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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
As we go Beyond the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation and
all the like are.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show. Do you know what the most fighting.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
In the world is.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
On the shuttles where you found me at You can't
see me in the deepest blacks from your heart Starbus
and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
that you wind at track Bill, the demens be where
the actions at. So this enough you want it, UFOs,
all them ghosts. We got everything that you want.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
It won't do you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Know what the thing in the world is?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hey, guys, and welcome back to episode one two Beyond
the Shadows.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Welcome back Shadow Army.
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Speaker 2 (01:37):
That was a smooth and perfect segue speaking of no ratings.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And reviews, just hop on over. So what's in the
news this week? Bum So?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
First up, we have Texas Sheriff's deputy Jennifer Escalera, who
is now under an internal affairs investigation over a since
deleted TikTok video. In the video, she seen in uniform
in her patrol car, writing on a notepad under the
caption didn't get cracked last night, so everyone is getting
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a ticket. She posted this shit herself, she did oops,
so in the video her badge number is not available,
but her name is in the public sentiment in the
Houston area, which is where she's from, is not positive
in her favor.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's not at all. As far as I'm concerned, this
should be.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I saw the video and I'm guessing a lot of
the guys she pulled over would have cracked.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, happened a cracker. But she's all busy, adam giving
them tickets, So yeah, what are you?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's a double edged sword.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It's not an expression I had heard, but I get it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, once you look it up, it's not it's not
hard to.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But I don't I mean, she's been suspended. I don't
think she should lose her job over. I think she
should be reprimanded, slapped on the ass and put back up.
Somebody needs to cracker.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
She's in Texas, but if she in Florida, most of the
duchi pulled over would already be naked, and thus they're
that much closer to cracking. Anyway, maybe she'd just switch jurisdictions, and.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know, maybe maybe maybe they're too strict in Texas.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So a man in Hangzu, China, who isn't named in
the article, had been working out of the same Ranyon
Fitness Jim for over three years when he was recently
approached by the Jim salesperson explaining that they were offering
special long term discounted rates for their most loyal members,
and he meant really fucking long term, long term. So
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it turns out the man was charged the equivalent of
one hundred and twenty one thousand US dollars for a
membership that will last him three hundred years.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Three hundred years.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But you think about the way price is going to
go up. He's getting a deal. I mean, it's one
hundred and eighty years down the road.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
He'll you're locked in for your four lives. You die
and you come back, and you have to work out
for four more lifetimes.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
When the guy was explaining it to him, you know,
he was probably thinking in dog years. You know, that's
not bad.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
One hundred and twenty one thousand.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
If I knock off the sweets, I get cracked every
now and again, I'll make it.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
It should be just about be in shape.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He doesn't say it, but I wonder if his his
relatives can at least inherit that membership. Since he you
go on for him, he's clearly getting ready across the coals.
Somebody needs to benefit. Uh. Celsius Energy Drinks recently had
to issue a massive recall due to a labeling error.
A bunch of high noon vodka Seltzer went out labeled
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as astro Vibe Sparkling Blue raz, which is non alcoholic
and could be purchased by anyone without ID. That's a
big fox.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I wonder how many kids got shitted. Yeah, right, kids
hit those Celsius hard. You can buy energy drinks with
no idea. What's ahever room. They sell them in our hospital.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, I drank it. I drank a fun Celsius and
I don't drink I don't brink Celsius. I drink a Monster.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I don't drink my energy drinks hardly at all. It's
not I just don't like the taste of them.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
If I had bought Stock and Monster ten years ago,
I would have I would have paid for my own
retirement myself single.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's bad.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
If I was on like a long, like road trip,
I would have been chugging those fuckers in like four hours,
you know, down the road on the Celsius. I would
have been like, oh my god, I'm driving so good.
I'm so dialed in the road, I can see through time.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So you're just drunk. He thinks about when we were kids.
If it had at it was Mountain Dew was a
big deal because it had Joe so much Joel, and
they advertised all the sugar and twice the caffeine. That
was their advertisement.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Joel tasted like nuclear horse piss, but it had a
lot of caffeine.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's still better than Moxie.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Moxie has no benefits to anything that a.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Lot of people out there, if you haven't listened way back,
Moxie is it's our it's a it's it's disgusting and
it's made from diesel field. We're sure it's disgusting, but
everyone who's made you're gonna try Mozzi. It's garbage. No,
you don't know. Drink whatever energy drink you got, don't
mess with much.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Drink out of a gas candie. Okay, So a zoo
in Denmark, the story is disturbing to me. Is inviting
is inviting people to donate their small pets that they
might not want anymore. It doesn't even say like injured
or terminiz just you don't want that. You just don't
want them anymore, so that they can be used for
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food for captive predators. And that's that's for real. When
I'm making that up.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Just feed your dog to a lion, you know the like, Sorry, Jacksie,
we're feeding you too. And it had to be a
small animal.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's a small but I know you. I was gonna
keep you, but you pissed on the plants.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, next time, next time you're pissing this house, I'm
taking you to the zoo.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It's a farmer John, that's brutal, that's crazy. Or you
could just put them up for adoption. Where is this
it's Denmark, doesn't say the zoo.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I don't know if in other countries dogs have beloved
the way they are here in the United States, I
don't know. I mean, I know some countries eat dogs.
In this country, your dog is like your family, like
big time. It's even more so than when we were
kids growing up.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
There was a like ten fifteen years ago where I lived,
there was the homeless guy one hundred percent. I talked
to him all the time, very nice guy, and his
dog was ten times better fed than he was. The
dog was always shining coat, real well taken care of.
You'd see the guy and you'd feel terrible, but you
saw the dog and he never felt terrible because that
dog was cared for, probably at the sacrifice of the guy.
And that's the way people. That's what you should care
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for your animals if you have them.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, dogs are definitely, I don't know, it's they're well
taken care of here in the States, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Don't donate him to a fucking to the zoo. They
could give him those like veggie burgers or.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
A little snack for the lion.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Give the lion the veggie.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It is going to be the threat to Jackson. Now
if he sucks up, he's going to We've.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Done plenty of stories on people that should be donated
to those zoos Florida.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Man could definitely go.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
To the zoo a couple of them for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
All right, Bud, is that what you got?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's all right?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What else you got for us today?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So when I went to write this week's episode, this
is a couple of weeks ago, I was thinking to myself,
what have we not done for a while?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I know what we haven't done for a while. I thought,
giants something with no mispronunciations. We have not done one
of those wheeres.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Actually we've never done that. No, yeah, cult, we haven't
done a cult in a while. We know we need
to definitely the last one. James Jonestown Jones. That was like,
I think of the episode thirty something, So.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Wow, I've spent a long time and we say it
in our intro, aren't we, yes, so we kind of
have to No, man, we don't think we forget it.
We're not going to do one. Then if it's not
in there. It's not in there.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
We didn't even say that. It's definitely not in there. Uh,
before we go, I'm gonna put a disclaimer on this one, guys.
When I started doing the research, this one is fucking dark.
So all you guys that are you know, I know
we do true crime, but if you know violence and
all that dark shit scares you off, this is one
to skip for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
All right, man, let's do it. Catch you over there,
do you know what?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Roc Terrio was born on May sixteenth, nineteen forty seven,
one of seven seven children born to parents Hyacinthe and
Piret in Sanguine, Quebec. He was brought up in a
devoutly Catholic household. He was raised in the town of Tetford, Mains,
and his childhood was a tumultuous one. From a young age.
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He would later allege that his father was extremely abusive,
an accusation that has never been confirmed nor disproven. He
developed an aversion to Catholicism from a young age. Academically,
he was noted to be extremely gifted by his teachers,
and this no doubt inflated his already growing ego. His
family all spoke Canadian French, and he decided to teach
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himself English, which he did. He would later note that
part of the reason he did this was to prove
his superiority to them. The town he came from had
no institutes for education beyond the seventh grade, so his
academics came to a screeching halt at this point. Rather
than move away to continue his education, Roc decided that
he would stay and try it try and obtain a job.
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He went through a series of odd jobs, but nothing
really seemed to stick, and he wasn't finding satisfaction in
anything that he was doing. His teenage years were largely unremarkable,
but he did develop a reputation for having a temper,
and he showed periods of marked aggression towards both family
and friends. It was also during this time that he
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developed a problem with alcohol that would grow much worse
in later years. He devoted himself to studying the Old
Testament until he knew it by heart. In nineteen sixty seven,
at the age of twenty, Rock married Francine Grenier, who
was only a year younger than he. They get along greatly,
and within the next four years they had two sons.
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Roc Sylvain and Francois. His health began to suffer as
he suffered britten poorly, but as he suffered a series
of ulcers for which he received inept medical care, they.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Get some interesting names.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah Rock uh yeah, r O C. H. And he
named his son the same Rock Sylvain.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah huh.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So he was due to the ulcers in the poor
medical care, he was in chronic pain. He developed a
good deal of woodworking skill during this time period. It
would frequently travel around Quebec to sell his woodwork. Or
that's what he's told his wife anyway, But in reality
he was just having a series of affairs. He wasn't
selling shit. His religious upbringing, he was cracking, cracking, cracking everything.
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So his religious upbringing played a direct part in the
values and principles he now upheld. His parents had been
part of the Union of Electors, also known as the
White Berets, a Catholic sect that emerged after the Great
Depression and preached that all social prophets should be redistributed
among the working class. Their views were both fascist and extremist,
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and Rock came to believe that the White Berets had
caused his family to become the neighborhood and laughing Stock.
