August 29, 2025 • 65 mins
In Episode 155, we dive into the controversial and captivating story of Bob Lazar, the man who rocked the world in 1989 with claims of working on reverse-engineering alien spacecraft at a secret site near Area 51. Was Lazar a whistleblower exposing extraterrestrial secrets, backed by his detailed accounts of anti-gravity propulsion and Element 115? Or is he a master storyteller weaving a sci-fi scam, with a trail of disputed credentials and no verifiable evidence? Join us as we explore Lazar’s explosive allegations, the government’s response, and the enduring debate that’s kept UFO enthusiasts and skeptics buzzing for decades. Buckle up for a cosmic journey into truth, deception, and the unknown!
• Bob Lazar • Area 51 • Alien spacecraft • Reverse-engineering • UFO whistleblower • Anti-gravity propulsion • Element 115 • Government cover-up • Sci-fi scam • UFO conspiracy • Extraterrestrial technology • Skepticism • 1989 interview • Secret military base • Alien truth
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Are just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
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If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show.
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On the shuttles where you found me? Yet you can't
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the actions act. So this enough you want it, UFOs,
all the ghosts, We got everything that you want.
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the world is?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hi, and welcome back to Episode one hundred and fifty
five will be on the Shadows.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Welcome back shadow people. First off, we got a new
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
Don't know if anybody's noticed, but we just noticed we
are missing an episode on Spotify. If anybody's noticed, we're
aware of it. Don't know what the fuck happen. Episode
ninety six disappeared.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, how do we even get that back?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I have no idea how we go about getting that back.
If you are listening and you're looking forward, it's on
all the other platforms that simply disappeared on Spotify. We're
gonna try to get to the bottom of that. Episode
ninety six.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Which episode? Do you remember what it's.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
About, Keeddy Cabin Murders.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh yeah, I remember. We got a lot of complaints
about that. Everything was pronounced correct. Yeah, they don't like that.
Everybody hates it. When you get all the words right,
I'll say all of them her percent you seventy eight
or higher? Seventy eight percent? All right, what's in the newspell?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So we get another world record. This week, Pearl, a
hen from Texas, turned fourteen. Pearl it became the oldest
living chicken anything birth life span of chickens. But I
would have thought it was higher than fourteen, but apparently not.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
No, nope, I think fourteen's.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Guinness did state that not many people bother filling out
the paperwork. I can't say for sure that Pearl's the
oldest chicken alive, but she is now, she's the record.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
The book says she is. She is.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
She has survived chicken pox, pneumonia, had a leg broken
by a raccoon, and she has arthritis. But she's still
clucking along.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
To my favorite part of that id. Her favorite part
is her best friend is a mop. So obviously Pearl's
eyesight has gone. She's not as sharp as she now.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Every morning she eats cherry, tomatoes, grapes, and Scott said
she snuggles up with her best friend, the mop.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Good for her, Yeah, good for her. So.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
A man in China recently visited a pharmacy in the
yang Dwang province and used his mobile app to pay
the fifteen point eight wand the transaction did not go through,
but by the time the staff figured it out, the
man had already left the store. The store then texted
the phone number that they had on file, but it
turns out that the number was for his wife and
(03:57):
not him, and she had no knowledge whatsoever of why
he would be purchasing birth control pills, So he had
quite the surprise waiting for him when he got home
out But rather than rather than sacking up and just
admitting he fucked up, he blamed the pharmacy.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was obviously the pharmacy's fault.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The pharmacy ruined his marriage and his relationship with his mistress.
Damn it, so he's suing. He wrote an online post.
My wife now knows everything and two families are on
the brink of disintegration. I want to know, does your
pharmacy bearing.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Responsibility two families family?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I'm gonna go ahead and answer that no.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, is this not on them. I'm gonna have to
be on the side of CVS for what.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Just buy some lotion, bro. You know he's trying to like,
oh babe, we can get through this. We'll find another pharmacies.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Get right down the road. I'm not even mad at
you anymore for grew things up with my mistress. I'll
give you another chance.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So we get a guy who was dining with his
son in a cafe in Los Pallios, Villafranca and Seville, Spain.
They ordered two sandwiches, but when informed that they had
run out of mayonnaise, he was speechless. He stormed out
of the cafe, but returned several minutes later with a
can of gasoline. He sprayed the gas all over the
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bar and set the place on fire. The cafe was
full at the time, but everyone managed to make it
out and staff was able to put out the fire.
After about ten thousand dollars in damages. The only injury
reported was to the dumbass who started the fire first place.
He set his arm on fire. But you know, I mean,
I think if you run out of condiments, you've got to.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, mayonnaise is a key component to a good sandwich.
Options are limited, right, so they're ordering fucking gallons of
mayonnaise right now. Oh for sure he used it to
put up the fire. Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Lastly, we have a drone that crashed into a house
in Hillsboro, Hillsborough County, Florida, at about one thirty am
on August nineteenth. The homeowners retrieved the drone and refused
to hand it over. When forty nine year old Jason
Brooks knocked on their door to collect it, they informed
him that they were calling police, and he patiently waited
outside until the police arrived. When the sheriffs arrived, Brooks
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admitted that it was his drone that had crashed and
he was there to retrieve it. Problem is that there
was a bag hanging from its bottom that had three
smaller bags inside. Excuse me four three bags contained fentanyl
and the fourth contained meth. And he was kind enough
to write the full names of all the drug recipients.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
He didn't want somebody to get order.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
There's enough drugs for everybody. Sorry, we got this when
I land in your yard, take only your drugs.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
What a douchebag. Brooks is a fifteen time felon and
he has been charged with multiple crimes here, including intent
to distribute or deliver it.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I can't see how this guy would get caught fifteen times.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Only fifteen times and give the guy a break.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He didn't even know dude, I got some mixed feelings
about these fucking drones. Man, drones are awesome until they're
fucking in your airspace. And I know, like we had
one flying around this house. Yeah, they did it like
for a week straight, and it was like right outside
the bedroom window. And there's no fucking laws. No.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I specifically looked it up in Maine and the NANO.
No other than you know, federal airspace claws. You're as
far as privacy, there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
We talked to the police and he said, uh, I
can't tell you that you I can't tell you that
you could shoot it down. But he was pretty vague
on it. We had this shotgun ready, we were gonna
blast I would I don't play that shit, man, keep
flying the one in my art I will blast it
out of the sky.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Get some give a shit, you, get some fentoel on it,
call the cops.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
There you go, this is main We all got guns.
We'll just blow it up. What a fucking clown, though,
But he knows what's on board his fucking drone. He
knows the cops a comedy. He patiently waits. Yeah, he
had all the people people's name on it and on
the drone is that property of Tony and get some
of those are four ex customers. Now yeah right, He's like,
(08:15):
I didn't even know the drugs were on there. Yeah,
somebody snuck them on during a layover. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So that's the news for this week. What do you
got for us?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, this week, I've been doing what I've been wanting
to do for a while. I just hadn't dove into.
Is Bob Lazar?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh nice? Yeah, so he's a legend looking forward to
this one. All right, guys, we'll.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Be right back. Do you know what you know? I
don't normally do this before story, but I'm gonna say
with Bob Lazar, I believe his story. Yeah, and you're
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gonna see when I go through it. There's a lot
of difference stuff where if you really have a hard time,
there's stuff that's happened in his life to make you think, oh,
I don't I'm not buying it. But there's something about
Bob that I truly believe his story. So we'll start,
But I thought i'd throw that out. Bob Lazaar's story
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starts in a place that feels a world away from
the UFO conspiracies. He later ignited born Robert Scott Lazarre
on January twenty sixth, nineteen fifty nine and Coral Gables, Florida.
He grew up in a middle class family, with parents
Albert and Phyllis. Coral Gables was a quiet suburban town
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near Miami, known for its coral rock homes and tree
lined streets, a far cry from the Nevada Desert where
Lazarre would make his name. As a kid, he showed
a knack for mechanics, always taking things apart to see
how they worked. By his teens, he was building traptions
that caught attention, like a jet powered bicycle that roared
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through the streets, a sign of the restless curiosity that
would soon define him. I mean, can you imagine as
a kid having a jet powered bicycle?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No On read.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Sometimes in the Sometime in the early nineteen seventies, the
Lazarre family moved to West Hills, California, a suburb of
Los Angeles tucked against the Santa Susannah Mountains. Bob attended
Pierce College and Woodland Hills for high school, graduating in
nineteen seventy six. His academic record wasn't stellar. He ranked
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in the bottom third of his class. With only one
chemistry course to his name, school didn't seem to hold
his interest, but machines did. He taught himself electronics and propulsion,
spending hours in his garage on projects that pushed boundaries.
In nineteen eighty two, at age twenty three, he made
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headlines for building a jet powered Honda Civic called Jet
You bet the car fitted with a jet engine from
the Air Force Surplus could hit two hundred miles per hour,
earning him a brief moment of local fame. Who would
think that you could buy a jet from Air Force surplus?
(11:26):
I was in the Air Force. I didn't know you.
I mean maybe a sleeping bag or a parka.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Stuff like the Army Navy store, the Air Force store.
They do some knives and some jet engines.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
The corn just didn't just a fit on your car nicely.
We only got two left. I mean, we've all heard
that story. I don't remember if it's true or not.
I don't know if it's a Darwin Award winner where
you put the US the jets on his car and
into the side of a mountain. I forget that. I
forget the name of those jets. Are boosters for like,
(12:02):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Remember, I've never heard that, but it's probably true.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'mbout to look it up for the next one. Anyways.
The article called him a physicist, a title that would
later fuel debate about his credentials. Lazar's education is where
things get murky. He claimed he earned a bachelor's degree
from UCLA, followed by a master's in physics from MIT
and another in electronics from cal Tech. Impressive credentials for
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a man who later say he worked on alien technology.
But when reporters and researchers like George Knapp and Stanton
Friedman tried to verify these claims, they hit dead ends. UCLA, MIT,
and cal Tech had no record of him on no transcripts,
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no diplomas, not even a mention in yearbooks. Lazar insisted
he attended these schools in the late nineteen seventies and
early nineteen eighties, naming professors like doctor Hausfield at MIT
and doctor Duxler at cal Tech, but no one could
find these instructors. He later claimed the government erased his
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academic records to discredit him after he went public about
Area fifty one. Yeah, this is a big This is
a big debate about him his uh credentials, you know,
whether they were real or not.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But how does a guy, I mean, MIT isn't easy
to get into obviously, so as a guy who ranks
on the bottom third of his class even get considered
for MIT.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Well, I mean, if you did all those other colleges
and stuff first, I mean, I can tell you I
did absolutely horrible in high school. It was just a
lack of giving a shit. Yeah, you know, I was
terrible in high school. But when I went to college, I.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Don't recall you getting in an MIT, right, That's.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Where you're wrong. It's just been erased. They begged me,
and I was like, government, erase that shite. You just
don't know. No, But I mean when I went to college,
I got straight a's because I was paying for it.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
His big difference totally different.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yea, yeah at that part, but now who knows. Skeptics
argue that he never attended these institutions, pointing to his
lackluster high school grades as evidence he wasn't on track
for elite universities. Despite the gap in his academic story,
Lazarre found his way to Los Alamos, New Mexico, in
nineteen eighty two, working at Los Alamos National Laboratory, a
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hub for cutting edge science. He wasn't a physicist, as
he'd later claim, but a technician employed at kirk Meyer,
a contractor supplying support staff. His name appeared in Los
Alamos phone directory, and colleagues remember him as a bright,
if quirky young man with a passion for lasers and
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propulsion systems. While there, he ran a side business called
United Nuclear, selling scientists equipment like Geiger counters and chemicals
Adventure that showed his entrepreneurial streak. He also organized an
event called Desert Blast, a festival of homemade rockets and
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explosion explosives, which hinted at his love for pushing technological limits.
By the late nineteen eighties, Lazarre moved to Las Vegas, Nevada,
setting the stage for the next chapter of his life.
He was married to Carol Strong, his first wife, and
later to Tracy Murk, who stand by him through the
(15:34):
chaos of his whistle blowing years. I actually had to
go back and double check because his wife comes up
in this that Carol's Strong. I did not know this
was his first wife. She actually died of suicide before
all of this happened. She actually I think it was
carbon monoxide poisoning. So he's actually been married. I had
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to go back and like he's been married three times, gotcha.
