September 12, 2025 • 54 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
dark tales and paranormal mysteries.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
As we go Beyond the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation and
all the like are.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Do you know what the most in the world is?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Beyond the shuttles where you found me at You can't
see me in the deepest blacks when your heart starbus
and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
that you wyd at track for the defense be where
the actions at. So this enough you want it, UFOs,
all them ghosts. We got everything that you want.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It won't do you know what the most thing in
the world is?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hey, everybody, and welcome back to episode one hundred and
fifty seven of Beyond the Shadows.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Welcome back, Shadow people.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So there's a newly released video this week of a
US Reaper drone off the coast of Yemen. I don't
know if you guys have seen that yet.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, this was from came straight out of a congressional hearing.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yep, it's another one of those whistleblowers.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yes, yea.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So it was recorded October of last year, so it's
almost a year old if you haven't seen it. It's
a US hell fire missile striking a an orb a
UFO that's what they're calling it because that's what it is.
And the health fire missile doesn't explode. It changes direct changed.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, its just like kind of bounces off. It doesn't explode.
That's not what a hell fire missile does. And the
object that it hit was knocked into like three or
four pieces, but the pieces continue to travel with it. Yeah,
it remight be like it's like I don't know, like
slime or something, you know, and it's you know how
like the blob you rip it apart and like the
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two exists. That's what it was like. It's it's like
they knocked pieces off of it and it continued on
the exact same path.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It was nuts.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It made me think of like a flock of birds,
like how they always seem to know what every other
bird is going to do, Like when one moves. They
all fucking move. It's crazy. Yeah, that's what that did.
It's it's like an intelligent.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, I mean, what what the fuck is that? It makes?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hit it? A couple of pieces came off.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
The missile was just redirected. Whatever it was, it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Ricocheted off the side, and then those things just continue
they like move around almost like information and follow the
object the pieces. Unreal, whatever the hell it is. I
had no idea.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's crazy video.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean, yeah, it's a UFO. Say it's alien. What
the fuck is it? Is that all organism that's alive?
Is it a fucking UFO?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You're not supposed to know?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I guess not. Man, it's baffling.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You've already said too much. The men in black cou
I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I haven't seen a video. Don't watch it. So anyways,
what do we got in the news this week? Pal?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So? We get a child in Shanghai, China that has
yet to be issued a birth certificate nor scheduled for
any vaccinations. And this is a full year after the
kid was born. Yes, the reason is because the parents
cannot agree on a name. A year later, a year.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Later, they still can't come together on the name, and
they were doing some ship to try to name the
kid too, but one over the.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Other, so they're actually getting divorced at this point, the
logical step divorced. Each one of them went to the
hospital separately without the other one, trying to get their
name on the on the documentation, and the hospital is like, no,
it doesn't work that way down So as right now,
the kid's name is still like right name here, you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Know, Yeah, baby baby boy do or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's what he's gonna be listed on like the divorce documents.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, baby boy.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
He can figure out where Baby Boy's gonna live.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And Baby Boy just dropped his first.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Album Magic getting divorced over that, right, I mean, obviously
they had to be deeper problems if that's what broke it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Where was this? I forget Shanghai. I mean maybe it
must be more important to them, probably for the name.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's one of the few things we did agree on.
Normal people agree on the name and then get divorced
over everything.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, right name was the only thing we agreed.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's the way it's done here. So we have an
eighty year old woman in Japan. She recently met and
fell in love with an astronaut online.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
He apparently worked for a space agency and was stuck
on a spacecraft that was orbiting Earth. So when he
contacted herd that his spacecraft was quote under attack and
he was running low on oxygen, please send help. There
was only one thing that could save him. If she
could be so kind as to just depause a sixty
eight hundred dollars electron electronically into a series of bank accounts,
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he would be able to purchase the oxygen he needed
to return home. Oh phew, she didn't sniff this out.
She sent him the money. But thank god he got
the oxygen.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, I mean he saved his life. They're gonna get
Without her, the dude would have been done for.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
How did he purchase the oxygen? He just hit up
a convenience store up in space.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's exact Amazon, I think. So.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, she's getten scammed.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
If you read through that article, She's not the first
person to fall for this exact same Nope, another aster Yeah,
the other one was an asteroid. This guy's running low
on oxygen, but another guy had to be saved from
an asteroid, and please send cash. My shields are low. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Police in Germany were called to an apartment building in Schwabach,
Bavaria by concerned residents. Doorbells all over the complex were
ringing in the middle of the night and no one
was sure who was outside what was going on. So
they were thinking it was like a organized thieves. Yeah,
it was either some kids actual thieves. I didn't know
what the hell was going on, but it was happening
all over the complex.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
The most concerning part to them was that when everybody
went to their doorbell cams, there was nothing there, but
the doorbells were going off. So police respond off ghost
without a doubt, it's getting spooky season yep. So police
come out in mass, guns drawn all that ship and
the mysterious intruder.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Was a slug, so they put six slugs in him.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
They tasted it was a big ass, slimy slug crawling
across the doorbell panel. He was just setting them.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
All Off's that would scare the ship out of you.
If you're looking out the door.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And there's nothing there. Yeah, right as you're looking out,
there's nothing there and the doorbell's going off.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What the fuck have some of these people send us
a fire pit about how their doorbell was going on
by itself.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I don't know why that one amusing the shit out.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, me too, me too.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's it for the news. What do you got going
on this week?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So I am doing a mountain of mystery. I don't
know if you guys have heard of Mountaineer, but seems
like a whole lot of people like to go missing
on Mountaineer. So we're going to talk about that, all.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Right, looking forward to it. We are right back. Do
you know what the world is?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
All right? Before I get started, a few things about mountaineer.
Mountaineer is known for having a large amount of UFO activity.
That's one of the things. And there's a conspiracy that's
kind of tied that people believe is tied to some
of This is one that I don't know if you've
heard this, but like some people believe that Eisenhower claimed
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that that he secretly met with aliens at Edward Air
Force Base in nineteen fifty four and signed a pack
which allowed them to actually abduct folks from national parks
like like Rinier or Yosemite or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And this, I mean, there's no hard proof of it.
There's a whole story. I think I was listening to
all things outrageously dark, scary, beautiful. Yeah, I think that
she did something else. She did a lot of conspiracies, Kelly,
and I think she talked.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
About it, but home state.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah. So anyways, there's a I'm gonna have to look
into that. It could be a good, good episode. But anyways,
there's there's no hard proof of it. But there's something
that calls like a template. It's like a missing four
to eleven template. There where certain people that they think
that fell under this. They have certain things that happen
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like an I'll kind of go through it in the
story a little bit, but just so you if you
hear the four eleven three, that's what I'm talking about,
all right. Mount Rainier looms over Washington State. It's fourteen
thoy four hundred and ten foot peaked, a beacon of
beauty and danger. The volcanic giant draws climbers, hikers, and
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dreamers to his trails, but for some, it's a place
where journeys end mysteries. Since records begin, over four hundred
people have gone missing at Mount Rainier National Park without
many without explanation.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That seems astronomically a huge amount.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think it's four hundred and change. Their fate swallowed.
Some people were possibly swallowed by glaciers, lost in the forest,
or maybe even something stranger. From nineteen ninety nine to
twenty twenty, these individuals experienced climbers, season hike and ordinary
visitors disappeared on trails, peaks, and even near park boundaries.
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A climber unclipped his rope at thirteen thoy nine hundred feet.
A professor vanished on the popular Loop, leaving a single
water bottle. Years later, three men cars were found abandoned
by the same bridge. Nobodies, no traces despite massive searches.
So we're going to go through some of the different
cases of people who disappeared. First off, we get the
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disappearance of Eric Lewis July first, twenty ten. On July first,
twenty ten, Eric Lewis, a fifty seven year old experienced
climber from Deval, Washington, vanished while ascending Mount Rainier via
the Gibraltar Ledge Route. Lewis, accompanied by climbing partners Don
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Storm Junior and Trevor Lane, begin the ascent early that morning.
The group aimed to some at the fourteen thy four
hundred and ten foot peak, a challenging climb requiring technical
skills and endurance. Lewis was known for his climbing experience,
having tackled other peaks in the Cascades. The team was
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roped together for safety, a standard practice in high altitude
mountaineering to prevent falls into crevasses or down steep slopes.
You call crevasses or crevices. They're crevasses, right, Crevis, We're
going with trevasse. I'm pretty sure that's right. At approximately
thirteen nine hundred feet near the summit, storm and Lane
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paused to rest in deteriorating weather conditions characterized by high
winds and low visibility due to the clouds. You're up
that high man, you're in the clouds, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah. Literally.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Lewis was at the end of the rope a short
distance behind. When the pair pulled on the rope to
check his position. They retrieved only a coil with a
butterfly knot, indicating Lewis had unclipped himself moments earlier. They
believed they had seen him through the fog, though visibility
was poor, no sound of distress or evidence of a
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fall were reported. The sudden absence of Lewis prompted an
immediate call for help. A search operation began that day,
involving over forty personnel, including climbing rangers, ground teams, and
a Chinook helicopter for aerial support. The search focused on
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Gibraltar's Ledge and the surrounding areas, including potential crevasse zones
and avalanche prone slopes. On July third, searchers located Lewis's
backpack in a snow cave at approximately thirteen thousand, six
hundred feet, roughly three hundred feet below his last known location.