He was fascinated with the apocalypse, and he came to
believe that there was an imminent war coming between good
and evil. As such, he converted from Catholicism to the
Seventh day Adventist Church in is early nine or his
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early twenties.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
And it's funny that for the lasts you're talking, this
is in the what.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Sixties, right, Yeah, we're in the late sixties now.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And that same thought is still today. Everybody thinks that
there's about to be an apocalypse. That is sixty something
years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Now, And I'm sure if you go win back hundreds
of years they were doing event same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The end is near, The end is near.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And it works every time. Oh yeah, it always draws
them in. Yeah, for sure, like moths to a flame
and there's draws them in.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
There's always a reason to believe it too. There's always
enough way bad out there.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
You could tweak anything going on. There's the sky. But
back you know, one hundred years ago, you're like, oh,
the fire traveling across the sky is.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
People were always like things are getting really bad out there.
If you look at it, it's certainly not that bad.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
They've always been bad, or you can view it however
you want. So when he converted, he would have to
live by their rules, and that meant modesty, which he
didn't have. No unhealthy foods, no tobacco, and most importantly,
no alcohol, and he was drunk. He proved to be
an extremely charismatic and talented preacher, and initially the church
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was thrilled with their new member. Before long, they began
to notice that all new members he brought into the
church seemed to be far more interested in worshiping Rock
himself than God. He became quite good at convincing others
to do his bidding. His newfound religious legitimacy gave him
the confidence and power to control and explode others. By
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nineteen seventy seven, he had declared himself a prophet. He
also fancied himself a homeopathic healer. He specialized in holistic
medicine and healthy living. He convinced troubled young nurse Gabrielle
la Valley to leave her position and help him start
the Healthy Living Clinic. He told others that he had
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the ability to treat and cure any in all illnesses.
Thirty eight year old Geraldine Gangnie eau Claire was being
treated for leukemia at the Quebec Hospital when her husband
became convinced that she would be much better off under
Rock's care at the clinic. Her treatment consisted of little
more than organic food and grape juice. Unsurprisingly, she died
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under his care. He was still working for the Adventists,
setting up seminars when he convinced an entire group of
people to quit their jobs in their schooling and join him,
forming a religious community. The Adventists had had enough of Rock,
and he was excommunicated by the church. By June of
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nineteen seventy eight, the Healthy Living Clinic was in trouble.
Police were highly suspicious of the death of Geraldine Oaklare
and they were scrutinizing Rock. His debt was mounting too,
as the church had cut off his supplies and his funding.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
The Seven Day Event I remember, and there was a
sect of them in Florida when I was stating down there,
the Seven Day Adventists. I hadn't heard of him until
it was in the nineties, almost two thousand I first
heard about him. I remember like there the day the
Seven Day Event. I think they went to church on
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Saturday and not Sunday. I think I'm not positive.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's one of those things I'm familiar with, but I
don't know a lot about and I'm not going to
judge him from this story. They didn't do anything. Now,
they're just connection communicated whoever. Yeah, So he decided to
move his group of followers to a remote region in
eastern Quebec, where they would build their own commune. By
now he was calling himself Moses instead of Rock. Together
they would form a community that would be free of
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all sin. The whole settlement had to be built by
the members from scratch, and they worked a day and
night doing Rock's bidding. He himself provided none of the labor,
but he noted how effectively they all worked together, like
a colony of ants, and thus he dubbed his commune
the ant Hill Kids. The commune would represent equality and unity.
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He married Giselle la Valley in nineteen seventy eight, but
the marriage existed in name only. He had sex outside
the marriage constantly, and he decreed that all marriages amongst
members outside of his own would be null and void.
All women were now married to him and were expected
to have sex with him. Whenever he wished.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
He's good to be a cult leader in everything is
just geared towards you, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
But nobody ever sniffs that out, so clearly, always geared
towards them.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, every time, man, every time.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
He gave long sermons on both religion and health, and
a lot of times from what it sounds like, he
was drunk during the sermons as well. He was. He's
preaching the anti alcohol, and he'd be he's just going
for hours and hours. But if you weren't listening, boy,
you were in trouble pretty much. But yeah, right, is
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that a bud light, No, it's a celsius. He gave
long sermons on religion and health, and he preached about
organic eating and the dangers of like it just an
alcohol and tobacco. But his broad message drew in a
wide audience. He began to preach that the end of
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the world would be coming definitively on the seventeenth of
February nineteen seventy nine. So when that date came and went,
his credibility would be shot and that would be the
end of the cult. Right, No came and went, and
he explained that there was just a difference between the
time that humans kept and the time that God kept.
And that was just the end of it. He was
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not mistaken at all, but the calculations were just slightly off.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That fucking Mayan calendar is what it was.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And but again they buy it every time nobody left.
As a result of this Pispoor prediction, his beliefs and
ideologies began to darken and shift over time. After some
parents of his young recruits tried to intervene and free
them from his teaching, Roc was ordered to be brought
to Quebec City for psychiatric evaluation. After the evaluation, the
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hospital's head of psychiatrist psychiatry declared that Roc was a
shining example of a man of God.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
A new member of the cult, Guy Veer, a recent
escapee from a mental hospital, was placed in charge of
watching all the cult's children who did not belong to.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Jesus Christ, the mental health, the mental hospital.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Mental health escape, all the kids that don't belong to Rock.
That's who he was in Georgia Wow. One night, when
Rock was hosting a party, two year old Samuel Jaguere
began crying, which upset Vere, who in turn beat the child,
putting him into a coma. Fu Roc announced that a
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circumcision would surely cure the child, so he placed him
on a kitchen table and administered alcohol. The following day,
Samuel died. Roc decided that the body needed to be
burned and buried, and ordered his members to carry it out.
He then decided that Vere would be put on trial,
with cult members providing the roles of legal counsel, judge,
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and jury. Rock remained silent throughout, but when Vere was
found not guilty by reason of insanity, Roc disagreed and
announced that he would be castrated as punishment for the incident.
Vere initially resisted this ruling, but he was eventually convinced
to go along with it. Afterwards, he felt like he
was being treated poorly by the group members and fled
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in the town where he reported the child's death. Six
members of the group ended up being arrested in connection
to the death, and all were found guilty. Rock Terrio
was sentenced to two years that's it in prison, which
he served before being released. So the guy knocked himself
out after fear knocked himself out, he did.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
After he got castrated.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Castraight, he allowed himself to be castrated, then fled and
then knocked himself, then knocked himself out.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But he served him sounds like he did a lot
of that shit backwards, but he was he couldn't though,
deserve he deserved to be fucking castrated. Yeah, this this
group is just yeah, they're nuts. Yeah, this one's this
one's bad. So Rock was released in February of nineteen
eighty four. By this point, his group had shrunk, but
he did still have a loyal following, and he decided
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to move his group yet again, deep into the woods
of Ontario. Even after being locked up for two years.
Some of those people stuck around. They didn't fucking riddle
out that this guy was. That's crazy. You think after
two years you could figure out, oh, maybe this guy
is full of shit. Dude.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Manson still has followers today.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, there's some twisted ones.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I mean some of the originals, not new ones. He's
got a few originals that are still after all these years,
still dedicated.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
There.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
How fucked up in the head do you have to be.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Especially if you've seen what he was like in prison,
you know he's totally fucking nuts. Nack. Yeah, he was
dead now, I mean dead, Yeah, I didn't mean now,
but before he died, I did know he was dead.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But yeah, oh so in the in the woods, deep
in the woods, they would be free from prying eyes,
which is that's why he brought him there. This happened
to be an English speaking region, whereas most of his
followers only spoke French, he had the advantage of speaking
both out in this extreme isolation, they would be one
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hundred percent dependent on him. But this was only one
of the methods for keeping control over the group. He
also worked them to the bone both day and night,
chopping wood, building camp, cooking food, and often stealing rations
and supplies from neighboring neighboring communities. They were too tired
to question him or be insubordinate. Just to be sure, however,
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followers were made to several all contact with their families
and members themselves were forbidden from talking at all when
Rock wasn't present. Look, if he wasn't around, they could
not talk amongst themselves, so they would be severely punter.
But he himself wasn't practicing the same strict rules he
preached to his followers. He had now resumed drinking, and
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it made him much meaner and darker. The ant Hill
kids supported themselves by selling crafts and baked goods, but
those members that didn't bring in enough money would be
severely punished. Often he would brutally punish group members for
no reason whatsoever, before then falling to his knees to
whale before God, begging forgiveness and asking God to not
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have him inflict such harsh punishment on his followers. Seeing
this would then cause his followers to not only forgive him,
but actually comfort him for having brutalized them in the
first flame. Unbelievable, what a cycle right. Punishments for minor infractions,
or often no infractions at all, included being forced to
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eat rodents, feces, being forced to sit on hot stoves,
having fingers and toes sliced off with wire cutters, and
being forced to smash in other members legs with sledgehammers.
If he decided a follower was not dedicated enough, they
would be punished, and if a follower wished to leave
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the sect altogether, they would be severely punished. They would
be hit with belt hammers hung from the ceiling, where
everybody here would be plucked one at a time and
then off, and they would be defecated on. This wasn't
only a punishment but a warning. Early on, remember, Maurice
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Grenier told her husband that she wished to leave the
con commune. Instead of helping her, he rated her out
to Rock. He told her husband to cut off one
of her toes with an axe, and if he failed
to do so, Rock himself would cut them all off.