The one that we're going to talk about will be
this Tracy and later Tracy Murk who stood by him,
just the one that stood by him through all this.
His early life paints a picture of self taught tinkering
with a knack for mechanics, but a questionable academic trail.
Was he a genius who slipped through the cracks of
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his formal education, or was he just crafting a backstory
to support the later claims. By the late nineteen eighties,
Bob Lazaar had left Los Alamos, New Mexico and landed
in Las Vegas, a city pulsing with neon and mystery,
just miles from the secretive Nellis Air Force Base. I went,
(16:38):
I've been to Nellis. It's right outside of Las Vegas.
I had to go there for like three months for
we were down there for top Gun, Top Gun and
Jado Jazz, which was in the Air Force's version, if
I got that right. I remember having to go for
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like we're supposed to be there for like every time
you go TDY in the Air Force. Supposed to go
for like a month, you end up there for three.
He was in his late twenties, married to Tracy Murk
and hunting for work that matched his technical skills. Lazarre
wasn't one to sit idle. He'd always been a hands
on guy, tinkering with machines and chasing big ideas. In Vegas,
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he saw opportunity, but nothing could have prepared him for
the call that would change his life. In nineteen eighty eight,
Lazarre said he was contacted by EG and G Special Projects,
a defense contractor tied to classified military work. The call
came out of the blue, and here's where things get intrigued.
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According to Lazarre, someone from EG and G mentioned a
nineteen eighty two newspaper article that had the caught their eye.
One about his jet powered Honda Civic, a beast of
a car that screamed across the desert at two hundred
miles per hour. That car would go two hundred miles
per hour. That's impressive. The article had called him a physicist,
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a title that may have peaud their interest, whether it
was accurate or not. Lazarre claimed this conversation led to
an interview, and soon after he was hired to work
on a project so classified it barely had a name,
just the destination S four S four Levar's, Lazarre said
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was a hidden facility near Area fifty one, tucked into
the Papoose Mountain range, about ten miles south of Groom Lake.
He described being driven to the site in a vehicle
with blacked out windows, the desert stretching endlessly outside. His
job reverse engineering technology that wasn't just advanced, it was otherworldly.
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Lazarre claimed he was brought on to study propulsion systems
of craft that didn't come from Earth. Nine of them
to be exact, housed in hangars carved into the mountain side.
So having been in the Air Force and talking to
people that worked on not alien stuff, but I mentioned
it before I worked with the One of my sergeants
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was he worked on the Stealth the Stealth Fighter before
it came out, And the stuff that Bob Bazaar is
describing here is exactly what he described like. He didn't
go to Area fifty one. He was going as Totem
Paul is where you go out of I remember him
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saying that specifically, and he would go somewhere and basically
work on that aircraft. I was out there, but these
cars and stuff were blacked out windows. There's jets that
are called the Janet. Is a Janet or Janis flights
the same thing. The windows are blacked out. They fly
people out there and fly them back. So many days later,
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he was putting this stuff out before people knew it
was real.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I've seen pictures of the Planger job. Well, there's no
markings on.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
No markings on him. I think they're called the Janet,
Janet flights or Janet flights, just one of the two
doesn't say says it's got like a red stripe and
that's it. They're white with a red stripe. And but
he was telling when he's telling the story, people didn't
know about this stuff. When he told his story, people
barely knew about Area fifty one. It wasn't something that
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he was just out there. You know. It's one of
those things you like, is he full of shit? Well,
he knew a lot of stuff that didn't seem to
make sense that he knew. He said he was given
security clearance, handed briefings that detailed extraterrestrial origins and told
to keep quiet The work was intense. Can part more
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I can't see CAN, compartmentalized and shrouded in secrecy, with
armed guards and strict protocols to ensure no one stepped
out a line. Lazar's role focused on a power source
he'd never seen before, a reactor that defied known physics.
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He described it as compact, generating energy through a process
that he couldn't fully grasp, tied to a substance he
later called element one point fifteen. The crafts themselves were
unlike anything man made, smooth, seamless, and eerily efficient. Lazarre
said he was he was on a one of a
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small team, each member isolated to prevent leaks, but the
weight of what he was seeing, a technology that could
bend gravity itself, was too much to keep inside. This
period in Las Vegas marked a turning point. Lazar wasn't
just a technician anymore. He was, by his account, a
man staring into the abyss of cosmic secrets. So he
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described like that the device's talking about is like a
round It was just like a round ball. It reminds
me of the bet sphere when we talked about Yeah,
a round ball, super dense. It just just like a
flat plate that it would go above. And I remember
him saying, I didn't write it in here specifically, but
I remember him saying that he believed when he was
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brought on he was replacing somebody that was killed because
they were trying to cut one of these things openly
to find out what exactly was inside. And that's what
he believes. That person died during that and he was
brought in to replace them.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So clearly he's not going to try cutting this thing open.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So like all right things to do, cut open from
the line through that one, John says, no, I don't
do that one. But yeah, I mean I remember when
he was talking about it, it reminded me of the
bet sphere because I mean, like the size and what
it was made up of. An ever. Yeah, but that's
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the one thing I'm really curious about because if they
can't cut this op out, I'll get into it later on.
So with arm guards and strict protocols to ensure no
one steps out a line, Lazarre claimed the secrecy of
S four was suffocating. He said his work they're revolved
around analyzing propulsion systems for craft that he that didn't
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follow any rules of Earth's physics. Like I said before,
there was nine vehicles, each distinct, stored in hangars hidden
in the mountain side. He worked specifically on one. He
at some point saw the other ones coming into the hangar.
It wasn't like they were just out there. They said
that they kept it compartment minalized. They kept in people
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like that, so they didn't know what was going on.
They never knew the whole story of what was going on.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, that makes sense to me. I would have found
it more implausible if he said. They had him bouncing
around working out all nine, right, and if you can't
figure out one, why send him to the next one?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Right? So he worked on and I guess more than
one of them had the same propulsion system, you know.
And actually I remember going back and they didn't see
it when I was researching this time, but I where
they came from and stuff like that. One of them,
he said, came from an archaeologial I can't even say
that word. A dig where they were out there digging,
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you know, and they found it in the ground, you know,
operational like it was left here from a long time.
Move on to one of the other ones and cut
that one open. Right, just because it didn't work on
the last one. I do remember. He also said when
they were going through the hangar, like one of the
one of the craft had like a bullet hole through it,
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and he didn't know if it's something that happened. It
looked like a bullet hole had ripped through, just like
the edge of the saucer type thing. He didn't know
if they were testing it or he had no idea
how it got there, but it definitely looked like a
hole that went through the metal.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It could have been flown over somebody's house and farmer
took a shot. Not impossible.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Maybe it was. They thought it was a drone delivering Uh,
they were late right. Heart. The heart of these machines,
according to Lazar, was a compact reactor powered by something
he called element one point fifteen, a substance that generated
energy in ways he couldn't fully explain. It wasn't like
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anything he'd seen at Los Alamos or anywhere else. Just
being near it gave him a sense that humanity was
out of its depth. Lazar said his days at S
four were tightly controlled. He'd be picked up in Las Vegas,
driven through the desert to the site and escorted to
his workstation. The briefings he read, he claimed, went beyond
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tech specs. They hinted at extraterrestrial origins, with reports suggesting
these craft had been studied for years, maybe even decades.
He described one craft, dubbed the Sports Model, as a
sleek saucer shaped thing about fifty two feet wide, with
a smooth metallic surface that seemed to absorb light. Inside
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it was cramped with small seats unfit for humans and
controls that didn't resemble any cockpit he knew. His job
was to figure out how the reactor worked, how it
manipulated gravity to let the craft move silently without jets
or wings, defying everything he thought possible. The work was isolating.
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Lazarre said he was part of a small team, each
member walled off from others to prevent leaks. He catched
glimpses of activity of other scientists and maybe technicians, and
once he claimed a brief site of a small gray
figure in a sealed room guarded by men with gloves.
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So this is he never came out and said what
he saw exactly basically an alien?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Did he say it was alive?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, he thought that it was a lie, but he
was just going through seeing this through a small window.
As his claim, that image stuck with him. But when
he was going through these briefings and I remember this
from another he claims that one of them said that
it was from Beta Reticuli, which is a solicis I
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mean a star, But I think it's like thirty seven
or thirty nine light years from here, and that's one
that's particularly known for grays. What's that meters by the way,
that's like it's like sevencent micaverting miles, it's at least nine.
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The secrecy, the strange tech, and the arm escorts, it
all built a pressure he couldn't shake. By early nineteen
eighty nine, Lazarre said he started to question his role.
He wasn't just curious anymore. He felt like he was
carrying a secret too big for one person. The tension
led to a bold move. Lazarre claims he began to
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talk to friends, sharing bits of what he's seen, even
taking a few his wife, Tracy, her sister, and others
to the edge of Area fifty one to watch test
flights of the craft on Wednesday nights. He said the
skies over Groom Lake would light up with strange objects
darting in ways no human craft could. So he not
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only went out there with them, he video recorded it.
And this is one more of the line. I mean,
it's terrible because it's video recorded.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, I've seen the footage.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And you can look at the footage if you guys
want to look it up. But there's definitely something in
the sky flying around very odd. Yeah, and he recorded it.
So these things exist, you know. One of the things.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You're still recording shit at Groom Lake today. I think
the only question is whether they're flying experimental military aircraft
or or alien. I mean, they're definitely flying sho there's
no doubt about that. But what's its origin is the
only question.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, and now and back in these days, you could
get a lot closer to the off bay, should get
a lot closer. They bought up a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Every time somebody finds a really good vantage point, they
made that off limit.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And then there was a mountain somewhere nearby that people
could get up and they could really see down in there,
and they bought that up. So yeah, these outings weren't
exactly subtle either. The word got back to his employers
Lazarre said he was caught, debriefed, and warned to stay silent.
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His security clearance was yanked and his time at S
four ended as quickly as it begun, But the experience
left him rattled and determined to speak out. That's where
the story's eded to next, Lazar's decision to go public,
spilling details of S four, an alien tech to a
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Las Vegas reporter, setting off a firestorm that would make
Area fifty one a household name. Before Bob Lazar, you
did not hear about Area fifty one. This is where
it all started. Lazarre's time at S four, the secretive
facility near Area fifty one, came to a crashing halt
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in the early nineteen eighty nine. He'd been studying propulsion
systems on what he claimed were extracrestrial crafts. Lazarre said
he was hauled in for a debriefing, his clearance revoked,
and his role at S four terminated. Why Bob Blazar
decided to blow the whistle, risking everything to tell the
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world what he saw and how his wife's allegation alleged
affair played a part in the fallout. According to Lazarre,
the loss of his clearance wasn't just because of his
low sweps. He claimed his bosses at S four were
spooked by his personal life, specifically with his wife, Tracy
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Merk was having an extramarital affair. So what he said
is after he was her loose lips, I don't have
a filter, all right, where was I? So? Yeah, actually
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he said that. Uh, he believed after because he was
taking the he was doing those outings and bringing his
friends around, that they were kind of they were worried
about him. So they started capping his phones and stuff,
and that's where they found out Lazar. Security at the
ultra secretive facility was paranoid about any any instability that
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could compromise their operation. They believe Tracy's relationship with another
man made Lazarre a risk, fearing he might be distracted
or worse, succeptible to leaking secrets under emotional strain. He
said they had his home bugged, picking up conversations that
confirmed the affair, and that was enough to pull the
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plug on his access. Whether this was the real reason
or a convenient excuse, Lazarre felt the walls closing in,
convinced he was being watched, his life unraveled under the
weight of the S four secrecy. Fearing for his safety
and frustrated by the loss of his job, Wazar decided
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he couldn't stay silent. In May nineteen eighty nine, he
reached out to George Knapp, an investigative reporter at KLAS
TV and Las Vegas. Now we mentioned George Knapp on here.
I have for sure quite a few times if you
go into anything that's being released him in uh Coudrey
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and I another, is that right, I'll get it to him.
They're the ones releasing a lot of the UFO stuff today.