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The cave appeared intentionally dug, possibly for shelter, and contained
Lewis's gear, including clothing and food supplies. No footprints, blood,
or other traces were found. The search continued until July fourth,
where it was scaled back due to hazardous conditions and
lack of additional evidence. Eric Lewis's body was never recovered
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and his remains listed as missing. The official theory poses
that Lewis sccumbed to an accident, likely disoriented by the
white out conditions in high altitude. Hypothermia or altitude sickness
could have impaired his judgment, leading him to unclip from
the rope. But you would think if someone was to
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uncliped from a rope, that we're having those kind of
issues in your tethered to them, you'd know it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You'd think you would feel the lack of.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
If someone's freaking out or they're having that kind of
stuff going on. You would think you would think you'd
feel him on hook. You know, if you get a rope,
if it's I don't know how much slack is in it,
but you would think you could feel that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I would imagine if the wind was aling and stuff,
who knows.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, that's true. The weather was getting shitty, so leading
him to unclip from the rope, perhaps to a just
gear or seek shelter. But he's gonna go seek shelter
without even telling the people above him. All it takes
is a tug on that rope to let him know.
Or maybe he fell into a hidden crevice. Mount Rainea's
glaciers are riddled with crevasses some hundreds of feet deep,
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capable of concealing a body indefinitely. Avalanches common on Gibraltar's
ledge could have buried him this. No fresh debris was
noted during the search. The absence of his snap rope
or distress signals complicated this explanation, as experienced climbers typically
remain tethered together in such conditions. Alternate explate explanations consider
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human error or intentional action. Lewis may have unclipped deliberately,
perhaps due to a mental life apps or a miscommunication
with the team. File plays unlikely, as his partners were
close and reported no conflict and no evidence suggested external involvement.
The discovery of his backpack in a snow cave raises questions.
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Did Louis digget himself seeking refuge, only to wander off,
or was the pack placed there by another party. There's
also paranormal theories that gained traction due to Mount Rainier's
reputation for the unexplained disappearances. The missing four to eleven
phenomenon that I mentioned earlier, documented by David Pallades. Palates
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highlights cases where individuals vanish in national parks under strange circumstances,
often leaving minimal trace. Lewis's case fit this pattern. An
experienced individual who suddenly disappeared and a single clue the
back It's found later on Native American tribes, including the
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pull Up and the Yakama. We know these are not right,
regard Rainier or Tacoma as a sacred site with spiritual guardians.
Some legends suggest the mountains claim those who disrespect its power,
potentially explaining Lewis's vanishing without a trace. UFO activity reported
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around Rainier since Kenneth Arnold's nineteen forty seven sighting fuels
speculation of abduction, with the unclipped rope suggesting a sudden
removal from the scene. There's also cryptid theories, particularly involving Sasquatch.
This persists due to reported sightings in the cascade, though
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no physical evidence links any creatures to Lewis's case, so
there's also plenty of sightings. Suppose the sightings of Bigfoot mountaineer.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Now, with everything that we've talked about, do you connect
Bigfoot to UFOs or I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Personally, no, I don't a lot of people do. My
first instinct when you're telling the story, I know a
lot of people get ken this guy's experience, but people
getting confused at altitude and doing weird shit is not
unheard of, right. My first thought was that he might
have got fucked up in the head briefly non clipped himself,
but where's his body? The search would have still found
his body.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Right, And I just I also just think I'm not
a climber, obviously. I just feel like if you're hooked
together the person above, you would at least feel some
kind of distress belong. They're not that far apart, right,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Climbing Everest, and it looks like they're probably good twenty
five feet apart.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But I mean that's enough of rope that if you
felt somebody fiddling with it to undo it on the
other end, you would think you would think, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
If all of a sudden you're pulling an empty rope,
I would think you would notice, But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So this correlates with other Mount Raineer disappearances that are notable,
like Sam de Ball in twenty twenty and Joel Wood
Junior in nineteen ninety nine. Lewis vanished with minimal evidence
despite extensive searches. This pattern of experienced individuals disappearing in
highly visible areas, often with a single item left behind.
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This aligns with the missing four to eleven criteria. The
lack of a body despite helicopter searches with thermal imaging
suggesting an unusual force, nature or otherwise as at play,
Lewis's disappearance remains unsolved, a haunting reminder of Mountaineer's unforgiving
nature and its unexplained mysteries. So that's the first number
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two we've got. The disappearance of Sam de Ball October ninth,
twenty twenty, my birthday. On October ninth, twenty twenty, doctor
Sam Deball a third, a thirty three year old anthropology
professor at the University of Washington, disappeared while hiking the
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Mother Mountain Loop trail near Mowich Lake and Mount Verineer's
National Park. D Baal, an experienced hiker with the history
of tackling challenging routes, including in the Himalayans, embarked on
a solo overnight hike. He was well equipped with a tent,
sleeping bag, snow gear, a cell phone with a charger,
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and significant food and water. His plan was to complete
the seventeen mile loop in return by October tenth. When
he failed to return, friends reported him missing on October twelfth,
initiating a large scale search The Mother Mountain Loop is
a moderately strenuous trail popular among hikers with scenic views
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but no extreme hazards under normal conditions. However, a storm
struck on October tenth, bringing heavy rain that wore washed
out the Carbon River, crossing a critical point on the loop.
This may have disrupted Duval's route. Search efforts involved approximately
fifty personnel, including ground teams, helicopter equipped with forward looking
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infrared radar cameras, drones, and scent dogs. The search covered
the trails and surrounding areas, focusing on riverbanks, forced his
slopes and potential camp sites. No traces were found during
the initial effort, no tent, clothing or sign of a struggle.
In October twenty twenty three, three years later, a hiker
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discovered a distinctive water bottle near Mother Mountains Loop, later
confirmed as the Balls. His remains the only physical evidence recovered.
Despite extensive searches. His body gear and other belongings were
never located, and the case remains open. The prevailing theory
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suggests of all was caught in the October tenth storm,
which could have led to disorientation or an accident. The
washout Carbon river crossing may have forced him to attempt
a dangerous fording, potential resulting in a drowning or injury.
How high up on the mountain is this he was?
I don't know if it's said how high he was
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he was it's on a seventeen mile loop. It doesn't
say how high out, but it's and it's not. They
said it's it's tough, but it's not crazy extreme. Okay,
you know people do this one all the time. Hypothermia
is another possibility, as temperatures drop significantly during the storm,
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and even experience hikers can circumb to wet cold conditions.
The absence of his body complicates this theory, though, as
the Carbon River was searched extensively, no remains were found downstream.
Could have been animal preditation, such as bears or cougars.
It's unlikely, though, so there's no signs of an attack
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anywhere we're discovered. Alternate explanations include devolved becoming lost and
wandering off trail into a denser terrain. Whereas gear may
have been buried by natural elements like mud, sline or
fallen branches. You think that stuff would pop up later
on down the road. If his water bottle popped up. Yeah,
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you know what I mean. Suicide is considered improbable, as
de Vault was recently started a covenant academic position and
showed no documented signs of distress. Foul play is also
unluckily given the remote location and lack of evidence suggesting
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other persons were involved. And then there's a paranormal theories
that due to Mountaineer's history. The missing four to eleven
framework notes patterns. In de Ball's case, he's an experienced
individual suddenly disappeared on a known trail, and a single item,
the water bottle, was found years later, just like with
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a backpack in the last case. The water bottles discovery,
isolated intact, aligns with stories of objects left as markers
by other worldly forces. UFO activity frequently reported in the
Cascades suggest a possible abduction, with the bottle left behind
as a remnant. It's also sasquatch theories in this case too.
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I think there is on anyone goes missing up there. Next,
we've got the disappearance of Edwin Birch July twelfth, twenty fourteen.
On July twelve, twenty fourteen, Edwin Birch A sixty four
year old resident of Tacoma, Washington, disappeared while hiking the
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Underland Trail in Mountaineer's National Park. Birch and his son
planned a nineteen mile day hike, starting from opposite ends
Box Canyon and White River campgrounds, a meeting at Indian
Bar shelter. The Wonderland Trail is a ninety three mile
loop encircling the mountain known for its scenic but rugged terrain. Birch,
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while not an expert hiker, was in good health and
carried standard gear, including a backpack, water, and snacks. At
Indian Bar, approximately halfway through the hike, Burch met his
son as planned. He appeared tired but reported no significant issues.
After resting, they continued with his son hiking ahead towards
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White River. Birch failed to arrive at the trailhead, prompting
his son to alert authorities. A search operation began immediately,
involving ground teams, helicopters, and sent dogs. The effort focused
on a trail between Indian Bar and White River, as
well as off trail areas including nearby rivers and forest slopes.
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No evidence was found during the initial search, no backpack,
clothing or signs of a fall or struggle. In twenty fifteen,
hikers discovered human remains near Fryingpan Glacier above Summerland, approximately
two miles off trail from Birch's last known location. The
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remains were later identified as birches, with the likely cause
of death attributed to exposure or a fall, but no
specific injuries such as fractures, were documented, and the exact
circumstances of his deviation from the trail remained unclear. The
official explanation suggests Birch became disoriented, possibly due to fatigue
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or mild altitude effects, and wandered off the trail into
more hazardous train, but he was a good distance off
By the time they found him. He was two miles
into the woods.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah it's way of trail YEP.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
The Woodland Trail, while marked, passes through areas with steep
drop offs and dense vegetation where a misstep could lead
to a fall or entrapment. Exposure to the elements, particularly
at high elevations, could have caused hypothermia, especially in Bert,
if Birch was unprepared for a prolonged stay outdoors. The
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discovery of his remains off trail support his theory, though
the distance from the trail raises questions about how far
he traveled so far without detection, And then you get
the alternate theories. It could have been a medical event
such as a heart attack or stroke, causing him a
de stray and collapse, however no medical history supports this.
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Then there's animal counter as if possible, but there was
no sign of an attack, and then foul play once
again not likely as Birch was with his son earlier
and there's no evidence suggests the third party was around
or involved. And then once again paranormal explanations are considered.