Her husband complied, and from that day on he became
one of Rock's most trusted members.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You know this not to be How do you cut
off one fucking toe with an ax?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's what I was thinking when I read it. More
than one exact thing I thought when I read it.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
The fut toes back.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, anybody see Titanic, watched rosewing the axe. She
missed her mark by like six feet and you're even
for a single toe. Yeah, I don't know how you
cut off a single toe with an axe?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Uh, apparently the guy did it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, he's obviously a lumberjack.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So despite everything that he's done in their extreme isolation,
he still feels the need to restrict them further. He
took away all their birth names and any real sense
of identity, and he referred to them all by Bible
names instead. Members were no longer allowed to wear their
own clothing, but they were required to wear uniform tunics,
seemingly to symbolize a quality amongst all members, but it
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was almost just certainly another way to remove any individuality
amongst them. There was nothing resembling equality.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
You know what a tunic is.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh yeah, it's like a colored robe, essentially, okay, And
he also began to spy on them. As his alcoholism worsened,
his already unpredictable and violent behavior became worse. By the
mid nineteen eighties, the group membership had grown to about
forty members, so they were never a huge group, but
big enough.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, forty people to follow that crazin ascis.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And with a stuff he's the stuff he's doing. That's
a lot of victims. Free choice and sexual matters was removed.
Members were not allowed to engage in sexual contact with
one another without getting Rocks approval, but all women were
expected to have sex with him. In fact, he demanded it.
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He believed that having sex with all the females in
his group was the best way to increase the population
of the cult. He ended up impregnating nine different members
of the group, resulting in at least twenty three children
Holy Cow. Clearly, by now his charisma could no longer
cover up his horrible nature, but with members being so
incredibly isolated, they felt trapped. The contact between the cult
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and the outside world was minimal, but not unheard of.
The surrounding community was familiar with the commune in the
harsh conditions they lived under. Rock tried his best to
charm the locals, and often he did, but some were
very suspicious of his violent nature, and they wondered what
really went on behind the closed doors of the ant
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An Hill Kids Commune. On several occasions, members of the
cult were caught shoplifting in town, and on one occasion
the sentence handed down was to perform community service at
the Kinmont Fair. The children of the commune were not
immune from Rock's barbaric tacts tactics, whether they were his
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own or not. They were sexually abused, burned, and nailed
to trees, where other children were encouraged to throw rocks
at them.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
One of ROC's own children died as a result of
his barbaric behavior, but the details are somewhat murky. Some
versions say that the child's mother, Elisier Lesier la Valley,
deliberately placed her child outside during a blizzard to spare
the child from Rock's to praved behavior, but other versions
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state that it was Roc himself who placed a child
in the storm as some sort of punishment. But the
one thing we know for sure is that another child
died at his hands. He was known to roll naked
babies in the snow, hang them by their feet, and
hold them over fires until the rest of his followers
begged and pleaded for him to show them mercy.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
What the fuck.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
By nineteen eighty seven, social workers the Children's Aid Society
came in and removed all seventeen children from the commune.
As more children were born, they too were removed. Eventually,
twenty three children were placed up for adoption. But incredibly,
Roc wasn't charged with any crime in relation to the
abuse and murder of these kids at the commune. He
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was free to continue his atrocities now was on the
adults of the commune.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You know, it's they never seem to be any consequences
back then for people treating kids and shit like that.
Horribly like that.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
There never seemed to be any Oh we say it
back then, and it was a while ago. You were
still only thirty eight years ago. It's not like you're
talking like the dark aide.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Sounds like it. It sounds like forever ago. But yeah, yeah,
thirty something nears and they're just nuts, no consequences. Just
hold the baby over the fire, roll them in the snow.
Fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Half the cases the other parents were on hand, Yeah, watching,
just disgusting, horrible story. September of nineteen eighty eight, wife
Salange Bulliard made the mistake of complaining about severe pain
on the right side of her abdomen, symptoms that seem
to indicate acute appendicitis, but since she never saw a
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real doctor, we will never know. Rock had read a
few medical texts and he believed that he was qualified
to operate on her. Good God, if anyone of the
commune had issued with him performing the surgery, they didn't say, so.
She was made to undress and lay on the kitchen table,
where he proceeded to punch her in the stomach multiple times.
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He then performed an enema by forcing a tube up
her rectum and filling her up with olive oil. He
then sliced open her stomach and pulled out parts of
her intestines with his bare hands, before then telling another
group member to stitch her back up using a needle
and thread. At this point, he forced a tube down
her throat and had all the female members of the
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cult blow air down inside the tube. I don't think
there's any surprise whatsoever that Solange died from this brutality.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
The amazing part to me, beyond nobody trying to help her,
is the fact that she lingered until the following day.
She did not die immediately from the unbelievable almost certainly
suffered throughout the night.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I mean, was he trying to kill her? It sounds
like he was trying to kill.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Her call members.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It definitely sounds like he was trying to. Being the
holy being that he fancied himself, he told his followers
not to worry, she wasn't really dead because he had
the power to bring her back to life. The resurrection
consisted of him drilling a hole into her skull and
having every male member of the cult ejaculate into her skull,
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which he himself also did. Obviously, she did not come
back to life.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Dude, if they've gone this fucking far. These people are
fucking nuts. How do you follow somebody and you think
that this is It's just fucking insane. I don't get
people in colts. I don't get them at all.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
No, neither do I I think most of us wouldn't.
He then had one of her ribs removed before having
her body buried out in the woods close by the compound.
He then made the rib into a necklace, which he
wore around his neck. Her disappearance and death were not reported,
and life, if it can be called that, continued on
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at the compound. It would take the horrific experiences of
cult member Gabrielle La Valley to finally put an end
to the Anhill Kids. She was one of ROC's wives
and was subjected to numerous atrocities at his hands. She
was also the same member who had stitched up so
Launched Bullyard after her quote surgery. During her ten years
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knowing Roc, he had put a blow torch on her
genitals forcibly, removed eight of her teeth in an attempt
to cure a toothache, snapped off a hypodermic needle inside
her spine, cut off parts of her breast and smashed
in her head with the blunt side of an axe.
She had fled the commune several times, but found herself
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unable to live without it, and inevitably returned. These escapes
was met with a finger being cut off. In July
nineteen eighty nine, she was seated next to Rock at
the kitchen table when she mentioned a strange feeling in
her hand. Without warning, he stabbed her through the hand
with a hunting knife, pinning her to the table. He
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then fetched a meat cleaver, which he used to remove
her entire arm. Amazingly, she survived this incident, escaped and
escaped into the woods. When she sought medical treatment, doctors
were horrified at her condition and they contacted police. Lavalley
told authorities the whole tale of the Anthill Kids, and
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an official investigation was launched. Roc Terio went into hiding
with three other members of the cult. It took six
weeks for authorities to finally track him down and arrest it.
Prosecutors wanted him charged with first degree murder for the
death of Solange Bullyard, but the judge didn't think the
evidence available could prove premeditation.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
He could have tried, it never seemed to fuck, so.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The charge was reduced to second degree murder and he
was sentenced to life in prison. He was given an
additional twelve years for the amputation of Gabrielle la Valley's arm.
After his arrest, most of the cult members abandoned it,
but during his time in prison, he managed to father
four more kids through conjugal visits with loyal followers. In
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two thousand and two, we applied for parole and was denied.
He never applied again. In two thousand and nine, he
attempted to sell some of his artwork through an American
true crime auction house, but the sale was blocked by
the Correctional Service of Canada, which did not believe someone
convicted of such violent crimes should be able to profit
from it, which I percent agree with me too.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I thought that's how it was here too.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It is, and it definitely is.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Unless like some of the money goes to the family
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I think there's a loophole with the something like
criminal can't profit from.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Right, but others canned. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I remember back in the nineties, Guns and Roses recorded
a version of a Charles Manson song and snuck it
on one of their albums, and that caused a ruckus,
and that was basically hammered out with some sort of
agreement that Charles Manson would not receive any proceeds from
that they would go to He had.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Like a ship ton of songs too.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
He wrote a lot of stuff. He wrote a lot
of stuff, So by recording that, people were upset, but
it died down when it was.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's how man started out, right.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, that's that's basically I put himself on the map.
He was a musician and some of his stuff isn't horrible.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It's not He's not good, but no, I've heard some
people say that it's actually not that bad.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
His her voice wasn't bad. His stuff is weird, but
his voice wasn't bad. There was some talent there. But yeah,
So people were upset that Guns and Roses recorded that,
and then once they found out the money wasn't going
to go to Manson, people quieted down. I think I
think the proceeds went to.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
They didn't want Guns and making any money, but the
CIA being all wrapped up in that ship, the CIA
is all wrapped up in Manson for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, So February twenty six, twenty eleven, at Dorchester Penitentiary
in New Brunswick. Terrio cellmate Matthew McDonald walked up to
the guard station and said to the guard that piece
of shit is down on the range. Here's the knife.