But I mean, so George Knapp was he did his interview,
and I think I can't remember exactly. I'm pretty sure
Bob Blazar when I heard his story was on Art Bell.
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I'm pretty sure after I think, because George Knapp did
stuff on Art Bell's show, I'm pretty sure Bob Blazaar
was one of the first guests that he brought on there.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I think I think the first time I heard of
Bob Blazar was Unsolved Mysteries. I believe I might be
talking out of my ass, but.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That might be. I mean, this was right in that prime,
This is right in that time when he came out.
You know, when he came out, it was huge. It
was huge, It was all over. So at first he
insisted on being anonymous, using this the synonym Dennet, to
shield himself from the fallout he expected at all the
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names hum with Dennis. In a shadowy interview, his face obscured,
Lazarre dropped a bombshell. He worked at S four, a
hidden site Southavaria fifty one where the US government was
reverse engineering nine alien air spacecraft. So in the interview,
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he described the sports model, a saucer shaped craft with
a reactor powered by element one point fifteen, capable of
bending gravity to move in ways no human technology could match.
He says some crafts were intact, others were being dismantled
for study, and he read briefings hinting of extraterrestrial contacts
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stretching back thousands of years. It was a story so
wild it could have been ripped from a sci fi script,
but Lazarre delivered it with calm, matter of fact conviction.
The interview aired on May twenty fourth, nineteen eight. It
sent shockways through Las Vegas and beyond. Now. I don't
know if you've seen this have you seen his original interview.
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There's one where he's all it's all dark, like he's
going by Dennis in their interview. But you could totally
tell us Bob Bazar if you were, if you knew
Bobby'd be like, that's Bob, and there was no real
disguises anything. Dennis. No, it can't be. It can't be Bob.
He says, his name is Dennis. But yeah, you could
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definitely tell. Area fifty one at this time was barely
a blip on public's radar before it had Now it
had become a household name. Lazare soon shed his Dennis alias,
appearing as himself in follow up interviews with George Knapp.
Area fifty one, a military based barely anyone talked about before,
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became a magnet for UFO enthusiasts, conspiracy buffs, and curious tourists.
Lazarre told NAP he went in public because he feared
for his safety after losing his S four clearance. He
claimed the government was scrubbing his past, erasing job records
in education history to discredit him, leaving him no choice
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but to speak out. His story was bold, detailed, and
to many, too outlandish to believe without proof. Skeptics came
hard and fast. No documents backed up the Lazarre's time
at s four, no co workers stepped forward. An element
one fifteen, unknown to science in nineteen eighty nine, sounded
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like pure fiction. Ufologist Stanton Friedman called him a fraud,
pointed to inconsistencies like his unverified degrees, but supporters like
Napp argued that the story stayed consistent, and the two
thousand and three discovery of element one fifteen later named
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Moscow Vinnie gave him pause, even if the lab version
decayed too fast to match Lazarre's claims. So in two
thousand and three they discovered this element one point fifteen
that Bob had been talking about. Bob had said that
that's what powered the whole thing, and everybody thought he
was full of shit. But when they're doing their studies,
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they found out it's real. Now it's not stable, it's
not a stable version of it. I learned just not
that long ago that there's a lot of different elements
that have stable versions and unstable versions of the same element.
I think this is how I researching this one. But yeah,
so this is some of the stuff that came forward
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after the fact.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You know, it's hard to disprove people that know stuff
like that beforehand.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
If you listened to Bob.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Was both his element not a big periodic table.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Guy?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Is element one fifteen the very next one that wasn't known?
I say, we're up to one fourteen.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
No, I don't think so, because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I mean, I don't possibly just made up the next one.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Okay, let's not just show how ignorant we are. You
don't know that.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Everybody knows the basics. I don't know exactly how many
are on the fuck I.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Don't know either.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
It would be a little more, a little less like
mind blowing if there were one hundred and fourteen. No, no,
he just picked the next one.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's not the next one that I'm aware of. I'll
have to look it up though. That's it's actually a
good question. But yeah, later on, it's been proven. It's
been proven that it can exist, at least in at
least in an unstable form. Where was I then? In
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nineteen ninety, Lazar's credibility took a hit when he was
arrested for felony pandering tied to a Las Vegas prostitution ring.
He pled guilty, got probation and called it a misunderstanding,
but it gave critics more fuel. Wazar didn't back down.
He said he's seen test flights of the craft, knew
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the tech inside and out, and even hinted at smuggling
a spec of element one point fifteen, though he never
showed it. So this is something I was completely unaware
of until like maybe a year or two ago. I
saw the I saw the interviews and stuff because I
think I was listening to our bell. Yeah, and I uh,
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it may have even been after like a year, a
couple of years after. I think it was when I
was in there, yeah for sure. But so I hadn't
heard about this prostitution thing. So I dug into. I
dug in to find out what that was all about.
So Bobby, he decided, is in Vegas. You know, there
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was apparently a prostitute that he used to go to.
This is after his wife was shooting on We'll give
him the benefit of the doubt. Ah, and uh, this
prostitute he started booking her clients for her, and he
like put it all onto a comput.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Bobby's a pimp.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, Well, Bobby was smart. He's running a computer. So, yeah,
Bobby was. He claims that he was just organizing her
business for her. So he was taking fifty percent.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Off the top.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
That's what will Ferrell claimed.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
In the other guys she.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Were pimp No, yeah, so he uh, he was taking
like fifty percent off the top. And he like had it.
He was right now out. He had all the people's names,
their video of you know, he had he had it
all set up. He said he was just helping out
a friend.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
He had to have a cooler street name than bub
right Dennis.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Does he get much cooler than Dennis? Yeah, So he
claimed harassment followed. He had. He claims FBI raids, phone taps,
and threats that kept him on the edge, carrying a
gun for protection. By the early nineteen nineties, he moved
move to rural New Mexico. Later he was already carrying, right, yeah,
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every now and then, who gets out of Oh if
you guys, I guarantee you most of you have seen
Bob Bazaar. But if you haven't, this is the last
guy in the world you'd ever picture. He's a skinny
Scarannie little nerd. You know. He says it was a
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misunderstanding and I'm sure Bob's right. I'm going to give
him the benefit of the doubt on that. So he
moved to New Mexico in later Oregon. Stepping away from
the UFO spotlight, he focused on a quiet life running
a science supply business, but his story kept growing, fueled
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by a public hungry for answers about Area fifty one.
The legacy of those nineteen eighty nine interviews is undeniable.
Lazarre put Area fifty one on the map. It's fucking
decades of speculation, from UFO document documentaries to the twenty
nineteen Storm Area fifty one internet craze. Do you remember that? Yeah?
(42:13):
I do. Everybody's gonna get They're gonna go and they're
gonna storm Area fifty one. It was like what a
million people like, let's do it, and like nine show.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
There's even like a little special about that on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Right, I think there's a documentary on the I haven't
watched it yet, No me either, but I mean I
there was hardly anybody that showed up for it. Everybody's
like you're longestly illegal, Like you're gonna get shot on site.
They have signs all over the fucking fence It reminds
me of a I don't know who the comedian was.
It's like, we're gonna go next door and we're gonna
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take over the casino. And they're like yeah, and he's like,
now some of us will die. Oh, and that's just it.
Some of you will die if you're gonna storm Area
fifty one.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
I get to pe show up fucking immediately. I've seen
videos of people going where you're allowed to go, but
they'll follow you, like along the fence line. They're not
fucking around. They got sensors that place.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
It's no wired, it's no joke.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
And they've got they've got shoot to kill authority. You've
crossed the fence here, yep.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
And I've watched a lot of videos of people just
seeing how close they could get and they're riding their
like motorcycles in the dirt bikes or whatever. And uh,
people who show up, they're not I mean, they could
be military. They look like military. There's no there's no
definable branch, there's no definable name or you know, you
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don't know a rank anything like that. It's just it's BDUs.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
They show they show up immediately, they show up until
you cross the line. They stay off in the distance,
but they monitor everything.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Sometimes they'll let you see them, let you know that
they're there. But there's other ones around you that you
don't know about. So yeah, it's no joke, all right?
Where was I? Whether he was a whistleblower exposing cosmic
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secrets or storyteller riding a wave of intrigue, his claim
changed how we talk about UFOs. In nineteen eighty nine,
when he first mentioned it on KLASTV, element one fifteen
didn't exist on the periodic table, just a wild idea
for a man already under fire for his unproven credentials.
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He described it as a stable, super heavy element that
fueled the Sports Model reactor, bending gravity, allowing the craft
to dance through the sky. Fast forward to two thousand
and three and Russian scientists synthesized element one fifteen, naming
it mosconium mosconveum to catch it decayed within milliseconds. This
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is what we already said, this, noting nothing like the
stable isotope Lazar said could power a UFO. Still, the
fact he named it years before its discovery kept believers
shook hooked, while skeptics called it a lucky guess or
clever sci fi. Lazar insisted stable versions existed hidden in
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secret labs, but he never produced a sample. The debate
over Element one point fifteen only deepened and divided over
Lazar's stories. Supporters pointed to the consistency of decades of
interviews from Nap in eighty nine to Joe Rogan in
twenty nineteen. I didn't realize it was woo six years
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ago when he went on Rogan where he stuck to
the same details, the reactor, the gravity waves, the craft,
the eerie maneuvers. They saw vindication in the Navy UAP
footage from two thousand and four, like the tic Tac incident,
showing objects moving in ways that echoed Lazar's claim. Sorry.
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The claim that Lazarre had was these crafts like the
sports model, you expect like UFO to fly like two
I mean your typical UFO, and what he's talking about
is like two pipe plates, you know, one on top
of the other kind of thing, and you expected to
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fly sideways. Lazar always claimed that the bottom it turned
sideways and the bottom of the UFO is what how
it flew like that pulled forward like that's where it
was manipulating gravity from the bottom of the craft. And
they say when they're moving slow, they actually wobble. And
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this is all proven on the tic TAC videos. Is
that's how they're flying the way that Bob claimed that
they flew. So, I mean the element one fifteen didn't exist,
it does exist. The aircraft flown. Everyone else is claiming
that these sausages fly a certain way. This is how
Bob says they actually fly by seeing the craft and
being on it, and that's how they show up in
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the tic TAC video. You know, So a lot of
the stuff Bob said it's coming out turning out down
the road to be true.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, I just looked it up. By the way, there's
one hundred and eighteen elements on them. Don't know when
they would discover, but there's under and eighteen total as
of today.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Oh okay, but they're not all in order. You might
have I think like maybe there's one fifteen, but they
might already know one eighteen. This space is this gaps
in there. I do know that. Critics, though they hammered
the lack of evidence, no S four documents, no co workers,
no Element one fifteen samples, just his word UFO ologists.
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Stanton Friedman called them a fabricator, arguing a technician with
no verified degrees couldn't have access to such secrets. The
nineteen ninety pandering conviction didn't help, obviously, It did not
help penning Lazarre as a hustler to some. After the
media storm, Lazar's life got quieter, but never normal. He
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claimed ongoing harassment, FBI visits, bugged phones, even a bullet
shattering his car's window in the early nineteen nineties. He
insisted he never profited from his claims, saying he just
wanted the truth out. In twenty eighteen, Jeremy Corbell, That's
what I was trying to say earlier. Jeremy Corbel, he
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works with NAP and they're the ones that keep releasing
a lot of stuff. That Jellyfish UFO stuff was one
that they released. I think the Tic Tac also. But anyways,
Corbel did a documentary about Bob. It's called Bob Lazar,
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Area fifty one and Flying Saucers. It's on Netflix. It's
a it's a really good documentary. He watched that one
if you haven't. But this brought him back into focus,
showing a man still haunted by what he's seen or
said he seen. He stuck to his story even as
the FBI raided his business in twenty seventeen, supposedly looking
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for records but leaving empty handed. So once again, in
twenty seventeen, the FBI raided his house. If everything he
says is bullshit, and this is provable that the FBI
raided his house, why are they raiding his house if
everything he said is bullshit? Right, the FBI is there, like,
we gotta find out how Bob is keeping these hose.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Straight tax evation on his pinpit.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
But yeah, I mean he was talking. I remember him
talking to Rogan about it and about how when he
was making the documentary with Jeremy that he was raided
by the FBI. What did claim And what people say
is they believe that he had a sample of that
one point fifteen and that's what they're looking for. So
they went through his they went through his lab, they
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went through his house, they went through everything. Several times.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
I gues, he's obviously not saying, but does Bob glame
he still has it?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Bob I listened to an interview where early on they
asked him about it, and he said no comment. He
didn't say no.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
If he thought enough to take it, he didn't just
get rid of it, right.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
I mean, if you were around that stuff, how tempting
would it be to take something like that? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Depends on how radioactive it is.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
It depends it's the right shoe or the left he grow.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
He's trying to grow a second penis and get his
wife back.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
I got something for you. I will give up all
these prostitutes, all right. The Pentagon's twenty twenty one UAP
report admitting unexplained aerial phenomenon were real and understudy, gave
Lazarre's tale new life. Journalism journalist argued he deserved a
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second look, while skeptics pointed to gaps like a suppose
vial of element one point fifteen that turned out to
be commercial silicon. In twenty nineteen, during the viral storm
Area fifty one, crazel Czar distanced himself on Instagram, saying
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s four secrets were likely gone, moved to another black site,
and a lot of people believe that because Area fifty one,
everybody knows it exists. Yeah, and guess what if everybody
knows it exists everybody satellite is over that picking up
whatever they want. You know, every country's got satellites up
there they could see. So, I mean it only makes sense.