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Due to the reputation the missing four to one one
phenomena highlights cases like Birch's where individuals vanish on these
established trails and stuff, leaving no immediate trace. But they
did find his body, so it's not exactly the same
as the other ones. B many claim those who venture
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too far like Birch. Off trail remains fitting for this narrative,
though UFO theories linked to this region and histories of
siting proposed abduction with his body later deposited in a
remote area like the UFOs took him, and then that's
just fitting a narrative. You know, at that point right there,
this dude was. This is one I truly believe the
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dude just went off to them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I've gotten turned around in the woods many times. Really
easy to get lost. Why you would wander off the
trail was hard to say, right, Once you get lost,
it's really easy to get real fuck.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It's really easy to get completely turned around. Oh yeah, yeah,
completely turned around. The only thing is like with these
stories where it comes at hard, like nobody ever found
anything but the one item. It's just that so many
people hike these trails, you know. It's not like these
are just off in the woods where nobody's at. These
are trails that are well established trails that thousands upon
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thousands of people try, you know, hike all the time.
So when someone does go missing, it's like, hmm, especially
when they never find anything. This this one was found.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I'm not buying for a second that the UFO has
brought his body back.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
No, I mean, hold on, hold on. We just traveled
to Alpha Centauri. We got to drop him off. We
got to drop him back off a home probably about
two miles from where we left a body. Actress, This
one tastes Rable all Right their fourth one. This was
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the clustered disappearance of Michael Fortonberry, Nathan Lerner, and Austin
Chase in twenty twenty. In twenty twenty, three men Michael
Zachary Fortonberry, Nathan Lerner, and Austin Chase, all in their
early thirty thirties, disappeared near Fairfax Bridge and Carbon Carbonado, Washington,
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close to Mountaineer's National Park Northwest boundaries. Each case involved
in an abandoned vehicle found near the bridge, spinning the
Carbon River, with no signs of struggle of foul play.
The similarities in the cases occurring within the same year
in location make them particularly perplexing. Michael Fortonberry, thirty one,
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from Bonnie Lake, Washington, was last seen on February ninth,
twenty twenty. His car was discovered near Fairfax Bridge, empty
with no note or indication of his intentions. Search efforts
include divers in the Carbon River, ground teams sent dogs
and drones covering the surrounding forest riverbanks. There was no trace,
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no body, no clothing or gear. Wherever found. Nathan Lerner,
approximately thirty, vanished later in twenty twenty. His vehicle was
also found near Fairfax Bridge, similarly abandoned. Limited details are
available on the exact date of the circumstances, but the
search married Fortonberry's involving aerial and ground efforts with no result.
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His body and belongings still remain missing. Austin Chase, also
in his early thirties, disappeared in the same timeframe, with
his car located near Fairfax Bridge. As with the use
the others, no evidence of a struggle or destination, or
no evidence of struggle was found. Searches across the rugged
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terrain near the bridge and park boundaries yielded no clue,
and his fate remains unknown. The official theories supposed that
each man may have succumbed to an accident or an
intentional act. The carbon rivers, fast moving and deep, could
have swept them away in the attempts to cross, or
maybe they fell from the bridge. Suicide is considered as
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abandoned cars near bridges sometimes indicate such intent, but no
bodies or personal effects were ever recovered downstream, which is unusual.
Hypothermia exposure is possible given the February to fall timeline,
though the lack of gear or traces complicates this. Foul
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play is another theory, potentially involving a serial offender targeting
men in the area. However, no evidence such as de
signs of violence or witnesses supporting this. The men may
have left voluntarily abandoning their vehicles, but the similar profiles
and lack of prior distress makes this unlikely. Then you
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get the paranormal theories are prominent due to the fact
that all of these were so consistent. The Fairbanks Bridge
of proximity to Mountaineer ties it to the park's reputation
for these unexplained vanishings. The missing four to one one
framework knows patterns of multiple disappearance in specific areas with
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the abandoned vehicles and no traces. So I don't know
those three. It's so weird that they all went missing
rate in the same spot. I could see that being
a suicide, but there was never a suicide note left.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, one of them sounds like a suicide, any one
of them, but right, three of them.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Three of them all so close together, exactly the same
and they all disappear. That's super suspicious. So but I mean,
I don't know. Maybe that's a treasure treacherous spot, but
I mean, they're all real close together, all three of
them in a short timeframe, all in the same spot,
all went missing and never been recovered.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Is this like a highbridge close to the ground or
is it?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I don't know. Yeah, that's in the tough question.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, sometimes like those National Park bridges are right above
the river and other times right it's right at the river.
I would say suicide's unlikely.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
But if they're dumping off the high right, yeah, I
mean it's a They say the river is rough running,
it's like, no joke, the current's pretty. But which could
have I could see them being washed down river. But
typically if someone goes in the river, they usually find
the body. Not always, but I mean you're at what
in Washington. By the time that washed to the ocean.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know, chances that they wouldn't find all three of
them is pretty low.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I would think, yeah, yep, So I don't know. Then
we've got the disappearance of Joe Wood Junior July seventh,
nineteen ninety On July seventh, nineteen ninety nine, Joe Wood Junior,
a thirty four year old journalist from New York, disappeared
while visiting Mountaineer's National Park Wood was attending a journalism
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conference in Seattle, but left after the opening session, renting
a car and dividing and driving eighty seven miles to
the park. He entered via the Nisqually entrance at one
twenty two pm and was last seen at four point
fifteen pm on the Comet Falls Trail, a one point
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eight mile path leading to a three hundred and twenty
foot waterfall. Three hikers reported seeing him approximately four hundred
yards from the falls, appearing normal with the backpacking camera.
A seventeen day search began after Wood failed to return,
involving one hundred and twenty one personnel, eight cent dog teams,
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and helicopters with thermal imaging. The efforts covered twenty eight
miles square, focusing on the trails surrounding forests and areas
near the fall. No evidence was found, no backpack, no camera,
no clothing or signs of a fall. The trail is
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short and well traveled, making the absence of clues, particularly
striking Wood's body and belongings still remain missing. The official
theory suggests Wood fell into a ravine or crevasse near
the falls as the trail passes rocky terrain with steep drops.
The Van Trump Creek, which runs alongside it, could have
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carried remains away. Hypothermia is possible, though July weather is
pretty mild. Wood's lack of hiking experience may have led
to a misstep, but the trail's accessibility and the presence
of other hikers made this less likely. Then you've get
all the other explanations like disorientation causing him to wander off.
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He could have succumbed to exposure or suicide is probably unlikely.
He has no evidence suggesting that he was just stressed.
The conference attendance indicated he was engaged. Foul play is possible,
but improbable due to the remote location and lack of witnesses.
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A sign of a struggle. So another one with the
body is just the going missing hiking and stuff like that.
You can understand, it's just when they never recover the bodies.
It can happen, but it just doesn't seem Over four
hundred people have gone missing.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Out in the nature, though. I think the bodies disappear
pretty quickly between animals.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
They can be broken down, They can be.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Surely walked right over a body and not found it
for years.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
But yeah, but the bodies do, but typically the equipment
doesn't break down as fast. You know, a lot of
synthetics and stuff, especially with hiking equipment and coats and
warm weather gear stuff, that shit's built the last. Yeah,
And you know that's the kind of stuff you think
you'd see washed up and possibly people see it and
don't know. I don't know, but you would think the
body parts would be with it still. But you know,
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like if there's a backpack out in the wild, if
they had a backpack they're hiking with, you think that
would still be around somewhere. Even if a bear or
whatever tore a person apart, they might tear up the backpack,
but those remains last forever. You know. It wasn't it?
Uh didn't they find the parachute to uh jump out
of the plane? I did the story, BB Cooper. I
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mean that was like forever after it happened.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Right, I don't never heard that they found his parachute.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I think that was something more recent.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I would have to look into it.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
If they found may I may have just made it up.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
If they found his parachute, I never heard it.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Well, they there was something that came out in that case.
I think we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I found some new things later.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, but there's some possibility that they know who would
be is now. I think at the revisit from that
we yep, all right, and then I think this is
my last story. This is number six. The disappearance of
Karen Skyes June eighteenth, twenty fourteen. On June eighteenth, twenty fourteen,
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Karen Sky's, a seventy year old experienced hiker an outdoor
writer from Seattle, disappeared while hiking the aUI Hi Lakes
Trail and Mountaineer National Park. Sky's, known for her guide
books and extensive knowledge of the park, was hiking with
a partner at approximately five thousand feet in snowy conditions.
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She told her partner she would scout ahead on the trail.
When she failed to return, her partner alerted authorities and
initiated a search. So this isn't like no, she's seventy, yes,
but she's an avid hiker. She's literally written, you know, guidebooks,
so she's no joke. The search involved ground teams, helicopters,
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and scent dogs, focusing on the trail and surrounding rugged terrain.
On June twenty first, twenty eighteen. Sky's body was found
off trail in a steep, rocky area near the trail.
The cause of death was not definitely determined, with exposure
or a fall considered likely. No significant injuries such as fractures,
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were reported, and the exact reason for her deviation from
the trail remains unclear. The official explanation says that Sky
became disoriented in the snowy conditions, wandered off trail, and
succumbed to hyperthermia or a fall. The aUI Hi Lake trails,
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while scenic, includes steep sections and snow fields, especially at
higher elevation, Even experienced hikers can lose their way in
low visibility. The discovery of her body relatively quickly suggests
she remained in the area, though her off trail location
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is puzzling. Alternate theories include a medical event. Like we've
said before, it could have been a heart attack causing
her to stray off course, but she didn't have medical
She may have been seventy, but she was healthy as
they get a seventy years old. No but, and it
could have been an animal counter. I mean, if you
see a big bear in the trail, you may go
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off trail real quick. Even if you did write the guys,
you know most of us would. Yeah, you never know
what kind of animal might I was just telling Ryan
that the deer almost stopped my little dog this morning
when went out the door, and Old Jack saw a
deer in her baby out front of the house, and
the baby took off. A mom started coming after the
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dog stopping on the ground, had to swoop him up
and save his life. I'm kind of a hero anyways.