I've sliced him up, and sure enough, sixty three year
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old Rock Terrio was dead. McDonald was already serving a
life sentence in prisons and the Crown did not give
him any additional time for the murder of TiO. As
far as I'm concerned, they should have given him double
desserts and next to can extra canteen for the rest.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Of his life. Yeah, no shit, no shit, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Was as the world of fuck scumfuck. And that is
the horrifying tale of the Anhill Kids.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That is nuts. How colts just are fascinating. How people
get to the point where they will follow somebody like this.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
The craziest part of the story for me, other than
the story itself, is the fact that this story is
largely unknown where we are. I asked around why I
was writing this, and nobody has heard of the ant
Hill Kids. It probably depends on where you're from. You know,
different regions of the country, right, you know. I mean
it's a Canadian story and it's on there.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Where it happens not that far from me. No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
But you know, it's the stuff that goes on in
the story when you hear it and you're like, I've
never heard of these guys. It's fucking crazy that you've
never heard of them, because this is a batshit crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, it is bad shit crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
He makes He makes Jimmy Jones sound like a you know,
big cuddly teddy bear.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
There's just so many people that knew this was happening.
Forty followers, they knew what happened, and they didn't say shit.
They let it happen. They ejaculated all over this woman's
skull who was murdered by him.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, and then their own kids were there, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
And no, that's all right. He's he's going to bring
her back. I don't fucking get it, man, I don't
get it.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
The mentality of the cults is just horrifying. The group
group think that goes on in these where everybody just
lays back and says, you know, and the leader knows best,
and we'll let somebody else speak up, and it's just
horrifying and allows everything to perpetuate.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Group psychology is really crazy too.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
It's terrifying. You don't want to get too deep into it.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, I mean what when you can be led down?
I mean, just like when I did the Stanford prison experiment,
how a person can get like the spiral fast. It
happens so quick. Yeah, that group mentality stuff, and it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's the same with like the kit Kitty Genevie's you know,
where everybody's like, oh, i'll you're familiar with that one
with us. No, there's a crime and I want to
say Manhattan where there was a shitload of witnesses and
nobody did anything about it because everybody was thinking somebody
else is going to do something about it. And it's like,
I don't know how many witnesses. I think it's been exaggerated,
but a whole shit ton of people watch the crime
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thinking somebody else will do something about it. Nobody did
anything about it. And it's that's what it's called the
Kitty Genevieve syndrome today because a lot of people will
lay back and somebody else is going to take care
of this, and yeah, somebody has to step up and
take care of but a lot of times they don't.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, that's nuts. Crazy story man, crazy story. It's dark, Yeah,
very dark. Good job with it, thanks Bud. All right, guys,
we are going to take it to the fire pit.
We will catch you over there.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I get to know you all right, guys before we
do this week's fire pit. You know the drill. We're
definitely running low one stories again. Uh. If you have them,
write them, record them, send them to us and Beyond
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the Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com, or
drop them on any of ours socials.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
All right, this one's coming close to home. This one
is from Caleb. Hello, Scott and Ryan and all you
Shadow people out there around the world. My name is
Caleb from Conquered New Hampshire, and I'm a bit late
to the party here. Been listening to the show for
about three months now and I skip around as to
what grabs my eye in the episode. List on. iHeartRadio
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and I freaking love the variety of stuff you cover.
Scary stories, hilarious, no fucking ways. We've been don one
of those in a while, very long time. Actually, yeah,
true crimes I've never heard of. It's awesome. I listen
mostly at work, and ironically, I suppose it's while working
that I had the reason in that I'm writing. I'm
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writing you our fire Pit, and while it's short, I
hope the shadow world finds it intriguing. I've been employed
with an independent cleaning contractor operating for three years, and
while we handle many accounts, i've been at Conquered Hospital.
I think it's Yepel building during my time. I think
I got that right. It was built in the late
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nineteen fifties and is only the second structure on campus
after the central building was created in nineteen fifty and
while it is three and a half floors of offices
mainly dedicated now to family planning and other things, initially
it was a nursing school. More often than not, I've
had the whole place to myself. And of course we
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clean at night while shop is closed for the day,
so it's a lot of dimly lit hallways and dark rooms.
It doesn't have a gloomy atmosphere per se. It's the
isolation that can get to you. The way it's built
is sort of neat in that there's an underground tunnel
leading from Yeepel to the main hospital's ground floor, where
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the first thing you run into is the hospital's environmental
service quarters. We are an auxiliary staff handling primary non
clinical areas, offices, et cetera. They don't have the manpower
to deal with on any given day. Many many folks
have had their yepel stories on which one I know
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of being excuse me of one of them. I know
being seeing a nurse in that old fashioned uniform with
the paper hat, and what is now the Burzaar's office.
Is that I want to get that right, burser's office
on the ground floor, a few doors opening on their own,
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noises in a room above when they know that they're
alone in the place. You know what I'm saying. Anyways,
here goes one night in January this year, I was
trashing out an office on the first floor and everything
was silent. I didn't have any earbuds in, no YouTube
going on my phone, no distractions or anything. When from
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the room across the hall, I heard distinctively what sounded
like a mop handle striking the floor. Light wood handle
contacting the concrete floor. You know the clattering sound I
know that would sound for sure. I checked it out.
I hadn't even been to the room yet, and my
mop and broom were on the cart near the doorway
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of the room I was in. There was nothing to
account for it. I didn't really ponder over it much
until it happened again the next night, and then the
next same room, and while I was in this same
room across the hall, not the exact the exact time
of night, for what that's worth, but there it was
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things that make you go hmm. I had a late
start in the building two nights later. I had the
day off over the day off that next night, and
so while I knew it wouldn't be in the exact
location until several hours later than usual, I set my
phone to record on a counter in the room, up
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against the wall so I could see where I figured
it would see something. I knew I'd be alone so
no one would fuck with it. When I checked it later,
I didn't see anything on the video aspect, but roughly
the time I would have been there. Like the other
three days, I did hear the clatter, so I'm getting
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that he set up the phone and he heard the
noise but didn't see anything. Yes to the right of
where the phone was placed, but more in the center
of the room creepy at the same damn time. The
other thing that happened I can't even wrap my head around. Honestly,
I've had a few weird things happen over my forty
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seven years, but I've never seen anything I can't explain.
The sound in the room I talk about was maybe unnerving,
but pales to what many have shared this though, huh.
I was in a different part of Yeopel in the
middle of May, again, cleaning offices, and I went into
the hall to my cart, and I saw Cliff, a
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guy of considerable tenure from operations, a maintenance crew member,
looking at me from behind a set of heavy doors,
the kind with the heavy bars across the middle you
pressed to open it, with the vertical rectangular windows on
each where they meet when it closes. No reason to
be there. I could discern just Stock still staring. I
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could see maybe two thirds of his face from his
position relative to the window in the door, and I
waved a hello and nothing. I was busy with all
of Yepel and its warrens of offices everywhere, so I
said to myself, whatever carried on, I went back to
the cart in the hall. At least five full minutes later,
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and Cliff was still there, staring from the other side
of those doors, twenty or so feet away. I'm not
gonna lie. I was creeped out, but I thought it
was Cliff, and we were chill, no problems. We weren't chatty,
but we nodded in the hallway as we passed and
were talking. Three years of that thereabouts. I waved again,
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but with an ominous what the fuck dude expression on
my face. It was an unwell feeling. He turned away
and slowly walked away and was out of view in
three or four steps from where I was. But he
didn't turn normally, like your neck turns first to orient
yourself to where your body will flow follow excuse me.
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He turned his body as one unit, like I don't
know a robot. It doesn't sound like much, but you'd
be tweaked if you saw it. People don't move like that.
But it gets worse. Cliff, just a creek. I'd take
a break five minutes or so later and head through
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that tunnel and get to those offices I mentioned. And
Cliff is in the manager's office talking to EVS shifts supervisor.
I duck my head in and say what's up, Cliff.
I mentioned how I waved and got no response, and
then how he dialed it up to eleven. At the end,
he said he hadn't been in Evil at all that night,
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and he was talking to Janice in the office for
at least fifteen minutes. From what I know of him,
he's not at all someone who's gonna intentionally be awkward
with even a friend, let alone nodding acquaintances like me.
The whole thing, however, short and trivial, left me with
an eerie feeling because I believed him when he said
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he wasn't there. Janie much later verified that he'd been
with her for at least that long, if not longer
because of a build up of projects. Not sure what
to categorize this as anyways, I hope I didn't babble
on too long. I look forward to whatever you two
hit us within the future. Great show, Oh, great story.
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K Caleb bretton yep, Caleb, that is a really cool story.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Well, because you get out, first of all, you get
a witness, so you.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Got someone backing up the fact that he wasn't was.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
A cliff a cliff. Cliff said he wasn't there but
then you get a witness that said Cliff wasn't there,
So it's not one of those stories.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Right, No, Oh, it was definitely Cliff.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
But yeah, so you've got but it wasn't Cliff in
that moment because there's somebody said he wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, that's that's I don't know whether they call it
like a mimic or a dopele gang, a doppelganger. I mean,
the mimic is something that's I've only really found.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Out about it recently.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, I think we have, But the mimic is something
I really only found out like probably a few years back.
It's way creepier than a doppelganger because there's something that's mimic.
Adoppelganger is like you coming back from the future, but
a mimic is something just like it says, mimicking you
to look like you and you know, taking on the identify.
That's way creepier, way creepier.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
The world can't handle one of me, little.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
No, they're not even trying ready, They're gonna come to someone.
They're going to get respect. If I'm gonna do a dog,
I'm going to be a dog.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
I'm gonna do somebody that might get cracked, right, not
Scott if he's tracked to what would come out.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Oh man, We appreciate the story, Caleb, and Uh. If
you guys have any stories, get him to us Beyond
the Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com. You
can write them, you can record them, you can do
whatever you want. Just get those stories to us and
we will catch you, guys in the next one letter. Guys,
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
dark tales and paranormal mysteries.
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As we go Beyond the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
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In the world is.
