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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everybody, join us as we delve into our favorite
dark tales and paranormal mysteries.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Venture with us beyond the safe places that exist in daylight.
As we go Beyond the Shadows, true crime, paranormal hauntings, UFOs,
cryptids and unsolved mysteries, conspiracy theories, past lives, reincarnation and
all the like are.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Just a few of the topics that we will tackle.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
If it haunts your fucking dreams, then it will be
on our show.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Do you know what the most in the world is?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
On the shuttles where you found me at you can't
see me in the deepest blacks when your heart starbus
and then you see their cracks, all these creepy things
that you why at track Bull, the demens be, where
the actions at. So this enough you want it, UFOs,
all the ghosts. We got everything that you want.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
It won't do you know what the thing in the
world is?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Hey, guys, and welcome back to episode one Fight of
Beyond the Shadows.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Welcome back Shadow Army. Hope you guys are all having
an amazing week so far.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Little Housekeeping. We did get a nice review from let
Me See Shahima from Australia. We had to check the
flags because we get a flag on it. We weren't
sure between New Zealand and Australia. They're close. Your flags
are very similar. Yeah, but we did. We took the
time and probably still got it wrong. The shadows goes
(01:41):
the extra one we do and there's also another rating
on Spotify. So whoever did that? Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, as we said, we can't see those, but thank
you for taking the time.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
We appreciate it. Guys. We have a special guest in
the studio today. Is a fucking cricket somewhere around here
that I thought I murdered. It's like six of them. Yeah,
don't know. They're just like noisy cockroaches. Man, they are.
I don't know where they came from. But we ryan
carried one out and now there's still one whatever cricket.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I tried to do the right thing. I took
him outside alive, but apparently I should have made an example.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I just slotted it in front of the rest. Get
out of here. This is your faeton. Fuckers going to
have to bomb down here or something. Sorry, paw. What's
in the news this week?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So we get a Russian man named Dmitri. He recently
makes an online post. He says it's for a joke
or a social experiment, which he offers one hundred thousand
rubles or about eleven hundred and eighty dollars in American
money to anyone willing to sell their soul. He didn't
expect a response, but he got one immediately. A twenty
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six year old woman named Karina was willing to sell
her soul, and she had no problem signing the contract
with her own blood and blood. I'd be able to
wear this. It's not gonna work out.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Hey, if you see what she needed the money.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
For, it was worth it. She told the press she
wasn't at all worried about what was to become of
her soul, and that she planned to use the money
to buy a la.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Boo boo let boo boos.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I've never heard that word.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh my god, dude, there we got a couple upstairs.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh yeah, she planned to buy a lu booboo doll
collection and to go to a folk rock concert. That's
what she sold her soul.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, they're the most ridiculous, little tiny little I don't
know if they're bunnies or what they are they got there.
It's like a huge fad right now. It's ridiculous, and
they cost a forte. It's like a dog.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Some of you can machine she just sold sold her
So it looks like something you could get out of
a claw machine for like a buck.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And they cost they're not cheap. It guess they're rare.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Apparently so, Dmitri posted pictures of the sign contract, but
says he has no idea what he's now gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Do with it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The Russian Orthodox Church has condemned the act, warning that
Karina has quote sold her soul and chosen evil.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
No, she chose a laboo.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
They predicted she will suffer a decline, illness, suffering, and
even death as a result of what she's done. So
we're gonna include a link for all you guys that
want to join the Russian orthodox.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Y, he says, A good way to get following you
put your little boobu in the basket, else you get
these gets.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
The h Two teenagers visited a branch of the Hidalio
restaurant chain and Shanghai, and they took turns standing on
a table and pissing into some hot pot broth that
was in a private dining room. They filmed themselves and
posted the footage online.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Again, what you know, how often have we done this
story about somebody pissing in something and.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Filming themselves and filming that's how they get caught. First
of all, it's a disgusting knack. I did stupid shit
growing up and nothing like that. That's just just disgusting.
What ever even occurred to me to do something?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
How many people you think actually ate that shit?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The restaurant would have you believe zero, But they didn't.
It didn't get discovered until these guys posted it. So
a lot a restaurant in Shanghai, jesus.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
A lot, Yeah, lots and lots.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So after they posted it, they stated it was an
intentional act and that they were fully aware of the
negative impact. So they can't even claim afterwards and we
didn't we mentioned as a harmless prank. No you didn't,
because you just said you didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And it turns out it was delicious. Do you imagine.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They've been employed as full time pissers. I would have
turned into a career.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
This is what they do.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The restaurant chain immediately issued an apology. They assure the public.
They did thorough clean and sanitizing of well the affected
airs areas, and they issued four thousand customers compensation and
the amount of ten times what they paid.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I don't know that anyway. Could you ever go back
to that restaurant.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
No, but I mean I'd say that's about the best
of the restaurant can do ten times what they paid.
I mean the restaurant just ate some serious shows.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh yeah for sure. But I mean you're always going
to think about that if you go back to that restaurant,
you know it's done.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Could I get it with all the pistol items? I
don't want to offend the show, so house the soup.
The two seventeen year olds were named Wu In Tang
Woo time.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
That's why they did it. I know, I saw that,
like that can't be real.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think that's why I got my attention. Blitz Wu
Tang bitch so Wu Tang, along with their parents have
been ordered to pay the equivalent of two point four
million in damages for business lost, reputational harm and other costs.
That sounds high to me, but I don't blame them.
That restaurants there there after that absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
During heavy traffic on Friday, September fifth, and Prince George,
British Columbia, the Royal Canadian mount mount To Police had
caused to pull over a driver who was operating in
a dangerous manner. At about nine am, police pulled the
vehicle vehicle over which happened to be a hot pink
Barbie jeep.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
He's going too fast which top five miles.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
The driver was identified as Casper Lincoln, who did not
have a valid driver's license and he was over the
legal limit of alcohol.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Fudde I saw what they gave him. Was it like
a you you it's not a It would be a
d ui here in the States.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It's a day.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You get a bunch of terms for o uy.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Do you know what I mean? Do you think that's
We've gone over this before, because it's like I told you,
a friend of mine got a DUI for riding a bisy.
I've heard of that too, and that's bullshit because those
people literally did that because they didn't want to drive
a car.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't know if I can disagree with this one.
He was driving, I mean he was driving on the
roads literally during rush hour. If anything, he's gonna cause
an accident because he's driving the hot pink Barbie right down.
But dude, and he needed an icy slurpy and.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
That's what he was going for, going for slurpy.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Told the cops he just had a hanker for a slurpee,
so he stole his roommate's daughter's car to go and
get one, and now he's in some serious trouble. Dude,
just take your own car if you're gonna drive drunk.
I'm not condoning it. But the hot pink jeep, the barbie,
it's gonna draw a lot more. I don't know once
this is over.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Liam's got two hot wheels, uh four wheelers in the
backyard we could take down, give it a show, give
it a go.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
He's probably thinking, this car so small they won't even notice.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Me, right, and the pink blends right at.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Lastly, we have a doctor at Tameside Hospital in Manchets,
England named suhl Jum. He had a patient on the
operating table all prepped for surgery when he basically called
a time out and told a nursing assistant that he
needed quote a comfort break, and he asked them to
keep an eye on his patient for him. A different
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nurse then walked in on him and a third nurse
having sex and a separate operating He returned ten minutes
later to perform the.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Procedure to perform again. This is his second performance. I'm exhausted,
but it's take a nap.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The woman who had walked in on them reported the incident,
which happened in September of twenty twenty three. It's only
recently come to light because the doctor is living back
in his home country a Pakistan, but has replied to
return to England, hoping to work as a doctor again.
He states in his words, this is a one off
era of juge ja.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, he only got off on it's because he had
to get back to the operating room.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It happened during quote a stressful time at home though,
and he and his wife were failing to connect as
a couple.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh well, so, I mean that person on the table
probably didn't well, you know, he was horny. I get it. Anyways, Up,
I've gotta do what you gotta do. I'll go back
to sleep. I'm not pressing any charges. It's gy code. Yeah.
So that's it for the news this week, all right, well,
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what are you doing. I don't even know what you're
doing this.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Week, which I just just figured it out the other
day myself. So, uh, this is my last episode before
we go into spooky season. You'll have one more. So
I wanted to do a true crime, but I wanted
to do something a little bit different. So, uh, if
you're familiar with a gilded age, that's going back away
as it's kind of when after the Civil War, during
the era when America first is when you first started
to see the humongous difference between the really wealthy and
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the really poor in America. So that's when you got
your Vanderbilts, your rocket Fellons and all that.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So so like now right.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
As now it is SIMI now, but before those ages,
you the rich and the poor were not that different.
But after the Industrial Revolution you had a humungous disparency.
And I've covered a lot of cases with the uh
it's usually the poor folks doing it. So I wanted
to cover a couple of cases where it was who's
the rich folk acting worse that rich folks were acting?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I've heard I don't know that one.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
We're gonna call this one when the upper crust goes
bad nice. So we're gonna cover a couple of them.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So all right, look forward to this. All right, guys,
we'll catch over there, do you know what.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So we're going to start our trip back to the
Gilded Age of America in Chicago. Adolph Lutgart was born
on December twenty seventh, eighteen forty five, and good Slow,
Westphilia and what was pre unification Germany. He was the
fourth of sixteen children.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Man, that is wow. Can you imagine I was sixteen kids? No, No,
I'm tired with one. I have four, but only three
and then one. You know, yeah, I can't imagine sixteen.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
At that point you just loft the work on the
other fifteen, you know a little.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I have a buddy that has ten kids, and the
older kids definitely were taking care of the other ones.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So he came to the US as a young man,
and he arrived somewhere in the same general time frame
as the Chicago Fire of eighteen seventy one. Lukeert would
later explain that he moved through a series of jobs
and leather tanneries before starting a saloon on the corner
of Clybourne and Webster Avenues. He married in his late
twenties to Caroline rope Key, and they had two children together.