So anyway, she didn't have any real medical history. It
could have been an animal counter but there was no
nothing found that anything had caused that foul play was
also improbitable given the remote location. So her Karen Sky's
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death it remains a mystery. This highlights the Mountain's unpredictable dangers. So,
I mean there's just case after case after case.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I mean I just did six, but it was it
was three. There was nine different people.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
None of them jumped off the page at me as like,
oh my god, this is supernatural. But when you throw
together the sheer volume of them.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
That's yeah. You know, they all sound like they could
have they could have been literal just sircumbing to the
whatever in the water washed away into her boss.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
But it does sound like there's a shipload.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
But there's a ton of uh, I don't know, like
people that believe there's a lot of stuff going on
on mountain air. Yeah, you know, I mean that's a
lot of people to go missing, but I guess it
depends on the number of people that are hiking those
trails too. You know, if you four hundred people's a
shit ton of people that go missing. But if you
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got you know, one hundred thousand people going through, the
numbers not quite as crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, I mean, when you're higher on the mountain, there's
obviously more dangerous activity, is the likelihood of a death
or disappearances.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
H So there are a lot of there's a big
connection to people going missing in national parks, but personally
in this case, the ones that I did, I don't
believe any of them are paranorim I don't there's a
pot some of them are very peculiar. You wonder what
the hell happened? Why it was like the dude who unhitched,
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what was that about? You know, you had two other
people you're with, You're just going to walk off and
dig a cave? Because of the weather. That doesn't make
it any cents at all. You wouldn't let the people
know that you think it's too bad or that's strange,
for sure, And it's when they don't find the body.
The three people that die in the exact same way
in the same spot's probably the most suspicious. But it
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could be a bad spot. It could be suicide, It
could be a lot of things like that. Nothing reaches
off the page as being paranormal to me in this,
even though I want to link it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, you know, not if I'm jumped off the page
as mean as paranormal either, But it's hard to say.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah. So, but there. You could go on for days
on the different cases, and these are all more recent.
This is I don't think I did what ninety nine.
I think was the furthest I went back and after
that it was like twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Most of them were experienced too, So.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, a lot of them were experienced or at least
in decent shape or whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
So let us know what you guys think, especially anybody
in that region with a little more knowledge than we have.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
A lot of the yeah, Kelly, if you're listening, let
us know, let us know what you know.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
A good story about it? I like that that over
the firepit.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Guess catch you over there?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
I guess you know what's time it is?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Can't you try to volume men?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
All right? You guys know the routine before we do
the fire pit. If you guys have any stories, funny, paranormal,
any interesting stories you tell your friends around the firepit,
sent them in Beyond the Shadows two o seven at
gmail dot com or hit us up on any of
our socials. This week's firepit comes to us from a manual.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
So Beyond the Shadows is manny. I want to share
a couple incentives that happen. I've been wanting to share
this but never really had the competence to do it.
I mean, it might be a little on the influence
right now, but shoot, I said, fuck that, this is
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a perfect time shirt. Anyways. It has to do with sleeparalysis.
There's two incidents that happened that actually still out more
than the rest. I've had a couple a few sleeperalysis
incidents or experiences. The first one actually happened a few
years ago when I was renting a room in or
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an apartment complex with one of my friends. I was
actually in my room when I woke up, and obviously
during sleeperalysis, like you could really do is open your eyes,
see everything that it's in place, everything's intact. You pretty
much seem like you didn't exactly go to sleep. But
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what I saw was the dark figure floating or hovering
on the ceiling, the top side, and eventually it shot
out to the corner of the room, standing still, creating
a figure, a tall figure which just stood at the corner.
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For some reason, I could even though it was a shadowy,
shadowy figure, I was able to see in sense that
I was looking at me. While I was laying in bed,
I wasn't able to move trying to move, I couldn't move,
but I felt obviously this dark presence, and when I
was staring at the corner of my eye, I ended
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up seeing a cat, like a dark cat, obviously a
black hat, jump on top of the bed, walk over
towards me. Ended up laying on top of my chest
or sitting on top of my chest, and it was
like I was having trouble, I guess breathing, but I
think it was mainly because I was freaked out. And
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when I finally woke up, I was able to move
shake my body because I was trying to fucking get
out of that scared that I had. I ended up
waking up. I walked outside of the room because I
was I was a little freaked out. I noticed that
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it was around twelve something, pretty much almost one. Obviously,
at that time, I was like, oh shoot, you know,
it's freaking twelve o'clock. Oh shit, and it has something
to do with you know, evil spirits and some shit
like that. I have no clue. The second one actually
happened a few years ago where I was actually laying
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down in the living room. This was after you know,
got married stuff like that. Anyways, I was in the
living room laying down couch when all of a sudden
I woke up in sleep balysis. I ended up seeing
the same kind of figure. This time it wasn't hovering
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on top of nose ceiling and you know, on top
of me. It was just standing in the corner closer
to the kitchen, and it was just standing there and
the same feeling that it was looking at me. Wasn't
able to move, and all of a sudden I seen
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this figure which I could only at the moment or
you know, after it happened, I could only describe as
an older lady, shorter lady, wearing these raggedy clothes, just
walking kind of slow across the living room towards the
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dining area. It seemed like it was saying something or
just mumbling or something in a lower voice kind of
faded because I couldn't hear exactly what it was, but
I seen that in the corner of my eyes. I
was trying to move my head, but I couldn't. When
I was seen woke up again. I ended up getting up,
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but before I actually stood up or sat down, I
ended up hearing a fainted voice on the the hallway
from one room to the bathroom. There's a hallway. Of
what I could hear for like a quick couple of
seconds was a little voice, kind of like a girl voice, saying,
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sh don't dull mom. As soon as that happened, I
fully was awake, and I was like shit myself. I
guess I ended up getting up going towards the hallway
for some stupid reason. It's like one of those you
know scenes that you see in one of those horror movies,
like why the fuck are you even.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Going over there?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
But I didn't.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I went over to see what it was or if
there was any win there.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
No, I wanted.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
To make sure it wasn't. But anyways, I didn't see anything.
I didn't knows anyone opened the door or anything like that,
and that actually threw me back, and I actually had
a research to the next day because I was like,
what the hell was that? The only thing obviously I
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found was that person that saw that being, which I
guess is described as the Old Hag, which is crazy
because I've never heard before. I never heard it before,
like until that happened. And just the fact that people
around the world have actually seen that shit I'm not
the only one, you know, kind of makes me I
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want to say a question things, but it kind of
makes me interested to see if there's more people like
that that experienced that kind of stuff. And I would
really actually like to know, or people could put it
on the notes that they experienced the same kind of
shit or seeing the same kind of you know, being
the Old Hag. I don't know, actually really like you
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guys' opinions on have you even heard of it or
cases of it? That'd be great. And if somebody else
has the same kind of experience anyways, thinking.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
That was a really good story, Manny.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah, great story, Mannie, thank you for sending that in.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I can answer you a question right off the bat.
I've been sitting on mine, so I'm not going to
get into it tonight. But I have experienced almost exactly
what you have experienced, so you are not the only one.
Though mine wasn't identical to yours. I'm going to do
it actually an episode on the hat Man, the Old Hag.
They're similar to me. Some people think it's sleep paralysis,
others don't. Some people see them during the day, some don't.
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Might have been similar to him, where it's sleeping slash awake.
You're not quite sure, but you'll have experienced it.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
The Old Hag is like a succubist or Incubis, which
one is.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
There's one hundred different theories. Yeah, shadow people their shadow people,
for sure. I've heard of people seeing them during daylight hours.
Most experience are during sleep.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
The most terrifying part of that for me is like
you're seeing that and you can't move. No, that's what
makes it even more. You know, it's one thing if
you at least get a chance to defend yourself against
something but when you're completely paralyzed, you're fucked.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
That's what makes some people think that you're it's part
of the sleep paralysis, you know, quite awake. I don't
buy that, have experience of myself. I don't feel that
I'm asleep, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
You're right, you're you feel like, Yeah, I don't think
I've had that. I've had times where I woke up
and like, my arms are real sluggish. I could barely
move them and stuff like that. You don't know if
it's from sleeping on them or whatever, But I haven't
had sleep paralysis like that.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
I can tell you the other experience exact same thing.
You can't quite breathe, you can't quite move, and you're
not alone.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And that's real common. Like the all is sitting on.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
The fuck she's never been sitting on my chest. But
I've definitely not been alone in the room. And there's
a shadowy figure in the corner. You're like, what the fuck?
Uh so y'all get I'll get in no more detail
on mind, manny, but uh yeah, I agree with you.
You're not alone. And I'm sure we've got plenty of
listeners that have experienced something someone yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
If you guys have let us know, let manny know.
I could say, like, I've heard things in my sleep.
I can tell you just the other day, I was
sleeping during the day and I'd only been asleep for
like maybe thirty minutes, and I heard, clear as day,
someone yelled code blue. And that's I work in the hospital.
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And I heard someone screaming out loud that so I
snapped up out of bed and was looking around trying
to make out where the hell I was. And it
seemed like it was someone in the house screaming code blue.
But it was definitely in my dream. But I was
one hundred percent convinced that I heard someone yell.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Are you sure you weren't sleeping at work? You know
you have a tendency to go yet Now it was
a real code blue, But.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
No, I mean it happened. My wife and son were
up there downstairs, and I heard it clear as a bell,
like somebody yelled it. I even asked her, I'm like,
did you guys yell down here? Know why I have
heard code blue? But I guess I dreamt it. It
was loud too in my head. Anyways, Anyways, great story.