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On the shuttles where you found me at You can't
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and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
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Know what the thing in the world is?
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Hey, guys, and welcome back to episode one two Beyond
the Shadows.
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Speaker 2 (01:37):
That was a smooth and perfect segue speaking of no ratings.
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And reviews, just hop on over. So what's in the
news this week? Bum So?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
First up, we have Texas Sheriff's deputy Jennifer Escalera, who
is now under an internal affairs investigation over a since
deleted TikTok video. In the video, she seen in uniform
in her patrol car, writing on a notepad under the
caption didn't get cracked last night, so everyone is getting
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a ticket. She posted this shit herself, she did oops,
so in the video her badge number is not available,
but her name is in the public sentiment in the
Houston area, which is where she's from, is not positive
in her favor.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's not at all. As far as I'm concerned, this
should be.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I saw the video and I'm guessing a lot of
the guys she pulled over would have cracked.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, happened a cracker. But she's all busy, adam giving
them tickets, So yeah, what are you?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's a double edged sword.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It's not an expression I had heard, but I get it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, once you look it up, it's not it's not
hard to.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But I don't I mean, she's been suspended. I don't
think she should lose her job over. I think she
should be reprimanded, slapped on the ass and put back up.
Somebody needs to cracker.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
She's in Texas, but if she in Florida, most of the
duchi pulled over would already be naked, and thus they're
that much closer to cracking. Anyway, maybe she'd just switch jurisdictions, and.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know, maybe maybe maybe they're too strict in Texas.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So a man in Hangzu, China, who isn't named in
the article, had been working out of the same Ranyon
Fitness Jim for over three years when he was recently
approached by the Jim salesperson explaining that they were offering
special long term discounted rates for their most loyal members,
and he meant really fucking long term, long term. So
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it turns out the man was charged the equivalent of
one hundred and twenty one thousand US dollars for a
membership that will last him three hundred years.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Three hundred years.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But you think about the way price is going to
go up. He's getting a deal. I mean, it's one
hundred and eighty years down the road.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
He'll you're locked in for your four lives. You die
and you come back, and you have to work out
for four more lifetimes.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
When the guy was explaining it to him, you know,
he was probably thinking in dog years. You know, that's
not bad.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
One hundred and twenty one thousand.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
If I knock off the sweets, I get cracked every
now and again, I'll make it.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
It should be just about be in shape.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
He doesn't say it, but I wonder if his his
relatives can at least inherit that membership. Since he you
go on for him, he's clearly getting ready across the coals.
Somebody needs to benefit. Uh. Celsius Energy Drinks recently had
to issue a massive recall due to a labeling error.
A bunch of high noon vodka Seltzer went out labeled
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as astro Vibe Sparkling Blue raz, which is non alcoholic
and could be purchased by anyone without ID. That's a
big fox.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I wonder how many kids got shitted. Yeah, right, kids
hit those Celsius hard. You can buy energy drinks with
no idea. What's ahever room. They sell them in our hospital.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, I drank it. I drank a fun Celsius and
I don't drink I don't brink Celsius. I drink a Monster.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I don't drink my energy drinks hardly at all. It's
not I just don't like the taste of them.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
If I had bought Stock and Monster ten years ago,
I would have I would have paid for my own
retirement myself single.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's bad.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
If I was on like a long, like road trip,
I would have been chugging those fuckers in like four hours,
you know, down the road on the Celsius. I would
have been like, oh my god, I'm driving so good.
I'm so dialed in the road, I can see through time.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So you're just drunk. He thinks about when we were kids.
If it had at it was Mountain Dew was a
big deal because it had Joe so much Joel, and
they advertised all the sugar and twice the caffeine. That
was their advertisement.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Joel tasted like nuclear horse piss, but it had a
lot of caffeine.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's still better than Moxie.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Moxie has no benefits to anything that a.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Lot of people out there, if you haven't listened way back,
Moxie is it's our it's a it's it's disgusting and
it's made from diesel field. We're sure it's disgusting, but
everyone who's made you're gonna try Mozzi. It's garbage. No,
you don't know. Drink whatever energy drink you got, don't
mess with much.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Drink out of a gas candie. Okay, So a zoo
in Denmark, the story is disturbing to me. Is inviting
is inviting people to donate their small pets that they
might not want anymore. It doesn't even say like injured
or terminiz just you don't want that. You just don't
want them anymore, so that they can be used for
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food for captive predators. And that's that's for real. When
I'm making that up.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Just feed your dog to a lion, you know the like, Sorry, Jacksie,
we're feeding you too. And it had to be a
small animal.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's a small but I know you. I was gonna
keep you, but you pissed on the plants.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, next time, next time you're pissing this house, I'm
taking you to the zoo.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It's a farmer John, that's brutal, that's crazy. Or you
could just put them up for adoption. Where is this
it's Denmark, doesn't say the zoo.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I don't know if in other countries dogs have beloved
the way they are here in the United States, I
don't know. I mean, I know some countries eat dogs.
In this country, your dog is like your family, like
big time. It's even more so than when we were
kids growing up.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
There was a like ten fifteen years ago where I lived,
there was the homeless guy one hundred percent. I talked
to him all the time, very nice guy, and his
dog was ten times better fed than he was. The
dog was always shining coat, real well taken care of.
You'd see the guy and you'd feel terrible, but you
saw the dog and he never felt terrible because that
dog was cared for, probably at the sacrifice of the guy.
And that's the way people. That's what you should care
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for your animals if you have them.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, dogs are definitely, I don't know, it's they're well
taken care of here in the States, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Don't donate him to a fucking to the zoo. They
could give him those like veggie burgers or.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
A little snack for the lion.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Give the lion the veggie.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It is going to be the threat to Jackson. Now
if he sucks up, he's going to We've.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Done plenty of stories on people that should be donated
to those zoos Florida.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Man could definitely go.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
To the zoo a couple of them for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
All right, Bud, is that what you got?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's all right?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What else you got for us today?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So when I went to write this week's episode, this
is a couple of weeks ago, I was thinking to myself,
what have we not done for a while?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I know what we haven't done for a while. I thought,
giants something with no mispronunciations. We have not done one
of those wheeres.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Actually we've never done that. No, yeah, cult, we haven't
done a cult in a while. We know we need
to definitely the last one. James Jonestown Jones. That was like,
I think of the episode thirty something, So.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Wow, I've spent a long time and we say it
in our intro, aren't we, yes, so we kind of
have to No, man, we don't think we forget it.
We're not going to do one. Then if it's not
in there. It's not in there.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
We didn't even say that. It's definitely not in there. Uh,
before we go, I'm gonna put a disclaimer on this one, guys.
When I started doing the research, this one is fucking dark.
So all you guys that are you know, I know
we do true crime, but if you know violence and
all that dark shit scares you off, this is one
to skip for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
All right, man, let's do it. Catch you over there,
do you know what?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Roc Terrio was born on May sixteenth, nineteen forty seven,
one of seven seven children born to parents Hyacinthe and
Piret in Sanguine, Quebec. He was brought up in a
devoutly Catholic household. He was raised in the town of Tetford, Mains,
and his childhood was a tumultuous one. From a young age.
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He would later allege that his father was extremely abusive,
an accusation that has never been confirmed nor disproven. He
developed an aversion to Catholicism from a young age. Academically,
he was noted to be extremely gifted by his teachers,
and this no doubt inflated his already growing ego. His
family all spoke Canadian French, and he decided to teach
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himself English, which he did. He would later note that
part of the reason he did this was to prove
his superiority to them. The town he came from had
no institutes for education beyond the seventh grade, so his
academics came to a screeching halt at this point. Rather
than move away to continue his education, Roc decided that
he would stay and try it try and obtain a job.
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He went through a series of odd jobs, but nothing
really seemed to stick, and he wasn't finding satisfaction in
anything that he was doing. His teenage years were largely unremarkable,
but he did develop a reputation for having a temper,
and he showed periods of marked aggression towards both family
and friends. It was also during this time that he
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developed a problem with alcohol that would grow much worse
in later years. He devoted himself to studying the Old
Testament until he knew it by heart. In nineteen sixty seven,
at the age of twenty, Rock married Francine Grenier, who
was only a year younger than he. They get along greatly,
and within the next four years they had two sons.
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Roc Sylvain and Francois. His health began to suffer as
he suffered britten poorly, but as he suffered a series
of ulcers for which he received inept medical care, they.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Get some interesting names.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah Rock uh yeah, r O C. H. And he
named his son the same Rock Sylvain.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah huh.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So he was due to the ulcers in the poor
medical care, he was in chronic pain. He developed a
good deal of woodworking skill during this time period. It
would frequently travel around Quebec to sell his woodwork. Or
that's what he's told his wife anyway, But in reality
he was just having a series of affairs. He wasn't
selling shit. His religious upbringing, he was cracking, cracking, cracking everything.
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So his religious upbringing played a direct part in the
values and principles he now upheld. His parents had been
part of the Union of Electors, also known as the
White Berets, a Catholic sect that emerged after the Great
Depression and preached that all social prophets should be redistributed
among the working class. Their views were both fascist and extremist,
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and Rock came to believe that the White Berets had
caused his family to become the neighborhood and laughing Stock.