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She passed away in eighteen seventy seven. The following year,
he married again to Louise Pickneyes, a pretty domestic servant
who recently arrived from Germany or herself. She was ten
years younger than he was, and they married on January eighteenth,
eighteen seventy eight. Together they had four more children, so
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he now has six. He briefly opened a sausage business
at the site of his former saloon, before then moving
to a farm near Elgin. The call of the sausage
proved too strong for him, and he was soon back.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
There's many women that have said that same thing. It's
the call of the sausage. It's the lore. It's just
the lore. He was soon back the other night, but
then the call of the.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Ditch my friends for the sausage. So he moved back
to Chicago. He opens another sausage factory, this time at
the corner of North and Sheffield Avenues. His business business
thrived and soon he outgrew his factory. He purchased the
land at the corner of Diversity Parkway and Hermitage Avenue
for thirty thousand dollars and spent another one hundred and
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forty thousand on construction for his new factory. So that
would equate to about four million dollars today. That's had
a lot of money. Robert Lorizel, who wrote the two
thousand and three book Alchemy of Bones, Chicago's Lutgert case
of eighteen ninety seven. So he said he supposedly came
up with a secret sausage making making recipes.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's probably just him bragging about how great his sausage was.
And I think all guys do that. We're all guilty
of that to.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
A certain degree. Lutgert sold his.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Sausages at the eighteen ninety three World's Colombian Exposition, which
proved so successful that he soon became known as the
sausage King of Chicago. The Colombian Exposition, or better known
as the World's Fair, also saw the invention of the
ferris wheel, and it proved to be the hunting ground
of the notorious serial killer HH holme Us. So it
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was a busy time in Chicago. A Chicago Tribune article
from October nineteenth, eighteen ninety seven, described the level of
adoration and respect Lutgert received around the neighborhood. They gave
him a wide berth when he went along the sidewalk
with his great danes panting after him. When he spoke
to them, they pulled off their hats. He employed more
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men than almost any one a mile around, and the
neighborhood looked on his factory as a place where all
the money in circulation originated. In eighteen ninety seven, his
fortunes turned when he fell victim to a swindle. He
went deeply in hawk to the banks to stay afloat,
and his marriage began to crumble. The financial stress wasn't
the only reason for this. Despite looking like a bulldog,
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and if you've seen pictures of him, Lutgert is not
a good looking man, not at all. He was known
to be something of a womanizer. One writer of his
day described him as having a face of suet, hey guys,
and a large, unkept mustache that was the perse fricked
host for beer foam.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Sounds like a keeper. If that's got you ladies turned on,
it's that factory that makes him so good looking. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He told his wife that he frequently needed to stay
at the factory around the clock to keep an eye
on things. In a little bedroom next to his office,
he often spent the night with his twenty two year
old housekeeper. He was also wooing a wealthy widow by
the name of Christina Feld. He sent her a series
of gooey love letters that would later come to light.
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So at about ten fifteen pm on the night of
Saturday May first, Louise was standing in her kitchen talking
to her twelve year old son, Louis. He had attended
the circus that evening and was telling her all about
it when Adolph walked into the room and ordered the
boy to immediately go to bed. When he went to bed,
it was only his mother and father downstairs together. When
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he woke up the next day, his father told him
that his mother was gone. She had left Adolf due
to their financial troubles and had simply moved away. That's
what he was telling people, and he was sticking with it.
Three days later, Louise's brother paid Adolf a visit. Adolf
told him that she was gone, but admitted that he
had not bothered to search for and he had not
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notified the police. She might have gone away wandered away.
I don't know something like that. That's a quote, so much,
so much concern, he was reported to have said. It
should be noted that only a month earlier, his great
Dane had run off, and he had literally sprinted to
the police station immediately and begged for help. Was friend there,
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but the dog wasn't cock blocking him with his housekeeper,
Louisa's brother contacted the police and they began an extensive search,
scouring the neighborhoods and dragging the river, but nothing was found.
The newspapers covered her disappearance in detail, and people all
over the region were claiming sightings of Louise. Police zeroed
in on Adolf himself relatively quickly, but when they searched
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both the house and the factory, they turned up empty handed.
On May fifteenth, they were contacted by the factory's night watchman,
Frank Bialk. Apparently, on the night his wife disappeared, Adolf
had been acting suspiciously and had secluded himself from the
factory's basement with one of the large steam vats used
in making sausages. The vat had been cleaned recently, but
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still contained a thick, greasy, reddish liquid that stunk horribly.
Authorities drained the vat and at the bottom found several
small bones and a wedding ring engraved with the initials
l L. In a nearby ashpile, they found more bone,
a false tooth, a hair pin, and pieces of cloth.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He made sausage out of her.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Seems so ha a. Adolf Luegert was arrested and charged
with his wife's murder. Viction would be difficult, however, without
a body, and forensics was in its infancy at the time.
Adolph still held on to the fact that his wife
was alive, so they would have to prove that she
was not. They turned to an expert witness, George Dorsey,
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the first person to be awarded a pH d in
anthropology from Harvard University. After carefully examining the bones recovered
in the factory, he was able to determine that they
were part of the skull and thigh bone of a
small adult female. After three days of deliberation, the jury
was unable to come to a verdict and a mistrial
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was declared. Two months later, Lutgert was brought to trial
a second time, and this time the sausage king was
found guilty. He was sentenced to life in prison, but
he served barely a year in prison before dying of
heart disease in eighteen ninety nine at the age of
fifty three.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Wow he served her up.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I I wonder a lot of times if this story
had anything to do with, like all the weird rumors
about what's in slim gyms or hot dogs or stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh, yeah, you you've heard of Willie Picton. Yeah, he
did the same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah. Yeah, disgusting almost say. I mean, there's all kinds
of weird stuff happening in factories, but you gotta assume this,
this story had something to do with the hot dog, sausage,
slim gym rumors.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh yeah, I don't want to know what's in a
hot dog. If it's I don't think if I'm cool
with it.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, they always they alway at the bottom, I will
say something like various flavorings and stuff, and you don't want.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
To know it's Steve. This flavor is Steve.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
What's what's in here? Just goodness? A lot of goodness?
Is this another wedding ring?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It is? It's just a casing full of heaven. That's
all you need to know.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Next up, we have Edward Leslie Malino. He was a
decorated general in the Civil War. After he came back
home to Brooklyn, New York, a hero, he opened a
successful paint manufacturing company and earned a fortune. He became
a prominent figure in politics, public affairs, and he ran
in the highest of social circles. His son, Roland Burnham Mollino,
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was born on August twelfth of eighteen sixty six, and
he was afforded every advantage in life. He had the
best of educations, and like his father, he ran in
the city's most prominent families ran with him, excuse me.
He became a champion amateur gymnast, was thought to be
very handsome and an eligible bachelor. He briefly took a
job as a chemist for his father's paint company. Roland
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was also thought to be a snotty and entitled douchebag
by almost everyone who encountered him. In eighteen ninety five,
at the age of twenty seven, he joined Manhattan's exclusive
Knickerbocker Athletic Club, which was only available to the city's
richest and most prominent citizens. Malineau liked to complain to
management about any members who displeased him or that he
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thought unworthy of membership, and he would demand their removal.
His demands were largely ignored, and not long after he joined,
the club hired a new athletic director named Harry Cornish.
For reasons unknown, Roland took an immediate dislike to the
popular new athletic director, and he accused him of all
sorts of violation of the gym rules and policies. Around
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Christmas time of eighteen ninety seven, Malineau went to the
club's board of directors and demanded that Cornish be let
go or he would be quitting the club. The board
unanimously voted to retain Cornish and informed Malina the Cornish
was not leaving. See and so he made good on
his little pout and he resigned the club.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
He showed those fuckers take that.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm done. What are you gonna do now? Almost exactly
a year later, Christmas Eve eighteen ninety eight, Cornish receives
an anonymous package in the mail. It contained a small
bottle of Emerson's Bramo Seltzer with no note of any sort.
He brought it back to the apartment he shared with
his cousin Catherine Adams. Adams and her daughter, Florence. Three
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days after the package arrived, his cousin woke up feeling
under the weather. She mixed some of the Bramo seltzer
with water and drank it, falling dead almost immediately.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, you may not want to drink shit that just
the arrives in the man.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
No, that's always weird to me. Yeah, there's no chance
I'd be taking that. He'd be going to the trash immediately,
thank you, whoever, I'm not at Analysis of the bottle
of Bromo seltzer revealed it had been spiked with cyanide.
It took less than twenty four hours to make the
connection that Cornish was not the first person connected with
the Knickerbocker to be sent poisoned. But amazingly, it wasn't
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detectives who turned up this fact, but reporters for the
city's Yellow Papers were which essentially the Gilded Age National Enquirer.
They figured it out only six weeks before where Cornish
received his package, A club member named Harry Crossman Barnett
also received an anonymous package. This one included no note
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as well, and it contained cutnose improved effervescent powder, which
was more or less alcacelts from one hundred years ago.
After a late night of partying on the town, he
returned home and took some of the medication, becoming violently
ill shortly afterwards. He lingered for both three days before
he too died. The powder was analyzed and was found
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to contain cyanide. Police had a murder on their hands,
but they could find no suspects in this case went nowhere.
But this second murder, with a connection of the Knickerbocker
was the break that they needed. What did the two
men have in common other than the club they had
both made an enemy of Roland Molino. Barnett had been
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wooing an aspiring opera singer named Blanche Chessbro whom Moano
also had his heart set on. She had jilted Molino
for Barnett, then changed her mind when she realized that
Barnett was nowhere near as wealthy as Molina. Before the
package had even been mailed, however, she had already accepted
an engagement from Molino. When she heard Barnett was ill,
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she sent him a note which read, I want to
see you so much. Please do not be cross anymore
and except I pray you my very best wishes, yours Blanche.
Police had enough evidence to make an arrest and Roland
Molino was arrested and charged with the murder of Catherine
Adams only so he was not charged with the murder
of Barnett. They didn't think they had enough though they
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think he did.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Both, even though it's exactly the same as the case.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
They still do that stuff today though pick with thee.