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We really appreciate it, you guys. If you have any stories,
get them in be on the Shadows two o seven
at gmail dot com and uh we will catch you
in the next one.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Later guys,
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
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Beyond the shuttles where you found me at You can't
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hey, everybody, and welcome back to episode one hundred and
fifty seven of Beyond the Shadows.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Welcome back, Shadow people.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So there's a newly released video this week of a
US Reaper drone off the coast of Yemen. I don't
know if you guys have seen that yet.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, this was from came straight out of a congressional hearing.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yep, it's another one of those whistleblowers.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yes, yea.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So it was recorded October of last year, so it's
almost a year old if you haven't seen it. It's
a US hell fire missile striking a an orb a
UFO that's what they're calling it because that's what it is.
And the health fire missile doesn't explode. It changes direct changed.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, its just like kind of bounces off. It doesn't explode.
That's not what a hell fire missile does. And the
object that it hit was knocked into like three or
four pieces, but the pieces continue to travel with it. Yeah,
it remight be like it's like I don't know, like
slime or something, you know, and it's you know how
like the blob you rip it apart and like the
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two exists. That's what it was like. It's it's like
they knocked pieces off of it and it continued on
the exact same path.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It was nuts.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It made me think of like a flock of birds,
like how they always seem to know what every other
bird is going to do, Like when one moves. They
all fucking move. It's crazy. Yeah, that's what that did.
It's it's like an intelligent.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, I mean, what what the fuck is that? It makes?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hit it? A couple of pieces came off.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
The missile was just redirected. Whatever it was, it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Ricocheted off the side, and then those things just continue
they like move around almost like information and follow the
object the pieces. Unreal, whatever the hell it is. I
had no idea.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's crazy video.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean, yeah, it's a UFO. Say it's alien. What
the fuck is it? Is that all organism that's alive?
Is it a fucking UFO?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You're not supposed to know?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I guess not. Man, it's baffling.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You've already said too much. The men in black cou
I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I haven't seen a video. Don't watch it. So anyways,
what do we got in the news this week? Pal?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So? We get a child in Shanghai, China that has
yet to be issued a birth certificate nor scheduled for
any vaccinations. And this is a full year after the
kid was born. Yes, the reason is because the parents
cannot agree on a name. A year later, a year.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Later, they still can't come together on the name, and
they were doing some ship to try to name the
kid too, but one over the.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Other, so they're actually getting divorced at this point, the
logical step divorced. Each one of them went to the
hospital separately without the other one, trying to get their
name on the on the documentation, and the hospital is like, no,
it doesn't work that way down So as right now,
the kid's name is still like right name here, you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Know, Yeah, baby baby boy do or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's what he's gonna be listed on like the divorce documents.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, baby boy.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
He can figure out where Baby Boy's gonna live.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And Baby Boy just dropped his first.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Album Magic getting divorced over that, right, I mean, obviously
they had to be deeper problems if that's what broke it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Where was this? I forget Shanghai. I mean maybe it
must be more important to them, probably for the name.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's one of the few things we did agree on.
Normal people agree on the name and then get divorced
over everything.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, right name was the only thing we agreed.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's the way it's done here. So we have an
eighty year old woman in Japan. She recently met and
fell in love with an astronaut online.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
He apparently worked for a space agency and was stuck
on a spacecraft that was orbiting Earth. So when he
contacted herd that his spacecraft was quote under attack and
he was running low on oxygen, please send help. There
was only one thing that could save him. If she
could be so kind as to just depause a sixty
eight hundred dollars electron electronically into a series of bank accounts,
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he would be able to purchase the oxygen he needed
to return home. Oh phew, she didn't sniff this out.
She sent him the money. But thank god he got
the oxygen.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, I mean he saved his life. They're gonna get
Without her, the dude would have been done for.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
How did he purchase the oxygen? He just hit up
a convenience store up in space.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's exact Amazon, I think. So.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, she's getten scammed.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
If you read through that article, She's not the first
person to fall for this exact same Nope, another aster Yeah,
the other one was an asteroid. This guy's running low
on oxygen, but another guy had to be saved from
an asteroid, and please send cash. My shields are low. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Police in Germany were called to an apartment building in Schwabach,
Bavaria by concerned residents. Doorbells all over the complex were
ringing in the middle of the night and no one
was sure who was outside what was going on. So
they were thinking it was like a organized thieves. Yeah,
it was either some kids actual thieves. I didn't know
what the hell was going on, but it was happening
all over the complex.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
The most concerning part to them was that when everybody
went to their doorbell cams, there was nothing there, but
the doorbells were going off. So police respond off ghost
without a doubt, it's getting spooky season yep. So police
come out in mass, guns drawn all that ship and
the mysterious intruder.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Was a slug, so they put six slugs in him.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
They tasted it was a big ass, slimy slug crawling
across the doorbell panel. He was just setting them.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
All Off's that would scare the ship out of you.
If you're looking out the door.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And there's nothing there. Yeah, right as you're looking out,
there's nothing there and the doorbell's going off.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What the fuck have some of these people send us
a fire pit about how their doorbell was going on
by itself.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I don't know why that one amusing the shit out.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, me too, me too.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's it for the news. What do you got going
on this week?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So I am doing a mountain of mystery. I don't
know if you guys have heard of Mountaineer, but seems
like a whole lot of people like to go missing
on Mountaineer. So we're going to talk about that, all.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Right, looking forward to it. We are right back. Do
you know what the world is?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
All right? Before I get started, a few things about mountaineer.
Mountaineer is known for having a large amount of UFO activity.
That's one of the things. And there's a conspiracy that's
kind of tied that people believe is tied to some
of This is one that I don't know if you've
heard this, but like some people believe that Eisenhower claimed
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that that he secretly met with aliens at Edward Air
Force Base in nineteen fifty four and signed a pack
which allowed them to actually abduct folks from national parks
like like Rinier or Yosemite or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And this, I mean, there's no hard proof of it.
There's a whole story. I think I was listening to
all things outrageously dark, scary, beautiful. Yeah, I think that
she did something else. She did a lot of conspiracies, Kelly,
and I think she talked.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
About it, but home state.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah. So anyways, there's a I'm gonna have to look
into that. It could be a good, good episode. But anyways,
there's there's no hard proof of it. But there's something
that calls like a template. It's like a missing four
to eleven template. There where certain people that they think
that fell under this. They have certain things that happen
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like an I'll kind of go through it in the
story a little bit, but just so you if you
hear the four eleven three, that's what I'm talking about,
all right. Mount Rainier looms over Washington State. It's fourteen
thoy four hundred and ten foot peaked, a beacon of
beauty and danger. The volcanic giant draws climbers, hikers, and
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dreamers to his trails, but for some, it's a place
where journeys end mysteries. Since records begin, over four hundred
people have gone missing at Mount Rainier National Park without
many without explanation.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That seems astronomically a huge amount.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think it's four hundred and change. Their fate swallowed.
Some people were possibly swallowed by glaciers, lost in the forest,
or maybe even something stranger. From nineteen ninety nine to
twenty twenty, these individuals experienced climbers, season hike and ordinary
visitors disappeared on trails, peaks, and even near park boundaries.
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A climber unclipped his rope at thirteen thoy nine hundred feet.
A professor vanished on the popular Loop, leaving a single
water bottle. Years later, three men cars were found abandoned
by the same bridge. Nobodies, no traces despite massive searches.
So we're going to go through some of the different
cases of people who disappeared. First off, we get the
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disappearance of Eric Lewis July first, twenty ten. On July first,
twenty ten, Eric Lewis, a fifty seven year old experienced
climber from Deval, Washington, vanished while ascending Mount Rainier via
the Gibraltar Ledge Route. Lewis, accompanied by climbing partners Don
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Storm Junior and Trevor Lane, begin the ascent early that morning.
The group aimed to some at the fourteen thy four
hundred and ten foot peak, a challenging climb requiring technical
skills and endurance. Lewis was known for his climbing experience,
having tackled other peaks in the Cascades. The team was
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roped together for safety, a standard practice in high altitude
mountaineering to prevent falls into crevasses or down steep slopes.
You call crevasses or crevices. They're crevasses, right, Crevis, We're
going with trevasse. I'm pretty sure that's right. At approximately
thirteen nine hundred feet near the summit, storm and Lane
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paused to rest in deteriorating weather conditions characterized by high
winds and low visibility due to the clouds. You're up
that high man, you're in the clouds, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah. Literally.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Lewis was at the end of the rope a short
distance behind. When the pair pulled on the rope to
check his position. They retrieved only a coil with a
butterfly knot, indicating Lewis had unclipped himself moments earlier. They
believed they had seen him through the fog, though visibility
was poor, no sound of distress or evidence of a
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fall were reported. The sudden absence of Lewis prompted an
immediate call for help. A search operation began that day,
involving over forty personnel, including climbing rangers, ground teams, and
a Chinook helicopter for aerial support. The search focused on
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Gibraltar's Ledge and the surrounding areas, including potential crevasse zones
and avalanche prone slopes. On July third, searchers located Lewis's
backpack in a snow cave at approximately thirteen thousand, six
hundred feet, roughly three hundred feet below his last known location.
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The cave appeared intentionally dug, possibly for shelter, and contained
Lewis's gear, including clothing and food supplies. No footprints, blood,
or other traces were found. The search continued until July fourth,
where it was scaled back due to hazardous conditions and
lack of additional evidence. Eric Lewis's body was never recovered
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and his remains listed as missing. The official theory poses
that Lewis sccumbed to an accident, likely disoriented by the
white out conditions in high altitude. Hypothermia or altitude sickness
could have impaired his judgment, leading him to unclip from
the rope. But you would think if someone was to
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uncliped from a rope, that we're having those kind of
issues in your tethered to them, you'd know it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You'd think you would feel the lack of.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
If someone's freaking out or they're having that kind of
stuff going on. You would think you would think you'd
feel him on hook. You know, if you get a rope,
if it's I don't know how much slack is in it,
but you would think you could feel that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I would imagine if the wind was aling and stuff,
who knows.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, that's true. The weather was getting shitty, so leading
him to unclip from the rope, perhaps to a just
gear or seek shelter. But he's gonna go seek shelter
without even telling the people above him. All it takes
is a tug on that rope to let him know.