He was fascinated with the apocalypse, and he came to
believe that there was an imminent war coming between good
and evil. As such, he converted from Catholicism to the
Seventh day Adventist Church in is early nine or his
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early twenties.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
And it's funny that for the lasts you're talking, this
is in the what.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Sixties, right, Yeah, we're in the late sixties now.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And that same thought is still today. Everybody thinks that
there's about to be an apocalypse. That is sixty something
years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Now, And I'm sure if you go win back hundreds
of years they were doing event same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The end is near, The end is near.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And it works every time. Oh yeah, it always draws
them in. Yeah, for sure, like moths to a flame
and there's draws them in.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
There's always a reason to believe it too. There's always
enough way bad out there.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
You could tweak anything going on. There's the sky. But
back you know, one hundred years ago, you're like, oh,
the fire traveling across the sky is.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
People were always like things are getting really bad out there.
If you look at it, it's certainly not that bad.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
They've always been bad, or you can view it however
you want. So when he converted, he would have to
live by their rules, and that meant modesty, which he
didn't have. No unhealthy foods, no tobacco, and most importantly,
no alcohol, and he was drunk. He proved to be
an extremely charismatic and talented preacher, and initially the church
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was thrilled with their new member. Before long, they began
to notice that all new members he brought into the
church seemed to be far more interested in worshiping Rock
himself than God. He became quite good at convincing others
to do his bidding. His newfound religious legitimacy gave him
the confidence and power to control and explode others. By
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nineteen seventy seven, he had declared himself a prophet. He
also fancied himself a homeopathic healer. He specialized in holistic
medicine and healthy living. He convinced troubled young nurse Gabrielle
la Valley to leave her position and help him start
the Healthy Living Clinic. He told others that he had
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the ability to treat and cure any in all illnesses.
Thirty eight year old Geraldine Gangnie eau Claire was being
treated for leukemia at the Quebec Hospital when her husband
became convinced that she would be much better off under
Rock's care at the clinic. Her treatment consisted of little
more than organic food and grape juice. Unsurprisingly, she died
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under his care. He was still working for the Adventists,
setting up seminars when he convinced an entire group of
people to quit their jobs in their schooling and join him,
forming a religious community. The Adventists had had enough of Rock,
and he was excommunicated by the church. By June of
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nineteen seventy eight, the Healthy Living Clinic was in trouble.
Police were highly suspicious of the death of Geraldine Oaklare
and they were scrutinizing Rock. His debt was mounting too,
as the church had cut off his supplies and his funding.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
The Seven Day Event I remember, and there was a
sect of them in Florida when I was stating down there,
the Seven Day Adventists. I hadn't heard of him until
it was in the nineties, almost two thousand I first
heard about him. I remember like there the day the
Seven Day Event. I think they went to church on
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Saturday and not Sunday. I think I'm not positive.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's one of those things I'm familiar with, but I
don't know a lot about and I'm not going to
judge him from this story. They didn't do anything. Now,
they're just connection communicated whoever. Yeah, So he decided to
move his group of followers to a remote region in
eastern Quebec, where they would build their own commune. By
now he was calling himself Moses instead of Rock. Together
they would form a community that would be free of
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all sin. The whole settlement had to be built by
the members from scratch, and they worked a day and
night doing Rock's bidding. He himself provided none of the labor,
but he noted how effectively they all worked together, like
a colony of ants, and thus he dubbed his commune
the ant Hill Kids. The commune would represent equality and unity.
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He married Giselle la Valley in nineteen seventy eight, but
the marriage existed in name only. He had sex outside
the marriage constantly, and he decreed that all marriages amongst
members outside of his own would be null and void.
All women were now married to him and were expected
to have sex with him. Whenever he wished.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
He's good to be a cult leader in everything is
just geared towards you, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
But nobody ever sniffs that out, so clearly, always geared
towards them.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, every time, man, every time.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
He gave long sermons on both religion and health, and
a lot of times from what it sounds like, he
was drunk during the sermons as well. He was. He's
preaching the anti alcohol, and he'd be he's just going
for hours and hours. But if you weren't listening, boy,
you were in trouble pretty much. But yeah, right, is
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that a bud light, No, it's a celsius. He gave
long sermons on religion and health, and he preached about
organic eating and the dangers of like it just an
alcohol and tobacco. But his broad message drew in a
wide audience. He began to preach that the end of
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the world would be coming definitively on the seventeenth of
February nineteen seventy nine. So when that date came and went,
his credibility would be shot and that would be the
end of the cult. Right, No came and went, and
he explained that there was just a difference between the
time that humans kept and the time that God kept.
And that was just the end of it. He was
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not mistaken at all, but the calculations were just slightly off.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That fucking Mayan calendar is what it was.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And but again they buy it every time nobody left.
As a result of this Pispoor prediction, his beliefs and
ideologies began to darken and shift over time. After some
parents of his young recruits tried to intervene and free
them from his teaching, Roc was ordered to be brought
to Quebec City for psychiatric evaluation. After the evaluation, the
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hospital's head of psychiatrist psychiatry declared that Roc was a
shining example of a man of God.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
A new member of the cult, Guy Veer, a recent
escapee from a mental hospital, was placed in charge of
watching all the cult's children who did not belong to.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Jesus Christ, the mental health, the mental hospital.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Mental health escape, all the kids that don't belong to Rock.
That's who he was in Georgia Wow. One night, when
Rock was hosting a party, two year old Samuel Jaguere
began crying, which upset Vere, who in turn beat the child,
putting him into a coma. Fu Roc announced that a
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circumcision would surely cure the child, so he placed him
on a kitchen table and administered alcohol. The following day,
Samuel died. Roc decided that the body needed to be
burned and buried, and ordered his members to carry it out.
He then decided that Vere would be put on trial,
with cult members providing the roles of legal counsel, judge,
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and jury. Rock remained silent throughout, but when Vere was
found not guilty by reason of insanity, Roc disagreed and
announced that he would be castrated as punishment for the incident.
Vere initially resisted this ruling, but he was eventually convinced
to go along with it. Afterwards, he felt like he
was being treated poorly by the group members and fled
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in the town where he reported the child's death. Six
members of the group ended up being arrested in connection
to the death, and all were found guilty. Rock Terrio
was sentenced to two years that's it in prison, which
he served before being released. So the guy knocked himself
out after fear knocked himself out, he did.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
After he got castrated.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Castraight, he allowed himself to be castrated, then fled and
then knocked himself, then knocked himself out.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But he served him sounds like he did a lot
of that shit backwards, but he was he couldn't though,
deserve he deserved to be fucking castrated. Yeah, this this
group is just yeah, they're nuts. Yeah, this one's this
one's bad. So Rock was released in February of nineteen
eighty four. By this point, his group had shrunk, but
he did still have a loyal following, and he decided
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to move his group yet again, deep into the woods
of Ontario. Even after being locked up for two years.
Some of those people stuck around. They didn't fucking riddle
out that this guy was. That's crazy. You think after
two years you could figure out, oh, maybe this guy
is full of shit. Dude.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Manson still has followers today.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, there's some twisted ones.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I mean some of the originals, not new ones. He's
got a few originals that are still after all these years,
still dedicated.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
There.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
How fucked up in the head do you have to be.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Especially if you've seen what he was like in prison,
you know he's totally fucking nuts. Nack. Yeah, he was
dead now, I mean dead, Yeah, I didn't mean now,
but before he died, I did know he was dead.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But yeah, oh so in the in the woods, deep
in the woods, they would be free from prying eyes,
which is that's why he brought him there. This happened
to be an English speaking region, whereas most of his
followers only spoke French, he had the advantage of speaking
both out in this extreme isolation, they would be one
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hundred percent dependent on him. But this was only one
of the methods for keeping control over the group. He
also worked them to the bone both day and night,
chopping wood, building camp, cooking food, and often stealing rations
and supplies from neighboring neighboring communities. They were too tired
to question him or be insubordinate. Just to be sure, however,
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followers were made to several all contact with their families
and members themselves were forbidden from talking at all when
Rock wasn't present. Look, if he wasn't around, they could
not talk amongst themselves, so they would be severely punter.
But he himself wasn't practicing the same strict rules he
preached to his followers. He had now resumed drinking, and
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it made him much meaner and darker. The ant Hill
kids supported themselves by selling crafts and baked goods, but
those members that didn't bring in enough money would be
severely punished. Often he would brutally punish group members for
no reason whatsoever, before then falling to his knees to
whale before God, begging forgiveness and asking God to not
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have him inflict such harsh punishment on his followers. Seeing
this would then cause his followers to not only forgive him,
but actually comfort him for having brutalized them in the
first flame. Unbelievable, what a cycle right. Punishments for minor infractions,
or often no infractions at all, included being forced to
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eat rodents, feces, being forced to sit on hot stoves,
having fingers and toes sliced off with wire cutters, and
being forced to smash in other members legs with sledgehammers.
If he decided a follower was not dedicated enough, they
would be punished, and if a follower wished to leave
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the sect altogether, they would be severely punished. They would
be hit with belt hammers hung from the ceiling, where
everybody here would be plucked one at a time and
then off, and they would be defecated on. This wasn't
only a punishment but a warning. Early on, remember, Maurice
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Grenier told her husband that she wished to leave the
con commune. Instead of helping her, he rated her out
to Rock. He told her husband to cut off one
of her toes with an axe, and if he failed
to do so, Rock himself would cut them all off.