I think they have the best chance at the conviction
on and you or the other one. For whatever reason,
they chose the Catherine Adams one in this case. The
arrest and subsequent trial made national headlines when it began
in November of nineteen excuse me, eighteen ninety nine. The
prosecution sought to bring up the details of the Henry
Corps Crossman Barnett murder during the proceedings, and this led
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to the landmark New York Molina Rule, which prohibits the
admission of evidence connected to defend its previous uncharged crimes
in an attempt to prove their propensity to have committed
the crime in question. It can be admitted only if
it pertains to a very specific material issue which proves motive, intent, identity,
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or scheme, and this rule is still in effect to today,
so mono rule still exists.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Molina was found guilty and sentenced to death. He was
sent to Sing Sing to await his execution, but Daddy's
political clout was strong and his verdict was overturned on appeal.
Only two years later, of course, it was he was
given a second trial. In this time he was acquitted.
Blanche had actually married Molineux before she knew that Barnett
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had been murdered, so after the murder, but before it
was deemed to be a murder, she had accepted his
marriage proposal and married him. Once she figured out it
was murder, she no longer wanted to be married to him.
She initially believed it was just an unfortunate accident. On
the stand, he admitted he had been having sex with
a thirteen year old employee of his father's company before
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he met Blanche. He had promised to marry the girl,
but when he met Blanche, he fired her and forgot
about her instead. Blanche left New York for Sioux Falls
before Molinau was acquitted at the second trial, and she
filed for divorce. She later remarried to her attorney and
lived a long life. Roland, upon his release, took to
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writing poems in a novel, both of which were poorly received.
He later wrote a play, which was also poorly received.
He got married in nineteen twelve, but by the following
year he began to exhibit strange behavior, and his parents
had him placed in a sanitarium on Long Island.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Oh, oh, it's not good to go to sanitarium back
in those days.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Coming out, he later escaped. Oh, that's the only way
you get out.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's the only way you get out of a senate.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But upon his escape, he assaulted several men before being
declared insane and sent to the state hospital. He died
there at the age of fifty one in nineteen seventeen
from advanced syphilis. Damn, that's what got al Capone, right,
it is, that's absolutely what got him.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yep, Wow, all right, we got one more story for you.
We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Do you know what the world is?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
All right?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
So this last case is about the murder of Stanford White.
Stanford White was born on November ninth, eighteen fifty three,
and at the turn of the century he was an
architect at the firm of McKim mead and White. He
had no formal architectural training, but learned the trade on
the job through on the job experience. Today, he is
widely considered one of the greatest architects of his or
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any generation. He designed Washington Square arch the Second Madison
Square Garden, Pennsylvania Station, Boston Public Library, and several of
the mansions in Newport, Rhode Island, amongst many others nice
He got married in eighteen eighty four to Elizabeth Bessie
Springs Smith. After their marriage, they took a six month
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honeymoon in both Europe and the Near East.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Just six months.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I said, Oh, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
That's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You can't even relax on only six months. It's too rushed.
On their honeymoon, they accumulated antiques for both their own
collections and for those of clients. Once back in New York,
he began to develop a reputation as a womanizer who
had an affinity for all things of the flesh. He
was particularly interested in young girls. The term wasn't in
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use then, but today he'd definitely be called.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
A s actual predator.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
He was a scumbag. He had a multi story Manhattan
apartment with a rear entrance on twenty fourth Street. He
would groom a great many young girls here, bringing them
in and out using the apartment's rear entrance. Simon Batt
said in this twenty eighteen book The Girl on the
Velvet Swing, Sex, Murder and Madness at the Dawn of
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the twentieth Century that White was quote one of a
group of wealthy rue It's not a word I'm familiar
with now, I don't know what that is, all members
of the Union Club, who organized frequent orgies and secret
locations scattered around the city. White's own granddaughter, Susannah Lassard,
wrote in her book The Architect of Desire that her
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grandfather lost all interest in women after quote all new
sensations were exhausted. She said his victims were barely pubescent
and in fragile social and financial situations. Girls wouldn't be
unlikely to resist his power, money, in considerable charm. This
is his grand without a doubt. One young girl he
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set his sights on was Evelyn Nesbit. She began her
career as an artist model in Philadelphia before moving to
New York in nineteen hundred at the age of fifteen.
Before long, she had achieved an iconic status and became
America's first supermodel. She was huge back then. Oh wow,
she was featured on cigar nmodel.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They didn't use that word, but that's exactly what she was.
She was featured on cigar labels, Coca Cola calendars, and
toothpaste ads, among many other plays. So she was everywhere.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
That's an actual person. I just assumed I could think
of the one that's on the Coca Cola.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, I think of all of those ones you see
are her, though it's usually cartoons, you know, not an
actual picture, right, like a dry yeah of her. Yeah,
that's her. It didn't take long for her to attract
the attention of Stanford White. White had the approval of
Nesbit's mother to take on a caretaking role and her
desire to become an actor. He was helping her to
gain a foothole in the upper society, and he provided
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her with a weekly allowance of twenty five dollars, which
is about one thousand dollars today, So it's a decent.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
A thousand dollars a week.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
He paid a lot of money to have her teeth
worked on because he found bad teeth to be a
turn off personally, and if you're trying to advocate for
her career, what do you care? What turns you on
and off? A little strange how.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Bad teeth are? Bad teeth? They are? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
He bought her expensive gifts like a ruby and diamond ring,
a large pearl on, a big platinum chain, bunch of furs,
stuff like that. He paid to move Evelyn and her
mother from a boarding house into a hotel. On one occasion,
he brought her to his hotel and he got her
drunk on champagne and possibly drugged her as well. When
she was passed out, he raped her on his canopede bed.
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She was sixteen, he was forty seven. For the next
six months, they maintained a sexual relationship and were near
constant companions. After their quote relationship ended, they remained in
touch with him, continuing to act as her benefactor. When
she began dating another man, he conspired with her mother
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to end the relationship by sending her away to a
boarding school in New Jersey. Another admirer of Evelyn was
a man named Harry K. Thaw from Pittsburgh. Thaw was
the son of a millionaire industrialist, and he was known
to be a deeply unstable playboy. He had shown signs
of mental illness from early childhood. Thaw pursued her with
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an intensity that was likely equal parts infatuation with her
and his already deep hatred of White. Thaw considered White
to be his personal nemesis, even though White had long
moved on to other underage girls. At this point, White
considered Thaw to be a joke. He referred to him
as a poser, a clown, and the Pennsylvania pug due
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to his baby face features. Nesbit was initially not at
all interested in Harry Thal. She found his strange intensity
and looks to be off putting. Eventually, she began to
find his single minded pursuit of her in his charm
to be appealing. They embarked on a tour of Europe,
where he proposed to her multiple times, but each time
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she turns him down. On one such proposal in Paris,
she explained to him that she could not become as
bride as she was not a virgin. He convinced her
to reveal all the details of Stanford White's sexual assault
to him, which caused him to begin to stew a
great deal. When they stayed at a grim castle in Bavaria,
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he had all the hotel staff stay on one to
the end of the castle while he and Evelyn stayed
on the other end. He entered her room naked one
night and beat her with a whip before he too
raped her. He then kept her in prison for two
weeks before then apologizing about the hole ordeal and begging
for her forgiveness. Wow, it's a really twisted circle here, Yeah,
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it is. When they got back to New York, he
continued his courtship as though nothing had happened. She convinced
herself that he was at heart a good man who
meant well, and she did agree to marry him at
the age of twenty in April two thousand and five.
They will win. Despite having won Nesbit's hand in marriage,
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Thaw could not let his hatred of Stanford White go.
It was an obsession for him. On January twenty fifth,
nineteen o six, Thaw and Evelyn were visiting the rooftop
theater of Madison Square Garden. Ironically, it's a building that
White himself had designed. At about eleven o'clock that night,
White entered and took a seat at a table near
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the stage that was reserved solely for his personal use.
They were all there to see the premiere of Ma'amselle Champagne,
and Thaw and Evelyn had watched White enter. Whether their
appearance at the same venue that night was a coincidence
or pre planned by Thaw is unknown, but what is
known is that during the show's final number, a song
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called I Could Love a Million Girls, Thaw walked up
to White and produced a pistol, shooting him three times
at point blank range. He struck him twice in the
face and once in the shoulder. With White dying instantly,
Thaw exclaimed he deserved it. He ruined my wife. The
crowd initially thought the murder was some sort of stage gimmick,
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but chaos ensued when they realized that what they had
seen was real and that Stanford White really was dead.
The newspaper coverage of the murder and ensuing trial was intense.
White's reputation took a massive hit when word of his
sexual activities was detailed. In Enduring the trial, Vanity Fair
ran the headline Stanford White voluptuary and pervert and dies
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the death of a dog. It seems to me a
lot like Stanford White was basically an early version of
Jeffrey Epstein's. While Harvey Weinstein, it seems like everybody, not
the but everybody in the upper social circles knew damn
well what they were up to and just didn't do
anything to stop them. Right, It's exactly what it sounds
like like the Weinstein people knew for years, they just
didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that came out now
about Weinstein where he wasn't I mean, he did have
sex with a bunch of women, but it doesn't appear
that he actually raped anybody.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I haven't heard that yet. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I watched the canvas owens about him. She'd been interviewing
and everything, and the woman that's claimed that, the main
one when the me too started or whatever that claimed
that Harvey Weinstein had raped her, was in a relationship
with her during that time and after, and there's text
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messages about her bringing her mom to meet him and
talk to him after the fact. I mean, there's a
lot to it. He kind of got railroaded. I mean,
the guy's a douchebasuck. He's a total scum. Fuck. But
he may not have done what he is in jail for.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
He's been accused so many tis. There's no way he
didn't do at least.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Some Noh, he's not a good guy. No, he's not
a good guy. But I don't think he's guilty of
what he's in prison for.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I don't know. I haven't looked into I don't know.
Mark Twain wrote about him for his autobiography. New York
has known for years that the highly educated and elaborately
accomplished Stanford White was a shameless and pitiless wild beast
disguised as a human being, and few, if any, have
doubted that he ought to have been butchered long ago
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by some kindly friend of the human race. Under our
infamous laws, the seducer is not punished, and not even disgraced.
But his victim and all her family and kindred are
smirched with a stain which is permanent, a stain which
the years cannot remove nor even modify. Our laws break
the hearts and ruin the lives of the victim and
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of her people, and they let the seducer go free.