Or maybe he fell into a hidden crevice. Mount Rainea's
glaciers are riddled with crevasses some hundreds of feet deep,
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capable of concealing a body indefinitely. Avalanches common on Gibraltar's
ledge could have buried him this. No fresh debris was
noted during the search. The absence of his snap rope
or distress signals complicated this explanation, as experienced climbers typically
remain tethered together in such conditions. Alternate explate explanations consider
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human error or intentional action. Lewis may have unclipped deliberately,
perhaps due to a mental life apps or a miscommunication
with the team. File plays unlikely, as his partners were
close and reported no conflict and no evidence suggested external involvement.
The discovery of his backpack in a snow cave raises questions.
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Did Louis digget himself seeking refuge, only to wander off,
or was the pack placed there by another party. There's
also paranormal theories that gained traction due to Mount Rainier's
reputation for the unexplained disappearances. The missing four to eleven
phenomenon that I mentioned earlier, documented by David Pallades. Palates
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highlights cases where individuals vanish in national parks under strange circumstances,
often leaving minimal trace. Lewis's case fit this pattern. An
experienced individual who suddenly disappeared and a single clue the
back It's found later on Native American tribes, including the
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pull Up and the Yakama. We know these are not right,
regard Rainier or Tacoma as a sacred site with spiritual guardians.
Some legends suggest the mountains claim those who disrespect its power,
potentially explaining Lewis's vanishing without a trace. UFO activity reported
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around Rainier since Kenneth Arnold's nineteen forty seven sighting fuels
speculation of abduction, with the unclipped rope suggesting a sudden
removal from the scene. There's also cryptid theories, particularly involving Sasquatch.
This persists due to reported sightings in the cascade, though
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no physical evidence links any creatures to Lewis's case, so
there's also plenty of sightings. Suppose the sightings of Bigfoot mountaineer.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Now, with everything that we've talked about, do you connect
Bigfoot to UFOs or I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Personally, no, I don't a lot of people do. My
first instinct when you're telling the story, I know a
lot of people get ken this guy's experience, but people
getting confused at altitude and doing weird shit is not
unheard of, right. My first thought was that he might
have got fucked up in the head briefly non clipped himself,
but where's his body? The search would have still found
his body.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Right, And I just I also just think I'm not
a climber, obviously. I just feel like if you're hooked
together the person above, you would at least feel some
kind of distress belong. They're not that far apart, right,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Climbing Everest, and it looks like they're probably good twenty
five feet apart.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But I mean that's enough of rope that if you
felt somebody fiddling with it to undo it on the
other end, you would think you would think, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
If all of a sudden you're pulling an empty rope,
I would think you would notice, But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So this correlates with other Mount Raineer disappearances that are notable,
like Sam de Ball in twenty twenty and Joel Wood
Junior in nineteen ninety nine. Lewis vanished with minimal evidence
despite extensive searches. This pattern of experienced individuals disappearing in
highly visible areas, often with a single item left behind.
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This aligns with the missing four to eleven criteria. The
lack of a body despite helicopter searches with thermal imaging
suggesting an unusual force, nature or otherwise as at play,
Lewis's disappearance remains unsolved, a haunting reminder of Mountaineer's unforgiving
nature and its unexplained mysteries. So that's the first number
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two we've got. The disappearance of Sam de Ball October ninth,
twenty twenty, my birthday. On October ninth, twenty twenty, doctor
Sam Deball a third, a thirty three year old anthropology
professor at the University of Washington, disappeared while hiking the
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Mother Mountain Loop trail near Mowich Lake and Mount Verineer's
National Park. D Baal, an experienced hiker with the history
of tackling challenging routes, including in the Himalayans, embarked on
a solo overnight hike. He was well equipped with a tent,
sleeping bag, snow gear, a cell phone with a charger,
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and significant food and water. His plan was to complete
the seventeen mile loop in return by October tenth. When
he failed to return, friends reported him missing on October twelfth,
initiating a large scale search The Mother Mountain Loop is
a moderately strenuous trail popular among hikers with scenic views
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but no extreme hazards under normal conditions. However, a storm
struck on October tenth, bringing heavy rain that wore washed
out the Carbon River, crossing a critical point on the loop.
This may have disrupted Duval's route. Search efforts involved approximately
fifty personnel, including ground teams, helicopter equipped with forward looking
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infrared radar cameras, drones, and scent dogs. The search covered
the trails and surrounding areas, focusing on riverbanks, forced his
slopes and potential camp sites. No traces were found during
the initial effort, no tent, clothing or sign of a struggle.
In October twenty twenty three, three years later, a hiker
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discovered a distinctive water bottle near Mother Mountains Loop, later
confirmed as the Balls. His remains the only physical evidence recovered.
Despite extensive searches. His body gear and other belongings were
never located, and the case remains open. The prevailing theory
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suggests of all was caught in the October tenth storm,
which could have led to disorientation or an accident. The
washout Carbon river crossing may have forced him to attempt
a dangerous fording, potential resulting in a drowning or injury.
How high up on the mountain is this he was?
I don't know if it's said how high he was
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he was it's on a seventeen mile loop. It doesn't
say how high out, but it's and it's not. They
said it's it's tough, but it's not crazy extreme. Okay,
you know people do this one all the time. Hypothermia
is another possibility, as temperatures drop significantly during the storm,
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and even experience hikers can circumb to wet cold conditions.
The absence of his body complicates this theory, though, as
the Carbon River was searched extensively, no remains were found downstream.
Could have been animal preditation, such as bears or cougars.
It's unlikely, though, so there's no signs of an attack
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anywhere we're discovered. Alternate explanations include devolved becoming lost and
wandering off trail into a denser terrain. Whereas gear may
have been buried by natural elements like mud, sline or
fallen branches. You think that stuff would pop up later
on down the road. If his water bottle popped up. Yeah,
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you know what I mean. Suicide is considered improbable, as
de Vault was recently started a covenant academic position and
showed no documented signs of distress. Foul play is also
unluckily given the remote location and lack of evidence suggesting
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other persons were involved. And then there's a paranormal theories
that due to Mountaineer's history. The missing four to eleven
framework notes patterns. In de Ball's case, he's an experienced
individual suddenly disappeared on a known trail, and a single item,
the water bottle, was found years later, just like with
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a backpack in the last case. The water bottles discovery,
isolated intact, aligns with stories of objects left as markers
by other worldly forces. UFO activity frequently reported in the
Cascades suggest a possible abduction, with the bottle left behind
as a remnant. It's also sasquatch theories in this case too.
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I think there is on anyone goes missing up there. Next,
we've got the disappearance of Edwin Birch July twelfth, twenty fourteen.
On July twelve, twenty fourteen, Edwin Birch A sixty four
year old resident of Tacoma, Washington, disappeared while hiking the
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Underland Trail in Mountaineer's National Park. Birch and his son
planned a nineteen mile day hike, starting from opposite ends
Box Canyon and White River campgrounds, a meeting at Indian
Bar shelter. The Wonderland Trail is a ninety three mile
loop encircling the mountain known for its scenic but rugged terrain. Birch,
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while not an expert hiker, was in good health and
carried standard gear, including a backpack, water, and snacks. At
Indian Bar, approximately halfway through the hike, Burch met his
son as planned. He appeared tired but reported no significant issues.
After resting, they continued with his son hiking ahead towards
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White River. Birch failed to arrive at the trailhead, prompting
his son to alert authorities. A search operation began immediately,
involving ground teams, helicopters, and sent dogs. The effort focused
on a trail between Indian Bar and White River, as
well as off trail areas including nearby rivers and forest slopes.
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No evidence was found during the initial search, no backpack,
clothing or signs of a fall or struggle. In twenty fifteen,
hikers discovered human remains near Fryingpan Glacier above Summerland, approximately
two miles off trail from Birch's last known location. The
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remains were later identified as birches, with the likely cause
of death attributed to exposure or a fall, but no
specific injuries such as fractures, were documented, and the exact
circumstances of his deviation from the trail remained unclear. The
official explanation suggests Birch became disoriented, possibly due to fatigue
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or mild altitude effects, and wandered off the trail into
more hazardous train, but he was a good distance off
By the time they found him. He was two miles
into the woods.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah it's way of trail YEP.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
The Woodland Trail, while marked, passes through areas with steep
drop offs and dense vegetation where a misstep could lead
to a fall or entrapment. Exposure to the elements, particularly
at high elevations, could have caused hypothermia, especially in Bert,
if Birch was unprepared for a prolonged stay outdoors. The
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discovery of his remains off trail support his theory, though
the distance from the trail raises questions about how far
he traveled so far without detection, And then you get
the alternate theories. It could have been a medical event
such as a heart attack or stroke, causing him a
de stray and collapse, however no medical history supports this.
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Then there's animal counter as if possible, but there was
no sign of an attack, and then foul play once
again not likely as Birch was with his son earlier
and there's no evidence suggests the third party was around
or involved. And then once again paranormal explanations are considered.