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Some people believe there's some secret bases in the mountains
in Colorado and up obviously all over the place.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'm sure there's more than one.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Oh, I bet we have time. There's so many stories
about underground military bases.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, it's not just an American thing. They're everywhere.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
No, And I don't remember there was that watch that
recorded your I think I talked about it in one
of the stories once. There's a watch that records recorded
you when you exercise, and it put the stuff onto
the internet and everybody could see, you know, the track
that you had taken. Oh, he ran this route, and
it would mark it out and it. Soldiers had these
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watches on when they're exercising in the facility and it's
showing up on the ground. It was showing up in
a spot where there's nothing, you know, like that, they
were running around under in an underground facility. So and
how true that, I mean I read an article about that.
Sound solid.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I mean, yeah, it's inevitable that technology is not only
an advance but it's going to shoot itself in the foot,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Oh absolutely. I mean if you go into place like that,
you think you probably aren't allowed anything.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
No, and you think they'd have a way to just
just shut it down even if you don't take it.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you're that far underground.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Tinfoil wrapped the whole facility or whatever.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
You know, whatever whatever it is that works. But his
story still fuels debate. Was he a whistleblower, humanity's biggest secret,
or storyteller who tapped into our fascination with the unknown?
Lazarre claims reshape Ufo culture, making Area fifty one a
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symbol of hidden truth, whether you see him as a
hero or a hoax. His tales linger a shadow cast
across the desert, daring us to wonder what's out there.
And that's my story. I'm Bob Blazaar.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
So it's a good one. First twelve And I said,
don so what do you think?
Speaker 1 (53:34):
I Like I said at the beginning, I believe. I
believe Bob. There is some questions. I mean, more stuff
has come up lately that makes me question some of it.
But there's other stuff that's come up, Like he knew
this shit ahead of time. Yeah, you know the one
fifteen he said, ahead of time? Where did you just
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pull he? You know, like he's saying they call him
a physicist, and they're saying he has no education. And
if you listen to him talk and describe this stuff
and talk about science, the dude has an education. You
know it. If he didn't go to those colleges, it's
not showing that he went to any other, but he
has an education. He's he's no dummy, he's crazy intelligent.
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So perhaps he learned it on his own, but it
sure seems like he has education. They claim that he
wasn't at Los Alamos at one point, and he shows
up in the directory. They're like, no, he didn't work here,
yet his name is in the directory. It would be
really hard to scrub. You know, when you hear things
like well, he claimed this instructor and this instructor and
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they have no info on the in who the instructors are.
I mean, it's one thing to say, you know, Bob
didn't exist. This is one guy in the class. Nobody remembers.
His name's Ryan.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Or that was usually.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
It wasn't there, but no, I mean, it'd be hard
to erase that stuff. The government's not I don't see
the government being beyond it.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
So his story is very plausible to me. I don't
laugh at a story at all. The education I do
is a red flag for me, a guy who had
bottom third of his class. I think him getting an
MIT is a fucking stretch. Doesn't mean it didn't happen,
but I find that to be a stretch. They don't
let anybody in, like you've got to be top of
the top to get in there. So not impossible, implausible.
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His actual work story in the craft and what he
was reverse engineering, I don't find any major holes in that.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
I mean so, I've heard other stories where Bob people
have said that he did working this place, But the
job that he's claiming he had isn't the job that
he had, Like he had a lot lower level.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
He replaced the urinal case. No, I reverse engine the
urinal case.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
You just think those things are pink. That's element one sixteen.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I cut one and a half.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
I'm still here. No, But I mean, uh, he knew,
he knew how the craft flew, he knew a lot
of stuff, and he described the craft as being like
one piece of metal, you know, like it was formed
or whatever. It wasn't something we were capable of doing
back then. Now they can print, the three D printers
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could do what those aircraft are made on them. Yeah,
so that technology is possible.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
So if he's a fraud, he's a really good guessing
fraud because he predicted a lot of shit that didn't
exist when he began predicting it.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
I don't think he's a fraud. I think some aspects
of his story might be made up. Maybe he's entirely yeah, embellished,
or maybe well, who are you going to listen to
some clown who barely graduated high school or an MIT graduate.
He might have embellished to give himself some credibility who
the fuck knows for to get these jobs in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yeah, maybe he was lying.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
He wouldn't be the first one to make up a transcript.
That's happened all the time. It doesn't mean everything that
happened after the fact is a lie. Right, problem is
that he can backtrack on those stories. If that's what happened,
he can't now come clean and like, okay, I didn't
go to MIT because the rest of his story unravels.
He's got to stick with it.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Now right now. Where I was way back in the
day when I first heard the story, I was one
hundred percent Bob's telling the truth. You know, this shit's real.
I believe him. And then as time gouds things have
popped up that I was completely unaware of. The prostitution
thing means nothing to me. I don't care about what
I don't think it changes whether it's true or not.
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It just shows that Bob does have a shady side. Yeah,
but uh, who doesn't, right, But I don't know. I've
there's I have a little more doubt than I used to,
But I still put Bob at a seven or eight
on a scale of one to ten.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
I'd put him on a solid six. I believe it
more than I don't.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, it that way. Yeah, And uh, Joe Rogan's a
pretty big skeptic on stuff, and I can tell I've
heard him talk about him a lot on different episodes
and when he did the episode with him, and he
believes it. He believes him. He thinks that he's pretty credible.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
And if Bob's a liar, he's a convincing lie.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, he's very good. He doesn't seem like he's trying
to sell the story really hard.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
He doesn't seem like he's making it up on the fly.
Somebody's lying. They just seem like they're inventing the story
as they go.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
But Bob, either he's really well practiced or when he's
talking about it, he knows what he's talking about. You know,
he knows the facts. He knows the science behind the facts.
You know. So if he if he is a fraud,
he did a lot of research and studying to be one.
So yeah, nicely done.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
But writ in on Spotify under the episode, guys, let
us know what you think about Bob.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Was he legit?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Was he not? Any thoughts, comments, questions we'd love to
hear from you.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah. Absolutely. So that's going to wrap it for that.
We're going to head it over to the fire pit.
We'll catch over there. I don't think you can't. Wow,
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that wasn't the firepit song. I don't think they could either.
You know, they can't. If you guys, you guys know
where that comes from. Put it on the Spotify.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
That's a call back to it. This is a story
behind that.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
If you've been listening since the beginning, you definitely know
the story. Let us know if you know.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Where it came from. This week's fire pit comes to
us from Sherry. Many years ago, I rented a house
that had a certain energy to it. Was it haunted?
Not sure? Was there something lingering within the walls that
I called home? I think so. Over the years, unexplained
things happened as sure as a clock keeps time. The
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cat would stare at the walls and move his eyes
across the wallpaper, as if he was following something only
he could see. After finishing a light shift, I came home,
exhausted and fell into bed. Soon after, I heard the
buzz of the dryer downstairs go off, signaling that the
cycle was complete. Curious, I went down to the basement
to find that the dryer was empty and cold to
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the touch. On another day, while vacuuming the living room,
the ornament that was sitting on top of the TV
televisions were big back then, flew across the room. An
odd thing about this house was that the basement had
a cement floor, but only covering three quarters of the space.
That left a large area covered by dirt. Why they
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never finished the entire basement was odd. It was so
rough a person could dig large holes on this side
of the house if they wanted. The space was at
least equivalent to the size of a storage shed. We
hung a couple curtains across the gap so we didn't
have to think about the reasons why or what may
have happened in the past. Then one night I was
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in a deep sleep when I heard heavy footsteps that
woke up. The sound was coming from either the back
porch or from the basement. The two were so close
together that I couldn't tell the exact location. I sat
right up in bed, listening as the sounds of the
person's heavy steps came closer and moved down the hall
towards my bedroom. This was a time when I never
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locked my doors at any time, day or night. I
thought my luck had finally run out, as someone was
in my house with bad intentions. When the man finally
appeared in the doorway of my bedroom, I wished it
had been a regular robber. This man was see through.
Almost pixelated is the best I can describe his appearance.
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He was pointing at my bedroom window at the house
across the street. He had black hair that was slicked
back with hair oil, as was common in the day.
He wore a denim work shirt that was buttoned all
the way. He wore a belt in dark blue work pants.
The rest of him below the knee was not there.
This is where the apperation's image stopped. He stood pointing,
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not saying anything, before he just completely disappeared. I did
some research on previous owners of the house using a
reverse directory. I located my address in the book. From there,
it provided the names and occupations of the occupants for
the year that the directory was published. We called this
a Henderson directory. It was better than Facebook creeping in
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its day. There was a former resident who worked for
the city as a streetcar mechanic. Considering the clothes he
was wearing, I think this may have been him. After
listening to your show, I have come to accept that
he was the type of ghost to a suck who
excuse me, is stuck in a repetitive loop. Strange things
happened right up to the day I moved out, but
I never again saw this figure. One night, at an
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after work function, my coworkers and I started to talk
about all the things paranormal and downright weird. A real
firepit type situation one co worker had lots of stories
about a house in her neighborhood growing up that freaked
out all the kids living in the area. She said,
even at Halloween, kids would go not go anywhere near
the place. As the evening wrapped up, she offered to
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give me a ride home. On the way, she would
take a drive by your old neighborhood and show me
the house. We drive for a while, chatting away. When
she pulls up in front of a house and stops
the car. I had my hand on the door handle
and the door cracked open. When she tells me to
wait and that she will drive the rest of the
way home. This was the house featured in her stories.
I was gobsmacked. I turned her and said, it's okay,
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val I live here. The house you've been telling stories
about is my house. Not long ago, this house caught
fire in the middle of the night and burned to
the ground. That is probably a good thing. I hope
whatever spirit or spirits were there have found peace in
the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Sherry, WHOA, that's a wow, crazy story.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
That's a very crazy story. That's a really good story.
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
After it really is. She Bright's really good.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Really well written. Ah Any ups and that story were
on me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah much. No, but uh, she also sent a PDF,
which is amazing. She's the only person that has ever
sent a PDF, which is makes it so much easier.
It goes right to the printer. No, appreciate that story.
That was awesome so very much. I mean a full
body that's well, it's really close to being a full
body apparition.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Yeah, I would pretty much consider that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah, and uh, residual like she said, and like it's
repeat stuck in the cycle. That would be more of
a residual heart.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I think, so absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
And uh, what the hell's a pointing that? Though? What's
the point that would drive me crazy? I'd be looking
out the window constantly.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
He wants her to know something.
Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, that's what it seems like. But if he's interacting,
if he's actually interacting with her though, that's not a residual.
Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
No, it's not. But maybe they've been doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, it just replaying an event that happened before. Yeah,
so crazy story.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
That was very very good. Story like that like that
a lot cherry. Thanks for thank you very.
Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Much, and you guys, if you have your stories, please
get them in. Be on the Shadows two O seven
at gmail dot com or send them to any of
our socials. We uh would love to have your stories.
