EP 035: Part 2 - National Security through Better Dialogue, with Safehouse.Global founder Jeff Carr

Jeffrey Carr has been an internationally-known cybersecurity adviser, author, and researcher since 2006. He invented REDACT, the world’s first global R&D database and search engine to assist companies in identifying which intellectual property is of value to foreign governments. He is the founder and organizer of Suits & Spooks (now Safe House Global), a “collision” event to discuss hard challenges in the national security space. | Jeffrey has contracted with the CIA’s Open Source Center’s Eurasia Desk as a Russia SME (2010), and has provided cyber intelligence briefings to the DIA, the FBI, and the Chief of Naval Operations Strategic Study Group. He has been a frequent lecturer at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology and the U.S. Army War College, and was a technical peer reviewer for Tallinn 2.0, the second edition of the Tallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable To Cyber Operations.

- The first S&S gathering, ten years ago, was based on the concern that social media was becoming a dangerous tool for disinformation...how right that was | - With September's event we're focusing on Ukraine's defense against the Russian invasion | - Gazprom, the Russian oil company, has had at least three unexplained explosions in recent months...this is a perfect example of "multi-modal warfare" | - Adversaries no longer require physical access to damage the enemy's resources | - "Robot surgery" has caused many more injuries and deaths than the medical industry is talking about...what if these basic malfunctions could be weaponized?

00:34 We have an interesting balancing, you know, there's checks and balances baked into the system of liberty, freedom, freedom of capitalism or freedom or controls in a capitalized a capitalistic controlled system like you're describing, the Soviets discovered that central control is extremely cumbersome, but effective control. And in the end, you know, they collapse from the weight of trying to control everything.

4:07 The US doesn't have a choice anymore, and hasn't had a choice for a number of years, where it must go outside of his borders, to hire talent.

5:04 We have not emphasized science and math, in our educational system here, and other countries have. So we're relying on those individuals with those skills from outside of the US. Same with getting the necessary components, right to supply our, our products, or having even having products made overseas, that for whatever reason, you know, we can't afford the labor or we can't afford some other aspect of it.

10:26 There are costs to that distrust, massive costs downstream, we're going to find we're finding already, no man is an island. This is fundamentally the same as interpersonal relationships.

19:41 Your news feed should have a mix of points of view. So that it gets you to think well, how can two things be true? Well, probably it cannot. So how do you discern what's real and what isn't? And because in that happens when you have a variety of points To view, on the other hand, social media does not do that it does the exact opposite.

25:06 I think it has to come down to individuals making informed choices about what they do and why they do it. And what the repercussions are if they don't do it. And then hopefully they'll, you know, make the right choice.

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