You know,
it's funny because we talk about some of it like
it's so matter of fact. Well, that's definitely real. This
not at all, not a fucking chance. And then some
people actually believe that there was an uh, there was
a war on the moon. One of the more cinematic
theories that there was an actual war on the Moon
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sometime in the late twentieth century. Some say it involved
US space forces, but which wasn't even the US Space
Force wasn't even truly a thing until when Trump do
that in two thousand and twenty twenty eighteen. Somewhere in
there anyways, another far fetch one, because some of these
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are far fat. So I don't know, what do you think,
what do you think about basis on the backside of
the Moon.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's definitely plausible. I believe one hundred percent there's been
a ton of alien activity on the Moon, whether they
have a constant presence there or not. I remember hearing
this might be bullshit, but I remember hearing when Neil
Armstrong walked on the Moon for the first time that
he said, off record, not only did he see aliens,
he saw several alien crafts on the very edge of
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the crater he was walking in. But he said something
to the effect or don't ask me on the record,
because I won't fucking it. I mean, he could have
actually said that. It could be somebody just completely making
it up. I don't know, which.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Takes us into our next story, conspiracy. II. I'm glad
you said that. Did the Apollo astonaut see something they
weren't supposed to see?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
All right, Well, let's rewind to one of the most
iconic moments in human history July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine.
Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin step onto the Moon and
the world holds its breath. But while the cameras were
rolling and the world was watching, some say something else
was going on in the background, something strange, quiet and classified.
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That's right. There's a theory that the Apollo astronauts didn't
just walk on the Moon. They saw UFOs while they
were up there, and that NASA new and they've been
keeping it a secret ever since. The most famous version
of the story goes like this. Shortly after landing in
the Sea of Tranquility, Neil Armstrong radioed Houston with a
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coded message, one that wasn't meant for public years. According
to the alleged insiders, Armstrong said, this is what you
were just talking about. They're here, they're parked on the
edge of the crater. They're watching us. The story goes
at Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin saw multiple UFOs large crafts
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lined up like a fleet, sitting quietly near the rim
of the nearby crater. They weren't attacking, but they were
definitely watching. Armstrong allegedly shaken re refused to discuss it
publicly after the mission, So that's what you were saying
right there. NASA, of course, was never confirmed any of this,
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but audio tapes have been floated around for years. Some
of them are real, some likely fake. That hint at
the conversation cut from the official broadcast the missing two minutes.
Here's where it gets spookier. During the moon landing, they
were roughly two minutes of radio silence between the astronauts
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and mission control. NASA attributed it to a simple technical
glitch routine stuff in the nineteen sixties, but some believe
that during that blackout, Armstrong and Aldron were describing something
that wasn't part of the mission plan UFOs, hovering lights,
blinking objects in the sky. Some even say the astronauts
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took photos and footage that weren't never released to the public.
Weren't ever released to the public. But it wasn't just
Apollo eleven. Later missions also had rumors swirling around them.
Apollo fifteen astronaut James Irwin supposedly witnessed flashing lights from
orbit that didn't match any known Earth based satellites. Apollo
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sixteen captured film footage showing what looked like metallic objects
flying across the lunar horizon Gospel Ufoss. NASA chalked it
up to debris or lens flares. But if you slow
it down, it's a solid, fast moving object that doesn't
have doesn't behave like anything natural. Then there's Apollo seventeen,
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the last crude Moon mission. Some of the photos from
that trip released in later decades show odd reflections in
the astronauts visors and backgrounds that some interpret as dish
shaped craft in the distance. So what have some of
the astronauts said. Most Apollo astronauts they stay quiet and
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they stuck to the official stories, but there have been
a few strange comments over the years. Buzz Aldrin had
talked openly about seeing bright flashing objects out the window
during the Apollo eleven flight to the Moon. He said
it was probably the siv B rocket stage or another
piece of spacecraft, but admitted he he was never totally sure.
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Edgar Mitchell, who flew on the Apollo fourteen, was one
of the most vocal believers in UFOs. While he said
he didn't see anything on the Moon, he firmly believed
the US government was covering up alien contact. Then Gordon Cooper,
he was a Mercury astronaut pre Apollo. He claimed he
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saw UFOs on Earth during flight missions and believed that
NASA had footage of alien craft from space missions it
had never released. So Gordon Cooper this one, I find
him fascinating so he orbited the Earth several times. And
when he was orbiting the Earth, he did something was
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he was mapping different things on Earth and he was
marking as he was going along different areas that he
believed that were sunken ships and vessels and like you
know from like the Spanish and all this back way,
and he was marking them and he kept all those
records and then he worked with this gentleman who recovered
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you know, ships and shipwrecks and stuff like that. There
was a special that was on Discovery called Cooper's Treasure
and that guy, after Gordon Cooper had passed away, Cooper
left that the paperwork to him and he went out
following those coordinates and he found some of those ships
and they show ran for like two seasons and I
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think they canceled it. But he literally went out and
found like some of these sunken vessels that he recorded
from space. That's crazy, and that was back what in
the sixties, that had to be the sixties.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, mercurias and the sixties.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, anyways, off topic one more time.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's what we do best.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, So if astronauts really saw UFOs on the Moon,
why wouldn't Assa tell us. The theories ranged from a
mass panic to national security. Everything is national security or
we just can't handle it. You know, they didn't want
to lose control of the narrative during the Cold War.