We can fight, boys and men.
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, we love to know if you guys could, if
boys and men could beat you? Wanna fight?
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
All right, guys, that's gonna wrap up for this one.
We will catch you in the next one letter. Guys,
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
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As we go beyond the shadows. True crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
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Are just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
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If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
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Do you know what the most in the world is?
On the shuttles where you found me? Yet you can't
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and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
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It won't do you know what the most thing in
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
Hi, and welcome back to Episode one hundred and fifty
five will be on the Shadows.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Welcome back shadow people. First off, we got a new
review from Gabby of from What Is It? Gabby of Wilmington, California.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Thank you Gabby.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, a great review. We really appreciate it, very nice. Yes,
one O two now one O two, so we're safer
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and review us on Apple or Spotify. It really helps
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
Don't know if anybody's noticed, but we just noticed we
are missing an episode on Spotify. If anybody's noticed, we're
aware of it. Don't know what the fuck happen. Episode
ninety six disappeared.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, how do we even get that back?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I have no idea how we go about getting that back.
If you are listening and you're looking forward, it's on
all the other platforms that simply disappeared on Spotify. We're
gonna try to get to the bottom of that. Episode
ninety six.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Which episode? Do you remember what it's.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
About, Keeddy Cabin Murders.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh yeah, I remember. We got a lot of complaints
about that. Everything was pronounced correct. Yeah, they don't like that.
Everybody hates it. When you get all the words right,
I'll say all of them her percent you seventy eight
or higher? Seventy eight percent? All right, what's in the newspell?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So we get another world record. This week, Pearl, a
hen from Texas, turned fourteen. Pearl it became the oldest
living chicken anything birth life span of chickens. But I
would have thought it was higher than fourteen, but apparently not.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
No, nope, I think fourteen's.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Guinness did state that not many people bother filling out
the paperwork. I can't say for sure that Pearl's the
oldest chicken alive, but she is now, she's the record.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
The book says she is. She is.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
She has survived chicken pox, pneumonia, had a leg broken
by a raccoon, and she has arthritis. But she's still
clucking along.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
To my favorite part of that id. Her favorite part
is her best friend is a mop. So obviously Pearl's
eyesight has gone. She's not as sharp as she now.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Every morning she eats cherry, tomatoes, grapes, and Scott said
she snuggles up with her best friend, the mop.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Good for her, Yeah, good for her. So.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
A man in China recently visited a pharmacy in the
yang Dwang province and used his mobile app to pay
the fifteen point eight wand the transaction did not go through,
but by the time the staff figured it out, the
man had already left the store. The store then texted
the phone number that they had on file, but it
turns out that the number was for his wife and
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not him, and she had no knowledge whatsoever of why
he would be purchasing birth control pills, So he had
quite the surprise waiting for him when he got home
out But rather than rather than sacking up and just
admitting he fucked up, he blamed the pharmacy.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was obviously the pharmacy's fault.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The pharmacy ruined his marriage and his relationship with his mistress.
Damn it, so he's suing. He wrote an online post.
My wife now knows everything and two families are on
the brink of disintegration. I want to know, does your
pharmacy bearing.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Responsibility two families family?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I'm gonna go ahead and answer that no.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
No, is this not on them. I'm gonna have to
be on the side of CVS for what.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Just buy some lotion, bro. You know he's trying to like,
oh babe, we can get through this. We'll find another pharmacies.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Get right down the road. I'm not even mad at
you anymore for grew things up with my mistress. I'll
give you another chance.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
So we get a guy who was dining with his
son in a cafe in Los Pallios, Villafranca and Seville, Spain.
They ordered two sandwiches, but when informed that they had
run out of mayonnaise, he was speechless. He stormed out
of the cafe, but returned several minutes later with a
can of gasoline. He sprayed the gas all over the
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bar and set the place on fire. The cafe was
full at the time, but everyone managed to make it
out and staff was able to put out the fire.
After about ten thousand dollars in damages. The only injury
reported was to the dumbass who started the fire first place.
He set his arm on fire. But you know, I mean,
I think if you run out of condiments, you've got to.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, mayonnaise is a key component to a good sandwich.
Options are limited, right, so they're ordering fucking gallons of
mayonnaise right now. Oh for sure he used it to
put up the fire. Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Lastly, we have a drone that crashed into a house
in Hillsboro, Hillsborough County, Florida, at about one thirty am
on August nineteenth. The homeowners retrieved the drone and refused
to hand it over. When forty nine year old Jason
Brooks knocked on their door to collect it, they informed
him that they were calling police, and he patiently waited
outside until the police arrived. When the sheriffs arrived, Brooks
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admitted that it was his drone that had crashed and
he was there to retrieve it. Problem is that there
was a bag hanging from its bottom that had three
smaller bags inside. Excuse me four three bags contained fentanyl
and the fourth contained meth. And he was kind enough
to write the full names of all the drug recipients.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
He didn't want somebody to get order.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
There's enough drugs for everybody. Sorry, we got this when
I land in your yard, take only your drugs.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
What a douchebag. Brooks is a fifteen time felon and
he has been charged with multiple crimes here, including intent
to distribute or deliver it.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I can't see how this guy would get caught fifteen times.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Only fifteen times and give the guy a break.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He didn't even know dude, I got some mixed feelings
about these fucking drones. Man, drones are awesome until they're
fucking in your airspace. And I know, like we had
one flying around this house. Yeah, they did it like
for a week straight, and it was like right outside
the bedroom window. And there's no fucking laws. No.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I specifically looked it up in Maine and the NANO.
No other than you know, federal airspace claws. You're as
far as privacy, there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
We talked to the police and he said, uh, I
can't tell you that you I can't tell you that
you could shoot it down. But he was pretty vague
on it. We had this shotgun ready, we were gonna
blast I would I don't play that shit, man, keep
flying the one in my art I will blast it
out of the sky.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Get some give a shit, you, get some fentoel on it,
call the cops.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
There you go, this is main We all got guns.
We'll just blow it up. What a fucking clown, though,
But he knows what's on board his fucking drone. He
knows the cops a comedy. He patiently waits. Yeah, he
had all the people people's name on it and on
the drone is that property of Tony and get some
of those are four ex customers. Now yeah right, He's like,
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I didn't even know the drugs were on there. Yeah,
somebody snuck them on during a layover. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So that's the news for this week. What do you
got for us?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, this week, I've been doing what I've been wanting
to do for a while. I just hadn't dove into.
Is Bob Lazar?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh nice? Yeah, so he's a legend looking forward to
this one. All right, guys, we'll.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Be right back. Do you know what you know? I
don't normally do this before story, but I'm gonna say
with Bob Lazar, I believe his story. Yeah, and you're
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gonna see when I go through it. There's a lot
of difference stuff where if you really have a hard time,
there's stuff that's happened in his life to make you think, oh,
I don't I'm not buying it. But there's something about
Bob that I truly believe his story. So we'll start,
But I thought i'd throw that out. Bob Lazaar's story
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starts in a place that feels a world away from
the UFO conspiracies. He later ignited born Robert Scott Lazarre
on January twenty sixth, nineteen fifty nine and Coral Gables, Florida.
He grew up in a middle class family, with parents
Albert and Phyllis. Coral Gables was a quiet suburban town
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near Miami, known for its coral rock homes and tree
lined streets, a far cry from the Nevada Desert where
Lazarre would make his name. As a kid, he showed
a knack for mechanics, always taking things apart to see
how they worked. By his teens, he was building traptions
that caught attention, like a jet powered bicycle that roared
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through the streets, a sign of the restless curiosity that
would soon define him. I mean, can you imagine as
a kid having a jet powered bicycle?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No On read.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Sometimes in the Sometime in the early nineteen seventies, the
Lazarre family moved to West Hills, California, a suburb of
Los Angeles tucked against the Santa Susannah Mountains. Bob attended
Pierce College and Woodland Hills for high school, graduating in
nineteen seventy six. His academic record wasn't stellar. He ranked
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in the bottom third of his class. With only one
chemistry course to his name, school didn't seem to hold
his interest, but machines did. He taught himself electronics and propulsion,
spending hours in his garage on projects that pushed boundaries.
In nineteen eighty two, at age twenty three, he made
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headlines for building a jet powered Honda Civic called Jet
You bet the car fitted with a jet engine from
the Air Force Surplus could hit two hundred miles per hour,
earning him a brief moment of local fame. Who would
think that you could buy a jet from Air Force surplus?
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I was in the Air Force. I didn't know you.
I mean maybe a sleeping bag or a parka.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Stuff like the Army Navy store, the Air Force store.
They do some knives and some jet engines.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
The corn just didn't just a fit on your car nicely.
We only got two left. I mean, we've all heard
that story. I don't remember if it's true or not.
I don't know if it's a Darwin Award winner where
you put the US the jets on his car and
into the side of a mountain. I forget that. I
forget the name of those jets. Are boosters for like,
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I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Remember, I've never heard that, but it's probably true.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'mbout to look it up for the next one. Anyways.
The article called him a physicist, a title that would
later fuel debate about his credentials. Lazar's education is where
things get murky. He claimed he earned a bachelor's degree
from UCLA, followed by a master's in physics from MIT
and another in electronics from cal Tech. Impressive credentials for
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a man who later say he worked on alien technology.
But when reporters and researchers like George Knapp and Stanton
Friedman tried to verify these claims, they hit dead ends. UCLA, MIT,
and cal Tech had no record of him on no transcripts,
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no diplomas, not even a mention in yearbooks. Lazar insisted
he attended these schools in the late nineteen seventies and
early nineteen eighties, naming professors like doctor Hausfield at MIT
and doctor Duxler at cal Tech, but no one could
find these instructors. He later claimed the government erased his
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academic records to discredit him after he went public about
Area fifty one. Yeah, this is a big This is
a big debate about him his uh credentials, you know,
whether they were real or not.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But how does a guy, I mean, MIT isn't easy
to get into obviously, so as a guy who ranks
on the bottom third of his class even get considered
for MIT.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Well, I mean, if you did all those other colleges
and stuff first, I mean, I can tell you I
did absolutely horrible in high school. It was just a
lack of giving a shit. Yeah, you know, I was
terrible in high school. But when I went to college, I.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Don't recall you getting in an MIT, right, That's.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Where you're wrong. It's just been erased. They begged me,
and I was like, government, erase that shite. You just
don't know. No, But I mean when I went to college,
I got straight a's because I was paying for it.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
His big difference totally different.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yea, yeah at that part, but now who knows. Skeptics
argue that he never attended these institutions, pointing to his
lackluster high school grades as evidence he wasn't on track
for elite universities. Despite the gap in his academic story,
Lazarre found his way to Los Alamos, New Mexico, in
nineteen eighty two, working at Los Alamos National Laboratory, a
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hub for cutting edge science. He wasn't a physicist, as
he'd later claim, but a technician employed at kirk Meyer,
a contractor supplying support staff. His name appeared in Los
Alamos phone directory, and colleagues remember him as a bright,
if quirky young man with a passion for lasers and
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propulsion systems. While there, he ran a side business called
United Nuclear, selling scientists equipment like Geiger counters and chemicals
Adventure that showed his entrepreneurial streak. He also organized an
event called Desert Blast, a festival of homemade rockets and
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explosion explosives, which hinted at his love for pushing technological limits.
By the late nineteen eighties, Lazarre moved to Las Vegas, Nevada,
setting the stage for the next chapter of his life.
He was married to Carol Strong, his first wife, and
later to Tracy Murk, who stand by him through the
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chaos of his whistle blowing years. I actually had to
go back and double check because his wife comes up
in this that Carol's Strong. I did not know this
was his first wife. She actually died of suicide before
all of this happened. She actually I think it was
carbon monoxide poisoning. So he's actually been married. I had
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to go back and like he's been married three times, gotcha.
The one that we're going to talk about will be
this Tracy and later Tracy Murk who stood by him,
just the one that stood by him through all this.
His early life paints a picture of self taught tinkering
with a knack for mechanics, but a questionable academic trail.