I am not of a harsh nature. I am the
reverse of that, and yet, if I could have my way,
the seducer should be flayed alive in the middle of
the public plaza with all the world to look on.
So obviously he is not a big fan of Stanford White.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Now doesn't sound like it, does it.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
While he awaited trial, Harry thal was housed in the
Tomb's prison, but his stay was hardly what the general
population had to endure. He dined on meals catered from
Delmonico's restaurant. He slept in a brass bed. He wasn't
required to dress in prison guard He had his own
tailored clothing. He was allowed a daily ration of both
wine and champagne. Man prison life is rough.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
That is.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Thw would end up being tried twice for the murder
of Stanford White. The first trial resulted in a hung jury.
The second one saw him found not guilty by reason
of insanity, but he was ordered to be sent to
the Mattawan State Hospital for the criminally Insane for the
rest of his life. It was said that the Thaw
family offered Evelyn Nesbit a substantial sum of mone money
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to provide testimony at bull trials that would be beneficial
to their son. The money paid to her was reportedly
very inconsistent, and after the second trial they cut her
off completely. Thal was judged to no longer be insane
in nineteen fifteen and was set free. The following year,
he was arrested for kidnapping, beating, and sexually assaulting a
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nineteen year old man in Kansas City. So they were wrong,
yeah again, and that happened so often.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
You know, though, I think back in the day, you know,
he went to a mental hospital. I think the mental
hospitals were worse.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
They were they were worse.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I think you would have preferred to end up in prison.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
But you can't no longer found be found guilty. You know,
when you sent away for life, you were alive. But
a mental hospital a couple years later, all of a sudden,
he's he's not or now he's good to go.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Get a fool somebody into thinking that.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
So at his trial for this second charges, he was
once again found insane and sent to Kirkbride Asylum in Philadelphia.
A decade after that, he was set free yet again.
He ended up dying of a heart attack in Miami
on February twenty second, nineteen forty seven, at the age
of seventy six. Evelyn gave birth to a son on
October twenty fifth, nineteen ten, in Berlin, while her husband
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was still incarcerated. She would always insist that the child
was Thaws and that he had been conceived during a
conjugal visit. Thw would always maintain that he was not
the child's father, and no such conjugal visit had ever
occurred to this day. We don't know whose good it is,
but uh, I don't know that it matters. But Evelyn
Nesbit divorced Harry Thaw in nineteen fifty. She married again
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a few years later, but this marriage two ended in divorce.
With money tight, she toured on the vaudeville circuit, singing
and dancing to hits of the day, but people didn't
come for her talent. They came for her notoriety. Her
acting and modeling career tailed off as she got older,
and she ended up opening a tea room, but that
was only open for a few months before she had
to close it there was no business. She became addicted
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to alcohol and morphine in attempted suicide at least twice.
Money would main tight for the rest of the days.
She died in Los Angeles, on January seventeenth, nineteen sixty seven,
at the age of eighty two. Her funeral was only
attended by a few people because the world had forgotten
all about him. Oh so it is a sad story.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I mean it is.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
That's not a happy ending for anybody in that story.
But she, I mean, she gets obviously raped by a monster.
Another guy kind of presents himself as a savior.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
He's another monster, and.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
By this time, her career and probably everything another that
was good is broken. Stanford White gets killed but Mary
though it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, that's a rough one.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's a very rough story. No, and I don't think truthfully,
that wasn't Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That was New York.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
But that was basically Hollywood at the time. I don't
think things were changed all that much.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
No, really, I don't think so either. It just keeps going,
does It's a cycle? Yeah? Oh, great job with those, Bud.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Like that. All right, guys, we're gonna now head over
to the fire pit. We will catch you over there.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
I guess you. Nope, what's homit is? Can't try to
fire the bit.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
All right, guys, we need you to get those stories
into us. Beyond the Shadows two o seven, What the
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I've been saying it for two and a half years
and I still can't get it right or any of
our socials. This one comes to us from Armando A god,
(43:30):
damn it, fuck it. Cann't have to.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Scott's got one job.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
It's not an easy job.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Our email is.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Mango is here again with another story.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
I think h Scott on the previous episode said something
along the line.
Speaker 8 (43:57):
So, oh, how do you canna lose? Or well, guys,
I do have a story for you. So to give
you a little bit of context, here in Costa Rica,
we do have a quote unquote free insurance.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
So every worker and employer get asked to feed this institution,
which unfortunately is extremely understaffed, underperformed, the corrupt.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Right.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
So if you don't have something like life's threatening, Let's
say you go to the doctor and the doctors see
that there's like a mask and a goodie cancer, you
will get an appointment for like twenty thirty seven how
long that time?
Speaker 3 (44:45):
So he could you.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
Know you coup most likely that away before you actually
get that.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
I get a first appointment to you get that look then, right.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
So anyways, my dad has some trouble breeding, so they
schedule a biopsy on his lungs to see what the
heck was in his lungs, right, But it wasn't like
some a couple of years out.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
So one Rundom Monday, they called call him in. Hey,
you need to get here to the hotel right now.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
We're going to do some tests and if everything is
right with you, we will do this the biopsy tomorrow,
which a biopsy is pretty much surgery where they go
in and snatch a piece of that tissue to see
what's going on with that particular tissue.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Right, But that's pretty much how it works.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Because they had stuck up and on Tuesday, uh, and
they called him on Monday to past first and then
call him in.
Speaker 9 (45:46):
So basically you have to give up your entire day
because even though you are going in for that day, right,
So they're they're gonna tell you that the surgery could
be a noun, a.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
M could be a ten eleven, twelve, one pm in
get my point. So as soon as the doctors are available, right,
just because people like kind of squeze in. Somebody had
to answer something like that. So, needless to say, this
is not a fun experience. The patient needs to go
without in phones because again air quotes, they might get lost.
(46:24):
So the hospital asked for a contact phone number and
they will contact that, you know, phone number one, that
they have a number. But we dropped me off around
five am, right, and they put him on the surgery
on the verdical tlint and we had to leave because
you cannot stay in the hospital, right, so you have
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to leave. They finally called around noon to notify us
that the surgery will be a one pm, right, the
call of the lune frasure will be a one They
told us to call back at two pm, one hour
later because this is a standard procedure for them, shouldn't
take more than.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
One hour, and took like within the hour.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
He shoot you already in the recovery ring because you
called back that to p M and to confirm that
everything went well.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Well, we waited.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
Until two fifteen to call the hospital because they didn't
call out.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
You know, we'll just waiting to see the calls first.
But you know, because they didn't, we called that.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
And this is how that that particular call went. So
this is me right, So, hello, I'm looking for Armando Senior.
He stood be in recovery by now as very real
last update, and the hospital Red says on the other
side of the phone, I'm sorry we lost him. So
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I'm incredibly you know, baffled, shocked, everything at the same time,
all the emotions they can think of they went in
through my mind. It was just a simple biopsy, was like,
it's a very standard procedure. Now, there's not much wiggling
where something could have gone wrong there.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
And so I replied.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
To the hospital Red, It's like, what exactly happened there?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Like he was healthy, like he does have something like
healthy issus, but he was healthy overall. But how did that?
Speaker 5 (48:27):
My dad is no longer with us on a very normal,
standard procedure like a biopsy probably is a very simple operation.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
And then the hospital read in Battery's like.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean we lost him meaning that that.
Speaker 7 (48:47):
I mean that would be like we lost him meaning
that we don't know where he's at. And to this
took me a second to a like, I understand the
words that were coming out on the other side of the.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Phone, I just couldn't process them right.
Speaker 5 (49:08):
And I had to ask him like, well, sir, how
exactly do you lose a patient? I'm out of surgery. Wait,
shouldn't he be healing like a like a journey and
like a boom or like a recoverery woomb.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Or something like that.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
And they told me, and he basically their hospital there
just basically told me. He's like, no, I don't know,
call me back in the hours see if I can't
find him.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I so needless to say, that was the most unegaine interaction.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
That I have ever been on the phone. And he
didn't mind that I work in customer service on the phone,
so I do have them praise the stories there, but this,
this is my find the craziest one, right, So do
you give your guys like the story has to have right?
So my dad is fine, he was like, I'm just
(50:05):
very upset at how that disne works.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
So we had to start networking to see.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
If we knew or we had any acquaintances of friends
or you know, family or friends or whoever who what
had that particular hospital hospital on that schedule that day
to go on it and physically look for my dad.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
So we finally got lucky.
Speaker 10 (50:30):
Enough to find somebody who we did try to know,
like I'm going somewhow, and he was working on side
and he literally had to go around the floor just.
Speaker 5 (50:42):
Like calling his name until my dad raised his hand.
Speaker 11 (50:46):
Oh yeah, we found him. We found him great. But
the thing is that took us a full day to
track him down. And it turns out that there are
three big properly rooms. Each one of them has a
different phone numbers. And the worst part is that he
even wasn't she wasn't on any of those recovery a
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groom because he was just let pushed into the surgery
right into that appointment and then.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
They placed him on the hallway and kind of forget
about it, so we couldn't find the whole day. I
was super fun. So now how you love the patient? Yeah? Now,
hope you guys are doing my audit story and.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
Hope it makes sense and it's just, oh my gosh,
just live right so you get a little with a bunch.
So guys, I really appreciate you showing great going and
thank you for you know, letting share my crazy stories.
Speaker 12 (51:43):
Uh here, hope that everybody doing them. I need to
stop just them now. Hope you guys have a great
day in a great weekend, Armando.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
You should have your own podcast. You tell an amazing story,
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Don't don't stop ending up.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
All three has been great.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah they have. And we've had a few more of
them too. So he sent He's sent in quite a few,
which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
He's a natural storyteller. He does it well. He's dude's funny.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, he Uh, Costa Rica. I didn't realize he was in.
I think that's the first time he said that. I've
always wanted to go to Costa Rica. Yeah, apparently I
don't want to go to the hospital. I had heard
their hospitals were really good down there.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
They get a lot of Apparently not on that day.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Apparently not. They find your father in the janitor's closet.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Why would you not think that he had passed? If
they say we lost him, think we physically lost him.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
We're sorry we lost him. No, No, he's not here.