Her husband complied, and from that day on he became
one of Rock's most trusted members.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You know this not to be How do you cut
off one fucking toe with an ax?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's what I was thinking when I read it. More
than one exact thing I thought when I read it.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
The fut toes back.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, anybody see Titanic, watched rosewing the axe. She
missed her mark by like six feet and you're even
for a single toe. Yeah, I don't know how you
cut off a single toe with an axe?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Uh, apparently the guy did it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, he's obviously a lumberjack.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So despite everything that he's done in their extreme isolation,
he still feels the need to restrict them further. He
took away all their birth names and any real sense
of identity, and he referred to them all by Bible
names instead. Members were no longer allowed to wear their
own clothing, but they were required to wear uniform tunics,
seemingly to symbolize a quality amongst all members, but it
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was almost just certainly another way to remove any individuality
amongst them. There was nothing resembling equality.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
You know what a tunic is.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh yeah, it's like a colored robe, essentially, okay, And
he also began to spy on them. As his alcoholism worsened,
his already unpredictable and violent behavior became worse. By the
mid nineteen eighties, the group membership had grown to about
forty members, so they were never a huge group, but
big enough.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, forty people to follow that crazin ascis.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And with a stuff he's the stuff he's doing. That's
a lot of victims. Free choice and sexual matters was removed.
Members were not allowed to engage in sexual contact with
one another without getting Rocks approval, but all women were
expected to have sex with him. In fact, he demanded it.
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He believed that having sex with all the females in
his group was the best way to increase the population
of the cult. He ended up impregnating nine different members
of the group, resulting in at least twenty three children
Holy Cow. Clearly, by now his charisma could no longer
cover up his horrible nature, but with members being so
incredibly isolated, they felt trapped. The contact between the cult
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and the outside world was minimal, but not unheard of.
The surrounding community was familiar with the commune in the
harsh conditions they lived under. Rock tried his best to
charm the locals, and often he did, but some were
very suspicious of his violent nature, and they wondered what
really went on behind the closed doors of the ant
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An Hill Kids Commune. On several occasions, members of the
cult were caught shoplifting in town, and on one occasion
the sentence handed down was to perform community service at
the Kinmont Fair. The children of the commune were not
immune from Rock's barbaric tacts tactics, whether they were his
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own or not. They were sexually abused, burned, and nailed
to trees, where other children were encouraged to throw rocks
at them.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
One of ROC's own children died as a result of
his barbaric behavior, but the details are somewhat murky. Some
versions say that the child's mother, Elisier Lesier la Valley,
deliberately placed her child outside during a blizzard to spare
the child from Rock's to praved behavior, but other versions
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state that it was Roc himself who placed a child
in the storm as some sort of punishment. But the
one thing we know for sure is that another child
died at his hands. He was known to roll naked
babies in the snow, hang them by their feet, and
hold them over fires until the rest of his followers
begged and pleaded for him to show them mercy.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
What the fuck.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
By nineteen eighty seven, social workers the Children's Aid Society
came in and removed all seventeen children from the commune.
As more children were born, they too were removed. Eventually,
twenty three children were placed up for adoption. But incredibly,
Roc wasn't charged with any crime in relation to the
abuse and murder of these kids at the commune. He
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was free to continue his atrocities now was on the
adults of the commune.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You know, it's they never seem to be any consequences
back then for people treating kids and shit like that.
Horribly like that.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
There never seemed to be any Oh we say it
back then, and it was a while ago. You were
still only thirty eight years ago. It's not like you're
talking like the dark aide.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Sounds like it. It sounds like forever ago. But yeah, yeah,
thirty something nears and they're just nuts, no consequences. Just
hold the baby over the fire, roll them in the snow.
Fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Half the cases the other parents were on hand, Yeah, watching,
just disgusting, horrible story. September of nineteen eighty eight, wife
Salange Bulliard made the mistake of complaining about severe pain
on the right side of her abdomen, symptoms that seem
to indicate acute appendicitis, but since she never saw a
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real doctor, we will never know. Rock had read a
few medical texts and he believed that he was qualified
to operate on her. Good God, if anyone of the
commune had issued with him performing the surgery, they didn't say, so.
She was made to undress and lay on the kitchen table,
where he proceeded to punch her in the stomach multiple times.
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He then performed an enema by forcing a tube up
her rectum and filling her up with olive oil. He
then sliced open her stomach and pulled out parts of
her intestines with his bare hands, before then telling another
group member to stitch her back up using a needle
and thread. At this point, he forced a tube down
her throat and had all the female members of the
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cult blow air down inside the tube. I don't think
there's any surprise whatsoever that Solange died from this brutality.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
The amazing part to me, beyond nobody trying to help her,
is the fact that she lingered until the following day.
She did not die immediately from the unbelievable almost certainly
suffered throughout the night.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I mean, was he trying to kill her? It sounds
like he was trying to kill.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Her call members.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It definitely sounds like he was trying to. Being the
holy being that he fancied himself, he told his followers
not to worry, she wasn't really dead because he had
the power to bring her back to life. The resurrection
consisted of him drilling a hole into her skull and
having every male member of the cult ejaculate into her skull,
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which he himself also did. Obviously, she did not come
back to life.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Dude, if they've gone this fucking far. These people are
fucking nuts. How do you follow somebody and you think
that this is It's just fucking insane. I don't get
people in colts. I don't get them at all.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
No, neither do I I think most of us wouldn't.
He then had one of her ribs removed before having
her body buried out in the woods close by the compound.
He then made the rib into a necklace, which he
wore around his neck. Her disappearance and death were not reported,
and life, if it can be called that, continued on
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at the compound. It would take the horrific experiences of
cult member Gabrielle La Valley to finally put an end
to the Anhill Kids. She was one of ROC's wives
and was subjected to numerous atrocities at his hands. She
was also the same member who had stitched up so
Launched Bullyard after her quote surgery. During her ten years
(33:33):
knowing Roc, he had put a blow torch on her
genitals forcibly, removed eight of her teeth in an attempt
to cure a toothache, snapped off a hypodermic needle inside
her spine, cut off parts of her breast and smashed
in her head with the blunt side of an axe.
She had fled the commune several times, but found herself
(33:55):
unable to live without it, and inevitably returned. These escapes
was met with a finger being cut off. In July
nineteen eighty nine, she was seated next to Rock at
the kitchen table when she mentioned a strange feeling in
her hand. Without warning, he stabbed her through the hand
with a hunting knife, pinning her to the table. He
(34:16):
then fetched a meat cleaver, which he used to remove
her entire arm. Amazingly, she survived this incident, escaped and
escaped into the woods. When she sought medical treatment, doctors
were horrified at her condition and they contacted police. Lavalley
told authorities the whole tale of the Anthill Kids, and
(34:38):
an official investigation was launched. Roc Terio went into hiding
with three other members of the cult. It took six
weeks for authorities to finally track him down and arrest it.
Prosecutors wanted him charged with first degree murder for the
death of Solange Bullyard, but the judge didn't think the
evidence available could prove premeditation.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
He could have tried, it never seemed to fuck, so.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The charge was reduced to second degree murder and he
was sentenced to life in prison. He was given an
additional twelve years for the amputation of Gabrielle la Valley's arm.
After his arrest, most of the cult members abandoned it,
but during his time in prison, he managed to father
four more kids through conjugal visits with loyal followers. In
(35:28):
two thousand and two, we applied for parole and was denied.
He never applied again. In two thousand and nine, he
attempted to sell some of his artwork through an American
true crime auction house, but the sale was blocked by
the Correctional Service of Canada, which did not believe someone
convicted of such violent crimes should be able to profit
from it, which I percent agree with me too.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I thought that's how it was here too.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It is, and it definitely is.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Unless like some of the money goes to the family
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, I think there's a loophole with the something like
criminal can't profit from.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Right, but others canned. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I remember back in the nineties, Guns and Roses recorded
a version of a Charles Manson song and snuck it
on one of their albums, and that caused a ruckus,
and that was basically hammered out with some sort of
agreement that Charles Manson would not receive any proceeds from
that they would go to He had.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Like a ship ton of songs too.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
He wrote a lot of stuff. He wrote a lot
of stuff, So by recording that, people were upset, but
it died down when it was.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's how man started out, right.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, that's that's basically I put himself on the map.
He was a musician and some of his stuff isn't horrible.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It's not He's not good, but no, I've heard some
people say that it's actually not that bad.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
His her voice wasn't bad. His stuff is weird, but
his voice wasn't bad. There was some talent there. But yeah,
So people were upset that Guns and Roses recorded that,
and then once they found out the money wasn't going
to go to Manson, people quieted down. I think I
think the proceeds went to.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
They didn't want Guns and making any money, but the
CIA being all wrapped up in that ship, the CIA
is all wrapped up in Manson for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, So February twenty six, twenty eleven, at Dorchester Penitentiary
in New Brunswick. Terrio cellmate Matthew McDonald walked up to
the guard station and said to the guard that piece
of shit is down on the range. Here's the knife.
I've sliced him up, and sure enough, sixty three year
(37:25):
old Rock Terrio was dead. McDonald was already serving a
life sentence in prisons and the Crown did not give
him any additional time for the murder of TiO. As
far as I'm concerned, they should have given him double
desserts and next to can extra canteen for the rest.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Of his life. Yeah, no shit, no shit, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Was as the world of fuck scumfuck. And that is
the horrifying tale of the Anhill Kids.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That is nuts. How colts just are fascinating. How people
get to the point where they will follow somebody like this.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
The craziest part of the story for me, other than
the story itself, is the fact that this story is
largely unknown where we are. I asked around why I
was writing this, and nobody has heard of the ant
Hill Kids. It probably depends on where you're from. You know,
different regions of the country, right, you know. I mean
it's a Canadian story and it's on there.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Where it happens not that far from me. No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
But you know, it's the stuff that goes on in
the story when you hear it and you're like, I've
never heard of these guys. It's fucking crazy that you've
never heard of them, because this is a batshit crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, it is bad shit crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
He makes He makes Jimmy Jones sound like a you know,
big cuddly teddy bear.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
There's just so many people that knew this was happening.