Was he a genius who slipped through the cracks of
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his formal education, or was he just crafting a backstory
to support the later claims. By the late nineteen eighties,
Bob Lazaar had left Los Alamos, New Mexico and landed
in Las Vegas, a city pulsing with neon and mystery,
just miles from the secretive Nellis Air Force Base. I went,
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I've been to Nellis. It's right outside of Las Vegas.
I had to go there for like three months for
we were down there for top Gun, Top Gun and
Jado Jazz, which was in the Air Force's version, if
I got that right. I remember having to go for
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like we're supposed to be there for like every time
you go TDY in the Air Force. Supposed to go
for like a month, you end up there for three.
He was in his late twenties, married to Tracy Murk
and hunting for work that matched his technical skills. Lazarre
wasn't one to sit idle. He'd always been a hands
on guy, tinkering with machines and chasing big ideas. In Vegas,
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he saw opportunity, but nothing could have prepared him for
the call that would change his life. In nineteen eighty eight,
Lazarre said he was contacted by EG and G Special Projects,
a defense contractor tied to classified military work. The call
came out of the blue, and here's where things get intrigued.
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According to Lazarre, someone from EG and G mentioned a
nineteen eighty two newspaper article that had the caught their eye.
One about his jet powered Honda Civic, a beast of
a car that screamed across the desert at two hundred
miles per hour. That car would go two hundred miles
per hour. That's impressive. The article had called him a physicist,
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a title that may have peaud their interest, whether it
was accurate or not. Lazarre claimed this conversation led to
an interview, and soon after he was hired to work
on a project so classified it barely had a name,
just the destination S four S four Levar's, Lazarre said
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was a hidden facility near Area fifty one, tucked into
the Papoose Mountain range, about ten miles south of Groom Lake.
He described being driven to the site in a vehicle
with blacked out windows, the desert stretching endlessly outside. His
job reverse engineering technology that wasn't just advanced, it was otherworldly.
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Lazarre claimed he was brought on to study propulsion systems
of craft that didn't come from Earth. Nine of them
to be exact, housed in hangars carved into the mountain side.
So having been in the Air Force and talking to
people that worked on not alien stuff, but I mentioned
it before I worked with the One of my sergeants
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was he worked on the Stealth the Stealth Fighter before
it came out, And the stuff that Bob Bazaar is
describing here is exactly what he described like. He didn't
go to Area fifty one. He was going as Totem
Paul is where you go out of I remember him
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saying that specifically, and he would go somewhere and basically
work on that aircraft. I was out there, but these
cars and stuff were blacked out windows. There's jets that
are called the Janet. Is a Janet or Janis flights
the same thing. The windows are blacked out. They fly
people out there and fly them back. So many days later,
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he was putting this stuff out before people knew it
was real.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I've seen pictures of the Planger job. Well, there's no
markings on.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
No markings on him. I think they're called the Janet,
Janet flights or Janet flights, just one of the two
doesn't say says it's got like a red stripe and
that's it. They're white with a red stripe. And but
he was telling when he's telling the story, people didn't
know about this stuff. When he told his story, people
barely knew about Area fifty one. It wasn't something that
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he was just out there. You know. It's one of
those things you like, is he full of shit? Well,
he knew a lot of stuff that didn't seem to
make sense that he knew. He said he was given
security clearance, handed briefings that detailed extraterrestrial origins and told
to keep quiet The work was intense. Can part more
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I can't see CAN, compartmentalized and shrouded in secrecy, with
armed guards and strict protocols to ensure no one stepped
out a line. Lazar's role focused on a power source
he'd never seen before, a reactor that defied known physics.
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He described it as compact, generating energy through a process
that he couldn't fully grasp, tied to a substance he
later called element one point fifteen. The crafts themselves were
unlike anything man made, smooth, seamless, and eerily efficient. Lazarre
said he was he was on a one of a
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small team, each member isolated to prevent leaks, but the
weight of what he was seeing, a technology that could
bend gravity itself, was too much to keep inside. This
period in Las Vegas marked a turning point. Lazar wasn't
just a technician anymore. He was, by his account, a
man staring into the abyss of cosmic secrets. So he
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described like that the device's talking about is like a
round It was just like a round ball. It reminds
me of the bet sphere when we talked about Yeah,
a round ball, super dense. It just just like a
flat plate that it would go above. And I remember
him saying, I didn't write it in here specifically, but
I remember him saying that he believed when he was
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brought on he was replacing somebody that was killed because
they were trying to cut one of these things openly
to find out what exactly was inside. And that's what
he believes. That person died during that and he was
brought in to replace them.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So clearly he's not going to try cutting this thing open.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So like all right things to do, cut open from
the line through that one, John says, no, I don't
do that one. But yeah, I mean I remember when
he was talking about it, it reminded me of the
bet sphere because I mean, like the size and what
it was made up of. An ever. Yeah, but that's
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the one thing I'm really curious about because if they
can't cut this op out, I'll get into it later on.
So with arm guards and strict protocols to ensure no
one steps out a line, Lazarre claimed the secrecy of
S four was suffocating. He said his work they're revolved
around analyzing propulsion systems for craft that he that didn't
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follow any rules of Earth's physics. Like I said before,
there was nine vehicles, each distinct, stored in hangars hidden
in the mountain side. He worked specifically on one. He
at some point saw the other ones coming into the hangar.
It wasn't like they were just out there. They said
that they kept it compartment minalized. They kept in people
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like that, so they didn't know what was going on.
They never knew the whole story of what was going on.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, that makes sense to me. I would have found
it more implausible if he said. They had him bouncing
around working out all nine, right, and if you can't
figure out one, why send him to the next one?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Right? So he worked on and I guess more than
one of them had the same propulsion system, you know.
And actually I remember going back and they didn't see
it when I was researching this time, but I where
they came from and stuff like that. One of them,
he said, came from an archaeologial I can't even say
that word. A dig where they were out there digging,
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you know, and they found it in the ground, you know,
operational like it was left here from a long time.
Move on to one of the other ones and cut
that one open. Right, just because it didn't work on
the last one. I do remember. He also said when
they were going through the hangar, like one of the
one of the craft had like a bullet hole through it,
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and he didn't know if it's something that happened. It
looked like a bullet hole had ripped through, just like
the edge of the saucer type thing. He didn't know
if they were testing it or he had no idea
how it got there, but it definitely looked like a
hole that went through the metal.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It could have been flown over somebody's house and farmer
took a shot. Not impossible.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Maybe it was. They thought it was a drone delivering Uh,
they were late right. Heart. The heart of these machines,
according to Lazar, was a compact reactor powered by something
he called element one point fifteen, a substance that generated
energy in ways he couldn't fully explain. It wasn't like
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anything he'd seen at Los Alamos or anywhere else. Just
being near it gave him a sense that humanity was
out of its depth. Lazar said his days at S
four were tightly controlled. He'd be picked up in Las Vegas,
driven through the desert to the site and escorted to
his workstation. The briefings he read, he claimed, went beyond
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tech specs. They hinted at extraterrestrial origins, with reports suggesting
these craft had been studied for years, maybe even decades.
He described one craft, dubbed the Sports Model, as a
sleek saucer shaped thing about fifty two feet wide, with
a smooth metallic surface that seemed to absorb light. Inside
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it was cramped with small seats unfit for humans and
controls that didn't resemble any cockpit he knew. His job
was to figure out how the reactor worked, how it
manipulated gravity to let the craft move silently without jets
or wings, defying everything he thought possible. The work was isolating.
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Lazarre said he was part of a small team, each
member walled off from others to prevent leaks. He catched
glimpses of activity of other scientists and maybe technicians, and
once he claimed a brief site of a small gray
figure in a sealed room guarded by men with gloves.
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So this is he never came out and said what
he saw exactly basically an alien?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Did he say it was alive?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yes, he thought that it was a lie, but he
was just going through seeing this through a small window.
As his claim, that image stuck with him. But when
he was going through these briefings and I remember this
from another he claims that one of them said that
it was from Beta Reticuli, which is a solicis I
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mean a star, But I think it's like thirty seven
or thirty nine light years from here, and that's one
that's particularly known for grays. What's that meters by the way,
that's like it's like sevencent micaverting miles, it's at least nine.
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The secrecy, the strange tech, and the arm escorts, it
all built a pressure he couldn't shake. By early nineteen
eighty nine, Lazarre said he started to question his role.
He wasn't just curious anymore. He felt like he was
carrying a secret too big for one person. The tension
led to a bold move. Lazarre claims he began to
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talk to friends, sharing bits of what he's seen, even
taking a few his wife, Tracy, her sister, and others
to the edge of Area fifty one to watch test
flights of the craft on Wednesday nights. He said the
skies over Groom Lake would light up with strange objects
darting in ways no human craft could. So he not
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only went out there with them, he video recorded it.
And this is one more of the line. I mean,
it's terrible because it's video recorded.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, I've seen the footage.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And you can look at the footage if you guys
want to look it up. But there's definitely something in
the sky flying around very odd. Yeah, and he recorded it.
So these things exist, you know. One of the things.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You're still recording shit at Groom Lake today. I think
the only question is whether they're flying experimental military aircraft
or or alien. I mean, they're definitely flying sho there's
no doubt about that. But what's its origin is the
only question.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, and now and back in these days, you could
get a lot closer to the off bay, should get
a lot closer. They bought up a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Every time somebody finds a really good vantage point, they
made that off limit.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And then there was a mountain somewhere nearby that people
could get up and they could really see down in there,
and they bought that up. So yeah, these outings weren't
exactly subtle either. The word got back to his employers
Lazarre said he was caught, debriefed, and warned to stay silent.
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His security clearance was yanked and his time at S
four ended as quickly as it begun, But the experience
left him rattled and determined to speak out. That's where
the story's eded to next, Lazar's decision to go public,
spilling details of S four, an alien tech to a
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Las Vegas reporter, setting off a firestorm that would make
Area fifty one a household name. Before Bob Lazar, you
did not hear about Area fifty one. This is where
it all started. Lazarre's time at S four, the secretive
facility near Area fifty one, came to a crashing halt
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in the early nineteen eighty nine. He'd been studying propulsion
systems on what he claimed were extracrestrial crafts. Lazarre said
he was hauled in for a debriefing, his clearance revoked,
and his role at S four terminated. Why Bob Blazar
decided to blow the whistle, risking everything to tell the
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world what he saw and how his wife's allegation alleged
affair played a part in the fallout. According to Lazarre,
the loss of his clearance wasn't just because of his
low sweps. He claimed his bosses at S four were
spooked by his personal life, specifically with his wife, Tracy
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Merk was having an extramarital affair. So what he said
is after he was her loose lips, I don't have
a filter, all right, where was I? So? Yeah, actually
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he said that. Uh, he believed after because he was
taking the he was doing those outings and bringing his
friends around, that they were kind of they were worried
about him. So they started capping his phones and stuff,
and that's where they found out Lazar. Security at the
ultra secretive facility was paranoid about any any instability that
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could compromise their operation. They believe Tracy's relationship with another
man made Lazarre a risk, fearing he might be distracted
or worse, succeptible to leaking secrets under emotional strain. He
said they had his home bugged, picking up conversations that
confirmed the affair, and that was enough to pull the
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plug on his access. Whether this was the real reason
or a convenient excuse, Lazarre felt the walls closing in,
convinced he was being watched, his life unraveled under the
weight of the S four secrecy. Fearing for his safety
and frustrated by the loss of his job, Wazar decided
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he couldn't stay silent. In May nineteen eighty nine, he
reached out to George Knapp, an investigative reporter at KLAS
TV and Las Vegas. Now we mentioned George Knapp on here.
I have for sure quite a few times if you
go into anything that's being released him in uh Coudrey
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and I another, is that right, I'll get it to him.
They're the ones releasing a lot of the UFO stuff today.
But I mean, so George Knapp was he did his interview,
and I think I can't remember exactly. I'm pretty sure
Bob Blazar when I heard his story was on Art Bell.
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I'm pretty sure after I think, because George Knapp did
stuff on Art Bell's show, I'm pretty sure Bob Blazaar
was one of the first guests that he brought on there.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I think I think the first time I heard of
Bob Blazar was Unsolved Mysteries. I believe I might be
talking out of my ass, but.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That might be. I mean, this was right in that prime,
This is right in that time when he came out.