I mean, there's a lot of different reasons. Others think
it's about reverse engineering alien tech, but they always want
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to keep it quiet. Why scientists study the footage behind
closed doors. So to this day, the idea we may
first contact on the moon continues to captivate believers and
skeptics alike, whether it's distorted audio, strange visual anomalies, or
just gut instinct that we're not alone. This story won't die.
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And I don't know. I remember I heard all these
theories about them seeing that. I've heard about that footage
before I even started researching it. And I've heard some footage.
I thought I heard him. I thought I heard that,
But I don't know if it was faked. It's so
hard now, there's so much shit.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, I don't know of the actual audio existing on
That doesn't mean it doesn't. I just remember hearing that
several times that I actually there is. I believe Neil
Armstrong did say that. I believe he did see them.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well, you've seen the interview when they come back, right
where they all look like they are just I don't know.
I don't even know how to explain it. If you
watch the interview, they're all so somber and like, where
they should be happy or whatever, they look like they're
completely depressed. Yeah, you know, I don't know. It's crazy interview,
not because you get a lot of information from them.
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It's just their reaction and the way that they react
to questions and the way they look. It's just nuts.
All right. One more, This one I've heard brought up recently,
this conspiracy theory, and it is the Van Allen radiation belt,
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which is the invisible barrier that should have cooked the
Apollo astronauts. So this one is always floated in the
background of the moon landing conspiracies. The Van Allen radiation belts,
these invisible zones of charged particles surround Earth like a
protective force field, or, as some claim, a deadly barrier
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that no human could ever survive. According to skeptics of
the Apollo mission, the fact that astronauts had to pass
through these belts and allegedly came back just fine, it's
proof that the moon landings were fake after all. If
the radiation is so intense, as scientists say, how did
they get through it without being fried like cosmic bacon.
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So we'll break it down here. What the belts are,
why people believe they're a problem, and what this has
to do with one of the most famous space conspiracies
of all time. Discovered in nineteen fifty eight by doctor
James Van Allen, these belts are made up of high
energy particles trapped by Earth's magnetic field. They come in
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two main layers, the first the inner belt full of
mostly protons, then too, the outer belt, loaded with electrons.
These regions are incredibly radioactive and their intensity changes based
on solar activity. Radiation in these belts can damage electronics,
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mess with spacecraft, and yes, pose a serious health risk
to humans if exposed exposure is too long. In short,
these belts are not to be taken lightly. Here's where
it gets juicy. Conspiracy theorists argue that the Van Allen
Belts are so dangerous no Apollo mission could have made
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it through them safely, especially not back in the nineteen sixties.
The technology and spacecraft made of thin aluminum foil and
pretty much duct tape. They point out that modern space
agencies like NASA, ESA and even SpaceX go to great
lengths to avoid prolonged exposure to these belts. Crews spacecraft
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since the Apollo era have stayed in low Earth orbit
just below the Van Allen Belt. So skeptics ask, if
radiation is too dangerous, now, how did astronauts survive multiple
round trips through it half a century ago with gear
that's laughably outdated today? And this comes up a lot.
How do they make it through that belt? Because I
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mean it is loaded with it is loaded with It's
just fucking radiation. It can cook you. But so this
is where you get get in the technical part of it.
The radiation levels and the Van Allen Belt are definitely high,
but according to NASA, the Apollo space craft travel through
the thinnest parts of the belt, so apparently it's not
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all the same. There's like areas that are thinner. I
don't know how they knew this back then. They only
discovered it in nineteen fifty eight, and they went through
them quickly though, spending only like an hour in total
inside the danger zone. NASA insists that the spacecraft's aluminum
hull and insulation provided enough shielding, and the astronaut's exposure
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was kept within safe limits less than the typical CT
scan in total. But conspiracy theorists aren't buying it. They
argue that NASA didn't have the proper shielding technology at
the time, the actual flight path and speed don't match
the claim quick to pass through, and some astronaut should
have shown radiation sickness syndromes afterwards and none dead. Some
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missions like Oriyon are still researching how to shield humans
from the belt, So why were we able to do
so in the nineteen in nineteen sixty nine. So one
of the things I believe is when they are researching this,
but they're researching it because the astronauts will be in
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it for a lot longer period of time, you know.