Forty followers, they knew what happened, and they didn't say shit.
They let it happen. They ejaculated all over this woman's
skull who was murdered by him.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, and then their own kids were there, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
And no, that's all right. He's he's going to bring
her back. I don't fucking get it, man, I don't
get it.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
The mentality of the cults is just horrifying. The group
group think that goes on in these where everybody just
lays back and says, you know, and the leader knows best,
and we'll let somebody else speak up, and it's just
horrifying and allows everything to perpetuate.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Group psychology is really crazy too.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
It's terrifying. You don't want to get too deep into it.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, I mean what when you can be led down?
I mean, just like when I did the Stanford prison experiment,
how a person can get like the spiral fast. It
happens so quick. Yeah, that group mentality stuff, and it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's the same with like the kit Kitty Genevie's you know,
where everybody's like, oh, i'll you're familiar with that one
with us. No, there's a crime and I want to
say Manhattan where there was a shitload of witnesses and
nobody did anything about it because everybody was thinking somebody
else is going to do something about it. And it's like,
I don't know how many witnesses. I think it's been exaggerated,
but a whole shit ton of people watch the crime
(39:45):
thinking somebody else will do something about it. Nobody did
anything about it. And it's that's what it's called the
Kitty Genevieve syndrome today because a lot of people will
lay back and somebody else is going to take care
of this, and yeah, somebody has to step up and
take care of but a lot of times they don't.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, that's nuts. Crazy story man, crazy story. It's dark, Yeah,
very dark. Good job with it, thanks Bud. All right, guys,
we are going to take it to the fire pit.
We will catch you over there.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I get to know you all right, guys before we
do this week's fire pit. You know the drill. We're
definitely running low one stories again. Uh. If you have them,
write them, record them, send them to us and Beyond
(40:37):
the Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com, or
drop them on any of ours socials.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
All right, this one's coming close to home. This one
is from Caleb. Hello, Scott and Ryan and all you
Shadow people out there around the world. My name is
Caleb from Conquered New Hampshire, and I'm a bit late
to the party here. Been listening to the show for
about three months now and I skip around as to
what grabs my eye in the episode. List on. iHeartRadio
(41:06):
and I freaking love the variety of stuff you cover.
Scary stories, hilarious, no fucking ways. We've been don one
of those in a while, very long time. Actually, yeah,
true crimes I've never heard of. It's awesome. I listen
mostly at work, and ironically, I suppose it's while working
that I had the reason in that I'm writing. I'm
(41:26):
writing you our fire Pit, and while it's short, I
hope the shadow world finds it intriguing. I've been employed
with an independent cleaning contractor operating for three years, and
while we handle many accounts, i've been at Conquered Hospital.
I think it's Yepel building during my time. I think
I got that right. It was built in the late
(41:47):
nineteen fifties and is only the second structure on campus
after the central building was created in nineteen fifty and
while it is three and a half floors of offices
mainly dedicated now to family planning and other things, initially
it was a nursing school. More often than not, I've
had the whole place to myself. And of course we
(42:09):
clean at night while shop is closed for the day,
so it's a lot of dimly lit hallways and dark rooms.
It doesn't have a gloomy atmosphere per se. It's the
isolation that can get to you. The way it's built
is sort of neat in that there's an underground tunnel
leading from Yeepel to the main hospital's ground floor, where
(42:31):
the first thing you run into is the hospital's environmental
service quarters. We are an auxiliary staff handling primary non
clinical areas, offices, et cetera. They don't have the manpower
to deal with on any given day. Many many folks
have had their yepel stories on which one I know
(42:54):
of being excuse me of one of them. I know
being seeing a nurse in that old fashioned uniform with
the paper hat, and what is now the Burzaar's office.
Is that I want to get that right, burser's office
on the ground floor, a few doors opening on their own,
(43:15):
noises in a room above when they know that they're
alone in the place. You know what I'm saying. Anyways,
here goes one night in January this year, I was
trashing out an office on the first floor and everything
was silent. I didn't have any earbuds in, no YouTube
going on my phone, no distractions or anything. When from
(43:35):
the room across the hall, I heard distinctively what sounded
like a mop handle striking the floor. Light wood handle
contacting the concrete floor. You know the clattering sound I
know that would sound for sure. I checked it out.
I hadn't even been to the room yet, and my
mop and broom were on the cart near the doorway
(43:57):
of the room I was in. There was nothing to
account for it. I didn't really ponder over it much
until it happened again the next night, and then the
next same room, and while I was in this same
room across the hall, not the exact the exact time
of night, for what that's worth, but there it was
(44:18):
things that make you go hmm. I had a late
start in the building two nights later. I had the
day off over the day off that next night, and
so while I knew it wouldn't be in the exact
location until several hours later than usual, I set my
phone to record on a counter in the room, up
(44:38):
against the wall so I could see where I figured
it would see something. I knew I'd be alone so
no one would fuck with it. When I checked it later,
I didn't see anything on the video aspect, but roughly
the time I would have been there. Like the other
three days, I did hear the clatter, so I'm getting
(45:01):
that he set up the phone and he heard the
noise but didn't see anything. Yes to the right of
where the phone was placed, but more in the center
of the room creepy at the same damn time. The
other thing that happened I can't even wrap my head around. Honestly,
I've had a few weird things happen over my forty
(45:22):
seven years, but I've never seen anything I can't explain.
The sound in the room I talk about was maybe unnerving,
but pales to what many have shared this though, huh.
I was in a different part of Yeopel in the
middle of May, again, cleaning offices, and I went into
the hall to my cart, and I saw Cliff, a
(45:45):
guy of considerable tenure from operations, a maintenance crew member,
looking at me from behind a set of heavy doors,
the kind with the heavy bars across the middle you
pressed to open it, with the vertical rectangular windows on
each where they meet when it closes. No reason to
be there. I could discern just Stock still staring. I
(46:08):
could see maybe two thirds of his face from his
position relative to the window in the door, and I
waved a hello and nothing. I was busy with all
of Yepel and its warrens of offices everywhere, so I
said to myself, whatever carried on, I went back to
the cart in the hall. At least five full minutes later,
(46:32):
and Cliff was still there, staring from the other side
of those doors, twenty or so feet away. I'm not
gonna lie. I was creeped out, but I thought it
was Cliff, and we were chill, no problems. We weren't chatty,
but we nodded in the hallway as we passed and
were talking. Three years of that thereabouts. I waved again,
(46:55):
but with an ominous what the fuck dude expression on
my face. It was an unwell feeling. He turned away
and slowly walked away and was out of view in
three or four steps from where I was. But he
didn't turn normally, like your neck turns first to orient
yourself to where your body will flow follow excuse me.
(47:17):
He turned his body as one unit, like I don't
know a robot. It doesn't sound like much, but you'd
be tweaked if you saw it. People don't move like that.
But it gets worse. Cliff, just a creek. I'd take
a break five minutes or so later and head through
(47:38):
that tunnel and get to those offices I mentioned. And
Cliff is in the manager's office talking to EVS shifts supervisor.
I duck my head in and say what's up, Cliff.
I mentioned how I waved and got no response, and
then how he dialed it up to eleven. At the end,
he said he hadn't been in Evil at all that night,
(48:00):
and he was talking to Janice in the office for
at least fifteen minutes. From what I know of him,
he's not at all someone who's gonna intentionally be awkward
with even a friend, let alone nodding acquaintances like me.
The whole thing, however, short and trivial, left me with
an eerie feeling because I believed him when he said
(48:20):
he wasn't there. Janie much later verified that he'd been
with her for at least that long, if not longer
because of a build up of projects. Not sure what
to categorize this as anyways, I hope I didn't babble
on too long. I look forward to whatever you two
hit us within the future. Great show, Oh, great story.
(48:47):
K Caleb bretton yep, Caleb, that is a really cool story.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Well, because you get out, first of all, you get
a witness, so you.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Got someone backing up the fact that he wasn't was.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
A cliff a cliff. Cliff said he wasn't there but
then you get a witness that said Cliff wasn't there,
So it's not one of those stories.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Right, No, Oh, it was definitely Cliff.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
But yeah, so you've got but it wasn't Cliff in
that moment because there's somebody said he wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, that's that's I don't know whether they call it
like a mimic or a dopele gang, a doppelganger. I mean,
the mimic is something that's I've only really found.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Out about it recently.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, I think we have, But the mimic is something
I really only found out like probably a few years back.
It's way creepier than a doppelganger because there's something that's mimic.
Adoppelganger is like you coming back from the future, but
a mimic is something just like it says, mimicking you
to look like you and you know, taking on the identify.
That's way creepier, way creepier.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
The world can't handle one of me, little.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
No, they're not even trying ready, They're gonna come to someone.
They're going to get respect. If I'm gonna do a dog,
I'm going to be a dog.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
I'm gonna do somebody that might get cracked, right, not
Scott if he's tracked to what would come out.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Oh man, We appreciate the story, Caleb, and Uh. If
you guys have any stories, get him to us Beyond
the Shadows two o seven at gmail dot com. You
can write them, you can record them, you can do
whatever you want. Just get those stories to us and
we will catch you, guys in the next one letter. Guys,
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