You know, when he came out, it was huge. It
was huge, It was all over. So at first he
insisted on being anonymous, using this the synonym Dennet, to
shield himself from the fallout he expected at all the
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names hum with Dennis. In a shadowy interview, his face obscured,
Lazarre dropped a bombshell. He worked at S four, a
hidden site Southavaria fifty one where the US government was
reverse engineering nine alien air spacecraft. So in the interview,
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he described the sports model, a saucer shaped craft with
a reactor powered by element one point fifteen, capable of
bending gravity to move in ways no human technology could match.
He says some crafts were intact, others were being dismantled
for study, and he read briefings hinting of extraterrestrial contacts
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stretching back thousands of years. It was a story so
wild it could have been ripped from a sci fi script,
but Lazarre delivered it with calm, matter of fact conviction.
The interview aired on May twenty fourth, nineteen eight. It
sent shockways through Las Vegas and beyond. Now. I don't
know if you've seen this have you seen his original interview.
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There's one where he's all it's all dark, like he's
going by Dennis in their interview. But you could totally
tell us Bob Bazar if you were, if you knew
Bobby'd be like, that's Bob, and there was no real
disguises anything. Dennis. No, it can't be. It can't be Bob.
He says, his name is Dennis. But yeah, you could
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definitely tell. Area fifty one at this time was barely
a blip on public's radar before it had Now it
had become a household name. Lazare soon shed his Dennis alias,
appearing as himself in follow up interviews with George Knapp.
Area fifty one, a military based barely anyone talked about before,
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became a magnet for UFO enthusiasts, conspiracy buffs, and curious tourists.
Lazarre told NAP he went in public because he feared
for his safety after losing his S four clearance. He
claimed the government was scrubbing his past, erasing job records
in education history to discredit him, leaving him no choice
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but to speak out. His story was bold, detailed, and
to many, too outlandish to believe without proof. Skeptics came
hard and fast. No documents backed up the Lazarre's time
at s four, no co workers stepped forward. An element
one fifteen, unknown to science in nineteen eighty nine, sounded
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like pure fiction. Ufologist Stanton Friedman called him a fraud,
pointed to inconsistencies like his unverified degrees, but supporters like
Napp argued that the story stayed consistent, and the two
thousand and three discovery of element one fifteen later named
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Moscow Vinnie gave him pause, even if the lab version
decayed too fast to match Lazarre's claims. So in two
thousand and three they discovered this element one point fifteen
that Bob had been talking about. Bob had said that
that's what powered the whole thing, and everybody thought he
was full of shit. But when they're doing their studies,
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they found out it's real. Now it's not stable, it's
not a stable version of it. I learned just not
that long ago that there's a lot of different elements
that have stable versions and unstable versions of the same element.
I think this is how I researching this one. But yeah,
so this is some of the stuff that came forward
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after the fact.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You know, it's hard to disprove people that know stuff
like that beforehand.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
If you listened to Bob.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Was both his element not a big periodic table.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Guy?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Is element one fifteen the very next one that wasn't known?
I say, we're up to one fourteen.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
No, I don't think so, because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I mean, I don't possibly just made up the next one.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Okay, let's not just show how ignorant we are. You
don't know that.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Everybody knows the basics. I don't know exactly how many
are on the fuck I.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Don't know either.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
It would be a little more, a little less like
mind blowing if there were one hundred and fourteen. No, no,
he just picked the next one.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's not the next one that I'm aware of. I'll
have to look it up though. That's it's actually a
good question. But yeah, later on, it's been proven. It's
been proven that it can exist, at least in at
least in an unstable form. Where was I then? In
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nineteen ninety, Lazar's credibility took a hit when he was
arrested for felony pandering tied to a Las Vegas prostitution ring.
He pled guilty, got probation and called it a misunderstanding,
but it gave critics more fuel. Wazar didn't back down.
He said he's seen test flights of the craft, knew
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the tech inside and out, and even hinted at smuggling
a spec of element one point fifteen, though he never
showed it. So this is something I was completely unaware
of until like maybe a year or two ago. I
saw the I saw the interviews and stuff because I
think I was listening to our bell. Yeah, and I uh,
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it may have even been after like a year, a
couple of years after. I think it was when I
was in there, yeah for sure. But so I hadn't
heard about this prostitution thing. So I dug into. I
dug in to find out what that was all about.
So Bobby, he decided, is in Vegas. You know, there
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was apparently a prostitute that he used to go to.
This is after his wife was shooting on We'll give
him the benefit of the doubt. Ah, and uh, this
prostitute he started booking her clients for her, and he
like put it all onto a comput.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Bobby's a pimp.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, Well, Bobby was smart. He's running a computer. So, yeah,
Bobby was. He claims that he was just organizing her
business for her. So he was taking fifty percent.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Off the top.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
That's what will Ferrell claimed.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
In the other guys she.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Were pimp No, yeah, so he uh, he was taking
like fifty percent off the top. And he like had it.
He was right now out. He had all the people's names,
their video of you know, he had he had it
all set up. He said he was just helping out
a friend.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
He had to have a cooler street name than bub
right Dennis.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Does he get much cooler than Dennis? Yeah, So he
claimed harassment followed. He had. He claims FBI raids, phone taps,
and threats that kept him on the edge, carrying a
gun for protection. By the early nineteen nineties, he moved
move to rural New Mexico. Later he was already carrying, right, yeah,
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every now and then, who gets out of Oh if
you guys, I guarantee you most of you have seen
Bob Bazaar. But if you haven't, this is the last
guy in the world you'd ever picture. He's a skinny
Scarannie little nerd. You know. He says it was a
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misunderstanding and I'm sure Bob's right. I'm going to give
him the benefit of the doubt on that. So he
moved to New Mexico in later Oregon. Stepping away from
the UFO spotlight, he focused on a quiet life running
a science supply business, but his story kept growing, fueled
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by a public hungry for answers about Area fifty one.
The legacy of those nineteen eighty nine interviews is undeniable.
Lazarre put Area fifty one on the map. It's fucking
decades of speculation, from UFO document documentaries to the twenty
nineteen Storm Area fifty one internet craze. Do you remember that? Yeah?
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I do. Everybody's gonna get They're gonna go and they're
gonna storm Area fifty one. It was like what a
million people like, let's do it, and like nine show.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
There's even like a little special about that on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Right, I think there's a documentary on the I haven't
watched it yet, No me either, but I mean I
there was hardly anybody that showed up for it. Everybody's
like you're longestly illegal, Like you're gonna get shot on site.
They have signs all over the fucking fence It reminds
me of a I don't know who the comedian was.
It's like, we're gonna go next door and we're gonna
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take over the casino. And they're like yeah, and he's like,
now some of us will die. Oh, and that's just it.
Some of you will die if you're gonna storm Area
fifty one.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
I get to pe show up fucking immediately. I've seen
videos of people going where you're allowed to go, but
they'll follow you, like along the fence line. They're not
fucking around. They got sensors that place.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
It's no wired, it's no joke.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
And they've got they've got shoot to kill authority. You've
crossed the fence here, yep.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
And I've watched a lot of videos of people just
seeing how close they could get and they're riding their
like motorcycles in the dirt bikes or whatever. And uh,
people who show up, they're not I mean, they could
be military. They look like military. There's no there's no
definable branch, there's no definable name or you know, you
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don't know a rank anything like that. It's just it's BDUs.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
They show they show up immediately, they show up until
you cross the line. They stay off in the distance,
but they monitor everything.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Sometimes they'll let you see them, let you know that
they're there. But there's other ones around you that you
don't know about. So yeah, it's no joke, all right?
Where was I? Whether he was a whistleblower exposing cosmic
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secrets or storyteller riding a wave of intrigue, his claim
changed how we talk about UFOs. In nineteen eighty nine,
when he first mentioned it on KLASTV, element one fifteen
didn't exist on the periodic table, just a wild idea
for a man already under fire for his unproven credentials.
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He described it as a stable, super heavy element that
fueled the Sports Model reactor, bending gravity, allowing the craft
to dance through the sky. Fast forward to two thousand
and three and Russian scientists synthesized element one fifteen, naming
it mosconium mosconveum to catch it decayed within milliseconds. This
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is what we already said, this, noting nothing like the
stable isotope Lazar said could power a UFO. Still, the
fact he named it years before its discovery kept believers
shook hooked, while skeptics called it a lucky guess or
clever sci fi. Lazar insisted stable versions existed hidden in
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secret labs, but he never produced a sample. The debate
over Element one point fifteen only deepened and divided over
Lazar's stories. Supporters pointed to the consistency of decades of
interviews from Nap in eighty nine to Joe Rogan in
twenty nineteen. I didn't realize it was woo six years
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ago when he went on Rogan where he stuck to
the same details, the reactor, the gravity waves, the craft,
the eerie maneuvers. They saw vindication in the Navy UAP
footage from two thousand and four, like the tic Tac incident,
showing objects moving in ways that echoed Lazar's claim. Sorry.
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The claim that Lazarre had was these crafts like the
sports model, you expect like UFO to fly like two
I mean your typical UFO, and what he's talking about
is like two pipe plates, you know, one on top
of the other kind of thing, and you expected to
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fly sideways. Lazar always claimed that the bottom it turned
sideways and the bottom of the UFO is what how
it flew like that pulled forward like that's where it
was manipulating gravity from the bottom of the craft. And
they say when they're moving slow, they actually wobble. And
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this is all proven on the tic TAC videos. Is
that's how they're flying the way that Bob claimed that
they flew. So, I mean the element one fifteen didn't exist,
it does exist. The aircraft flown. Everyone else is claiming
that these sausages fly a certain way. This is how
Bob says they actually fly by seeing the craft and
being on it, and that's how they show up in
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the tic TAC video. You know, So a lot of
the stuff Bob said it's coming out turning out down
the road to be true.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, I just looked it up. By the way, there's
one hundred and eighteen elements on them. Don't know when
they would discover, but there's under and eighteen total as
of today.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Oh okay, but they're not all in order. You might
have I think like maybe there's one fifteen, but they
might already know one eighteen. This space is this gaps
in there. I do know that. Critics, though they hammered
the lack of evidence, no S four documents, no co workers,
no Element one fifteen samples, just his word UFO ologists.
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Stanton Friedman called them a fabricator, arguing a technician with
no verified degrees couldn't have access to such secrets. The
nineteen ninety pandering conviction didn't help, obviously, It did not
help penning Lazarre as a hustler to some. After the
media storm, Lazar's life got quieter, but never normal. He
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claimed ongoing harassment, FBI visits, bugged phones, even a bullet
shattering his car's window in the early nineteen nineties. He
insisted he never profited from his claims, saying he just
wanted the truth out. In twenty eighteen, Jeremy Corbell, That's
what I was trying to say earlier. Jeremy Corbel, he
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works with NAP and they're the ones that keep releasing
a lot of stuff. That Jellyfish UFO stuff was one
that they released. I think the Tic Tac also. But anyways,
Corbel did a documentary about Bob. It's called Bob Lazar,
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Area fifty one and Flying Saucers. It's on Netflix. It's
a it's a really good documentary. He watched that one
if you haven't. But this brought him back into focus,
showing a man still haunted by what he's seen or
said he seen. He stuck to his story even as
the FBI raided his business in twenty seventeen, supposedly looking
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for records but leaving empty handed. So once again, in
twenty seventeen, the FBI raided his house. If everything he
says is bullshit, and this is provable that the FBI
raided his house, why are they raiding his house if
everything he said is bullshit? Right, the FBI is there, like,
we gotta find out how Bob is keeping these hose.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Straight tax evation on his pinpit.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
But yeah, I mean he was talking. I remember him
talking to Rogan about it and about how when he
was making the documentary with Jeremy that he was raided
by the FBI. What did claim And what people say
is they believe that he had a sample of that
one point fifteen and that's what they're looking for. So
they went through his they went through his lab, they
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went through his house, they went through everything. Several times.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
I gues, he's obviously not saying, but does Bob glame
he still has it?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Bob I listened to an interview where early on they
asked him about it, and he said no comment. He
didn't say no.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
If he thought enough to take it, he didn't just
get rid of it, right.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
I mean, if you were around that stuff, how tempting
would it be to take something like that? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Depends on how radioactive it is.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
It depends it's the right shoe or the left he grow.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
He's trying to grow a second penis and get his
wife back.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
I got something for you. I will give up all
these prostitutes, all right. The Pentagon's twenty twenty one UAP
report admitting unexplained aerial phenomenon were real and understudy, gave
Lazarre's tale new life. Journalism journalist argued he deserved a
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second look, while skeptics pointed to gaps like a suppose
vial of element one point fifteen that turned out to
be commercial silicon. In twenty nineteen, during the viral storm
Area fifty one, crazel Czar distanced himself on Instagram, saying
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s four secrets were likely gone, moved to another black site,
and a lot of people believe that because Area fifty one,
everybody knows it exists. Yeah, and guess what if everybody
knows it exists everybody satellite is over that picking up
whatever they want. You know, every country's got satellites up
there they could see. So, I mean it only makes sense.