He's fine. I just don't know where the fuck he is.
That's awesome. All right, thank you for that story, but
we appreciate it. The rest of you guys get those
stories in Beyond the Shadows two o seven at gmail
dot com. See I could do it all right, guys,
we will catch you and the next one
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Me See Shahima from Australia. We had to check the
flags because we get a flag on it. We weren't
sure between New Zealand and Australia. They're close. Your flags
are very similar. Yeah, but we did. We took the
time and probably still got it wrong. The shadows goes
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the extra one we do and there's also another rating
on Spotify. So whoever did that? Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, as we said, we can't see those, but thank
you for taking the time.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
We appreciate it. Guys. We have a special guest in
the studio today. Is a fucking cricket somewhere around here
that I thought I murdered. It's like six of them. Yeah,
don't know. They're just like noisy cockroaches. Man, they are.
I don't know where they came from. But we ryan
carried one out and now there's still one whatever cricket.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I tried to do the right thing. I took
him outside alive, but apparently I should have made an example.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I just slotted it in front of the rest. Get
out of here. This is your faeton. Fuckers going to
have to bomb down here or something. Sorry, paw. What's
in the news this week?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So we get a Russian man named Dmitri. He recently
makes an online post. He says it's for a joke
or a social experiment, which he offers one hundred thousand
rubles or about eleven hundred and eighty dollars in American
money to anyone willing to sell their soul. He didn't
expect a response, but he got one immediately. A twenty
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six year old woman named Karina was willing to sell
her soul, and she had no problem signing the contract
with her own blood and blood. I'd be able to
wear this. It's not gonna work out.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Hey, if you see what she needed the money.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
For, it was worth it. She told the press she
wasn't at all worried about what was to become of
her soul, and that she planned to use the money
to buy a la.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Boo boo let boo boos.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I've never heard that word.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh my god, dude, there we got a couple upstairs.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh yeah, she planned to buy a lu booboo doll
collection and to go to a folk rock concert. That's
what she sold her soul.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, they're the most ridiculous, little tiny little I don't
know if they're bunnies or what they are they got there.
It's like a huge fad right now. It's ridiculous, and
they cost a forte. It's like a dog.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Some of you can machine she just sold sold her
So it looks like something you could get out of
a claw machine for like a buck.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And they cost they're not cheap. It guess they're rare.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Apparently so, Dmitri posted pictures of the sign contract, but
says he has no idea what he's now gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Do with it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The Russian Orthodox Church has condemned the act, warning that
Karina has quote sold her soul and chosen evil.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
No, she chose a laboo.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
They predicted she will suffer a decline, illness, suffering, and
even death as a result of what she's done. So
we're gonna include a link for all you guys that
want to join the Russian orthodox.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Y, he says, A good way to get following you
put your little boobu in the basket, else you get
these gets.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
The h Two teenagers visited a branch of the Hidalio
restaurant chain and Shanghai, and they took turns standing on
a table and pissing into some hot pot broth that
was in a private dining room. They filmed themselves and
posted the footage online.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Again, what you know, how often have we done this
story about somebody pissing in something and.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Filming themselves and filming that's how they get caught. First
of all, it's a disgusting knack. I did stupid shit
growing up and nothing like that. That's just just disgusting.
What ever even occurred to me to do something?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
How many people you think actually ate that shit?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The restaurant would have you believe zero, But they didn't.
It didn't get discovered until these guys posted it. So
a lot a restaurant in Shanghai, jesus.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
A lot, Yeah, lots and lots.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So after they posted it, they stated it was an
intentional act and that they were fully aware of the
negative impact. So they can't even claim afterwards and we
didn't we mentioned as a harmless prank. No you didn't,
because you just said you didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And it turns out it was delicious. Do you imagine.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They've been employed as full time pissers. I would have
turned into a career.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
This is what they do.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The restaurant chain immediately issued an apology. They assure the public.
They did thorough clean and sanitizing of well the affected
airs areas, and they issued four thousand customers compensation and
the amount of ten times what they paid.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I don't know that anyway. Could you ever go back
to that restaurant.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
No, but I mean I'd say that's about the best
of the restaurant can do ten times what they paid.
I mean the restaurant just ate some serious shows.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh yeah for sure. But I mean you're always going
to think about that if you go back to that restaurant,
you know it's done.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Could I get it with all the pistol items? I
don't want to offend the show, so house the soup.
The two seventeen year olds were named Wu In Tang
Woo time.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
That's why they did it. I know, I saw that,
like that can't be real.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think that's why I got my attention. Blitz Wu
Tang bitch so Wu Tang, along with their parents have
been ordered to pay the equivalent of two point four
million in damages for business lost, reputational harm and other costs.
That sounds high to me, but I don't blame them.
That restaurants there there after that absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
During heavy traffic on Friday, September fifth, and Prince George,
British Columbia, the Royal Canadian mount mount To Police had
caused to pull over a driver who was operating in
a dangerous manner. At about nine am, police pulled the
vehicle vehicle over which happened to be a hot pink
Barbie jeep.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
He's going too fast which top five miles.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
The driver was identified as Casper Lincoln, who did not
have a valid driver's license and he was over the
legal limit of alcohol.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Fudde I saw what they gave him. Was it like
a you you it's not a It would be a
d ui here in the States.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It's a day.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You get a bunch of terms for o uy.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Do you know what I mean? Do you think that's
We've gone over this before, because it's like I told you,
a friend of mine got a DUI for riding a bisy.
I've heard of that too, and that's bullshit because those
people literally did that because they didn't want to drive
a car.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't know if I can disagree with this one.
He was driving, I mean he was driving on the
roads literally during rush hour. If anything, he's gonna cause
an accident because he's driving the hot pink Barbie right down.
But dude, and he needed an icy slurpy and.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
That's what he was going for, going for slurpy.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Told the cops he just had a hanker for a slurpee,
so he stole his roommate's daughter's car to go and
get one, and now he's in some serious trouble. Dude,
just take your own car if you're gonna drive drunk.
I'm not condoning it. But the hot pink jeep, the barbie,
it's gonna draw a lot more. I don't know once
this is over.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Liam's got two hot wheels, uh four wheelers in the
backyard we could take down, give it a show, give
it a go.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
He's probably thinking, this car so small they won't even notice.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Me, right, and the pink blends right at.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Lastly, we have a doctor at Tameside Hospital in Manchets,
England named suhl Jum. He had a patient on the
operating table all prepped for surgery when he basically called
a time out and told a nursing assistant that he
needed quote a comfort break, and he asked them to
keep an eye on his patient for him. A different
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nurse then walked in on him and a third nurse
having sex and a separate operating He returned ten minutes
later to perform the.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Procedure to perform again. This is his second performance. I'm exhausted,
but it's take a nap.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The woman who had walked in on them reported the incident,
which happened in September of twenty twenty three. It's only
recently come to light because the doctor is living back
in his home country a Pakistan, but has replied to
return to England, hoping to work as a doctor again.
He states in his words, this is a one off
era of juge ja.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, he only got off on it's because he had
to get back to the operating room.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It happened during quote a stressful time at home though,
and he and his wife were failing to connect as
a couple.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh well, so, I mean that person on the table
probably didn't well, you know, he was horny. I get it. Anyways, Up,
I've gotta do what you gotta do. I'll go back
to sleep. I'm not pressing any charges. It's gy code. Yeah.
So that's it for the news this week, all right, well,
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what are you doing. I don't even know what you're
doing this.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Week, which I just just figured it out the other
day myself. So, uh, this is my last episode before
we go into spooky season. You'll have one more. So
I wanted to do a true crime, but I wanted
to do something a little bit different. So, uh, if
you're familiar with a gilded age, that's going back away
as it's kind of when after the Civil War, during
the era when America first is when you first started
to see the humongous difference between the really wealthy and
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the really poor in America. So that's when you got
your Vanderbilts, your rocket Fellons and all that.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So so like now right.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
As now it is SIMI now, but before those ages,
you the rich and the poor were not that different.
But after the Industrial Revolution you had a humungous disparency.
And I've covered a lot of cases with the uh
it's usually the poor folks doing it. So I wanted
to cover a couple of cases where it was who's
the rich folk acting worse that rich folks were acting?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I've heard I don't know that one.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
We're gonna call this one when the upper crust goes
bad nice. So we're gonna cover a couple of them.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So all right, look forward to this. All right, guys,
we'll catch over there, do you know what.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So we're going to start our trip back to the
Gilded Age of America in Chicago. Adolph Lutgart was born
on December twenty seventh, eighteen forty five, and good Slow,
Westphilia and what was pre unification Germany. He was the
fourth of sixteen children.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Man, that is wow. Can you imagine I was sixteen kids? No, No,
I'm tired with one. I have four, but only three
and then one. You know, yeah, I can't imagine sixteen.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
At that point you just loft the work on the
other fifteen, you know a little.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I have a buddy that has ten kids, and the
older kids definitely were taking care of the other ones.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So he came to the US as a young man,
and he arrived somewhere in the same general time frame
as the Chicago Fire of eighteen seventy one. Lukeert would
later explain that he moved through a series of jobs
and leather tanneries before starting a saloon on the corner
of Clybourne and Webster Avenues. He married in his late
twenties to Caroline rope Key, and they had two children together.
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She passed away in eighteen seventy seven. The following year,
he married again to Louise Pickneyes, a pretty domestic servant
who recently arrived from Germany or herself. She was ten
years younger than he was, and they married on January eighteenth,
eighteen seventy eight. Together they had four more children, so
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he now has six. He briefly opened a sausage business
at the site of his former saloon, before then moving
to a farm near Elgin. The call of the sausage
proved too strong for him, and he was soon back.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
There's many women that have said that same thing. It's
the call of the sausage. It's the lore. It's just
the lore. He was soon back the other night, but
then the call of the.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Ditch my friends for the sausage. So he moved back
to Chicago. He opens another sausage factory, this time at
the corner of North and Sheffield Avenues. His business business
thrived and soon he outgrew his factory. He purchased the
land at the corner of Diversity Parkway and Hermitage Avenue
for thirty thousand dollars and spent another one hundred and
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forty thousand on construction for his new factory. So that
would equate to about four million dollars today. That's had
a lot of money. Robert Lorizel, who wrote the two
thousand and three book Alchemy of Bones, Chicago's Lutgert case
of eighteen ninety seven. So he said he supposedly came
up with a secret sausage making making recipes.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's probably just him bragging about how great his sausage was.