If you're talking about missions not to the Moon but
to Mars. I mean, this is an Earth's atmosphere, but
you have to travel through for more than an hour,
you know, And I don't know. One of the other
things I was thinking is I don't think they were
as concerned back then. No, Yeah, the mission was to
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get to the Moon. If you're gonna they're going to
risk it and send you through, you know what I mean.
And if they did have radiation sickness, they probably wouldn't
have said anything.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I doubt they would have, and NASA probably would have
viewed them as disposable.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Honestly, we had to beat the Russians there, plain and simple.
We had to get there before the Russians. So that's
why so many people thought it was fake.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
They didn't even deny that that was the motive. It
wasn't like they were playing at cool. No.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
No, we had to win. And I mean, I don't
know where I stand on the stand on that belt.
I know it's real, it's a real thing. They really
do have to pass through it, but I think that
they can't. You know, we were lead. When you go
into cat scan, you wear lead when you do X rays.
It blocks a lot of that stuff. Now, I know
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it leads heavy and they're probably not putting it in
the walls, but I mean, there's different things that they
can use to block radiation. It's not like it's can't
be blocked. So they're saying the aluminum blocked a lot
of it. I didn't know that it.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Would, but I'll explain it to you if you would
let me get the whiteboard.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I'm respiratory department used to be right up against radiology,
and I always thought they're just blasting back here. That
isn't why I'm so fucking stupid. But the radiation argument
ties directly into a larger theory that the moon landing
was staged. And we've all heard that, possibly on the
sound stage, directed by someone like I don't know, Stanley Kubrick.
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Everybody's heard that claim. According to this theory, NASA faked
the landings because the radiation was too deadly. They didn't
want to lose the space race to the Soviets, and
they knew they couldn't safely send humans that far and
bring them back. So instead of skin life some political embarrassment,
they faked the footage, presented it as real, and use
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the radiation belt issue to explain why future missions stopped
in nineteen seventy two. So I don't know the UH.
I have watched a lot of the stuff about where
they said that we fake going to the Moon.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, I've seen that too.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
And they have some damn good stuff that you're like,
did we once? Once people start pointing stuff out to
you question a lot of it. Yeah, but I believe
we went.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Oh, I don't think we faked it. And I've seen
the same stuff, the same arguments, and every time they
have an argument, there's an extremely plausible explanation of why
that discrepancy is there or whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
So right, and the number of the sheer number of
people that would have had to have been in on it.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
And kept their mouth shut for the last fifty something years.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, absolutely, So I don't know. I know that that's there,
I know that it's real, but I don't think it's
as dangerous as people now make it out to be.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
I wasn't familiar with that, honestly, I've never heard of it.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Doesn't It comes up a lot now. I know that
SpaceX is working on some stuff, and I don't know
how far it goes out from Earth because as I
was saying, as I was saying that like they have
to go through it for longer, but I mean they
probably don't, because if they were going to the Moon,
they would have been going through it the entire time.
It wouldn't have been an hour. It's a couple of
days trip to the Moon, so it obviously stops. So
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I don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Katie Perry went up recently and there's no way they
would have risked her.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
And she's an astronaut, she was up.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
There for like eight We're not risking Katie Perry.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Or Gale whatever her name is. Yeah, but anyways, those
are the conspiracies I got for this week.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
That was good. I like those. Uh, we're gonna head
over to the firepit. Guys, if you have any firepit stories,
send them in Beyond the Shadows two o seven at
gmail dot com or any of our socials. We're running
not critically low, but we're always low, always low, yep,
So we always say paranormal. You know, anything scary, funny,
just a good story you would tell your friends, family
around the fire pit. That's that's what we want to hear.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
And one thing we want to say, all of you
that have taken the time to send stuff, every one
of them that's been sent will be done. And the
fact that you guys take the time to do that,
it's just incredible. We appreciate it more. It's our favorite part.
I know it's my favorite part. I have to hear
you guys's story, and I know it's a lot of
your favorite parts because you don't have to hear me
fuck up every other word story, I can fuck up
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the words in your stories.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Also, before I forget, we always ask for show ideas.
If you guys have any. We do have several submitted.
We're not ignoring you, guys. We kind of the pipeline
the way we work. We're multiple episodes.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Out, yeah, and we try to mix them up and
move them around.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
We have heard you. We're not ignoring them. We will
get to.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Those absolutely, but if you have more, send them in
and head to the fire pit. We'll catch over there.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
So this week's firepit comes to us from Jimmy. This
is maybe his third. He's told us a couple of
good Jimmy's saws. Jimmy's one of the ogs. Yes, Marine, Hey, y'all,
here's a funny fire pit story. It might be one
of those you had to be their stories, but I'm
gonna tell it anyway. So back in nineteen ninety five,
when I was on the Marine Corps, I had just
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transferred from Okinawa, Japan to Camp Pendleton. That's where I
met my brother from another mother, David. At first, David
and I didn't like each other, but eventually we became inseparable.
