NT Framework - Science! Not.

Science is the source of all factual knowledge and truth. If you believe this statement, you have been deceived. Science has some insights on the natural world but it is not the source of truth.

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Jeremy Thomas is the pastor at Spokane Bible Church in Spokane, Washington and a professor at Chafer Theological Seminary. He has been teaching the Bible for over 20 years, always seeking to present its truths in a clear and understandable manner.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Beyond the Walls with Jeremy Thomas and
our series on the New TestamentFramework.
Today a smaller, bite-sizedpiece from the larger lesson.
We hope you enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
That's because Burkauer is trying to stay in
step with his academics.
You know, peers of the time See, the rule in academics is
publish or perish, right.
And so in academics there's alot of peer pressure to go along
with the status quo, whateverthe reigning theories of the day
are.
Burkauer was in many casesorthodox, but when it came to

(00:35):
the scripture itself, he wasgiving away ground to his
liberal peers who didn't believethe Bible was God's work for
even a second Okay.
And so he made this statementto appease academics.
And then, by the way, once it'sin academia, where the pastors

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are trained, where do you thinkit's going to be next?
It's going to be in the pulpitswhere those pastors preach,
just as Ken told us 1980,presbyterian Church right over
there in Portland.
Not even believing that, isaiahwrote.
Isaiah Believing Jesus made anerror.
A lot of stuff here.

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But let's get into how this allgot started.
Here's our doctrinal saying,which I kind of want to amend a
little bit.
We believe the scriptures ofthe Old and New Testaments to be
God-breathed, plenary, verbaland errant In the original
writings.
They are supreme authority infaith and life.
Okay, but what about allmatters upon which it touches

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Now?
Is it true with respect toscientific and historic details?
I want to toss that in thereand I'll show you why in a
little bit, as we look at theChicago Statement on Inerrancy
from 1978.
Most of the church doesn'trealize this language has crept
in to distinguish faith andmorals from history and science.

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They just we're kind of late inthe game.
Robert Thomas wasn't late intothe game, he said the ascendancy
of Francis Bacon's thinking.
Now, you know this guy right.
Francis Bacon, 1600s, early1600s.
If you don't, he's a very he'swhat I call a key idea man.

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A key idea man.
You want to know the key ideaman.
You want to understand whatthey thought, because what they
thought has influenced how youthink.
You say you can't say that ohyes, I can, I just did Okay.

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You say you can't say that, ohyes, I can, I just did okay.
I'm very confident thateverybody in this room has been
influenced very heavily by thekey idea of men in history.
Uh, when I was in seminary wehad to read a book called seven
men who ruled the world, whoruled the world from the grave,
by david greece, and he justgoes through seven individuals
Karl Marx, you know, maslow,freud, and in all there's seven.

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Darwin.
These men, he's saying, are themost influential idea of people
in the history of the humanrace, and their ideas are
everywhere.
You can hear them all day long.
If you are aware of what theseseven men taught, you can be in
a conversation with anybody andsay that's Karl Marx, that's

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Maslow, you, you can hear it andyou're like how can this
possibly be?
Because, well, these ideas arepowerful, and he's talking about
the ideas of Francis Bacon.
He said the ascendancy ofFrancis Bacon's thinking
pictured Scripture as infalliblein matters of only faith and

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practice, but not science andhistory.
Bacon cleared the way for thehistorical critical view that
the Bible is infallible only inspiritual matters but does not
speak inerrantly on historicaland or scientific matters.
Instead of scripture serving asa guide to science, scientific

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interpretations became theexclusive avenue to all truth
and they stand in judgment onscripture.
So what I'm doing now is I'mjust backing up and I'm saying
how did all this get into thechurch?
How did it get to the pointwhere in Christianity we have
many Christians who are totallyopen to and totally embrace

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evolutionary theory and then, onthe other hand, the league of
monogamous marriage between oneman and one woman.
How can you have this?
Well, this is the first bigstep in the direction, the
ascendancy of Bacon's thinking.
In 1620, he published the bookNovem Organum.

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In this work he claimed thatall knowledge guess these words
all know.
Is that an absolute yes,absolutely.
All, every, always Allknowledge is gained exclusively

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through experience andexperience.
This is the philosophy ofinductivism and it's at the
heart of the scientific method.
Of course, I was trained inscience.
That's what I did After I gotmy degrees five years in plant
physiology.
I hope I understand Baconbecause he was taught in our

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courses, our biology courses atleast.
This was the stepping off point.
What had happened, by the way,just before 1600?
What happened in the 1500s?
What is the big story in Europe?
Okay, the Reformation, theReformation Interesting.

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Here we have.
The Reformation was essentiallya back to the Bible movement.
Essentially, that's what it wasAn interest in the Bible.
How long did Satan let thatlast?
Not very long, because thisnext century was a century that

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said oh no, no, no, you can'tget knowledge from the Bible.
You have to get it throughexperience and experiment, which
is what led to what we call thescientific method, scientific
method, so that now allknowledge is exclusively held by
who?
Science Science?
In fact, that comes from theLatin scientia right, which

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means to know, or not right,science to know.
So this is very common in oursociety, that people think that
the Bible is where you exercisefaith, but science is where you
get known.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
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