And I think all guys do that. We're all guilty
of that to.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
A certain degree. Lutgert sold his.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Sausages at the eighteen ninety three World's Colombian Exposition, which
proved so successful that he soon became known as the
sausage King of Chicago. The Colombian Exposition, or better known
as the World's Fair, also saw the invention of the
ferris wheel, and it proved to be the hunting ground
of the notorious serial killer HH holme Us. So it
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was a busy time in Chicago. A Chicago Tribune article
from October nineteenth, eighteen ninety seven, described the level of
adoration and respect Lutgert received around the neighborhood. They gave
him a wide berth when he went along the sidewalk
with his great danes panting after him. When he spoke
to them, they pulled off their hats. He employed more
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men than almost any one a mile around, and the
neighborhood looked on his factory as a place where all
the money in circulation originated. In eighteen ninety seven, his
fortunes turned when he fell victim to a swindle. He
went deeply in hawk to the banks to stay afloat,
and his marriage began to crumble. The financial stress wasn't
the only reason for this. Despite looking like a bulldog,
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and if you've seen pictures of him, Lutgert is not
a good looking man, not at all. He was known
to be something of a womanizer. One writer of his
day described him as having a face of suet, hey guys,
and a large, unkept mustache that was the perse fricked
host for beer foam.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Sounds like a keeper. If that's got you ladies turned on,
it's that factory that makes him so good looking. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He told his wife that he frequently needed to stay
at the factory around the clock to keep an eye
on things. In a little bedroom next to his office,
he often spent the night with his twenty two year
old housekeeper. He was also wooing a wealthy widow by
the name of Christina Feld. He sent her a series
of gooey love letters that would later come to light.
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So at about ten fifteen pm on the night of
Saturday May first, Louise was standing in her kitchen talking
to her twelve year old son, Louis. He had attended
the circus that evening and was telling her all about
it when Adolph walked into the room and ordered the
boy to immediately go to bed. When he went to bed,
it was only his mother and father downstairs together. When
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he woke up the next day, his father told him
that his mother was gone. She had left Adolf due
to their financial troubles and had simply moved away. That's
what he was telling people, and he was sticking with it.
Three days later, Louise's brother paid Adolf a visit. Adolf
told him that she was gone, but admitted that he
had not bothered to search for and he had not
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notified the police. She might have gone away wandered away.
I don't know something like that. That's a quote, so much,
so much concern, he was reported to have said. It
should be noted that only a month earlier, his great
Dane had run off, and he had literally sprinted to
the police station immediately and begged for help. Was friend there,
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but the dog wasn't cock blocking him with his housekeeper,
Louisa's brother contacted the police and they began an extensive search,
scouring the neighborhoods and dragging the river, but nothing was found.
The newspapers covered her disappearance in detail, and people all
over the region were claiming sightings of Louise. Police zeroed
in on Adolf himself relatively quickly, but when they searched
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both the house and the factory, they turned up empty handed.
On May fifteenth, they were contacted by the factory's night watchman,
Frank Bialk. Apparently, on the night his wife disappeared, Adolf
had been acting suspiciously and had secluded himself from the
factory's basement with one of the large steam vats used
in making sausages. The vat had been cleaned recently, but
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still contained a thick, greasy, reddish liquid that stunk horribly.
Authorities drained the vat and at the bottom found several
small bones and a wedding ring engraved with the initials
l L. In a nearby ashpile, they found more bone,
a false tooth, a hair pin, and pieces of cloth.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He made sausage out of her.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Seems so ha a. Adolf Luegert was arrested and charged
with his wife's murder. Viction would be difficult, however, without
a body, and forensics was in its infancy at the time.
Adolph still held on to the fact that his wife
was alive, so they would have to prove that she
was not. They turned to an expert witness, George Dorsey,
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the first person to be awarded a pH d in
anthropology from Harvard University. After carefully examining the bones recovered
in the factory, he was able to determine that they
were part of the skull and thigh bone of a
small adult female. After three days of deliberation, the jury
was unable to come to a verdict and a mistrial
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was declared. Two months later, Lutgert was brought to trial
a second time, and this time the sausage king was
found guilty. He was sentenced to life in prison, but
he served barely a year in prison before dying of
heart disease in eighteen ninety nine at the age of
fifty three.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Wow he served her up.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I I wonder a lot of times if this story
had anything to do with, like all the weird rumors
about what's in slim gyms or hot dogs or stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh, yeah, you you've heard of Willie Picton. Yeah, he
did the same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah. Yeah, disgusting almost say. I mean, there's all kinds
of weird stuff happening in factories, but you gotta assume this,
this story had something to do with the hot dog, sausage,
slim gym rumors.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh yeah, I don't want to know what's in a
hot dog. If it's I don't think if I'm cool
with it.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, they always they alway at the bottom, I will
say something like various flavorings and stuff, and you don't want.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
To know it's Steve. This flavor is Steve.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
What's what's in here? Just goodness? A lot of goodness?
Is this another wedding ring?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It is? It's just a casing full of heaven. That's
all you need to know.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Next up, we have Edward Leslie Malino. He was a
decorated general in the Civil War. After he came back
home to Brooklyn, New York, a hero, he opened a
successful paint manufacturing company and earned a fortune. He became
a prominent figure in politics, public affairs, and he ran
in the highest of social circles. His son, Roland Burnham Mollino,
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was born on August twelfth of eighteen sixty six, and
he was afforded every advantage in life. He had the
best of educations, and like his father, he ran in
the city's most prominent families ran with him, excuse me.
He became a champion amateur gymnast, was thought to be
very handsome and an eligible bachelor. He briefly took a
job as a chemist for his father's paint company. Roland
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was also thought to be a snotty and entitled douchebag
by almost everyone who encountered him. In eighteen ninety five,
at the age of twenty seven, he joined Manhattan's exclusive
Knickerbocker Athletic Club, which was only available to the city's
richest and most prominent citizens. Malineau liked to complain to
management about any members who displeased him or that he
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thought unworthy of membership, and he would demand their removal.
His demands were largely ignored, and not long after he joined,
the club hired a new athletic director named Harry Cornish.
For reasons unknown, Roland took an immediate dislike to the
popular new athletic director, and he accused him of all
sorts of violation of the gym rules and policies. Around
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Christmas time of eighteen ninety seven, Malineau went to the
club's board of directors and demanded that Cornish be let
go or he would be quitting the club. The board
unanimously voted to retain Cornish and informed Malina the Cornish
was not leaving. See and so he made good on
his little pout and he resigned the club.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
He showed those fuckers take that.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm done. What are you gonna do now? Almost exactly
a year later, Christmas Eve eighteen ninety eight, Cornish receives
an anonymous package in the mail. It contained a small
bottle of Emerson's Bramo Seltzer with no note of any sort.
He brought it back to the apartment he shared with
his cousin Catherine Adams. Adams and her daughter, Florence. Three
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days after the package arrived, his cousin woke up feeling
under the weather. She mixed some of the Bramo seltzer
with water and drank it, falling dead almost immediately.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, you may not want to drink shit that just
the arrives in the man.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
No, that's always weird to me. Yeah, there's no chance
I'd be taking that. He'd be going to the trash immediately,
thank you, whoever, I'm not at Analysis of the bottle
of Bromo seltzer revealed it had been spiked with cyanide.
It took less than twenty four hours to make the
connection that Cornish was not the first person connected with
the Knickerbocker to be sent poisoned. But amazingly, it wasn't
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detectives who turned up this fact, but reporters for the
city's Yellow Papers were which essentially the Gilded Age National Enquirer.
They figured it out only six weeks before where Cornish
received his package, A club member named Harry Crossman Barnett
also received an anonymous package. This one included no note
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as well, and it contained cutnose improved effervescent powder, which
was more or less alcacelts from one hundred years ago.
After a late night of partying on the town, he
returned home and took some of the medication, becoming violently
ill shortly afterwards. He lingered for both three days before
he too died. The powder was analyzed and was found
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to contain cyanide. Police had a murder on their hands,
but they could find no suspects in this case went nowhere.
But this second murder, with a connection of the Knickerbocker
was the break that they needed. What did the two
men have in common other than the club they had
both made an enemy of Roland Molino. Barnett had been
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wooing an aspiring opera singer named Blanche Chessbro whom Moano
also had his heart set on. She had jilted Molino
for Barnett, then changed her mind when she realized that
Barnett was nowhere near as wealthy as Molina. Before the
package had even been mailed, however, she had already accepted
an engagement from Molino. When she heard Barnett was ill,
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she sent him a note which read, I want to
see you so much. Please do not be cross anymore
and except I pray you my very best wishes, yours Blanche.
Police had enough evidence to make an arrest and Roland
Molino was arrested and charged with the murder of Catherine
Adams only so he was not charged with the murder
of Barnett. They didn't think they had enough though they
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think he did.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Both, even though it's exactly the same as the case.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
They still do that stuff today though pick with thee.
I think they have the best chance at the conviction
on and you or the other one. For whatever reason,
they chose the Catherine Adams one in this case. The
arrest and subsequent trial made national headlines when it began
in November of nineteen excuse me, eighteen ninety nine. The
prosecution sought to bring up the details of the Henry
Corps Crossman Barnett murder during the proceedings, and this led
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to the landmark New York Molina Rule, which prohibits the
admission of evidence connected to defend its previous uncharged crimes
in an attempt to prove their propensity to have committed
the crime in question. It can be admitted only if
it pertains to a very specific material issue which proves motive, intent, identity,
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or scheme, and this rule is still in effect to today,
so mono rule still exists.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Molina was found guilty and sentenced to death. He was
sent to Sing Sing to await his execution, but Daddy's
political clout was strong and his verdict was overturned on appeal.
Only two years later, of course, it was he was
given a second trial. In this time he was acquitted.