I introduced him to his wife and became his kid's uncle. Ultimately,
we both discharged from the Marine Corps and went on
to our civilian jobs. I'll fast forward to twenty twelve.
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That's when both of us teamed up and started driving
over the road hauling produce. David was the more experienced
between the two of us. He had spent four years
of his childhood in Alaska and learned how to drive
on snow and ice. I'm from central California, where we
don't get that stuff. David taught me how to drive
in snow and ice and told me what to look
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for when it came to black ice living in Maine.
I know you guys know all about that nasty stuff. Well,
I drove days days and David drove nights. On one
particular winter day, I started driving in Oklahoma and we
were headed to Connecticut. It was raining that day and
kind of cold. Well, I was on I forty four
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and I had just crossed the Missouri state line when
all of a sudden, the traffic came to a crawl.
I was wondering why the traffic was going so slow
when I realized that ice was forming on my windshield.
Wipers in the back of my mirrors. That's a telltale
sign that there's black ice on the road. I remembered
that I needed to keep my momentum and to not panic.
It took me four hours to go. Excuse me, it
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took me two hours to go forty four miles to
get to a truck stop. I had finally got there safely,
and you could see that the parking lot was covered
in black ice. All this time, David was sleeping, but
when he woke up, he could tell what was going on.
This is where it gets funny. Now, David had to
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use the bathroom, so he went to get out of
the truck. He took one step down and fell to
the ground. I started to crack up, laughing. I tried
to compose myself and looked to see if he was okay.
When I looked out the passenger door, all I saw
was David lying on his back in a turtle position.
You know how turtles will kick their feet if you
lay them upside down. Well, here's David moaning, laying on
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his back, trying to figure out what the hell happened.
He finally got up, and when he get out of sight,
I was finally able to laugh my ass off. When
he came back to the truck. I was still laughing.
I'm laughing now, writing.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Dude, that's so us.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
From that day on, we called it the turtle incident,
and it would always make us laugh. Unfortunately, David passed
away in twenty twenty three. Sorry, but I will never
forget that day and all the fun we had over
the road. You guys, keep up the good work. Simplify. Uh, Yeah,
I didn't read ahead. I'm really sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, that's that's rough that they passed. But it's an awesome.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Memory, really good memory. That's a really good story.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, it really is. When I was hearing the story,
I was thinking of Amanda's story. Remember Amanda wrote us
a story. She's a trucker also, and she was coming
over the hill and somebody helped guide her over the
hill and the ice and the.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
St Yeah, there's anybody that knows about those conditions. It's
a long haul trucker.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Absolutely. Yeah. We do deal with black ice here in Maine,
for sure. I just drive. I drive in the snow
all the time. I just drive slow as hell all
the time.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
I remember I was driving in the snowstorm on the
highway once and it wasn't black ice. It was just
a fucking you know, a blizzard, and I lost control
with a car, like full on lost control. And usually
the highways are jam packed. I just got lucky that
day there was nobody around me. I spun like three
sixty like nine different times and then just bumped the
guard real slowed down right before there was if there
was a car anywhere near me, it was over. Because
(57:03):
when you lose control like that, you're.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Fucked, Oh for sure. I had a Dodge Avenger and
I was driving home from my job in Iowa, going
back to Nebraska, and I hit a pitch a patch
of black ice, and I remember that car. I was
doing like way too fast for the weather conditions, and
I was probably doing like fifty five or sixty, and
(57:25):
all of a sudden, the car was going forward. I
hit the black ice. I spun and didn't slow down.
I was going backwards, and I passed the car that
was in the breakdown land going backwards, and then the
car spun back around frontwards, did like a little fishtail
and kept going. I mean I literally went probably like
three four hundred feet backwards down the interstate, flipped back around,
(57:47):
went forward, and just kept going. Scared the piss out
of me. And that's what I was on purpose, on purpose,
I'm waving out the window. It's a out the windows.
I thank you for that story, Bud. We really appreciate it.
You've contributed a lot, and we appreciate you. Absolutely simplify
back at you. I had to look up with simple
(58:09):
five meant I had forgotten. Yeah, and it always fateful, right, yeah,
I believe yeah, yeah, which is one thing you can
always count on as a marine. All right, Bud, We
appreciate you, and we appreciate all of you. If you
guys have some stories, get them into us Beyond the
Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com and we
will catch you in the next one letter.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Guys,
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