July 1, 2025 • 9 mins
The Incarnate Christ is the basis for biology and philosophy. Do you believe this?
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Jeremy Thomas is the pastor at Spokane Bible Church in Spokane, Washington and a professor at Chafer Theological Seminary. He has been teaching the Bible for over 20 years, always seeking to present its truths in a clear and understandable manner.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Beyond the Walls with Jeremy Thomas and
our series on the New TestamentFramework.
Today a smaller, bite-sizedpiece from the larger lesson.
We hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The point here, right A, is that the basic categories
of thought should be set upaccording to Christ.
Well, who's Christ in apostaticunion?
He's the Creator and he's thecreature.
Right, the creator-creaturedistinction, which is the first
thing you learn in the Bible inthe beginning, god, and then he
(00:33):
created.
So you got God, he's thecreator, and then everything
else that he's created, thecreation.
So the creator creaturedistinction is always there,
right?
Who is Jesus Christ?
He's the creator and thecreature in one person.
Is that what Paul means here?
Yes, look at the next, verse2.9.
(00:54):
Why?
Because in him, that is, inChrist, all the fullness of
deity dwells in bodily form.
Do you see the creator and thecreature in verse 9?
All the fullness of deity,that's the creator.
(01:15):
Bodily form, that's thecreature.
What is this saying?
This is saying that the basiccategories for human thinking
always have to start with thecreator-creature distinction,
the most fundamental distinctionin the entire Bible.
It is there from verse one andit is forever there, to the end
of the entire Bible, and itnever goes away.
And it's saying this is whereyou start in your thinking.
(01:38):
You start with the creator andthe creature in one person.
That is Christ, and that iswhat controls your thinking and
your outlook and everythingabout the way you reason, okay,
and develop what I would call aChristian philosophy, a
Christian way of thinking.
Why do we have to haveChristian philosophy?
We have to have it because it'sthe way we interact with people
(02:01):
in the world.
Okay, so this isn't a lecture onChristian philosophy versus
pagan philosophy, but there issuch a thing as Christian
philosophy, but it's controlledby theology.
If put in an analogy, it couldbe put this way If the hand is
theology, the glove isphilosophy.
(02:23):
So philosophy is not somethingindependent of theology.
The glove is philosophy.
So philosophy is not somethingindependent of theology.
It is, in fact, simply anexpression of what is already
there theologically and it formsto it like a glove.
So, yes, we have to, and you do.
Whether you think, youphilosophize or not, you have
philosophies and ways ofthinking.
You don't even know, perhaps,but you use reasoning and ways
(02:44):
of thinking.
You don't even know, perhaps,but you use reasoning.
He's saying the starting pointfor that reasoning is to take
every thought captive to JesusChrist.
Okay, we could go to 2Corinthians, 10, 3 through 5,
show another passage that showsessentially the same thing.
But the point is the Scripturesare saying look out Christians,
do not be taken captive by thestoichia of the world.
(03:07):
And that can happen to anyChristian.
They can start going down thispath in middle school and high
school and into college and theyget into what I just today call
scientism and they thinkscience is knowledge.
And this is how you know.
I mean it's Latin right,scientia, which means knowledge.
(03:32):
So, and it is very alluring.
And most science today actuallyI don't want to get on a rant,
but most science today ispoliticized science.
By that I mean a lot of things,but primarily that there are
agendas by political people thatare designed to fund and grant
(03:59):
research of scientists who willsupport the political agenda.
And if you're not on that pagewith whatever the governing
authorities, the politicians,want, then suddenly your grant
money dries up and then youcan't finish your research and
you can't get everything youwant as a professor and all that
(04:22):
kind of stuff.
So most science today ispoliticized science.
We saw this a lot withanthropogenic global warming,
so-called climate change, all ofthat stuff.
20, 25 years ago this becamevery obvious that what was going
on was politicized science.
Just select the people thatwill actually present data from
(04:44):
scientists to give itcredibility that this is
actually taking place and weneed to therefore become a third
world country so we don'tdestroy the ozone layer.
Okay, whatever, you go back tothe 1400s.
Now.
Third point, under the danger ofsetting up false categories of
thinking, the starting pointtake every thought captive to
(05:07):
christ.
Christ is the creator and thecreature in one person.
That's hypostatic union.
So this is fundamental to rightthinking.
Okay, you don't see it yet,that's okay, we're going to get
there.
The image of god is the setupfor all this.
What do I mean by that?
The image of God is only onecreature in the entire universe
(05:29):
is made in the image of God, andit's not angels, it's not
animals, it's you, it's you.
Now I understand thattheologically, a lot of people
say well, it's a spiritualaspect of man is made in the
image of God because God doesn'thave a body.
So our physical bodies areunrelated to the image of God.
(05:51):
This is essentially the way theargument's gone.
And if you think it is, thenmaybe you're a Mormon or
something, because in Mormonism,of course, god is a physical
being.
Now I's not.
I'm going to say that the humanbody, the human form, is not
just an afterthought, but thatit is actually made in the image
of God.