Blanche had actually married Molineux before she knew that Barnett
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had been murdered, so after the murder, but before it
was deemed to be a murder, she had accepted his
marriage proposal and married him. Once she figured out it
was murder, she no longer wanted to be married to him.
She initially believed it was just an unfortunate accident. On
the stand, he admitted he had been having sex with
a thirteen year old employee of his father's company before
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he met Blanche. He had promised to marry the girl,
but when he met Blanche, he fired her and forgot
about her instead. Blanche left New York for Sioux Falls
before Molinau was acquitted at the second trial, and she
filed for divorce. She later remarried to her attorney and
lived a long life. Roland, upon his release, took to
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writing poems in a novel, both of which were poorly received.
He later wrote a play, which was also poorly received.
He got married in nineteen twelve, but by the following
year he began to exhibit strange behavior, and his parents
had him placed in a sanitarium on Long Island.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Oh, oh, it's not good to go to sanitarium back
in those days.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Coming out, he later escaped. Oh, that's the only way
you get out.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's the only way you get out of a senate.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But upon his escape, he assaulted several men before being
declared insane and sent to the state hospital. He died
there at the age of fifty one in nineteen seventeen
from advanced syphilis. Damn, that's what got al Capone, right,
it is, that's absolutely what got him.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yep, Wow, all right, we got one more story for you.
We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Do you know what the world is?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
All right?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
So this last case is about the murder of Stanford White.
Stanford White was born on November ninth, eighteen fifty three,
and at the turn of the century he was an
architect at the firm of McKim mead and White. He
had no formal architectural training, but learned the trade on
the job through on the job experience. Today, he is
widely considered one of the greatest architects of his or
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any generation. He designed Washington Square arch the Second Madison
Square Garden, Pennsylvania Station, Boston Public Library, and several of
the mansions in Newport, Rhode Island, amongst many others nice
He got married in eighteen eighty four to Elizabeth Bessie
Springs Smith. After their marriage, they took a six month
(29:28):
honeymoon in both Europe and the Near East.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Just six months.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I said, Oh, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
That's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You can't even relax on only six months. It's too rushed.
On their honeymoon, they accumulated antiques for both their own
collections and for those of clients. Once back in New York,
he began to develop a reputation as a womanizer who
had an affinity for all things of the flesh. He
was particularly interested in young girls. The term wasn't in
(29:57):
use then, but today he'd definitely be called.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
A s actual predator.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
He was a scumbag. He had a multi story Manhattan
apartment with a rear entrance on twenty fourth Street. He
would groom a great many young girls here, bringing them
in and out using the apartment's rear entrance. Simon Batt
said in this twenty eighteen book The Girl on the
Velvet Swing, Sex, Murder and Madness at the Dawn of
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the twentieth Century that White was quote one of a
group of wealthy rue It's not a word I'm familiar
with now, I don't know what that is, all members
of the Union Club, who organized frequent orgies and secret
locations scattered around the city. White's own granddaughter, Susannah Lassard,
wrote in her book The Architect of Desire that her
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grandfather lost all interest in women after quote all new
sensations were exhausted. She said his victims were barely pubescent
and in fragile social and financial situations. Girls wouldn't be
unlikely to resist his power, money, in considerable charm. This
is his grand without a doubt. One young girl he
(31:06):
set his sights on was Evelyn Nesbit. She began her
career as an artist model in Philadelphia before moving to
New York in nineteen hundred at the age of fifteen.
Before long, she had achieved an iconic status and became
America's first supermodel. She was huge back then. Oh wow,
she was featured on cigar nmodel.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They didn't use that word, but that's exactly what she was.
She was featured on cigar labels, Coca Cola calendars, and
toothpaste ads, among many other plays. So she was everywhere.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
That's an actual person. I just assumed I could think
of the one that's on the Coca Cola.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, I think of all of those ones you see
are her, though it's usually cartoons, you know, not an
actual picture, right, like a dry yeah of her. Yeah,
that's her. It didn't take long for her to attract
the attention of Stanford White. White had the approval of
Nesbit's mother to take on a caretaking role and her
desire to become an actor. He was helping her to
gain a foothole in the upper society, and he provided
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her with a weekly allowance of twenty five dollars, which
is about one thousand dollars today, So it's a decent.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
A thousand dollars a week.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
He paid a lot of money to have her teeth
worked on because he found bad teeth to be a
turn off personally, and if you're trying to advocate for
her career, what do you care? What turns you on
and off? A little strange how.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Bad teeth are? Bad teeth? They are? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
He bought her expensive gifts like a ruby and diamond ring,
a large pearl on, a big platinum chain, bunch of furs,
stuff like that. He paid to move Evelyn and her
mother from a boarding house into a hotel. On one occasion,
he brought her to his hotel and he got her
drunk on champagne and possibly drugged her as well. When
she was passed out, he raped her on his canopede bed.
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She was sixteen, he was forty seven. For the next
six months, they maintained a sexual relationship and were near
constant companions. After their quote relationship ended, they remained in
touch with him, continuing to act as her benefactor. When
she began dating another man, he conspired with her mother
(33:10):
to end the relationship by sending her away to a
boarding school in New Jersey. Another admirer of Evelyn was
a man named Harry K. Thaw from Pittsburgh. Thaw was
the son of a millionaire industrialist, and he was known
to be a deeply unstable playboy. He had shown signs
of mental illness from early childhood. Thaw pursued her with
(33:33):
an intensity that was likely equal parts infatuation with her
and his already deep hatred of White. Thaw considered White
to be his personal nemesis, even though White had long
moved on to other underage girls. At this point, White
considered Thaw to be a joke. He referred to him
as a poser, a clown, and the Pennsylvania pug due
(33:56):
to his baby face features. Nesbit was initially not at
all interested in Harry Thal. She found his strange intensity
and looks to be off putting. Eventually, she began to
find his single minded pursuit of her in his charm
to be appealing. They embarked on a tour of Europe,
where he proposed to her multiple times, but each time
(34:18):
she turns him down. On one such proposal in Paris,
she explained to him that she could not become as
bride as she was not a virgin. He convinced her
to reveal all the details of Stanford White's sexual assault
to him, which caused him to begin to stew a
great deal. When they stayed at a grim castle in Bavaria,
(34:39):
he had all the hotel staff stay on one to
the end of the castle while he and Evelyn stayed
on the other end. He entered her room naked one
night and beat her with a whip before he too
raped her. He then kept her in prison for two
weeks before then apologizing about the hole ordeal and begging
for her forgiveness. Wow, it's a really twisted circle here, Yeah,
(35:02):
it is. When they got back to New York, he
continued his courtship as though nothing had happened. She convinced
herself that he was at heart a good man who
meant well, and she did agree to marry him at
the age of twenty in April two thousand and five.
They will win. Despite having won Nesbit's hand in marriage,
(35:22):
Thaw could not let his hatred of Stanford White go.
It was an obsession for him. On January twenty fifth,
nineteen o six, Thaw and Evelyn were visiting the rooftop
theater of Madison Square Garden. Ironically, it's a building that
White himself had designed. At about eleven o'clock that night,
White entered and took a seat at a table near
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the stage that was reserved solely for his personal use.
They were all there to see the premiere of Ma'amselle Champagne,
and Thaw and Evelyn had watched White enter. Whether their
appearance at the same venue that night was a coincidence
or pre planned by Thaw is unknown, but what is
known is that during the show's final number, a song
(36:04):
called I Could Love a Million Girls, Thaw walked up
to White and produced a pistol, shooting him three times
at point blank range. He struck him twice in the
face and once in the shoulder. With White dying instantly,
Thaw exclaimed he deserved it. He ruined my wife. The
crowd initially thought the murder was some sort of stage gimmick,
(36:25):
but chaos ensued when they realized that what they had
seen was real and that Stanford White really was dead.
The newspaper coverage of the murder and ensuing trial was intense.
White's reputation took a massive hit when word of his
sexual activities was detailed. In Enduring the trial, Vanity Fair
ran the headline Stanford White voluptuary and pervert and dies
(36:49):
the death of a dog. It seems to me a
lot like Stanford White was basically an early version of
Jeffrey Epstein's. While Harvey Weinstein, it seems like everybody, not
the but everybody in the upper social circles knew damn
well what they were up to and just didn't do
anything to stop them. Right, It's exactly what it sounds
like like the Weinstein people knew for years, they just
didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that came out now
about Weinstein where he wasn't I mean, he did have
sex with a bunch of women, but it doesn't appear
that he actually raped anybody.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I haven't heard that yet. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I watched the canvas owens about him. She'd been interviewing
and everything, and the woman that's claimed that, the main
one when the me too started or whatever that claimed
that Harvey Weinstein had raped her, was in a relationship
with her during that time and after, and there's text
(37:43):
messages about her bringing her mom to meet him and
talk to him after the fact. I mean, there's a
lot to it. He kind of got railroaded. I mean,
the guy's a douchebasuck. He's a total scum. Fuck. But
he may not have done what he is in jail for.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
He's been accused so many tis. There's no way he
didn't do at least.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Some Noh, he's not a good guy. No, he's not
a good guy. But I don't think he's guilty of
what he's in prison for.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I don't know. I haven't looked into I don't know.
Mark Twain wrote about him for his autobiography. New York
has known for years that the highly educated and elaborately
accomplished Stanford White was a shameless and pitiless wild beast
disguised as a human being, and few, if any, have
doubted that he ought to have been butchered long ago
(38:34):
by some kindly friend of the human race. Under our
infamous laws, the seducer is not punished, and not even disgraced.
But his victim and all her family and kindred are
smirched with a stain which is permanent, a stain which
the years cannot remove nor even modify. Our laws break
the hearts and ruin the lives of the victim and
(38:54):
of her people, and they let the seducer go free.
I am not of a harsh nature. I am the
reverse of that, and yet, if I could have my way,
the seducer should be flayed alive in the middle of
the public plaza with all the world to look on.