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Due to the reputation the missing four to one one
phenomena highlights cases like Birch's where individuals vanish on these
established trails and stuff, leaving no immediate trace. But they
did find his body, so it's not exactly the same
as the other ones. B many claim those who venture
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too far like Birch. Off trail remains fitting for this narrative,
though UFO theories linked to this region and histories of
siting proposed abduction with his body later deposited in a
remote area like the UFOs took him, and then that's
just fitting a narrative. You know, at that point right there,
this dude was. This is one I truly believe the
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dude just went off to them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I've gotten turned around in the woods many times. Really
easy to get lost. Why you would wander off the
trail was hard to say, right, Once you get lost,
it's really easy to get real fuck.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It's really easy to get completely turned around. Oh yeah, yeah,
completely turned around. The only thing is like with these
stories where it comes at hard, like nobody ever found
anything but the one item. It's just that so many
people hike these trails, you know. It's not like these
are just off in the woods where nobody's at. These
are trails that are well established trails that thousands upon
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thousands of people try, you know, hike all the time.
So when someone does go missing, it's like, hmm, especially
when they never find anything. This this one was found.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I'm not buying for a second that the UFO has
brought his body back.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
No, I mean, hold on, hold on. We just traveled
to Alpha Centauri. We got to drop him off. We
got to drop him back off a home probably about
two miles from where we left a body. Actress, This
one tastes Rable all Right their fourth one. This was
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the clustered disappearance of Michael Fortonberry, Nathan Lerner, and Austin
Chase in twenty twenty. In twenty twenty, three men Michael
Zachary Fortonberry, Nathan Lerner, and Austin Chase, all in their
early thirty thirties, disappeared near Fairfax Bridge and Carbon Carbonado, Washington,
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close to Mountaineer's National Park Northwest boundaries. Each case involved
in an abandoned vehicle found near the bridge, spinning the
Carbon River, with no signs of struggle of foul play.
The similarities in the cases occurring within the same year
in location make them particularly perplexing. Michael Fortonberry, thirty one,
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from Bonnie Lake, Washington, was last seen on February ninth,
twenty twenty. His car was discovered near Fairfax Bridge, empty
with no note or indication of his intentions. Search efforts
include divers in the Carbon River, ground teams sent dogs
and drones covering the surrounding forest riverbanks. There was no trace,
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no body, no clothing or gear. Wherever found. Nathan Lerner,
approximately thirty, vanished later in twenty twenty. His vehicle was
also found near Fairfax Bridge, similarly abandoned. Limited details are
available on the exact date of the circumstances, but the
search married Fortonberry's involving aerial and ground efforts with no result.
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His body and belongings still remain missing. Austin Chase, also
in his early thirties, disappeared in the same timeframe, with
his car located near Fairfax Bridge. As with the use
the others, no evidence of a struggle or destination, or
no evidence of struggle was found. Searches across the rugged
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terrain near the bridge and park boundaries yielded no clue,
and his fate remains unknown. The official theories supposed that
each man may have succumbed to an accident or an
intentional act. The carbon rivers, fast moving and deep, could
have swept them away in the attempts to cross, or
maybe they fell from the bridge. Suicide is considered as
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abandoned cars near bridges sometimes indicate such intent, but no
bodies or personal effects were ever recovered downstream, which is unusual.
Hypothermia exposure is possible given the February to fall timeline,
though the lack of gear or traces complicates this. Foul
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play is another theory, potentially involving a serial offender targeting
men in the area. However, no evidence such as de
signs of violence or witnesses supporting this. The men may
have left voluntarily abandoning their vehicles, but the similar profiles
and lack of prior distress makes this unlikely. Then you
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get the paranormal theories are prominent due to the fact
that all of these were so consistent. The Fairbanks Bridge
of proximity to Mountaineer ties it to the park's reputation
for these unexplained vanishings. The missing four to one one
framework knows patterns of multiple disappearance in specific areas with
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the abandoned vehicles and no traces. So I don't know
those three. It's so weird that they all went missing
rate in the same spot. I could see that being
a suicide, but there was never a suicide note left.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, one of them sounds like a suicide, any one
of them, but right, three of them.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Three of them all so close together, exactly the same
and they all disappear. That's super suspicious. So but I mean,
I don't know. Maybe that's a treasure treacherous spot, but
I mean, they're all real close together, all three of
them in a short timeframe, all in the same spot,
all went missing and never been recovered.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Is this like a highbridge close to the ground or
is it?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I don't know. Yeah, that's in the tough question.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, sometimes like those National Park bridges are right above
the river and other times right it's right at the river.
I would say suicide's unlikely.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
But if they're dumping off the high right, yeah, I
mean it's a They say the river is rough running,
it's like, no joke, the current's pretty. But which could
have I could see them being washed down river. But
typically if someone goes in the river, they usually find
the body. Not always, but I mean you're at what
in Washington. By the time that washed to the ocean.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know, chances that they wouldn't find all three of
them is pretty low.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I would think, yeah, yep, So I don't know. Then
we've got the disappearance of Joe Wood Junior July seventh,
nineteen ninety On July seventh, nineteen ninety nine, Joe Wood Junior,
a thirty four year old journalist from New York, disappeared
while visiting Mountaineer's National Park Wood was attending a journalism
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conference in Seattle, but left after the opening session, renting
a car and dividing and driving eighty seven miles to
the park. He entered via the Nisqually entrance at one
twenty two pm and was last seen at four point
fifteen pm on the Comet Falls Trail, a one point
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eight mile path leading to a three hundred and twenty
foot waterfall. Three hikers reported seeing him approximately four hundred
yards from the falls, appearing normal with the backpacking camera.
A seventeen day search began after Wood failed to return,
involving one hundred and twenty one personnel, eight cent dog teams,
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and helicopters with thermal imaging. The efforts covered twenty eight
miles square, focusing on the trails surrounding forests and areas
near the fall. No evidence was found, no backpack, no camera,
no clothing or signs of a fall. The trail is
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short and well traveled, making the absence of clues, particularly
striking Wood's body and belongings still remain missing. The official
theory suggests Wood fell into a ravine or crevasse near
the falls as the trail passes rocky terrain with steep drops.
The Van Trump Creek, which runs alongside it, could have
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carried remains away. Hypothermia is possible, though July weather is
pretty mild. Wood's lack of hiking experience may have led
to a misstep, but the trail's accessibility and the presence
of other hikers made this less likely. Then you've get
all the other explanations like disorientation causing him to wander off.
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He could have succumbed to exposure or suicide is probably unlikely.
He has no evidence suggesting that he was just stressed.
The conference attendance indicated he was engaged. Foul play is possible,
but improbable due to the remote location and lack of witnesses.
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A sign of a struggle. So another one with the
body is just the going missing hiking and stuff like that.
You can understand, it's just when they never recover the bodies.
It can happen, but it just doesn't seem Over four
hundred people have gone missing.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Out in the nature, though. I think the bodies disappear
pretty quickly between animals.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
They can be broken down, They can be.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Surely walked right over a body and not found it
for years.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
But yeah, but the bodies do, but typically the equipment
doesn't break down as fast. You know, a lot of
synthetics and stuff, especially with hiking equipment and coats and
warm weather gear stuff, that shit's built the last. Yeah,
And you know that's the kind of stuff you think
you'd see washed up and possibly people see it and
don't know. I don't know, but you would think the
body parts would be with it still. But you know,
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like if there's a backpack out in the wild, if
they had a backpack they're hiking with, you think that
would still be around somewhere. Even if a bear or
whatever tore a person apart, they might tear up the backpack,
but those remains last forever. You know. It wasn't it?
Uh didn't they find the parachute to uh jump out
of the plane? I did the story, BB Cooper. I
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mean that was like forever after it happened.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Right, I don't never heard that they found his parachute.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I think that was something more recent.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I would have to look into it.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
If they found may I may have just made it up.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
If they found his parachute, I never heard it.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Well, they there was something that came out in that case.
I think we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I found some new things later.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, but there's some possibility that they know who would
be is now. I think at the revisit from that
we yep, all right, and then I think this is
my last story. This is number six. The disappearance of
Karen Skyes June eighteenth, twenty fourteen. On June eighteenth, twenty fourteen,
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Karen Sky's, a seventy year old experienced hiker an outdoor
writer from Seattle, disappeared while hiking the aUI Hi Lakes
Trail and Mountaineer National Park. Sky's, known for her guide
books and extensive knowledge of the park, was hiking with
a partner at approximately five thousand feet in snowy conditions.
(38:43):
She told her partner she would scout ahead on the trail.
When she failed to return, her partner alerted authorities and
initiated a search. So this isn't like no, she's seventy, yes,
but she's an avid hiker. She's literally written, you know, guidebooks,
so she's no joke. The search involved ground teams, helicopters,
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and scent dogs, focusing on the trail and surrounding rugged terrain.
On June twenty first, twenty eighteen. Sky's body was found
off trail in a steep, rocky area near the trail.
The cause of death was not definitely determined, with exposure
or a fall considered likely. No significant injuries such as fractures,
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were reported, and the exact reason for her deviation from
the trail remains unclear. The official explanation says that Sky
became disoriented in the snowy conditions, wandered off trail, and
succumbed to hyperthermia or a fall. The aUI Hi Lake trails,
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while scenic, includes steep sections and snow fields, especially at
higher elevation, Even experienced hikers can lose their way in
low visibility. The discovery of her body relatively quickly suggests
she remained in the area, though her off trail location
(40:13):
is puzzling. Alternate theories include a medical event. Like we've
said before, it could have been a heart attack causing
her to stray off course, but she didn't have medical
She may have been seventy, but she was healthy as
they get a seventy years old. No but, and it
could have been an animal counter. I mean, if you
see a big bear in the trail, you may go
(40:33):
off trail real quick. Even if you did write the guys,
you know most of us would. Yeah, you never know
what kind of animal might I was just telling Ryan
that the deer almost stopped my little dog this morning
when went out the door, and Old Jack saw a
deer in her baby out front of the house, and
the baby took off. A mom started coming after the
(40:53):
dog stopping on the ground, had to swoop him up
and save his life. I'm kind of a hero anyways.