But what I mean by that is thisIf God were to incarnate
(06:14):
himself, it would be in thehuman form.
In other words, when Godcreated Adam, who did he have in
mind?
Jesus christ?
That is why our form hasupright standing, two arms, two
(06:35):
legs, opposable thumbs, eyes,nose, ears, what what we have?
And then when we read the bible,right, right, and we see God
saying things like at the Exodus, my mighty arm delivered you.
Or with an outstretched arm, wedon't say, well, that means God
(06:57):
has an arm, he has a physicalarm up there.
No, but we know theoutstretched arm is what we use
to deliver with.
It's a powerful instrument.
And so we make a connectionbetween the physical appendage
that we have right and somethingin God, his power.
(07:18):
And if we didn't have thatconnection, we wouldn't know
what it was talking about.
If we didn't have anoutstretched arm, what would
that mean?
You couldn't know anythingabout God.
So we are constructed in Hisimage, to reveal even in our
physical selves who he is, andeverything that we have is that
(07:39):
way.
When the Scriptures say thatGod looked down and he saw what
man was doing.
You know eyeballs, right?
If we didn't have eyeballs,what would that mean?
That sentence wouldn't meananything to us because we would
have no contact point with sight.
But it does convey something tous about god.
(07:59):
It means that god is interestedin what's going on in the
creation and he's observing itwithout physical eyes, of course
.
So this is the setup for allthis.
Now here's what happened.
The Lord Jesus Christ comesinto the world.
Okay, he's material andimmaterial.
He has a true human body.
He's got a true human spirit.
He's a human soul, right?
(08:21):
So you've got material andimmaterial in one person.
I mean, just like you, right,you're material and immaterial
in one person.
The Greeks could never get thistogether.
That's why almost all Greekphilosophy, it's always
dualistic.
You've got to keep materialaway from immaterial.
(08:41):
You can never get thesetogether.
Okay, in Greek thought, becausethey basically said that if
anything's material, it'sinherently evil, intrinsically
evil, and the Spirit, that'stotally good.
So they said you can never getthese together.
It was a dualism.
But didn't you have JesusChrist?
Material and immaterialtogether?
(09:03):
And it wasn't intrinsicallyevil, but he was in fact
intrinsically good.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Thank you for joining us on Beyond the Walls with
Jeremy Thomas.
If you would like to see thevisuals that went along with
today's sermon, you can findthose on Rumble and on YouTube
under Spokane Bible Church.
That is where Jeremy is thepastor and teacher.
We hope you found today'slesson productive and useful in
(09:30):
growing closer to God andwalking more obediently with Him
.
If you found this podcast to beuseful and helpful, then please
consider rating us in yourfavorite podcast app, and until
next time, we hope you have ablessed and wonderful day.
Welcome to Beyond the Walls with Jeremy Thomas and
our series on the New TestamentFramework.
Today a smaller, bite-sizedpiece from the larger lesson.
We hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
The point here, right A, is that the basic categories
of thought should be set upaccording to Christ.
Well, who's Christ in apostaticunion?
He's the Creator and he's thecreature.
Right, the creator-creaturedistinction, which is the first
thing you learn in the Bible inthe beginning, god, and then he
(00:33):
created.
So you got God, he's thecreator, and then everything
else that he's created, thecreation.
So the creator creaturedistinction is always there,
right?
Who is Jesus Christ?
He's the creator and thecreature in one person.
Is that what Paul means here?
Yes, look at the next, verse2.9.
(00:54):
Why?
Because in him, that is, inChrist, all the fullness of
deity dwells in bodily form.
Do you see the creator and thecreature in verse 9?
All the fullness of deity,that's the creator.
(01:15):
Bodily form, that's thecreature.
What is this saying?
This is saying that the basiccategories for human thinking
always have to start with thecreator-creature distinction,
the most fundamental distinctionin the entire Bible.
It is there from verse one andit is forever there, to the end
of the entire Bible, and itnever goes away.
And it's saying this is whereyou start in your thinking.
(01:38):
You start with the creator andthe creature in one person.
That is Christ, and that iswhat controls your thinking and
your outlook and everythingabout the way you reason, okay,
and develop what I would call aChristian philosophy, a
Christian way of thinking.
Why do we have to haveChristian philosophy?
We have to have it because it'sthe way we interact with people
(02:01):
in the world.
Okay, so this isn't a lecture onChristian philosophy versus
pagan philosophy, but there issuch a thing as Christian
philosophy, but it's controlledby theology.
If put in an analogy, it couldbe put this way If the hand is
theology, the glove isphilosophy.
(02:23):
So philosophy is not somethingindependent of theology.
The glove is philosophy.
So philosophy is not somethingindependent of theology.
It is, in fact, simply anexpression of what is already
there theologically and it formsto it like a glove.
So, yes, we have to, and you do.
Whether you think, youphilosophize or not, you have
philosophies and ways ofthinking.
You don't even know, perhaps,but you use reasoning and ways
(02:44):
of thinking.
You don't even know, perhaps,but you use reasoning.
He's saying the starting pointfor that reasoning is to take
every thought captive to JesusChrist.