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Some people believe there's some secret bases in the mountains
in Colorado and up obviously all over the place.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'm sure there's more than one.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Oh, I bet we have time. There's so many stories
about underground military bases.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, it's not just an American thing. They're everywhere.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
No, And I don't remember there was that watch that
recorded your I think I talked about it in one
of the stories once. There's a watch that records recorded
you when you exercise, and it put the stuff onto
the internet and everybody could see, you know, the track
that you had taken. Oh, he ran this route, and
it would mark it out and it. Soldiers had these
(52:13):
watches on when they're exercising in the facility and it's
showing up on the ground. It was showing up in
a spot where there's nothing, you know, like that, they
were running around under in an underground facility. So and
how true that, I mean I read an article about that.
Sound solid.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I mean, yeah, it's inevitable that technology is not only
an advance but it's going to shoot itself in the foot,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Oh absolutely. I mean if you go into place like that,
you think you probably aren't allowed anything.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
No, and you think they'd have a way to just
just shut it down even if you don't take it.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you're that far underground.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Tinfoil wrapped the whole facility or whatever.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
You know, whatever whatever it is that works. But his
story still fuels debate. Was he a whistleblower, humanity's biggest secret,
or storyteller who tapped into our fascination with the unknown?
Lazarre claims reshape Ufo culture, making Area fifty one a
(53:12):
symbol of hidden truth, whether you see him as a
hero or a hoax. His tales linger a shadow cast
across the desert, daring us to wonder what's out there.
And that's my story. I'm Bob Blazaar.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
So it's a good one. First twelve And I said,
don so what do you think?
Speaker 1 (53:34):
I Like I said at the beginning, I believe. I
believe Bob. There is some questions. I mean, more stuff
has come up lately that makes me question some of it.
But there's other stuff that's come up, Like he knew
this shit ahead of time. Yeah, you know the one
fifteen he said, ahead of time? Where did you just
(53:54):
pull he? You know, like he's saying they call him
a physicist, and they're saying he has no education. And
if you listen to him talk and describe this stuff
and talk about science, the dude has an education. You
know it. If he didn't go to those colleges, it's
not showing that he went to any other, but he
has an education. He's he's no dummy, he's crazy intelligent.
(54:16):
So perhaps he learned it on his own, but it
sure seems like he has education. They claim that he
wasn't at Los Alamos at one point, and he shows
up in the directory. They're like, no, he didn't work here,
yet his name is in the directory. It would be
really hard to scrub. You know, when you hear things
like well, he claimed this instructor and this instructor and
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they have no info on the in who the instructors are.
I mean, it's one thing to say, you know, Bob
didn't exist. This is one guy in the class. Nobody remembers.
His name's Ryan.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Or that was usually.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
It wasn't there, but no, I mean, it'd be hard
to erase that stuff. The government's not I don't see
the government being beyond it.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
So his story is very plausible to me. I don't
laugh at a story at all. The education I do
is a red flag for me, a guy who had
bottom third of his class. I think him getting an
MIT is a fucking stretch. Doesn't mean it didn't happen,
but I find that to be a stretch. They don't
let anybody in, like you've got to be top of
the top to get in there. So not impossible, implausible.
(55:26):
His actual work story in the craft and what he
was reverse engineering, I don't find any major holes in that.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
I mean so, I've heard other stories where Bob people
have said that he did working this place, But the
job that he's claiming he had isn't the job that
he had, Like he had a lot lower level.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
He replaced the urinal case. No, I reverse engine the
urinal case.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
You just think those things are pink. That's element one sixteen.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
I cut one and a half.
Speaker 1 (55:58):
I'm still here. No, But I mean, uh, he knew,
he knew how the craft flew, he knew a lot
of stuff, and he described the craft as being like
one piece of metal, you know, like it was formed
or whatever. It wasn't something we were capable of doing
back then. Now they can print, the three D printers
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could do what those aircraft are made on them. Yeah,
so that technology is possible.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
So if he's a fraud, he's a really good guessing
fraud because he predicted a lot of shit that didn't
exist when he began predicting it.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
I don't think he's a fraud. I think some aspects
of his story might be made up. Maybe he's entirely yeah, embellished,
or maybe well, who are you going to listen to
some clown who barely graduated high school or an MIT graduate.
He might have embellished to give himself some credibility who
the fuck knows for to get these jobs in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yeah, maybe he was lying.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
He wouldn't be the first one to make up a transcript.
That's happened all the time. It doesn't mean everything that
happened after the fact is a lie. Right, problem is
that he can backtrack on those stories. If that's what happened,
he can't now come clean and like, okay, I didn't
go to MIT because the rest of his story unravels.
He's got to stick with it.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Now right now. Where I was way back in the
day when I first heard the story, I was one
hundred percent Bob's telling the truth. You know, this shit's real.
I believe him. And then as time gouds things have
popped up that I was completely unaware of. The prostitution
thing means nothing to me. I don't care about what
I don't think it changes whether it's true or not.
(57:30):
It just shows that Bob does have a shady side. Yeah,
but uh, who doesn't, right, But I don't know. I've
there's I have a little more doubt than I used to,
But I still put Bob at a seven or eight
on a scale of one to ten.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
I'd put him on a solid six. I believe it
more than I don't.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, it that way. Yeah, And uh, Joe Rogan's a
pretty big skeptic on stuff, and I can tell I've
heard him talk about him a lot on different episodes
and when he did the episode with him, and he
believes it. He believes him. He thinks that he's pretty credible.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
And if Bob's a liar, he's a convincing lie.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, he's very good. He doesn't seem like he's trying
to sell the story really hard.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
He doesn't seem like he's making it up on the fly.
Somebody's lying. They just seem like they're inventing the story
as they go.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
But Bob, either he's really well practiced or when he's
talking about it, he knows what he's talking about. You know,
he knows the facts. He knows the science behind the facts.
You know. So if he if he is a fraud,
he did a lot of research and studying to be one.
So yeah, nicely done.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
But writ in on Spotify under the episode, guys, let
us know what you think about Bob.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Was he legit?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Was he not? Any thoughts, comments, questions we'd love to
hear from you.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah. Absolutely. So that's going to wrap it for that.
We're going to head it over to the fire pit.
We'll catch over there. I don't think you can't. Wow,
(59:09):
that wasn't the firepit song. I don't think they could either.
You know, they can't. If you guys, you guys know
where that comes from. Put it on the Spotify.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
That's a call back to it. This is a story
behind that.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
If you've been listening since the beginning, you definitely know
the story. Let us know if you know.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Where it came from. This week's fire pit comes to
us from Sherry. Many years ago, I rented a house
that had a certain energy to it. Was it haunted?
Not sure? Was there something lingering within the walls that
I called home? I think so. Over the years, unexplained
things happened as sure as a clock keeps time. The
(59:53):
cat would stare at the walls and move his eyes
across the wallpaper, as if he was following something only
he could see. After finishing a light shift, I came home,
exhausted and fell into bed. Soon after, I heard the
buzz of the dryer downstairs go off, signaling that the
cycle was complete. Curious, I went down to the basement
to find that the dryer was empty and cold to
(01:00:14):
the touch. On another day, while vacuuming the living room,
the ornament that was sitting on top of the TV
televisions were big back then, flew across the room. An
odd thing about this house was that the basement had
a cement floor, but only covering three quarters of the space.
That left a large area covered by dirt. Why they
(01:00:35):
never finished the entire basement was odd. It was so
rough a person could dig large holes on this side
of the house if they wanted. The space was at
least equivalent to the size of a storage shed. We
hung a couple curtains across the gap so we didn't
have to think about the reasons why or what may
have happened in the past. Then one night I was
(01:00:57):
in a deep sleep when I heard heavy footsteps that
woke up. The sound was coming from either the back
porch or from the basement. The two were so close
together that I couldn't tell the exact location. I sat
right up in bed, listening as the sounds of the
person's heavy steps came closer and moved down the hall
towards my bedroom. This was a time when I never
(01:01:17):
locked my doors at any time, day or night. I
thought my luck had finally run out, as someone was
in my house with bad intentions. When the man finally
appeared in the doorway of my bedroom, I wished it
had been a regular robber. This man was see through.
Almost pixelated is the best I can describe his appearance.
(01:01:38):
He was pointing at my bedroom window at the house
across the street. He had black hair that was slicked
back with hair oil, as was common in the day.
He wore a denim work shirt that was buttoned all
the way. He wore a belt in dark blue work pants.
The rest of him below the knee was not there.
This is where the apperation's image stopped. He stood pointing,
(01:02:01):
not saying anything, before he just completely disappeared. I did
some research on previous owners of the house using a
reverse directory. I located my address in the book. From there,
it provided the names and occupations of the occupants for
the year that the directory was published. We called this
a Henderson directory. It was better than Facebook creeping in
(01:02:23):
its day. There was a former resident who worked for
the city as a streetcar mechanic. Considering the clothes he
was wearing, I think this may have been him. After
listening to your show, I have come to accept that
he was the type of ghost to a suck who
excuse me, is stuck in a repetitive loop. Strange things
happened right up to the day I moved out, but
I never again saw this figure. One night, at an
(01:02:47):
after work function, my coworkers and I started to talk
about all the things paranormal and downright weird. A real
firepit type situation one co worker had lots of stories
about a house in her neighborhood growing up that freaked
out all the kids living in the area. She said,
even at Halloween, kids would go not go anywhere near
the place. As the evening wrapped up, she offered to
(01:03:08):
give me a ride home. On the way, she would
take a drive by your old neighborhood and show me
the house. We drive for a while, chatting away. When
she pulls up in front of a house and stops
the car. I had my hand on the door handle
and the door cracked open. When she tells me to
wait and that she will drive the rest of the
way home. This was the house featured in her stories.
I was gobsmacked. I turned her and said, it's okay,
(01:03:31):
val I live here. The house you've been telling stories
about is my house. Not long ago, this house caught
fire in the middle of the night and burned to
the ground. That is probably a good thing. I hope
whatever spirit or spirits were there have found peace in
the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Sherry, WHOA, that's a wow, crazy story.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
That's a very crazy story. That's a really good story.
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
After it really is. She Bright's really good.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Really well written. Ah Any ups and that story were
on me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah much. No, but uh, she also sent a PDF,
which is amazing. She's the only person that has ever
sent a PDF, which is makes it so much easier.
It goes right to the printer. No, appreciate that story.
That was awesome so very much. I mean a full
body that's well, it's really close to being a full
body apparition.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Yeah, I would pretty much consider that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah, and uh, residual like she said, and like it's
repeat stuck in the cycle. That would be more of
a residual heart.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I think, so absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
And uh, what the hell's a pointing that? Though? What's
the point that would drive me crazy? I'd be looking
out the window constantly.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
He wants her to know something.
Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, that's what it seems like. But if he's interacting,
if he's actually interacting with her though, that's not a residual.
Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
No, it's not. But maybe they've been doing that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, it just replaying an event that happened before. Yeah,
so crazy story.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
That was very very good. Story like that like that
a lot cherry. Thanks for thank you very.
Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Much, and you guys, if you have your stories, please
get them in. Be on the Shadows two O seven
at gmail dot com or send them to any of
our socials. We uh would love to have your stories.
We can fight, boys and men.
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, we love to know if you guys could, if
boys and men could beat you? Wanna fight?
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
All right, guys, that's gonna wrap up for this one.
We will catch you in the next one letter. Guys,
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