So anyway, she didn't have any real medical history. It
could have been an animal counter but there was no
nothing found that anything had caused that foul play was
also improbitable given the remote location. So her Karen Sky's
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death it remains a mystery. This highlights the Mountain's unpredictable dangers. So,
I mean there's just case after case after case.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I mean I just did six, but it was it
was three. There was nine different people.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
None of them jumped off the page at me as like,
oh my god, this is supernatural. But when you throw
together the sheer volume of them.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
That's yeah. You know, they all sound like they could
have they could have been literal just sircumbing to the
whatever in the water washed away into her boss.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
But it does sound like there's a shipload.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
But there's a ton of uh, I don't know, like
people that believe there's a lot of stuff going on
on mountain air. Yeah, you know, I mean that's a
lot of people to go missing, but I guess it
depends on the number of people that are hiking those
trails too. You know, if you four hundred people's a
shit ton of people that go missing. But if you
(42:18):
got you know, one hundred thousand people going through, the
numbers not quite as crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, I mean, when you're higher on the mountain, there's
obviously more dangerous activity, is the likelihood of a death
or disappearances.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
H So there are a lot of there's a big
connection to people going missing in national parks, but personally
in this case, the ones that I did, I don't
believe any of them are paranorim I don't there's a
pot some of them are very peculiar. You wonder what
the hell happened? Why it was like the dude who unhitched,
(42:53):
what was that about? You know, you had two other
people you're with, You're just going to walk off and
dig a cave? Because of the weather. That doesn't make
it any cents at all. You wouldn't let the people
know that you think it's too bad or that's strange,
for sure, And it's when they don't find the body.
The three people that die in the exact same way
in the same spot's probably the most suspicious. But it
(43:13):
could be a bad spot. It could be suicide, It
could be a lot of things like that. Nothing reaches
off the page as being paranormal to me in this,
even though I want to link it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, you know, not if I'm jumped off the page
as mean as paranormal either, But it's hard to say.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah. So, but there. You could go on for days
on the different cases, and these are all more recent.
This is I don't think I did what ninety nine.
I think was the furthest I went back and after
that it was like twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Most of them were experienced too, So.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, a lot of them were experienced or at least
in decent shape or whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
So let us know what you guys think, especially anybody
in that region with a little more knowledge than we have.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
A lot of the yeah, Kelly, if you're listening, let
us know, let us know what you know.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
A good story about it? I like that that over
the firepit.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Guess catch you over there?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
I guess you know what's time it is?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Can't you try to volume men?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
All right? You guys know the routine before we do
the fire pit. If you guys have any stories, funny, paranormal,
any interesting stories you tell your friends around the firepit,
sent them in Beyond the Shadows two o seven at
gmail dot com or hit us up on any of
our socials. This week's firepit comes to us from a manual.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
So Beyond the Shadows is manny. I want to share
a couple incentives that happen. I've been wanting to share
this but never really had the competence to do it.
I mean, it might be a little on the influence
right now, but shoot, I said, fuck that, this is
(45:01):
a perfect time shirt. Anyways. It has to do with sleeparalysis.
There's two incidents that happened that actually still out more
than the rest. I've had a couple a few sleeperalysis
incidents or experiences. The first one actually happened a few
years ago when I was renting a room in or
(45:25):
an apartment complex with one of my friends. I was
actually in my room when I woke up, and obviously
during sleeperalysis, like you could really do is open your eyes,
see everything that it's in place, everything's intact. You pretty
much seem like you didn't exactly go to sleep. But
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what I saw was the dark figure floating or hovering
on the ceiling, the top side, and eventually it shot
out to the corner of the room, standing still, creating
a figure, a tall figure which just stood at the corner.
(46:06):
For some reason, I could even though it was a shadowy,
shadowy figure, I was able to see in sense that
I was looking at me. While I was laying in bed,
I wasn't able to move trying to move, I couldn't move,
but I felt obviously this dark presence, and when I
was staring at the corner of my eye, I ended
(46:29):
up seeing a cat, like a dark cat, obviously a
black hat, jump on top of the bed, walk over
towards me. Ended up laying on top of my chest
or sitting on top of my chest, and it was
like I was having trouble, I guess breathing, but I
think it was mainly because I was freaked out. And
(46:52):
when I finally woke up, I was able to move
shake my body because I was trying to fucking get
out of that scared that I had. I ended up
waking up. I walked outside of the room because I
was I was a little freaked out. I noticed that
(47:12):
it was around twelve something, pretty much almost one. Obviously,
at that time, I was like, oh shoot, you know,
it's freaking twelve o'clock. Oh shit, and it has something
to do with you know, evil spirits and some shit
like that. I have no clue. The second one actually
happened a few years ago where I was actually laying
(47:33):
down in the living room. This was after you know,
got married stuff like that. Anyways, I was in the
living room laying down couch when all of a sudden
I woke up in sleep balysis. I ended up seeing
the same kind of figure. This time it wasn't hovering
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on top of nose ceiling and you know, on top
of me. It was just standing in the corner closer
to the kitchen, and it was just standing there and
the same feeling that it was looking at me. Wasn't
able to move, and all of a sudden I seen
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this figure which I could only at the moment or
you know, after it happened, I could only describe as
an older lady, shorter lady, wearing these raggedy clothes, just
walking kind of slow across the living room towards the
(48:36):
dining area. It seemed like it was saying something or
just mumbling or something in a lower voice kind of
faded because I couldn't hear exactly what it was, but
I seen that in the corner of my eyes. I
was trying to move my head, but I couldn't. When
I was seen woke up again. I ended up getting up,
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but before I actually stood up or sat down, I
ended up hearing a fainted voice on the the hallway
from one room to the bathroom. There's a hallway. Of
what I could hear for like a quick couple of
seconds was a little voice, kind of like a girl voice, saying,
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sh don't dull mom. As soon as that happened, I
fully was awake, and I was like shit myself. I
guess I ended up getting up going towards the hallway
for some stupid reason. It's like one of those you
know scenes that you see in one of those horror movies,
like why the fuck are you even.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Going over there?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
But I didn't.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I went over to see what it was or if
there was any win there.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
No, I wanted.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
To make sure it wasn't. But anyways, I didn't see anything.
I didn't knows anyone opened the door or anything like that,
and that actually threw me back, and I actually had
a research to the next day because I was like,
what the hell was that? The only thing obviously I
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found was that person that saw that being, which I
guess is described as the Old Hag, which is crazy
because I've never heard before. I never heard it before,
like until that happened. And just the fact that people
around the world have actually seen that shit I'm not
the only one, you know, kind of makes me I
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want to say a question things, but it kind of
makes me interested to see if there's more people like
that that experienced that kind of stuff. And I would
really actually like to know, or people could put it
on the notes that they experienced the same kind of
shit or seeing the same kind of you know, being
the Old Hag. I don't know, actually really like you
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guys' opinions on have you even heard of it or
cases of it? That'd be great. And if somebody else
has the same kind of experience anyways, thinking.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
That was a really good story, Manny.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah, great story, Mannie, thank you for sending that in.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I can answer you a question right off the bat.
I've been sitting on mine, so I'm not going to
get into it tonight. But I have experienced almost exactly
what you have experienced, so you are not the only one.
Though mine wasn't identical to yours. I'm going to do
it actually an episode on the hat Man, the Old Hag.
They're similar to me. Some people think it's sleep paralysis,
others don't. Some people see them during the day, some don't.
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Might have been similar to him, where it's sleeping slash awake.
You're not quite sure, but you'll have experienced it.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
The Old Hag is like a succubist or Incubis, which
one is.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
There's one hundred different theories. Yeah, shadow people their shadow people,
for sure. I've heard of people seeing them during daylight hours.
Most experience are during sleep.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
The most terrifying part of that for me is like
you're seeing that and you can't move. No, that's what
makes it even more. You know, it's one thing if
you at least get a chance to defend yourself against
something but when you're completely paralyzed, you're fucked.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
That's what makes some people think that you're it's part
of the sleep paralysis, you know, quite awake. I don't
buy that, have experience of myself. I don't feel that
I'm asleep, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
You're right, you're you feel like, Yeah, I don't think
I've had that. I've had times where I woke up
and like, my arms are real sluggish. I could barely
move them and stuff like that. You don't know if
it's from sleeping on them or whatever, But I haven't
had sleep paralysis like that.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
I can tell you the other experience exact same thing.
You can't quite breathe, you can't quite move, and you're
not alone.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
And that's real common. Like the all is sitting on.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
The fuck she's never been sitting on my chest. But
I've definitely not been alone in the room. And there's
a shadowy figure in the corner. You're like, what the fuck?
Uh so y'all get I'll get in no more detail
on mind, manny, but uh yeah, I agree with you.
You're not alone. And I'm sure we've got plenty of
listeners that have experienced something someone yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
If you guys have let us know, let manny know.
I could say, like, I've heard things in my sleep.
I can tell you just the other day, I was
sleeping during the day and I'd only been asleep for
like maybe thirty minutes, and I heard, clear as day,
someone yelled code blue. And that's I work in the hospital.
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And I heard someone screaming out loud that so I
snapped up out of bed and was looking around trying
to make out where the hell I was. And it
seemed like it was someone in the house screaming code blue.
But it was definitely in my dream. But I was
one hundred percent convinced that I heard someone yell.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Are you sure you weren't sleeping at work? You know
you have a tendency to go yet Now it was
a real code blue, But.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
No, I mean it happened. My wife and son were
up there downstairs, and I heard it clear as a bell,
like somebody yelled it. I even asked her, I'm like,
did you guys yell down here? Know why I have
heard code blue? But I guess I dreamt it. It
was loud too in my head. Anyways, Anyways, great story.
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We really appreciate it, you guys. If you have any stories,
get them in be on the Shadows two o seven
at gmail dot com and uh we will catch you
in the next one.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Later guys,
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