So obviously he is not a big fan of Stanford White.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Now doesn't sound like it, does it.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
While he awaited trial, Harry thal was housed in the
Tomb's prison, but his stay was hardly what the general
population had to endure. He dined on meals catered from
Delmonico's restaurant. He slept in a brass bed. He wasn't
required to dress in prison guard He had his own
tailored clothing. He was allowed a daily ration of both
wine and champagne. Man prison life is rough.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
That is.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Thw would end up being tried twice for the murder
of Stanford White. The first trial resulted in a hung jury.
The second one saw him found not guilty by reason
of insanity, but he was ordered to be sent to
the Mattawan State Hospital for the criminally Insane for the
rest of his life. It was said that the Thaw
family offered Evelyn Nesbit a substantial sum of mone money
(40:00):
to provide testimony at bull trials that would be beneficial
to their son. The money paid to her was reportedly
very inconsistent, and after the second trial they cut her
off completely. Thal was judged to no longer be insane
in nineteen fifteen and was set free. The following year,
he was arrested for kidnapping, beating, and sexually assaulting a
(40:21):
nineteen year old man in Kansas City. So they were wrong,
yeah again, and that happened so often.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
You know, though, I think back in the day, you know,
he went to a mental hospital. I think the mental
hospitals were worse.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
They were they were worse.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I think you would have preferred to end up in prison.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
But you can't no longer found be found guilty. You know,
when you sent away for life, you were alive. But
a mental hospital a couple years later, all of a sudden,
he's he's not or now he's good to go.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Get a fool somebody into thinking that.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
So at his trial for this second charges, he was
once again found insane and sent to Kirkbride Asylum in Philadelphia.
A decade after that, he was set free yet again.
He ended up dying of a heart attack in Miami
on February twenty second, nineteen forty seven, at the age
of seventy six. Evelyn gave birth to a son on
October twenty fifth, nineteen ten, in Berlin, while her husband
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was still incarcerated. She would always insist that the child
was Thaws and that he had been conceived during a
conjugal visit. Thw would always maintain that he was not
the child's father, and no such conjugal visit had ever
occurred to this day. We don't know whose good it is,
but uh, I don't know that it matters. But Evelyn
Nesbit divorced Harry Thaw in nineteen fifty. She married again
(41:32):
a few years later, but this marriage two ended in divorce.
With money tight, she toured on the vaudeville circuit, singing
and dancing to hits of the day, but people didn't
come for her talent. They came for her notoriety. Her
acting and modeling career tailed off as she got older,
and she ended up opening a tea room, but that
was only open for a few months before she had
to close it there was no business. She became addicted
(41:55):
to alcohol and morphine in attempted suicide at least twice.
Money would main tight for the rest of the days.
She died in Los Angeles, on January seventeenth, nineteen sixty seven,
at the age of eighty two. Her funeral was only
attended by a few people because the world had forgotten
all about him. Oh so it is a sad story.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I mean it is.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
That's not a happy ending for anybody in that story.
But she, I mean, she gets obviously raped by a monster.
Another guy kind of presents himself as a savior.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
He's another monster, and.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
By this time, her career and probably everything another that
was good is broken. Stanford White gets killed but Mary
though it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, that's a rough one.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's a very rough story. No, and I don't think truthfully,
that wasn't Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That was New York.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
But that was basically Hollywood at the time. I don't
think things were changed all that much.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
No, really, I don't think so either. It just keeps going,
does It's a cycle? Yeah? Oh, great job with those, Bud.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Like that. All right, guys, we're gonna now head over
to the fire pit. We will catch you over there.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
I guess you. Nope, what's homit is? Can't try to
fire the bit.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
All right, guys, we need you to get those stories
into us. Beyond the Shadows two o seven, What the
hell beyond the shadows? To us having at gmail dot com.
I've been saying it for two and a half years
and I still can't get it right or any of
our socials. This one comes to us from Armando A god,
(43:30):
damn it, fuck it. Cann't have to.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Scott's got one job.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
It's not an easy job.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Our email is.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Mango is here again with another story.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
I think h Scott on the previous episode said something
along the line.
Speaker 8 (43:57):
So, oh, how do you canna lose? Or well, guys,
I do have a story for you. So to give
you a little bit of context, here in Costa Rica,
we do have a quote unquote free insurance.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
So every worker and employer get asked to feed this institution,
which unfortunately is extremely understaffed, underperformed, the corrupt.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Right.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
So if you don't have something like life's threatening, Let's
say you go to the doctor and the doctors see
that there's like a mask and a goodie cancer, you
will get an appointment for like twenty thirty seven how
long that time?
Speaker 3 (44:45):
So he could you.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
Know you coup most likely that away before you actually
get that.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
I get a first appointment to you get that look then, right.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
So anyways, my dad has some trouble breeding, so they
schedule a biopsy on his lungs to see what the
heck was in his lungs, right, But it wasn't like
some a couple of years out.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
So one Rundom Monday, they called call him in. Hey,
you need to get here to the hotel right now.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
We're going to do some tests and if everything is
right with you, we will do this the biopsy tomorrow,
which a biopsy is pretty much surgery where they go
in and snatch a piece of that tissue to see
what's going on with that particular tissue.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Right, But that's pretty much how it works.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Because they had stuck up and on Tuesday, uh, and
they called him on Monday to past first and then
call him in.
Speaker 9 (45:46):
So basically you have to give up your entire day
because even though you are going in for that day, right,
So they're they're gonna tell you that the surgery could
be a noun, a.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
M could be a ten eleven, twelve, one pm in
get my point. So as soon as the doctors are available, right,
just because people like kind of squeze in. Somebody had
to answer something like that. So, needless to say, this
is not a fun experience. The patient needs to go
without in phones because again air quotes, they might get lost.
(46:24):
So the hospital asked for a contact phone number and
they will contact that, you know, phone number one, that
they have a number. But we dropped me off around
five am, right, and they put him on the surgery
on the verdical tlint and we had to leave because
you cannot stay in the hospital, right, so you have
(46:46):
to leave. They finally called around noon to notify us
that the surgery will be a one pm, right, the
call of the lune frasure will be a one They
told us to call back at two pm, one hour
later because this is a standard procedure for them, shouldn't
take more than.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
One hour, and took like within the hour.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
He shoot you already in the recovery ring because you
called back that to p M and to confirm that
everything went well.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Well, we waited.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
Until two fifteen to call the hospital because they didn't
call out.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
You know, we'll just waiting to see the calls first.
But you know, because they didn't, we called that.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
And this is how that that particular call went. So
this is me right, So, hello, I'm looking for Armando Senior.
He stood be in recovery by now as very real
last update, and the hospital Red says on the other
side of the phone, I'm sorry we lost him. So
(47:52):
I'm incredibly you know, baffled, shocked, everything at the same time,
all the emotions they can think of they went in
through my mind. It was just a simple biopsy, was like,
it's a very standard procedure. Now, there's not much wiggling
where something could have gone wrong there.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
And so I replied.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
To the hospital Red, It's like, what exactly happened there?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Like he was healthy, like he does have something like
healthy issus, but he was healthy overall. But how did that?
Speaker 5 (48:27):
My dad is no longer with us on a very normal,
standard procedure like a biopsy probably is a very simple operation.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
And then the hospital read in Battery's like.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean we lost him meaning that that.
Speaker 7 (48:47):
I mean that would be like we lost him meaning
that we don't know where he's at. And to this
took me a second to a like, I understand the
words that were coming out on the other side of the.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Phone, I just couldn't process them right.
Speaker 5 (49:08):
And I had to ask him like, well, sir, how
exactly do you lose a patient? I'm out of surgery. Wait,
shouldn't he be healing like a like a journey and
like a boom or like a recoverery woomb.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Or something like that.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
And they told me, and he basically their hospital there
just basically told me. He's like, no, I don't know,
call me back in the hours see if I can't
find him.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
I so needless to say, that was the most unegaine interaction.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
That I have ever been on the phone. And he
didn't mind that I work in customer service on the phone,
so I do have them praise the stories there, but this,
this is my find the craziest one, right, So do
you give your guys like the story has to have right?
So my dad is fine, he was like, I'm just
(50:05):
very upset at how that disne works.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
So we had to start networking to see.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
If we knew or we had any acquaintances of friends
or you know, family or friends or whoever who what
had that particular hospital hospital on that schedule that day
to go on it and physically look for my dad.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
So we finally got lucky.
Speaker 10 (50:30):
Enough to find somebody who we did try to know,
like I'm going somewhow, and he was working on side
and he literally had to go around the floor just.
Speaker 5 (50:42):
Like calling his name until my dad raised his hand.
Speaker 11 (50:46):
Oh yeah, we found him. We found him great. But
the thing is that took us a full day to
track him down. And it turns out that there are
three big properly rooms. Each one of them has a
different phone numbers. And the worst part is that he
even wasn't she wasn't on any of those recovery a
(51:06):
groom because he was just let pushed into the surgery
right into that appointment and then.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
They placed him on the hallway and kind of forget
about it, so we couldn't find the whole day. I
was super fun. So now how you love the patient? Yeah? Now,
hope you guys are doing my audit story and.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
Hope it makes sense and it's just, oh my gosh,
just live right so you get a little with a bunch.
So guys, I really appreciate you showing great going and
thank you for you know, letting share my crazy stories.
Speaker 12 (51:43):
Uh here, hope that everybody doing them. I need to
stop just them now. Hope you guys have a great
day in a great weekend, Armando.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
You should have your own podcast. You tell an amazing story,
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Don't don't stop ending up.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
All three has been great.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah they have. And we've had a few more of
them too. So he sent He's sent in quite a few,
which is awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
He's a natural storyteller. He does it well. He's dude's funny.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, he Uh, Costa Rica. I didn't realize he was in.
I think that's the first time he said that. I've
always wanted to go to Costa Rica. Yeah, apparently I
don't want to go to the hospital. I had heard
their hospitals were really good down there.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
They get a lot of Apparently not on that day.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Apparently not. They find your father in the janitor's closet.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Why would you not think that he had passed? If
they say we lost him, think we physically lost him.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
We're sorry we lost him. No, No, he's not here.
He's fine. I just don't know where the fuck he is.
That's awesome. All right, thank you for that story, but
we appreciate it. The rest of you guys get those
stories in Beyond the Shadows two o seven at gmail
dot com. See I could do it all right, guys,
we will catch you and the next one
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