Okay, we could go to 2Corinthians, 10, 3 through 5,
show another passage that showsessentially the same thing.
But the point is the Scripturesare saying look out Christians,
do not be taken captive by thestoichia of the world.
(03:07):
And that can happen to anyChristian.
They can start going down thispath in middle school and high
school and into college and theyget into what I just today call
scientism and they thinkscience is knowledge.
And this is how you know.
I mean it's Latin right,scientia, which means knowledge.
(03:32):
So, and it is very alluring.
And most science today actuallyI don't want to get on a rant,
but most science today ispoliticized science.
By that I mean a lot of things,but primarily that there are
agendas by political people thatare designed to fund and grant
(03:59):
research of scientists who willsupport the political agenda.
And if you're not on that pagewith whatever the governing
authorities, the politicians,want, then suddenly your grant
money dries up and then youcan't finish your research and
you can't get everything youwant as a professor and all that
(04:22):
kind of stuff.
So most science today ispoliticized science.
We saw this a lot withanthropogenic global warming,
so-called climate change, all ofthat stuff.
20, 25 years ago this becamevery obvious that what was going
on was politicized science.
Just select the people thatwill actually present data from
(04:44):
scientists to give itcredibility that this is
actually taking place and weneed to therefore become a third
world country so we don'tdestroy the ozone layer.
Okay, whatever, you go back tothe 1400s.
Now.
Third point, under the danger ofsetting up false categories of
thinking, the starting pointtake every thought captive to
(05:07):
christ.
Christ is the creator and thecreature in one person.
That's hypostatic union.
So this is fundamental to rightthinking.
Okay, you don't see it yet,that's okay, we're going to get
there.
The image of god is the setupfor all this.
What do I mean by that?
The image of God is only onecreature in the entire universe
(05:29):
is made in the image of God, andit's not angels, it's not
animals, it's you, it's you.
Now I understand thattheologically, a lot of people
say well, it's a spiritualaspect of man is made in the
image of God because God doesn'thave a body.
So our physical bodies areunrelated to the image of God.
(05:51):
This is essentially the way theargument's gone.
And if you think it is, thenmaybe you're a Mormon or
something, because in Mormonism,of course, god is a physical
being.
Now I's not.
I'm going to say that the humanbody, the human form, is not
just an afterthought, but thatit is actually made in the image
of God.
But what I mean by that is thisIf God were to incarnate
(06:14):
himself, it would be in thehuman form.
In other words, when Godcreated Adam, who did he have in
mind?
Jesus christ?
That is why our form hasupright standing, two arms, two
(06:35):
legs, opposable thumbs, eyes,nose, ears, what what we have?
And then when we read the bible,right, right, and we see God
saying things like at the Exodus, my mighty arm delivered you.
Or with an outstretched arm, wedon't say, well, that means God
(06:57):
has an arm, he has a physicalarm up there.
No, but we know theoutstretched arm is what we use
to deliver with.
It's a powerful instrument.
And so we make a connectionbetween the physical appendage
that we have right and somethingin God, his power.
(07:18):
And if we didn't have thatconnection, we wouldn't know
what it was talking about.
If we didn't have anoutstretched arm, what would
that mean?
You couldn't know anythingabout God.
So we are constructed in Hisimage, to reveal even in our
physical selves who he is, andeverything that we have is that
(07:39):
way.
When the Scriptures say thatGod looked down and he saw what
man was doing.
You know eyeballs, right?
If we didn't have eyeballs,what would that mean?
That sentence wouldn't meananything to us because we would
have no contact point with sight.
But it does convey something tous about god.
(07:59):
It means that god is interestedin what's going on in the
creation and he's observing itwithout physical eyes, of course
.
So this is the setup for allthis.
Now here's what happened.
The Lord Jesus Christ comesinto the world.
Okay, he's material andimmaterial.
He has a true human body.
He's got a true human spirit.
He's a human soul, right?
(08:21):
So you've got material andimmaterial in one person.
I mean, just like you, right,you're material and immaterial
in one person.
The Greeks could never get thistogether.
That's why almost all Greekphilosophy, it's always
dualistic.
You've got to keep materialaway from immaterial.
(08:41):
You can never get thesetogether.
Okay, in Greek thought, becausethey basically said that if
anything's material, it'sinherently evil, intrinsically
evil, and the Spirit, that'stotally good.
So they said you can never getthese together.
It was a dualism.
But didn't you have JesusChrist?
Material and immaterialtogether?
(09:03):
And it wasn't intrinsicallyevil, but he was in fact
intrinsically good.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Thank you for joining us on Beyond the Walls with
Jeremy Thomas.
If you would like to see thevisuals that went along with
today's sermon, you can findthose on Rumble and on YouTube
under Spokane Bible Church.
That is where Jeremy is thepastor and teacher.
We hope you found today'slesson productive and useful in
(09:30):
growing closer to God andwalking more obediently with Him
.
If you found this podcast to beuseful and helpful, then please
consider rating us in yourfavorite podcast app, and until
next time, we hope you have ablessed and wonderful day.
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